Would you stand by The Dukes side, if he returned?

[philjackson]

Let us know.

[Giovanni]

It would be nice to see the duke come back on a special character mid-velious to shake things up.

Due to his extraordinary power, he should have a limited number of lives (or teeth) and only one character. Each time he dies in pvp he loses a tooth. When he runs out of teeth, his character is deleted.

A few months after the next expansion launches, he would be able to return again on a new level one.

[Voland]

Who is Duke?

[Smedy]

holocaust would absorb the duke and his followers, we already know this

coach why dont you come and lead a guild dawg, you're the first bard to lvl 46 on the box

[Colgate]

nizzar is still bitter

[Tassador]

nizzar is a good guy

[quido]

Nizzar kicked my dog

[Twainz]

I like how Shrimp voted no but plays Archage with the Duke every day.

[heartbrand]

I like how you voted yes but beg to be invited to holo every day

[dontbanpls]

voted yes, will transfer guild leadership over immediately. RIP DUKE NIZZAR COME BACK TO US GONE 2 SOON etc etc

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

holocaust would absorb the duke and his followers, we already know this

coach why dont you come and lead a guild dawg, you're the first bard to lvl 46 on the box

Not a snowballs chance in hell the Duke would join holo.

[Ezalor]

The duke single-handedly ran holocaust off the box once already

he is the hero we need to do it once again

[cockscythe]

http://i.imgur.com/Br9gApJ.gif

[Tune]

something drastic would have to happen for the duke ti come back,

and i think thats all up to the staff

[silo32]

yes pras him for pixel immortality

with his knight tune

and squire dongshow

I know for a fact dongshow is so loyal to the duke, he would merge with him and so would the rest of the dukes men.

holo has no recruitment policy

I know 25 people the duke would not deal with and remove from the guild

let it be known if he returns me and a small alligence would follow and holo would fall and crumble and only checkraise,jibekken,terp could lead such a 3rd rate guild.

Fact is the majority of holo officers and shot callers are all loyal to the duke on his return. Holo was a temporary fix to the nihilum forced non classic disband. No other guild here even got vp loot for years, only during the dark time when the duke went to start an empire on d3 did nihilum shake and for the first time in pixel history did any other guild but nihilum obtain pd loot, even with azrael petitioning and TRICKING the staff and GMS here. Having them despawn well placed wyrms by the duke and his men with known coding knowledge of how spawns work. Did azrael get a leg up and to the dukes dismay he left for a more balanced and fair sandbox. AKA d3

on his return he once again recaptured the server and its hearts only to be banned by some of the scum he let back into his guild aka checkraise

holo is a joke now it harbors some low tier players such as zuranthium that even FoH wouldn't take.

my 2 copper

praise pixels and peace

[silo32]

something drastic would have to happen for the duke ti come back,

and i think thats all up to the staff

if they patch the resist code

let duke come back, even tho multi banned players here, RMT abusers for years, Gaffin, Sektors can roll new toons and play here. But Nizze is perma banned from the box?

Yea that's fair...

Reform nihilum

the pixel smaug would clear up...

[Slowride]

I want the Duke to return simply to have pvp on a pvp server. Holocaust = toxic

[Sektor]

if they patch the resist code

let duke come back, even tho multi banned players here, RMT abusers for years, Gaffin, Sektors can roll new toons and play here. But Nizze is perma banned from the box?

Yea that's fair...

Reform nihilum

the pixel smaug would clear up...

You mad?

[Jimmybones]

no

[Jimmybones]

You mad?

Don't you have to go take your wife out for a walk or something? She hasn't used the bathroom all day and shes scratching at the door

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Sirken the server wants the Duke back! Reach out to him and invite him back to red99. The server needs him for balance!

[LostCause]

http://i.imgur.com/Br9gApJ.gif

lol

[Sirken]

http://stevedeace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/big-brother-obama-watching-you.gif

[Kergan]

I just don't see Nizzar coming back. Knowing what he put into this game I was really surprised how much he seemed not to give a fuck when he got banned. Derubael basically begged him to be contrite and try to save his own skin and his response was to tell him to start lifting (lol).

I think he knew the only way he was moving on from this game was the GMs forcing it. Basically cop assisted suicide for the Duke, may he rest in peace.

