Current Sky Schedule

[Daldaen]

In lieu of IB/A-Team merging and the old thread being closed, IMO a new Sky thread is warranted. AM / PM times are assumed to be roughly EST/EDT time zones.

Sunday - AM - TMO/(Infernus), PM - Haggard Krew/Anonymous
Monday - AM - Europa, PM - Indignation
Tuesday - Rampage
Wednesday - AM - Omni, PM - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM/ early PM - Azure Guard, Late PM - Asgard

Is this currently correct?

[randomhero401]

Haggard Krew would like to take over Sunday PM

[Daldaen]

Haggard Krew would like to take over Sunday PM

With A-Team vacating their previous Sunday Evening slot, that should be doable.

I forget the way adding guilds was previously handled. But I think that if TMO for example wanted to shift from AM to PM sky they would be given that option, because they had previously raided sky that day at a time they were less excited about taking?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

If other guilds who don't currently have a slot post here and figure out a day that's open and work for you, I can update the post. So it sounds like Anonymous and Haggard Krew are both interested in a slot. Are any other guilds without one looking?

[arsenalpow]

Anonymous is probably looking for a slot too.

[Daldaen]

Anonymous is probably looking for a slot too.

In that case I'll wait for them (and any other guilds looking for a slot) to post and figure out an open time that works for them before I update the post.

I don't want to update it without giving new guilds all an opportunity to post.

[zanderklocke]

I think Lord Bob is looking for a slot. ;)

[Ella`Ella]

In all honesty - it was very difficult for a guild as large as TMO to share an AM/PM slot with another guild before the Rampage consolidation freed up the PM slot of sunday.

As TMO has a such a significant player base, split largely between AM and PM players, it may not be possible for us to accommodate another guild on that day.

However, we certainly do not mind sharing the day when VP and priority raid targets are in window and on Sunday's when we may be on beta

[jpetrick]

When is the last time TMO hit sky with all these mobs in window on Sunday?

[Erati]

Taken is open to sharing Thursday - the AM slot has long been something we did initially to prevent disruptions to the PM raid and due to the of lack of interest from guilds taking over the slot officially

If you are a guild looking to join Sky rotation and are interested in AM Sky on Thursday, PM me with your pitch and I will respond with what we would like to see with the morning spot in terms of scheduling so that the PM Sky raid is not affected

[randomhero401]

In all honesty - it was very difficult for a guild as large as TMO to share an AM/PM slot with another guild before the Rampage consolidation freed up the PM slot of sunday.

As TMO has a such a significant player base, split largely between AM and PM players, it may not be possible for us to accommodate another guild on that day.

However, we certainly do not mind sharing the day when VP and priority raid targets are in window and on Sunday's when we may be on beta


You guys do have a significant player base but if you were able to work on sharing the sky slot in the past i don't see why it would be a problem now that it's opening up. I would still like to have that slot if it's available, once talking to the the additional guilds that want sky access.

[Ella`Ella]

You guys do have a significant player base but if you were able to work on sharing the sky slot in the past i don't see why it would be a problem now that it's opening up. I would still like to have that slot if it's available, once talking to the the additional guilds that want sky access.

It was always a challenge which inconvenienced both guilds and made it more stressful than it needed to be. We're likely to be taking both AM and PM shifts for AM and PM players when we're not sandwiched between mob windows on weekend.

[zanderklocke]

Couldn't TMO switch with a weekday guild that isn't going after targets all weekend?

Then two guilds could works something out on the weekend without having to worry about weekend raid targets changing things?

[arsenalpow]

Couldn't TMO switch with a weekday guild that isn't going after targets all weekend?

Then two guilds could works something out on the weekend without having to worry about raid targets changing things?

What happens when there's a hard reset and the windows change?

[Argh]

When Unbrella was the point of contact for arranging sky schedules with TMO it was a breeze for six or so months. If it is the same going forward, he will likely make it easy on whichever guild takes over the slot.

[Pint]

The issues arise with the bee queen timer, none of the guilds wanting the slot are ready to progress past 5 atm. Am I wrong about this?

[Lenamas]

Anonymous Is interested in Sky, Initially we would like the sunday PM slot, but if that is not available, we are willing to be flexible and work something else out.

-Gocli

[Kadron]

Anonymous is definitely interested in the Sunday slot.

[randomhero401]

I dont forsee us(haggard krew) being able to progress past that at the this moment.

[Lenamas]

Anonymous would also probably not be able to progress past Island five at the moment.

[Pint]

How would y'all feel about sharing the slot? I'm unsure what y'all's numbers look like.

[Daldaen]

Due to Sunday having been shared for the past several months, A-Team vacating the slot and it being a weekend, I had figured that would be a decent slot for Anonymous and Haggard Krew to consider raiding together (if you wanted to consider co-raiding, or you can talk to each other and figure out who can aim for this Sunday slot). I'd say talk with TMO/Unbrella as Argh suggested to try and find something that works out for you guys.

If either guild has enough players who don't work typical EST work hours, Thursday AM may be available to you. PM Erati if that's the case

Other than that the only other times would be Tuesday AM and Friday AM, and you'd need to talk with Rampage or BDA about the ability to join/take their morning cycle.

As Pint mentioned - Sharing a slot may be wise as there are limited slots and many of them are AM times, which I'm unclear on what Timezone your guilds tend to be active in.

[randomhero401]

I think both of us are mostly active in the evening. Hence why we were both looking to take over the PM slot for Sunday. I am up for working together and making this something that's realistic rather then just pen on paper. I will work on reaching out to Unbrella and an officer of Anon tonight.

[Kalanis]

I will definitely let the other officers know of the co-raid interest. We are primarily a PM guild as well so we look forward to discussing it further with you randomhero.

Officer of Anonymous
Kalanis - 52 Druid
Eventine - 53 Bard
Slayyn - 37 Warrior

"You have problems, I have solutions!"

[randomhero401]

Eventine we have talked before in game. Please shoot me a tell - Sset

[Argh]

In the event that there are a few different guilds looking to to assume the vacated Sunday PM slot, I think that maybe the best thing to do would be to simply turn it into a weekly public sky raid.

Im sure between all the guilds that are currently doing sky and the guilds interested in doing sky, we can find various people who can commit to leading it, or funding stones for it.

[khanable]

^ team building exercises!

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[Poltergist]

If you think having a slot dedicated as an open sky raid slot is a good idea than it should come from one of the guilds that have two slots. Rampage is a newer guild than both Haggard Krew and Anonymous, yet rampage gets two slots and Haggard and Anonymous have to be in an open raid in order to do sky?

Not trolling or trying to violate the spirit of the discussion but that doesn't seem fair.

[zanderklocke]

In the event that there are a few different guilds looking to to assume the vacated Sunday PM slot, I think that maybe the best thing to do would be to simply turn it into a weekly public sky raid.

Im sure between all the guilds that are currently doing sky and the guilds interested in doing sky, we can find various people who can commit to leading it, or funding stones for it.

This assumes that the guilds currently not doing sky who want a sky slot want to share their slot as an open raid to the entire server. Might want to see what the guilds looking for a sky spot currently think about this idea.

[randomhero401]

This assumes that the guilds currently not doing sky who want a sky slot want to share their slot as an open raid to the entire server. Might want to see what the guilds looking for a sky spot currently think about this idea.

Not only this but if we were to share with more of the server why couldn't rampage do the same? Why don't you drop your night slot and allow the guild's who dont have a shot get up there and attempt to clear it.

[jpetrick]

Everyone relax. It's not like you would have been able to find someone willing to run an open sky night. No one wants to lead a shitshow.

[zanderklocke]

Everyone relax. It's not like you would have been able to find someone willing to run an open sky night. No one wants to lead a shitshow.

Eabon's open sky raids were my favorite sky raids. With that being said, I'd like to see new guilds get a chance at an open slot.

[Argh]

Did this suddenly become rnf?

I was suggesting public sky as a possible solution to the potential problem of there being more than one guild wanting the one valuable weekend slot available.

If you're serious about wanting a weekday AM slot Eratani just offered one up earlier in this thread, or if that day isn't to your liking feel free to reach out to any guild (including rampage) that has a day that you would like to be a part of and try to work something out with them directly.

[arsenalpow]

The main issue is that the up and coming guilds very rarely have an AM crew and there's only 7 PM slots to be had. Additionally, Dolj will attempt to wreck your AM raid. We've been handling our business in Sky but Dolj likes to act like children, attempting to peel Azaracks with Tash, or really any mob. There's a pending petition in regards to how that should be addressed going forward.

[Feanol]

I happened to stumble in here. I'll leave soon sorry in advance.

As someone who has only raided planes on Red99, I am so confused by what I've been reading. It's like some kind of different language. I have no idea how you folks keep all these rules and schedules straight.

If some other guild is in Sky, we just kill them or die trying.

[khanable]

I happened to stumble in here. I'll leave soon sorry in advance.

As someone who has only raided planes on Red99, I am so confused by what I've been reading. It's like some kind of different language. I have no idea how you folks keep all these rules and schedules straight.

If some other guild is in Sky, we just kill them or die trying.

I can understand this stuff being alien to a red player. We don't have the luxury of just killing our foes here. However, I don't think it should be looked down upon; the plane of sky on a pve server is a massive pain in the ass due to how the mobs spawn and keys. If anything, the sky slot system, despite some bickering and seeming to be a pain in the ass, has been largely successful and has alleviated a lot of headaches on blue.

Quite frankly, sky is already awful with time slots, it would basically be the worst thing in the world without them.

[Pint]

sky rotation been going strong for over 2 years now

[Confit]

Did this suddenly become rnf?

Not at all, just sharing ideas.

Not enough boobies or pure hatred for others in a 15 year old game simulator for this to be RnF!

[Lenamas]

Hi Guys,

Gocli from Anonymous here. We have been in discussion with TMO and Haggard crew for the sunday pm slot. Haggard and Anonymous have reached an agreement to share Sunday PM slot. We will be claiming this slot pending a final response from TMO.

Thanks Guys!

[khanable]

good luck up there haggard/anon!


sky is a cancer

:D

[Lenamas]

Thanks, Khan!

We are all super excited!

[Snicklefrittz]

Hyjal and his goons waited in Sky until Anonymous and Haggard Krew got up there, then started killing key mobs. Classy Lord Bob.

[Pint]

Hyjal and his goons up waited in Sky until Anonymous and Haggard Krew got up there, then started killing key mobs. Classy Lord Bob.

sounds about right

[Hyjal]

Man up.

[Vilkata]

And to think people say instanced zones killed EQ. It only stopped people from being dicks with raid content.

[Errakus]

Man up.

I missed the phone notification.

[Speed3863]

correction...he TRIED to steal the key mobs but got beat to it because he wiped on island 2...but being as he was keyed already he stole the boss from island 3 and left us giving double dutch rutters to each other on island 3. However it was nice to see us ( haggard krew ) and anonymous working together for the first time. Overall success in our book just would have liked to have done more. Also, it wasnt just lord bob that screwed us, it was other random people from random guilds ( taken,knights who say ni,infernus ) and other scrubs. Well played though, we learned something from this experience. Hopefully next time he does this to other guilds it can be only doljihomosexuals and not just the random twats that he can pick up that need gear.
Wiggledunk Haggard Krew

[Daldaen]

PM me and let me know who from Taken participated in sky that ruined your key run please.

