People Boxing

[Slippy]

Hi Everyone!
Now I know that it is illegal to box on this server, but what is one suppose to do if you see someone and you are almost sure they are boxing? Petition is 1 thing, but how do you get proof? People are rude if you ask them, but the behavior of 2 toons is suspicious, plus I don’t want to waste the time of the people who run things, I am sure they have better things to do IF I am wrong.

Basically 2 high level s at a camp and only 1 are moving around, the other doesn’t move or talk. Both in line for a mob. No guild, similar name….

I really don’t want to cause trouble because I can’t tell for sure, but I am also not dumb. Any advice would help, thank you.

[username17]

I'd look at it from both sides before judging.

It may look like they are boxing, but there could be valid reasons for the behavior you witnessed.


Were you grouped with these 2 characters?

1) If you weren't, how do you know one wasn't talking?
Most people don't use /say when in a group.

Was the 2nd person a caster of some type that has to spend 99% sitting and medding? That would explain the 2nd character not moving.

2) If you were, could it be possible that the two other people in the group were in the same room or on voice chat.
It's possible that they simply talked to each other and did not need to use the in game chat.
Maybe that's the case and 1 person of the pair were just relaying information to you.


Having similar names could go both ways.
Could be a husband/wife team or it could be a boxer.

I would say the GMs are the best to identify if someone is boxing.
Just trying to look at it from both sides before taking any action.

[skorge]

Even if I saw boxing I wouldn't /report it. You know why? I don't name names.

You've been reported for thinking outside the bun.

[Bubbles]

Could be a husband/wife team or it could be a boxer.


lol @ "or".

[oldhead]

Hi Everyone!
Now I know that it is illegal to box on this server, but what is one suppose to do if you see someone and you are almost sure they are boxing? Petition is 1 thing, but how do you get proof? People are rude if you ask them, but the behavior of 2 toons is suspicious, plus I don’t want to waste the time of the people who run things, I am sure they have better things to do IF I am wrong.

Basically 2 high level s at a camp and only 1 are moving around, the other doesn’t move or talk. Both in line for a mob. No guild, similar name….

I really don’t want to cause trouble because I can’t tell for sure, but I am also not dumb. Any advice would help, thank you.


I'd say you have zero reason for even having any suspicion of this except for paranoia.

With what you described it wouldnt even warrant looking into. I believe there are far more sightings of boxing than actual boxing going on.

[Humerox]

Hi Everyone!
Now I know that it is illegal to box on this server, but what is one suppose to do if you see someone and you are almost sure they are boxing? Petition is 1 thing, but how do you get proof? People are rude if you ask them, but the behavior of 2 toons is suspicious, plus I don’t want to waste the time of the people who run things, I am sure they have better things to do IF I am wrong.

Basically 2 high level s at a camp and only 1 are moving around, the other doesn’t move or talk. Both in line for a mob. No guild, similar name….

I really don’t want to cause trouble because I can’t tell for sure, but I am also not dumb. Any advice would help, thank you.

Fraps it if you're inclined, and/or send a petition when you're reasonably sure. A lot of people ARE 2-boxing, and I'm sure the GM's don't go rushing around on single complaints.

[Prefader]

Don't name names

I think there's a hidden message here.

[Fawqueue]

Hi Everyone!
Now I know that it is illegal to box on this server, but what is one suppose to do if you see someone and you are almost sure they are boxing? Petition is 1 thing, but how do you get proof? People are rude if you ask them, but the behavior of 2 toons is suspicious, plus I don’t want to waste the time of the people who run things, I am sure they have better things to do IF I am wrong.

Basically 2 high level s at a camp and only 1 are moving around, the other doesn’t move or talk. Both in line for a mob. No guild, similar name….

I really don’t want to cause trouble because I can’t tell for sure, but I am also not dumb. Any advice would help, thank you.

Also take into account what camp they were at, and which classes they were playing. As an enchanter, I can solo just about any camp that a single group can do. Therefore, if you found me at a camp with a buddy or guildie...they might just be hanging out, waiting to replace me, or AFK often because they aren't neccessary.