[heartbrand]

Nizzar is a faggot

[MaSQue]

http://stevedeace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/big-brother-obama-watching-you.gif

Even though what he did was wrong, lol I think the server NEEDS him back, just for the Drama and awesomeness he would bring with him. lol I can imagine how his return would shake the server up and make it more fun. I would not follow him but would still be fun to see how the server shakes up.

[dontbanpls]

Nizzar is a faggot

u saying that about anyone is a hoot

[Mudslinger]

voted yes, will transfer guild leadership over immediately. RIP DUKE NIZZAR COME BACK TO US GONE 2 SOON etc etc

Fresh supports RMT it appears

[Smedy]

servers biggest rmt guy is in holocaust

[philjackson]

Any of the DUke's squires have his contact info?

I'd like to reach out

[dontbanpls]

Fresh supports RMT it appears

Bro you're in a guild that is an RMT op to support a commune of neo nazi's living in the forests of Idaho. Nizz dog just got surrounded by sektors toxic aura and unjustly banned/punished because a GM decided to make a deal with a guy who has done 90% of the servers RMT to get a guy who did it one time. Rip the mother fuckin DUKE

[Mudslinger]

Lol @ max

[bolo]

Nizzar is a faggot

[Sapphiay]

On the other side, why return to a server where the gms hides the fact one or more gms were rmting armor of banned char, this a private buddy server where the gms stack together. I don`t trust them anymore as they didn`t cleared the situation and helped the victims. And victims are too people who lost their guild for nothing than a rmting Derubael with this fakereason "he did lead the guild in ts" and other gms accepting this fake and "can't remember" they allowed this in chat with Elderan. Lying gms is alone a reason to break here. And i tell you where you can stick your proofs in when only gms can check. We had this information about rmting Derubael from a gm btw so there are some trustfully here. For a long time i thought they need time to look into all, it is way to long now.

[Sapphiay]

and Derubaels server friends here with so much money they can buy the world

[fiegi 8.0]

now theres a loyal dukesmen

[Sapphiay]

the first suspicious thing was banned got order not to write down at forum or tell anyone or they will be banned forever with all chars

[heartbrand]

Nizzar was a shit guild leader. Him coming back would have zero impact on this server. Who is leaving their pixel position in holocaust to join Nizzar? Nizzar would have a guild of Drakar / Twainz and other top shelf players. I guess he'd have Tunak also since the guy apparently is ready to fold his guild should the Duke return. Sounds like a very scary threat. A guild of psychopaths.

[fred schnarf]

tunak is losing his sanity quickly , im suprised he does not have 1800 fresh down in seb perma camping the fungi so he can make level 1's and put fungis on all of them.

[Sapphiay]

yes who would do this, i saw some in Nizze teamspeak last days

[philjackson]

Nizzar was a shit guild leader. Him coming back would have zero impact on this server. Who is leaving their pixel position in holocaust to join Nizzar? Nizzar would have a guild of Drakar / Twainz and other top shelf players. I guess he'd have Tunak also since the guy apparently is ready to fold his guild should the Duke return. Sounds like a very scary threat. A guild of psychopaths.

He might have the Coaches sword, u bite your tongue HB you might be begging to rejoin elfpals one day in velly.

Pain is coming.

[heartbrand]

I'll keep my sunglasses nearby Coach

[Sapphiay]

"On the other side, why return to a server where the gms hides the fact one or more gms were rmting armor of banned char, this a private buddy server where the gms stack together. I don`t trust them anymore as they didn`t cleared the situation and helped the victims. And victims are too people who lost their guild for nothing than a rmting Derubael with this fakereason "he did lead the guild in ts" and other gms accepting this fake and "can't remember" they allowed this in chat with Elderan. Lying gms is alone a reason to break here. And i tell you where you can stick your proofs in when only gms can check. We had this information about rmting Derubael from a gm btw so there are some trustfully here. For a long time i thought they need time to look into all, it is way to long now."


You can stand by the dukes side just now :)

[Buhbuh]

be funny if nizzar came back and took over azrael permanently. actually see real competition in velious.

