Switching to red, cleric question

[mtneer985]

I'm planning on switching from blue to red this weekend and want to roll a cleric. I'm torn between dwarf and dark elf. Does hide provide enough of an advantage to overcome the stats/faction of dwarf on red? Should I consider other races on red?

Thanks, look forward to starting on red.

[Samsung]

I'm planning on switching from blue to red this weekend and want to roll a cleric. I'm torn between dwarf and dark elf. Does hide provide enough of an advantage to overcome the stats/faction of dwarf on red? Should I consider other races on red?

Thanks, look forward to starting on red.

Go gnome and make brell your deity.

[Thyrm]

dark elf sexier.

halfling gets sneak and hide and exp bonus, but then you're a halfling.

[LostCause]

dat barrel roll doe

one eyed willie.

[iiNGloriouS]

dat barrel roll doe

one eyed willie.

Depends on if you plan on rolling into the endgame. PD robe is nice, but highly sought after item by every class that can use it.

Dwarves for barrel roll. Any robewearing race for robe.

[deadlycupcakez]

Erudite or high elf clear choice

[Samsung]

Gnomes can see through walls, are very small ( great for Pvp) can wear dwarf cult armor ( boots are bis), can wear robe of the azure sky + can tinker. No other race benefits better than a gnome for Pvp.

[Thyrm]

dwarves barrel roll def bring them into consideration, plus they are mini ogres for str/sta...

but I'd still go DE or halfling for a cleric.

[Nirgon]

Saw a gnome cleric in full bronze with disease cloud neck pulling/tanking groups for a ragebringer rogue

Pencil'd that in under "goog stuff"

[Colgate]

depends on era really

classic? dark elf
kunark? doesn't really matter
velious? high elf

[mtneer985]

Thanks for all the info, makes the decision tougher. I was also recommended a human inny cleric because of paineel quests and snare neck.

[fred schnarf]

gnome clr best clr

humans are lame

[Thyrm]

there's absolutely no reason to make a high elf anything, unless you're a fire giant.

[HippoNipple]

there's absolutely no reason to make a high elf anything, unless you're a fire giant.

PoG

[Samhain]

I'm planning on switching from blue to red this weekend and want to roll a cleric. I'm torn between dwarf and dark elf. Does hide provide enough of an advantage to overcome the stats/faction of dwarf on red? Should I consider other races on red?

Thanks, look forward to starting on red.

I am partial to Dwarf because I too made this choice.

Gnome: Short = good for pvp and can see through walls. Bertox deity provides a click Disease Cloud which can make your group immune to charm unless cured. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky). Arguably the best for pure pvp considerations.

Dwarf: Short but not as short for pvp. Best starting stats for cleric. Dwarven cultural armor (http://wiki.project1999.com/Cultural_Tradeskills:_Dwarf) gives +wis/+sta/+mr/+fr in every slot. Another good pvp choice for stacking MR.

Halfling: Sneak/Hide and exp bonus. Getting groups and serverwide exp bonus make leveling easy so the latter should not be a consideration.

Dark Elf: Hide is not going to be consistent. It is only a marginal ability. You're also going to have strength problems carrying plate early on. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky)

High Elf: Good wisdom but like DE will have strength problems. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky).

Human: Balanced stats. No advantages. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky).

Erudite: Bad stats. No advantages. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky).

[Samhain]

PoG

I recall on Live, as a Dwarf warrior worshipping Brell, I came into PoG initially dubious. But like all things players swear to it will be up to dev's discretion.

[mtneer985]

Thanks for all the information. I think I'm going to go dwarf since I'll be pretty casual and the cultural armor would probably be the best I'll be able to get.

[mtneer985]

I look forward to starting on red and hope for a more group oriented experience with the bonus. On blue it feels like everyone in the zone is soloing.

[Kabobtik]

been playing a cleric the last day and a half, solo'd the whole time, no one around to group. Hope this is not your exp on red. GL in your venture

[HippoNipple]

You will need to solo until you can make your way to somewhere like CB or Unrest.

[Troubled]

I am partial to Dwarf because I too made this choice.

Gnome: Short = good for pvp and can see through walls. Bertox deity provides a click Disease Cloud which can make your group immune to charm unless cured. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky). Arguably the best for pure pvp considerations.