I know it can be frustrating to think someone else is taking advantage of the rules while you might feel like you suffer, but don't worry. Even if they are boxing...they get to camp something for hours. Big deal, could happen just the same as if you saw me there alone. You'll be happier if you don't take on this witch hunt as your own personal crusade =P

[Kender]

I think there's a hidden message here.

yeah the hidden message is anyone who says don't name names is a boxer

[baub]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h1euQKJsr4

0:55 -> 1:15





Bonus KW clip because this guy is just that awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jQI_6G5Cw&feature=related

[Adachi]

http://blogs.sohh.com/atlanta/KILLER%20MIKE.jpg

[DekThai]

lol

[Sigmastorm]

Boxing is great on p99, can do so many things alone.

[Smyd]

People often accuse my group that one of us are boxing... up until present my group had the following make up :

Myself, roomate, GF, brother, brother's wife and another friend. If our group is not complete, we get pick ups. The pickups/outsiders often think something is weird because of our general lack of typing unless we need to... why is this? We use skype.

Often my bro and his wife will leave their chars to auto follow me when running through a zone purely due to laziness and more often than not, we are accused of boxing.
Let me just say that if you are going to report someone, please get your facts straight. I'm sick of having to complete GM related tasks to prove we are not boxing because you people are so offended by the thought and are super quick to jump to conclusions.

[Omnimorph]

People often accuse my group that one of us are boxing... up until present my group had the following make up :

Myself, roomate, GF, brother, brother's wife and another friend. If our group is not complete, we get pick ups. The pickups/outsiders often think something is weird because of our general lack of typing unless we need to... why is this? We use skype.

Often my bro and his wife will leave their chars to auto follow me when running through a zone purely due to laziness and more often than not, we are accused of boxing.
Let me just say that if you are going to report someone, please get your facts straight. I'm sick of having to complete GM related tasks to prove we are not boxing because you people are so offended by the thought and are super quick to jump to conclusions.

Err... No. You've just said yourself that practically your whole group is doing telltale signs used to identify 2-boxers. If you're going to do these people will think you're boxing.

There's not many ways to identify someone boxing outside of the ones you listed.

If you're suspicious of someone boxing, pay close attention before reporting it though. If in any doubt, don't report it would be my advice.

[stormlord]

I play on projectEQ sometimes, and even box there. The zones and items are not accurate, though. Probably 3/4 of the toons are boxed. But when I play on p1999, look out! If I spot you, it's curtains for you, I say.

I once was in BB and saw suspicious behavior. A toon was following another and ducking over/over and attack at precise times. It was very weird. I did not report because I was not certain according to what I know. However, if I had stuck around longer maybe I could have found out. In any case, I think the no boxing rule on p1999 helps to make it unique. The servers shouldn't be the same and I"m glad they're not. I think there should be a server that goes up to PoP and stops. This one goes to velious and stops. Why not?

Remember, if you think boxing is cool, take it elsewhere! 1 in 500 people might prefer cocoa puffs over fruit loops, but if you have 300,000,000 people that amounts to 600,000 people who prefer cocoa puffs and if you serve them fruit loops you'll get it thrown in your face. If only a few people don't like boxing and they come here then you should not come here to force your boxing habits on the people who do not want it. This world (eqemulator) is big enough for the minority populations. When they come together, they're the majority!

Respect others and they will respect you. Follow the rules. Don't box. Put away mq2 and your other tools.

[Smyd]

Err... No. You've just said yourself that practically your whole group is doing telltale signs used to identify 2-boxers. If you're going to do these people will think you're boxing.

There's not many ways to identify someone boxing outside of the ones you listed.

If you're suspicious of someone boxing, pay close attention before reporting it though. If in any doubt, don't report it would be my advice.

Yes I understand that, but the point I'm trying to make is that even though groups/players sometimes do show those signs, don't jump to conclusions right off the bat without some deeper investigation of some sort...

A direct report leads to a GM popping in front of you while you're at a camp, or any activity for that matter, ports your group out and makes you do various tests to prove that you aren't boxing. This exercise gets tiresome because some douche bag thought you were boxing lol... it's like putting wheels onto a tomato, time consuming and utterly pointless.

[nymphloa]

Sad...very sad to read posts like this...but on the plus side you made me smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRcZPna1rDI&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaQhXsmsT48&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xar26qp1mYE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRivqpinXRM

[Lagaidh]

Threads like this make me paranoid of the inevitible day when my wife and I are asked if we are boxing. We're in adjoining rooms and can just talk. Her butt's on the ground a majority of the time medding.

