RMT Again

[Rogean]

Today during this quick maintenance we are banning approximately 440 Accounts for RMT Activity. This is the result of work tracking down multiple major resellers, their buyers, and suppliers.

I can't believe that I have to keep telling everyone to stop doing this. It's the same websites that people are using too. These people don't care if you get banned. They make their money and laugh about it.

And to address the extra special needs tinfoil hatters, would I be making announcements like this telling everyone NOT TO DO IT if the staff were involved? Think about it.

http://i.imgur.com/16Avp5A.jpg

If you were banned and you truly think you are innocent please make a post in the Petition forum. Those who participated or helped their friends facilitate this activity know who they are, please don't waste our time. You are welcome to make new accounts, but please follow the rules this time.

[Heebo]

pras

[dontbanpls]

Great work!

[Glenzig]

Good job staff. Thank you for keeping both boxes clean.

[Ando]

Best news I've heard all day.

[kunarking]

the ban hammer is upon us

[Giovanni]

nice!

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Pras. Hopefully this knocks out the guy that stripped my account.

[dis_mornin]

makes me sick

[qwerty]

SIKE- VELIOUS INCOMING

[Anichek]

Outstanding!

[captnamazing]

HAHAHAHHAA FUCK YEEAAAA

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Pras Emperor Rogean, Lady Angel Nilberg and King Sirken for all their hard works.

Pras the rest of the dev/guide/gm staff as well, Haynar, Aussie, Eunomia etc etc.

Love you guys.

[Pep]

<3 you devs

[Ishbu]

Never been happier to be forced to take a game break :)

[Daldaen]

Name and Shame. Like classic EQ did.

[Nikkanu]

Pras! Name and shame!

[qwerty]

farewell, again, sector LOL

[kunarking]

Name and Shame. Like classic EQ did.

agreed these dirty rotten scoundrels! off with their heads!

[Duckwalk]

Should really name and shame.

Regardless, much pras

[Detoxx]

Thanks for the hard work keeping these people off the server! Please repop mobs to sundays again!!

[jarlerop]

how long do these short maintenances usually last?

[rafaone]

/clap

[Edgat]

Pras! Name and shame!

pras

[Lyrith]

Death to the terrible RMT peoples!

[Lytec]

agree name and shame !

[Ladytron]

thank goodness

[Edgat]

farewell, again, sector LOL

can't wait for sektorxyzxyz

[botrainer]

Disallow those who get busted from...creating new accounts!

IP ban, account ban. Everything why allow them back? Theres a reason these people have enough muster to build up plat to even sell.

[jdixon485]

Post 440 name list +2
Repops +3

[Crypto]

As someone who is extremely anti-cheat and getting ready to start playing p1999, this is a very encouraging thing to see. Great work!

[Swish]

pras - clean whistles only on these boxes

[Turp]

bye tmo

0 TMO was banned.
Better check them new class R guilds farming gear an saling it.

[Crypto]

Disallow those who get busted...creating new accounts dont help our server health.

IP ban, account ban. Everything why allow them back? Theres a reason these people have enough muster to build up plat to even sell.

In a world where most of us have dynamic IP addresses which are shuffled between users on a regular basis by ISPs, this (IP ban) would not be smart.

Edit: Typo.

[heartbrand]

0 TMO was banned.
Better check them new class R guilds farming gear an saling it.

got prof?

[drktmplr12]

pixel Death to the terrible RMT peoples!

ftfy

[Sage Truthbearer]

Awesome work, Rogean. Down with the RMTing scum!

[Rythm]

pras + name and shame + recruit/contest

[fastboy21]

where are all the "someone help me...my friend gave me that fungi tunic" threads?

[Safon]

Pras

[Sirken]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4cf07d9b98e7252ac5a3b77776b5733a/tumblr_mhmrq0Erkf1rsz72jo4_250.gif

[Oleris]

RIP

[Drakaris]

Meh, anyone that choses to pay a sketchy 3rd party provider for plat instead of clicking the 'Donate Now' button and actually playing to become a pillar of the community by making friends and levelling up with new people is an absolute idiot.

Just saying...

[chaser95]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4cf07d9b98e7252ac5a3b77776b5733a/tumblr_mhmrq0Erkf1rsz72jo4_250.gif



love it

[Oleris]

What was the spread between guilds?