[Sallan]

Have cleared up most of it via PM's

[Faffnirr]

Hello my name is Bahumet from Doljo. First of all i would like to state in regards to the sky raid that haggard crew is referencing to yes we did block them from progressing past isle 3. This BY NO MEANS reflex's towards individual's who were there with us during this time. It was not there decision to do so and the blame for the act should rightfully fall onto us. I fail to see the point as to thinking they are such terrible people for deciding to go on a raid. If you want to blame anyone blame me for pulling Gorg / KoS. Secondly this is a game, I myself think of sky as a chess match and truthfully who ever wants to play chess by themselves. We blocked you from progressing past isle 3 just like TMO or IB on the release of velious is going to block each other from progressing that's how this game is played. The next time you go up to sky truthfully you may or may not see of there but my suggestion is to learn from what happened and play the chess match better the next time around. Dolj doesn't have a day to go up to sky and be uninterrupted so for us every raid we do ends up being a race or a train war or some other form or another. We lose probably 50 percent if not more of them but we always come back up the next day and do it all over again. Because it is chess and its just entertaining to play it.

[Kadron]

Sky can be a race, I see that. We beat you to island 3, you guys went to island 4 keeping us from progressing. Nice move, it happens. Pulling OUR mobs off of OUR island is BS. That is K/Sing OUR mobs. That is NOT a chess move, that is taking our mobs and and seems like it should be against server rules. Then the classy move of taunting us saying how you claimed our mobs and linking the loot in shout. Classy, my 5 year old niece couldn't have done it better. I see your guild going far.

[Byel]

1. Doljotards estimation of losing 50% of the time is grossly under estimated. They are pathetic and lose everytime they have tried to kill anything worth killing when pitted against the raid guilds.

2. It might be a idea for your members to figure out times to port up while the other guilds are doing their runs (coordinated w the guilds of course). Alot of times if keys aren't needed some trash will be left up.. tedious for sure, but a way to help gather more keys on corpses to ensure those twats don't ruin your day every week?

Congrats anon and haggard. Glad to see yall progressing!

[Errakus]

Sky can be a race, I see that. We beat you to island 3, you guys went to island 4 keeping us from progressing. Nice move, it happens. Pulling OUR mobs off of OUR island is BS. That is K/Sing OUR mobs. That is NOT a chess move, that is taking our mobs and and seems like it should be against server rules.

This isn't rants and flames, Doljonijiarnimorinar took a risky move to bypass isle 3 and beat you to isle 4.

You didn't FTE the mobs, so how was it YOUR mob exactly? How does killing something in an area constitute kill stealing? Does zoning into somewhere claim the rights to the zone? Because we had someone in there for hours before anyone else came up, by your logic, you came in and stole "our zone".

Also, there's a way to get to Isle 4 without the entire raid having keys.

[Man0warr]

Hyjal is a joke.

[Kadron]

I'll go ahead with one more post.

"Kill Stealing
Kill Stealing can be defined as the intentional engagement by a player to a mob that is already engaged by other un-allied players, or a mob that clearly belongs to a player/group's area of claim.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy."

Those are the stated rules. Our area of claim was island 3. You guys had no access to island 3. You can key or corpse to 4 and you did, beating our claim to that island. Good for you. All you had to do was leave us to our island and everything would be good.


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[Errakus]

I'll go ahead with one more post.

"Kill Stealing
Kill Stealing can be defined as the intentional engagement by a player to a mob that is already engaged by other un-allied players, or a mob that clearly belongs to a player/group's area of claim.

The intent of this rule is discourage and make note of habitual Kill Stealers, not to punish those who honestly try to work together or those who make an honest mistake. Its enforcement by the Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will reflect this philosophy."

Those are the stated rules. Our area of claim was island 3. You guys had no access to island 3. You can key or corpse to 4 and you did, beating our claim to that island. Good for you. All you had to do was leave us to our island and everything would be good.

So, if I poopsock the nobles up top and another guild FTE's when I clearly have the camp, that would apply. And we should all know it doesn't there...

It doesn't apply at all in PoSky as far as I know. Unless a GM would like to come and post here and clarify.

Thanks for copy/pasting the rules that don't matter in this circumstance.

[Hyjal]

I asked if you guys wanted to team up, but I was told to duck myself. So before you guys even got to isle 3, Keeper of Souls PH and Gorgalask were already pulled. You can pull everything to island 2, just FYI. We didn't have to go to island 4. Infact, we never stepped foot on the isle until after the earthquake, when we did sky for a second time, long after you were gone.

You guys spent 10 minutes turning in broken mirrors. That did not help your cause, and is certainly not our fault. You also had a raid force of 30 in zone before we even ported up. You guys will get better, but for now...You'll just have to suck it up until you improve and earn keys. We went through the same process. We never made posts complaining about it either.

As far as not being successful, just ask BDA. We beat them to named regularly, and last Friday, we beat them to every single named we attempted. They sat around for 3 hours looking at themselves. That's not really saying much, because after all... It is BDA we are talking about. They also do the same thing to us from time to time.

At any hour of the day or night, we can have a raid force. It could be midnight, 4am, 8am, 5pm, it doesn't matter. If we weren't successful in what we are doing, you guys wouldn't be so salty. That's a fact.

[Raev]

Raid targets go to the guild that engages them first + pulls them directly back to camp and kills them. You cannot camp them (otherwise Phara Dar would be a permanent poopsock). If you wish to compete more effectively with Dolj, have your members get a full set of keys with other guilds so you can move around freely.

[Troubled]

As far as not being successful, just ask BDA. We beat them to named regularly, and last Friday, we beat them to every single named we attempted. They sat around for 3 hours looking at themselves. That's not really saying much, because after all... It is BDA we are talking about. They also do the same thing to us from time to time.


Quit talking out of your ass.

[Errakus]

Raid targets go to the guild that engages them first + pulls them directly back to camp and kills them. If you wish to compete more effectively with Dolj, have your members get a full set of keys with other guilds so you can move around freely.

Exactly, and we don't even have a full set of keys yet. We are racing the content with another guild racing/needing the same content, the way the game was designed to be played. Sorry you guys missed out, I didn't get the batphone cause I failed at twitter and didn't get anything either.

[Daldaen]

Please keep Flaming out of my thread, that goes for everyone.

This thread is to be used to discuss the current rotation on sky most every guild participates in. It sounds like Infernus is taking AM Sky currently while TMO is focusing on Respawning bosses, atleast so long as they stay on Sundays?

[randomhero401]

We appreciate the opportunity that has been given to us so far in Sky. So thank you to all the members and guilds that are in the rotation for letting us to be apart of this. We will continue working with Anonymous on Sundays as long as we have ability too.

Sset
Leader of Haggard Krew

[Aviann]

You the man Sset, I know my time with yall was short but you are a cool mother fucker and I wish you the best of luck!

[Pint]

Please keep Flaming out of my thread, that goes for everyone.

This thread is to be used to discuss the current rotation on sky most every guild participates in. It sounds like Infernus is taking AM Sky currently while TMO is focusing on Respawning bosses, atleast so long as they stay on Sundays?

I don't speak for infernus but they have been going up after the Saturday pm clear in the early am hours so their clear would not affect tmo's Sunday clear even if windows were to shift back into the week.

[Kalanis]

Just wanted to say thank you guys for giving us a chance to gain a foot hold in this ever evolving raid scene. We will up or game next time and come with both guns blazing so to speak.



_________________

Kalanis - 52 Druid*
Eventine - 52 Bard*
Slayyn - 36 Warrior*
Human Resources Manager of Anonymous
"You have questions, I have answers!"

[Jenithia]

Does Lord Bob have a spot yet?

[Errakus]

Does Lord Bob have a spot yet?

Sunday - Doljonijiarnimorinar
Monday - Doljonijiarnimorinar
Tuesday - Doljonijiarnimorinar
Wednesday - Doljonijiarnimorinar
Thursday - Doljonijiarnimorinar
Friday - Doljonijiarnimorinar
Saturday - Doljonijiarnimorinar

All time slots.

[Detoxx]

If TMO can no longer make a presence in sky on Sunday AM slot, Forsaken would like to take said slot. Thanks!

TMO showed no presence last Sunday, 6/7 and Forsaken cleared it in the designated time slot.

[Slithor]

If TMO can no longer make a presence in sky on Sunday AM slot, Forsaken would like to take said slot. Thanks!

TMO showed no presence last Sunday, 6/7 and Forsaken cleared it in the designated time slot.

Forsaken is a new guild.

Haggard Krew would appreciate the slot as we have been struggling to get a slot of our own for some time.

Thank you.

[MilanderTruewield]

As Anonymous technically is sharing the PM slot on Sundays with Haggard Krew, if Haggard takes over the AM slot (this is 7am, right?), Anonymous would therefore be left with the 7pm slot. Anonymous does not object.

[Man0warr]

Hagged Krew and Anon been awaiting their own spot for longer, should get it over some new guild IMO.

Unless you want to claim Forsaken is TMO reformed, Detoxx?

[portbitch69]

Unless you want to claim Forsaken is TMO reformed, Detoxx?

Stfu with this troll attempt.

The guild that can clear the whole plane by them self, quickly, should be more deserving of the spot?

[wormed]

Stfu with this troll attempt.

The guild that can clear the whole plane by them self, quickly, should be more deserving of the spot?

No?

The guild with seniority who has been waiting for a spot should have priority. Seeing as how Forsaken is brand new, get to the back of the line.

[portbitch69]

True, but purposely leaving the plane uncleared seems a little silly. Forsaken might want to share. But if a guild cant clear it all, they should try to partner up with another guild that has been clearing the easy stuff for years. Taking over a whole day to only clear 1-5? Seems inefficient.

[MilanderTruewield]

If Anonymous and Haggard Krew know that they definitively have their slots, then Sky will not be left up. Both guilds will have their chance to clear the entire plane. Both guilds are too large to co-raid effectively. With the dissolution of TMO, and their lack of wanting their Sky slot, Haggard Krew and Anonymous being forced to share a PM slot is a bit unfair.

[portbitch69]

Just seems weird that some guilds have had a whole day of sky clearing for years, and won't allow any of these new guilds to share a day. Is Sunday really the prime day for everyone?

[randomhero401]

Haggard Krew will be taking the Sunday AM slot which we have been doing for awhile now since TMO has been camping out raid targets on Sunday. Once the Repop day got moved to Monday TMO took back the Morning slot and we were moved to PM to share with Anonymous.

Since TMO is not doing this anymore we will resume our role at doing Sunday Mornings. Forsaken should have no claim to takeover TMO's day since they are a separate entity. If they want a slot they need to go the same route that ourselves and anonymous did when we looked to claim a slot in sky.

[MilanderTruewield]

Anonymous agrees.

