Does a Ranger out dps a Warrior?

[Veleria]

Does a Ranger out dps a Warrior? Looking at the kill caps the warrior seems to have higher caps in most offensive skills. I have not played a ranger past 50 so I was hopin you could explain what I may be missing.

[Itap]

at 60, warriors get triple attack. With epics, they can keep up with monks/rogues, although slightly behind. There are plenty of parses floating around on these boards

[fiveeauxfour]

Rangers can do some pretty good dps because I think they get better ratio weapons. Also it is easier for them to get haste cap due to epic and easily attainable sky cloak. Rangers can give monk dps a run for its money for sure and its fun to compete with geared rangers down where the pleb melee dps sits below the rogues.

Wars don't get triple attack till like luclin prepatch so rangers will outdps them til then at least. Plus in velious there is trueshot which is cool.

But i digress, no melee will ever catch rogues because that what the rogue class is for, DEEPS! , the ranger dps is better than warrior dps and is on par with monk dps. Rogue >ranger/monk>war

[Colgate]

warriors are insanely good on p99, and yes, they get triple attack in kunark

on longer fights they outdps every other class due to precision being broken

once monks get triple attack toward the end of velious and assuming they've fixed precision discipline, monks will outperform warriors

rangers fall far behind rogues, warriors, and monks

[fiveeauxfour]

they get triple attack in kunark

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[Colgate]

warriors get triple attack in kunark

monks get it late in velious

rangers get it in luclin?

[Veleria]

So it seems that warriors get triple attack and with precision disc can out dps a ranger. I didn't specify earlier but I was interested in group content and I am not a rich twink so neither will have the epic most likely ever. In group sustained gameplay is the warrior still ahead? Do warriors ever get groups as dps? Xp penalty aside would a group take one over the other of they already have a tank?

[Itap]

So it seems that warriors get triple attack and with precision disc can out dps a ranger. I didn't specify earlier but I was interested in group content and I am not a rich twink so neither will have the epic most likely ever. In group sustained gameplay is the warrior still ahead? Do warriors ever get groups as dps? Xp penalty aside would a group take one over the other of they already have a tank?

A Warrior as dps is equivalent to a rogue with no backstab

[Colgate]

warriors are higher than rogues without backstab considering warriors tend to be races with higher base strength, critical hits, and triple attack(60)

[DrKvothe]

Doesn't seem like the comparison matters very much. Unless of course you have the patience to level a ranger to 60, access to comparable levels of gear for each, and only care about your role as a raid dps but for some reason didn't roll a rogue or wizard.

[sox7d]

2.5s cast 450 dmg nuke. If the ranger isn't needed on heal-duty and there's a chanter/bard in the group, kinda like having a pocket wizard/ghetto backstab.

[fennixad]

Mained ranger on live; the answer is maybe in your Dreams. Ranger in classic its the worst class, but is rly rly fun to play and good rangers can shine at group, but...

[Fanguru]

In pure melee dps the warrior ranks better.
In overall dps, if the warrior does not use his discipline, the ranger is focused on dps with c2, casts nukes and does not get resisted, ranger ranks better.

That's a lot of ifs.
So yeah, overall, warriors outdamage rangers.

At least we rangers get some versatility and can help out with parking / ghetto heals.

[Darguth]

Pre-Luclin rangers are for providing an EQ Classic hard-mode, plain and simple.

[fennixad]

With woodsman staff u can nuke beetween hits, with epics doesnt worth as well as 2h weapon. A monk 35 can outdps a ranger 45 maybe more xD

[ctre]

watched epic ranger on p99 duel an epic monk.
if the Ranger epic slow proced early enough, (and stuck). the monk lost
If the ranger epic proced late, or not. the monk won

[Darguth]

watched epic ranger on p99 duel an epic monk.
if the Ranger epic slow proced early enough, (and stuck). the monk lost
If the ranger epic proced late, or not. the monk won

Cool story, but that doesn't really have anything to do with a competitive DPS comparison other than confirming that Monks do more DPS.

[webrunner5]

I would say until triple attack on a Warrior and no Disk a Ranger is nearly equal DPS wise. Their stats are pretty close caps wise. Try having a Warrior and a Ranger in a group and see who has agro 75% of the time, the Ranger. So that tells you something right there. :p

The big thing is a Warrior can take a ton of damage and a Ranger can't.

[Colgate]

rangers never come close at all to our warriors on parses for raid mobs

rangers will do around 50 dps at best

it's normal for warriors to do over 100 dps

[Daldaen]

rangers never come close at all to our warriors on parses for raid mobs

rangers will do around 50 dps at best

it's normal for warriors to do over 100 dps

Aren't your raids 60-80 members typically? Meaning warriors have Discs active for 50%+ of the fight.

I don't think warriors are pulling in 100 DPS undisced. Maybe with damage shields while tanking?

[Colgate]

it's with precision discipline

precision lasts what, 3 minutes?

on longer velious fights, they will outparse rogues by a long shot if they never fix precision

[Nocsucow]

Yea guys listen to this 14 year old that kills everything with 80 people... I've personally seen a ranger out parse a whole raid several times... the whole triple attack thing isn't even on the skill list .. monks out dps warriors 95% of the time even without triple attack.