[Ricky Bobby]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/3885763/ricky-bobby-o.gif

[loramin]

Go staff, thanks for keeping it clean!

Disallow those who get busted from...creating new accounts!

IP ban, account ban. Everything why allow them back? Theres a reason these people have enough muster to build up plat to even sell.

In case you haven't noticed, Red and Blue (perhaps Red a bit more ;)) are filled with very ... fallible players. When those players screw up the (relatively) forgiving ban policy gives them a chance to act better next time. Strangely enough, it often works (Sektor's still here, right?), so why be against reforming people who screw up?

Now if someone gets busted for RMT twice ... hanging's not good enough!

[godspeed]

The people have spoken! Name Shame it up.. and I agree with the IP bans.. obviously they don't give 2 sh*tz about your rules... time to cut them off!

[Glenzig]

Go staff, thanks for keeping it clean!



In case you haven't noticed, Red and Blue (perhaps Red a bit more ;)) are filled with very ... fallible players. When those players screw up the (relatively) forgiving ban policy gives them a chance to act better next time. Strangely enough, it often works (Sektor's still here, right?), so why be against reforming people who screw up?

Now if someone gets busted for RMT twice ... hanging's not good enough!

Wait! Are you saying that Sektorz has been reformed? More like his guild will have to reform after the AoE ban hits them.

[Argh]

These people are idiots... they're savages.

[Thulack]

Disallow those who get busted from...creating new accounts!

IP ban, account ban. Everything why allow them back? Theres a reason these people have enough muster to build up plat to even sell.

Sadly its impossible to ban someone from playing here. You can change your IP easily and for the hardcores that get banned they could just get a new computer so new mac addy.

[Kafter]

Can we get some names/guilds/stats- something. Put these people on blast!

[girth]

Sadly its impossible to ban someone from playing here. You can change your IP easily and for the hardcores that get banned they could just get a new computer so new mac addy.

lol you don't need a new computer to change your mac address

[RedFoxx]

I don't understand how I got banned so where do i speak to someone about this? I have looked all over and I do not seem to understand.

[Ele]

F5 F5 F5

[khanable]

pras

[Absolution]

lol pras

[Lyrith]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/4cf07d9b98e7252ac5a3b77776b5733a/tumblr_mhmrq0Erkf1rsz72jo4_250.gif

OMFG, SIRKEN I LOVE THIS GIF!!! PLEASE GM MY BABIES!

[botrainer]

gotta say it .. this is what u get if you force legit players off and let these obvious high level obsessives ruin the box

Best way to stop those "Obvious high level Obsessives" players is to change the spawn system, 3 days respawn with a 4 and half day window(s), 24/7 364 days mobs always in window, force guilds to choice the higher valued targets to watch, impossible to have trackers every hour of every day. Trust me :)

[Ele]

gotta say it .. this is what u get if you force legit players off and let these obvious high level obsessives ruin the box

so high level obsessives force people to pay other people real life money to buy dragon loots?

[Pringles]

F5 F5 F5

Pressing F5 harder than thou!

[jarshale]

Where da names at?

[Ele]

Can we pay RL money to get the names? Is that considered RMT?

[Stackz89]

I don't even RMT and got banned.... how does that work?

[Pringles]

RMT Again


http://makeameme.org/media/created/its-poop-again.jpg

[Pringles]

I don't even RMT and got banned.... how does that work?

Post in RnF for best results.

[zohar77]

If you know the people who make a living selling PP/Gear/Accounts why don't you just IP ban them?

[Ravager]

Post in RnF for best results.

lol

[Kaidian]

I also got banned and have never used RMT. Not now and not back in the day. As someone else stated, can't stand people that cheat the game, just to get ahead. How the hell that happened, I'll never know. Guarantee I'll never help anyone with plat transfers between toons again. So much for being a decent person and helping people that need it.

[Doil_Boil]

YES!! I was just saying earlier that I was shocked by how many obvious RMT characters there were on the server, particularly in a newly created lower level guild.

Thanks to the staff for keeping the server squeaky.

[justinedwardperry]

Haha Pringles I love the Poop Joke!

[typhonset]

Most Excellent... hit's the donate button.

[Trazic]

YES!! I was just saying earlier that I was shocked by how many obvious RMT characters there were on the server, particularly in a newly created lower level guild.

Thanks to the staff for keeping the server squeaky.