Anonymous will be going up tonight, per our Sunday PM slot, which we now have to ourselves since we are no longer forced to share it with another guild.

[Lojik]

I would advise guilds be civil in regards to this issue, as the sky agreement is player enforced and always tenuous. Forsaken was already judged by Rogean to be TMO reincarnated and punished with a two week suspension, so to turn around in this thread and try to push them out of a sky slot since they are a new guild seems short sighted and inconsistent. Do you want to compete with a class C guild for trash sky mobs?

[Man0warr]

But they disagreed with the suspension, stating they are a new entity. Can't have it both ways.

[Juryiel]

But server staff and a large number of other guilds (I'm assuming also BDA?) argued that Forsaken's wish to be seen as a new guild was invalid and that Rogean's suspension call was correct.

Without the suspension for killing class R I could see your 'new guild' point, but the suspension suggests that Forsaken's desire to be considered a new guild was not recognized as such by server staff or leadership of many guilds.

Also, I see that Thursday and Friday have 2 slots open, (e.g. only two sky days with a single guild), I wonder why one of the guilds that wants a slot doesn't just use one of those.

[Nightbear]

I wonder why one of the guilds that wants a slot doesn't just use one of those.

[Man0warr]

Those slots aren't open though - Rampage/Taken/BDA do both AM and PM.

I doubt any of these guilds will bother with Sky much after Velious so it may not matter soon.

[Juryiel]

Those slots aren't open though - Rampage/Taken/BDA do both AM and PM.

I doubt any of these guilds will bother with Sky much after Velious so it may not matter soon.

I guess to me that's a strange argument. This is a player agreement and it's in everyone's interest in having people share slots. Since these slots are limited, if any guild has two slots the right thing to do is to offer one up for new guilds, rather than taking two slots to everyone else's one slot.

It doesn't make sense to keep two slots for a single guild when other guilds capable of clearing sky have 0 slots.

[Nightbear]

Those slots aren't open though - Rampage/Taken/BDA do both AM and PM.
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lol!

[wormed]

Taken and BDA are "casual" Class R guilds but neckbeard in Sky for the whole day? Split those days up.

[Argh]

Those slots aren't open though - Rampage/Taken/BDA do both AM and PM..

We do not do AM sky. Guilds just typically do not want to do sky at 10am on a weekday, which is why weekend slots are so highly sought after.

[MilanderTruewield]

So let Forsaken have the AM slot on Rampage's day. They have a larger guild and can field more weekday numbers... makes sense to me.

[arsenalpow]

We do not do AM sky. Guilds just typically do not want to do sky at 10am on a weekday, which is why weekend slots are so highly sought after.

that's the answer you're looking for

no one wants an AM weekday slot

[MilanderTruewield]

True, but if they want a slot, as a newly formed guild (which is the picture they were trying to paint after Rogean raidbanned them) then they should take one of the available weekday AM slots. Rampage just said they don't go up in the morning. As it stands, Haggard has the AM Sunday slot, and Anonymous has the PM Sunday slot.

[Thulack]

Just seems weird that some guilds have had a whole day of sky clearing for years, and won't allow any of these new guilds to share a day. Is Sunday really the prime day for everyone?

Guilds have been willing to share their morning slots with guilds but the time slots arent good enough for them.

[Joyelle]

Taken has previously offered our AM Thursday Sky slot to both Anonymous and Haggard Krew, and they both turned it down. Nobody wants the weekday AM slots because it would mean the plane would need to be cleared early enough so the 12-hour spawns are back up for the PM raids.

[Erati]

Curious what Monday PM Sky ( tonight ) will look like with Indignation dissolving

Did they merge into another entity and will continue to clear Sky?

Anyone from the guild care to comment?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1938214&postcount=1

[Sampten]

Curious what Monday PM Sky ( tonight ) will look like with Indignation dissolving

Did they merge into another entity and will continue to clear Sky?

Anyone from the guild care to comment?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1938214&postcount=1

They merged with Asguard. In theory it'd be open?

[Fzhoul]

If it is open, anonymous would like to move to monday PM slot, and let forsaken and haggard krew split sunday as they desire.

[Erati]

If it is open, anonymous would like to move to monday PM slot, and let forsaken and haggard krew split sunday as they desire.

I guess this depends on some kind of official word from Indig and whether they plan on just using Asgard's spot ( Saturday ) or both Asgard and Indig move to Monday and Saturday becomes open

with Indig's keys set to rot tonight - Id assume they will be up there to at least key corpse possibly but I am just speculating and wondering mostly

[Pint]

We're going to go up tonight to gauge numbers, give us a day or two and we will open up either Saturday pm or Monday pm, it looks like we will be taking Monday pm but I don't want to stick my foot in my mouth.

[Misek84]

But they disagreed with the suspension, stating they are a new entity. Can't have it both ways.

This isnt RNF, so BDA please stop trolling here. Remember the sky rotation is completely player enforced, so its in everyones best interest to work this out and not troll

[Daldaen]

Asgard/Indignation (Asgarnation as they be known henceforth), should do basically as Pint says.

They'll check which day works best for their member base and pick Saturday/Monday slot.

Allowing Anon or Haggard to take the other PM slot (whichever Asgarnation didn't take) with the other guild keeping their Sunday slot.

Forsaken can work out an arrangement with one of them, or I am guessing because windows are bleeding into Tuesday, Rampage may cease to raid sky on their day? Possibly making that slot available for Forsaken to temporarily fill until raid days move. Or take one of the AM slots.

I believe that's the most fair and reasonable way to proceed.

[rafaone]

Previously Europa (Monday AM Slot) had an agreement in place with Indignation where we would rotate upper and lower between ourselves on this day.

One week, we would clear i1-5, they 6-8, the next week would be the opposite so as not to interfere with their raid time. We are happy to keep up this agreement with the next guild taking the PM slot if this is the case.

Please feel free to get in touch with myself or any of our other Officers if Monday PM is decided on.


Europa Officer Team

[Sampten]

Divinity has no interest in changing dates and will continue to operate Wednesdays with Omni.

We have a good working relationship and wish to continue the status quo.

[arsenalpow]

This isnt RNF, so BDA please stop trolling here. Remember the sky rotation is completely player enforced, so its in everyones best interest to work this out and not troll

how is he trolling?

[Pint]

Asgard is going to take the monday pm slot, saturday pm is now open

[Fzhoul]

Anonymous, is going to move to sat pm slot, to take Asgard old pm slot. This way forsaken and haggard can work out and share sunday sky slots. We will try to follow Asgards old port up time for 630 pm eastern/530 pm central as close as possible to be the least disruptive to Azure guard.

[Raidz]

pro troll game

debunked

[rafaone]

Welcome to the monday's party Asgard,

Keep in touch.

[Pint]

Welcome to the monday's party Asgard,

Keep in touch.

We're excited for the change and very happy to continue operating as Indignation operated in the slot before us. There will be no surprises from us.

[bktroost]

Anonymous, is going to move to sat pm slot, to take Asgard old pm slot. This way forsaken and haggard can work out and share sunday sky slots. We will try to follow Asgards old port up time for 630 pm eastern/530 pm central as close as possible to be the least disruptive to Azure guard.

Acknowledged.

[bktroost]

Also, I'd like to just put It out there That AG has been in line for a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday pm slot, but will not be changing our slot until then.

[Erati]

can anyone update the OP?

edit: bah forgot about forum editing /sigh

[Erati]

In lieu of IB/A-Team merging and the old thread being closed, IMO a new Sky thread is warranted. AM / PM times are assumed to be roughly EST/EDT time zones.

Sunday - AM - Haggard Krew, PM - Forsaken
Monday - AM - Europa, PM - Asgard
Tuesday - Rampage
Wednesday - AM - Omni, PM - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM/ early PM - Azure Guard, Late PM - Anyonymous


I think this is correct now....

[randomhero401]

Erati,

Haggard Krew will be doing AM On Sunday and I think Forsaken wanted to take over the PM slot.

Detoxx or anyone can you chime in if this works for you?

[Erati]

Erati,

Haggard Krew will be doing AM On Sunday and I think Forsaken wanted to take over the PM slot.

Detoxx or anyone can you chime in if this works for you?

I flipped you two around then while I could still edit my post.

but yea confirmation would be cool for the list to be official

[Ella`Ella]

Erati,

Haggard Krew will be doing AM On Sunday and I think Forsaken wanted to take over the PM slot.

Detoxx or anyone can you chime in if this works for you?

Forsaken has no interest in the PM slot. We will, however, be willing to uphold the same schedule you shared with TMO, with Forsaken in the AM slot.

Sset, if you can put this issue to bed, I'd be willing to revisit our Noble agreement.

[PollieDarkearth]

Divinity has no interest in changing dates and will continue to operate Wednesdays with Omni.

We have a good working relationship and wish to continue the status quo.


Also to elaborate - Divinity and Omni swap Bee Queen every other week to avoid the 12 hour timer issue that comes with sharing sky with an AM guild. Perhaps something similar on the weekends would benefit the sharing of the AM/PM slots.

[randomhero401]

Forsaken has no interest in the PM slot. We will, however, be willing to uphold the same schedule you shared with TMO, with Forsaken in the AM slot.

Sset, if you can put this issue to bed, I'd be willing to revisit our Noble agreement.



Ella,

I am going stand firm on us doing Sky in the AM. We were doing the AM slot when TMO didnt care about Sky because the Repops were priority. Forsaken is a new entity (Not TMO), with that being said if you don't want to take the Sunday PM slot that is available that is your decision.

As far as the Noble goes, i will make it known to the Server of what you were offering us. We agreed to rotate Nobles on Sunday and you turned this down. You offered us the 2nd noble if the stars aligned and there was 2 popping on that day. This was total bullshit and we turned that down because the repop day changed so we this wasn't an option for us at all.

What we offered was fair and i think this it was the best decision for both guilds but you wouldn't agree to it.

[wormed]

Lol, oh Forsaken. So far, so different, right?

[Pint]

to be fair there were 2 nobles that day and they knew there were 2 nobles that day until the ooa's despawned, they offered you a very fair agreement. you guys just didnt know how nobels work. also i doubt unbrella represents forsaken, hes prob just trolling.

[randomhero401]

Pint,

I knew that two Nobles were spawning on that cycle. That i was all fine and dandy for us but the problem was we didn't have everything ironed out before the reset shortly after that on Monday.

Once that happened every noble would have been their's unless they decided to skip it. So from our stand point this so called deal was totally in their favor, we would only get the scraps.

[Pint]

once the reset happened it would have been 3 weeks until it would have been their noble again so you would have had plenty of time to renegotiate.

[falkun]

IMO better to get the negotiations right the first time. In my experience with negotiations, "status quo" is often a hard starting point to move from.

[bktroost]

Could the leader of anonymous pm me to work out an agreement for noble on the Saturday slot they just entered into.

[Ozn]

IMO better to get the negotiations right the first time. In my experience with negotiations, "status quo" is often a hard starting point to move from.