I understand the animosity towards boxing on this server, and I didn't even like it in live. However, there seems to be an anxiety over it on p99 where people are wanting to see it before they even open their eyes.

It's like assuming a plumber isn't booksmart and being surprised when he or she can critically deconstruct The Great Gatsby...

[regatta]

If you can talk to each player just have one count to you in tells from 1-50 and the other count from 50-1 simultaneously. You'll know if they are boxing.

[nymphloa]

If you can talk to each player just have one count to you in tells from 1-50 and the other count from 50-1 simultaneously. You'll know if they are boxing.

Dude....seriously

[Omica]

Threads like this make me paranoid of the inevitible day when my wife and I are asked if we are boxing.

Yeah I was a little bit apprehensive in getting an IP exemption when my GF decided to give this game a shot. Now that I see there are people on an active witch hunt for boxers, it's making me just not want to even play at the same time as her. I don't even know how I'd respond if someone asked me to count from 50 backwards to prove I'm not breaking the rules.

[nymphloa]

I don't even know how I'd respond if someone asked me to count from 50 backwards to prove I'm not breaking the rules.

True that some nights I find it hard to walk a straight line from the fridge to the Pc if ya know what I am saying :D

[Glaani]

If you're suspicious of someone boxing, pay close attention before reporting it though. If in any doubt, don't report it would be my advice.

Yes. ^^

Like Lagaidh, my husband and I are resigned to the fact that we'll probably be challenged some day as being boxers. I'd hope that someone who suspects us would talk to us before reporting, to rule boxing out and save the GMs the time and trouble.

[Eyry]

If I see people boxing I report it. It's disrespectful to the GMs because they came up with the rules and they expect the rules to be followed. It is cheating and it takes away from the social aspect of the game....

[nymphloa]

If I see people boxing I report it. It's disrespectful to the GMs because they came up with the rules and they expect the rules to be followed. It is cheating and it takes away from the social aspect of the game....

You a hater boy..its haters that take away the social aspect of this mofo "game" :rolleyes:

[Loke]

Yea, I've been accused of boxing before because I had a friend log my alt in and afk him in a group with my main (both have similar names).. or because a friend was using my wizard to port for $$ while I was raiding on my main. Basically if you have two characters with similar names and they're on at the same time, people automatically assume the worst.

Unless you have more than mere suspicion - I would avoid wasting the GMs time personally.

[karsten]

if i see someone that is obviously autofollowing i don't report it because I just assume it is a husband/wife team and the wife is following around doing nothing because women are terrible at video games

[Loke]

women are terrible

[Omnimorph]

Yea, I've been accused of boxing before because I had a friend log my alt in and afk him in a group with my main (both have similar names).. or because a friend was using my wizard to port for $$ while I was raiding on my main. Basically if you have two characters with similar names and they're on at the same time, people automatically assume the worst.

Unless you have more than mere suspicion - I would avoid wasting the GMs time personally.

There's abit of grey area on that :p

Example - friend logging on your toon and afking him in group for you to exp. Technically not boxing but will certainly look like it.

And then there's people boxing from multiple IP addresses.

It IS hard to enforce the no boxing rule, and then there's certain things like what loke is doing, which if questioned over it at the time would have come across as very suspicious (ie. someone sending him a tell and then the alt who is similarly named and the simarly named character is afk, albeit being played by a separate person who is afk)

And now my head hurts... but yeah, it is hard for gm's to enforce it, and i imagine the only people who do get banned are the ones the gm's are sure about.

[Uthgaard]

It really isn't hard to enforce or verify. When in doubt, report. None of us have time to go hunt this down. It depends on players alerting us.

I have lots of neat tricks of my own to test you without you ever realizing I did it. Most of the time, people aren't. I do my best to not interfere with people unless I need that extra confirmation. All of this takes ~5 minutes.

I've banned people who weren't. But as long as they present their explanation like a reasonable human being using the proper channels (read: not spamming, raging, or slamming the devs all over every forum), I listen to their story. That goes for pretty much everything.

