Resist change feedback

[lite]

Gotta go to school, someone please for the love of God post some feedback on the resist changes!

[Littlegyno 13.0]

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brb gotta go 2 skool

[Qtip]

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/mexico_95509983.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1

brb gotta go 2 skool

Haha

[Guido]

shut your beetle mouth gyno

you fucking worm

[vouss]

See Colgate thread from weeks ago for input

[lite]

See Colgate thread from weeks ago for input

Could care less about reading Nirgon and Colgate losing their mind about what red is supposed to be like, I just want to hear about the final actually implemented product.

[Sektor]

Cleric nukes better be working !!!

[Nirgon]

If they are getting resisted by people with the 190+ MR that we needed for broken Malosini, it was working as intended

u2 and your requests for lure strength bard chants/cleric nuke gives me the luls

[Sektor]

If they are getting resisted by people with the 190+ MR that we needed for broken Malosini, it was working as intended

u2 and your requests for lure strength bard chants/cleric nuke gives me the luls

Been playing a cleric for a long time. Their nukes never got fully resisted, they would get partial at times but not often at all. Cleric nukes were landing fully 7/10 times and would get partialed maybe 3 out of the 10 times, never fully resisted ever.

[Colgate]

cleric nukes did not land on live except on naked, unbuffed targets

working as intended

[lite]

cleric nukes did not land on live except on naked, unbuffed targets

working as intended

http://media.giphy.com/media/5xtDarDFtx1uQhOC44E/giphy.gif

[Colgate]

feels so goog knowing that when sektor keyboard turns to find me, manually clicks on me, and then clicks on his reckoning spell gem that it will never, ever do any damage to me

[billhollins]

Been playing a cleric for a long time. Their nukes never got fully resisted, they would get partial at times but not often at all. Cleric nukes were landing fully 7/10 times and would get partialed maybe 3 out of the 10 times, never fully resisted ever.

That's sum high level math there boi!! You and lite go to skools toghether?

[Sektor]

cleric nukes did not land on live except on naked, unbuffed targets

working as intended

Firstly did you even play eq live?

Secondly you're reaching, I'm good friends with Danadaf (cleric botb winner from tallon zek) and I can tell you now he was getting all sorts of cleric kills back in classic during the Classic/Kunark/Velious era, I talked to the guy literally 4 weeks ago about the good old days.

Dunno who's feeding these developers false information but players should get majorly penalized for sending Haydar or any other developer false info.

[lite]

Firstly did you even play eq live?

Secondly you're reaching, I'm good friends with Danadaf (cleric botb winner from tallon zek) and I can tell you now he was getting all sorts of cleric kills back in classic during the Classic/Kunark/Velious era, I talked to the guy literally 4 weeks ago about the good old days.

Dunno who's feeding these developers false information but players should get majorly penalized for sending Haydar or any other developer false info.

ohhh shitt

[Colgate]

Dunno who's feeding these developers false information but players should get majorly penalized for sending Haydar or any other developer false info.

agreed, can't wait for you to get permabanned for a 3rd? 4th? time

[Sektor]

agreed, can't wait for you to get permabanned for a 3rd? 4th? time

See pvp bugs reckoning thread, also if I had to call every old school TZ cleric to come out of the wood works to back my claims I will. :)

[Tassador]

See pvp bugs reckoning thread, also if I had to call every old school TZ cleric to come out of the wood works to back my claims I will. :)

Lol please do I really think we need some input on resist here. Let's get as many love players from 15 years ago to post some info up on these boards to many trolls.

[Nirgon]

played eq live

cleric nukes completely unusable against 120+MR deal with it

If you want people wearing less gear and you are comfortable risking your own.. ask for item loot

[lite]

played eq live

cleric nukes completely unusable against 120+MR deal with it

If you want people wearing less gear and you are comfortable risking your own.. ask for item loot

Idk about that, old man. The weasel is the highest yt getting cleric. Sks get ksd by him daily.