If you are talking about Dark Winter there is nothing wrong with having a twinked alt in a low level guild. I have a fungi tunic'ed shaman in that guild doesn't have anything to do with RMT.

I've been playing on this server for almost 3 years and have 3 50+ characters. I can't have a twink in Dark Winter? I just like having people to talk and group with while I level.

[botrainer]

Here is something people should start doing. Only Xfer for people you know or close guildies you know. Also keep an eye out for what could be suspected RMTing toons (level 1 unguilded epiced, fungi geared toons) asking for Xfers help. If you do these things you should avoid the ban hammer, sadly when all is said and DONE, only about 100 maybe 50 bans will hold, considering tmo, ib, bda, taken will get all their tracking toons back, half the people ban are going to get there toons back due to not enough proof of rmt or seriously innocent people caught up helping with Xfers

I sure do hope more then 400 bans hold, even if its 401 bans hold 19 released, Tracker toons should be taken down too so guilds know they cant allow this and the leadership of each guild has to keep tabs on whats going where and who is doing what.

[Rogean]

I came this close to disbanding Dark Winter. Never before have I seen so many dirty whistles.

[Rogean]

I find it funny that one of the major resellers that just got all of his customers banned is a moderator over at redg*****.com and they're rapidly deleting all threads about it.

[Oleris]

Does this mean velious is delayed again :(

[Trazic]

dirty whistles.

What does this even mean? I googled and it's not helping. If you just mean bad people or douches, that is shocking considering how nice they seem on the surface. Always giving away noob gear to the new players there and helping each other out.

[Sirken]

Does this mean velious is delayed again :(

Devs dont work on RMT

[labmonkey42]

GODDAMN BREWERY (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

[botrainer]

What does this even mean? I googled and it's not helping. If you just mean bad people or douches, that is shocking considering how nice they seem on the surface. Always giving away noob gear to the new players there and helping each other out.

Great cover giving away 400pp or less items while rmting 1000M K Pp on the side has to be good! waitttttt

[Doil_Boil]

If you are talking about Dark Winter there is nothing wrong with having a twinked alt in a low level guild. I have a fungi tunic'ed shaman in that guild doesn't have anything to do with RMT.

I've been playing on this server for almost 3 years and have 3 50+ characters. I can't have a twink in Dark Winter? I just like having people to talk and group with while I level.

Rogean: "I came this close to disbanding Dark Winter. Never before have I seen so many dirty whistles. "

Yup, nothing at all wrong there.

[Rogean]

Sorry for those still waiting on petitions but I'm going to have to look at them in the morning. I've been up for 24 hours at this point.

One of the other GM's might be able to get to it, if not it could be 12 to 36 hours.

[Haynar]

Devs dont work on RMT

I rarely know the bans are even going to happen.

H

[Trazic]

Rogean: "I came this close to disbanding Dark Winter. Never before have I seen so many dirty whistles. "

Yup, nothing at all wrong there.


I mean... I can only speak for myself. I don't really know them that well just joined randomly when I grouped with them in MM the other day. But what I can say is that it is possible to have a low level twink that isn't in a raiding guild.

So don't go persecuting people with no evidence. In any case I trust that Rogean knows what he is doing when he bans people.

[Drakaris]

Sorry for those still waiting on petitions but I'm going to have to look at them in the morning. I've been up for 24 hours at this point.

One of the other GM's might be able to get to it, if not it could be 12 to 36 hours.

Get some sleep dude, sad that you have to work your ass off cleaning up things people should know better about.

[feanan]

Interesting.

Derubael suddenly "retires" without a farewell, and a few days later the RMT bans start.

hmmmmm. GM kingpin busted?

Devs cleaning house due to sony selling everquest?

Stay tuned!

[jdthomas]

In hindsight, I'm guessing someone knew this was coming. I'm new to the server, totally unknown, but today before the server down, I got a tell asking me to hold so he could transfer. I just assumed that it was just mistaken identity, so I just said no. After the server up sure enough that person was gone, and they were in the aforementioned guild. So word maybe got out ahead of the shutdown. If not, then just odd timing.

[Vmonk85]

Interesting.

Derubael suddenly "retires" without a farewell, and a few days later the RMT bans start.

hmmmmm. GM kingpin busted?

Devs cleaning house due to sony selling everquest?

Stay tuned!