[ukaking]

if i see someone that is obviously autofollowing i don't report it because I just assume it is a husband/wife team and the wife is following around doing nothing because women are terrible at video games

My wife and I get asked in group a lot if Im boxing because she doesn't speak that much and does Auto follow a lot since she doesnt know the game world. Im not sure how much more we can do to prove it to some people. It does make me paranoid because this is really the only game we want to play.

[Evandor]

...because she doesn't speak that much and does Auto follow a lot since she doesnt know the game world.

and never wants to learn it... come on?
even if she doesn't know the way, cant she use her own fingers to move her char?. pretty poor excuse in my view.

[Henini]

I too have a wife that doesn't speak and doesn't move her own toon around, but I swear she's the one getting up to cast every now and then while I do everything else!



there have never been so many women playing an mmo then on this server, much less wives...

or brothers and sisters and dads and heck soon we will have someone that has an ip exemption for his dog

[Dantes]

Bullshit. Since when does a woman NOT want to talk? Most of the time you can't get them to shut up.

Boxer! :p

[Alawen Everywhere]

On my last live server, Stromm, I two-boxed a warrior (Virgil) and a cleric (Daire). In Paludal Caverns, I met this cool rogue, Hutto, and he and I leveled together all the way to 65.

Hutto tends to be a quiet guy in group, although he's plenty conversational in tells. I got accused of three boxing almost daily. I have no clue why people thought I'd say that I was playing two if I were playing three.

My point is that people like to make snap judgments about things based on flimsy evidence and then they will stubbornly cling to that erroneous opinion. To this day, I have little doubt that many people still think I was boxing Hutto.

After not seeing each other for seven years, Hutto and I met again on Project 1999. What's up Hutto!

[Messianic]

On my last live server, Stromm, I two-boxed a warrior (Virgil) and a cleric (Daire). In Paludal Caverns, I met this cool rogue, Hutto, and he and I leveled together all the way to 65.

Hutto tends to be a quiet guy in group, although he's plenty conversational in tells. I got accused of three boxing almost daily. I have no clue why people thought I'd say that I was playing two if I were playing three.

My point is that people like to make snap judgments about things based on flimsy evidence and then they will stubbornly cling to that erroneous opinion. To this day, I have little doubt that many people still think I was boxing Hutto.

After not seeing each other for seven years, Hutto and I met again on Project 1999. What's up Hutto!

Three boxer! =P

[Loke]

I two-boxed... daily... I was playing two...people like to make...judgments about things based on....evidence... To this day, I...box... on Project 1999.

He admits it! Ban him! The jig is up Alawen!

[Excision Rottun]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eXiJBL-5Sq0/SEmdFkZdGjI/AAAAAAAAAAk/TytnLhOBvPM/S1600-R/SnitchesGetStitches.jpg

[Slippy]

So I found out that the person I was talking about was doing some sort of chain camping.

He would camp a mob, then he would go AFK and his friend would hold the camp for him until he decided to come back. Then before one would leave, another friend would come and hold the camp. What is the ruling on that?

Original Camper Goes afk. Camper Friend 1 holds camp. Camper friend 2 comes into the zone takes over, Camper friend 1 logs. Original Camper comes back for a second, goes AFK again.

Original Camper never left technically.

So that situation I am screwed right. AC in SRo camp.

[yaeger]

So I found out that the person I was talking about was doing some sort of chain camping.

He would camp a mob, then he would go AFK and his friend would hold the camp for him until he decided to come back. Then before one would leave, another friend would come and hold the camp. What is the ruling on that?

Original Camper Goes afk. Camper Friend 1 holds camp. Camper friend 2 comes into the zone takes over, Camper friend 1 logs. Original Camper comes back for a second, goes AFK again.

Original Camper never left technically.

So that situation I am screwed right. AC in SRo camp.

Sorta off topic, but..

No, if you were in zone waiting at the camp location, you're next in line over the 'friend'. Once the original camper goes afk and ignores the spawn, move in, it's yours now.

[Loke]

Sorta off topic, but..

No, if you were in zone waiting at the camp location, you're next in line over the 'friend'. Once the original camper goes afk and ignores the spawn, move in, it's yours now.

Think you're incorrect on that one...

