an idea to stop zerging

[Tune]

make the number of loots from bosses be dependent on the number of people in the zone 10+ minutes before the time the boss is killed.

rough example would be

16 - 18 people = normal drops
less than 16 people = normal drops + 1 bonus drop
each group of people over 18 = -1 drop

this would force the zerg to break up for a period of time

[Tassador]

Classic server is LoZ, I have no chars in holo but all I got to say is it wasn't a problem for you in nihium. Also, i remember you running around on a 60 vp bard killing level 52's admitting it was no challenge but had to be done.

Basically calling you out for being a hypocrite and 100% you'd do the same shit again giving the chance.

[Tune]

Classic server is LoZ, I have no chars in holo but all I got to say is it wasn't a problem for you in nihium. Also, i remember you running around on a 60 vp bard killing level 52's admitting it was no challenge but had to be done.

Basically calling you out for being a hypocrite and 100% you'd do the same shit again giving the chance.

stay on topic

would like feedback on the current idea

[Kergan]

Would flood the zone with lvl 46 alts to prevent enemy guild from getting loot

[Tune]

Would flood the zone with lvl 46 alts to prevent enemy guild from getting loot

FFA would have to be mandatory then, good call.

but not necessarily

lobie alts cant really kill the target. and u could just go after something else

and even if the lobies could beat it it would give gear to other people, they would need more lobies to win anyway and would receive less loot.

[Agatha]

i have been telling staff that they need to play an active roll on this server if they want to see this server as a pvp server.

limit guilds to a set amount of players, and you are done. simple as that.

its either a red server or not, so far the staff has let whoever zerged the hardest win this game. normally on live there would be a reputation based server and if you did the things you did on this server you would be seen in a negative light and noone would join your zerg.

this is untrue for this server since the majority of this server is for rejects from blue who just want to see pixels.

its a half in half out bullshit, i feel for anyone who truely wants to dragon pvp on this server because it will never happen, if they made this a pvp server the pop would drop. as long as things stay the same population will continue.

but dragon pvp will never happen on this server. it doesnt matter who is in top slot, could be azrael, could be holocaust, when u have a chance at dominating the server, without guild caps, you will always try to outzerg to secure the pixels.

edit: you are DUMB if you do not zerg to continue your dominance once you have the dragons locked down. as long as its not against the rules to zerg the server i don't fault any guild for doing it, its a viable strat as long as its not against the rules.

god, can you imagine how awesome this server would be if guilds were limited to 24 man raids though? how much fun we would be having right now?

[krazyGlue]

I like this idea . But there could be some srs flaws for example pulling a raid boss to a Zoneline and having 90% of the raid zone as the mob is about to die

[Kergan]

The guild membership cap is easily the most retarded idea I've ever heard.

[Agatha]

The guild membership cap is easily the most retarded idea I've ever heard.

why?

[Tune]

I like this idea . But there could be some srs flaws for example pulling a raid boss to a Zoneline and having 90% of the raid zone as the mob is about to die

oh i understand now , hrmm lemme think a way around this 1

you could make a check when the boss is engaged and when it dies?

[Tune]

why?

you cant cap member size bc they will just work together with out a tag

[Agatha]

I like this idea . But there could be some srs flaws for example pulling a raid boss to a Zoneline and having 90% of the raid zone as the mob is about to die

im not talking about having some kind of hard code written in, im talking about gentlemans agreement, people just being legit and also posting logs to GM's if shit wasn't on point when it died.


or we could actually have active staff and monitor dragon kills, just take 10 people who are willing to be the eyes for the GM's, make them guides, with the express purpose to show up at each dragon once a week for 1 hour, really isnt that hard at all to tell you the truth.

alas tho.... server destined to be a non pvp server.

[Kergan]

why?

Because it does nothing. People use TS nowadays not guild chat and shit. There would literally be Holocaust One, Holocaust Two and so on.

[Agatha]

you cant cap member size bc they will just work together with out a tag

see above post ^

[Agatha]

i mean, i can tell who belongs to what faction, why couldn't staff?


why isnt there a staff member on red that can do this? seems like it would be fairly easy. lol.


we don't need to hardcode this shit we just need someone interested enough to make the red server red. plenty of fish in that sea.

[Tune]

i mean, i can tell who belongs to what faction, why couldn't staff?


why isnt there a staff member on red that can do this? seems like it would be fairly easy. lol.


we don't need to hardcode this shit we just need someone interested enough to make the red server red. plenty of fish in that sea.

too much man hours agather

looking for a simpler solution

[LaMort]

put a limit member by guild and it should stop the zerglings crooting !

[Agatha]

too much man hours agather

looking for a simpler solution

for the current staff maybe, i know atleast 10 people not to mention myself that don't play anymore that would be willing to do this.

no skin in the game, lets do this baby.

[fred schnarf]

dude zergs till his guild leader banned for RMT

now wants zerging to stop

not sure if srs or dum

[Agatha]

dude zergs till his guild leader banned for RMT

now wants zerging to stop

not sure if srs or dum

was in azrael even had officer tag for a year until guild quit on me leaving me jupe and a few other friends to play by ourselves for 3-4 months between each reset.

joined a guild that could cater to my playstyle. dont regret joining nihilum, i had alot of fun. would i had there been a 2nd guild that had other playes of my calibur? hell no.

[Tune]

dude zergs till his guild leader banned for RMT

now wants zerging to stop

not sure if srs or dum

yes zerged because there was no solution to prevent it

zerging is inevitable, unless some one thinks of a simpe way to solve it

[krazyGlue]

Also another problem is . Is it just the agro list or entire zone considered

[SHOWITME]

stop the zerg, do what live did

instances

this way, every1 gets loots. pras

[Nirgon]

300 players online, 70 are Holo

Try to figure out how to win

[dis_mornin]

This is easily the worst thread on the forums.

[Humerox]

The guild membership cap is easily the most retarded idea I've ever heard.

I agree. just because you're not competent enough to get people to like you doesn't mean you start creating more artificial rules like guild caps and variance.

You see what it did to blue and that's why most of us don't play there.

[heartbrand]

Fresh / friends and az have combined more members than holo and could compete. They choose not to. This isn't classic where there were 40 people online, 35 of whom were Nihilum.

[Humerox]

Fresh / friends and az have combined more members than holo and could compete. They choose not to. This isn't classic where there were 40 people online, 35 of whom were Nihilum.

Some of us in <Fresh> recognize that. It's a matter of quashing grudges and hatred coming from all sides. We're working on it.

[Chronoburn]

Let's be real, the zerging will never stop. Even if the current zerg implodes somehow, another will form shortly after. People will always flock to team ez and conform.

[heartbrand]

unfortunately lite is an egotistical megalomaniac who will do his best to torpedo any effort to merge/ally with other guilds if he's not on top of the food chain and calling all the shots.

[Humerox]

Let's be real, the zerging will never stop. Even if the current zerg implodes somehow, another will form shortly after. People will always flock to team ez and conform.

Even if <Holocaust> implodes in time it will be a matter of degree. They won't lose so many they'll lose the guild...it's just be easier for adversaries to compete.

[Nadir]

Shards of Dalaya hardcode capped the number of PCs that could be on aggro list for raid mobs. Guessing that would not be difficult to implement here but shit ain't classic...just like most everything else on this server.

[Humerox]

unfortunately lite is an egotistical megalomaniac who will do his best to torpedo any effort to merge/ally with other guilds if he's not on top of the food chain and calling all the shots.

Not so sure about that. Lite's not stupid, lol. He has his faults but stupidity isn't one of them...being blinded by egomania != stupidity.

I think the hatred between Lite and Max is gonna be a tough one to tackle, tho.

[Nirgon]

Let's be real, the zerging will never stop. Even if the current zerg implodes somehow, another will form shortly after. People will always flock to team ez and conform.

At times there's another 250 people online

Just get them higher in level and geared

[Chronoburn]

Even if <Holocaust> implodes in time it will be a matter of degree. They won't lose so many they'll lose the guild...it's just be easier for adversaries to compete.

I'm just saying the competition will be short lived and the herd will flock to the winning guild.

[HippoNipple]

Flood zone in with level 1's, or level 50's, etc. for that matter. Doesn't matter. Bind them outside zone and have them run in to screw up loot.

Other side of it. Have 70 available for raid, camp all but 15 before dragon dies, everyone logs back in.

[kildone]

I think the OP is good idea in concept but impossible to implement. I think Kergen pointed out that people could sabotage the effort. The idea is not to get the loot but to ruin another guilds chances out of spite and malice.

The idea of instances was a joke I am sure... So I wont bite that one.

To be honest I believe the only valid solution was posed by Agatha regardless if he played in a 'zerg' because that was the only real option for him to have fun.

I know for a fact that there are many people who would volunteer to be guides / GM's and that given a good number of them could police themselves. I know for a fact that both Blue and Red populations would rise if such a solution was put in place.