This conversation shouldn't even involve the word 'negotiations'. If Forsaken is in fact presenting themselves as a newly formed guild then they shouldn't be utilizing past TMO negotiations and tenure as leverage for procuring a Sky slot. All reference to past TMO-related conversations, tenure, etc. should be null.

Every guild here has worked together to occupy the slots in a relatively amicable manner. Forsaken should get to the back of the line (like everyone else has) and be happy with what's been presented to them. This is a player-enforced schedule and the only players being unreasonable are from a new guild.

/lawyerquest off

[Mastere842]

This conversation shouldn't even involve the word 'negotiations'. If Forsaken is in fact presenting themselves as a newly formed guild then they shouldn't be utilizing past TMO negotiations and tenure as leverage for procuring a Sky slot. All reference to past TMO-related conversations, tenure, etc. should be null.

Every guild here has worked together to occupy the slots in a relatively amicable manner. Forsaken should get to the back of the line (like everyone else has) and be happy with what's been presented to them. This is a player-enforced schedule and the only players being unreasonable are from a new guild.

/lawyerquest off

Where was all this support that they are a new guild when they got suspended? So they should b suspended because they are NOT a new guild like GM stated, but at the same time they should lose thier slot because they are a new guild now. You trolls are funny say one thing in one tread and say the opposite in the other thread. Either they are a new guild and should have not been suspended but lost slot, or they are NOT a new guild and should have been suspended but retained slot. You trolls cant have it both ways that they get suspended and lose slot.

[Ella`Ella]

to be fair there were 2 nobles that day and they knew there were 2 nobles that day until the ooa's despawned, they offered you a very fair agreement. you guys just didnt know how nobels work.

The deal was very fair from our perspective. However, on that note, I'm also not known for making overwhelmingly one-sided deals either. TMO had maintained Sky Sunday for years. When A-Team and Inglourious Bastards merged, we were very excited to no longer share a day (an agreement I enforced our leadership to uphold out of respect for both Cobblestone and Argh during their respective leadership phases). We had no interest in sharing Sunday any longer, however it appears my kindness is now being viewed as weakness as I elected to work out an arrangement that let Haggard Krew raid Sky uninterrupted on Sundays. Further, we told you that you could even raid during our time when we weren't going to be in Sky.

From our perspective, we were the bigger guild and it's not really Class-C's nature to believe that everything is up for 50/50 grabs. You didn't just automatically deserve 50% of all nobles that spawned on that day, we'd had that day for years and really had no reason to even share the day with you once A-Team moved on. That's not really native to just Class-C though. I'd have a hard time believing that even the larger Class-R guilds like Taken and BDA would feel you were entitled to 50% nobles as the 'new kids on the block'.

You were getting 50% of all nobles as long as there were 2 spawning on Sunday, and 50% of any third Noble. Additionally, you would have gotten every noble that we were in VP for for as long as mobs in VP were in window on Sundays. Effectively, you had a chance 3 nobles (100%) every Sunday. The only sacrifice was there would be some weeks you didn't get any, if there was only 1 spawning and VP mobs weren't in window.

To recap our conversation:

No worries at all i am sure this is low on the totem pole haha. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly though i really do appreciate it. Look forward to working together on this and maybe other things in the future.

Sset

Sset,

Thanks for being patient and I apologize for keeping you hanging for so long. I ran a few ideas past the rest of leadership regarding the matter and this is what we felt would best suit us while still respecting the intentions of Haggard Krew's progression.

There can be multiple Nobles that spawn per day. As TMO has held Sunday for sky for several years now (most of that time we had the whole day), TMO feels most fair that we reserve the right to kill the first noble spawn on the day we share - Sunday. Should a second Noble spawn, Haggard Krew, then has the right to either engage it or pass it back to us. In the even of a third spawn, HK and TMO can rotate that one. In the event that HK passed on their second spawn and TMO engaged it, HK can take the third noble regardless of who is up in the rotation for that one or pass.

Also, regarding the first noble, I want to stress that on days we will not be going for noble, we will reach out to Haggard Krew and offer it to them.

Thoughts?

Just wanted to give you a little feedback i think that this agreement will work out for all of us i am just waiting to hear back from two more officers before i give the seal of approval.

Tonight we are due 2 nobles and would like to run with this agreement if we could i believe the spawns are pretty close to each other so i appreciate you throwing this together so quickly and getting this going.

Look forward to hearing from you for future endeavors as well. I will get back to you ASAP once i hear from those officers as well but i don't see our standpoint changing.

Sset

I'll pass this on to our raid leadership and let them know we've got something to work with.

Best of luck tonight,
TMO!

Also, I'd like to say, regardless of the outcome of our above negotiation, I appreciate the tone we both kept while dealing with the issue. Unfortunately, there are several others officers in Haggard Krew that don't follow your lead or appreciation for civility. My willingness to work anything out with anyone significantly decreases when your officers tell me or any of the officers of Forsaken "If you don't like it, you're going to deal with it".

Finally,

also i doubt unbrella represents forsaken, hes prob just trolling.

I do and I'm not.

[Ella`Ella]

And, just on a second thought - HK is in the middle of a learning curve with sky and taking longer to clear the AM slot making it difficult for anyone in the PM slot.

Kinda like in golf - if you're the slow golfer, let the guys behind you play through.

[xexbis0]

If you give a mouse a cookie....

[Erati]

If you give a mouse a cookie....

a lizard later eats a slightly more plump than before mouse?

"ok ok sorry for thread derail- back on topic"

If HK doesnt do bees it makes more sense for Forsaken to have the AM slot as then everything will be up avail in the evening for HK.

If both guilds did bees then a rotation would need to be worked out and its usually the PM slot that would suffer - so the AM slot in this situation is usually preferred unless the guild base is very PST/Euro/Late night

[randomhero401]

I have sent PM's to Ella and we are going to attempt to work on something that works out for both of the guilds. Will post back once the talks have been completed.

[Detoxx]

It is extremely unfair to hold this "new guild" thing over our heads just because it benefits you this time. You guys didn't even clear past isle 3 last week. Forsaken can go there in the morning and clear all of sky within 3 hours. This allows for 2 full clears on Sunday.

Koryu sent my officers messages demanding the slot and being overall rude about it. That kind of attitude makes it difficult to work with someone

[koryu]

It is extremely unfair to hold this "new guild" thing over our heads just because it benefits you this time. You guys didn't even clear past isle 3 last week. Forsaken can go there in the morning and clear all of sky within 3 hours. This allows for 2 full clears on Sunday.

Don't spread lies. We were on 5 sunday.

[Nightbear]

Would you guys be opposed to rotating AM/PM or sharing the slot?

I'm sure there will be a lot of Sky vacancies in a little over a month anyway.

[Detoxx]

a lizard later eats a slightly more plump than before mouse?

"ok ok sorry for thread derail- back on topic"

If HK doesnt do bees it makes more sense for Forsaken to have the AM slot as then everything will be up avail in the evening for HK.

If both guilds did bees then a rotation would need to be worked out and its usually the PM slot that would suffer - so the AM slot in this situation is usually preferred unless the guild base is very PST/Euro/Late night

This was the point I have been trying to stress. I don't think they got past isle 3 last week, and I know the bees were left up. I'm not sure if they are capable of killing bees, but I know we can. It doesn't seem fair that a guild who hasn't shown they can clear sky is barking the orders here all while pushing us in a corner with the whole "new guild or not?" Idle threats.

[randomhero401]

Detoxx,

Like i said i have messaged Ella and we are working on things. Ella said he / she will be posting the dialogue that we have talked about so far to the officers. Contact me if you have any worries / complaints / or other suggestions to get this moving forward.


Also to set the record straight we cleared past island 3, not sure where you got that information from. We did not kill the bee's, we informed Asgard we didnt and they went up there and killed them.

I am more then willing to work with you guys and i think what i proposed to Ella will show that.

[Detoxx]

Sounds good, thanks Sset

[phiren]

Just to clarify some things -- the OP isn't reflecting what i've been reading.

This is way I see it standing (still confused about Sunday, but it doesn't really matter).

Whether you agree or disagree on the "<<OPEN>>" and disagree with what the definition of <<OPEN>> means is a different topic.


Sunday AM: HK? / Forsaken?
Sunday PM: HK? / Forsaken?

Monday AM: Europa
Monday PM: Asgard

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Rampage

Wednesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Wednesday PM: Divinity / Omni

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: BDA

Saturday AM: Azure Guard
Saturday PM: Anonymous

[Daldaen]

Wednesday AM isn't open. That's Omni's slot they've had for some time. Divinity/Omni have individual Wednesday slots.

Haggard Krew wants to keep doing AM Sunday?

Leaving Forsaken the PM Sunday slot?

The Sunday slots are still being resolved and I'm sure those guilds will post their intents once they figure out what works best.

[Sampten]

Wednesday AM isn't open. That's Omni's slot they've had for some time. Divinity/Omni have individual Wednesday slots.

Haggard Krew wants to keep doing AM Sunday?

Leaving Forsaken the PM Sunday slot?

The Sunday slots are still being resolved and I'm sure those guilds will post their intents once they figure out what works best.

^^^^^What he said.

Omni takes Wednesday AM, we take Wednesday PM.

[phiren]

Main reason I was looking for the new sky list:
Azure Guard is looking to trade someone the Saturday AM slot for a Weeknight ... even if it's like a 1 or 3 month on and off thing and we keep trading back and forth. We are just looking to get some other members who can't make the Saturday AM a chance to do some Sky.

We are not giving up our sky slot and are fine with Saturday AM slot!

So if any guilds want to consider working with us on something like this .. send me a PM on the site.

We wouldn't want Friday or Saturday or Sunday nights .. I doubt any would be available, but just to be clear!

Thanks,
Phiren

[Anichek]

Friday AM isn't Open either - we've been pulling AM and PM clears forever on Fridays.

[Joyelle]

Friday AM isn't Open either - we've been pulling AM and PM clears forever on Fridays.

Same for Thursday, actually. The officers may be open to letting someone have the AM slot if a guild contacted them asking for it. I'm not one of those officers though so I can't say for sure :P

[arsenalpow]

Friday AM isn't Open either - we've been pulling AM and PM clears forever on Fridays.

AM is open if someone wants it and is willing to work with us for the PM slot, the problem is no one wants an AM slot that isn't on a weekend, Europa and Omni are the odd ducks that operate in the american AM hours since they're mostly a euro playerbase

[Ella`Ella]

Special shout out to Sset from Haggard Krew for being very patient while we worked an arrangement for Sky on Sundays.

Forsaken will be moving to the Sunday AM slot (starting at 10am est)

Haggard Krew will be taking the Sunday PM slot.

Best of luck on bees, guys!