7. We do not have a rule for how a camp will be handed off to another player. It is recommended the player interested in obtaining a camp work that out with who is on the camp already.
*Example* Player a is on jboots, player b comes and sits and just waits. If player a wants to hand off to his friend rather than player b, he has that right. If player a wants to hold a list and give to the next player on that list, that is also his right. GMs will not moderate that unless player b can prove he was deceived by player a with how the camp would be handed off.

[Fawqueue]

I was just about to post that Loke. Yeah, there is no set-in-stone way for you to get that camp, short of the guy already there giving it to you. And he doesn't have to, he can hand it off to guildies or friends all day and night if he wants to.

[yaeger]

Sorry, but I don't buy the 'hand-off' rule. Sounds like a cheap way for a couple people to keep something perma-camped.

Take the camp once the first player leaves, to hell with what the replacement player thinks. You've been waiting patiently for hours for a shot at it, don't give up.

[oldhead]

If I see people boxing I report it. It's disrespectful to the GMs because they came up with the rules and they expect the rules to be followed. It is cheating and it takes away from the social aspect of the game....

What is the evidence you, as an expert boxing reporter, base your report on?

[oldhead]

I too have a wife that doesn't speak and doesn't move her own toon around, but I swear she's the one getting up to cast every now and then while I do everything else!



there have never been so many women playing an mmo then on this server, much less wives...

or brothers and sisters and dads and heck soon we will have someone that has an ip exemption for his dog

Let me respond to your sarcasm.

We are all older now. We have grown up, knocked our bitches up, and have wives now. Family.

If you are a husband than you will know. Getting an hour to play is hard. yet alone the 5-8 hours EQ'ers love to put in at a stretch to camp or grind.

The only way to do this and not have a divorce is to get your wife and kids involved. Even if they arnt leet players like the rest of us. Even if they dont understand the mechanics or take it serious and go afk all the time.

This is why there are lots of wives.

[fishingme]

Yes I understand that, but the point I'm trying to make is that even though groups/players sometimes do show those signs, don't jump to conclusions right off the bat without some deeper investigation of some sort...

A direct report leads to a GM popping in front of you while you're at a camp, or any activity for that matter, ports your group out and makes you do various tests to prove that you aren't boxing. This exercise gets tiresome because some douche bag thought you were boxing lol... it's like putting wheels onto a tomato, time consuming and utterly pointless.

Yeah, I bet it also gets tiring when you're boxing, huh

[fishingme]

Sorta off topic, but..

No, if you were in zone waiting at the camp location, you're next in line over the 'friend'. Once the original camper goes afk and ignores the spawn, move in, it's yours now.

There is a real possibility that the person IS multi-boxing but logging on alts to get the loot on them

[Mcbard]

Let me respond to your sarcasm.

We are all older now. We have grown up, knocked our bitches up, and have wives now. Family.

If you are a husband than you will know. Getting an hour to play is hard. yet alone the 5-8 hours EQ'ers love to put in at a stretch to camp or grind.

The only way to do this and not have a divorce is to get your wife and kids involved. Even if they arnt leet players like the rest of us. Even if they dont understand the mechanics or take it serious and go afk all the time.

This is why there are lots of wives.

Fwiw (nothing) I agree with both of you! :P

Edit: I should also add: I was finally able to get my gf to play with me last night. Now does anybody have any tips on how I can make xp grinding fun? Apparently killing bats and rats for a couple of hours is just "boring" if you're not really a "gamer" that cares about leveling up. Please help, I don't want to have to find a new girlfriend!

[Raavak]

Both my kids have become curious about what daddy's doing on his laptop. I'm thinking that mom telling dad to do more with the kids might fit in here :p

[Raavak]

Apparently killing bats and rats for a couple of hours is just "boring" if you're not really a "gamer" that cares about leveling up. Please help, I don't want to have to find a new girlfriend!
Teach her how to cyber for plat. Or just interact with the others. Maybe the social aspect will get her to catch on.

[BlazeKING]

No seriously, my wife plays, my mom and dad plays as well as our young son and our dog...but they are shy and don't like to talk and they autofollow a lot because they don't know how to play...so plz don't report if you see this you dirty snitcher

[Scroll]

My brother used to punish his kids by forcing them to farm things in EQ. It was a good deterrent to bad behavior ;)

[oldhead]

speaking of boxing...

100 people in EC tunnel.... 5 people selling things.

lulz

[JayDee]

Bullshit. Since when does a woman NOT want to talk? Most of the time you can't get them to shut up.

