"Recycle Server" please sooner than "months into velious"!!

[Ivory]

Can you please please add the recycle blue server before velious comes out?

You are going to advance it at a slow rate anyway.... so why wait months into velious?

Lots of us have been dying to start on a fresh server, but now knowing it is coming 4+ months away just kills any desire to play normal blue.

[wormed]

Can you please please add the recycle blue server before velious comes out?

You are going to advance it at a slow rate anyway.... so why wait months into velious?

Lots of us have been dying to start on a fresh server, but now knowing it is coming 4+ months away just kills any desire to play normal blue.

I'm pretty sure they said once they're very deep into Velious. 4 months, where'd you pick that up? Sounds like they'll release Velious and I wouldn't expect something like the Recycle server until next year, at least.

[cornisthebest]

there's also lots of us who dread a server wipe.

[Ivory]

there's also lots of us who dread a server wipe.

It isn't a server wipe. They are opening a 2nd blue server starting before velious and progressing normally. Then after velious is out a while, they merge it with the normal blue server and start it again.

[EQJubilee]

They said that they will launch another blue server deeper into Velious. I'm not sure if this is a pure blue server or they were referring to the recycle blue server they had mentioned earlier in the stream.

I think they don't want to mess with anything until Velious is launched and they are sure it's working fine. But I'm all for a second Blue server, or the recycle blue server.

The recycle server will have a lifespan of several years anyway, plenty of time to accomplish everything you want in game.

Also there won't be a server wipe, the blue toons on a recycle server will be moved over to the static blue server on a wipe....no mention of how they will handle duplicate toon names, however.

[Rec]

Can't destroy the live progression server if they launch it now

[TrendyDru]

I didn't catch the stream. Please explain the difference between a new blue server, a wiped server, and a "recycled" server?

[Rekrul]

was hoping they'd do more content instead of deciding velious forever

[Malsirian]

I didn't catch the stream. Please explain the difference between a new blue server, a wiped server, and a "recycled" server?

First of all Nilbog (I believe. One of the devs anyway) confirmed that they will NEVER wipe the existing servers. Unless it's been specifically stated before hand that there will someday be a wipe (i.e., the Discord Server) there will not be a wipe. So, all characters on blue and red will always be there.

The recycled server they are talking about is a brand new progression server starting with original EQ, then Kunark and eventually Velious all released at similar intervals of time as they were originally. Sometime, waaaaay down the road, once Velious has been out a while, the characters on that new progression server would be transferred onto the original blue server and they would launch another fresh server again starting at original EQ. Starting the whole cycle over again. Currently the only time frame expectation they gave us for that progression server is "well into Velious" - that could mean anything. I'm not expecting it anytime soon. :( Would donations specifically for a progression server help? :)


FWIW, I'm all for it! I would love to start on a brand new server and work through the expansions. So, put down another vote to launch that asap.

[Rekrul]

I would love to start on a brand new server and work through the expansions. So, put down another vote to launch that asap.

Same here, but for red. Even if there is only 50 of us playing classic it will still be more fun and more pvp then the current red.

[Malsirian]

but now knowing it is coming...... just kills any desire to play normal blue.

I have to (somewhat) agree with this. Harder to invest a lot of time into a character I know I'll abandon once the progression server launches. I'd much rather be spending time on a character I know will be around a while.

[Cecily]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

[Ivory]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

Blue is already insane economy :P TONS of money floating around, tons of every item, all people do is camp and have epicced out twinks.

The progression server will take like 3 years till it finally merges with blue. The only thing it will do is maybe have one or two new guilds looking to raid things.

[Rec]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

goes on forever, that doesn't sound very classic everquest

[Malsirian]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

At this point what does it matter if more high level characters are added to the current blue server a few years from now? Would it make a difference at all? I don't really think so.

More players (new and old) would benefit from a healthy new server than would be hurt by an influx of higher level players years from now on the current server. (In my opinion) :)

[Rekrul]

At this point what does it matter if more high level characters are added to the current blue server a few years from now? Would it make a difference at all? I don't really think so.

More players (new and old) would benefit from a healthy new server than would be hurt by an influx of higher level players years from now on the current server. (In my opinion) :)

It would hurt if there is a distinct difference in the community of the new server, bc eventually that will be scrapped when they're forced to merge with the shitfest that is current blue.

[Malsirian]

It would hurt if there is a distinct difference in the community of the new server, bc eventually that will be scrapped when they're forced to merge with the shitfest that is current blue.

I don't have the experience so I can't speak to the blue community currently being a shitfest. But, yes, if that's the case that would definitely suck. I would hope the majority of the good community would just reroll on the following progression server. :)

[Rekrul]

I don't have the experience so I can't speak to the blue community currently being a shitfest. But, yes, if that's the case that would definitely suck. I would hope the majority of the good community would just reroll on the following progression server. :)

I wonder if they will allow you to play both blue servers at the same time, like how you can play both blue and red. That will be a big factor imo

[Malsirian]

I wonder if they will allow you to play both blue servers at the same time, like how you can play both blue and red. That will be a big factor imo

Yes! They specifically said that would be ok.

[iruinedyourday]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

well you have to think about a couple of things, first the progression server will only dump into blue every 3+ years...

2. everyone from blue will be playing this progression server, and over the course of like 3 cyles 9 or so years from now, all of blue, will be more like the plane of knowledge.. where you go to retire your fave characters.. or just hunt and kill things and raid with friends..

a plane of knowledge that is awesome, instead of stupid and not classic and from an exapnsion i dont care about with models that look like crap.

[HalflingWarrior]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

Seriously? Your guild is the #1 reason the servr is so unhealthy. No new guild can possibly hope to even compete when you've been farming VP for EIGHT TIMES longer than classic; your guild banks has tens of millions of platinum etc etc.

Nothing about p99 is remotely "classic" at this point. Four years of kunark being farmed by a single guild is what ruined the server which is clearly obvious.

[Vexr]

This 'recycle' server idea is basically "Seasons" in Diablo 3 or Path of Exile. Just really slow to suit the culture of Everquest. I like it.

[Ivory]

I'm actually more excited for this new server than I am for velious (and a lot of people i've talked to seem the same way). Heck, tons of people are willing to hop to this new server...where KUNARK won't even be for a YEAR (and velious 2 more years away!).

On an old server...even if you start a new character...you already know grouping is going to be a bit harder, and people in your group are going to be twinked...so you twink also.

Then, since your character has all the equipment they could need till at least 50....all that is left is the exp grind. And you do it as fast as you can so you can "catch up" to people you know and start raiding again.

Sure, you "could" go untwinked and try getting all the equipment piece by piece on your own. But there is no real sense of accomplishment, because everyone else is walking around in way better and you could get way better for 10pp in commons or just go clear the camp yourself in a minute with your "real character".

A new server makes people NEED each other again. It makes all of the content in the game relevant again. And it makes just doing something as simple as getting your first piece of bronze feel like a huge thing.

[Donruss]

I have dreamed of playing classic Classic eq. Lol a lot of mithril 2h swords have to hit naggy for him to die I would imagine

[JayN]

how 2 do recyclin?

[pharmakos]

Seriously? Your guild is the #1 reason the servr is so unhealthy. No new guild can possibly hope to even compete when you've been farming VP for EIGHT TIMES longer than classic; your guild banks has tens of millions of platinum etc etc.

Nothing about p99 is remotely "classic" at this point. Four years of kunark being farmed by a single guild is what ruined the server which is clearly obvious.

TMO is a symptom, not a disease.

[Lev_Mer]

http://i.imgur.com/Z7NaTbI.png

REVISED
http://i.imgur.com/1lJ89IA.png

[iruinedyourday]

I'm actually more excited for this new server than I am for velious (and a lot of people i've talked to seem the same way). Heck, tons of people are willing to hop to this new server...where KUNARK won't even be for a YEAR (and velious 2 more years away!).

On an old server...even if you start a new character...you already know grouping is going to be a bit harder, and people in your group are going to be twinked...so you twink also.

Then, since your character has all the equipment they could need till at least 50....all that is left is the exp grind. And you do it as fast as you can so you can "catch up" to people you know and start raiding again.

Sure, you "could" go untwinked and try getting all the equipment piece by piece on your own. But there is no real sense of accomplishment, because everyone else is walking around in way better and you could get way better for 10pp in commons or just go clear the camp yourself in a minute with your "real character".

A new server makes people NEED each other again. It makes all of the content in the game relevant again. And it makes just doing something as simple as getting your first piece of bronze feel like a huge thing.

Yea its gonna be a blast, and the gift that keeps on giving.

Well all be old geezers reaplying eq over and over and over agian.. I am 100% down w/ that.

[Ravager]

Hope it's sooner than later.

[Cecily]

Seriously? Your guild is the #1 reason the servr is so unhealthy. No new guild can possibly hope to even compete when you've been farming VP for EIGHT TIMES longer than classic; your guild banks has tens of millions of platinum etc etc.

Nothing about p99 is remotely "classic" at this point. Four years of kunark being farmed by a single guild is what ruined the server which is clearly obvious.

I'm getting extremely tired of people like yourself reading my guild tag instead of my posts. Maybe the pretty colors distract you and you can't focus on the big words.

[Daldaen]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

What is bad? Are you concerned about legacy items? Or two servers with two sets of dragons dropping loot that will eventually merge in?

That temporary server would run for 2.75 years, from March 99 to December 01, then merge in. It would follow the proper timeline... Then merge into our current server which would be another 3-4 years into Velious at that point.

[Cecily]

Among other things, yes. I think blue server is currently an overcrowded train wreck due to a 90% level 60 population (and their alts with alts) which itself is a result of a stagnant Kunark timeline. Adding additional guilds worth of more maxed level raiders to blue isn't going to help anything. A minor concern next to a potentially healthy new community getting sent back to this dysfunctional server.

[Agecroft]

Cant wait!