[Agatha]

im sure these resist changes will be fine.

[snufzaimoverlord]

feels so goog knowing that when sektor keyboard turns to find me, manually clicks on me, and then clicks on his reckoning spell gem that it will never, ever do any damage to me

Lol'd

[LostCause]

i also played live at 5 years old PRAS

[Haynar]

On page 3.

Still looking for useful feedback.

H

[Lev_Mer]

These retards are still playing so... still some tweaks to make...

when they leave, you are done

[Colgate]

haven't been able to test stuff yet, any chance of getting the beta server back up?

would be much easier considering i can just dupe rogue poisons by copying character over and over, box multiple characters, etc.

also, were any changes made to bard chants and z-axis? those were the only problems that i didn't see mentioned in patch notes and were still broken when i did my tests on beta

[Littlegyno 13.0]

On Rallos Zek the resists were a little skewed. Most people rolled with only no drop gear except with their pals.

So a cleric COULD get kills because we all had no drop shit on due to the fear of being ganked. Remember multiple times, Fyrefist, a cleric of the 60th circle of the Peacebreakers would land full nukes on me at like 80-100 MR.

[Genedin]

True story.

[Kergan]

No prof to back this up at all but I kinda remember cleric nukes almost always landing but almost always hitting for shit damage. Basically the opposite of how I remember enchanter nukes, almost always resisted but when the landed it usually hit close to max.

no prof tho

[Efwan]

IIRC they were definitely very rarely resisted and I remember reckoning hitting for maybe 480ish? Not sure how much it hits for here. Cleric nukes do not make clerics op by any means, velious makes it very hard to solo pvp, kunark is a cleric playground imo since even raid buffed chars have less than 3k hp for the most part.

[Haynar]

These retards are still playing so... still some tweaks to make...

when they leave, you are done

Been trying to get stuff together to nerf melee dps. Not going fast as i wanted.

H

[Colgate]

pvp only or across the board?

[Nirgon]

On page 3.

Still looking for useful feedback.

H

Malosini isn't fucked up OP anymore

You are victorious

Rest feels pretty good, need some more time

[Smedy]

haven't been able to test much but very excited about the changes, thank god for the malosini / blind shit being a thing of the past, what is the new flavor i wonder

[Tune]

id test but...

u know

HEH

inb4 the hate replies

i will still be the only ever positive poster on here

[Haynar]

id test but...

u know

HEH

inb4 the hate replies

i will still be the only ever positive poster on here

+1

[Genedin]

Been trying to get stuff together to nerf melee dps. Not going fast as i wanted.

H

I'm happy to hear this. Rogue backstab and 2 handers doing insane dmg like always. Never remember getting flat-lined in seconds by a melee in live like you do here.

Thanks for your efforts I know everyone here appreciates it greatly.

[Jimmybones]

I'm happy to hear this. Rogue backstab and 2 handers doing insane dmg like always. Never remember getting flat-lined in seconds by a melee in live like you do here.

Thanks for your efforts I know everyone here appreciates it greatly.

"2 handers doing insane damage"

lol do you even play here bro?

[Crazycloud]

"2 handers doing insane damage"

lol do you even play here bro?

Yeah seriously? do you play here? 2hander dmg is SHIT.

[heartbrand]

2 handers doing insane dmg? Wut is this guy on?

[Quiet]

Summary of resist changes = Azrael now has 20 useless shaman/ench they rerolled. If rogue BS gets nerfed, they might as well start looking for a home in fresh, won't even be a guild anymore.

[Crazycloud]

Summary of resist changes = Azrael now has 20 useless shaman/ench they rerolled. If rogue BS gets nerfed, they might as well start looking for a home in fresh, won't even be a guild anymore.

I don't usually agree with Quiet statements but man hes dead on LOL.

[LostCause]

hey aleast they didnt quit the server for 2 years and suddenly come back.

