official: EQ live progression will be.... slow progression :(

[Oleris]

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/progression-server-poll-results-whats-next.219080/

[SamwiseRed]

Kunark: 6.75 months
Velious: 3.75 months
Luclin: 6 months
Planes of Power: 5.5 months
Legacy of Ykesha: 4 weeks after PoP
LDoN: 10 weeks after PoP

sounds pretty coo. may give eq one more shot before i shelve it for good.

ah i see there are even slower options. whens this thing launch?

[Pokesan]

Well that sucks, really wanted an expansion locked server.

[Oleris]

Kunark: 6.75 months
Velious: 3.75 months
Luclin: 6 months
Planes of Power: 5.5 months
Legacy of Ykesha: 4 weeks after PoP
LDoN: 10 weeks after PoP

sounds pretty coo. may give eq one more shot before i shelve it for good.

ah i see there are even slower options. whens this thing launch?

early summer... so guessing june or july.

[Pokesan]

look at these idiots not proposing kerafyrm or quarm as a server name

[Oleris]

LORD BOB for server name.

[Swish]

The good news with SOE/Daybreak... they're terrible at sticking to promises. I wouldn't pin hopes on that being set in stone.

[Qtip]

I wish they would open a pve and pvp server.

[triad]

LORD BOB for server name.

comment # 3

[Oleris]

I was kind of hoping that classic and kunark would be released at start to give the huge potential player base more room to XP at. We shall see how it goes.

[Oleris]

http://i.imgur.com/zIAZiyf.jpg

[Rec]

awesome

those names suck though

[Millburn]

I'm STILL not seeing the discussion I need to hear before I feel comfortable about investing time in this. There hasn't been any recognition that progression on previous servers has been fucked beyond belief. I NEED to hear that they're committed to making this as legit as possible. Yet all the discussion is about unlock rates, names, and other trivial shit. I smell something fucky.

[burdenday]

I'm STILL not seeing the discussion I need to hear before I feel comfortable about investing time in this. There hasn't been any recognition that progression on previous servers has been fucked beyond belief. I NEED to hear that they're committed to making this as legit as possible. Yet all the discussion is about unlock rates, names, and other trivial shit. I smell something fucky.

I just don't see that happening with their resources. They'll probably make a few simple tweaks here and there, but with their new no CS policy expect hacking to run rampant and many past problems to remain.

Still, I'll probably play here. Likely the last official progression server ever.

[maestrom]

I played on Sleeper for a month or so until Kunark was released.

I remember lots of not-classic problems including some neck items from the revamp freeport and zones like Jagged Pine Forest. Were these problems on later progression servers as well or have they gotten better?

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/zIAZiyf.jpg

Like the original dev team is there in any sense anymore... lol'd

[Millburn]

What thread is that from anyway?

[Oleris]

Like the original dev team is there in any sense anymore... lol'd

swish I need a GIF asap that zooms into that picture where it says they have stolen the IP and should feel bad... then it goes to the infamous booker t/hulk hogan exchange here https://youtu.be/t8NX-HxX-A0 but it says Rogean, we coming for you sucka

[Weekapaug]

I'm STILL not seeing the discussion I need to hear before I feel comfortable about investing time in this. There hasn't been any recognition that progression on previous servers has been fucked beyond belief. I NEED to hear that they're committed to making this as legit as possible. Yet all the discussion is about unlock rates, names, and other trivial shit. I smell something fucky.

That's all it ever is.

The first progression servers that I played on live had the revamp lavastrom and freeport sewers loot dropping during classic rendering whole swaths of classic gear moot. During the last ones, if I recall correctly because I didn't play, they had the out of combat regen system in place for the whole game.

You are correct to question this stuff because, unless you see something specifically to the contrary, you can assume that "progression" is purely about content unlocks in name only...It's just that content from the current game, pretty much, with exceptions.

They don't go in and restore the game to actually BE like it was in each era, if that's what you are looking for, basically.

[Enderenter]

That's all it ever is.

The first progression servers that I played on live had the revamp lavastrom and freeport sewers loot dropping during classic rendering whole swaths of classic gear moot. During the last ones, if I recall correctly because I didn't play, they had the out of combat regen system in place for the whole game.

You are correct to question this stuff because, unless you see something specifically to the contrary, you can assume that "progression" is purely about content unlocks in name only...It's just that content from the current game, pretty much, with exceptions.