Dwarf: Short but not as short for pvp. Best starting stats for cleric. Dwarven cultural armor (http://wiki.project1999.com/Cultural_Tradeskills:_Dwarf) gives +wis/+sta/+mr/+fr in every slot. Another good pvp choice for stacking MR.

Halfling: Sneak/Hide and exp bonus. Getting groups and serverwide exp bonus make leveling easy so the latter should not be a consideration.

Dark Elf: Hide is not going to be consistent. It is only a marginal ability. You're also going to have strength problems carrying plate early on. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky)

High Elf: Good wisdom but like DE will have strength problems. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky).

Human: Balanced stats. No advantages. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky).

Erudite: Bad stats. No advantages. Can wear Robe of Azure Sky (http://wiki.project1999.com/Robe_of_the_Azure_Sky).

Erudite: No advantages? How about ridiculous looking plate gear?

[khanable]

hum/eru get http://wiki.project1999.com/Terror_Forged_Mask

[maerilith]

Hide is worthless, you want more base wis so you can stack better gear in other slots. While wis gear is ez to get, it's harder to find good wis gear with any other good stats.

[Vega]

hum/eru get http://wiki.project1999.com/Terror_Forged_Mask

Even better for red:
http://wiki.project1999.com/Fright_Forged_Helm

[Samhain]

hum/eru get http://wiki.project1999.com/Terror_Forged_Mask

Yes, but clerics can already cast fear, fear isn't usable pvp, and swapping the neck out for much better ones just to cast the spell takes about as much time as swapping spell slots.

[Nirgon]

fear pet in dungeon

profit

[RIP The Jacka]

Dwarf? No robe, no way. For PvP server these are must haves. Gnome pro for being small and harder to target in bigger PvP fights. Humans pro for being a little tankier and str.

Saw a gnome cleric in full bronze with disease cloud neck pulling/tanking groups for a ragebringer rogue

Pencil'd that in under "goog stuff"

http://wiki.project1999.com/Initiate_Symbol_of_Bertoxxulous

Human/Gnome + Bertoxx


Even better for red:
http://wiki.project1999.com/Fright_Forged_Helm

Human/Eru

[Gustoo]

Can't lose rolling cleric unless you are doing it for killshots.

It's a manly class.

[BardPop]

Hide is worthless, you want more base wis so you can stack better gear in other slots. While wis gear is ez to get, it's harder to find good wis gear with any other good stats.
Nah this guys an idiot, the truth is you can hide during pvp and it'll drop target off them and most often you can avoid death, saves you trouble

[RIP The Jacka]

Nah this guys an idiot, the truth is you can hide during pvp and it'll drop target off them and most often you can avoid death, saves you trouble

70% of characters have see invis, worn see invis, bracer of hidden < 50

99% have it at 50+

hide very rarely useful, that's why DE/HFL were good race choices in classic era (less see invis gear)

depends on era really

classic? dark elf
kunark? doesn't really matter
velious? high elf

[Bodybagger]

hum/eru get http://wiki.project1999.com/Terror_Forged_Mask

Even better for red:
http://wiki.project1999.com/Fright_Forged_Helm

http://wiki.project1999.com/Dread_Forged_Shield

The scary forged armor stuff is all kick ass, and no drop to boot, for RZ legitimacy (not that it matters here)

Honestly makes human/eru very attractive, and one of the best choices, were item loot in game.

Gnome hard to resist with size, clicky disease loud neck for breaking CC and also for tanking.... it's a silly trick but it works wonders. Not sure it makes it worth it to be gnome or not... you'll end up with a tiny sprinkler... everyone knows Erudite clerics have the biggest sprinklers, though humans are close and have more strength to wield their sprinklers.

[Sektor]

clicky disease cloud click is nice and saves buff slots, but i'd rather have the dwarven cult gear

[RIP The Jacka]

clicky disease cloud click is nice and saves buff slots, but i'd rather have the dwarven cult gear

Good for twinking pre velious. That's it. Hardly a reason to make choice for.

Also, combine 10x more expensive now isn't it? Nobody bothers anymore. Not worth.

[Bodybagger]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Initiate_Symbol_of_Cazic_Thule

2s clicky undead fear is legit too though... just less useful pvp. Would never pick dwarf over gnome... Gnome or hum/eru. Stats are mostly for show, save for SV for pvp... disease cloud is a true irreplaceable advantage for a cleric... those forged pieces have some nice sv magic and clickies are always rad. Plus unique, no drop armor with badass names = massive epeen on inspect, when someone has to ask for stats on item, you feel like Chuck Norris and you know it. Shit's classic.