But there must be something I am missing. With such an easy solution and no end of volunteers, why is it not already so? I would love to hear why it wouldn't work or how it was already attempted and failed.

Computer code is not the answer, at least not for P99. Not enough devs or income streams to really make something like that work.

I believe community and manpower is the answer.

[Guido]

I had this dream one time

but its clear that the staff does not care about zerg mentality

if they did, they wouldnt let holocaust do what nihilum did

which is slowly kill the high end guild v guild pvp scene

maybe one day tho.

[SamwiseRed]

How to stop caring is the real question that should be asked.

[kildone]

To clarify. I said I know for a fact, but I only know that I have read many posts over the years of folks volunteering to step in and help.

Would they really give up playing on the server they were a guide on? Put their time where their mouth is? Would they really be able to be impartial and not bicker about corruption and really police themselves?

Maybe I am naive for believe so, but I think its worth a shot considering so many, many people want something to happen on both blue and red.

[daasgoot]

300 players online, 70 are Holo

Try to figure out how to win

doesn't the online count include all people at character select?

[vouss]

I don't think the combined forces of azrael, fresh, and friennds would yield as much as holocaust does on most occasions. For sure not in VP

[Genedin]

Some of us in <Fresh> recognize that. It's a matter of quashing grudges and hatred coming from all sides. We're working on it.

This has always been and always will be the reason that there is one dominant zerg on this server and while there will always be posts like this.

People think any of this shit actually matters and for too many individuals P99 is the main source of friendships and socializing in their lives so grudges, bad blood, etc are real life shit to them.

Combine the reasoning in the sentence above with the reasons that cause this situation in the first place (social disorders) of said individuals and you have an infinite loop.

Sorry pal, but if this server was made up of cool and normal people that wanted to play a pvp server for pvp instead of amassing pixels for no real reason, then it would already have happened. This is not the case and it will never happen.

[Humerox]

sad, that

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

sad, that

[fred schnarf]

fresh + az combined = 3 times what holo has

get someone to actually lead and start killing people and bosses, and stop making threads about how staff should fix your problems when YOU need to fix them

[Humerox]

fresh + az combined = 3 times what holo has

get someone to actually lead and start killing people and bosses, and stop making threads about how staff should fix your problems when YOU need to fix them

100% agree with this

[kildone]

fresh + az combined = 3 times what holo has

get someone to actually lead and start killing people and bosses, and stop making threads about how staff should fix your problems when YOU need to fix them

Not possible without an adequate staff. Even with multiple guilds it just wont work, look at blue. Many people put in huge efforts and 90% of raiders are unhappy with current solutions.

Its the few "bad apples" that will bring red back to the same place over and over again and without proper enforcement of policies it will be bound to happen yet again.

Maybe Fresh will beat Holo, then Fresh will be come Holo.

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/history/quotations/lessons_of_history.html


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

Well I said my peace, thanks to those who really try to be helpful in their posts on threads like these, even if I don't happen to agree with all of youz.

[Kergan]

The only way to solve the zerg "problem" is to make it a hindrance and less effective to have a ton of people.

I'll use RoZ as an example. The Dentists were by far the top crew there but were very selective in their recruitment, despite being able to essentially recruit the whole server if they chose. This was because there was no need to recruit more than 7-8 people to do any content, and once you passed that threshold it served no purpose aside from extending the time it took to farm the gear they needed. Once they were done doing a raid target and everyone had what they needed they stopped killing it because their time was better spent doing other things.

As you make mobs more difficult and requiring more people to kill, you exponentially increase the guild size requirement. If you only need 10 people, you can succeed with 12-14 hardcore players. If you need 20 to do anything you're probably going to need more than 24-28, if you need 30 you'll likely need a roster of 60, and so on to make sure you have the right class coverage at all raids. It becomes exponentially more difficult to gear up alts as well with more mouths to feed, further increasing the difficulty to having enough geared clerics, tanks etc, especially with the small amount of class specific gear in EQ.

There is a reason that every expansion ever released by Sony addressed this directly. Unfortunately the classic era falls before almost every one of these balance changes - instancing, raid zone caps, removal of certain class dependencies, etc. The only answer Sony had to making the game a challenge up until PoP was to require more and more people to kill the shit or make the fights take longer (I will say that Ssra temple is the only really notable exception to this, wish the dude designing those raids would have done the whole xpac).

Sorry for the TLDR, honestly. But it really grinds my gears when people whine about zerging in the EQ classic era. The game was BUILT around it. Every single decent EQ live guild would be considered a zerg on this server and were easily the size of Nihilum or Holo. The only difference is here these guilds are half of the max level population instead of 10-20%.

You want more competitive high end guilds that raid? You'll get one for about every +200 pop you add. That is the only way to solve this problem without specifically tuning the end game to killing the shit with half the numbers or less than was required on live to make it easy.

[Kergan]

The only way to solve the zerg "problem" is to make it a hindrance and less effective to have a ton of people.

I'll use RoZ as an example. The Dentists were by far the top crew there but were very selective in their recruitment, despite being able to essentially recruit the whole server if they chose. This was because there was no need to recruit more than 7-8 people to do any content, and once you passed that threshold it served no purpose aside from extending the time it took to farm the gear they needed. Once they were done doing a raid target and everyone had what they needed they stopped killing it because their time was better spent doing other things.

As you make mobs more difficult and requiring more people to kill, you exponentially increase the guild size requirement. If you only need 10 people, you can succeed with 12-14 hardcore players. If you need 20 to do anything you're probably going to need more than 24-28, if you need 30 you'll likely need a roster of 60, and so on to make sure you have the right class coverage at all raids. It becomes exponentially more difficult to gear up alts as well with more mouths to feed, further increasing the difficulty to having enough geared clerics, tanks etc, especially with the small amount of class specific gear in EQ.

There is a reason that every expansion ever released by Sony addressed this directly. Unfortunately the classic era falls before almost every one of these balance changes - instancing, raid zone caps, removal of certain class dependencies, etc. The only answer Sony had to making the game a challenge up until PoP was to require more and more people to kill the shit or make the fights take longer (I will say that Ssra temple is the only really notable exception to this, wish the dude designing those raids would have done the whole xpac).

Sorry for the TLDR, honestly. But it really grinds my gears when people whine about zerging in the EQ classic era. The game was BUILT around it. Every single decent EQ live guild would be considered a zerg on this server and were easily the size of Nihilum or Holo. The only difference is here these guilds are half of the max level population instead of 10-20%.

You want more competitive high end guilds that raid? You'll get one for about every +200 pop you add. That is the only way to solve this problem without specifically tuning the end game to killing the shit with half the numbers or less than was required on live to make it easy.

TLDRing myself because that is a wall of fucking text...jesus.

[Genedin]

It's a valid point, but you have to remember that so many of the people playing here are already geared and there is an endless cycle of new recruits they have to gear and that will never be seen again.

If the intention of people was really to PVP and have mass PVP battles it would be happening because the fully geared players would just make their own guilds for this reason, instead you get one dominant guild focused on amassing pixels.

I'm not ridiculing anyone, but the fact is people are playing the server the way the people in power want it to be played, either because they like it like that, or they don't have any other options.

[Ragnaros]

Velious will kill the server and pvp

[Tune]

stay on topic , can u guys think of anyway to circumvent this rule?

krazy and kergan has good points

i dont see the alts being too much of a problem

and a check when the mob is engaged and dies should fix people zoning out during the fight

[Genedin]

Tune bro.

You of all people know how many shits the GM's give about this server and how realistic asking any type of custom rules or coding for this server to the end you are trying to achieve really is.

Remember that time we were going to get our down dedicated CSR members and the GM's were going to care about this server.

I remember the last three times....

[Kergan]

The issue with reducing loot is it is so easily circumvented by having half the guild sit on the other side of the zone line and zone in to loot as awarded. You're essentially duplicating the raid cap without any of the restrictions that made it a viable way to reduce guild size (i.e. you can't get items if you weren't part of the kill).

Even instancing isn't a very workable solution, most of the top WoW guilds have A, B, C teams for people who quit or develop assbergers and need to be removed.

I guess my point was unless you want to mess with the way EQ is built at its core in the classic era this isn't a problem that has a solution. If you're willing to start messing with it you've got a custom server and that has repeatedly been rejected.