[Naikobi]

The Ill Tempered Seabass/Blackheart Pirates alliance would like to have a Sky slot if anything is open. We'll take whatever we can get if this would be possible :) Thanks

[Naikobi]

bump

[phiren]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sunday AM: Forsaken
Sunday PM: Haggard Krew

Monday AM: Europa
Monday PM: Asgard

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Rampage

Wednesday AM: Omni
Wednesday PM: Divinity

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: BDA

Saturday AM: Azure Guard
Saturday PM: Anonymous
~~~~~~~~

Really the only "Slots" available are Tuesday / Thursday / Friday AM slots. If you want any of those slots -- you would first need to contact the guild that does the PM slot for that day, and make sure you work something out with them.

Good luck!

~Phiren
Azure Guard

[phiren]

Azure Guard is still looking to move up to a weeknight spot. If any guilds want to drop out of Sky entirely -- or swap with us and take the Saturday AM slot, that would be cool!

If any weeknight spots open up -- we would like to move in .. and whoever else wants a spot can take our Saturday AM spot !

~Phiren

[Pint]

I think we should just be real about the sky rotation and that its officially no longer needed. Guilds claiming their spot so they can use it once a month is kinda nonsense, ppl should feel free to go up there whenever they want as long as another guild isn't already there.

[arsenalpow]

I think we should just be real about the sky rotation and that its officially no longer needed. Guilds claiming their spot so they can use it once a month is kinda nonsense, ppl should feel free to go up there whenever they want as long as another guild isn't already there.

This. If I scheduled a sky raid in the next month my guild would impeach me.

[Daldaen]

Agree on Pint.

Go up whenever you feel you want to raid Sky. If that's during your current time slot or otherwise. What I will say is:

Don't be anon/role. Make sure other guilds can /who all sky plane and verify whether the plane is open or not easily.

[bktroost]

whoa whoa whoa, How about you just drop your day if you don't want it? Azure Guard is still going up once a week. Now if you don't want your evening slot then we'd be happy to schedule our time there, but we run sky like clockwork and look forward to it every week.

I'm not at all comfortable with making sky a competition. It's currently the one thing that makes sense on this server.

We haven't missed a week and don't plan to.

[Pan]

We're still planning on going up tomorrow for a full raid and keeping our keys otherwise (maybe minimum of 1 hour each Wed morning - with full raids probably every other week) for the foreseeable future.

[Kileras]

As of this moment, pending any changes in our upcoming officer meeting tonight, Anonymous plans on keeping our PM slot on saturdays unless another spot opens that is more agreeable with our raiders. We enjoy not having to have a competition for sky and it is great content we enjoy doing. I personally, would prefer if those guilds who do not plan on raiding sky consistently just speak up and announce their spot as FFA, while those that wan't to maintain can keep their slots.

I predict due to things becoming FFA, the rotation of pop times is going to be a bit of a mess and might potentially make the whole system not that agreeable, but I too would hate to see the scheduled rotation go. It has been a great tool for us as a guild to become better players and having it be a scheduled event you can count on is a great opportunity for developing guilds.



Fugues - Anonymous

[arsenalpow]

Let me help yall out then, BDA will not be going up on Friday's anymore. Do something with it.

[rafaone]

We at Europa plan on keep going mondays on our AM slot. Probably we won't go every week, but for sure at least 1 every two weeks.

I'm not at all comfortable with making sky a competition. It's currently the one thing that makes sense on this server.

Completely agree. Why would we want to nuke one of the few player agreements that have been online for so long?

Gav

[Amra]

We aren't saying nuke it, but many guilds are no longer interested in Sky...so there is a lot more leg room!

This is good news...all those smaller guilds now have many chances to try sky.

I would assume: BDA, Taken, Rampage, and Forsaken are probably not returning to regular sky clears anytime soon.

[Erati]

many quests remain unfinished n we do plan on raiding Sky again....

just prob not in the next few weeks and it would prob b a once a month thing when we do return...

would b nice to continue Noble-ing tho, not exactly sure how that works now but Taken is still very much interested in ND

[Detoxx]

Forsaken isn't currently doing sky but in the future, when velious settles down a bit, the possibility of returning for sky clears isn't ooff the table. Id let people who currently want to raid sky Sunday have our slot temporarily, but I just went through a big fiasco trying to secure that spot again after doing the same thing before velious.

[bktroost]

Okay, thanks Chest. AG will take the Friday PM slot and leave Saturday AM open.

[Erati]

Okay, thanks Chest. AG will take the Friday PM slot and leave Saturday AM open.

Nice FTS Nemce (First to Schedule) ;)

[Detoxx]

Nice FTS Nemce (First to Schedule) ;)

I chortled.

[bktroost]

Nice FTS Nemce (First to Schedule) ;)

:D

[bktroost]

would b nice to continue Noble-ing tho, not exactly sure how that works now but Taken is still very much interested in ND

The absolute best way to keep nobling is to just let noble keep popping from OOAs. Whether they are rotated or not is another issue, but letting sky generate tons of Noble mobs per week is unequivocally beneficial for the server.

[Pint]

Asgard isn't going to do sky weekly anymore. We will try to coordinate with the guild who is scheduled for the day we want to go up on in advance and we will not jump anyone who has/had plans to use their night.

[Kileras]

Dear all,

Anonymous would like to move sky nights to another night of the week. We are glad that other large raiding guilds have moved beyond sky but we are quite happy still doing sky for certain items and for a consistent scheduled raid. If YDYN were ever to be implemented (which I doubt since things seem stonewalled) we could revert to the old original schedule if need be to maintain your muscle memory of noble day.


Pint, would asgard be interested in allowing us Monday nights? And we can coordinate with each other if and when the time comes you are interested in being back up in sky?


thank you,
fugues


P.S. i would also like to extend a hand to any other new/up and coming guilds interested in getting into sky. On many occasions Asgard and Azure Guard were incredibly amiable to us are shared basic information on how to make sky a manageable raid night. We benefited from it greatly and would love to pass the buck forward to anyone interested.






current "schedule" that i don't think most guilds use atm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sunday AM: Forsaken
Sunday PM: Haggard Krew (imagine this is open...)

Monday AM: Europa
Monday PM: Asgard

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Rampage

Wednesday AM: Omni
Wednesday PM: Divinity

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: Azure Guard

Saturday AM: Open
Saturday PM: Anonymous
~~~~~~~~

[Pint]

more than happy, we just go up randomly these days. monday is wide open.

[khanable]

Pretty sure Tuesday is also wide open. Knock yourself out.

[arsenalpow]

I'm almost positive that Taken uses Thuraday nights for HoT now so it's probably open as well.

[Daldaen]

Correct.

In the future I'd like to take up a raid again to Sky, however it will never be on a consistent basis.

Just a once in a while thing to get Necros up to 3, Paladins up to 4 for epics and to collect Mage crowns and misc other drops.

[Erati]

We are still trying to organize morning/afternoon clears on Thursdays at least once/twice a month

just not happening anytime super soon

[Kileras]

Cheers thanks for the responses all. I will be consulting the schedules of my players and be in touch soon to set a loose "new night" for us.

[Drakakade]

Divinity no longer raids sky - we have historically shared our day with Omni when they asked for a spot in the rotation. So, Weds Omni Sky day exclusively atm.

[Culkasi]

Monday AM: Europa

Still happening "regularly"

[bktroost]

Friday pm AG and happening regularly.

[phiren]

First off -- Azure Guard is moving from Friday night to Tuesday night. We do sky every week currently. We might be moving to 2x a month. if we do -- we will post our intentions so another guild can alternate with us on our off-weeks if they like.

Second off -- This has NOTHING to do with Nobles. Nobles are a discussion for another day. With so many guilds not having Sky days -- it's becoming an FFA contest. YNYD doesn't work if you don't have a D. I don't care about Nobles for this topic. This is simply for regular Sky raiding.

My goal here is to show the slots. A lot of guilds won't do organized Sky anymore, and that's fine. I want to show occupied and empty slots -- so other new guilds or maybe even PuGs can head up to Sky and not interfere with other guilds.

These guilds are "out" and don't want an entire night every week dedicated to them (thank you):
-Divinity
-Rampage
-BDA
-Asgard
-Forsaken

These guilds are "in" and do sky 2x or more a month.. or have a non-prime spot so it doesn't really matter:
-Azure Guard**
-Anonymous
-Omni
-Europa
-Taken


This is what I'm seeing as of 11/21/2015:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<OPEN>>

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: <<OPEN>>

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: <<OPEN>>
Saturday PM: <<OPEN>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So if any guilds want to hop in and do an unscheduled Sky raid -- please stick to the <<OPEN>> slots to not interfere with any regularly scheduled Sky raids.

I also might help organize a weekly PuG Sky Raid .. where anyone 46+ can come .. on Friday or Saturday nights. I will give it a shot once or twice and see how much of a nightmare it is :)

~Phiren

[Kileras]

Confirmed for anonymous oN Wednesdays. Fyi, our scheduled night has been invaded multiple times and the theory was that there "was no rotation". Just a heads up that checking the zone before porting and scheduling your night is a good idea. There are obviously no ramifications for people breaking the rotation, but it can be annoying sometimes.

I am also still extending a hand to new guilds to teach/help key/educate them on sky.

[Faited]

Very cool to see that folks are still doing Sky nights occasionally & that it's being handled with civility. Sky was always one of the funnest zones back in Live so I hope this keeps going with other, up & coming guilds filling in those "OPEN" slots.

Good luck folks.

[paroxysmal]

We've started doing this on monday nights

[Araleus]

To add on to this current schedule and to be sure as to not step on anybody's toes - <Clue> would like to add its name to the schedule for a weekly rotation in the Sunday PM Slot.

I have taken the liberty of adding our name to the schedule - hopefully this is acceptable - if not, please leave one here as I will be checking it semi-regularly to be sure it was done correctly. Thanks!

This is what I'm seeing as of 1/10/2016:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<Clue>> -- Weekly

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: <<OPEN>>

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: <<OPEN>>
Saturday PM: <<OPEN>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[phiren]

Updating to show Fires of Heaven on Monday nights.


As of 1/10/2016:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<Clue>> -- Weekly

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: Fires of Heaven -- Weekly

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: <<OPEN>>
Saturday PM: <<OPEN>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[paroxysmal]

Just a FYI. Isle 1 was down during port in last night for our time slot. Please be respectful.

[Culkasi]

@Qani
We didn't do Sky last night, but please remember that Europa has Monday in the schedule and whilst we only do it sparingly, we do it from time to time.

Island 1 respawns in 2 hrs, so that wouldn't normally impact, unless you start really early :)

[Kileras]

Just a FYI. Isle 1 was down during port in last night for our time slot. Please be respectful.

this sadly happens frequently, we almost always bring a large chunk of change with us to key to 2 because more often then not it seems someone has come up and cleared some/all/princess on island. 1.

I really love sky, and we have a bit ( not as much as the others ) of resources/toons permanently dedicated to it. If you guys ever need a hand with anything or need a pull done, let me know !

[paroxysmal]

We ported in at 6pm cst (gmt-6) and the only mobs down were isle 1. I'm glad to hear it wasn't Europa though I wasn't claiming that it was. Thanks for the response. My post still stands for whomever it was.

[arsenalpow]

People will still go up to do the monk epic fight and bypass buying keys by killing isle 1, gotta be aware that isle 1 being down probably isn't another guild being spiteful.