[Monty405]

I am way more excited about this server rotation thing. I hope the devs realize how excited the community actually is about it. I am pretty new to p1999 (2 months now) and being able to go from 1-60 with other people in the same boat as me would be great. Not to mention I never experienced pre-Kunark EQ ever before!

[Daldaen]

Among other things, yes. I think blue server is currently an overcrowded train wreck due to a 90% level 60 population (and their alts with alts) which itself is a result of a stagnant Kunark timeline. Adding additional guilds worth of more maxed level raiders to blue isn't going to help anything. A minor concern next to a potentially healthy new community getting sent back to this dysfunctional server.

You're being too short sighted.

You have no idea what the server will look like in 3 years. I'm sure there will be a ton of 60s, but who knows how many from the recycle will stick around or who will reroll on recycle 2.0.

That new community would get stagnated after it completes its lifecycle if kept in perpetual Velious just like we were in perpetual Kunark. It would lead to ridiculous numbers of 60s with Max gear. So that part is inevitable. Just merging them into the existing blue server 3 years down the line isn't trhe end of the world. It may even refill a population that may have quit after 3 years of Velious when they know there is no new content and nothing new to do.

[fastboy21]

You do realize that the eventual "dump" of characters from the new blue server (I like calling it "Re99") into the p99 original server would be about 4 years away from now?

Is the concern:
1) that the re99 population will siphon people from p99?

Or, is the concern

2) that folks will get moved (in four years...) into your play pen and upset you because you already have a hard time sharing with the other kids?

Concern 1 is very valid. Trying to predict the population on emu server years down the line is anybody's best guess. It is certainly possible and likely imo that a significant number of players on p99 would leave p99 to play on re99. I don't think it would injure the stability of the server and in the long run it will add fresh air and life back into a static server post-velious release.

Also, it should be noted that the devs basically said that folks would be allowed to play on both p99 and re99 at the same time on the same account, as p99ers can do on red currently.

Concern 2 is just EQ baby bull crap. Maybe four years from now you will have grown up enough for this sort of thing not to bother you.

[Cecily]

I am just in favor of a fresh start server that won't be subjected to joining blue99 ever. Blue99 is essentially a beta for this project. The conditions that developed during this never ending Kunark (a very boring expansion to be stuck in) aren't necessarily doomed to repeat themselves or even likely to, at least not for a very long time. I don't like how this server turned out. I have big hopes for the future progression server and no interest in returning to blue. Sorry if that sounds childish?

[Duncon]

Nothing to be immediately concerned about of course, but what happens to your 8 p99 toons when your 8 re99 toons get dumped into p99? I suppose separate accounts is a must.

[fastboy21]

I am just in favor of a fresh start server that won't be subjected to joining blue99 ever. Blue99 is essentially a beta for this project. The conditions that developed during this never ending Kunark (a very boring expansion to be stuck in) aren't necessarily doomed to repeat themselves or even likely to, at least not for a very long time. I don't like how this server turned out. I have big hopes for the future progression server and no interest in returning to blue. Sorry if that sounds childish?

There is nothing childish about it.

This is good thinking, and I agree with you. The problem is that the solution (wiping the server) has been explicitly taken off the table by the owners of p99. Holding to it as a solution is honest, but if its not a possibility it is a pragmatic waste basket to keep asking for it as a solution.

So, what is the next best thing? The recycle idea, in practice, will allow players to vote with their feet (is your "main" going to be p99 or re99?). In the end, I think most will go to re99...effectively this will make p99 a ghost town with the vibrant community living on the recycle server. This is almost as good, and in practice very similar to, as a wipe.

I do wish that the re99 server was in the works already. It could have saved the server from five years of static kunark. I also hope they don't hold it for too long into velious...

[fastboy21]

Nothing to be immediately concerned about of course, but what happens to your 8 p99 toons when your 8 re99 toons get dumped into p99? I suppose separate accounts is a must.

I don't know if its a limitation of the client, but I've always wondered why they limit the max chars per account at all here. It is only very confusing for players to keep multiple accounts and allows them the possibility of running scams, etc.

I've always thought it would be a good idea to have all chars on one account rather than encourage folks to make multiple accounts.

[Kileras]

Among other things, yes. I think blue server is currently an overcrowded train wreck due to a 90% level 60 population (and their alts with alts) which itself is a result of a stagnant Kunark timeline. Adding additional guilds worth of more maxed level raiders to blue isn't going to help anything. A minor concern next to a potentially healthy new community getting sent back to this dysfunctional server.

I played a lot of PoE before switching over to p99, and this new p99 system feels a lot like the season system in PoE.

In a way, the system sounds really great but there are definitely some concerns in my opinion. First off, you basically will seperate the casuals from the hardcores, the casuals will not want to go through with all the level grinding all over again and starting at 0, while the hardcores relish the opportunity. This means that the casuals will finally have a chance at raiding because most of the big guilds that dominate the raid scene will be over on the re99 rather than blue99.

The issue here is that when the recycle happens, we will be back to poopsock crazyness of big name guilds muscling their way in with playtime and dominating the scene again. So what happens then? another re99 server immediately after the last one? the merging and dissolution of the player base (granted we are talking every 3 years) seems like potential headache. but its friggen 3 years after, who knows what will happen. A fresh server is good regardless so we should just go with it.

the worst case scenario in my book, and what i think is the most likely to happen, is that the people who want more pixels are going to poopsock both servers. we are talking being logged into both servers at once making sure that your guild is dominating the rotation/getting as many pixels as possible on both servers. Would the recycle server actually open up trak/etc... for the casuals on blue? i don't know, i doubt it....considering how hard the poopsocking is right now i highly doubt big guilds are going to just stop doing it on blue99 once they role re99.

[Ravager]

Among other things, yes. I think blue server is currently an overcrowded train wreck due to a 90% level 60 population (and their alts with alts) which itself is a result of a stagnant Kunark timeline. Adding additional guilds worth of more maxed level raiders to blue isn't going to help anything. A minor concern next to a potentially healthy new community getting sent back to this dysfunctional server.

Like you say, it's already a wreck. It's not going to get any better. It'll only continue to get worse on its own as more and more people get to 60. What difference does it make if they get 60 and gear on this server or that, other than they'll have fun on a fresh server and bring in more legacy items?

This is only a bad thing for the minority of the population that feel the need to monopolize content. The majority will have the chance to relive EQ at its best, which is the whole point of the server.

This also solves the problem of pissing people off when the Sleeper is awoken right away.

[rollin5k]

For all the people complaining wtf. Its a great idea and an improvement on what we have (staleness and bloat)
Im casual AF and will jump on the chance at a fresh start a thousand times over. Even if it's not PvP.
Bless the makers

[Kileras]

Like you say, it's already a wreck. It's not going to get any better. It'll only continue to get worse on its own as more and more people get to 60. What difference does it make if they get 60 and gear on this server or that, other than they'll have fun on a fresh server and bring in more legacy items?

This is only a bad thing for the minority of the population that feel the need to monopolize content. The majority will have the chance to relive EQ at its best, which is the whole point of the server.

This also solves the problem of pissing people off when the Sleeper is awoken right away.

Considering how many lowbies there will be, and how hardcore the neckbeards are going to dominate all of the classic leveling zones/nostalgia dungeon crawls/items.... I don't know if it is a fair assumption to say that people will finally have the chance to relive EQ at its best. Maybe 3-4 months into the new re99 server though, there is a chance.

[salimoneus]

Seriously? Your guild is the #1 reason the servr is so unhealthy. No new guild can possibly hope to even compete when you've been farming VP for EIGHT TIMES longer than classic; your guild banks has tens of millions of platinum etc etc.

Nothing about p99 is remotely "classic" at this point. Four years of kunark being farmed by a single guild is what ruined the server which is clearly obvious.

It's not entirely fair to toss one guild under the buss, it's definitely more an issue of having the time to amass such a force. If food is provided people are going to eat.

I'd say try to focus attention on the new "recycle" server and look forward to a more classic Initial Release -> Velious experience, and let the "bad guys" work out all the Velious bugs in the meantime :)

[Ele]

Adding few more rez staves, thex daggers, mistwalkers, and manastones to an already over inflated and (then) 3+ year stagnant content server does what harm?

The people being rolled into blue will be at a significant platinum disadvantage to the 8+ years of plat hording that blue will have achieved by then.

[Ravager]

Considering how many lowbies there will be, and how hardcore the neckbeards are going to dominate all of the classic leveling zones/nostalgia dungeon crawls/items.... I don't know if it is a fair assumption to say that people will finally have the chance to relive EQ at its best. Maybe 3-4 months into the new re99 server though, there is a chance.

There's always the chance, not to mention it's a social game, no matter what the neckbeards do, people will have the opportunity to group in Cazic-Thule for Rubicite, group in Guk for a Guise if they're persistent and social enough. Not everyone is a neckbeard, no, but many people who play this game go neckbeardy enough from time to time when they're focused on getting something.

[kaev]

I wonder if they will allow you to play both blue servers at the same time, like how you can play both blue and red. That will be a big factor imoYes! They specifically said that would be ok.

So it's utterly pointless then. The same handful of dudes are gonna be afk monopolizing the key cash camps on both servers at once, the same handful of dudes are gonna be PLing accounts and RMT'ing pre-built toons to shitlords on both servers at once. No doubt Platlord is rubbing his hands in glee at the prospects for still more sub-minimum wage shenanigans even now. :sadface:

[Loke]

I dont think anyone is really against a new server, just against the idea of people pushing for it so quickly when there are a ton of us on thjs server that have literally been waiting for years on velious. Let us get velious, give them a few months to tweak and correct any errors, then lets talk about another server. We have a limited staff on this server and I for one think the vast majority of their focus should be on the accurate and smooth introduction of velious, not some new server so people who joined p99 in the past year can feel like theyre starting on a level playing field.

Patience is a virtue, the fact theyre even offering a second server is a gift itself, now sit down and wait patiently like the rest of us.

