HighpassGuards faction

[Malrubius]

As a Troll SK, I'm trying to get my HighpassGuards faction at least to dubious.

Checking my log file, I've killed 390 gnolls of all varieties including the nameds quite a bit. Most of them I killed in HPH although a few (20-30 were in EK).

All of these kills gave +HighpassGuards faction. But I am still KoS.

I did obtain a wolfform, but that only got me to Dubious, so the Captain still wouldn't accept the 100+ gnoll scalps I have.

Are there any Troll SKs that have managed to get to non-KoS to the guards here? How many gnolls (or orcs?) did you have to kill?


Also, maybe a dev can chime in here...
-do the higher level gnolls give a bigger faction hit (i.e. a gnoll champion vs. a gnoll shaman)?
-do the nameds (Vexen and company) give a still bigger faction hit?

[hateshadow]

Checking your log file? Do you write it down every time you kill a gnoll or something?
But seriously, what program does that?

[Lazortag]

As a Troll SK, I'm trying to get my HighpassGuards faction at least to dubious.

Checking my log file, I've killed 390 gnolls of all varieties including the nameds quite a bit. Most of them I killed in HPH although a few (20-30 were in EK).

All of these kills gave +HighpassGuards faction. But I am still KoS.

I did obtain a wolfform, but that only got me to Dubious, so the Captain still wouldn't accept the 100+ gnoll scalps I have.

Are there any Troll SKs that have managed to get to non-KoS to the guards here? How many gnolls (or orcs?) did you have to kill?


Also, maybe a dev can chime in here...
-do the higher level gnolls give a bigger faction hit (i.e. a gnoll champion vs. a gnoll shaman)?
-do the nameds (Vexen and company) give a still bigger faction hit?

you can pay a Bard to help you out with this. Have him play the invis song while in a group with you if you're dubious. Open up the trade window - doing this will cause invis to drop, so wait for invis to come back. When it does, trade Captain Orben a scalp. Lather rinse repeat.

I guess you'll have to be in wolf form first to do this, but trust me, the scalp turn-ins give massive faction hits. 100+ scalps will cap your faction for sure.

[Dantes]

I went from threatening to dubious by handing in Left Goblin ears. But I believe that after I got wolf form I was apprehensive, so the guard took the ears from me.

[Malrubius]

you can pay a Bard to help you out with this. Have him play the invis song while in a group with you if you're dubious. Open up the trade window - doing this will cause invis to drop, so wait for invis to come back. When it does, trade Captain Orben a scalp. Lather rinse repeat.

I guess you'll have to be in wolf form first to do this, but trust me, the scalp turn-ins give massive faction hits. 100+ scalps will cap your faction for sure.

Awesome, that sounds like the way to go - thanks!

Checking your log file? Do you write it down every time you kill a gnoll or something? But seriously, what program does that?
I can't help but feeling I'm being trolled here. But just in case I'm not...

Type /log.

[girth]

You can feign death at the guys feet and turn in your quest items even if you're KOS. That's what I did. I'm an ogre and ally or warmly to the guards can't remember which.

[Malrubius]

You can feign death at the guys feet and turn in your quest items even if you're KOS. That's what I did. I'm an ogre and ally or warmly to the guards can't remember which.

Thanks, yeah, once I hit 30 I'll try that if I don't find a bard/druid to help in the meantime.

I guess too that it doesn't have to be a Bard song - a recast of Invis after the hand-in window should do it, although Invis would have to be recast a LOT for all these scalps.

[DekThai]

Don't mean to high jack your thread but are there is anyone hunting in HH? Oasis is getting old....very....old....for my toon. Last time I went, nobody there.

[Lazortag]

Don't mean to high jack your thread but are there is anyone hunting in HH? Oasis is getting old....very....old....for my toon. Last time I went, nobody there.

Highpass is horribly underrated, so you likely won't find many groups there.

[Mimn]

One of the biggest things that people often overlook doing faction work is to zone or /log to reset the levels. i.e. you cannot jump multiple faction levels without doing one or the other to 'reset' each level. When faction farming I always make a point to zone out every 50 or so kills for just this reason.

[Messianic]

One of the biggest things that people often overlook doing faction work is to zone or /log to reset the levels. i.e. you cannot jump multiple faction levels without doing one or the other to 'reset' each level. When faction farming I always make a point to zone out every 50 or so kills for just this reason.

Call me a skeptic, but this sounds like an old wives' tale.

[Uthgaard]

You don't have to zone to update faction changes.

[warrioman]

I think factions for quests is broken on this server, at 50 even if the captain is KoS he will still accepts scalps. Same with all quest mobs I've encountered - will even take your shit as they're beating on you.

[Mimn]

Thanks for clearing that up Uthgaard.

[Malrubius]

I think factions for quests is broken on this server, at 50 even if the captain is KoS he will still accepts scalps. Same with all quest mobs I've encountered - will even take your shit as they're beating on you.

Captain Orben will not accept scalps even at dubious. He says "I will not deal with one such as you!" or somesuch.

[warrioman]

Captain Orben will not accept scalps even at dubious. He says "I will not deal with one such as you!" or somesuch.

I was able to hand in scalps to him at scowls, ready to attack and bring my faction to warmly. I have not noticed any faction limitation on any quests I have done in fact.

[Malrubius]

Just fyi for others trying to grind this faction. It took about 500 kills of gnolls and orcs for my Troll SK to get to Threatening. At this point a wolfform was enough to take me to Indifferent for the gnoll scalp hand-ins.

The orc scalp hand-ins (and I believe most quests on this server) can be done at any faction, which may be a bug. The gnoll scalp quest was specifically fixed to require Indifferent in the past month or two.

Handing in all the scalps from this many kills made me max ally in HighPass and in East/West Freeport.


Now, the reason this takes longer than it did in classic (which I recall as taking about half as long) appears to be discussed in another post by rogean or nilbog (which I can't find atm!).

He said there that most mobs in the game just give a faction bump of 1. So to answer my earlier question, 'a gnoll champion' will give the same bump as 'a gnoll'. In classic, I believe that it would be something more like champion==3, brawler==2, plain ol' gnoll==1. This is only a guess though and I have no evidence :/

It may even be that most nameds here give only a faction bump of 1. So killing one of the Shralok brothers may give you the same bump (1) as killing a mere 'an orc acolyte' (1). In classic I would think (again a guess) that your basic named mob would be somewhere between 10 and 25.


It *was* mentioned in this other thread that there are some obvious exceptions for obvious major named mobs (and things like Guards I would think). There are some of these that have been specially coded to give a much bigger faction hit since they were well known to do so in Classic. These I think are 100 or much more. Certain Raid mobs are probably 500+.


Okay - speculation mode off - if someone finds the post referenced above, please link it. My search fu is terrible today.

[edt]

I heard the faction scale is off. Killing that many gnolls should at least get you to apprehensive I think.
Also, Ran Flamespinner is on the wrong faction. My troll SK is amiable to the guards, but Ran is threatening. He also will not attack the goblins. In classic Ran was on guard faction and would attack the goblins.

[Morsakin]

Sorry to resurrect an otherwise dead thread, but I was told that FD was recently changed so that it no longer works on quest turn-ins? I wanted to make sure before attempting so as to avoid the npc possibly eating my quest item. Any response would be greatly appreciated.