[Zalaerian]

I'll play on what ever team the coach isnt on just so i can cut off his head and kick it down the stairs of Rome

[Tradesonred]

Word on the street is Nizzar is Jeff Fillion's less successful brother

[Kergan]

Word on the street is Nizzar is Jeff Fillion's less successful brother

Oh lord this retard is back.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

lol tradesonred constant bitching about sexism racism and mysoggyknees are such good trolls.

[Tradesonred]

Oh lord this retard is back.

Yeah im back for a post or 3 then out for another 3 months

Keep those asylum chairs warm for me for my next tourette of duty you numbskulls

[Kergan]

Will do

[Terpuntine]

Would love it if Nizzar came back.

[Labanen]

Well, derubael is gone, so there is a tiny maybe.
But i really dont think we ll have any more french canadian yelling in any TS channels again. Its a shame really, i think he could've given holo a run for their money, and this server needs more factions now the pop is up to a reasonable level. Also, his yelling was hilarious.

[dontbanpls]

Well, derubael is gone, so there is a tiny maybe.
But i really dont think we ll have any more french canadian yelling in any TS channels again. Its a shame really, i think he could've given holo a run for their money, and this server needs more factions now the pop is up to a reasonable level. Also, his yelling was hilarious.

Overall I found my time in nihilum exceptionally boring, Nizzar would yell about dumb shit but when i told him to get fucked over TS because he was yelling about the wrong shit it would just end there and i never got booted for it. I'd work with him again but I would be glad to keep the server in the direction it is headed too.

[Labanen]

yeah he wasnt one to admit a mistake. But he usually didnt boot people for pointing out if he made one.

[lite]

i think he could've given holo a run for their money,

he flat out prevented it from existing...

[magician]

Well, derubael is gone, so there is a tiny maybe.
But i really dont think we ll have any more french canadian yelling in any TS channels again. Its a shame really, i think he could've given holo a run for their money, and this server needs more factions now the pop is up to a reasonable level. Also, his yelling was hilarious.

miss you kid.
-ur pal dreyo

[philjackson]

miss you kid.
-ur pal dreyo

burt starting to toe the nihilum line just incase the duke comes back :)

fuckin kid will do anythin for a pixel

[heartbrand]

he flat out prevented it from existing...

I know you joined the box two years in, but Amelinda and Rogean were the reason holo quit. No one cared enough to play anymore at that point. The current holocaust resurgence is the result of a perfect storm of unemployment and marriage.

[philjackson]

I know you joined the box two years in, but Amelinda and Rogean were the reason holo quit. No one cared enough to play anymore at that point. The current holocaust resurgence is the result of a perfect storm of unemployment and marriage.

only reason half of those OG holocaust players are currently in norrath is because they have a huge zerg behind them for easy pixels. They are too old to compete.

[heartbrand]

Coach what happened to you? What happened to the Matty Castiel who I followed into the depths of nagafens lair to train Nihilum?

[lite]

Gongshow and the rest of Holo leaders knew their place while Nizzar was around. Now there was finally a chance for us to try and make holo


ftfy

If Nizzar hadn't been Banned all of you would still be fighting for Nizzar's attention in hopes of Velious pixels. Deal with it.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

ftfy

If Nizzar hadn't been Banned all of you would still be fighting for Nizzar's attention in hopes of Velious pixels. Deal with it.

newcomer to server attempts to rewrite ancient history.

typical columbian.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/27/world/27colombia-600.jpg

lite, just got off the phone with ur fam, they said they need u back ASAP to help with the cocaine harvest man.

u gotta help dude

[Labanen]

ftfy

If Nizzar hadn't been Banned all of you would still be fighting for Nizzar's attention in hopes of Velious pixels. Deal with it.
well if I play with someone for a couple of years i dont just jump of and stab them in the back, so yeah id probably still be in nihilum in that situation, i havent really tried to say anything else. I wasnt gonna be first in line for pixels with my RA % though, so that wasnt the main reason.

[lite]

well if I play with someone for a couple of years i dont just jump of and stab them in the back, so yeah id probably still be in nihilum in that situation, i havent really tried to say anything else. I wasnt gonna be first in line for pixels with my RA % though, so that wasnt the main reason.

Wasn't talking to you. Was referring to the Holo that were there only because they knew Holo wouldn't happen with Nizzar in the picture, despite how badly they wanted it.