Ban Hammer happens Tax Season when the "kingpin's" taxes are available. Everything has to be itemized and named, so info is probably very easy to obtain.

Not rocket science.

[Nimmanu]

I say this respectfully. It is very upsetting that Dark Winter is being globally demonized.

Do you believe that people would admit to RMTing? If we asked, "Oh, and before we invite, have you ever bought in game money with rl money?" do you think they'll say "yeah!" if they have?

Being in the guild, I want to say that there are MANY wonderful people in it. And I certainly count myself as one of them. I LOVE to help newbies and I often sit and buff others. I love the guild. It's the first place I've felt that people "get" my jokes. We group together often, and we talk all the time.

Today we went crawling through Permafrost and then killed ourselves a few times in SolA... because my guildies weren't scared to explore.

I've found DW to be a haven of old-school style EQ manners, good people, and very giving friends. They get my humor (or tolerate it), and we're kind to each other and others. So many are "old" EQers from "back in the day" and play with strategy and with the way they treat each other in groups. So refreshing!

We have never once knowingly invited anyone who RMTs, KSs, deliberately trains, or is otherwise a dink or a jack***. Yes, we've recruited like crazy. Poor Healover and poor Dibbons are always running about. I have great sympathy for them, lol.

But at the end of the day, it is very hurtful for someone like me, and so many in the guild, to be painted with a loaded brush.

I'm upset that these people did this. It destroys the integrity of the game, and I'm ashamed they were wearing our tag when they did it. But I'm furious with THEM, not with our wonderful guild.

Please reconsider slathering us all as cheaters and jerks. We aren't! There are tons of great people here. We welcome more. We have a zero tolerance outlook on something like this, and if we find out, we keep a list... you're NEVER welcome back. We don't care if you're sorry. Not good enough.

That's all I have to say.

Thank you,

Wyldwind
Nimmian
Amris

[Doil_Boil]

I mean... I can only speak for myself. I don't really know them that well just joined randomly when I grouped with them in MM the other day. But what I can say is that it is possible to have a low level twink that isn't in a raiding guild.

So don't go persecuting people with no evidence. In any case I trust that Rogean knows what he is doing when he bans people.

I'm not persecuting anyone or making any assumptions about any guilds. However, there are ways of telling RMTers from regular twinks. When a cleric has horrible gear in just about every spot and an epic, it isn't that hard to figure out.

That said, I've grouped with many members of DW in the past couple weeks and as a whole they've been very decent folks. Just an unusual number of obvious RMT. No need for me to sugarcoat that, it's been confirmed by the guy who runs the server.

[Nuggie]

I'm not persecuting anyone or making any assumptions about any guilds. However, there are ways of telling RMTers from regular twinks. When a cleric has horrible gear in just about every spot and an epic, it isn't that hard to figure out.

That said, I've grouped with many members of DW in the past couple weeks and as a whole they've been very decent folks. Just an unusual number of obvious RMT. No need for me to sugarcoat that, it's been confirmed by the guy who runs the server.

You just described my cleric a year ago. wasn't rmt'd. just bought when prices on epic mq's were low. bad logic is bad.

[Nimmanu]

I'm not persecuting anyone or making any assumptions about any guilds. However, there are ways of telling RMTers from regular twinks. When a cleric has horrible gear in just about every spot and an epic, it isn't that hard to figure out.

That said, I've grouped with many members of DW in the past couple weeks and as a whole they've been very decent folks. Just an unusual number of obvious RMT. No need for me to sugarcoat that, it's been confirmed by the guy who runs the server.

We've recruited a very large number of people. If they're not sporting an epic when we invite them, and we don't spend more time with them, then they won't get caught by us. When you invite 80 people, the chances are far greater that some of them will be jerks. But we do TRY to chat with them before invites.

It's a numbers thing. And honestly? This sort of thing never occurred to me. It's old school EQ... it's hard to imagine cheaters CARING to play it, lol. I mean, part of the charm of old EQ is that it's slow to play, requires patience and strategy, etc. etc.

PLEASE, please, please, if you see someone you suspect is one of these people, tell Healover or Dibbons or myself. We don't tolerate this knowingly, let me assure you!!



On the subject of giveaways. I feel really slightly amused as well as irritated by that. We have giveaways of things like a savant's cap. A sarnak emblazoned tabard... come on, people. This is newbie junk easily acquired. To a level 20 person, that may be junk, but to a lvl 2, it's EPIC. Let's not blow this out of proportion. A sarnak tabard isn't a fungi tunic and a fine steel weapon isn't an FBSS.