[Pikrib]

cleric nukes did not land on live except on naked, unbuffed targets

working as intended

played eq live

cleric nukes completely unusable against 120+MR deal with it

If you want people wearing less gear and you are comfortable risking your own.. ask for item loot

Colgate and Nirgon are correct. Cleric nukes sucked on live. I would get a ton of full resists and partials. This was on RZ where people were pvping in nodrop had low MR. One thing that amazed me when I first started this server was how well my cleric nukes worked. This sucks but it is more classic.

[Crazycloud]

Also pretty sure they didn't get guild disbanded by rogean and lost server population.

NEXT

[Nirgon]

So glad we have a dev team that cares and removes broken shit from pvp

Best of luck to all the people who rolled shamans to try to grief/abuse it

I heard rogues are good

Was legitimately worried Rogean would disband us when someone petitioned about how the patch caused our repop mobs to despawn. Sorry we were too lazy for raid for another 2 hours at 3am, we'll do better next time.

- Xo,
Guild Holocosts

[Smedy]

I'm happy to hear this. Rogue backstab and 2 handers doing insane dmg like always. Never remember getting flat-lined in seconds by a melee in live like you do here.

Thanks for your efforts I know everyone here appreciates it greatly.

not sure about this one, my sk with best in slot 2hander swinging for 26 seems highly unclassic, i had a 50 sk on live with a weapon at less damage that was never hitting below 70 in pvp, 2 handers are garbage here

however.... rogues, monks and warrior yeah, they are hitting hard, also monks avoidance is a little to high, i think they tank better then warriors without defensive at this point

[Smedy]

hey aleast they didnt quit the server for 2 years and suddenly come back.

LOL

[FaithlessKR]

not sure about this one, my sk with best in slot 2hander swinging for 26 seems highly unclassic, i had a 50 sk on live with a weapon at less damage that was never hitting below 70 in pvp, 2 handers are garbage here

however.... rogues, monks and warrior yeah, they are hitting hard, also monks avoidance is a little to high, i think they tank better then warriors without defensive at this point

Monk avoidance is classic. On my dark guild in tallon zek we actually monk tanked a lot of our content because they would actually take less damage than warriors (without defensive).

[Nirgon]

LOL

How's losing to Holo/croots in rags with a 2 year head start farming Kunark feel

Probably not that funny when you think about it

[vouss]

What are you talking about old man

[Samsung]

Did a couple pvp skirmishes on the cleric. Nice to know that Cyren couldn't cripple/weaken me with the amount of mr I had, never gave him the chance to keep me tashed for longer then 2 seconds tho.

[Eslade]

Monk avoidance is classic. On my dark guild in tallon zek we actually monk tanked a lot of our content because they would actually take less damage than warriors (without defensive).

yaw, we used a monk for a few dragons during velious. it's classic sadly.

[Nirgon]

What are you talking about old man

the old man's off his meds today watch out

[Grimjaw]

Been trying to get stuff together to nerf melee dps. Not going fast as i wanted.

H

I bet a lot would be fixed if the backstab mechanic was classic - aka no frontal backstab garbage BS and other small thins like that

[Humerox]

Summary of resist changes = Azrael now has 20 useless shaman/ench they rerolled. If rogue BS gets nerfed, they might as well start looking for a home in fresh, won't even be a guild anymore.

apps denied

[Genedin]

not sure about this one, my sk with best in slot 2hander swinging for 26 seems highly unclassic, i had a 50 sk on live with a weapon at less damage that was never hitting below 70 in pvp, 2 handers are garbage here

however.... rogues, monks and warrior yeah, they are hitting hard, also monks avoidance is a little to high, i think they tank better then warriors without defensive at this point

I've been saying this for a long time. To me, monks are hands down the best melee class in the game. The avoidance is insane and they hit like a truck, jousting a monk with my warrior who has pretty good gear, its almost always me missing on my swings and them smashing me like I'm not wearing armor. With stone-stance monks can tank most raids mobs, have high dps, and with iksar and fungi you are going to regen most of the joust dmg during a battle.