[philjackson]

Coach what happened to you? What happened to the Matty Castiel who I followed into the depths of nagafens lair to train Nihilum?

Didn't see Fiegi online during the Nihilium days in Red Dawn, did you?

Couple years later, the Duke gone, a nice pixel train set up using new Holo zerg, and guess who reappears like Harry Potter?

[Terpuntine]

Its true tho

[Littlegyno 13.0]

well if I play with someone for a couple of years i dont just jump of and stab them in the back, so yeah id probably still be in nihilum in that situation, i havent really tried to say anything else. I wasnt gonna be first in line for pixels with my RA % though, so that wasnt the main reason.

tbqh a large part of what happened to nihilum happened cause of you danes.

you're a very faggy and cliquish group. the shit you pulled with stomping your feet and getting heartbrand booted was just downright ridiculous.

[Labanen]

tbqh a large part of what happened to nihilum happened cause of you danes.right, i didnt like that HB was allowed back a 3rd time and i fought against it.

But none of us took any part in RMT or selling people out afterwards.

They could ve kept HB and i would probably leave eventually, I dont know about the other danes. In the end I didnt have to make neither of those decisions.

[Labanen]

you're a very faggy and cliquish group.lol, you should come over on this side of the pond and have a beer sometime.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

right, i didnt like that HB was allowed back a 3rd time and i fought against it.

But none of us took any part in RMT or selling people out afterwards.

They could ve kept HB and i would probably leave eventually, I dont know about the other danes. In the end I didnt have to make neither of those decisions.

no your clique just told the officers, "boot heartbrand during a raid or all of us are leaving the guild."

you're all petulant children.

[Labanen]

no your clique just told the officers, "boot heartbrand during a raid or all of us are leaving the guild."

you're all petulant children.no we didnt. i ve never spoken for anyone but myself.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

lol, you should come over on this side of the pond and have a beer sometime.

i would. i'm not a sociopath. i'd have drinks with all you danes.

i'd even have a beer with burgerking but i'm afraid he'd try to hit on me.

[heartbrand]

Ruban I was at the fear raids where you gated out because I was there. Who you kidding?

[Littlegyno 13.0]

no we didnt. i ve never spoken for anyone but myself.

my apologies, maybe you weren't there at that raid. it was basically a danish coup to boot heartbrand during a venril sathir raid.

[Labanen]

Ruban I was at the fear raids where you gated out because I was there. Who you kidding?and that contradicts what ?

[Labanen]

my apologies, maybe you weren't there at that raid. it was basically a danish coup to boot heartbrand during a venril sathir raid.I did my arguments in full public on the boards, as HB points out i left not once but three times raids that he showed up to. Nothing was behind peoples back.

[heartbrand]

Ruban didn't gate out or throw a hissy fight as I was tanking the froglok for his druid epic though :)

[Labanen]

No but that was primarily because Ezpk tanked that one for me, i assume that you talk about uljump.

You did MQ the faydadar piece though, after you ninjalooted it, i think that was a mistake that you looted it though and i didnt blame you for that after.

[heartbrand]

didnt realize I inflicted such brain rot 2 cause u to mentally disassociate me from having tanked the fight

[Labanen]

i would. i'm not a sociopath. i'd have drinks with all you danes.

i'd even have a beer with burgerking but i'm afraid he'd try to hit on me.cool, if you hit Copenhagen sometime drop a pm.

[vouss]

Who cares about the Danish crew, just another group of warmbodies in the zerg

[Marqus]

I want to see the Duke return, unite with lite, and make this a pvp server again.

[Smedy]

Didn't see Fiegi online during the Nihilium days in Red Dawn, did you?

Couple years later, the Duke gone, a nice pixel train set up using new Holo zerg, and guess who reappears like Harry Potter?

lol

chuck is totally harry pottering the pixels right now, weak chuck, WEAK man, fuk

[Tune]

you know i was completely neutral in this heartbrand / dain fight

it was my idea to give them each 1 month , and who ever had highest attendance at the end got to stay in the guild.

tie? trial by combat

drama solved... the end

but no one liked that plan i guess

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

It Wasn't just the Danes tthough I remember a day or two before hb got booted there was a big argument about why he was allowed to stay all that time involving alot of people. I, like tune, was neutral...i even remember sending hb a tell shortly after hearing that argument asking what the heck he did to make so many people dislike him.