[Kileras]

I dont think anyone is really against a new server, just against the idea of people pushing for it so quickly when there are a ton of us on thjs server that have literally been waiting for years on velious. Let us get velious, give them a few months to tweak and correct any errors, then lets talk about another server. We have a limited staff on this server and I for one think the vast majority of their focus should be on the accurate and smooth introduction of velious, not some new server so people who joined p99 in the past year can feel like theyre starting on a level playing field.

Patience is a virtue, the fact theyre even offering a second server is a gift itself, now sit down and wait patiently like the rest of us.

this is basically what they are doing... they made it very clear that they weren't doing any recycle servers until "well into velious", which probably means a lot longer than anyone else is thinking.

[Doctor Jeff]

I didn't catch the stream. Please explain the difference between a new blue server, a wiped server, and a "recycled" server?
Okay, you didn't watch the stream but did you read the thread you posted in?


It isn't a server wipe. They are opening a 2nd blue server starting before velious and progressing normally. Then after velious is out a while, they merge it with the normal blue server and start it again.

[Duncon]

So it's utterly pointless then. The same handful of dudes are gonna be afk monopolizing the key cash camps on both servers at once, the same handful of dudes are gonna be PLing accounts and RMT'ing pre-built toons to shitlords on both servers at once. No doubt Platlord is rubbing his hands in glee at the prospects for still more sub-minimum wage shenanigans even now. :sadface:

This makes me sad as well. Would like to see people have to make a choice. Maybe its just to hard to police.

[Cookiefist]

Very excited about recycled blue server.

Not caring much about the velious release even with my 5 characters on p99.

Having more fun playing on the TAKP server.

[Culkasi]

the worst case scenario in my book, and what i think is the most likely to happen, is that the people who want more pixels are going to poopsock both servers. we are talking being logged into both servers at once making sure that your guild is dominating the rotation/getting as many pixels as possible on both servers. Would the recycle server actually open up trak/etc... for the casuals on blue? i don't know, i doubt it....considering how hard the poopsocking is right now i highly doubt big guilds are going to just stop doing it on blue99 once they role re99.

I love the recycle idea, but this is also my biggest concern. There are a few very hardcore guilds who'll just dominate both servers at the same time if allowed.

[Grizzler]

I look forward to the re99 although I will say I wish they could put out re99 when they put out velious. I realize there are constraints with staff and money although on a vmware cluster, it ain't hard to setup a new server, just saying..(Systems admin during the day)

The reason I say I wish they could put it out at the same time would be to allow the folks who are newer or not part of end game currently on blue the ability to start with vanilla while all the raiding guilds and what not work on velious. I realize it probably wouldn't work out that way and they would go to re99 too just to try and control that server as well but it would be nice to separate the casual folks that would like to raid and never get a chance from the folks that prioritize EQ in their lives and raid constantly and have been on the vanilla/kunark content for years..

[salimoneus]

I love the recycle idea, but this is also my biggest concern. There are a few very hardcore guilds who'll just dominate both servers at the same time if allowed.

I don't see why they couldn't disallow boxing between both blue servers. It's not like we're talking about a drastically different game as you have with red/blue, or any two random eqemu servers. Both blues intend to provide the same classic experience, running the same code, run by the same folks, so no need for boxing between them, just pick one and play.

[Asher]

I was so happy to hear about Re99. I know people, myself included had been asking for this type of server for many years. I have been away for a long time due to the bloat that has accumulated on the current server. It will be nice to start from scratch without all the bugs that plagued the server from its inception. I look forward to playing with you all again when it comes out.

/hugs Taken ~ I hope my account and gear have helped you all out.

Asher - Oracle

[Ivory]

I dont think anyone is really against a new server, just against the idea of people pushing for it so quickly when there are a ton of us on thjs server that have literally been waiting for years on velious. Let us get velious, give them a few months to tweak and correct any errors, then lets talk about another server. We have a limited staff on this server and I for one think the vast majority of their focus should be on the accurate and smooth introduction of velious, not some new server so people who joined p99 in the past year can feel like theyre starting on a level playing field.

Patience is a virtue, the fact theyre even offering a second server is a gift itself, now sit down and wait patiently like the rest of us.

What is the big deal? If they have the backups from earlier builds (before they added kunark), it is really just a copy/paste job.

This new server will be out for a year before they need to worry about kunark (again, just a copy/paste of our current server build).

They aren't doing new stuff, they are just putting up an older build on its own server.

Velious was a massive undertaking that took them a long time to do. Starting up a new server with an old build isn't the same thing at all (especially since they have already been through it once).

It is obvious the demand for a new server is GIANT. Way more than people who are waiting for velious.

Don't get me wrong, velious is cool (ha ha)....but people are here to play classic everquest and get the real experience...all velious does is add some extra end game raiding and pixel hunting to an already bloated server (not what a lot of people are here for). It isn't even classic everquest since the timeline is SO extreme on the existing server (stuck in kunark for YEARS??).

When velious goes live, all people will be doing is taking their level 60s to farm faction and farm gear ....and try to do some raiding. It isn't even going to be like real velious with people grouping and crawling through dungeons. Everyone will just bring out their max characters to farm the drops.

[clellaen]

please start a crowdsourcing effort or whatever it is you need to start a fresh Blue server ASAP and angels will sing.

Is there an official statement as to why we can't open another blue server asap? It's obvious to everyone (and everyone wants to play) that blue really is hard to deal with due to the population...

[Ivory]

It's obvious to everyone (and everyone wants to play) that blue really is hard to deal with due to the population...

And that bloated population...ALL coming back JUST for velious....it will ruin the release if they don't open another server before / at the same time.

If they don't, everyone is going to rush into velious on day 1 and the main loot places will be crowded like crazy.

Get ready for more of this.....

http://i.imgur.com/cRqZezT.jpg

[clellaen]

I agree.

The attraction to blue is the lack of boxing for me personally. That's the upside over the Live prog servers, but the team here at p1999 needs to help this community out. Do you guys want money from us to expedite the pressure relief? I'm just confused why they would put this off with such a high demand.

[Grizzler]

please start a crowdsourcing effort or whatever it is you need to start a fresh Blue server ASAP and angels will sing.

Is there an official statement as to why we can't open another blue server asap? It's obvious to everyone (and everyone wants to play) that blue really is hard to deal with due to the population...

I think the question is, if they put out the new re99 server, won't most of the blue population, including raiders/neckbeards/large guilds whatever you wanna call them, join it too?

It's not like suddenly the servers will split the population. It will be most likely:

1.) Log on max toon on blue
2.) check faction/gear/quest camps
3.) If camp = open or raid = on then camp/raid else
a.) Log off blue
4.) Log on re99
5.) check camps
6.)If camp = open then camp else
a.) log off re99
7.)Return to 1

Never ending circle of blue losing most population unless specific raid or camp is ongoing otherwise everyone is on re99 and same issue over time. Not to mention if they do allow being logged on both servers at the same time, doesn't even matter then. The big guilds will be dual boxing on different servers and still make the same problem.

[Cecily]

Play multiple EQ servers gets old very quickly. If I'm on red, I have no desire to play blue and vice versa.

[clellaen]

Grizzler you are correct, but there needs to be a solution. I think the solution you discredit will do MUCH more to alleviate the pressure than you think...it can only help, correct? Is there another option for us who want to play but honestly can't?

[Asher]

I think it would be cool if they added some additional rules to the new server. I haven't completely thought this through but anything to reduce poopsocking, mudflation, asshat behaviour, and anything else that makes the mods lives hell would be great.

~ only a single toon allowed from a particular IP address
~ temporary lore and/or no drop on an item for X days after it is looted
~ Forced play nice policies with mobs calling who engaged them first (I think this has already been added)
~Get caught breaking the rules you are suspended, repeat offenders are perma-banned with no possibility of coming back.

Lets make this new server what p99 should have been.

Asher - Oracle

[loramin]

I think the question is, if they put out the new re99 server, won't most of the blue population, including raiders/neckbeards/large guilds whatever you wanna call them, join it too?

It's not like suddenly the servers will split the population.

Well sure some "neckbeards" will play the new server, but even so it the new server absolutely will split the population. You seem to forget: the recycle server won't have Velious. People here with multiple level 60s decked out in BiS gear who have waited years for Velious are not going to want to go play a level 10 in Blackburrow when they could be killing dragons and giants and Tunare and ...

[Donruss]

I have dreamed of playing classic Classic eq. Lol a lot of mithril 2h swords have to hit naggy for him to die I would imagine

[clellaen]

project1999 has the power to make the server(s) as great as humanly imaginable...

Maybe they just need some extra hands. Any volunteers? Lol

[Ezalor]

p99 in its current form should be treated as an extended beta test

classic/kunark content is pretty much 100% bug free at this point

they should release velious for 1-3 years, when it's 100% perfect, completely wipe the whole server

after that start the real p99 on a CLASSIC timeline with expansion released every few months as it was on live

[Asher]

project1999 has the power to make the server(s) as great as humanly imaginable...

Maybe they just need some extra hands. Any volunteers? Lol

I think they are more worried about p99 server tanking, which it will in my opinion. They still need people to test the various functions of Velious so Re99 will have a good working velious in a few years. :)

Asher - Oracle

[clellaen]

Tanking due to time (people burning out) or due to tech problems?

[Grizzler]

Grizzler you are correct, but there needs to be a solution. I think the solution you discredit will do MUCH more to alleviate the pressure than you think...it can only help, correct? Is there another option for us who want to play but honestly can't?

You could be absolutely correct. I mentioned more what I'm afraid of that the population won't be as split as some of us hope but as you say, it could be more split than what I am thinking too. Guess we will have to wait and see.

[Grizzler]

Well sure some "neckbeards" will play the new server, but even so it the new server absolutely will split the population. You seem to forget: the recycle server won't have Velious. People here with multiple level 60s decked out in BiS gear who have waited years for Velious are not going to want to go play a level 10 in Blackburrow when they could be killing dragons and giants and Tunare and ...