[paroxysmal]

Well when they choose to do that prior to a guilds scheduled time slot that leads to them having to waste money on keys that they shouldn't have to. There are plenty of blanks on the sky schedule. Pick a day/time that will not interfere with others

[arsenalpow]

Well when they choose to do that prior to a guilds scheduled time slot that leads to them having to waste money on keys that they shouldn't have to. There are plenty of blanks on the sky schedule. Pick a day/time that will not interfere with others

You realize that a random group doing a monk epic will not read this thread nor will they care? It could potentially be some random group of friends that don't even use these forums. Bitch if you want, but if I were in your position (and I only did sky nearly every Friday for almost 4 years) I wouldn't complain unless someone was killing things past isle 1, because then it could actually jeopardize your raid from happening as opposed to being merely inconvenienced by not having free keys to isle 2.

[paroxysmal]

You realize that a random group doing a monk epic will not read this thread nor will they care? It could potentially be some random group of friends that don't even use these forums. Bitch if you want, but if I were in your position (and I only did sky nearly every Friday for almost 4 years) I wouldn't complain unless someone was killing things past isle 1, because then it could actually jeopardize your raid from happening as opposed to being merely inconvenienced by not having free keys to isle 2.

Thanks for your viewpoint. I'll definitely keep that in mind. However, my post was directed mainly if it was someone who should have known better but did it anyways.

[Turd]

The first island has a much longer spawn time now. I watched the princess die at about 6:30EST and it is now 12:15EST and she is still not back up.

[mcbizzler]

Updating to show Fires of Heaven on Monday nights.


As of 1/10/2016:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<Clue>> -- Weekly

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: Fires of Heaven -- Weekly

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Taken -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: <<OPEN>>
Saturday PM: <<OPEN>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Reposting the latest schedule as I see it, since Fires of Heaven ported up and cleared Island 1 last night "claiming they didn't know it was scheduled."

Ironically, the last posts in this thread are FoH complaining about someone doing it to them.

[Culkasi]

I can confirm Europa still goes up 1-2x pr month on Mondays, we try to communicate with Fires of Heaven when that happens so they are aware

[bktroost]

AG basically goes up on Tuesdays throughout the day/ as time allows. Sometimes we will go up to just kill EoV or pull mobs to island 1 early and then do a raid during the pm. Just block off Tuesday for us.

[Erati]

We are trying to get a few set of keys for pick up sky raids when slots are open - but have mostly centralized our pick up raids around the Thursday PM slot that Taken had

if someone wanted to change "Taken" to "Awakened" on the list that would be fairly accurate for our Sky slot

[Kileras]

Anonymous still weekly clearing sky on weds nights.

[Thurgrim]

Reposting the latest schedule as I see it, since Fires of Heaven ported up and cleared Island 1 last night "claiming they didn't know it was scheduled."

Ironically, the last posts in this thread are FoH complaining about someone doing it to them.

Yeah, it was an honest mistake and we explained that, but your officer (Samnotwise) must have been high on paint fumes.

Fact is, we conceded and Clue was able to proceed.

Mcbizzler, your accusatory comments are unfounded.... a couple of you guys got pretty emotional over the whole thing. Next time we'll just keep farming.

BTW, FoH is looking for a different day for Sky. We like the Sunday PM time slot.

[wrighter00]

This should really be posted on the raid discussion forum. Let it be known, however, that the GMs have yet to give FoH permissions to use the raid forums after multiple inquiries. So we're handicapped compared to other guilds. Sometimes it's best to provide info in game. Some people avoid these forums like the plague. The only member who posted here is our leader, and he wasn't even present last night.

I want to take this time to ask that people follow the play nice policy before any out of game player agreements and chewing other guilds out. As far as I knew player agreements are only honored if everyone is choosing to follow them. There are too many people trying to do too little of content on this server and this stuff will happen. FoH has experienced other guilds complaining, bitching at, and expecting us to make up for content they feel they are missing out on. Europa moved on our time that is in this agreement. It was no big deal. FoH chose to only say so much, let our keys rot, and move onto other targets to avoid drama. The very next night we try to go start keying people again, we get repremanded for something that happened to us and isn't even a part of the server rules. We conceded Sky that night, keys can be bought for Isle two, and key corpses can be reset at any day and any time.

I see no problem other than FoH continually getting screwed out of content, and moving on to other stuff to avoid the drama. Even after asking to work together in some cases. I was, personally, asked by a member of Clue to show them how to do a pull in Sky on a Monday night that we let them have. Karana forbid they tag along on the Sunday night we go up instead and let me show them then. Just run us out and try to make us buy you keys saying "We'll remember this".

FYI I'm not mad or anything. It's a video game, guys, not the streets of LA.




Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer

[mcbizzler]

Yeah, it was an honest mistake and we explained that, but your officer (Samnotwise) must have been high on paint fumes.

Fact is, we conceded and Clue was able to proceed.

Mcbizzler, your accusatory comments are unfounded.... a couple of you guys got pretty emotional over the whole thing. Next time we'll just keep farming.


Actually, I thought I was pretty rational about the whole thing. We had a scheduled event and when we noticed you were already there, we asked that you buy keys for our people since you had already cleared.

Log 1 (http://imgur.com/NQ271j6)
Log 2 (http://imgur.com/pGYaEYM)

What I was met with was resistance and ignorance. The thing that sort of put me over the edge was the fact we helped you guys last week with the monk epic fight because you didn't have the numbers to do it - and then to do this seemed very shady to me.

As I stated in the logs, ignorance is really no excuse. If it truly was an honest mistake, I would think that you would make the effort to correct a wrong and not exacerbate the situation.

Please be informed before you make blanket statements implying I'm high on paint fumes.

[Kileras]

Mistakes are made in sky all the time, especially by new guilds. I know we had some issues before with Clue at the beginning of sky, and also later on when we accidentally cleared stuff on their night. A lot of us have been used to the schedule that was in place, and don't think to check this thread every single time before we go up. I apologize if anonymous has ever caused any issue with others nights, and generally if we have we have bought them any and all keys they needed.

This seems like a generaly dispute between your two guilds, if you would like me to help as a middleman i can. Or, if you would like me to post on your behalf to the raid discussion thread, I will. Bottom line is that people should not be ruining other peoples sky nights, and If they are they get the name and shame treatment.

mistakes are made, but the only reason any of us all get along is by letting a bunch of those slide.

If either of you ever need help re-keying or figuring out island pulls, my offer still stands from anonymous to help.

[arsenalpow]

I have no dog in this fight, but when reading the logs and I see "oh it's just a player agreement, we don't have to abide by that if its not GM enforced" is a quick way to get shit on by the rest of the server. The sky rotation has been a very unique agreement that has stood for a verrrrrrry long time. It would serve any guild to respect the agreement to avoid hostility from other guilds.

[wrighter00]

hahaha. I'm going to start typing "Hi mom!" in my in game replies when negotiating this kinda stuff just to add some humor for everyone. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to joke around with people contesting an event only to be met with the most stale attitudes possible. Seriously, people are trying to rule this server with screen shots, logs, and the MMO police. I've been to multiple contested events where people have made passive aggressive comments about logs and screen shots cause FoH is joking around. This sucks, guys. Way to take something fun, a PVE game, and make it like a court battle. Even in court, judges get annoyed if you are there for something petty. I really don't think the GMs on this server want to see people who can't work it out within their rules. That's like volunteering to babysit adults.

*Edit* I, for one, will always buy myself new keys or pay to have my key corpse in Sky renewed if need be. Regardless of the scenario. That goes along with me choosing to play this game. Thanks.



Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer

[Kileras]

hahaha. I'm going to start typing "Hi mom!" in my in game replies when negotiating this kinda stuff just to add some humor for everyone. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to joke around with people contesting an event only to be met with the most stale attitudes possible. Seriously, people are trying to rule this server with screen shots, logs, and the MMO police. I've been to multiple contested events where people have made passive aggressive comments about logs and screen shots cause FoH is joking around. This sucks, guys. Way to take something fun, a PVE game, and make it like a court battle. Even in court, judges get annoyed if you are there for something petty. I really don't think the GMs on this server want to see people who can't work it out within their rules. That's like volunteering to babysit adults.

*Edit* I, for one, will always buy myself new keys or pay to have my key corpse in Sky renewed if need be. Regardless of the scenario. That goes along with me choosing to play this game. Thanks.



Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer


if your problem on mondays is europa, then try and get ahold of their leadership. They have always been super nice to work with and invested into making content open to smaller guilds. I am sure if you talked to them you could find a way to make the schedule work on your time, in the passed it was assumed that by 8pm EST night time PM slots should have their sky repopped. I assume thats what everyone holds too.

[wrighter00]

You realize that a random group doing a monk epic will not read this thread nor will they care? It could potentially be some random group of friends that don't even use these forums.

I have no dog in this fight, but when reading the logs and I see "oh it's just a player agreement, we don't have to abide by that if its not GM enforced" is a quick way to get shit on by the rest of the server. The sky rotation has been a very unique agreement that has stood for a verrrrrrry long time. It would serve any guild to respect the agreement to avoid hostility from other guilds.

This was actually said by the same person. So should people follow the server rules or the player agreements? I thought what I was saying about that was obvious. :confused:

A big part of this, using the Monday night thing as an example, is that being told that something makes us look bad or ruins our reputation when we're not a guild who goes out of our way to be abrasive, hostile, competative, or dramatic doesn't make sense. In the end, no one's Sky night was ruined. Our Sky prospects aren't ruined. Hence we haven't blown anyone up about anything. We do still need to do some content, and just cause we're new doesn't mean we'll be the last to get anything done.


Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer

[arsenalpow]

This was actually said by the same person. So should people follow the server rules or the player agreements? I thought what I was saying about that was obvious. :confused:

A big part of this, using the Monday night thing as an example, is that being told that something makes us look bad or ruins our reputation when we're not a guild who goes out of our way to be abrasive, hostile, competative, or dramatic doesn't make sense. In the end, no one's Sky night was ruined. Our Sky prospects aren't ruined. Hence we haven't blown anyone up about anything. We do still need to do some content, and just cause we're new doesn't mean we'll be the last to get anything done.


Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer

So a random pickup group doing a monk epic is the same thing as a guild staking its claim in sky on a particular day? Aight.

[Nightbear]

<Indignation> worked for over a year with <Europa> sharing the Monday time slot, you just have to start pretty late if you wanna roll Monday and alternate the Bees since they have a 12 hour respawn.

[Thurgrim]

Fugues/Pulsate, many thanks. I can't comment on the Monday PM time slot problem because the conversation occurred between Qani (FoH GM) and someone in Europa.

Perhaps we do need to extend another line of communication to them.

Concerning the Clue ordeal, I think it has been blown out of proportion.... I thought it was squashed but by todays post (and an /ooc message from Pooh Bear yesterday) its pretty clear they feel robbed out of something on Isle 1.

In closing...

To Clue officers and GM, we'll try not poop in your Cheerios again.

FYI, the princess dropped no additional keys, so dont feel bad. We'll stay out of Sky on Sunday PM.