I was given a book of Obulus by a random stranger. He was SO pleased and grateful that I was remembering the newbies in the far land of everfrost (so often forgotten by high level buffers), that he just GAVE it to me. That's the way old EQ was. THAT is what I remember about EQ. That spirit of kindness and sharing and giving is my strongest memory and impression of EQ in the early years. Because I was given this tremendous (TO ME) gift doesn't mean either me or that wonderful person has anything at all to do with RMT. I assure you that I don't. It offends and outrages me.

So please lets not use kindness and generosity of "midrange junk" gifting to newbies as an excuse to demonize everyone in the guild. Because I gave someone some blackened iron doesn't make me an evil person. I say it makes me the opposite. But that's just me.

[Doil_Boil]

Oh my! I just made a (correct) observation.. I'm sorry if I upset anyone.

Respectfully withdraw from further conversation.

[Nimmanu]

I apologize if I sound upset. I'm simply standing up for my guild, which I feel very attached to. I care about it, and it's hurtful to see a GM blanket paint it in what seems a casual and uncaring manner.

Those of us good, decent, caring people were painted by that brush. I feel awful! My stomach is twisted in knots thanks to the people who did that while wearing our tag. It's a painful and unpleasant feeling to be exposed to drama and unfair accusations due to horrible behavior by people you can't control.

I'm proud to wear the tag I do, and I want to remain so. My answer to that is to stand up for the guild I feel very good about being part of (and no dirtbags can change that!!). This guild belongs to the good ones in it, not those others.

[Jaxon]

From another board which shall remain nameless:
I myself have managed to escape unscathed. The majority of my customers who only utilize my services and follow my recommended security procedures also escaped. As far as I can tell none of my methods have gotten anybody banned. So as of now, I am still in the game. What stock I had/have is already almost depleted as it was purchased following the wave buy some who had lost and some were purchasing for first time.

Yes that's right. In less than four hours after the bans people were just so desperate for their RMT fix that they decided to descend on this plat seller's store en masse and completely empty him out.

These tears are delicious. Thanks for all your hard work, Rogean.

[Thulack]

From another board which shall remain nameless:


Yes that's right. In less than four hours after the bans people were just so desperate for their RMT fix that they decided to descend on this plat seller's store en masse and completely empty him out.

These tears are delicious. Thanks for all your hard work, Rogean.

Lol to that guy that thinks the newb ranting in RnF about being scammed is the reason this all went down. Some people are just morons.

[Pokesan]

From another board which shall remain nameless:


Yes that's right. In less than four hours after the bans people were just so desperate for their RMT fix that they decided to descend on this plat seller's store en masse and completely empty him out.

These tears are delicious. Thanks for all your hard work, Rogean.

this is great

[Turp]

it's hurtful to see a GM blanket paint Dark Winter. We have good members.
I'm proud to wear the tag I do, and I want to remain so. This guild belongs to the good ones in it, not those others.

Rogean confirm the # please.
but wasn't it like 93% of that guild was RMT.
So blanket painted that one pretty spot on.
93% bad 7% good and Nimmanu says paint it good.

Great call Doil Boil. You was spot on.

If you don't want to be known as one of the biggest RMT guild. I'd rename.
Currently you are <RMT Winter>

[Rika]

http://makeameme.org/media/created/its-poop-again.jpg


This made my Evening/Morning

[Nimmanu]

Rogean confirm the # please.
but wasn't it like 93% of that guild was RMT.
So blanket painted that one pretty spot on.
93% bad 7% good and Nimmanu says paint it good.

Great call Doil Boil. You was spot on.

If you don't want to be known as one of the biggest RMT guild. I'd rename.
Currently you are <RMT Winter>

Anyone with a lick of sense would know that if it were anywhere near 93%, he would have disbanded us. As we DW people know, it wasn't remotely close to that. We're still chatting away in guild chat like mad. There are loads of us left. We logged right back on and went right back to grouping and talking and most of us didn't even know about this at all.

I honestly wouldn't have a clue what to look for in who's an RMT versus who's not. I seriously wouldn't. I haven't been on the server long enough, in part, and because I meet tons of twinks. How do I know which is a twink and which is an RMT? I have no idea.