Dwarves cultural overated. Paineel is awesome... I'd make an Erudite Cleric if I didn't make a gnome cleric...

[mtneer985]

So I'm leaning towards human now for these quest items. Which neck clicky is better because I can do inny or CT for either one?

[RIP The Jacka]

So I'm leaning towards human now for these quest items. Which neck clicky is better because I can do inny or CT for either one?

ive got a human inny cleric, snare neck is shiny at best, -1 bank slot at end game. sure it has limited use in OOM situations. The deadeye helmet is the best reason for picking human, it's self-only see invis, as opposed to getting bracer of hidden which requires self target

If i could change, id change to gnome bertoxx for dis cloud - mez aint no fun

ultimately pick what ever u wanna look at and be happy with :D human in armor looks cool

no ragrats

[mtneer985]

So disease cloud neck > snare neck clicky? Does a bertox human get paineel quested armor and neck ? Would I be facing faction issues everywhere?

[RIP The Jacka]

So disease cloud neck > snare neck clicky? Does a bertox human get paineel quested armor and neck ? Would I be facing faction issues everywhere?

dis neck > snare neck - YES

*Just looked at the dis neck again, yes it's human usable, therefore you can Human Bertox and get Dis Neck + Deadeye Helm

Win Win if you wanna human with badass clickies

Gnome Bertox if you want neck only and be small in end-game PvP

Not sure about the rest of the armor(s)

[mtneer985]

Thanks for all the input, I believe I'm going to do human bertox, I'm not sure what kind of faction work will be required, but it seems win/win on gear. I look forward to starting him this wknd.

[Samsung]

Good for twinking pre velious. That's it. Hardly a reason to make choice for.

Also, combine 10x more expensive now isn't it? Nobody bothers anymore. Not worth.

sorry buff slots i meant to say bag slots, now i'm kind of regretting going brell lol.

[Samsung]

Thanks for all the input, I believe I'm going to do human bertox, I'm not sure what kind of faction work will be required, but it seems win/win on gear. I look forward to starting him this wknd.

go gnome bertox pal trust me. Humans are easier to target and gnomes can see through walls.

[Kergan]

I made my SK a dark elf because I like their velious plate look.

I like to roleplay so much

[RIP The Jacka]

Thanks for all the input, I believe I'm going to do human bertox, I'm not sure what kind of faction work will be required, but it seems win/win on gear. I look forward to starting him this wknd.

glad 2 have u here

pm if u want more pro tips i gotchu bb

[Lictor]

Can a bertoxx human do the paineel cazic thule helm/mask/shield quests?

[Wrench]

Can a bertoxx human do the paineel cazic thule helm/mask/shield quests?

if you dont mind butcherin erudin faction its not an issue

[Kergan]

I don't know why anyone would make a character based on Kunark gear at this point.

[RIP The Jacka]

I don't know why anyone would make a character based on Kunark gear at this point.

@cLickies

Or

@Cultural

?

[Gustoo]

I was going to make a big post in this thread but I decided not to give away a lot of secrets. For clerics there is no huge racial advantage choice like with ogre playable classes or necros or monks.

[Kergan]

@cLickies

Or

@Cultural

?

Meh, the clickies have some value I guess but not nearly as much as people make it out to be. Cultural is the dumbest reason because not only will it be garbage in a few months but nobody even makes it now because of the gem cost.

[SHOWITME]

make dwarf, master race. dont listen to all these non-clerics, they dont know what they are talking about.

also, cultural quests is dumb, time consuming and not worth it. dwarf plate cultural is great if u can find someone who can make it. a good pal of mine used to be able to craft it, but i dont know if he is still around

[Ereni]

Meh, the clickies have some value I guess but not nearly as much as people make it out to be. Cultural is the dumbest reason because not only will it be garbage in a few months but nobody even makes it now because of the gem cost.

Agreed.

If you can afford cultural armor at the start then starting stats don't really matter because you'll be able to spend money on an entire set of gear.

If I wanted to be picky I could only make a small comment on racial abilities but that is only for pve purposes. What's important is to play what you are fond of looking at because you'll be looking at your character the most (unless you play in 1st person lolz). Sure different resists/stats/gear may help out in the very beginning, but once your character has gained some ground in the world, the extra bit of strength (or insert whatever else) reasoning becomes lost.