[Kergan]

Danes don't get the credit they deserve for the fall of Nihilum. That was sort of the beginning of the end, getting HB all pissy and all of a sudden TS recordings and other things started to emerge.

[Kergan]

It Wasn't just the Danes tthough I remember a day or two before hb got booted there was a big argument about why he was allowed to stay all that time involving alot of people. I, like tune, was neutral...i even remember sending hb a tell shortly after hearing that argument asking what the heck he did to make so many people dislike him.

Noah was the other pretty outspoken person, but at least he had the balls to quit immediately instead of waiting until 1-2 months after HB was invited to throw a temper tantrum. :)

[Cymeon]

kringe swinging from the dukenuts? wut? is that a joke?

[Pikrib]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/07/27/world/27colombia-600.jpg

lite, just got off the phone with ur fam, they said they need u back ASAP to help with the cocaine harvest man.

u gotta help dude

These guys hiring? I heard half of Holo is unemployed. :D

[dontbanpls]

I remember quite a lot of people got very vocal about not wanting heartbrand back in the guild, and surprisingly I wasn't one of them. The danes happened to be the only ones the duke gave a shit about. That really changed my mind about nihilum, i mean if so many of those guys hated heartbrand they couldn't have really been all that bad.

[Zade]

I want to link a Feen production but dont want to get bant

[Sapphiay]

A corrupt gm with his fakereason for ban is the real scandal and all are about to ignor this. Booting someone for like no reason because there were people who didnt liked him is a minor scandal against what happenend then. They just counted how many people they would loose on every side when they made this decision. And some started with a backstabbing fight. I count this as unmoralic behaviour. I hope noone was involved in Derubaels rmt-quest, his webpage for selling armor, but who knows.

Every trustworthy gm would not have banned for this reason. It is normal now that people are in fear they let them raise like pigs and they get slaughered for their items which get rmted after a unrightful ban.

[Colgate]

you know i was completely neutral in this heartbrand / dain fight

ur still so immersed

i will pray 4 u 2nite

[Thrilla]

hb is a class act why would anyone want him booted from nihilum

[Labanen]

hb is a class act why would anyone want him booted from nihilum
i know right.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Noah was the other pretty outspoken person, but at least he had the balls to quit immediately instead of waiting until 1-2 months after HB was invited to throw a temper tantrum. :)

Vapo and his crew got pretty vocal about it too

[Labanen]

if kergan suggests that i didnt say anything for 1-2 months he clearly must ve blacked out for precisely 1-2 months too :-)

[Elderan]

Nizzar is not coming back unless Sirken rights the wrongs that happened.

While what happened to Holo originally was wrong. At least their characters were not perma banned, then stripped and items sold off by the person who targeted and banned our guild.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

/beg sirken!

Red99 raid scene needs the Duke, pal. Shake things up a lil!

I mean it would be a story for the ages...former enemies team up to take on the biggest zerg the server has seen.

[heartbrand]

I win, Nihilum lost. The End.

[HippoNipple]

/beg sirken!

Red99 raid scene needs the Duke, pal. Shake things up a lil!

I mean it would be a story for the ages...former enemies team up to take on the biggest zerg the server has seen.

As this thread shows it wouldn't be an epic fight in game. It would be a popularity contest where the winner would get to run the zerg that makes sure Lite doesn't get to run a top tier guild.

[heartbrand]

Every morning I wake up, enjoy my bagel with lox and cream cheese and smile knowing that Nizzar made 2 new warrior characters [both of which got banned permanently] in order to be the Main Tank over me, and instead he ended up losing his entire guild, got permanently banned from the server, and I get to be a main tank anyway.

I Win.

[Kergan]

if kergan suggests that i didnt say anything for 1-2 months he clearly must ve blacked out for precisely 1-2 months too :-)

Nope, not suggesting that at all. You guys said your piece when his app was posted. HB was low key and didn't play much in the 1-2 months after his app until the time you guys threatened to quit the guild over him being in it. I just thought it was weird you guys didn't threaten to bail immediately, or just not threaten at all.