I hope at some point the people who own the code to this box will decide to give a custom server addressing all the issues EQ has while maintaining the classic code with NPCs, pathing, quests, etc a shot. There is no reason that with 15 years of consideration we as a community couldn't build a better mouse trap. :)

[Smedy]

make the number of loots from bosses be dependent on the number of people in the zone at the time the boss is killed.

rough example would be

18 people = normal drops
less than 18 people = normal drops + 1 bonus drop
each group of people over 18 = -1 drop

this would create some scenarios in my head but i haven't seen a major problem

would be easily griefed and also very hard to accomplish code wise.

another way to discourage zerging is variance, look at ragefire, the only time anyone shows up to pvp is the first 2 random spawns, cause its the only one spawn where people know holocaust might not be able to get twice the numbers, people dont even show up for the static ones when they know that holocaust has the timer cause they know they'll be outnumbered 3to1 so variance in ragefire scenario the random spawns definitly leads to more pvp

and zerging on a variance box would give you a bigger shot at finding mobs up, but also be very detrimental as your loot would be so spread out and there would be nice as fuck for smaller guilds

either way nothing is happening as 70% of box is in holocaust and will vote down any suggestion that would put their current guild structure out of shape, it's not about having fun, its about getting as many pixels as possible with as little risk as possible

[Tune]

yes you would have to make most of the guild wait outside... that would still accomplish something tho

it would still break the zerg up temporarily ( a good thing)

it would force fewer members to actually defeat the mob (more challenging)

also would make it possible for a contesting guild to camp inside to disrupt things

[Buhbuh]

stay on topic , can u guys think of anyway to circumvent this rule?

krazy and kergan has good points

i dont see the alts being too much of a problem

and a check when the mob is engaged and dies should fix people zoning out during the fight

you do realize that losing -1 loot for every group over a certain number would mean zergs would be killing mobs for 0 loot every single week, which would amount to guilds making caps, which would probably just amount to one giant guild making 3 different guilds formed under the same leadership to kill mobs and get all the loot

this is EQ, zergs happen

[Kringe]

I will come back and lead a small guild to kill the zerg in velious...

BE PREPARED you HAVE BEEN Warned ahead of time!

[Kergan]

would be easily griefed and also very hard to accomplish code wise.

another way to discourage zerging is variance, look at ragefire, the only time anyone shows up to pvp is the first 2 random spawns, cause its the only one spawn where people know holocaust might not be able to get twice the numbers, people dont even show up for the static ones when they know that holocaust has the timer cause they know they'll be outnumbered 3to1 so variance in ragefire scenario the random spawns definitly leads to more pvp

and zerging on a variance box would give you a bigger shot at finding mobs up, but also be very detrimental as your loot would be so spread out and there would be nice as fuck for smaller guilds

either way nothing is happening as 70% of box is in holocaust and will vote down any suggestion that would put their current guild structure out of shape, it's not about having fun, its about getting as many pixels as possible with as little risk as possible

It's pretty simple math to understand that being part of a larger force gives you better coverage for randomness. Even if you think guilds like Fresh, Azrael, Friends, etc will get more mobs with variance it still does absolutely nothing to change the fact that Holo still has the best odds at any mob and therefor nothing changes.

The only way people stop zerging is if they have a better chance at pixels not joining the zerg. That would effectively force a soft cap on guild size where adding more bodies actually hinders the character progression of people in the guild.

Very easy to do this actually, just change all the raid targets to 4 hour timers. Hell, at this point the gear saturation is so ridiculous compared to live you aren't even hurting anything. People will fragment just in time for Velious and maybe it'll stick who knows.

[Tune]

you do realize that losing -1 loot for every group over a certain number would mean zergs would be killing mobs for 0 loot every single week, which would amount to guilds making caps, which would probably just amount to one giant guild making 3 different guilds formed under the same leadership to kill mobs and get all the loot

this is EQ, zergs happen

this doesnt have to do with guilds , this has to do with the # of people in the zone

[vouss]

Who cares if you want pixels just join holo instead

[Kergan]

I will come back and lead a small guild to kill the zerg in velious...

BE PREPARED you HAVE BEEN Warned ahead of time!

You got a website up with an app page yet?

[aborted]

Some of us in <Fresh> recognize that. It's a matter of quashing grudges and hatred coming from all sides. We're working on it.

I would say its mostly Bigtuna's hatred for a few people that were in Az.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

oh, another custom server thread.

for shame tune. for shame.

[Tune]

just played out a pretty good example in my head, tell me what u think

lets say the rule is in effect...

azrael takes 30 to kill ct, holo zones in 70 to clear them out

seeing a pointless fight, azrael gates out

when its time a kill ct, holo is forced to zone 40 out for the kill leaving it at a vulnerable state , it can easily get wiped outside by the 30 azrael

also alt chracters can be camped out inside to deal with the diminished size of the holo zerg inside

it also creates a new dynamic because it forces holo to play "keep away" if azrael can get past holo and zone in then pvp must be dealt with before ct dies bc it will drop zero loot with all the people in the zone.

i duno i think this forces the zerg to split up even if for a brief period its a good thing.

[FaithlessKR]

just played out a pretty good example in my head, tell me what u think

lets say the rule is in effect...

azrael takes 30 to kill ct, holo zones in 70 to clear them out

seeing a pointless fight, azrael gates out

when its time a kill ct, holo is forced to zone 40 out for the kill leaving it at a vulnerable state , it can easily get wiped outside by the 30 azrael

also alt chracters can be camped out inside to deal with the diminished size of the holo zerg inside

it also creates a new dynamic because it forces holo to play "keep away" if azrael can get past holo and zone in then pvp must be dealt with before ct dies bc it will drop zero loot with all the people in the zone.

i duno i think this forces the zerg to split up even if for a brief period its a good thing.

There is so much dumb in this post it hurts my head.

Gonna say this again for the 80th time...those of you who don't wanna deal with zergs go to Devnoob's box where you can kill everything with 6 people and have custom content. Very fun box it just needs pop to flow there, your posts here are going to get you nothing.

[FaithlessKR]

To those upset about fighting a zerg and wanting to down content with limited numbers and having custom content, this is what you're looking for (http://www.eqpvp.com/index.php)

[Kergan]

Can you imagine a devnoob box with r99 pop?

I want to believe.

[FaithlessKR]

Can you imagine a devnoob box with r99 pop?

I want to believe.

I'd go back, I'd even help gear everyone out in HoT gear to get them started.

[Kergan]

I would as well. Not sure why he is so intent on not doing a wipe. A seasonal approach would work pretty well for a box like that I think.

[Kergan]

People just have no perspective here. There were guilds on live with 10x as many people in them.

[heartbrand]

I have an idea.

Free Chopper

[grannock]

You guys are all way off the mark, everyone should be limited to 1 char and 1 account. These neckbeards that have 45 level 60s parked in every zone is the problem.

[FaithlessKR]

You guys are all way off the mark, everyone should be limited to 1 char and 1 account. These neckbeards that have 45 level 60s parked in every zone is the problem.

While I only have one level 60, I can assure you that if this were the case...90% of the server would have quit over 2 years ago out of pure boredom.

[grannock]

Most of them quit or rmt'd it all away. This idea that i can have a guild of 12 peeps who controll 50+ accounts fucks all the server dynamics up. If they launched the server with this ruleset you would have much more competition and pvp. They should also make u sit at a zoneline for 10-30 seconds after you zone. Plugging/q droping as a "strategy" makes most pvp meaningless, it is all next to zonelines because nobody wants to get yt'd somewhere else.

Bottom line is this game takea more social skill than video game skill, you want to impresa someone with your skills play LoL or SC, you wanna impress someone with your ability to lead a large group or your ability to sit on your ass for 30 hours straight, welcome to eq. Eq pvp has always been numbers based, your wasting your time expecting something else.

[FaithlessKR]

Most of them quit or rmt'd it all away. This idea that i can have a guild of 12 peeps who controll 50+ accounts fucks all the server dynamics up. If they launched the server with this ruleset you would have much more competition and pvp. They should also make u sit at a zoneline for 10-30 seconds after you zone. Plugging/q droping as a "strategy" makes most pvp meaningless, it is all next to zonelines because nobody wants to get yt'd somewhere else.

Bottom line is this game takea more social skill than video game skill, you want to impresa someone with your skills play LoL or SC, you wanna impress someone with your ability to lead a large group or your ability to sit on your ass for 30 hours straight, welcome to eq. Eq pvp has always been numbers based, your wasting your time expecting something else.

No you're 100% off your rocker. Limiting someone to one character will make the general populace bail within a month, or a year tops.

What do you do when your character has all the best gear?? Most people wont log in because there's nothing for them to do, anyone who is able to fight them is just gonna gate or plug because they will cling onto the gear gap excuse.

[Stasis01]

Velious will fix everything.

[cockscythe]

3 guilds, controlled by server, when you log in you are auto balanced into one of them, like counterstrike or other fps games. would be mad gay, but people might reduce whining by 3%

[magician]

tune the jokester

[grannock]

Im not saying change it now, im saying have a better ruleset for pvp when te server was launched. Nothing can be done at this point.

What to do when char has the beat gear???? Gasp pvp other high levels and contest content? Nah ill roll a twink sk and farm people random level 40 dungeon.

[FaithlessKR]

Im not saying change it now, im saying have a better ruleset for pvp when te server was launched. Nothing can be done at this point.

What to do when char has the beat gear???? Gasp pvp other high levels and contest content? Nah ill roll a twink sk and farm people random level 40 dungeon.