What I DO know is that there are tons of GREAT people in DW. And when people group with us, they want to guild with us. People like us; with good reason.

[Necabo]

I apologize if I sound upset. I'm simply standing up for my guild, which I feel very attached to. I care about it, and it's hurtful to see a GM blanket paint it in what seems a casual and uncaring manner.

Those of us good, decent, caring people were painted by that brush. I feel awful! My stomach is twisted in knots thanks to the people who did that while wearing our tag. It's a painful and unpleasant feeling to be exposed to drama and unfair accusations due to horrible behavior by people you can't control.

I'm proud to wear the tag I do, and I want to remain so. My answer to that is to stand up for the guild I feel very good about being part of (and no dirtbags can change that!!). This guild belongs to the good ones in it, not those others.

In my opinion, no apology is needed. Your concern is valid. I would expand; however, I think the cynicism I'm feeling now would skew the intended tone of my words.

[Nimmanu]

And so you understand more clearly, I do not defend what any RMT'r does. I feel betrayed by those who actually did that. I feel very angry that they would join our guild and do that.

Yet I would feel wrong if I said that they are the spirit of this guild. They aren't. I will stand by all the wonderful, good, decent people I've met in DW. For them, I defend the guild, because they are the heart of the guild.

I continue, and will continue, to wear the tag AS IT IS, and with pride, because of the good people who remain there. Together, WE are what make Dark Winter.

We group together. We spend time together. We run screaming for the zone line in SolA and then grovel and buff the people we accidentally trained because we feel bad about that... but GREAT about burrowing into the zone as far as we did.

I do feel icky about the RMTers. And if I had known who they were, or if Healover or if Dibbons, or if ANY of us at the heart of DW had known (and ignorance, while no excuse, is at least understandable to most humane people)... they wouldn't have been in the guild.

While we may have committed the "crime" of not knowing or being able to recognize cheaters for who they are... we're also "guilty" of far better things. Companionship, good feelings, consideration, kindness, compassion. And of these things, I am NOT ashamed. I'm proud.

[Pokesan]

Dark Winter definitely the real victims of this RMT scandal

[Nimmanu]

I am reminded, Raogan, that I haven't thanked you for not disbanding the guild. We who are still there (and there are tons, as I'm sure you know) are very grateful.

We also thank you for weeding out the people we didn't want in there, even though we didn't realize who and what they were.

Thank you!

[Byel]

I'm dying at the novels wrote declaring dark winter a glorious fuzzy and warm guild, after rogean declared them essentially dirtier then any other guild which is saying ALOT. Damnit I wish they would name and shame, give a guild ratio..how many dark elves banned...anything!

[Aeaolena]

Woot! I get to recycle old gifs!

http://i.imgur.com/CyOzIlD.gif



Aw what the hell, I'll make a new one too ;)

http://i.imgur.com/155F2bm.gif

[Raijingeki]

This Dark Winter call out could have been handled more... Professionally, to be blunt. As the server management, you can call all the shots and enforce the rules and we as players have to respect that. But your wording made it seem like a personal attack towards the guild and it certainly had an effect on some of the members.

The fact that you made this public knowledge has now given us the reputation of <RMT Winter>, even though not every single member of the guild supports RMT. A lot of us are unhappy about those who have been caught had done. You're basically giving everyone firing ammo to be negative towards the guild, which can technically lead to verbal abuse from others; something frowned upon according to the Project 1999 Guidebook.

Yes, you can argue that the guild should know more about its players and not invite everyone and anyone. That "the leadership of a guild is responsible for ensuring that all of their members are abiding by the Project 1999 rules. Frequent or Reoccuring violations by members or the guild as whole could result in the guild being disbanded and/or possible action against the leadership." But it's nearly impossible to know every little thing another player does in terms of something like this! People can lie about what they do and we as players do not have tools that server moderators do.

Am I appreciative of what you've done for the server in terms of cleaning up? Yes. You are doing your job as management to keep the server running and making sure the players are being held accountable.

Nimmanu had said it best; "And so you understand more clearly, I do not defend what any RMT'r does. I feel betrayed by those who actually did that. I feel very angry that they would join our guild and do that." We all do. Hell, it's something we've all been talking about this evening because we aren't happy about being name and shamed for those who put us in this uncomfortable situation.