Rogues backstab dmg is still too high but at least they take damage.

Honestly feels like my warrior is kind of gimp these days compared to how he used to be, not taking into account mighty strike.

I do agree on the minimum value of swings, even with oggok cleaver I would hit for 60 dmg sometimes which seems really silly but I'm not sure how classic that is or not.

[Ragnaros]

apps denied

[Colgate]

stonestance lasts like 12 seconds

[Bardalicious]

On Rallos Zek the resists were a little skewed. Most people rolled with only no drop gear except with their pals.

So a cleric COULD get kills because we all had no drop shit on due to the fear of being ganked. Remember multiple times, Fyrefist, a cleric of the 60th circle of the Peacebreakers would land full nukes on me at like 80-100 MR.


Smartest thing this man has ever said. Of course shit was easier to land on live during classic. On top of the wearing nodrop issue, most people weren't neck-bearding know-it-alls that have had 16 years to learn about every piece of armor they should be wearing in the game.

[Genedin]

stonestance lasts like 12 seconds

Seen Gongshow and Jib tank dragons with it and succeed.

[Kergan]

A lot of guilds used monk tanks in Velious once you get SoDs to hold agro. Monks were originally built around having low AC items with an AC bonus when underweight. Velious hosed that up big time by adding crap like 60 AC monk legs. They also have 50 more dodge skill and use block instead of parry (higher "proc" chance if I remember correctly).

Defensive/Evasive obviously a big deal and still makes warriors preferred, but if you can handle the healing without it you remove some complexity of a sudden increase in damage or having to tank switch.

Monks are the most op'd class in Vel, after they get triple attack. Also a fungus tunic with +10 resist all and 100 hp that is monk only. And a right click from inventory 3 slot/3 second cast dispel only clickable by monks and necros.

[Eslade]

A lot of guilds used monk tanks in Velious once you get SoDs to hold agro. Monks were originally built around having low AC items with an AC bonus when underweight. Velious hosed that up big time by adding crap like 60 AC monk legs. They also have 50 more dodge skill and use block instead of parry (higher "proc" chance if I remember correctly).

Defensive/Evasive obviously a big deal and still makes warriors preferred, but if you can handle the healing without it you remove some complexity of a sudden increase in damage or having to tank switch.

Monks are the most op'd class in Vel, after they get triple attack. Also a fungus tunic with +10 resist all and 100 hp that is monk only. And a right click from inventory 3 slot/3 second cast dispel only clickable by monks and necros.

http://i.imgur.com/skpLu.jpg

[Colgate]

Seen Gongshow and Jib tank dragons with it and succeed.

ya i'm just saying it has nothing to do with tanking really, whirlwind or voiddance would end up being much better if you need to disc to stay alive

the only thing good about stonestance is that it has a 4 minute cooldown

we had 30-35 in VP one time doing xygoz, tank went down, and i tanked him from 65% until he was dead without needing a single heal

monks real fukin goog

[Smedy]

ya monk totally op, so high avoidance they avoid getting nerfed from staff, shits unclassic

haynar u heard us, take a look at that avoidance, you can't hit them in pvp

[FaithlessKR]

ya monk totally op, so high avoidance they avoid getting nerfed from staff, shits unclassic

haynar u heard us, take a look at that avoidance, you can't hit them in pvp

No....it's actually extremely classic. Monks never got nerfed until well after PoP, losing your touch smedy dawg.

[Efwan]

No....it's actually extremely classic. Monks never got nerfed until well after PoP, losing your touch smedy dawg.

+1

[Kergan]

Monk tanky stuff got nerfed in Luclin like a week before PoP I thought? Regardless, wasn't in Velious. One of the last major patches in Velious gave them triple attack in fact, lol.