It's a horrible idea both at server launch and now. Nobody would play some shitty server where you can only have one character, everyone who did play would find ways around it using vpn or what have you just to have another character to play.

Because playing one character for several years of eq would fucking blow nutsack

[kildone]

That's all moot, without charging people money there is no way to limit a guild size or the amount of characters /accounts per person.

There are enough tech savvy folks playing this game to come up with a solution around any such type of restriction, they could then easily share said solution.

I remember how much trouble our IT dept had trying to restrict Internet usage where I work. That was on an internal network. "Try to tell me I can't get on Facebook just cause I have work to do and sometimes get viruses!" lol

I could however see people quitting in a rage if they instuted such now... Ok everyone pick one character and the rest get deleted starting tomorrow...

[kildone]

To those upset about fighting a zerg and wanting to down content with limited numbers and having custom content, this is what you're looking for (http://www.eqpvp.com/index.php)

This looks neat at first glance, I will have to read more. Thank for posting!

[kildone]

Very easy to do this actually, just change all the raid targets to 4 hour timers. Hell, at this point the gear saturation is so ridiculous compared to live you aren't even hurting anything. People will fragment just in time for Velious and maybe it'll stick who knows.

Lol good thought if one really thinks about it. Your on a roll man.

[kildone]

just played out a pretty good example in my head, tell me what u think

lets say the rule is in effect...

azrael takes 30 to kill ct, holo zones in 70 to clear them out

seeing a pointless fight, azrael gates out

when its time a kill ct, holo is forced to zone 40 out for the kill leaving it at a vulnerable state , it can easily get wiped outside by the 30 azrael

also alt chracters can be camped out inside to deal with the diminished size of the holo zerg inside

it also creates a new dynamic because it forces holo to play "keep away" if azrael can get past holo and zone in then pvp must be dealt with before ct dies bc it will drop zero loot with all the people in the zone.

i duno i think this forces the zerg to split up even if for a brief period its a good thing.

Isn't the main point that people dont have to be in a guild to be a Zerg force. When raiding was fairly new on Fennin Ro communication was done in shout because smaller guilds banded together.

If you can't use guild tags how can you differentiate between az and holo in your example? If you only look at people in zone period, I tend to think people would show up just to play spoiler. If we don't get lots nobody gets loots.

I appreciate you seem to be genuine in your intent. I think it boils down to the blue at hearts just outnumber the red at hearts here on p99 red raiding scene. If that were not the case wouldn't Holo split so they could PvP against each other, AZ and Fresh for the raid targets?

Have yet to see a real workable solution...

[Kringe]

You can stop with the PM's I am being facetious. I am not coming back in Velious to lead a guild against Holocaust... Colgate & Gong are pals.. Gluck to their crootin.

[Colgate]

tune arguing for insanely retarded non-classic changes to help lite win at elf sim

snortled so hard my nose started bleeding

[Buhbuh]

this doesnt have to do with guilds , this has to do with the # of people in the zone


that would mean if a force of PvP zoned into somewhere where you were raiding, you couldn't engage anything, even if it took the other force 20 minutes (or longer) to get to you (if that was even their purpose).

[Tune]

That's all moot, without charging people money there is no way to limit a guild size or the amount of characters /accounts per person.

There are enough tech savvy folks playing this game to come up with a solution around any such type of restriction, they could then easily share said solution.

I remember how much trouble our IT dept had trying to restrict Internet usage where I work. That was on an internal network. "Try to tell me I can't get on Facebook just cause I have work to do and sometimes get viruses!" lol

I could however see people quitting in a rage if they instuted such now... Ok everyone pick one character and the rest get deleted starting tomorrow...

Isn't the main point that people dont have to be in a guild to be a Zerg force. When raiding was fairly new on Fennin Ro communication was done in shout because smaller guilds banded together.

If you can't use guild tags how can you differentiate between az and holo in your example? If you only look at people in zone period, I tend to think people would show up just to play spoiler. If we don't get lots nobody gets loots.

I appreciate you seem to be genuine in your intent. I think it boils down to the blue at hearts just outnumber the red at hearts here on p99 red raiding scene. If that were not the case wouldn't Holo split so they could PvP against each other, AZ and Fresh for the raid targets?

Have yet to see a real workable solution...

i am well aware there can be a huge amount of people un-guilded and working together

this idea takes into account total number of players, and doesn't look at guild tags

please re-read

[Kergan]

You can stop with the PM's I am being facetious. I am not coming back in Velious to lead a guild against Holocaust... Colgate & Gong are pals.. Gluck to their crootin.

https://rickpdx.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/tear_engine.gif?w=500

[Kergan]

You can stop with the PM's I am being facetious. I am not coming back in Velious to lead a guild against Holocaust... Colgate & Gong are pals.. Gluck to their crootin.

tbh the best thing for Holo and the server would be to have quality opposition where the guild leaders doesn't hate each other with a passion.

[Tune]

I will come back and lead a small guild to kill the zerg in velious...

BE PREPARED you HAVE BEEN Warned ahead of time!

kringe's armies allied with the duke's armies shall ride against the armies of the holocaust zerg and restore peace once more

the oracle has spoken

[bouncerr 2.0]

love agatha's view on it, just limit guild numbers then this server would be a fucking blast

[Tune]

love agatha's view on it, just limit guild numbers then this server would be a fucking blast

jesus christ are you people dense?

you can't do this bc people can work together without a guild tag

[bouncerr 2.0]

i was thinking that as i typed it, of course guilds would just ally but making the loot custom is something i dont think we will ever see.

[Tune]

i was thinking that as i typed it, of course guilds would just ally but making the loot custom is something i dont think we will ever see.

agree there

but i just wanted to say there is plenty of custom stuff on the server already...

and about to be custom recharge quests to benefit zergs...

i figured we might as well discuss the possibility of putting something in to benefit everyone else

[bouncerr 2.0]

i dont hate holocaust for what they have done, its brought positive things but at the same time i feel like the server isnt red anymore kinda sucks, there is pvp but its just different

[Kergan]

lol'd at "anymore"

[Littlegyno 13.0]

http://i.imgur.com/RLlJJxt.png

this thread is a complete fucking mess.

[Clark]

Wipe Dead99 clean.

[Clark]

pvp all day erry day

whats ur issue? what zone u in? kerra isle or somethin?

Need thousand + players for PVP to be good; even at least 600+. Stuffs way to small scale/too personal on Dead99.

[Farzo]

make it so dragons are non-engageable till 18 x guild and 18 y and or 18 z guild are in zone....and for vp make it 24 x and 24 y. also keep the ratios similair that is if x guild has 18 in zone they cannot zone more in till y or z guild has 12 in zone. etc etc. once these requirements are met there is a 5 mins count down till dragon can be slayed.

dragons stay in this state for +/- 48 hours upon spawn then go FFA if not slayed.

simples.

youll get faggots making fake guilds to bypass but restrict guilds to 15 members till they apply for a raid upgrade and if thry are caught been a supplement guild then guikd tag and leader of guild is destroyed.

-----

this would force guilds to arrange pvp times and restrict numbers for pvp on raid targets.

and also alloww smaller guilds a chance to get their raid ticket and snipe mobs from bigger guilds.

in addition big guilds would be forced to seperate their guild across the world in groups of 18-24 to take as many raid targets which leads back to above point of smaller guilds pvping/sniping mobs

----

edit and u cannot enter vp unlesz ur tagged in a raid guild i.e stop faggots making heaps of 15 member guilds to poopsock

[Tomm Selleck]

http://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/bendingtimeisgood+rolled+a+random+image+posted+in+ comment+22+at+_93deab0faa5ea837b98474fc29c8f9bd.gi f

LOL

dat youthful gandalf

[Jimmybones]

heres how to stop zerging

http://galleries.guildlaunch.net/283719/Proposal_21501Pop.png

jesus christ .. are those the rules on blue?

[Tassador]

make it so dragons are non-engageable till 18 x guild and 18 y and or 18 z guild are in zone....and for vp make it 24 x and 24 y. also keep the ratios similair that is if x guild has 18 in zone they cannot zone more in till y or z guild has 12 in zone. etc etc. once these requirements are met there is a 5 mins count down till dragon can be slayed.

dragons stay in this state for +/- 48 hours upon spawn then go FFA if not slayed.

simples.

youll get faggots making fake guilds to bypass but restrict guilds to 15 members till they apply for a raid upgrade and if thry are caught been a supplement guild then guikd tag and leader of guild is destroyed.

-----

this would force guilds to arrange pvp times and restrict numbers for pvp on raid targets.

and also alloww smaller guilds a chance to get their raid ticket and snipe mobs from bigger guilds.

in addition big guilds would be forced to seperate their guild across the world in groups of 18-24 to take as many raid targets which leads back to above point of smaller guilds pvping/sniping mobs

----

edit and u cannot enter vp unlesz ur tagged in a raid guild i.e stop faggots making heaps of 15 member guilds to poopsock

Guaranteed no one read this.