Your absolutely correct. However if the quantity of people that are at lvl cap and all decked out compared to how many camps/mobs that will be available from velious content, I would imagine they would fill up pretty quick. Not to mention some camps being perma-camped it would drive those folks waiting for stuff to the other server to do something while they wait for spots. Potentially making the population rather large.

*edit* - Making the re99 server having the same problem as blue just at the other end of the spectrum. To many lowbies and not enough camps. Large populations are great till you don't have enough camps per lvl range to satisfy everyone.

[clellaen]

p99 in its current form should be treated as an extended beta test

classic/kunark content is pretty much 100% bug free at this point

they should release velious for 1-3 years, when it's 100% perfect, completely wipe the whole server

after that start the real p99 on a CLASSIC timeline with expansion released every few months as it was on live

I could absolutely see this happening as well, and I would be just fine with it, although the patience (years) would be a great trial.

[dafier]

I just started P99 blue server a month or so ago. I can already tell it's over crowded and it's pointless for me to get 60 and play casual. UNLESS! I can make friends who will allow me to join a raid and get some items here and there.

All PP farming areas, are farmed, ALL low/mid and top level nameds are farmed for PP sales.....it's crap.

Starting another blue server would force 'neck beards' to play 1 or the other. Yes, force the 1 IP connection rule on both.....so if you are logged in to blue1, you can't log in to blue2 until you log off of blue1 first.

Yes, you are going to have top guilds or a top guild on either server. That is obvious, but player base will still be strong on both. And to HELP the initial economy, allow for an lottery. Any guild wishing to transfer will join a lottery system. If you win, your guild transfers.

That will greatly help the new economy out. Make BOTH servers Velious servers (Duplicate content). For new people to P99, allow a 1 time transfer of characters under XX(20???) level. This is NOT able to be reversed.

If you wish to boost numbers on the new server, add a temporary times 2 or 3 xp bonus gain for XX time frame for characters between level X and XX.

That would create a great player base on blue2 and blue1. Level out the player base. Also, you'll need to leave the option to transfer open for 1 week. That way new players can see if they really want to leave Blue1 because after a day or two you will get a HUGE feel of how many jumped ship to Blue2.

Any additions?

EDIT:

Reason I say both servers be Velious is due to I think MOST people, without a doubt, will want to play Velious. Why make one stay in Kunark where everyone who's been playing this game for a long time don't really want to play the same old content again, yet rule it. I believe that tactic would fail. Almost no one would stay in Kunark.

Even I, who just started would rather play Velious era content over just Kunark and classic.

[Ivory]

You could be absolutely correct. I mentioned more what I'm afraid of that the population won't be as split as some of us hope but as you say, it could be more split than what I am thinking too. Guess we will have to wait and see.

It wouldn't just split...a new server would bring back a LOOOOOTTTT of players.

There are a lot of people who are floating around but aren't playing much (because all there is on the main server is twinking or raiding).

[Ivory]

*edit* - Making the re99 server having the same problem as blue just at the other end of the spectrum. To many lowbies and not enough camps. Large populations are great till you don't have enough camps per lvl range to satisfy everyone.

That is part of the new server experience :P Day 1 on a new server is nuts haha. All the newbie areas are swamped....but it drives people into every corner of the new areas to find stuff to kill :D

People don't just stay in the yard in Qeynos on a new server, they invade the sewers or they run mail quests for exp haha.

[Asher]

Tanking due to time (people burning out) or due to tech problems?

I am sure some will stay with P99 but I am betting the population will drop off sharply when Re99 opens and will more than likely stay that way.


edit: Due to Re99 being more fun. Just my opinion.

Asher - Oracle

[Swish]

I just started P99 blue server a month or so ago. I can already tell it's over crowded and it's pointless for me to get 60 and play casual. UNLESS! I can make friends who will allow me to join a raid and get some items here and there.

All PP farming areas, are farmed, ALL low/mid and top level nameds are farmed for PP sales.....it's crap.

Starting another blue server would force 'neck beards' to play 1 or the other. Yes, force the 1 IP connection rule on both.....so if you are logged in to blue1, you can't log in to blue2 until you log off of blue1 first.

Yes, you are going to have top guilds or a top guild on either server. That is obvious, but player base will still be strong on both. And to HELP the initial economy, allow for an lottery. Any guild wishing to transfer will join a lottery system. If you win, your guild transfers.

That will greatly help the new economy out. Make BOTH servers Velious servers (Duplicate content). For new people to P99, allow a 1 time transfer of characters under XX(20???) level. This is NOT able to be reversed.

If you wish to boost numbers on the new server, add a temporary times 2 or 3 xp bonus gain for XX time frame for characters between level X and XX.

That would create a great player base on blue2 and blue1. Level out the player base. Also, you'll need to leave the option to transfer open for 1 week. That way new players can see if they really want to leave Blue1 because after a day or two you will get a HUGE feel of how many jumped ship to Blue2.

Any additions?

EDIT:

Reason I say both servers be Velious is due to I think MOST people, without a doubt, will want to play Velious. Why make one stay in Kunark where everyone who's been playing this game for a long time don't really want to play the same old content again, yet rule it. I believe that tactic would fail. Almost no one would stay in Kunark.

Even I, who just started would rather play Velious era content over just Kunark and classic.

It's when EverQuest stops and "Online Economy Simulator" starts.

http://i.imgur.com/ysYb7oc.gif

Made for red but you get the idea :p

[Ravager]

Your absolutely correct. However if the quantity of people that are at lvl cap and all decked out compared to how many camps/mobs that will be available from velious content, I would imagine they would fill up pretty quick. Not to mention some camps being perma-camped it would drive those folks waiting for stuff to the other server to do something while they wait for spots. Potentially making the population rather large.

*edit* - Making the re99 server having the same problem as blue just at the other end of the spectrum. To many lowbies and not enough camps. Large populations are great till you don't have enough camps per lvl range to satisfy everyone.

There is more than enough lowbie stuff to do. It'll be even better because people will be forced to do content outside of the popular places. You'll see groups for Chessboard in BB, goblins in Dagnor's, orc camps in sro, wisps in Erud's crossing, cats in Kerri Isle. Sure, it'll suck for the sixty people fighting for mobs in Crushbone, but not the more adventurous who know what classic eq is really about.

I just hope they consider rotating ZEM on a periodic basis to spread people out more and add to the classic feels.

[dafier]

It's when EverQuest stops and "Online Economy Simulator" starts.


No offense but I don't get it. This game is already an Online Economy Simulator. You couldn't change it even if you wanted to. Or, 'they' won't/can't change it.

The delta between P99 and live during that time frame is 1 thing. Different management. (of course it's more than that but I am pointing out the number one difference)

The classic game play is there. Just help the economy out by having 2 environments (both duplicates of each other) and splitting up the players. If it's done right, both servers will be fairly equal in terms of player base.

[Ravager]

p99 in its current form should be treated as an extended beta test

classic/kunark content is pretty much 100% bug free at this point

they should release velious for 1-3 years, when it's 100% perfect, completely wipe the whole server

after that start the real p99 on a CLASSIC timeline with expansion released every few months as it was on live

Boats still not classic.

[dafier]

I apologize if this raises hairs but I want to give an example.

I played SoD for a period of time. The player base is....crap. Absolute crap and everyone boxes if not MULTI boxes. Having a VERY small player base forces people to be social so they can 'raid' or accomplish anything outside trolling around with your box.

This economy is strong, player base is awesome. So....split it, and it might cause more collaboration on the upper end for raid mobs instead of brutally fighting for PP, in which helps with the small percent (people who have PP to spend) and hurts the majority (people who want to raid to get items).

[tankh]

I think there may even start to be a drop off on p99 in anticipation of a new server. I just started playing again and have been leveling hard to get to at least 44 before velious hits but now I have little to no interest in playing p99, I'm just casual here so may not mean much but from a casual PoV whats the point in "wasting" time leveling a toon I will drop as soon as this new server pops regardless if its in 3,6 or 9 months time.

re99 has killed my joy on p99

[Laugher]

I like this idea, it gives everyone something new to do when the content of the original server has run its course. Unlike Al Kabor which just allowed boxing (better computers, less people etc.) that simply boxed more after so many years I think this will allow newcomers to p99 the opportunity to experience the game the way it was as well as keep their chars.

If the server is going to be in close to* the same era forever anyway it makes great sense to me that when you want to make an alt you can have the choice to start them in a (potentially) earlier era than that of the original 99 server.

This also would probably at least help spread the amount of twinks in a given lowbie area across two servers as well.

Without a wipe or massively adding content, I think this is a practical way to keep old players coming back and new ones becoming interested.

[Wrench]

didnt read the whole thread but alot of you seem to be missing some information

no new blue server will open until the old one is done, which means all content right up to luclin

even if content was all currently ready on time (no way it will be) this would mean they would follow the classic timeline and things would not be finished being released until almost a year after velious

long way to go still kids, dont get too worked up

[Ivory]

I think there may even start to be a drop off on p99 in anticipation of a new server. I just started playing again and have been leveling hard to get to at least 44 before velious hits but now I have little to no interest in playing p99, I'm just casual here so may not mean much but from a casual PoV whats the point in "wasting" time leveling a toon I will drop as soon as this new server pops regardless if its in 3,6 or 9 months time.

re99 has killed my joy on p99

Same here ~_~ It kills me that we might have to wait half a year or more till we can actually make our characters to really sink into.

I have a twink ranger I was leveling...but...meh...all there is to do is grind exp to try and "catch up" to my guild and raid. That or hop onto my higher level and raid some stuff for pixels.

Even when velious comes out, I guess I'll check it out...but not really much interest in just sitting around raiding. I like groups and chatting and meeting new people. On raids it is just following orders and going through the motions.