The hybrids get a ton of buffs in Velious (skill cap increases, disciplines, detrimental spell casting time reduction) but I don't think any other class gets as much of a boost in Velious as a monk. Plus they scale as well as any class in that you can't really get too many of them at a raid.

I have a lvl 52 monk I should probably level up.

[FaithlessKR]

Monk tanky stuff got nerfed in Luclin like a week before PoP I thought? Regardless, wasn't in Velious. One of the last major patches in Velious gave them triple attack in fact, lol.

The hybrids get a ton of buffs in Velious (skill cap increases, disciplines, detrimental spell casting time reduction) but I don't think any other class gets as much of a boost in Velious as a monk. Plus they scale as well as any class in that you can't really get too many of them at a raid.

I have a lvl 52 monk I should probably level up.

I thought it was the end of PoP, but I could be mistaken and it being the end of luclin..shit was like 15 years ago and it's a little hazy.

[Kergan]

Yep, I could easily be remembering it wrong. I just know it wasn't in Velious!

[Colgate]

i was fucking around on beta unbuffed and aggro'd sontalak

his attack round was always like

miss
miss
block
dodge
miss
400
125

[Thrilla]

triple atk monks in velious, mmmm

[Kergan]

triple atk monks in velious, mmmm

Makes you think huh

Necros get arch lich I guess.

[Thrilla]

Makes you think huh

Necros get arch lich I guess.

and augment upgrade to pets lol!

[Kergan]

At least no more cleric BPs so you can mana pump people on raids for something to do

[Lasher]

Curious how AC working for classes. No hard numbers but i feel s war standing toe to toe to a rog both will have same hit rates and dmg mitugation. I remember in velious warriors were hard to to do sny dmg too. Here its all about HPs


Like warrior defensive doesnt do anything in pvp

Rog and monk accuracy seems high when hitting an almost BIS warrior. Not sure about warrior. Dont see any outside holo but probably high too

2hnders kind of a joke. Seeing 40+ dmg weapon hit for like 20dmg makes dick limp

[Kergan]

AC effects the damage per hit, nothing to do with mitigation. Warriors cap at 175 dodge, 230 parry and 225 riposte while rogues cap at 210 dodge, 230 parry and 225 riposte giving them better avoidance.

[Lasher]

How much dmg is done...well not done per hit is the definition of mitigation

[Sektor]

Warriors hit for shit. Mines basically parked in VP. Never plan on playing him. Did a bunch of pvping. Enchanters aren't as op anymore but r still good. Colgate does crap damage also and has a his monk. Was hitting me for 50 damage a bunch of times.

[Kergan]

How much dmg is done...well not done per hit is the definition of mitigation

Sorry you are 100% right I don't know why I read that as avoidance when it clearly said mitigation. It was late. :)

[Genedin]

Trading Warrior epic MQ and full cobalt set for monk items pst

[Kergan]

Trading Warrior epic MQ and full cobalt set for monk items pst

lol

[GradnerLives]

Monks can't mitigate procs and AE's. I suspect we'll still have a lot of need for raw HP tanks going forward.

AC could certainly use a bit of tweaking, but I do definitely remember monks being absolutely OP in velious era, despite being 14 at the time and still getting school bus boners.

[Nirgon]

decked out ogre war with boulders is very fucking stronk

If I had one I wouldn't reroll it into a brand new monk just sayin'

[Kergan]

It's also harder to gear out a warrior. If you got that far might as well keep going!

I will be there day 1 Velious storming the beach with my level 60 epic guised ogre warrior.

[Samsung]

decked out ogre war with boulders is very fucking stronk

If I had one I wouldn't reroll it into a brand new monk just sayin'

Warriors r shit right now

[Qtip]

You could play an enchanter, fully strip your opponents buffs and still cant land a glamour of kintaz(-10magic mod).

[r34m]

a bow of underfoot + high damage arrows does more damage than throwing boulders. am I missing something? yes slightly longer delay but unlimited ammo makes up for it.