Boxer! :p

lololololol

[bluejam]

Basically if you have two characters with similar names and they're on at the same time, people automatically assume the worst.

That's why I quit playing my rogue.

[khazim]

My old roommate and I used to get accused of boxing all the ti9me on the live server, since our PCs were situated right next to each other, how do you think we communicated?

[nagarpoe]

The same thing happened to me and fiancee when we were playing classic eq a couple of months back (we're taking a break since school and work have gotten pretty busy)... our group members would think that we're just one guy.

Understandable because I'm a talkative fast typer and fiancee doesn't like to type much or talk much...plus he's new to the EQ completely so he had slightly slower reactions to things (everything was "What's this? What's that? I wonder what would happen if i jump off the ledge?)

I'd have to tell them that if they dont believe that we're two people, come to public mumble so that you will hear the proof of a female voice and a male voice, lol.

[Karrmer]

The Karrmer trio is back again and minutes after logging in was accused of boxing, amusingly.

Karrmer, Karmerr, and Karrmerr - three friends living in seperate states playing together since 1999. I assume if a petition is made we can prove in game that we're all playing our own character and no where even near each other?

[Wizerud]

They can tell by IP address that you're not close to each other.

[Ploppy]

if i see someone that is obviously autofollowing i don't report it because I just assume it is a husband/wife team and the wife is following around doing nothing because women are terrible at video games

Oh I see you've met my wife lol. She's had me on auto follow since 1999

[vincin]

I dont think you can box on this server...can u?

[Cyrius]

Boxing is not allowed on this server.

[girth]

Which is retarded.

[Cyrius]

Not your decision to make.

[Duie]

Id just stand at the begining of the zone and yell TRAIN!!!!!!!!


Youll find out real quick if they are boxing

[girth]

Not your decision to make.

http://exec.actioncoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/wrong-hiring-decisions.jpg

[vincin]

I dont even get the point of boxing. you can solo things so you need to create a second character to do it? I just think boxing would be harder than soloing

[Darklake]

I dont even get the point of boxing. you can solo things so you need to create a second character to do it? I just think boxing would be harder than soloing

Convenience. Imagine playing a monk that had a tame druid in tow - healing, buffing, damage shields, snare/root, porting, carrying the loot, selling and banking, and no having to find a quiet spot to transfer gear/plat. You'd have much, much less downtime. Sure, if you find a partner to level up with you, you'd have the same benefits at your disposal, but not everyone plays in the US time zone or has friends interested in reliving a 10 year old game.

It's all moot anyway - their house, their rules. I box on other servers (Shards of Dalaya) but I prefer the classic game.

[Dantes]

Does a blow-up doll in a computer chair next to me count for an IP exemption?

[splitshine]

Like Lagaidh, my husband and I are resigned to the fact that we'll probably be challenged some day as being boxers. I'd hope that someone who suspects us would talk to us before reporting, to rule boxing out and save the GMs the time and trouble.

Talk to you? I get asshole's shouting in /ooc that I'm a boxer when I've PLed friends on my druid. Had someone do it to me in Unrest courtyard so I went round buffing everyone except that person. Might have been petty but I felt like I won.

[Mady]

if i see someone that is obviously autofollowing i don't report it because I just assume it is a husband/wife team and the wife is following around doing nothing because women are terrible at video games

This is my wife. She auto follows whenever we have a long run to make. She hits f10 and sits back and enjoys the scenery as it goes by.

[Arkanjil]

This is my wife. She auto follows whenever we have a long run to make. She hits f10 and sits back and enjoys the scenery as it goes by.

Way to get trolled by the pro! :p

[Wrynna]

Ploppy : :D im not even sure what your face looks like dear.

[Engraverwilliam]

This is my wife. She auto follows whenever we have a long run to make. She hits f10 and sits back and enjoys the scenery as it goes by.

ditto

I play 1st person and she plays third person...she acts as my rear view while we travel. We talk in the same room. I have to tell her that someone is talking to her, that she needs to respond. Shes getting better at recognizing ques from the chat box. However the first couple days were "interesting"

[Messianic]

haters wanna hate boxers wanna box

That's deep

[Swishahouse]

Snitches get stitches!

[Dominick]

boxes get loxes

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