They don't go in and restore the game to actually BE like it was in each era, if that's what you are looking for, basically.

If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), why do people play on these servers? Why would anyone want to play a server that has all modern EQ content, where basically all that is added is the areas from each expansion as they are released. Wouldn't just playing on a normal server with all expansions be better, in that case?

[Weltmacht]

Ooc regen wasn't in until tss, but such maliciously misinformed beardmongering doesn't seem to be anything new when it comes to opponents of progression servers. Yeah, it won't even be close to the pristine experience for which some would forsake every shred of enjoyment in order to satisfy their sick, twisted ec tunnel fantasies. Pretty sure it has a relatively high probability of being fun though, at least for those of us who are able to take a step back from our "time investment" level sixties long enough to have fun in a video game YEAH

It seems like such a sad irony, especially coming from a classic community. Shouldn't the journey and such be the best part? Or is that only until the loot is two fat to part with? Such sickos.

[Millburn]

Ooc regen wasn't in until tss, but such maliciously misinformed beardmongering doesn't seem to be anything new when it comes to opponents of progression servers. Yeah, it won't even be close to the pristine experience for which some would forsake every shred of enjoyment in order to satisfy their sick, twisted ec tunnel fantasies. Pretty sure it has a relatively high probability of being fun though, at least for those of us who are able to take a step back from our "time investment" level sixties long enough to have fun in a video game YEAH

It seems like such a sad irony, especially coming from a classic community. Shouldn't the journey and such be the best part? Or is that only until the loot is two fat to part with? Such sickos.

That's exactly why I'm so passionate about it honestly, is because I cherish the journey more than anything else. I'm assuming you're speaking to me because you quoted my part about time investment but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What you call forsaking every shred of enjoyment I call satisfaction bred by hardship. A game like EQ isn't something I play explicitly for fun, I play it to get lost and to be satisfied which doesn't happen when you have shortcuts like newbie armor, defiant gear, ooc regen, corpse summoning, and SK armies due to uncapped HT which isn't content appropriate. Or with harsh art style changes from switching between North Ro and Freeport and being bombarded with a forced oasis of post luclin graphics in a desert of classic era nostalgia. Excuse me for wanting, (read: not expecting or demanding) some level of earnestness from these people.

[Weltmacht]

Believe me, I hear you. The unfortunate fact for us, though, is that these progression servers are the best we'll ever get. Sad, true, and, yes, possibly enjoyable in spite of that. And so it's rather disheartening to hear such quibbles when a game can remain fun for a solid few years despite the particular circumstances/ruleset being less than ideal.

What I'm saying doesn't really amount to more than: whatever team remains at whatever soe is called these days simply will not have the time or resources to do anything close to what could be considered classic; it's simply not feasible and not going to happen. That is not swell; not at all. But.... There is still much fun to be had regardless of its assured imperfections, you know?

[Millburn]

Believe me, I hear you. The unfortunate fact for us, though, is that these progression servers are the best we'll ever get. Sad, true, and, yes, possibly enjoyable in spite of that. And so it's rather disheartening to hear such quibbles when a game can remain fun for a solid few years despite the particular circumstances/ruleset being less than ideal.

What I'm saying doesn't really amount to more than: whatever team remains at whatever soe is called these days simply will not have the time or resources to do anything close to what could be considered classic; it's simply not feasible and not going to happen. That is not swell; not at all. But.... There is still much fun to be had regardless of its assured imperfections, you know?

Without a doubt but if I do play on this one this will be the third one I've done this time round and I'm just not sure if I really want to do it again without seeing any actual progress. At this point I'm just looking for them to build upon the mistakes made in previous servers but there's just no hint they're even cognizant of it which is what's disheartening to me. Sure, I understand it's a skeleton crew trying to do something nice for the players and I'm not taking that for granted but... it's not like this is the first time they're doing this. It still remains to be seen what improvements have been made for this server so I'm waiting with bated breath.

[Rec]

Everyone saying the server will have no gm support, it should be the most fun server in the history of EQ. Training and no pvp to self police

[Millburn]

Everyone saying the server will have no gm support, it should be the most fun server in the history of EQ. Training and no pvp to self police

Fippy and Vulak didn't really have any GM support either. If anything it's gonna be crazier this time round.

[Enderenter]

Believe me, I hear you. The unfortunate fact for us, though, is that these progression servers are the best we'll ever get.


p99>>>>>

[radditsu]

I hope defiant is in.

