Rogue ExPerts

[silo32]

How much is the +28 str +20 stam Slam Boulder Quest make a difference?

vs human velious custom dragon helm, and only non illusion a rogue can get besides wood elf

I know we have some good rogue players here

deluxe dwarfs with +5 mr and barrel roll good ststs

brenard/rag wood elfs with sub par str and aesthetics

barb game breaking? big big tall get stuck in doors? I can't make up my mind

capping 200str at the low end huge in back stabs?

Slam vital?

rogue/human look great in armor models but stats are meh

looking good vs min max

[silo32]

rogue epic work at lvl 1? 40% haste? or do I still need a haste belt till 50

[Jimmybones]

rogue epic work at lvl 1? 40% haste? or do I still need a haste belt till 50

works at lvl 1

[Stalos_]

gnome.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

How much is the +28 str +20 stam Slam Boulder Quest make a difference?

vs human velious custom dragon helm, and only non illusion a rogue can get besides wood elf

I know we have some good rogue players here

deluxe dwarfs with +5 mr and barrel roll good ststs

brenard/rag wood elfs with sub par str and aesthetics

barb game breaking? big big tall get stuck in doors? I can't make up my mind

capping 200str at the low end huge in back stabs?

Slam vital?

rogue/human look great in armor models but stats are meh

looking good vs min max

How much would 28str/20sta be worth in gear to you? That's 1 his Velious or like 2-3 bis Kunark, it's kind of a big deal.

5mr pretty negligible.

Wood elfs and half elfs actually look boss in plate graphics but stats suck.

Barb actually is like playing a human in first person, you're akin to a medium race player, not a large one. Also, DE mask or others if you really need to get around.

Slam is on the same timer as backstab, not sure who would want to racial slam (1dmg) versus backstabs but ymmv.

Gnome/HFL/dwf are the only real considerations outside of Barb because of size and wall hax.

[Ragnaros]

Go Barbarian. They are the best rogues simply because of the reasons listed. Although as a.barbarian you will be ALOT easier to hit. Although in Velious huge raid gear advantage negates the.racial stat differences, boulders would allways be a nice thing to have. Honestly just pick whichever race that will be able to keep you immersed because you will be looking at that character alot. I picked wood elf because of high dex and agility plus its not to big.

[Smedy]

listen to agatha, he managed to loose mage best of the best without doing 1 point of damage to his opponent in a enclosed space.

everquest scientist slathar said it should be impossible but he pulled it off

protip: go gnome, thank me later

[Akalakamelee]

listen to agatha, he managed to loose mage best of the best without doing 1 point of damage to his opponent in a enclosed space.

everquest scientist slathar said it should be impossible but he pulled it off

protip: go gnome, thank me later

why gnome? Not a troll serious question. IMO barb or dwf is best.
Does a gnome rogue have perks I just am not aware of?

[Genedin]

Gnomes have a graphic bug where you can see through walls, also if you make a short name you can Los hide behind real small structures for spells and General visibility, it's not a hard coded game advantage as much as it allows a skilled player to exploit the size

[fred schnarf]

barbarians have more stats which wont matter at high end, slam is on the same cooldown as backstab which makes it pointless

pick a small char or regret it, rogues are hard

[Akalakamelee]

Might reroll gnome or dwf

[silo32]

I made a lvl 1 barb, 29 hp
I made a lvl 1 human, 27 hp

difference at this lvl +20/-20 stam

How important is capping 20 str on damage?

I have noticed so far +10 str sub lvl 10 is +10 attack

Already noticing the non barb difference -28 str would be about 30 attack at this lvl and put me at over 200 str with gear im at 175 (non epic)

I don't know how far I plan to go with this rogue, if velious? Str is way easy to cap, boulders are nice, but that's another thing you have to farm and they don't guarantee kills but can secure them.

Custom Helms are kinda of a big deal maybe. I don't like any of the models minus human/wood elf, both look amazing in velious vs dwarf/barb/gnome/half geared.

Both are also the only race you can't get a mask for on this server at point in the time line.

I tried the smaller races, dwarf, gnome and they just feel the opposite of a fat race. Weird positioning, under mobs, have to jump on some stairs. I always feel like im looking up or having too, and the same with a large race looking down.

Are barbs easier to hit in pvp? Hit box is wider? I know in mass pvp ogres trolls and barbs tend to stand out in the crowd. Smaller or mid size races not so much so.

min max or fashion quest?

what matters? how much is 30 attack or 30 str in race? I doubt I ll ever need slam sounds nice but another backstab would prob seal the deal.

I really dislike models on barbs but from a min max point, they are prob the best rogue but how so in pvp? can you wiggle around for backstabs they feel clunky and I cant think of one outstanding barb player other than tune on his rogue

the top 3-5 best rogues on this server are

dwarf
gnome
woodelf
woodelf
dwarf

just saying most of the barbies ive seen here are meh mediocre below average players and ive seen some outstanding players get past the racial or stat differences but how would those same players fair with another race, it does have a difference feel.

The seeing through walls things is a bonus but not game breaking

[maerilith]

Barb if casual. Cosmetics if hardcore. Either way u will go u will love char if u love rogue class.