[Macdeth]

2 guilds, randomly assigned at each login based on current in-game population. Equal war 24-7. Totally Vlassic.

Or just play the fucking game and deal with things you cannot change.

[HippoNipple]

Derubael Banned loads of people (toons) and made sure there was no one left to fight holo while prob makeing gainz for himself. All the banned people that prob would do something are left with Nothing and 0 justice !

Who got banned that would fight Holocaust? If you are referring to Nihilum that happened before Holocaust 2.0 was around.

[Kergan]

Guaranteed no one read this.

I read the first sentence and realized the entire idea was going to be equally bad so I skipped the rest of the post.

[Genedin]

I read the first sentence and realized the entire idea was going to be equally bad so I skipped the rest of the post.

[Kergan]

1 guild died from the Derubael rage . what was left of nihilum and few others made holo. even if your 2.0 was 1 week or 1 month latter the end result was the same.

Not really what happened at all honestly.

[Kergan]

Who got banned for nothing? Come on man.

[HippoNipple]

my point is maybe there are some that Had the power to Fight but instead they got banned for nothing

There was nothing to fight when they got banned. The guild you are saying would be defeated by these banned folks wouldn't even be around. People complained a lot more about Nihlum than they do Holocaust so having Nihilum around isn't a desirable alternative for those on the server that don't like Holocaust.

[HippoNipple]

i realy dont care all i know is the few with the power to make a dif TODAY! are banned from a corrupt Gm

Besides Nizzar because he may or may not be allowed on the server, who are you referring to? Who could come back and make a difference that wouldn't be able to find someone to loan them a char day 1 back on the server? If they have such strong relationships to make waves they could probably get a char to drive or be PL and have a MQ epic ready to go anyways.

If they are going to make a difference 2-3 weeks of work shouldn't be holding them back.

[Tune]

can also modify the mechanic to force the zerg to split up x amount of time before the mob is engaged or there is no loot... say 10 mins. this is to give a smaller guild a chance to so some work

[Tune]

this is the worst idea ever presented on these boards

give it up you lost

yeah i think hiring a full time staff member free of charge to police who is still with what faction was a better idea

(sarcasm)

[Kergan]

Don't hate the zerg hate the game.

[Ezalor]

all PvP servers with FFA rulesets have ended up as a 1-2 zerg guild server

unless anyone can show me an example otherwise

[Tune]

yeah because no one thinks of a soultion

or tries it out

[Nirgon]

Pop is 300+ at times under our command

was 5-60 under yours

I think we'll take it from here

[dontbanpls]

Holocaust doing more and more of the same shit nihilum did with every passing day.

[Tune]

Pop is 300+ at times under our command

was 5-60 under yours

I think we'll take it from here

i never commanded anything

and this:

Holocaust doing more and more of the same shit nihilum did with every passing day.

[fred schnarf]

yes zerged because there was no solution to prevent it

zerging is inevitable, unless some one thinks of a simpe way to solve it

you could just not do it

oh wait you wanted to zerg

till your leader banned for RMT

not sure if srs or dum

[Nirgon]

We're not destroying raid loot in front of people unless they've raided for 5+ months

Or sploiting

Or have staff in our guild pulling strings

Or having a champion RMTer as guild leader

List goes on

[Ezalor]

just brings me back to my point, ffa ruleset inevitably = zerg guild

if not holo it'd be someone else. holo is better than most alternatives

[fred schnarf]

yeah because no one thinks of a soultion

or tries it out

was no reason to try it out with you running the zerg right zerger?

shit i remember when leaderboard came out you played what, 15 hours a day and ported all over the game griefing every level 52 that tried to level up and join the resistance?

[Tune]

We're not destroying raid loot in front of people unless they've raided for 5+ months

Or sploiting

Or have staff in our guild pulling strings

Or having a champion RMTer as guild leader

List goes on

nothing true here

also my past has no impact on me wanting to make the server a better place today

[fiegi 8.0]

Holo taking the server to another level atm

the thurive is alive

[Tune]

Holo taking the server to another level atm

the thurive is alive

you have the entire server in 1 guild

nihilum was never that bad

[Tune]

seriously do u guys even play? or just log in once a week

[Nirgon]

Thx Chuck

Tune srsly pal :rolleyes:

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Not gonna make zerging go away, need people outside of holocaust to put aside differences and let the past go, work together and fight zerg vs zerg. These dreams of 18 - 30 man forces are just that...dreams. I have absolutely nothing against holo myself, they are doing exactly what they should do, it's the rest if the server that's not combating it right

[fiegi 8.0]

you have the entire server in 1 guild

nihilum was never that bad

Nirgon said it all, holo does it the clean way, which results in the current population nightly over 300

Nihilum did it the dirty way, which resulted in a population that hit 20

[Tune]

i think u guys are taking this the wrong way

this is a way you can actually receive more loot

but in a more challenging way

[Tune]

Nirgon said it all, holo does it the clean way, which results in the current population nightly over 300

Nihilum did it the dirty way, which resulted in a population that hit 20

Holocaust doing more and more of the same shit nihilum did with every passing day.

[fiegi 8.0]

I don't wanna sound like a dick, but your thoughts would carry more weight if you weren't banned on like 15 different characters for cheating.

real swell guy tho

[Nirgon]

Yeah you need to stop complaining to us and start phoning up McQuaid

We're not changing plans of killing AoW/Tunare over some people complaining

[Tune]

not really complaining i just think we view the game a bit differently at this point in time.

you guys feel like the end justifies the means - get pixels

i actually want to have fun along the way because the pixels are always going to be there to be had

[Tune]

you had a level 1 warrior and enchanter in full VP gear before getting level 2

you deleted gear and made people spent 5 months as an app before giving them no drops

your guild leader which you were an officer of ran an RMT business

you, the officer, used macros to play BP / BUFF clerics afk over night and exploited faction and tradeskills

go away, point moot faggot


1) yes
2) no
3) no
4) no, heal macro how was the exp you piece of shit
5) no

[Tune]

LOG IN RIGHT NOW SAY IT TO MY NORRATH FACE

jk cus b&

little busy for that, going to a real gym now via a gym membership

how is your living room rug working out for you? still using a broom stick attached to 2 water jugs for a barbell?

spend less time in the game and on the forums, u obviously need to take a break

[Pikrib]

4) no, heal macro how was the exp you piece of shit


http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/Strikeninja95/damn.gif

[fiegi 8.0]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/Strikeninja95/damn.gif

haha good one got me chortling

[Nirgon]

How about join Friends there Tune pal

Get a real resistance going u kno

Side question: Why is working for Nizzar so much more appealing than working for Gongshow in Norrath? Gongshow is a gr8 pixel boss, love my job here @ Holo Inc

[Tune]

hey check it out retti

http://physicalculturist.ca/no-gym-no-problem-no-excuses/

http://physicalculturist.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/no-excuses-ghetto-bench.jpg

[Tune]

How about join Friends there Tune pal

Get a real resistance going u kno

Side question: Why is working for Nizzar so much more appealing than working for Gongshow in Norrath? Gongshow is a gr8 pixel boss, love my job here @ Holo Inc

i like u guys dont get me wrong

cept rettiwalk

[Nirgon]

You've now quoted the same Retti post twice with mean angry response content

i like u guys dont get me wrong

cept rettiwalk

So? Stasis doesn't like me, doesn't get into my shit and I don't get into his. We share the same victories. Works out nice.

Can't think of a top Velious guild in history where everyone was best friends or someone didn't have some other dude they hated.

[Tune]

You've now quoted the same Retti post twice with mean angry response content

huh

[Nirgon]

goog edit

being snakey while denying being snakey

[Tune]

You've now quoted the same Retti post twice with mean angry response content



So? Stasis doesn't like me, doesn't get into my shit and I don't get into his. We share the same victories. Works out nice.

Can't think of a top Velious guild in history where everyone was best friends or someone didn't have some other dude they hated.

thats not really stopping me from joining...

i kinda have the cast treatment atm for using my keyboard to hit my bp in an exp group

most of the server should be banned if this cheating was universally enforced

[Nirgon]

You also insta poofed on Holo 1.0 with a train on you on your cleric, then after everyone was dead you came back in to res Nilly.

You had absolutely no good reason to do any of that shit though, you were basically assured victory at that point.

So going a few pages back... when you were that far ahead why'd you feel the need to keep pushing the envelope and put your pixels in jeopardy? Same with the autofire keyboard dude. You literally had no reason to do that and were coasting clear into Ice Clad. I know the staff isn't able (not chooses not to trust me do something in front of them for prof, huge difference) to catch every random act of cheating but they certainly hit hard when they do finally snab you.

I'd say join up with the Friends and use your extremely high play time/EQ knowledge to help them beat us. You were running around on that warrior and not banned for it, and I don't have a problem with it either. Don't think you're on Coach treatment status.