[Weekapaug]

If this is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), why do people play on these servers? Why would anyone want to play a server that has all modern EQ content, where basically all that is added is the areas from each expansion as they are released. Wouldn't just playing on a normal server with all expansions be better, in that case?

People get the same nostalgia that we do here, except for many (myself included for a long time) think using an EMU is just wrong to do. I only started playing here because this is a restoration project not a "hack."

But many don't see the difference. And that's their only legit outlet.

Would be my guess, at least.

[Weekapaug]

Ooc regen wasn't in until tss, but such maliciously misinformed beardmongering doesn't seem to be anything new when it comes to opponents of progression servers. Yeah, it won't even be close to the pristine experience for which some would forsake every shred of enjoyment in order to satisfy their sick, twisted ec tunnel fantasies. Pretty sure it has a relatively high probability of being fun though, at least for those of us who are able to take a step back from our "time investment" level sixties long enough to have fun in a video game YEAH

It seems like such a sad irony, especially coming from a classic community. Shouldn't the journey and such be the best part? Or is that only until the loot is two fat to part with? Such sickos.

As I said, mr "sad irony," that was what I recall but did not know.

Freeport Sewers and revamp Lavastorm loot ABSOLUTELY dropped the first time around and, I GUARANTEE, there are examples of the same from the last time around, but I didn't fall for that joke a second time so I can't tell you what they were. But I guarantee they were there.

They also use all revamp zones as I recall. New outdoor Antonica, etc. Nothing classic about any of it. It's just simple content locks. I'm not saying that, in and of itself, is un-fun. I enjoyed for the most part the first progression servers. But it's not generally what people looking for true restorations are looking for and it's a legit criticism.

And they deserve all the criticism they get. There has been a voracious appetite for classic eq and progression since long before and they've had to be dragged to it kicking and screaming the whole time. All they want from EQ now is to milk cash out of it and they only do the minimum for the progression servers to do that.

[Enderenter]

If all that ends up being true about this server (revamped zones, etc) there's no chance I would consider playing on it.

[Sirken]

again gonna ask everyone that heads over to please respect their wishes and do not name p99 or other emu servers on their forums.

the fact of the matter is they can not offer what we offer. and we do not want to offer what they offer. i actually wish they would open a legit classic progression server because then maybe id be able to play EverQuest again.




What thread is that from anyway?

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/emu-servers.219016/

[Weekapaug]

again gonna ask everyone that heads over to please respect their wishes and do not name p99 or other emu servers on their forums.

the fact of the matter is they can not offer what we offer. and we do not want to offer what they offer. i actually wish they would open a legit classic progression server because then maybe id be able to play EverQuest again.






https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/emu-servers.219016/


Absolutely.

Hey Sirken, haven't been playing p99 in ages but caught a couple of your recent streams randomly. Cheers mate.

[Cookiefist]

Is this progression server going to pay-to-win? Will it require me to pay to play too? Totally out of the EQ loop...

[myke66]

I dont see the appeal in reliving EQs decline in revamped zones I dont want to play in. If they want to do a real progression server sign me up, but until then p99 is the best I can hope for.

[maestrom]

I dont see the appeal in reliving EQs decline in revamped zones I dont want to play in. If they want to do a real progression server sign me up, but until then p99 is the best I can hope for.

I'll probably check it out but ^this. I really don't like the zone revamps and when seeing them on Sleeper day 1 was a huge bummer.

[Grubbz]

Yeah ill prob give it a shot (at least up to the pop expansion) if its F2P

[Weekapaug]

Have they announced a launch date?

[Thulack]

Is this progression server going to pay-to-win? Will it require me to pay to play too? Totally out of the EQ loop...

Most likely you will have to have their gold tier which is monthly payment to play on the server. It was that way for the other progression servers.

[Rec]

i'll pay a few months to watch people train each other in lguk with no gm support

[Oleris]

again gonna ask everyone that heads over to please respect their wishes and do not name p99 or other emu servers on their forums.

the fact of the matter is they can not offer what we offer. and we do not want to offer what they offer. i actually wish they would open a legit classic progression server because then maybe id be able to play EverQuest again.






https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/emu-servers.219016/

come on sirken. play it and stream it and see how long until you get randomly banned for doing nothing

[Thulack]

i'll pay a few months to watch people train each other in lguk with no gm support

What makes you think there would be no GM support?