Perhaps next time, as a suggestion, you could manage damage control and speak with the guild leader if this situation does happen again (for Dark Winter or anyone else) to minimize this kind of effect?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to my drumming.

-Eli(jah)wood

[Pokesan]

This Dark Winter call out could have been handled more... Professionally, to be blunt.

stopped reading at this point. your whistles were dirty and rogean does not owe you a goddamn thing in the first place anyway.

[Zheta]

People BUY PLATINUM on this server?? Wat.

Anyway, good work GMs!

[Nimmanu]

I'm dying at the novels wrote declaring dark winter a glorious fuzzy and warm guild, after rogean declared them essentially dirtier then any other guild which is saying ALOT. Damnit I wish they would name and shame, give a guild ratio..how many dark elves banned...anything!

Hey, I'm not arguing that we didn't have people who were doing this. I have admitted that I didn't KNOW they were.

But I see the people still in the guild, and I've grouped with many of them. I've chatted with almost all of them (in case you missed it, I'm chatty :p ).

They are good people. I'm a good person.

Some of our members did something that I find deeply wrong. I think it's even morally wrong. I don't defend them, or that action.

But this isn't something we condone. We don't know how to recognize that. Not enough experience in P99.

You can be ignorant and still be a good person. Our guild is filled with helpful, good folks. Apparently it was also filled with others, for which we can only apologize and move on a bit more aware and hopefully learn from this mistake.

ALL of our officers and our GM are still there. They weren't banned because they were NOT in on any bad behavior. They don't support, condone, or assist with it under any circumstances.

We're certainly not perfect! But those of us who remain are great folks. It's a shame that this has happened for that reason more than any other. We don't deserve the reputation that you guys have willingly accepted for us. What we're being accused of is not something we agree with or believe in. None of our officers were hit in the ban, because we're just not like that.

The very principles the guild is founded on are against that. We made a mistake. We didn't know. We can admit that humbly. We are by no means perfect.

We remain as a guild. If we were 99% evil, vile monsters as you people are trying to paint us, he would have disbanded us without a second thought. You don't have to believe that we didn't know and do NOT agree with it. It's pretty clear that people want to hate us. I don't know why. I don't understand it.

At the end of the day, though... you don't know us. You haven't met the people in the guild. Some of our members did things we didn't agree with behind our backs. We're not okay with that. We're not bad people because bad people betrayed us, either.

[Raijingeki]

stopped reading at this point. your whistles were dirty and rogean does not owe you a goddamn thing in the first place anyway.
Perhaps you can't read. Did I say he owed me anything? No.

My whistle is clean, thank you very much; I am not banned. All I had asked for, as clearly defined as a suggestion in the second-to-last sentence in case you had missed it, was a little respect in matters like this.

[Thulack]

Hey, I'm not arguing that we didn't have people who were doing this. I have admitted that I didn't KNOW they were.

But I see the people still in the guild, and I've grouped with many of them. I've chatted with almost all of them (in case you missed it, I'm chatty :p ).

They are good people. I'm a good person.

Some of our members did something that I find deeply wrong. I think it's even morally wrong. I don't defend them, or that action.

But this isn't something we condone. We don't know how to recognize that. Not enough experience in P99.

You can be ignorant and still be a good person. Our guild is filled with helpful, good folks. Apparently it was also filled with others, for which we can only apologize and move on a bit more aware and hopefully learn from this mistake.

ALL of our officers and our GM are still there. They weren't banned because they were NOT in on any bad behavior. They don't support, condone, or assist with it under any circumstances.

We're certainly not perfect! But those of us who remain are great folks. It's a shame that this has happened for that reason more than any other. We don't deserve the reputation that you guys have willingly accepted for us. What we're being accused of is not something we agree with or believe in. None of our officers were hit in the ban, because we're just not like that.

The very principles the guild is founded on are against that. We made a mistake. We didn't know. We can admit that humbly. We are by no means perfect.

We remain as a guild. If we were 99% evil, vile monsters as you people are trying to paint us, he would have disbanded us without a second thought. You don't have to believe that we didn't know and do NOT agree with it. It's pretty clear that people want to hate us. I don't know why. I don't understand it.

At the end of the day, though... you don't know us. You haven't met the people in the guild. Some of our members did things we didn't agree with behind our backs. We're not okay with that. We're not bad people because bad people betrayed us, either.

Guilds get called out when they do shit. You are not the first guild to be called out and wont be the last.