[FaithlessKR]

you have the entire server in 1 guild

nihilum was never that bad

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/55557735.jpg

[Tune]

You also insta poofed on Holo 1.0 with a train on you on your cleric, then after everyone was dead you came back in to res Nilly.

You had absolutely no good reason to do any of that shit though, you were basically assured victory at that point.

So going a few pages back... when you were that far ahead why'd you feel the need to keep pushing the envelope and put your pixels in jeopardy? Same with the autofire keyboard dude. You literally had no reason to do that and were coasting clear into Ice Clad. I know the staff isn't able (not chooses not to trust me do something in front of them for prof, huge difference) to catch every random act of cheating but they certainly hit hard when they do finally snab you.

I'd say join up with the Friends and use your extremely high play time/EQ knowledge to help them beat us. You were running around on that warrior and not banned for it, and I don't have a problem with it either. Don't think you're on Coach treatment status.

yeah i insta-poofed, 3 years ago might i add, when you trained my bind i mean what was i supposed to do the staff wasn't going to intervene , i did what i could and then lost my ip exemption.

i duno man i got talked into shit and made a mistake

joining friends sounds like not a very fun time

[Nirgon]

Darwoth trained your bind and u no it

Friends has a strong gathering of pvpers, granted they are burned out on Kunark..

If you truly have to start over just sneak your way up through Fresh and Holo and join Friends after

Only way to do it really and would be np for you

You can succeed without cheating extremely easily, just stop getting talked into shit and play like a baws

[Tune]

"talked into shit" lol what a cop out

maybe if you didn't act like a 15 year old virgin female and start telling people to not associate themselves with me you would have 50 characters to log into right now

i never told people to do that , you made enemies with me out of no where , so deal with it

and yes you guys begged me to do that group when i kept saying i was too busy

now i know why

its ok man enjoy the druid you never play, you obv. need this more than I do

[Tune]

Darwoth trained your bind and u no it

Friends has a strong gathering of pvpers, granted they are burned out on Kunark..

If you truly have to start over just sneak your way up through Fresh and Holo and join Friends after

Only way to do it really and would be np for you

You can succeed without cheating extremely easily, just stop getting talked into shit and play like a baws

im talking about in plain of fear, u guys did

darwoth incident was in dagnors

also no time / desire to do all of the above , sorry ill stay away from the server

[heartbrand]

I got a lot of issues with Tune and think he unfairly treated me on multiple occasions. Having said that, <ducks> I don't think Nihilum was ever ran as an RMT Enterprise. I think Nizzar sold a couple of things out of the bank on occasion, which don't get me wrong is completely unacceptable, but I don't think it was some sort of for profit business where we were auctioning out Crown of Rile's to the highest bidder in a secret skype chat.

I also don't remember items being routinely destroyed in front of apps faces, and for the most part we always gave even apps loot, except for a like one month period where Arzak tried to be on top of an app trial period and what not, but typical Nihilum style Nizzar just undid all of Arzak's work and went back to the old style.

tl;dr Nihilum had a lot of issues and flaws but I think some of it is getting exaggerated

[Nirgon]

If Tune wants a primal he knows who 2 call

[Tune]

I got a lot of issues with Tune and think he unfairly treated me on multiple occasions.

lol how?

[heartbrand]

lol how?

You confronted me multiple times saying you "knew" I was the one who stole the green scale, EVEN AFTER RAZE ADMITTED HE DID IT. You told me this is why they'd have to make a new warrior to tank because I couldn't be trusted after stealing the scale, the scale I didn't even loot LOL.

[Tune]

nizzar told me that I had to pay real money if i wanted PD loot ie robe crown

thats why i dont have robe crown and hes banned

tune got banned for using scripts at the instruction of Ender, to farm faction turn ins, tradeskills, and play characters afk

thats why all their characters are banned

enjoy

na never did that stuff

[Slathar]

nizzar told me that I had to pay real money if i wanted PD loot ie robe crown

thats why i dont have robe crown and hes banned

tune got banned for using scripts at the instruction of Ender, to farm faction turn ins, tradeskills, and play characters afk

thats why all their characters are banned

enjoy


I keep watching that signature and giggling. My chins are most pleased.

[Tune]

You confronted me multiple times saying you "knew" I was the one who stole the green scale, EVEN AFTER RAZE ADMITTED HE DID IT. You told me this is why they'd have to make a new warrior to tank because I couldn't be trusted after stealing the scale, the scale I didn't even loot LOL.

i never accused any one of anything i wasn't 100% certain of

the trust issues was maybe from something else but it only made sense to make nizzar the main tank anyway bc you were constantly playing other games and an inconsistent tank for us

[Nirgon]

I keep watching that signature and giggling. My chins are most pleased.

if you wanna giggle n jiggle with us in Velious ill see what I can do

it aint holo without Slathar... whole thing feels like a sham

[Akalakamelee]

nizzar told me that I had to pay real money if i wanted PD loot ie robe crown

thats why i dont have robe crown and hes banned

tune got banned for using scripts at the instruction of Ender, to farm faction turn ins, tradeskills, and play characters afk

thats why all their characters are banned

enjoy

To speak like a braindead holo member

"Got Prof? It gittin dum w/o prof round here."

Maybe you can understand that.

[Akalakamelee]

jesus christ sailormoon, are you that dumb to ask for prof when they are already banned via prof?

glad you joined Azrael and stopped shitting up FoH legacy

Only Miku is in AZ right now.
FoH legacy? Dude i am a part of the legacy, I know you only played blue on live but i was slaying guys like you in qeynos hills for years on live. All in the name of Flowers.

[fred schnarf]

if this server has proved one thing, its that its EASIER to join the zerg to get what you want.

Newsflash, people do whats easy.

for more examples see nihilum, holo ETC

[Nirgon]

To speak like a braindead holo member

"Got Prof? It gittin dum w/o prof round here."

Maybe you can understand that.

Sailor Nirgon <3's this post

[Akalakamelee]

slaying guys like me on blue in q hills for years? so you were scared to leave newbie zones on live also

Naw, i just got alot of enjoyment out of that level range of PvP.

I would roll into blackburrow at peak hours and just wreck with a ranger. I remember having 10-12 people trying to hunt me down at times, good times.
All of my gear was no drop, so it really wasn't good at all it certainly made me need to use tactics.

[heartbrand]

i never accused any one of anything i wasn't 100% certain of

the trust issues was maybe from something else but it only made sense to make nizzar the main tank anyway bc you were constantly playing other games and an inconsistent tank for us

Looks like he's banned and I'm the main tank now. You lose I win.

[Akalakamelee]

Looks like he's banned and I'm the main tank now. You lose I win.

Jesus, have you ever seen the outside world before? Take a break bro, seriously. For your health.

[Buhbuh]

i thought we already went over the fact that if lite's leading the opposition, it'll be smashed into the dirt (hence the current state of affairs). if you think we're going to let up even a little bit to make it a server more palatable for a bunch of people trying the exact same formula that's failed in the past and is still destined for failure... naw.

at least Fresh is trying something different. they're way behind in gear, and i'm sure max/ others in that guild have poisoned the well to some degree regarding the ways we operate, for whatever reason, but the officers of holocaust are still making the effort to be cordial with Fresh. from what i understand he had a string of bad experiences with some of our members and didn't really mention it to any of our officers directly. festers quick. whatevs.

point is, don't re-evaluate the server rule set, re-evaluate your leaders. there are lots of people in azrael/ friends who have expressed they're not interested in mass pvp beyond 20v20, citing that it's way less fun, Lite being one of the foremost proponents of that mindset.

i disagree^, but if those are the types of people getting in the way of whomever is trying to build something larger, you've gotta shed that dead weight. it's poison to your cause. their goals and yours will never match.

be a fuckin man and create some more christian family guilds people can get behind.

[Akalakamelee]

i thought we already went over the fact that if lite's leading the opposition, it'll be smashed into the dirt (hence the current state of affairs). if you think we're going to let up even a little bit to make it a server more palatable for a bunch of people trying the exact same formula that's failed in the past and is still destined for failure... naw.

at least Fresh is trying something different. they're way behind in gear, and i'm sure max/ others in that guild have poisoned the well to some degree regarding the ways we operate, for whatever reason, but the officers of holocaust are still making the effort to be cordial with Fresh. from what i understand he had a string of bad experiences with some of our members and didn't really mention it to any of our officers directly. festers quick. whatevs.

point is, don't re-evaluate the server rule set, re-evaluate your leaders. there are lots of people in azrael/ friends who have expressed they're not interested in mass pvp beyond 20v20, citing that it's way less fun, Lite being one of the foremost proponents of that mindset.

i disagree^, but if those are the types of people getting in the way of whomever is trying to build something larger, you've gotta shed that dead weight. it's poison to your cause. their goals and yours will never match.

be a fuckin man and create some more christian family guilds people can get behind.