[Culkasi]

Europa moved on our time that is in this agreement. It was no big deal. FoH chose to only say so much, let our keys rot, and move onto other targets to avoid drama.
Rainwarden Tolo - 60 Druid - Fires of Heaven - Officer


Right, here is the deal. FoH decided to do Monday Sky. Europa didn't then sweep in and say we would also do it, we have always done the AM Monday slot. We try (I try) everytime we do Sky (1-2 times per month max) to send FoH a message on these boards letting them know in advance. They know exactly what time we go up and what time we finish. There are no secrets, no bullying, nothing. I think I have forgot to notify FoH twice, but that has not been on purpose and is just because, you know, life and all that. Noone is trying to cheat FoH of anything. There are a million empty slots in the rotation right now, I am sorry that we a cpl of times a month go up at the slot that we still hold, and even try to let you know in advance?

Saying Europa moved on your time in the agreement is.....well....lets just say I don't find that to be fair at all. We were in the Sky rotation long before you were and we have always done Sky at exactly the same time on a Monday. Only difference is we only do it 1-2 times a month now instead of every Monday.

Anyway, I don't understand how anyone can hold a grudge against Europa here, but if you want to talk it over instead of slanting us here, catch me in game or via PMs here.

[Thurgrim]

Hi Culkasi, we cant (and shouldnt, myself and Rainwarden) comment on what was discussed between Qani and Europa. I do know we can move forward and work towards a compromise that'll work for all.


Right, here is the deal. FoH decided to do Monday Sky. Europa didn't then sweep in and say we would also do it, we have always done the AM Monday slot. We try (I try) everytime we do Sky (1-2 times per month max) to send FoH a message on these boards letting them know in advance. They know exactly what time we go up and what time we finish. There are no secrets, no bullying, nothing. I think I have forgot to notify FoH twice, but that has not been on purpose and is just because, you know, life and all that. Noone is trying to cheat FoH of anything. There are a million empty slots in the rotation right now, I am sorry that we a cpl of times a month go up at the slot that we still hold, and even try to let you know in advance?

Saying Europa moved on your time in the agreement is.....well....lets just say I don't find that to be fair at all. We were in the Sky rotation long before you were and we have always done Sky at exactly the same time on a Monday. Only difference is we only do it 1-2 times a month now instead of every Monday.

Anyway, I don't understand how anyone can hold a grudge against Europa here, but if you want to talk it over instead of slanting us here, catch me in game or via PMs here.

[jpetrick]

New guild comes in and gets worked up over a sky slot that has been another guilds slot for years? Even more comical is that they are mad at groups killing island 1 for keys to do Gwan.

We shared mondays with them for well over a year with no issues.

Every fires of heaven member I have run into has been terrible. I can see it's a top down issue now.

[Thurgrim]

New guild comes in and gets worked up over a sky slot that has been another guilds slot for years? Even more comical is that they are mad at groups killing island 1 for keys to do Gwan.

We shared mondays with them for well over a year with no issues.

Every fires of heaven member I have run into has been terrible. I can see it's a top down issue now.

Ive got not personal beef with you or Europa.
Attitude varies among membership, if you have/had a problems with multiple FoH send me, Rainwarden, or Qani a tell. Im not innocent when it comes to stepping on toes, but in all cases it was necessary.

[jpetrick]

It's the sense of entitlement that pisses me off. Your guild hasn't done anything noteworthy on the server. You're brand new here. The passive aggressive accusation towards Europa (a very old and reputable tag) is absolutely laughable.

You're mad about island one of plane of sky. You had to buy island 2 keys. What a terrible ordeal you had to experience.

[Culkasi]

Hi Culkasi, we cant (and shouldnt, myself and Rainwarden) comment on what was discussed between Qani and Europa. I do know we can move forward and work towards a compromise that'll work for all.

But, you (Rainwarden) are though;


Europa moved on our time that is in this agreement. It was no big deal. FoH chose to only say so much, let our keys rot, and move onto other targets to avoid drama.

This is straight up a lie. We didn't move on anyones Sky night or time. We did Sky on the night and time Europa has done Sky for some 3½-4 years. There is nothing strange about this, its been public knowledge to everyone and posted on these forums. I really don't understand how you can say we moved on your time in this agreement and then try to make it sound like it was some weird agreement Qani and I made. Horseshit! The only agreement Qani and I made, after I found out that Fires of Heaven was dead set on taking the Monday PM slot despite the issues that was outlined with that, was that I would try to let FoH know in advance when we did Sky so you could plan accordingly.

I appreciate FoH wants to get in on Sky, and you should, its a great zone, and a good way to learn to do raids etc. There are quite a few open slots on the agreement, and if you accept that island 1 can be down for random reasons (Noble pulls, Gwan etc), then you will be able to do Sky on one of the open slots without problems 40 weeks of the year I'd guess. And you should, its one of the ways to assert yourself as a raiding guild on the server and to progress as a guild. Another way is to be a little bit respectful and not throw lies around when it suits you, it looks bad, especially when everyone else knows that Europa has held that Monday Sky slot for years, and it doesn't foster good working relationships.

So backtrack a little bit, try not to be buthurt, get your facts straight, and have a look at the current rotation again, and see if there is a good spot for you in there that noone else is currently holding, claim that, and try to be prepared for island 1 to be down.

I really don't know what kind of compromise you want to work out. Europa does Monday Sky 2pm-5pm EST a cpl of times a month like we have for years, and we try to remember to let you know when we do it because Monday PM seems to suit you well - is there really more to compromise about?

[Thurgrim]

It's the sense of entitlement that pisses me off. Your guild hasn't done anything noteworthy on the server. You're brand new here. The passive aggressive accusation towards Europa (a very old and reputable tag) is absolutely laughable.

You're mad about island one of plane of sky. You had to buy island 2 keys. What a terrible ordeal you had to experience.

Entitled and angry? Not me... far from it.

I think Europa and FoH can figure this out.

[Thurgrim]

Culkasi... hold up, no one is lying... it is/was our perception of the situation. We haven't been going to Sky for perhaps a month, since we have some folks out for work related reasons, but we are discussing a different day.

Yesterdays cluster fuck was a mistake, we owned up to it and moving on.

[Culkasi]

Culkasi... hold up, no one is lying... it is/was our perception of the situation. We haven't been going to Sky for perhaps a month, since we have some folks out for work related reasons, but we are discussing a different day.

Yesterdays cluster fuck was a mistake, we owned up to it and moving on.

But how can that be your perception? I don't understand that? Europa does Monday Sky and always has, so how can we steal that day from a guild that is <6 months old? It makes no sense, and calling us out on stealing it in here is out of line. If you really have people who think like that, yourself included, its time for you to go and make a post on the FoH forum and say "woops, we officers screwed up, Europa did nothing wrong, we are working on sorting out when a good day to do Sky is, bear with us, but don't blame guilds who did nothing wrong".

Anyway, I guess we are done here, but I am pretty annoyed with this.

[Thurgrim]

Yeah, I dont think anyone should have said something was stolen from us. Some folks are pretty frustrated, and that frustration manifested itself in conversation. We are in the wrong, my apologies.

I'll try and explain our perception from some months back, just for the record.

Example, on 11/21/2015:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2115332&postcount=174

And, 10/23/2015, a different guild was occupying Monday evening:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2085662&postcount=164

The post where Qani said we'll take Monday PM, and the subsequent posts after show adjustments and eventually FoH in Monday PM time slot. No one from Europa objected:
http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2157579&postcount=177

Does this help clarify perception a bit?

FoH has moved on, and we'll choose a different day/time since we'd like to go up every week. When a decision is made, we'll update this thread.

To the other guilds in Sky, FoH will keep the current list for reference, and act accordingly.

[Sallan]

Not to confirm anything but Infernus used to share the Sunday AM slot with TMO (long ago when they took a break from Sky after we got permission from Corova back then).

We haven't been back in a while but there's a chance we might start up again soon. We will likely be looking at another AM slot in the weekend (either saturday or sunday). Once it's confirmed we will make it known here

[bktroost]

So we want this post in RnF eh? I'll start looking for this reference there from now on. Thanks for the entertainment.

[arsenalpow]

Not to confirm anything but Infernus used to share the Sunday AM slot with TMO (long ago when they took a break from Sky after we got permission from Corova back then).

We haven't been back in a while but there's a chance we might start up again soon. We will likely be looking at another AM slot in the weekend (either saturday or sunday). Once it's confirmed we will make it known here

BDA has run a few AM Saturday skys here and there.

[Batso]

Whoever shows up first should get it. It's stupid to reserve a slot for occasional use. Plus, all of this is most likely about nobles.

[bktroost]

Whoever shows up first should get it. It's stupid to reserve a slot for occasional use. Plus, all of this is most likely about nobles.

In 3 years of doing sky I personally have seen less nobles than I have fingers. And no, I'm not the black gloved man from Princess Bride.

Again, RnF is that way --->

[Llodd]

Didn't some guild go up to sky and kill all the OOA's even though there was a player agreement in place for guilds not to do that?

[Erati]

Didn't some guild go up to sky and kill all the OOA's even though there was a player agreement in place for guilds not to do that?

has happened a few times yep

[myguydie]

Blackheart Pirates/Homeland Security/Kittens Who Say Mew (Alliance) is looking to raid Sky on Saturday nights on a weekly basis going forward. The most recent list was as follows, and I will update our alliance into the Saturday night. Please update this further if it doesn't align with the current list.

Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<Clue>> -- Weekly

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: Fires of Heaven -- Weekly

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Awakened -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: <<OPEN>>
Saturday PM: BHP/KWSM/HLS -- Weekly

[Sallan]

Infernus will be raiding sky this Saturday AM (2nd April). It may be a set schedule, but to be confirmed

[Bummey]

Blackheart Pirates/Homeland Security/Kittens Who Say Mew (Alliance) is looking to raid Sky on Saturday nights on a weekly basis going forward. The most recent list was as follows, and I will update our alliance into the Saturday night. Please update this further if it doesn't align with the current list.

Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<Clue>> -- Weekly

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: Fires of Heaven -- Weekly

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Awakened -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: <<OPEN>>
Saturday PM: BHP/KWSM/HLS -- Weekly

So, now you acknowledge the list?

[Sallan]

Infernus will be raiding sky this Saturday AM (2nd April). It may be a set schedule, but to be confirmed

Also we would like to request, if possible, for Friday night's noble to be left up since he's on a US evening timer atm. I understand some guilds (or groups) have been killing him on free slot nights and albeit YDYN isn't followed per say, it would be nice to see him once in a while. And given his current spawn time our only option is for the Friday night spawn to be left alone

[Kileras]

Friday noble can only be a 3 day noble and It just turned Tuesday, so there is no way to know a spawn time for a Friday Noble. YDYN was removed because people weren't efficiently killing their noble/some groups decided to nuke the entire agreement.

I understand wanting to have a shot at more mobs, but nobles take roughly 1 group to kill and require getting the timer/watching things in sky. I highly doubt others are going to agree to just let it sit up. It would most likely mean someone else snipes it, the entire noble re spawn timer would drift further away, and that less nobles would be spawning.