[Veleria]

I would say until triple attack on a Warrior and no Disk a Ranger is nearly equal DPS wise. Their stats are pretty close caps wise. Try having a Warrior and a Ranger in a group and see who has agro 75% of the time, the Ranger. So that tells you something right there. :p

The big thing is a Warrior can take a ton of damage and a Ranger can't.

Aggro is not closely related to damage dealt. A ranger can out aggro a warrior with a couple of low level spell casts. that contribute almost no damage. This is why warriors use proccing weapons for aggro. Spells are the key to aggro.

[ctre]

Hi

Well here is a thing i noted, (as my main on live was a ranger).

If the ranger tanked, there dps reduced considerably.
If the ranger did not tank, there dps was much higher.

The opposite was noted for warriors.
If they tanked or did not tank, the difference in dps was not that much.

For P99 I would like to see a ranger dps with a bow, (say a sky bow) and using epics
vs War and epics.
3 Sets of dmg to compare..

also a high agi war vs high agi ranger.. & high dex for both..
and high str war,(normal agi) vs highl str, (normal agi) ranger.
{Am courious about procs and Crits} And be nice to know.

Anybody have a table of dps for these different situations..?

[Pint]

i think warriors only have triple attack on their 2 handers atm. you need some pretty great gear in this era to be solid steady dps as a ranger, in velious when their wpn skills increase they should be able to hand with undisc'd warriors.

[Colgate]

why wouldn't they have triple attack on one handers

pretty sure the double/triple attack function doesn't take into account what kind of weapon is being used beyond melee/ranged

[SamwiseRed]

I've personally seen a ranger out parse a whole raid several times... the whole triple attack thing isn't even on the skill list .. monks out dps warriors 95% of the time even without triple attack.

I am going to have to ask for prof on that one.

[Aaramis]

I am going to have to ask for prof on that one.

Yeah, at this point in Kunark, I'd have to agree - the Warrior will most likely be on par, or slightly ahead, of the Ranger, provided that both are afforded dps roles and aren't tanking (and therefore subject to higher evades, parries, ripostes, etc.). The Warrior has slightly higher skill caps, plus triple attack. And neither class will have a dex so high that procs become very commonplace.

Come Velious, the Ranger should pull ahead ever so slightly on regular fights (mostly due to Call of Fire procs, which do add up!), and noticeably so on burns due to Trueshot.

And in Luclin and onwards, the Ranger noticeably pulls ahead for a while until later expansions when archery mastery isn't as godlike as it is when first obtained.

[Fanguru]

Errr, no sane ranger will use call of fire in any raid. 50 dd + 1sec stun is huge aggro.
This buff should only ever go to the tank, actually increasing warrior dps over ranger.

[koros]

Errr, no sane ranger will use call of fire in any raid. 50 dd + 1sec stun is huge aggro.
This buff should only ever go to the tank, actually increasing warrior dps over ranger.

Self-only buff.

[Fanguru]

My bad, got confused with call of earth castable on tanks and the clicky call of fire gloves from luclin.
Still, it's not something rangers will use on raids.

[koros]

Rangers can outdamage a warrior in groups if they nuke (and the war isn't in perma berserk mode) and have c2/bard song. At 60 it's almost +20 dps sustained, if mobs aren't resistant and there's not 100% fighting uptime.

Otherwise rangers really can't compete as far as pure melee dps goes. Higher skillcaps, crits, and triple attack will keep warriors ahead.

The Velious patch that puts ranger skillcaps equal to warriors will probably put them at ~90-95% of warrior dps.

The late Velious patch that gives rangers an innate atk boost should put them about equal to warriors.

This is all out the window on fights when warriors can use precision.

[webrunner5]

Rangers can outdamage a warrior in groups if they nuke (and the war isn't in perma berserk mode) and have c2/bard song. At 60 it's almost +20 dps sustained, if mobs aren't resistant and there's not 100% fighting uptime.

Otherwise rangers really can't compete as far as pure melee dps goes. Higher skillcaps, crits, and triple attack will keep warriors ahead.

The Velious patch that puts ranger skillcaps equal to warriors will probably put them at ~90-95% of warrior dps.

The late Velious patch that gives rangers an innate atk boost should put them about equal to warriors.

This is all out the window on fights when warriors can use precision.

I agree. We are not talking a Day and Night difference on them until Warriors get triple attack. They skill caps are not that far apart. And a Ranger can use one hell of a lot of weapons Warriors use. But I still say they suck as Tanks healing them wise. A mana sieve. :eek:

[koros]

I agree. We are not talking a Day and Night difference on them until Warriors get triple attack. They skill caps are not that far apart. And a Ranger can use one hell of a lot of weapons Warriors use. But I still say they suck as Tanks healing them wise. A mana sieve. :eek:

Is triple attack that big? Never parsed it, here or on live. I thought it was like a 10% fire rate on a successful double. So decent, but not HUGE.

[Zalaerian]

Warriors going to rek dmg parses in velious unless precision is nerfed. The longer the fight goes the more rogues fall off vs wars

[Zalaerian]

Is triple attack that big? Never parsed it, here or on live. I thought it was like a 10% fire rate on a successful double. So decent, but not HUGE.

Is say closer to 40%