You know why? It's harder to Poach members if you are seen as an enemy. If your buddy buddy with a feeder guild then it's alot easier.
I gotta ask these people that bash lite, have you ever even talked to the guy before? or are you simply going based on the holo koolaid you had to drink so you could raid hate and fear?

[fred schnarf]

i thought we already went over the fact that if lite's leading the opposition, it'll be smashed into the dirt (hence the current state of affairs). if you think we're going to let up even a little bit to make it a server more palatable for a bunch of people trying the exact same formula that's failed in the past and is still destined for failure... naw.

at least Fresh is trying something different. they're way behind in gear, and i'm sure max/ others in that guild have poisoned the well to some degree regarding the ways we operate, for whatever reason, but the officers of holocaust are still making the effort to be cordial with Fresh. from what i understand he had a string of bad experiences with some of our members and didn't really mention it to any of our officers directly. festers quick. whatevs.

point is, don't re-evaluate the server rule set, re-evaluate your leaders. there are lots of people in azrael/ friends who have expressed they're not interested in mass pvp beyond 20v20, citing that it's way less fun, Lite being one of the foremost proponents of that mindset.

i disagree^, but if those are the types of people getting in the way of whomever is trying to build something larger, you've gotta shed that dead weight. it's poison to your cause. their goals and yours will never match.

be a fuckin man and create some more christian family guilds people can get behind.



i will agree fresh is large and has potential, but max is an ego maniac and he is completely nuts, he even types horrible shit in ooc which everyone frowns upon, if you think he will be able to organize events and mob snipes you are wrong

noah yes, but he is euro and if he is on US time he is completely drunk and not making any sense

[Buhbuh]

actually i dont think either of them has the competence to lead that guild with the same effectiveness that dominant guild leaders do, and i never implied that i did. that's actually made perfectly clear when max posts his yearning for the return of the duke. despite Nizzar's shortcomings (bullshit loot system, awarding PvP loot to retards, awarding loot based on members having "put in their time" without weighing in their effectiveness as a guild member, <--- Qazzaz, Korbel comes to mind), he was fast, no bullshit, and for the most part precise when it came to PvE/ what a guild needs to thrive.

i just respect that Fresh is trying something different.

[Drewciferss]

how about this an account suspension on all account logged into blue and red 1 week before velious for 2 months? this will eliminate 80% of holos forces and make velious content winnable by all guilds with enougn pvp to make all core r99 players happy. basically this will be a choose a server moment. if blue players really want to play on red than the pop will rise if they were just here for the free ride than the server will drop in pop. side note i know my wording was kinda messed up had idea in head but typing it out made it confusing but think most people will understand.

[Kergan]

how about this an account suspension on all account logged into blue and red 1 week before velious for 2 months? this will eliminate 80% of holos forces and make velious content winnable by all guilds with enougn pvp to make all core r99 players happy. basically this will be a choose a server moment. if blue players really want to play on red than the pop will rise if they were just here for the free ride than the server will drop in pop. side note i know my wording was kinda messed up had idea in head but typing it out made it confusing but think most people will understand.

Wow this guy is a fucking moran.

[Drewciferss]

why is that kergan? everyone knows 80% of holo's raid force is from blue easiest way to put a stop to it is suspened the accounts linked to blue from being allowed on red.

[Akalakamelee]

Wow this guy is a fucking moran.

Not sure if...

Calling him a River?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moran_River
Or a Town
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moran,_Kansas

Or if Kergan just dumb as usual. Please Let me know, thanks.

[Pseudechis]

You all make me sick! Recruit and contest.....

[Grimjaw]

Not sure if...

Calling him a River?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moran_River
Or a Town
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moran,_Kansas

Or if Kergan just dumb as usual. Please Let me know, thanks.

he called him a dumb river in Kansas, obviously

[Tune]

You all make me sick! Recruit and contest.....

this might work temporarily but we are looking for more long term solution

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

he called him a dumb river in Kansas, obviously

I'm shocked there are people who havnt seen that meme

[dontbanpls]

dang i didnt realize making jokes on the forum was a reflection of my leadership ability but now I do

[Kergan]

why is that kergan? everyone knows 80% of holo's raid force is from blue easiest way to put a stop to it is suspened the accounts linked to blue from being allowed on red.

brain just as smaller

moran

[Kergan]

he zingered me good, i'll try to use my brian better

[dontbanpls]

he zingered me good, i'll try to use my brian better

brain just as larger?

[Nirgon]

but we are looking for more long term solution

Who the fuck is we!?

Did Elderan make you the point man on this issue?

:cool:

Srsly, Holo or Friends get on with it already, just wasting time not working your way back up

[ismaris]

Most of them quit or rmt'd it all away. This idea that i can have a guild of 12 peeps who controll 50+ accounts fucks all the server dynamics up. If they launched the server with this ruleset you would have much more competition and pvp. They should also make u sit at a zoneline for 10-30 seconds after you zone. Plugging/q droping as a "strategy" makes most pvp meaningless, it is all next to zonelines because nobody wants to get yt'd somewhere else.

Bottom line is this game take more social skill than video game skill, you want to impresa someone with your skills play LoL or SC, you wanna impress someone with your ability to lead a large group or your ability to sit on your ass for 30 hours straight, welcome to eq. Eq pvp has always been numbers based, your wasting your time expecting something else.

This is the most insightful post in this thread.

Colgate was pretty chill, gave me and my bros invites without hassling us or interrogating if we were spies, and now we're looking forward to seeing some content. We came back to a game we all played 15 years ago, and Holo is the guild that allows us to most fully experience that game. If you want to compete against Holo, just look to guilds like Fresh. They are doing it (mostly) right--inviting all levels, being friendly, and just allowing people to experience this 15 year old game in a low-stress environment.

All this other bullshit is just whiners trying to change a ruleset in which they can't truly compete.

[GradnerLives]

make the number of loots from bosses be dependent on the number of people in the zone 10+ minutes before the time the boss is killed.

rough example would be

18 people = normal drops
less than 18 people = normal drops + 1 bonus drop
each group of people over 18 = -1 drop

this would force the zerg to break up for a period of time

It's the other way (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY)

[Darthmuhh]

actually i dont think either of them has the competence to lead that guild with the same effectiveness that dominant guild leaders do, and i never implied that i did. that's actually made perfectly clear when max posts his yearning for the return of the duke. despite Nizzar's shortcomings (bullshit loot system, awarding PvP loot to retards, awarding loot based on members having "put in their time" without weighing in their effectiveness as a guild member, <--- Qazzaz, Korbel comes to mind), he was fast, no bullshit, and for the most part precise when it came to PvE/ what a guild needs to thrive.

i just respect that Fresh is trying something different.

Eh, elitist shit...w/o yer so called pvp retards you fcking so called pvp elitist would never have the numbers needed to kill that damn mob. I liked Nihilum loot cause I know if I did the time and made the raids my retarded ass could get loot and not have it be giving out to a bunch of ego ass hole licking fucks just because they are in your boy band.

[Salahdin]

The more people in zone the harder the raid targets get to the point they are impossible to kill.

I.e If 60 people are in zone the dragons hit for 10x and have 10x health and their abilities ate 10x powerful.

So PvP must happen to reduce dragons abilities down to normal killable amounts.

Dragons stay this way for 3 days after respawn before going ffa

[Farzo]

Guaranteed no one read this.

U wouldn't and don't need.

U don't raid and only PvP in sub 50 brackets with rmted gear lol.

Oh wait you could raid vox/naggy with ur highest :)

[Tassador]

U wouldn't and don't need.

U don't raid and only PvP in sub 50 brackets with rmted gear lol.

Oh wait you could raid vox/naggy with ur highest :)

Everything accurate accept rmt.

[Tune]

The more people in zone the harder the raid targets get to the point they are impossible to kill.

I.e If 60 people are in zone the dragons hit for 10x and have 10x health and their abilities ate 10x powerful.

So PvP must happen to reduce dragons abilities down to normal killable amounts.

Dragons stay this way for 3 days after respawn before going ffa

not a bad idea here

[krazyGlue]

not a bad idea here

Won't happen we have to be more realistic

[dontbanpls]

need to find a solution that doesn't involve coding or burden on the staff if ya wanna see something really work

[Tune]

need to find a solution that doesn't involve coding or burden on the staff if ya wanna see something really work

this is the problem u have to do one or the other id say...

[quido]

Tune with ideas to stop zerging?

Let's resurrect Hitler and ask him for some advice on saving Jewish lives.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

glad u guys want custom everquest servers, head over to some of the ones on the server select screen.

i'm sure you'll have a fun time.

[Tune]

Tune with ideas to stop zerging?