[clellaen]

didnt read the whole thread but alot of you seem to be missing some information

no new blue server will open until the old one is done, which means all content right up to luclin

even if content was all currently ready on time (no way it will be) this would mean they would follow the classic timeline and things would not be finished being released until almost a year after velious

long way to go still kids, dont get too worked up

This kind of attitude is my concern here. You have a huge problem and don't fix it because....why? An old post 5 years ago said it wouldn't?

[Wrench]

This kind of attitude is my concern here. You have a huge problem and don't fix it because....why? An old post 5 years ago said it wouldn't?

wtf you talkin about?

[clellaen]

wtf you talkin about?

What are you talking about?

[Ivory]

This kind of attitude is my concern here. You have a huge problem and don't fix it because....why? An old post 5 years ago said it wouldn't?

Especially a problem that seems to easy to solve.

I could understand if it was "hay, actually we don't have the old build for pre-kunark...it would be a huge undertaking to get this set up. So we are just going to focus on velious first and then start on figuring out the classic server".

But, it seems crazy they wouldn't have kept the old builds. If they are just sitting around somewhere, why not copy/paste them onto a new server?

Is there some reason that they would want as many people on the current blue server as possible when velious hits? Do they want a 1k+ people all taking the boat over the same day and swamping things because they have nothing better to do?

[Wrench]

What are you talking about?

i made a general post to everyone, not to you

if you reply to me specifically, atleast make it clear to me what the fuck your trying to say

[loramin]

but now I have little to no interest in playing p99, I'm just casual here so may not mean much but from a casual PoV whats the point in "wasting" time leveling a toon I will drop as soon as this new server pops regardless if its in 3,6 or 9 months time.

re99 has killed my joy on p99

Same here ~_~ It kills me that we might have to wait half a year or more till we can actually make our characters to really sink into.

I have a twink ranger I was leveling...but...meh...all there is to do is grind exp to try and "catch up" to my guild and raid. That or hop onto my higher level and raid some stuff for pixels. .

Wow, ok let me get this straight: you're complaining because your 100% free, nearly perfect clone of the original EverQuest game is (at some indefinite time in the future) opening up a second server. The existing, 100% free server isn't going anywhere, you're just getting a completely new option of an (also 100% free) server where everyone starts out on the same footing.

And this is "killing your joy on p99"?!?!?

Dear lord some people really will complain about anything.

[clellaen]

i made a general post to everyone, not to you

if you reply to me specifically, atleast make it clear to me what the fuck your trying to say

The other guy understood me. Sorry you didn't bud. Will you let me try again?

[Wrench]

ah, i see what you retards are arguing about

nilbog isnt releasing re99, or whatever you wanna call it, to try and help your self absorbed problems out

he wants to actually play and enjoy all the work and effort hes put into the project himself

to do that he wants to be done deving, which means all content is done from launch right up until luclin, and then the content releases can be done automatically

does this make more sense to you now?

[clellaen]

ah, i see what you retards are arguing about

nilbog isnt releasing re99, or whatever you wanna call it, to try and help your self absorbed problems out

he wants to actually play and enjoy all the work and effort hes put into the project himself

to do that he wants to be done deving, which means all content is done from launch right up until luclin, and then the content releases can be done automatically

does this make more sense to you now?

Can I have your avatar names so I never socialize with you in game? That would be a tremendous help. Thanks.

[clellaen]

I didn't think you were that brave, digital hero

[Ivory]

Wow, ok let me get this straight: you're complaining because your 100% free, nearly perfect clone of the original EverQuest game is (at some indefinite time in the future) opening up a second server. The existing, 100% free server isn't going anywhere, you're just getting a completely new option of an (also 100% free) server where everyone starts out on the same footing.

And this is "killing your joy on p99"?!?!?


Actually, more accurately my joy on p99 had been dying for a while. The extremely broken economy and the effects that has on the game makes it difficult to play (since grouping is harder to find, and the groups that exist are isolated to just one or two "hotspots"...which makes twinking more of a necessity because you will find yourself soloing a LOT).

And if you do twink, that means you don't need equipment anymore (which is half of the game)....leaving ONLY leveling. So the game becomes about grinding exp and lower end quests , tradeskills, and dungeons become obsolete.

Effectively, the thing "killing my joy" on p99 was the fact that much of the game is, in practice, missing.

BUT, there is still a longer term joy (kind of) of getting a character higher level and raiding and getting equipment and feeling that sense of achievement again (once higher level and raiding a bit).

So, the task of grinding a character up slowly is still something we would put up with (at least to some degree).

BUT, now that we know that by the time we have grinded through the generally unfun world of twink leveling and solo exping (or maybe some groups, in those 1 or 2 hotspots)....that the new server will come out soon after and we will be moving anyway? Suddenly even doing that grinding seems much less appealing (since it isn't really working towards anything).

A big part of games like this is that sense of achievement (especially seemingly meaningful achievement)....but that sense of achievement is largely lacking.

When there is a very old or broken economy, it is MUCH harder to feel a sense of achievement at getting your first magic weapon so you can finally attack a ghoul (by earning it or questing for it)...when there are limitless ones available for free (or purchasable for a couple PP in the commons).

[Vorkon]

There seemed to be more discussion revolving around a Discord or Team PvP server compared to the Recycle server during the discussion on Sirkens stream. I was under the impression they were going to work on those along with some custom content post Velious, before they decided to release RE99.

[Asher]

Wow, ok let me get this straight: you're complaining because your 100% free, nearly perfect clone of the original EverQuest game is (at some indefinite time in the future) opening up a second server. The existing, 100% free server isn't going anywhere, you're just getting a completely new option of an (also 100% free) server where everyone starts out on the same footing.

And this is "killing your joy on p99"?!?!?

Dear lord some people really will complain about anything.

The staff obviously cares what the community thinks. What is the harm and making your feelings known? Everyone knows it is free. Community input is valuable.

and for the record my joy on p99 died a long time ago. With 2 manastones, 3 fungis, a manarobe, and a couple 60s I didn't have much else to do with all the guild bickering. I don't have the time to be hardcore and didn't feel like rejoining TMO.

Asher - Oracle

[Ivory]

he wants to actually play and enjoy all the work and effort hes put into the project himself

to do that he wants to be done deving, which means all content is done from launch right up until luclin, and then the content releases can be done automatically


He can't play while deving? Take an hour or two a day to relax and play a new character?

I'm a dev too (building my own game), and somehow I still manage to find time to hop into EQ and run around a bit.

[kaev]

I think there may even start to be a drop off on p99 in anticipation of a new server. I just started playing again and have been leveling hard to get to at least 44 before velious hits but now I have little to no interest in playing p99, I'm just casual here so may not mean much but from a casual PoV whats the point in "wasting" time leveling a toon I will drop as soon as this new server pops regardless if its in 3,6 or 9 months time.

re99 has killed my joy on p99

If playing on p99 is time "wasted", that is, if you're not having fun playing, why would Re99 be different? I played very casually on live, never had any character at level cap, never joined a raid guild, had a ton of fun grouping with all sorts of people. I chased the new server rainbow quite a few times on live, but always ended up going back to my old main for a while after the new server lost its novelty, even when there was nobody left that I knew from "the old days". New servers are fun, but they don't change the game in any fundamental way except for the first couple weeks of lowbie madness, and that's ephemeral, here today gone tomorrow. Old characters tho, they're comfortable thing to return to (until SOE changed EQ so much that I couldn't recognize it anymore.)

If playing an Iksar is a big deal to you, no Iksar will exist on Re99 for a year after it goes live. So you're blue99 Iksar is gonna be the char to go to for your lizardman fix.

Also, any char 30+ can find fun stuff to do in Velious content, even an Iksar. ;)

[Wrench]

I didn't think you were that brave, digital hero

your annoying me, so lets draw this out painfully

tell me again what your confusion in this thread is, and i will try to explain it again, with smaller words

[clellaen]

your annoying me, so lets draw this out painfully

tell me again what your confusion in this thread is, and i will try to explain it again, with smaller words

I'm directly asking for your avatar names. My confusion comes from your lack of understanding that you are simply deplorable and I would rather never socialize with you again outside of this final acknowledgment of your existence.

Thanks.

[Wrench]

I'm directly asking for your avatar names. My confusion comes from your lack of understanding that you are simply deplorable and I would rather never socialize with you again outside of this final acknowledgment of your existence.

Thanks.

i wouldnt sweat that, i avoid interacting with idiots ingame, i think your safe

anything else i can help you with?

[kaev]

damn you two, get a room willya?

[clellaen]

Digital hero defeated. Let's move on with progressive discussion, folks.

[tankh]

Wow, ok let me get this straight: you're complaining because your 100% free, nearly perfect clone of the original EverQuest game is (at some indefinite time in the future) opening up a second server. The existing, 100% free server isn't going anywhere, you're just getting a completely new option of an (also 100% free) server where everyone starts out on the same footing.

And this is "killing your joy on p99"?!?!?

Dear lord some people really will complain about anything.

I am so happy that there people using thier free time to make a eq emu like this one. It has over the last year gave me a lot of joy visiting old zones.

My point is that a release of a new server gives me no motivation to level on p99 as there is a better alternative down the road. People play on p99 as there is no real alternative. Re99 gives us a chance to play from day 1.

I was enjoying p99 with the ultimate goal of maybe just maybe getting to see the end game i used to love with re99 im 100percent going to see it even if i have to make rl changes.

Im just greatful that us new players get the same chance old players did. Imo velious is more important as a lot of old players have been waiting ages for it and its only fair tbey get that before new players get re99

Fogive the typos my phone is shit and im pissed x

[tankh]

@kaev i used the term wasting as eq takes up a lot of time and although fun its a false economy investing that time into a toon that i will not play when re99 is here. Im just 1 persom with 1 opinion thats all :)

[loramin]

Actually, more accurately my joy on p99 had been dying for a while. The extremely broken economy and the effects that has on the game makes it difficult to play (since grouping is harder to find, and the groups that exist are isolated to just one or two "hotspots"...which makes twinking more of a necessity because you will find yourself soloing a LOT).