[Millburn]

so what youre saying is...


Player1 says: HALP my epic poofed!
GM1 says: that sucks, you should reroll.


am i understanding this correctly?

Server wasn't even a year old when we had 3+ guilds poop socking raid mobs with 20+ SK's each with their own loaded MQ trigger to fire the HT gun as soon as the mob popped. It was blatantly obvious from the start that there wasn't any gm support lol

[maskedmelon]

It seems like such a sad irony, especially coming from a classic community. Shouldn't the journey and such be the best part? Or is that only until the loot is two fat to part with? Such sickos.

That is precisely why so many of those non-classic features bother people: it provides a fundamentally different journey. Even in shared experiences, people remember different things based on what they value. Some remember most vividly the relationships, some the setting, some the activities, some the actors and some the props. Just because it has all the best pieces in place for you doesn't mean it is even close to classic for someone else ^^

[Goobles]

The Faceless Order is recruiting!

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[Thulack]

yeah... they changed what they will respond to as far as GM service goes. They said to simply re-roll a character which angered a shit ton of people. Rumor is that only 1 GM is still around... no idea if guides are gonna come back or something.

Highly doubt a game that still has 1000's of people playing it only has 1 GM left. But hey this is EQ we are talking about so maybe.

[Haynar]

They should open 3 servers. Slow progression. One thats stops at velious and one at pop and one that doesnt stop. See which does best.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Server wasn't even a year old when we had 3+ guilds poop socking raid mobs with 20+ SK's each with their own loaded MQ trigger to fire the HT gun as soon as the mob popped. It was blatantly obvious from the start that there wasn't any gm support lol

A year? I think it was easily within 6 months.

I thought about this new Live prog server, and here is my message to the p99 people: thnx, and now I'm spoiled. I realized I simply have ***zero interest*** in playing this game under gimped and nerfed mechanics. If I had found p99 before I found Fippy, wouild have saved me some wasted time.

And to our CS gm's: Nor do I want to go through the unpoliced, mega-boxing fiasco that SOE allows again. I'm spoiled by p99' common sense server rules.

Once was enough. I am almost sad to say it, but unless something drastic is put in place, not gonna do it. Why do it to myself again?

[maestrom]

They should open 3 servers. Slow progression. One thats stops at velious and one at pop and one that doesnt stop. See which does best.

I used to think that it was some kind of denial situation with the then current Devs. They wouldn't give us a classic server, not because it wouldn't be popular, but because that would mean admitting that what they were doing to the game wasn't loved by everyone. But since then management/development has turned over a dozen times or so. So I guess the only permissible conclusion is actual animus.


They hate me personally.

[stormlord]

That's exactly why I'm so passionate about it honestly, is because I cherish the journey more than anything else. I'm assuming you're speaking to me because you quoted my part about time investment but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. What you call forsaking every shred of enjoyment I call satisfaction bred by hardship. A game like EQ isn't something I play explicitly for fun, I play it to get lost and to be satisfied which doesn't happen when you have shortcuts like newbie armor, defiant gear, ooc regen, corpse summoning, and SK armies due to uncapped HT which isn't content appropriate. Or with harsh art style changes from switching between North Ro and Freeport and being bombarded with a forced oasis of post luclin graphics in a desert of classic era nostalgia. Excuse me for wanting, (read: not expecting or demanding) some level of earnestness from these people.
Could not have said it better myself. A lot of old games give this hardship feeling. In modern gaming it has been recast into the survival genre. So if you want that old feeling of hardship, just look for games which use "survival" to describe themselves. They usually have similar gameplay.

HOWEVER, not every EQ classic (circa 1999) feature is desired. I think the biggest things I dislike are the spellbook until level 35 and the ugly UI which obscured the screen. Night blindness was popularly hated, but I think night blindness isn't inherently a bad feature. The problem is when things are pitch black and finding a light source is nigh impossible. I play Wurm Online and it has dark nights, for example. A new player can have a hard time doing anything at night becaues they're not settled yet. I turned up the gamma a couple times. Fortunately, travel is not a frequent affair, once you're settled. And you can find things to light up your place, like burn piles and lanterns. And since you're already protected, you don't have to worry about getting killed by something you didn't see. While a few times I must have swore at the game, it's still the most immersive game I've ever played.

EDIT: Btw, I started EQ Mar 1999 as human ranger. I can't evne remember what night blindness was like.