Let's resurrect Hitler and ask him for some advice on saving Jewish lives.

ok it got me to chuckle

glad u guys want custom everquest servers, head over to some of the ones on the server select screen.

i'm sure you'll have a fun time.

can we make your avatar a happy lizard plz

[Littlegyno 13.0]

ok it got me to chuckle



can we make your avatar a happy lizard plz

naw fat sad frog until u fucks embrace classic EVERQUEST

[Tune]

naw fat sad frog until u fucks embrace classic EVERQUEST

sigh ok u win

[Darthmuhh]

Eh, I dont really care whose top guild, I hate all the main names on the server atm...never liked Azrael, gay cartoon cat...Fresh, sorry sounds like a guild of fags...Holo.meh boring. Nihilum, never liked it either.

Cool names, Full Retard, Dragons and Diabetes...those are guild names I would join =D

[Ragnaros]

free tune he is innocent

[Glenzig]

Tune with ideas to stop zerging?

Let's resurrect Hitler and ask him for some advice on saving Jewish lives.

<Holocaust>.

[Genedin]

Eh, I dont really care whose top guild, I hate all the main names on the server atm...never liked Azrael, gay cartoon cat...Fresh, sorry sounds like a guild of fags...Holo.meh boring. Nihilum, never liked it either.

Cool names, Full Retard, Dragons and Diabetes...those are guild names I would join =D

I always thought Azrael was named after the angel of death...... you mean to tell me I was in a guild named after a cartoon cat for a year and didn't know it?

[Kergan]

Well 2 be fair its named for a cartoon cat that was named after the angel of death.

[Veltira]

Classic server is LoZ, I have no chars in holo but all I got to say is it wasn't a problem for you in nihium. Also, i remember you running around on a 60 vp bard killing level 52's admitting it was no challenge but had to be done.

Basically calling you out for being a hypocrite and 100% you'd do the same shit again giving the chance.

This guy gets it.

[daasgoot]

muhh always a great addition in teamspeak, hope 2 see u ice sk8ng in velious darkmuhh

which ever choice u make

http://38.media.tumblr.com/bb2287ade71aee545619f21443a6e746/tumblr_n7n3gppRDb1rk1fx6o1_400.gif

[Tune]

i edited the first post , u think it would be hard to code this 10 minute widow around the time of death?

[Kergan]

i edited the first post , u think it would be hard to code this 10 minute widow around the time of death?

Nothing is getting coded in dude come on, you've been here long enough to know that.

[Tune]

Nothing is getting coded in dude come on, you've been here long enough to know that.

yes of course , this is more of a discussion for arguements sake

[Kergan]

All you gotta do is log into RoZ to see an end game working without the use of 50 man zergs.

[Nirgon]

Where were these bright "anti-zerg" ideas while Nilly was on top

O.

[Tune]

Where were these bright "anti-zerg" ideas while Nilly was on top

O.

i didnt have as much time to think as i do in these current days

[Nirgon]

:o

[ElemtalRZ]

Wanna stop the zerg join The Curse
thecurse.guildportal.com

[Efwan]

All you gotta do is log into RoZ to see an end game working without the use of 50 man zergs.

+1 can do 51-60 in less than 12 hours and start pvpin. Doing tunare tonight with about 4 or 5 people 2boxin, come have some fun, coding suggestions completely welcomed.

Eqpvp.com

[Tune]

bump for justice

make pve more challenging + more chance for pvp

[Kergan]

+1 can do 51-60 in less than 12 hours and start pvpin. Doing tunare tonight with about 4 or 5 people 2boxin, come have some fun, coding suggestions completely welcomed.

Eqpvp.com

Hopefully she is less buggy then when we did it. :)

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Wanna stop the zerg join The Curse
thecurse.guildportal.com

I wish you guys the best with your guild but making another smallish guild isn't going to stop the zerg it's just helping them stay in power.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

I wish you guys the best with your guild but making another smallish guild isn't going to stop the zerg it's just helping them stay in power.

http://new2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/I+remember+creating+an+account+years+ago+when+was+ _2d3900abf2acc6b3c693d693a12023b5.gif

[Drakaris]

bump for justice

make pve more challenging + more chance for pvp

To be honest the stuff that happened to u guys was a conflict of interest and the person that executed judgement was argued as fair and incorruptible. Clearly the fair and incorruptible aspects are not the case in hindsight as that person was forcibly removed from staff. The sad thing is undoing this won't repair the damage.

Holocaust is far worse than nihilum. I've seen the dirt in both guilds and I know holocaust is dirtier.

[HippoNipple]

To be honest the stuff that happened to u guys was a conflict of interest and the person that executed judgement was argued as fair and incorruptible. Clearly the fair and incorruptible aspects are not the case in hindsight as that person was forcibly removed from staff. The sad thing is undoing this won't repair the damage.

Holocaust is far worse than nihilum. I've seen the dirt in both guilds and I know holocaust is dirtier.

The only thing you have uncovered about Holocaust is that they thought someone else deserved a SoW sword over you. Who gives a fuck? You talk about all these bad things and how you have proof but you never deliver.

[Kergan]

I was kinda mad 1 time that Ksah got a BCG over me despite having less DKP but then I realized he was a better player who was more active and played a more needed class. Plus I got the next BCG like 3 days later.

[Tune]

I was kinda mad 1 time that Ksah got a BCG over me despite having less DKP but then I realized he was a better player who was more active and played a more needed class. Plus I got the next BCG like 3 days later.

wish more people were like u brother

a true non psycho elf pal

call me anytime

[dontbanpls]

Drakar totes welcome to join the allied forces and stop the holocaust

[fireman]

Im not gona read all 27 pages to see if anyones mentioned the fact that would just encourage the elitism and hand the pixels + bonus pixels to the same people, so it would still end up giving a select few people all of the loot.

[Tune]

Im not gona read all 27 pages to see if anyones mentioned the fact that would just encourage the elitism and hand the pixels + bonus pixels to the same people, so it would still end up giving a select few people all of the loot.

discouraging zergs encourages elitism i suppose , but its the only way to have pvp , something has to be done to get some competition going

[dontbanpls]

discouraging zergs encourages elitism i suppose , but its the only way to have pvp , something has to be done to get some competition going

Log in, join <Fresh>, no more tears.

[fred schnarf]

no more loot either

[krazyGlue]

The pvp on this server dies with zerging .

[Tune]

Log in, join <Fresh>, no more tears.

can't, maybe, not really crying just interested to hear some ideas

[dontbanpls]

no more loot either

[Tune]

tune trying to convince a classic everquest forum to make a non classic everquest game

good stuff

keep going

nah just trying to get some discussion going

[Darthmuhh]

Tune, just log on Tune and dominate some people til they start crying again like they use too...you dont need any loot.. Tune has everything and more the probably no one on the server will ever even get again. Just play man, I use to just enjoy hearing your glee as you killed someone or got the steal, no malice or asshatery in your voice just joy of the pvp..log on and get it back.

<Fresh> for God's sake change yer damn guild name!

[Tune]

Tune, just log on Tune and dominate some people til they start crying again like they use too...you dont need any loot.. Tune has everything and more the probably no one on the server will ever even get again. Just play man, I use to just enjoy hearing your glee as you killed someone or got the steal, no malice or asshatery in your voice just joy of the pvp..log on and get it back.

<Fresh> for God's sake change yer damn guild name!

yeah, i will eventually, just getting some thoughts going

[fred schnarf]

yeah, i will eventually, just getting some thoughts going

yea get some more thoughts going about how people zerg when you zerged for 2 years and helped to grief any attempt at a resistance

why dont you log in and grief people? oh wait shit

banned

nevermind.

[Tune]

thank u for all the free bumps

[Ragnaros]

Free tune most skilled player norrath has ever seen

[Darthmuhh]

Free tune most skilled player norrath has ever seen

Yep, Agatha, the bitches would start crying real hard if Tune started killing them like the little bitches they are....hahaha stray from a ZL in DL bitches if you dare. Lol, never got old hearing them cry and Tune never even camped them, he would kill and then just move on..but my would they cry cry cry..hahahaha too rich.

[Tune]

hahahahaha
hahahaahahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

don't just laugh

tell us how great you are compared to me

[fred schnarf]

banned fgt is banned

[Tune]

i heard sim repops were a zerg fest

so i thought of a problem for the OP idea but forgot it

[Jimmybones]

i heard sim repops were a zerg fest

so i thought of a problem for the OP idea but forgot it

thanks for shaere

[Tune]

i was thinking people could go at lengths to camp alts at every raid zone and just log them in to reset the timer

but you could make it a requirement they need to be in game for at least 5 minutes or something

[Farzo]

server just needs a 2nd guild as big as the top one with motivated leadership like nilly/holo had/has.

[MavstabYoudead]

server just needs a 2nd guild as big as the top one with motivated leadership like nilly/holo had/has.

maybe when velious comes people will want to be in guilds that big, but what they are doing for kunark is a joke.

[Farzo]

with the sheer # of mobs on repop in velious the server will have to harbor 2-3 more mid range guilds.

[MavstabYoudead]

key words being "in velious".