[Kergan]

Vapo and his crew got pretty vocal about it too

Yes, that's true. From what I remember the people who were particularly against it were supposedly talked to directly and basically asked straight up if they'd quit and nobody said they would. I remember even posting in HBs app thread that if anyone was going to bail over it he shouldn't be invited at all and I was literally one of like 3 people advocating for him to get a shot.

The whole situation was real weird all around. In retrospect it would have probably been a better decision to not invite him, but HB was smart enough to know when to try. That was during Nizzar's D3 break and we were struggling to even get 15 people to show up to contest the Azrael zerg. I think the thought was that he could pull in some RD stragglers and maybe help build the numbers back up but that never happened.

That's how I remember it anyway.

[Dillian]

no i would loosen his wheelie chair screws so he tips over

[Tune]

ur still so immersed

i will pray 4 u 2nite

lol nah not really

Every morning I wake up, enjoy my bagel with lox and cream cheese and smile knowing that Nizzar made 2 new warrior characters [both of which got banned permanently] in order to be the Main Tank over me, and instead he ended up losing his entire guild, got permanently banned from the server, and I get to be a main tank anyway.

I Win.

the person still logging in isn't winning

[Malevz]

Was trying to catch up with the last few months of drama, and ended up staring at Dillian's avatar logo for 5 minutes.

[HippoNipple]

the person still logging in isn't winning

You don't get the right to say that after your run on the server.

[dontbanpls]

Tune mq'ed the shaman epic to bigtuna that made <Fresh> possible. fuck ya!

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Tune I love u baby.

[HippoNipple]

But you get to say THAT after your lifetime run of...nothing on the server


I am probably one of the best here at balancing gaming and real life, so yeah I would say I am one to comment on that.

[Tune]

You don't get the right to say that after your run on the server.

true but people can change

[Meiva]

Every morning I wake up, enjoy my bagel with lox and cream cheese and smile knowing that Nizzar made 2 new warrior characters [both of which got banned permanently] in order to be the Main Tank over me, and instead he ended up losing his entire guild, got permanently banned from the server, and I get to be a main tank anyway.

I Win.

I appologize, geeks. I just don't know what is going on here.

What is lox?

[Tune]

I appologize, geeks. I just don't know what is going on here.

What is lox?

raw salmon i think

[Zade]

smoked salmon bellies and they are delicious.

[Meiva]

Now I'm hungry.

[MaSQue]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r8IiKcwocs

[Dillian]

Was trying to catch up with the last few months of drama, and ended up staring at Dillian's avatar logo for 5 minutes.

<3 much love =)

[jcmtg]

yes pras him for pixel immortality

holo is a joke now it harbors some low tier players such as zuranthium that even FoH wouldn't take.

my 2 copper

praise pixels and peace

Eww, not Zuranthium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeygLjscZJs

[LostCause]

YOU'RE DONE IN KC

[Zuranthium]

holo is a joke now it harbors some low tier players such as zuranthium that even FoH wouldn't take

whoru?

Would you like to 1v1?

[Agatha]

whoru?

Would you like to 1v1?

HEY, YOU, U ALLOWED IN KC YET BRO?


hehehehe

[Agatha]

also, my experience with all non american citizens on this box has been anywhere from retarded to down right abrasive, the danes def have a complex, but can atleast they could back it up.

still shitty how you guys would throw your weight around though. I was a guild leader of azrael when the eurocore started throwing hissy fits, so i might be biased with your guys situation, i will admit you threw your weight around for good reason, and i agree with that. but still, god damnit is shit like that anoying.

[Agatha]

triple post, i would join dukes guild, as long as he lead and had no input on loots, access to the dkp etc.


that goes for any of his core friends, elderan, spectre, rallyd, etc. he could lead but not be part of the decision makers.

[Smedy]

the danes seems like the only people in nihilum that knew it was a bad idea to invite heartbrand a fifth time, pras the danes

[SHOWITME]

the danes seems like the only people in nihilum that knew it was a bad idea to invite heartbrand a fifth time, pras the danes

[Labanen]

maybe we should do something eurobased for velious when and if people come out of their hiatus... works gonna be crazy busy over the summer though, i am hoping for a autumn / winter velious release.

[Kergan]

Velious will give a chance for an off hours guild to really shine, there aint a zerg big enough to keep all the raid targets dying in US prime time plus there are some mobs on 8 hour timers.