And if you do twink, that means you don't need equipment anymore (which is half of the game)....leaving ONLY leveling. So the game becomes about grinding exp and lower end quests , tradeskills, and dungeons become obsolete.

Effectively, the thing "killing my joy" on p99 was the fact that much of the game is, in practice, missing.

BUT, there is still a longer term joy (kind of) of getting a character higher level and raiding and getting equipment and feeling that sense of achievement again (once higher level and raiding a bit).

So, the task of grinding a character up slowly is still something we would put up with (at least to some degree).

BUT, now that we know that by the time we have grinded through the generally unfun world of twink leveling and solo exping (or maybe some groups, in those 1 or 2 hotspots)....that the new server will come out soon after and we will be moving anyway? Suddenly even doing that grinding seems much less appealing (since it isn't really working towards anything).

A big part of games like this is that sense of achievement (especially seemingly meaningful achievement)....but that sense of achievement is largely lacking.

When there is a very old or broken economy, it is MUCH harder to feel a sense of achievement at getting your first magic weapon so you can finally attack a ghoul (by earning it or questing for it)...when there are limitless ones available for free (or purchasable for a couple PP in the commons).
Like I said before, some people will complain about anything. You complain about a "broken" (in your head at least) economy, then the staff offers you a brand new server with a completely clean economy. So what do you do? Bitch about that.

Nothing in that wall of text has stopped the thousands of people who login every night from having a really great time on this server. Not the "broken economy", or the "necessary twinking", or the game's supposed "lack of a sense of achievement".

Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't the server: maybe it's you.

[Ivory]

Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't the server: maybe it's you.

Why is it so important that everyone feel about the server the way you do?

You realize people can have different experiences right? Or are you really that self absorbed that you can only see and care about things from your own perspective?

[kaev]

@kaev i used the term wasting as eq takes up a lot of time and although fun its a false economy investing that time into a toon that i will not play when re99 is here. Im just 1 persom with 1 opinion thats all :)

Ah, I see. You think of time spent playing a video game as an "investment". I think of it as recreation. I enjoy seeing my characters progress, but that's not why I'm here. Thinking of my time here as an "investment" would instantly kill all of the joy I find in the game and the community.

[loramin]

My point is that a release of a new server gives me no motivation to level on p99 as there is a better alternative down the road. People play on p99 as there is no real alternative. Re99 gives us a chance to play from day 1.

You do realize that the new server is at the very least a year off, and realistically is probably going to be several years off ... if it is ever released at all (remember that teams PvP server that was announced with similar fanfare?)

But you can't feel motivated playing a 15-year old elf simulator now because of the possibility that several years from now you'll have a chance to play on a different 15-year old elf simulator. Makes perfect sense.

[loramin]

Why is it so important that everyone feel about the server the way you do?

You realize people can have different experiences right? Or are you really that self absorbed that you can only see and care about things from your own perspective?

I play a free game and appreciate it. You play a free game, don't appreciate it, and then feel the need to tell everyone how bad it is because it's not bringing you the satisfaction you feel you deserve.

Yup, I'm the self-absorbed one.

*EDIT*

And for the record, it's not "so important that everyone feel about the server the way" I do. But I thought this was a forum, where people say one thing, and then (especially if that one thing is stupid) other people respond to it.

If you want to just spout an unchallenged opinion then maybe this forum isn't right for you either.

[loramin]

Ah, I see. You think of time spent playing a video game as an "investment". I think of it as recreation. I enjoy seeing my characters progress, but that's not why I'm here. Thinking of my time here as an "investment" would instantly kill all of the joy I find in the game and the community.

Beautiful. There are like a million bitter, whiny complaint posts in this thread, and that post answers all of them.

[tankh]

A lot of brown nosing going on maybe a dev will quote you in a post so you can use it as you sig. How awsome would that be?

Anyways time for bed when i wake up maybe re99 will be here xxx

[Ivory]

But I thought this was a forum, where people say one thing, and then (especially if that one thing is stupid) other people respond to it.


So you are you just here to troll?

They already said they will be eventually doing the new server. We are just saying "hay, could you guys release that sooner than later?"

What is your problem? You need to get out more buddy.

[loramin]

A lot of brown nosing going on maybe a dev will quote you in a post so you can use it as you sig. How awsome would that be?

Anyways time for bed when i wake up maybe re99 will be here xxx

It's not about the signature; if I make just ten more positive posts Rogean has promised me an AoN!

[Bristlebaner]

Fast forward to April 7th 2020. Still waiting for re99.

[lecompte]

I WANNA PLAY IN THIS THREAD TOOO!!!!!

To all the whiners -- no matter the side of the "issue" you're on:

http://imgur.com/jyVMtxf


Was the initial purpose of the thread to gauge excitement? To gauge feelings in general? Maybe a poll would be better serving?

[HalflingWarrior]

I am just in favor of a fresh start server that won't be subjected to joining blue99 ever. Blue99 is essentially a beta for this project. The conditions that developed during this never ending Kunark (a very boring expansion to be stuck in) aren't necessarily doomed to repeat themselves or even likely to, at least not for a very long time. I don't like how this server turned out. I have big hopes for the future progression server and no interest in returning to blue. Sorry if that sounds childish?

Lmao "a very boring expansion" yet you and your guildees have poopsocked it 24 hours a day for four and a half years?

[HalflingWarrior]

The time to release the new blue server is NOT "years into Velious!!!

Would just give TMO\Rampage two years to monopolize Velious and get BIS gear for all 10 of their level 60 alts then move on to the new server. I think people want the NEW blue99 to be a more classic experience. Current blue server is a fucking joke

How many people during classic era EQ, that didn't multibox, had 4 5 6 7+ level 60 alts? Most people weren't even level 60 on a SINGLE toon when Velious released.

[HalflingWarrior]

Adding few more rez staves, thex daggers, mistwalkers, and manastones to an already over inflated and (then) 3+ year stagnant content server does what harm?

The people being rolled into blue will be at a significant platinum disadvantage to the 8+ years of plat hording that blue will have achieved by then.

Heah cross-server plat trading has to be made illegal AND you should only be allowed to be logged into one server at a time; if not the biggest p99 neckbearded poopsocker will just permacamp both servers at once.

[JayN]

Wipe all servers clean; with fixes and a real'ish time line imho

[HalflingWarrior]

Well sure some "neckbeards" will play the new server, but even so it the new server absolutely will split the population. You seem to forget: the recycle server won't have Velious. People here with multiple level 60s decked out in BiS gear who have waited years for Velious are not going to want to go play a level 10 in Blackburrow when they could be killing dragons and giants and Tunare and ...

Which is why re99 needs to come SOON and not "well into Velious." BEFORE the neckbeards have all 9 of their lvl 60 alts wearing BIS Velious gear.

[salimoneus]

Listen, it's going to be at least 6 months and probably longer for them to iron out the issues with Velious, so they will need to keep the focus on that task moving forward during this period. The devs only have so much time to invest in P99 as a whole, and even though it may seem trivial to roll a new server using code they have already written, there is still a sizable time requirement involved in doing patches, server updates, maintenance, administration, CSR, and everything else involved in running a server.

I agree that a brand new server today would rock, but it's just not practical right now and yall are just gonna hafta wait and be happy that it's even in the plans to begin with.

Oh and for all you noobs and otherwise cheap bastards, please go donate it will very likely help expedite things: http://www.project1999.com/index.php?pageid=donations

[clellaen]

Listen, it's going to be at least 6 months and probably longer for them to iron out the issues with Velious, so they will need to keep the focus on that task moving forward during this period. The devs only have so much time to invest in P99 as a whole, and even though it may seem trivial to roll a new server using code they have already written, there is still a sizable time requirement involved in doing patches, server updates, maintenance, administration, CSR, and everything else involved in running a server.

I agree that a brand new server today would rock, but it's just not practical right now and yall are just gonna hafta wait and be happy that it's even in the plans to begin with.

Oh and for all you noobs and otherwise cheap bastards, please go donate it will very likely help expedite things: http://www.project1999.com/index.php?pageid=donations

I'm in total understanding and agreement with this. I would consider making significant donations if it would at all help expedite the process, but honestly I can't justify donating to a project which seems a bit ignored (my polite opinion with current population problems, etc)

Not saying the project hasn't been great or that it was anything but a success...but if this time period isn't a fork in the road, I don't know when is

[loramin]

A lot of people in this thread seem to not understand one simple fact: the neckbeards will swarm this new server whether it comes out tomorrow, a day after Velious drops, or a decade from now. A new P99 server is like a hotpocket to a neckbeard, and they can't be stopped because anything you can possibly do, they can do at 3AM while pooping in to their socks.

So sure, you can fill this thread and countless others with your complaints about how terrible Blue is. You can whine and moan and rail against those evil neckbeards, and demand a new server immediately. That's option #1.

Option #2 is to enjoy this truly incredible server we all get to share, realize that the presence of other players (neckbeard or not) doesn't have to ruin your own fun, and only worry about a new server if/when it every is actually released.

Personally I choose #2.

[Ivory]

The devs only have so much time to invest in P99 as a whole, and even though it may seem trivial to roll a new server using code they have already written, there is still a sizable time requirement involved in doing patches, server updates, maintenance, administration, CSR, and everything else involved in running a server.]

That is the thing...if they have the server code already (pre-kunark)...rolling it out into a new server isn't really that big of a job.

CSR and all the other stuff are things they already deal with.

And velious isn't for 2 more months. That is why we are saying get this new server up before velious to lighten the load on the normal server (from a game play / experience standpoint ...and from a technical standpoint of zone crashing or even more petitions from a new expansion).

The new server will have already been tested fully (from all the work and growing pains on the current server). There shouldn't be a big need for tons of patching or anything else.

[clellaen]

A lot of people in this thread seem to not understand one simple fact: the neckbeards will swarm this new server whether it comes out tomorrow, a day after Velious drops, or a decade from now. A new P99 server is like a hotpocket to a neckbeard, and they can't be stopped because anything you can possibly do, they can do at 3AM while pooping in to their socks.