[Grubbz]

so is this going to be a f2p server?

[Goobles]

Signs point to no.

[Erydan Ouragan]

They should open 3 servers. Slow progression. One thats stops at velious and one at pop and one that doesnt stop. See which does best.

Ultimately, i think the ones that would stop at Velious/PoP would be the ones with the most people after a certain amount of time.

There is a group of people who want "true" progression, as in progress through the whole game and every expansion all over again, and a select minority that would play up to their favorite expansion and then quit after it's done.

However, the groups that like Velious/PoP would remain, while the no-stop server would slowly die, xpac after xpac, because of the difference in mentality between both groups. Velious/PoP lovers like myself don't care about progress, we care about very specific content and we don't ever get tired of it. Just like Project 1999. 4 years into kunark and p99 is thriving. That speaks volumes.

I was really, really hoping for a PoP-locked server but unfortunately it will not happen, at least not this time. I will play on the new progression server all the way to PoP to experience it all over again, hell, i might even try GoD and OoW. But i know eventually i'm gonna lose interest and gooing to come back on p99.

Not because i actually like the classic/kunark/velious eras, in fact i find them "ok" but because what i really like is Luclin/PoP and p99 is what's the closest to that, compared to live with it's 8 bars full of hotkeys and 15 trillion AAs that make the game bloated.

[Laugher]

15 trillion AAs that make the game bloated.

I think this snippet is probably one of the only reasons I'm second guessing playing the server at this point (that and what era it will stop in). I've always liked that on p99 unlike my time on live or almost any other emu there isn't the demand/existence of AAs. I see their usefulness in future xpacs, but the time I know I'd spend on AAs above and beyond everything else vs. the amount of time I'm going to actually play a live server is a bit of a deterrent.

[oldhead]

I want long ass expantion times with a stop someone in or just after classic.

a) I got no time to spend grinding levels and AA's just to quit a few months later.

b) I got no time to spend to get levels and AA's fast enough to keep up to fast content... at least not while enjoying the game.

c) Fuck EQ'ers that like to rush content and think the game is about the raid/gear.

[Oleris]

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/index.php?threads/new-progression-server-faq-and-upcoming-poll-details.219588/

new info. Instanced content for levels 1-15ish to deal with the initial rush.

Vote option for classic, classic+kunark, or classic+kunark+velious on launch. If the last option wins it will be 18 months until Luclin launches.

Removed alot of new stuff like out of combat regen, redoing PoH, PoF and some other zones to as close as possible to classic.

Hint at quarm for a second server name. People saying it might be a seasonal server or perhaps a PoP locked server.

classes/races unlocked at their perspective expansions.

reduced xp.


No word if monks, mages and some other stuff will be scaled back to a classic experience.

[Grubbz]

They should make it F2p and watch the server explode lol

[Mandalore93]

I'm torn between wanting to do this and play through PoP+ on a populated server or play on P2002 and get a full classic experience but with low population. :*(

[Millburn]

Apparently they're going to be reverting some of the old zones back. Even this small gesture is enough to keep me interested. It's the small things that you have to show appreciation for so I'll definitely be giving it a go.

[Mandalore93]

That would be cool. I know some of the revamped zones had new drops in it that would destroy classic content stuff. Lavastorm in particular had some very good items in the mid 20-30s that would be BIS in classic.

[Knuckle]

That's all it ever is.

The first progression servers that I played on live had the revamp lavastrom and freeport sewers loot dropping during classic rendering whole swaths of classic gear moot. During the last ones, if I recall correctly because I didn't play, they had the out of combat regen system in place for the whole game.

You are correct to question this stuff because, unless you see something specifically to the contrary, you can assume that "progression" is purely about content unlocks in name only...It's just that content from the current game, pretty much, with exceptions.

They don't go in and restore the game to actually BE like it was in each era, if that's what you are looking for, basically.

yeah its going to suck dick, people are retarded. its going to have 15 expansions of tweaks and fucks to make it pointless.

[Bigtokes]

I wish this was truly classic with non-revamped zones and items dropping from original mobs. I could do without the spell book to 35 but blind at night was good times. Paid to be a dark elf.

[Cookiefist]

I am going to try it. So if anyone here wants to level up together or something shoot me a pm. Although i wont be hardcore and would only be playing after my kids goto sleep @ 9:30 eastern time!