[Lictor]

I was going to make a big post in this thread but I decided not to give away a lot of secrets. For clerics there is no huge racial advantage choice like with ogre playable classes or necros or monks.

What sweet infoz do you hold?

[Duckwalk]

What sweet infoz do you hold?

Battle roll OP. Shhhh don't tell.

PoG armor supposed to be goog in Velious?

[Kergan]

http://wiki.project1999.com/The_Four_Idols

[Lictor]

Clearly have to be female high elf for that sweet velious bracer, as high elf male plate looks retarded.

[keyz]

Cleric rankings:

1. Gnome Bertox for size and disease clicky dot. Wall sight. Robe.
2. Gnome Brell for size and cultural--not a good deity if new on red unless transferring massive amounts of blue plat. Wall sight. Robe.
3. Halfling--size and sneak secondarily to help in dungeon pvp and pve. No robe.
4. Human Bertox for disease clicky dot. Robe. See invis helm, fear mask.
5. Dwarf Brell for cultural armor with wis and MR but as with gnome cost prohibitive. Medium size. No robe.
6. Human/Erudite evil--Bertox or Inny gives you access to see invis clicky without too much faction work on human. Might be possible to faction on a good deity, but no point that I know of. Snare necklace is a joke and not worth it. Fear mask situational--can fear pets in dungeons without spell swapping. Quested shield is ok if 1st red char, but no long term benefit. Robe.
7. High Elf Tunare ranked near the bottom until Velious where clicky root and quested PoG items will move this ranking up. Robe.
8. Dark Elf--can't think of anything good except hide which might get you out of a jam occasionally before you can afford invis pots. Robe.

Gnome overshadows all clerics on pvp server due to size since you can hide easier and won't be noticed as soon as other clerics. Sure gnome has worse stats, but avoiding damage is worth more than better stats. Bertox best deity so you can dot yourself with the necklace to stop mezzes, at least until you run into an enc with cure shield. Also will save some money, inventory room, and time on resupply runs buying crimson pots.

See invis right click helm is nice short to mid term for human and erudite clerics when starting off new and you don't have the money for boh, but eventually you will get one so long term benefit is negligible.

[Kergan]

I got no problem going gnome but its not like shrink and crimson pots cost that much nor will you go through so many you're spending half the time restocking. You're gonna have to carry a couple of crim pots anyway since the disease cloud clicky has a 4 second casting time.

And the biggest advantage to gnomes (being able to see through walls ducking/sitting) wasn't mentioned.

For items, this wiki page is pretty well done:

http://wiki.project1999.com/Deity_Specific_Items

[keyz]

Added wall sight.

While it's true that every race can shrink, gnome is always shrunk for every pvp encounter. Yes you will want the instant cast crimson pots, but necklace is going to save you pots and you can start every fight with a dot on you, no wasting or guessing if you need one or not.

If you don't mind spending the money and keeping plenty of pots in your bags, sure go dwarf brell or HE tunare.

[Vega]

See invis right click helm is nice short to mid term for human and erudite clerics when starting off new and you don't have the money for boh, but eventually you will get one so long term benefit is negligible.

Is that true though? I honestly don't have great insight, so really just asking. But the helm doesn't require a target. Wouldn't it be easier to use as an extra instant click junk buff?

[RIP The Jacka]

no, all human/erud clerics end game use helm > boh

helm is 100x > boh for the simple fact that its self-only (no self target required) and is basically free versus 10k

Keyz has a great informative post, other than that comment regarding the Deadeye helm.

[crossplay]

helm is 100x > boh for the simple fact that its self-only (no self target required) and is basically free versus 10k

clickable from inventory?

[Edgat]

clickable from inventory?

I think its worn? maybe its a clicky either way short race > see invis item since BoH is a thing

[keyz]

Helm and boh have to be equipped to be clicked so you are giving up a strong slot if you chose to wear helm over a t crown, where bracers aren't nearly as good of a slot. No target self clicky is pretty nice though.

[Lictor]

Thanks for the info, clr next red toon once I can farm up some gear on the red Mage

[mtneer985]

Finally got him rolled, ended up dwarf; name is Aodh, lvl 5

[Kastro]

Played haling cleric.. hide was very useful in pvp.. and also when duo ing.. sk tank, cleric hide, pop out CH.. hide again.. only bad thing about haling was low charisma, so sooth and calm failed alot.. my vote would be dark elf or gnome