So sure, you can fill this thread and countless others with your complaints about how terrible Blue is. You can whine and moan and rail against those evil neckbeards, and demand a new server immediately. That's option #1.

Option #2 is to enjoy this truly incredible server we all get to share, realize that the presence of other players (neckbeard or not) doesn't have to ruin your own fun, and only worry about a new server if/when it every is actually released.

Personally I choose #2.

See, I choose number 3. Not playing at all, because anyone going into blue on velious launch already knows it's going to essentially be miserable. I love EverQuest and want to see this project succeed, but this is simply throwing hands up in the air and saying "fuck it, this is what we got, let's settle"

That's simply not constructive, what is constructive, is a discussion by us in this thread to see if any options can help us.

[clellaen]

A lot of people in this thread seem to not understand one simple fact: the neckbeards will swarm this new server whether it comes out tomorrow, a day after Velious drops, or a decade from now. A new P99 server is like a hotpocket to a neckbeard, and they can't be stopped because anything you can possibly do, they can do at 3AM while pooping in to their socks.

So sure, you can fill this thread and countless others with your complaints about how terrible Blue is. You can whine and moan and rail against those evil neckbeards, and demand a new server immediately. That's option #1.

Option #2 is to enjoy this truly incredible server we all get to share, realize that the presence of other players (neckbeard or not) doesn't have to ruin your own fun, and only worry about a new server if/when it every is actually released.

Personally I choose #2.

Also, your fear of neckbeards is pretty lolz. Honestly, I'd rather fight 20 of them than 40, so I don't get your point

[Ivory]

Also, your fear of neckbeards is pretty lolz. Honestly, I'd rather fight 20 of them than 40, so I don't get your point

Yea, his focus on neckbeards is strange.

Who cares if they are at some of the main camps for like a manastone? This isn't an issue of "omg there are too many people camping loot, I want a new server so i can get loot too"....this is MUCH more.

This is about making a server where people will be leveling up and the entire world will be full of players exploring every corner of the game again. Instead of just a couple groups in the "main hotspots", you will have people in every zone trying to do their stuff and playing together.

It isn't just about getting a chance to camp a manastone :| It is about getting to play everquest in a rich and fun way with other people experiencing the same thing (something that you can't really get on the current server).

[clellaen]

Yea, his focus on neckbeards is strange.


It isn't just about getting a chance to camp a manastone :| It is about getting to play everquest in a rich and fun way with other people experiencing the same thing (something that you can't really get on the current server).

Exactly, people forget there are so many ways to play this game, and nearly all of them are hurt with current populations. Another server would literally only help people except the devs, which is why I'd love to just hear if they are short on help, money, or motivation. It's one if not all of those....

[loramin]

That's simply not constructive, what is constructive, is a discussion by us in this thread to see if any options can help us.
Yup, bitching, moaning, and demanding that the devs do something that they've already made very clear they won't do is incredibly productive. Do you spend your other "constructive" time mailing letters to the US government demanding they put Firefly back on the air?

Also, your fear of neckbeards is pretty lolz. Honestly, I'd rather fight 20 of them than 40, so I don't get your point
Um, this is going to be a non-PvP server, so no one is going to be fighting anyone.

But more importantly, you seemed to have missed two key points I made: A) neckbeards (in significant numbers) are inevitable, and B) you will always lose to people with poop in their socks.

See, I choose number 3. Not playing at all, because anyone going into blue on velious launch already knows it's going to essentially be miserable.
Great, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Rec]

hopefully they can save your bindpoint in the merging so everyone has another chance to get bound in the pot room :)

[clellaen]

Yup, bitching, moaning, and demanding that the devs do something that they've already made very clear they won't do is incredibly productive. Do you spend your other "constructive" time mailing letters to the US government demanding they put Firefly back on the air?


Um, this is going to be a non-PvP server, so no one is going to be fighting anyone.

But more importantly, you seemed to have missed two key points I made: A) neckbeards (in significant numbers) are inevitable, and B) you will always lose to people with poop in their socks.


Great, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

1) Why wont they? Also, your assessment of my intentions is just wrong. I can make up stuff as well but I won't do that to you.

a) ok

b) ok

See, guys like this really make me want to avoid donating to p1999 in general, because a person can literally ask "How can I help?" and this is the response

[loramin]

See, guys like this really make me want to avoid donating to p1999 in general, because a person can literally ask "How can I help?" and this is the response

Yeah, all you did was ask how you could help, and so politely ...

You have a huge problem and don't fix it because....why? An old post 5 years ago said it wouldn't?
I'm directly asking for your avatar names. My confusion comes from your lack of understanding that you are simply deplorable and I would rather never socialize with you again outside of this final acknowledgment of your existence.
Not playing at all, because anyone going into blue on velious launch already knows it's going to essentially be miserable.

And all that aside, the basic premise of everything you're arguing is "well the people who put the time and effort to make this server happen have said they're going to release a new server in the future ... and I think they're wrong". It's like you're a child whose parents just told him he's getting a new toy at X-mas, and you're upset because it's not here yet.

And if you want to talk about helping the community, I've donated, I've helped answer countless questions in the starting zone, and on the wiki I've written/maintained:

the EverQuest installation guide
the Per-Level Hunting Guide
the Treasure Hunting Guide
the Faction Hunting Guide
the Blue guilds summary page


What exactly have you contributed, besides whining?

[clellaen]

Yeah, all you did was ask how you could help, and so politely ...





And all that aside, the basic premise of everything you're arguing is "well the people who put the time and effort to make this server happen have said they're going to release a new server in the future ... and I think they're wrong". It's like you're a child whose parents just told him he's getting a new toy at X-mas, and you're upset because it's not here yet.

And if you want to talk about helping the community, I've donated, I've helped answer countless questions in the starting zone, and on the wiki I've written/maintained:

the EverQuest installation guide
the Per-Level Hunting Guide
the Treasure Hunting Guide
the Faction Hunting Guide
the Blue guilds summary page


What exactly have you contributed, besides whining?

I was responded to an extremely rude person, since you take things out of context.

You sir, are in a complete state of disillusionment and are generally very bad at communicating. I wish you the best of luck and will continue this convo with people who display respect and honestly want to improve the project for all of us.

[Cecily]

Lmao "a very boring expansion" yet you and your guildees have poopsocked it 24 hours a day for four and a half years?

I'm getting extremely tired of people like yourself reading my guild tag instead of my posts. Maybe the pretty colors distract you and you can't focus on the big words.

[kaev]

I was responded to an extremely rude person, since you take things out of context.

You sir, are in a complete state of disillusionment and are generally very bad at communicating. I wish you the best of luck and will continue this convo with people who display respect and honestly want to improve the project for all of us.

Wow.

Your posts to this thread are profoundly disrespectful to those who've contributed to this project. Concluding with that delusional self-important bullshit just makes it all extra special.

Just. Fucking. Wow.

[clellaen]

Wow.

Your posts to this thread are profoundly disrespectful to those who've contributed to this project. Concluding with that delusional self-important bullshit just makes it all extra special.

Just. Fucking. Wow.

I'm amazed at the lengths people go to slander

[clellaen]

Thanks for your very accute insight, kaev.

I'll continue to discuss the topic of the thread with others. Enjoy yourself and your false accusations :)

[tankh]

One suggestion is if there is going to be re99 server those that are going to jump to. What can be done in the mean time that could help the devs out ? Any suggestions ?

[Stabulous]

+1 for being more excited for a fresh server than for the expansion. There's really nothing to be excited about in velious when it's going to be controlled by the same one or two groups of people who's lives revolve around the game. At least if you released the fresh server around the time you release velious those people would have to choose between farming velious or ruining people's experience on the new sever instead. They probably play so much that they could just box and do both at the same time, but just having the leveling zones full again would be fun.

[myriverse]

Yea, his focus on neckbeards is strange.

Who cares if they are at some of the main camps for like a manastone? This isn't an issue of "omg there are too many people camping loot, I want a new server so i can get loot too"....this is MUCH more.

This is about making a server where people will be leveling up and the entire world will be full of players exploring every corner of the game again. Instead of just a couple groups in the "main hotspots", you will have people in every zone trying to do their stuff and playing together.

It isn't just about getting a chance to camp a manastone :| It is about getting to play everquest in a rich and fun way with other people experiencing the same thing (something that you can't really get on the current server).
It's kind of silly to think that people won't just flock to those same hotspots. All of those areas you want filled with players are present on P99, but people don't use them. Why? Because they hate those spots. Re99 will just be more of the same. The problem is not the environment; it's the population.

If you think P99 is a cesspool, then the end result will just be two cesspools instead of one.

[Llodd]

Heah cross-server plat trading has to be made illegal AND you should only be allowed to be logged into one server at a time; if not the biggest p99 neckbearded poopsocker will just permacamp both servers at once.

Yup, I really do hope the devs will think about implementing this when they release the new server in 3+ years time. Especially only being able to log into one server at a time.

[clellaen]

It's kind of silly to think that people won't just flock to those same hotspots. All of those areas you want filled with players are present on P99, but people don't use them. Why? Because they hate those spots. Re99 will just be more of the same. The problem is not the environment; it's the population.

If you think P99 is a cesspool, then the end result will just be two cesspools instead of one.

Most defeated fucking attitude ever. Please dude, tell us why any of us should even be here then? Some of us don't care to camp FBSS but we would like more grouping options. It's literally that simple.

Is this the attitude of the devs these days as well? I'm getting no hope from future here, that's for sure

[Ivory]

It's kind of silly to think that people won't just flock to those same hotspots. All of those areas you want filled with players are present on P99, but people don't use them. Why? Because they hate those spots. Re99 will just be more of the same. The problem is not the environment; it's the population.

If you think P99 is a cesspool, then the end result will just be two cesspools instead of one.