If you want nobles, I'd suggest making a consistent presence in sky on your day, keeping track/understanding noble timers, and then contacting those that are killing them to try and work out a YDYN agreement of sorts. Get yourself a core group keyed to 1.5, get a wiz click neck, learn the way to do the noble pull by watching others. Some of us spent 6+ months or in some cases much longer farming sky without seeing a noble.

[Sallan]

I know how the pull is done and how to kill him. That isn't what I'm bringing up to discuss here.

Effectively after enough 7 day ones are killed there would be a noble every day (on theory) which is why I mentioned leaving Friday nights up if there should happen to be one available, as long as no one touches the OOA's. Also, we have been tracking kill times however since the current 7 day timers are in the US evening, subsequent 3 day respawns will also be on the same time. Meaning we can never get one since its going to be US evening (5am ish for us).

Again my intention isn't to ask for a handout. However leaving one noble up would then allow one 3 day cycle to spawn during our prime time. Subsequently another 7 day noble kill will take over that spawn that was pushed to our prime time. Like I said, it's likely a long shot but I figured reaching out to guilds is the first step, albeit I can't do anything about the 1 group noble hunters.

[arsenalpow]

I know how the pull is done and how to kill him. That isn't what I'm bringing up to discuss here.

Effectively after enough 7 day ones are killed there would be a noble every day (on theory) which is why I mentioned leaving Friday nights up if there should happen to be one available, as long as no one touches the OOA's. Also, we have been tracking kill times however since the current 7 day timers are in the US evening, subsequent 3 day respawns will also be on the same time. Meaning we can never get one since its going to be US evening (5am ish for us).

Again my intention isn't to ask for a handout. However leaving one noble up would then allow one 3 day cycle to spawn during our prime time. Subsequently another 7 day noble kill will take over that spawn that was pushed to our prime time. Like I said, it's likely a long shot but I figured reaching out to guilds is the first step, albeit I can't do anything about the 1 group noble hunters.

I'm honestly not sure who had Nobles on lock lately. Might want to figure out who had been killing them first.

[Sallan]

Thanks. But after consulting with a friend I think the idea of reaching guild cohesiveness here amicably is likely a moot point for such a mob. A pipe dream, so to speak.

Disregard my previous post

[Kileras]

Thanks. But after consulting with a friend I think the idea of reaching guild cohesiveness here amicably is likely a moot point for such a mob. A pipe dream, so to speak.

Disregard my previous post

I don't think you need to shut things down, I hope i didn't come off that way. you can speak to pretty much any other guild that is involved in these discussions and I think they would speak highly of my eagerness to be inclusive and enable all guilds to have a shot at content. The nobles have ALWAYS been contested and involved people having to wake up at odd times to take the noble while maintaining the cycle.

I have no problem with giving you a noble or leaving a noble up for you, But i don't think the other guys doing nobles are going to be OKay with it sitting up all night so that it is more convenient for you. That isn't a jab at you, and I hope some others can speak up to the history of the nobles as well.

I am all for infernus having as much content that they can get, and being given free shots at a noble ( albeit it at an early hour ) is pretty amazing to have happen on this server...

[bktroost]

yeah we are all super willing to let sky regulars in on a day that is not being occupied. The rule of thumb is just that you have to kill them outside of your wheelhouse because we all are effected by that. So i know for a long time AG had to go up at like 5 am. We weren't interested so we contacted morning guilds and went without ever seeing a noble for months and months. Pushing it into our wheelhouse just isn't an option.

Shared nobles are always going to be good for one guild and bad for another, but then a reset happens and they all switch up and now they are good for someone bad for a different someone else. So there's merit to sharing, communicating and working together.

[Bowand Blade]

Yes Bummey We acknowledge the schedule now that we know about it. If you were one of the people sending me tells Sunday I'm still waiting on the email from you. Like I told you in game I don't spend a lot of time in these forums I work and have a limited amount of game time. So Yes We Do Now that we know and for future reference if you talk to some one with respect from the start you will get it in return.

In Case you missed it in game Bowand@blackheartpirates.com, I'm still not going to go looking for a long ago post sorry isn't worth my time, Hopefully the schedule will be updated to show the New Schedule.

[Gain]

Yes Bummey We acknowledge the schedule now that we know about it. If you were one of the people sending me tells Sunday I'm still waiting on the email from you. Like I told you in game I don't spend a lot of time in these forums I work and have a limited amount of game time. So Yes We Do Now that we know and for future reference if you talk to some one with respect from the start you will get it in return.

In Case you missed it in game Bowand@blackheartpirates.com, I'm still not going to go looking for a long ago post sorry isn't worth my time, Hopefully the schedule will be updated to show the New Schedule.

You spoke to me. I don't see a need to send you a link to this thread since you have posted in it. I would like to thank Babab for speaking to me later in that evening and apologizing for what happened.

[bktroost]

In Case you missed it in game Bowand@blackheartpirates.com, I'm still not going to go looking for a long ago post sorry isn't worth my time, Hopefully the schedule will be updated to show the New Schedule.

TL:DR

"This game isn't worth my time because it's not classic"


That is correct; p99 raid scene is not classic. It's what we have though and civility takes work.

[Culkasi]

Updated list, can't be updated in OP because of post edit rules, so attaching this to end of thread for reference


Sunday AM: <<OPEN>>
Sunday PM: <<Clue>> -- Weekly

Monday AM: Europa -- 1-2x a month
Monday PM: Fires of Heaven -- Weekly

Tuesday AM: <<OPEN>>
Tuesday PM: Azure Guard -- weekly

Wednesday AM: Omni -- 1-2x a month
Wednesday PM: Anonymous -- weekly

Thursday AM: <<OPEN>>
Thursday PM: Awakened -- 1-2x a month

Friday AM: <<OPEN>>
Friday PM: <<OPEN>>

Saturday AM: Infernus -- Weekly (TBC)
Saturday PM: BHP/KWSM/HLS -- Weekly

[Kiix]

Venerate would like to do Friday PM

[Sallan]

Infernus is heading up again this weekend Sat AM (4/9)

[Pan]

Omni is still weekly Wed AM.

[Sallan]

Infernus will be in sky again this Saturday (4/16). Just a note we normally start sky early in the day which is our afternoon (roughly 2am EST), similar like last week.

Depending on who's there Friday PM some mobs may not be up at the start but that's fine with us

[Madruga]

Venerate doing on Friday PM or really open? Divinity would like to claim Friday PM.

[paroxysmal]

Fires of Heaven is still doing sky on monday PM, Europa looking to move to Friday which will open a monday AM slot if it happens.

Europa does sky at 1pm CST for their AM slot, so they would work better with a guild that raids later than we do.

[Nitsude]

Venerate doing on Friday PM or really open? Divinity would like to claim Friday PM.

Venerate does do it on Friday PM, but not every week. That being said, Gogre (raid leader) or Kiix (guild leader) would probably be very open to moving to another PM slot, as Fridays are sort of inconvenient for us.

[Madruga]

So, talking to Venerate officers we came to a deal to share Friday PMs, 1 week for Venerate, other for Divinity.

This next one ( 27/05 ) will be a Divinity day.

I thank Kiix, Maor and Gogre who gave me the attention in this decision.

So please if possible update Friday PM with Venerate/Divinity.

Thanks.

[paroxysmal]

if your problem on mondays is europa, then try and get ahold of their leadership. They have always been super nice to work with and invested into making content open to smaller guilds. I am sure if you talked to them you could find a way to make the schedule work on your time, in the passed it was assumed that by 8pm EST night time PM slots should have their sky repopped. I assume thats what everyone holds too.

This is definitely not the case on Monday nights. I have been trying to work through this with Europa for like 4 months now with no willingness to change on their part. Isle 2 and 3 bosses didn't pop until 9:30 pm CST and isle 6 boss hadn't repopped by the time we had to call it at 12am CST.

I have offered to welcome their members into a joint raid around 4pm CST to avoid conflict but was told that was too late for them and would not work.

On a typical night we start at 6 pm CST port up an asracks are down until 9:30pm CST. Europa has made an attempt to keep us informed of when they have done sky that day but its patchy at best and the members that are online at the time usually don't know anything about it.

Overall, a very frustrating experience.

We will continue doing sky on Monday nights for the foreseeable future and hopefully Europa will be able to choose a start time for their raid that does not affect so many of us in such a negative way.

[Culkasi]

@Qani

Man, stop blastering on about how we don't move etc etc. Its not that easy for us, we've always done it at the same time, and historically it was not an issue. We do Sky 1-2 times a month, and I understand its frustrating for you, but I can't just ask people to start raiding at 1am or before they even get off work because its annoying for you - it was different if we hadn't done it this way/time the past 3-4 years, but fact is, we have.

I have tried to work out different options and I still am, but you can't just expect us to fuck over our members so you get to raid when it suits you. You are just as unwilling to move to a different day as we are (and we've been on Mondays long before FoH was a thing on P99), so don't put it on us.

I am willing to continue working with you, put trying to publicly shame us doesn't work well in that regard.

[paroxysmal]

@Qani

Man, stop blastering on about how we don't move etc etc. Its not that easy for us, we've always done it at the same time, and historically it was not an issue. We do Sky 1-2 times a month, and I understand its frustrating for you, but I can't just ask people to start raiding at 1am or before they even get off work because its annoying for you - it was different if we hadn't done it this way/time the past 3-4 years, but fact is, we have.

I have tried to work out different options and I still am, but you can't just expect us to fuck over our members so you get to raid when it suits you. You are just as unwilling to move to a different day as we are (and we've been on Mondays long before FoH was a thing on P99), so don't put it on us.

I am willing to continue working with you, put trying to publicly shame us doesn't work well in that regard.
Everything I stated is factual. If that is shaming to you I cannot help it. As others have stated the player agreement in sky only works if everyone follows it.

The simple fact is your guild is signed up for an AM slot on Monday. And as Kileras put it it sounds like the mobs should be repopped by 7pm CST (GMT -6), and with your current start time they don't repop until 9:30pm CST (GMT -6), for common courtesy for the guild sharing the day with your guild.

How would you feel if the Sunday pm guild caused 3-4 hour delay for you starting on Monday afternoon?

[Culkasi]

I don't feel shamed, I am just surprised you think that it will make me more inclined to find a solution

[paroxysmal]

The only thing you have done to "try to work with" us has been to maybe send a pm on the forums here when you remember giving me advanced notice that you have utilized our pm block for your raid.

[Culkasi]

Only thing either guild have now done to "work together" has been asking other guild to move their weekly raids to other day or time (both have declined that) and asking other guilds to raid in middle of the night for them or during work hours (both have declined that too).

I don't think you can put all that on Europa alone.

[paroxysmal]

I have offered to let your guild members needing items from sky to join our raids. I even offered to start our raid a few hours earlier to make less of an inconvenience to your members even though it would create more of a hardship for my members. Additionally, that offer was never reciprocated. So please don't say i havent done anything. We signed up for the PM slot. Is it hard to comprehend that in doing so we might actually want to raid during it?

I have only ever asked for you to raid during your self-assigned timeslot.