[Nirgon]

Have watched throwing boulder classes literally just chase casters and boulder them down on the run (Fatality in OOT).

Ez choice - plus you can crit with boulders to da back with deadly strikes. Bows? Naw no deadly strike.

[HippoNipple]

I made a lvl 1 barb, 29 hp
I made a lvl 1 human, 27 hp

difference at this lvl +20/-20 stam

How important is capping 20 str on damage?

I have noticed so far +10 str sub lvl 10 is +10 attack

Already noticing the non barb difference -28 str would be about 30 attack at this lvl and put me at over 200 str with gear im at 175 (non epic)

I don't know how far I plan to go with this rogue, if velious? Str is way easy to cap, boulders are nice, but that's another thing you have to farm and they don't guarantee kills but can secure them.

Custom Helms are kinda of a big deal maybe. I don't like any of the models minus human/wood elf, both look amazing in velious vs dwarf/barb/gnome/half geared.

Both are also the only race you can't get a mask for on this server at point in the time line.

I tried the smaller races, dwarf, gnome and they just feel the opposite of a fat race. Weird positioning, under mobs, have to jump on some stairs. I always feel like im looking up or having too, and the same with a large race looking down.

Are barbs easier to hit in pvp? Hit box is wider? I know in mass pvp ogres trolls and barbs tend to stand out in the crowd. Smaller or mid size races not so much so.

min max or fashion quest?

what matters? how much is 30 attack or 30 str in race? I doubt I ll ever need slam sounds nice but another backstab would prob seal the deal.

I really dislike models on barbs but from a min max point, they are prob the best rogue but how so in pvp? can you wiggle around for backstabs they feel clunky and I cant think of one outstanding barb player other than tune on his rogue

the top 3-5 best rogues on this server are

dwarf
gnome
woodelf
woodelf
dwarf

just saying most of the barbies ive seen here are meh mediocre below average players and ive seen some outstanding players get past the racial or stat differences but how would those same players fair with another race, it does have a difference feel.

The seeing through walls things is a bonus but not game breaking

For stats it will make less of a difference in Velious compared to Kunark where items specialize in certain types of stats. If you max out your str you can focus on hps or resists for instance. Velious pretty much destroys specialization and just makes you more powerful across the board, like gear tiers on WoW.

If you are worried about Velious era don't worry about stats. Just compare throwing boulders to race size/looks. Illusion masks are easy so to get so it isn't a huge deal.... minor inconvenience. You mentioned you are wanting to min/max and AoNs will be easier to get in Velious era so with an instant click illusion you won't have to worry about ever being in barbarian form. If you are really going for the long run you would pick barbarian for the throwing boulders and not care about the race looks. The only thing you really give up is being able to see through walls with a gnome.

[fred schnarf]

dont underestimate being able to look through walls, i do it for pvp in com its fucking amazing

enjoy your boulders shitbags

[lite]

the thread says Rogue experts, sup with all these replies?

[HippoNipple]

the thread says Rogue experts, sup with all these replies?

Thanks for the input, I'm sure it cleared things up for OP.

[Colgate]

barbarian obvious choice for min/maxers; throwing boulders are retardedly strong

if you can't stand being large, which is fixed with AoN or any of the many illusion masks, go dwarf

[Nirgon]

the thread says Rogue experts, sup with all these replies?

who r u

[Kergan]

the thread says Rogue experts, sup with all these replies?

Yeah just do what Lite does and have someone "give" you a rogue of whatever race when your main account is suspended.

No regrets that way.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Dwarf, aint even a choice.

Horns on da helm yawll

[FoxxHound]

I picked Barb, but that's mainly because I like her big boobs.

[Aesop]

Barbarians are superior because they come from the north.

[Master Roshi]

I remember caring about what race my stabber was going to be and then when I got my dark elf mask I just keep it perma illusion up...sort of pointless to take barb with BStab and Slam being on same timer, so i suggest Dorf for stats and MR, and you rock dark elf mask at all times for sexyness.

[Colgate]

throwing boulders

[silo32]

Boulders are great in PvP

But they also come with either some farmage (wich you can't do as a solo rogue) So you ll have to have another toon or rely on others to farm them and sell them for you.

So boulders are not an infinite option but a great one if you can sustain boulder quest.

While leveling my non Barb rogue.

I notice a constant state of "i wish my str was capped to barb status" I always look at my stats doing match on what my attack would be like min maxed, and str values on hits. Like rounding numbers on damage.

Its sick

But then I 3rd panel out and view my character, or log in first thing... and I I look so good visually I don't look like a pixalted mess of a Barbarian Rogue. They are hideious, boxy, easier to hit, get stuck in places. I already noticed if I was in Befallen I would have been so irritated being a Barb having to duck. Or in places in Freeport. I heard another Barb rogue tell me he hates solb running and having to duck parts of lava. Shrink pots fix this but of course at a cost.

So its either I wish I had your barb stats, slam wich you will never use, boulders, or the slight release of dopamine when you look at your fashion quested character.

I still might re roll.

If my math is right, 55 str over 200 the cap, is 50 attack that's 5-10 damage? or 50-100 if your 50+ that's if you hit for Max. Values Variables. I have never played a pure melle

[Stasis01]

Go Barbarian.