It is equally silly to believe people will be able to do that. How many groups do you think the courtyard in unrest can support? haha

[salimoneus]

Most defeated fucking attitude ever. Please dude, tell us why any of us should even be here then? Some of us don't care to camp FBSS but we would like more grouping options. It's literally that simple.

Is this the attitude of the devs these days as well? I'm getting no hope from future here, that's for sure

Public Service Announcement: The majority of players on this server don't participate nor even visit these forums, so making assumptions about the players in general based solely on a few peoples' comments or even one thread seems rather silly.

Also, people here (including the devs) give zero fucks about someone threatening to quit or not play, so I would just drop that recurring theme. It's not personal, it's just that nobody cares, seriously.

[Ivory]

Public Service Announcement: The majority of players on this server don't participate nor even visit these forums, so making assumptions about the players in general based solely on a few peoples' comments or even one thread seems rather silly.


My entire guild (a class C raiding guild) was talking in vent / guild chat about the new server announcement and how people were excited for it.

There is a LOOOOOTTTT of excitement over a new server.

[Grizzler]

My entire guild (a class C raiding guild) was talking in vent / guild chat about the new server announcement and how people were excited for it.

There is a LOOOOOTTTT of excitement over a new server.

I would imagine that there is a lot although 1 guild talking about it is hardly a good measurement of the entire community. However, I still think it would be great to get an idea of why the devs are waiting and whether or not the community would be able to help them get it out quicker. Maybe a great question for next weeks stream.

At this point it could even be that the devs just need the bodies on blue/red after velious is released to make sure everything is up to snuff and don't wanna water down the population so that there are people there to test even by chance.

I would love the new server to come out sooner rather then later but I can also wait so I am very neutral on all of this.

[August]

What I really want to know is, do people actually poop in socks? I mean, I see the phrase EVERYWHERE. Tell me, we're just generalizing for 'people with too much time on theirhands', right? I mean, I've had 16 hour gaming sessions of EQ before - hell, I even used to remote in from work to sell jewelry during the day on Fippy, but I never once considered placing my poop anywhere other than a toilet.

[clellaen]

Public Service Announcement: The majority of players on this server don't participate nor even visit these forums, so making assumptions about the players in general based solely on a few peoples' comments or even one thread seems rather silly.

Also, people here (including the devs) give zero fucks about someone threatening to quit or not play, so I would just drop that recurring theme. It's not personal, it's just that nobody cares, seriously.

You're assuming people give zero fucks. Sorry Mr Nihlist, but your assumption is far more stupid.

[maskedmelon]

What I really want to know is, do people actually poop in socks? I mean, I see the phrase EVERYWHERE. Tell me, we're just generalizing for 'people with too much time on theirhands', right? I mean, I've had 16 hour gaming sessions of EQ before - hell, I even used to remote in from work to sell jewelry during the day on Fippy, but I never once considered placing my poop anywhere other than a toilet.

Depends...

I would think better than socks. Fasting might be another alternative and in this day and age laptop n the commode... I'd say Depends though.

No first hand experience though :/ sorry not more help.

[Rararboker]

What I really want to know is, do people actually poop in socks? I mean, I see the phrase EVERYWHERE. Tell me, we're just generalizing for 'people with too much time on theirhands', right? I mean, I've had 16 hour gaming sessions of EQ before - hell, I even used to remote in from work to sell jewelry during the day on Fippy, but I never once considered placing my poop anywhere other than a toilet.

You were saying? (http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/M+ommy+true+mlg+gamers+know+the+feel+of+a+poopsock _9a09bb_5182636.jpg)

[Ivory]

Woa...apparently live is doing a progression server too in a few months :| Soooooo.....

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/progression-server-poll-results-whats-next.219080/

[Rararboker]

Live progression server is a joke comparatively.

[maskedmelon]

I think the most compelling reason for releasing a recycled server sooner than later is dilution of poopsockery. Socks will be torn (no pun intended huehuehue) between the new old content (Classic) and the old new content (Velious). You can't be holding the mana stones and one of the 11 Holgresh bead camps at the same time....I believe it!

While I can sympathize with this view, I don't want to see a new server yet. I want to finish of something's on this server first so I can approach the new server clean and ready to go ^^ regardless of how many sockers I have to work around. I don't have the time to compete with even a casual afk pooper, so whether there are sockers or not is irrelevant to me ^^

[Rec]

live progression is not as cool but it's actually going to be available this summer

[Ivory]

live progression is not as cool but it's actually going to be available this summer

Yup, progression server is going to go up in about 2 months. Wont be completely as classic as this... but, pretty darn close :D

[nineonesix]

Id only try it out if they do a locked progession, lock it at Luclin or something around there.

[quido]

Is that you, Supreme? (Ivory)

[myriverse]

Most defeated fucking attitude ever. Please dude, tell us why any of us should even be here then? Some of us don't care to camp FBSS but we would like more grouping options. It's literally that simple.

Is this the attitude of the devs these days as well? I'm getting no hope from future here, that's for sure
Nothing about my attitude is defeated.The current server doesn't have to be a cesspool, and I don't really consider it to be one. Many seem to, though.

Sorry if the truth hurts, buddy, but if the community actually wanted some kind of improvement, a new server won't be what pushes them to make it one. The community is what makes things good or bad, not the server. And the community is staying the same for a Recycled server.

[radda]

Can you please please add the recycle blue server before velious comes out?

Lots of us have been dying to start on a fresh server, but now knowing it is coming 4+ months away just kills any desire to play normal blue.

http://media.giphy.com/media/wSCAy1zJbcUG4/giphy.gif

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Small PSA announcement!

Forumquest = where you are now. FFA ruleset, heavy roleplay, griefing allowed, kind of a very stupid place, but good for a laugh, and actually some good threads usually going on, but more often than not, they turn into .... grim slogs through the aggrieved minds of frustrated people.

p99 everquest = the game, not here. 90% of it is alright, my friend. Log on and have mostly fun. 10% of it, well, I personally wonder whether it is worth it, but that's me, and anyway, as I just said, there is still 90% that is alright stuff, and I do not really need that other 10% to play the game.

The more you know...
http://i.imgur.com/IW8simF.gif

[maskedmelon]

The more you know...
http://i.imgur.com/IW8simF.gif

I now hate you Sads. That gif gave me reading rainbow flashbacks (I know that's not its origin) and now the song is going to be stuck in my head the rest of the day now.

Anyone else?

"Take a look! It's in a..."

[Ivory]

Forumquest = where you are now.

Nooooo! I don't want to become an angry forum troll like the red-forum posters!

Also, unrelated....what do the devs have against gnome paladins?! o.O

[maskedmelon]

Nooooo! I don't want to become an angry forum troll like the red-forum posters!

Also, unrelated....what do the devs have against gnome paladins?! o.O

Ugliness. Dwarfs have cornered that market already and there is no room.

[Issar]

B/c I wasn't aware of this server until recently, I totally missed that classic experience. The current blue game and server is still fun and all, but it's not classic from a newer player's perspective. I will ditch my current toons the second Reblue goes live. I look forward to smiting evil with the given evening's comrades, while sporting my PGT and CDS, with only banded armor as my final defense, well into my 30's.

To my future group mates, may Prexus watch over you.

[clellaen]

Small PSA announcement!

Forumquest = where you are now. FFA ruleset, heavy roleplay, griefing allowed, kind of a very stupid place, but good for a laugh, and actually some good threads usually going on, but more often than not, they turn into .... grim slogs through the aggrieved minds of frustrated people.

p99 everquest = the game, not here. 90% of it is alright, my friend. Log on and have mostly fun. 10% of it, well, I personally wonder whether it is worth it, but that's me, and anyway, as I just said, there is still 90% that is alright stuff, and I do not really need that other 10% to play the game.

The more you know...
http://i.imgur.com/IW8simF.gif

Lol. Thank you for making up numbers as your primary piece of insight. Your knowledge of things is beyond my comprehension.

[Ivory]

Woa...apparently live is doing a progression server too in a few months :| Soooooo.....

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/progression-server-poll-results-whats-next.219080/

Ohh past ivory, you were so naive. That server is only the illusion of "classic"....but when seen closer, it is far farrrr from that. It was nothing but lie...that company is a house of lies.

[Erati]

Ohh past ivory, you were so naive. That server is only the illusion of "classic"....but when seen closer, it is far farrrr from that. It was nothing but lie...that company is a house of lies.

insert Swish 'Station Cash' meme

[Huggz]

Burn it down!

Server reset is sooooooo overdue. Like years.

[Clark]

Can you please please add the recycle blue server before velious comes out?

You are going to advance it at a slow rate anyway.... so why wait months into velious?

Lots of us have been dying to start on a fresh server, but now knowing it is coming 4+ months away just kills any desire to play normal blue.

Isn't the time.

[Huggz]

People have mentioned that it isn't the time for a new server but without any concrete reasoning as to what possible harm it would be to run a clean Classic server from the beginning. Is there something preventing it other than just politics?

Budget? Technical stuff? Staffing? Something logistic?

[Swish]

insert Swish 'Station Cash' meme

http://i.imgur.com/0YFFvpw.png :D

That's pretty close to "live" now, short of having NPCs talking about SC in /say it's a symbol that's always on your screen.

Not classic, not healthy for servers... and considering people are already subbing 2/3/4/x accounts... bad for wallets :p

[Laugher]

People have mentioned that it isn't the time for a new server but without any concrete reasoning as to what possible harm it would be to run a clean Classic server from the beginning. Is there something preventing it other than just politics?

Budget? Technical stuff? Staffing? Something logistic?

From what it sounded like on stream "patches" or adjustments that will happen every so often to simulate live patches may be implemented on the coming server, and while Velious 1.0 may be close to finished Velious+patches through pre-luclin is not, hence the need for orginal blue to run its course.

The new server I would imagine will be very streamlined and changeable in shorter amounts of time as a result of these server "patches" in each xpac not having to be created but just implemented at the right time.

[pineapplite]

I support the idea of a new/recycled progression server. /donate$10