[Ossigor]

I'm in DW. The officers of DW actively encourage us to sniff out RMT'ers and invite them into the guild (in fact, we pay them real money to bribe them to join, that's how hardcore RMT we are).

Actually, Dark Winter is basically anyone level 5-40 that is leveling on the server right now. I'm just a random, and was invited at random, but I can tell you that 99% of DW folk (that are active in guild chat) are just normal people that probably don't even know what the acronym RMT stands for.

Seriously, you have people in this guild asking such newb questions about EQ. Super innocent folks... it's funny that people think some great justice was served here to some big evil guild-- that's not the case at all. There just happens to be a huge number of people in the guild from rapid-fire ginvites.

DW is really just a zerg. That said, everyone active in gchat is helpful and friendly so I wanted to come to their defense. Whoever was RMT'ing were probably just rando alts of rich RMTers that wanted to have a guild tag/green text to read.

[Nimmanu]

Guilds get called out when they do shit. You are not the first guild to be called out and wont be the last.

Except the guild didn't do it. We didn't all gather up and say, "Let's go buy some plat with RL money!!"

Is your entire guild defined exclusively by the bad things your members do? If some of your guildies group up and go deliberately and repeatedly train, and you find out about it two weeks later... did your GUILD do that? Is that what your GUILD is, a bunch of training jerks?

Or is that the bad behavior of a few people who do NOT represent the spirit of your guild? And if an officer found out and removed them without the knowledge of your GM, would they STILL be the end-all representatives of your guild??

Is YOUR guild defined by the mistakes or even outright jerkish things your members do? Or is your guild defined by the people who are most invested in it and who do the most for it? Who gets to decide for you, who defines your guild most thoroughly?

I'm in DW. The officers of DW actively encourage us to sniff out RMT'ers and invite them into the guild (in fact, we pay them real money to bribe them to join, that's how hardcore RMT we are).

Actually, Dark Winter is basically anyone level 5-40 that is leveling on the server right now. I'm just a random, and was invited at random, but I can tell you that 99% of DW folk (that are active in guild chat) are just normal people that probably don't even know what the acronym RMT stands for.

Seriously, you have people in this guild asking such newb questions about EQ. Super innocent folks... it's funny that people think some great justice was served here to some big evil guild-- that's not the case at all. There just happens to be a huge number of people in the guild from rapid-fire ginvites.

DW is really just a zerg. That said, everyone active in gchat is helpful and friendly so I wanted to come to their defense. Whoever was RMT'ing were probably just rando alts of rich RMTers that wanted to have a guild tag/green text to read.

LOL, Yeah, I can't count how many times this evening I had to explain RMT (and I didn't know what it meant, myself... though I understood as soon as it was explained).

But some people just enjoy hating entire groups of people. It has never made sense to me, still doesn't. What are ya gonna do.

[Tenlaar]

We don't deserve the reputation that you guys have willingly accepted for us.

It's pretty clear that people want to hate us. I don't know why. I don't understand it.

At the end of the day, though... you don't know us.

...your guild was proclaimed dirtiest whistles on a box full of hardcore dirty whistles and almost disbanded...

[Nimmanu]

...your guild was proclaimed dirtiest whistles on a box full of hardcore dirty whistles and almost disbanded...

The dirty whistles were removed from the server.

Let's see your whistle, buddy! :cool:

[Smedy]

glorious work mr rogean and pals

lol @ bluebies calling each other "whistles"

my work here is done

[Ossigor]

LOL, Yeah, I can't count how many times this evening I had to explain RMT (and I didn't know what it meant, myself... though I understood as soon as it was explained).

But some people just enjoy hating entire groups of people. It has never made sense to me, still doesn't. What are ya gonna do.

Yeah, I do think it was a little preemptive for P99 staff to single out one guild here. "Results cut short.." still if you /who all dark winter, so its not like the guild was majority RMTers or everyone would be gone.

Trace those banned alts back to their main guilds :P

Regardless I wouldnt take it too personally-- people are just happy their favorite game is being protected from RMT and are a tad overzealous.... it'll blow over and anyone with a shred of commonsense will realize that it was just a few bad apples and doesnt represent the guild as a whole.

- Hansou

[mdjungnitsch]

I'd like to again thank Rogean on behalf of DW for not disbanding us.

Even as an officer of DW, I had absolutely no idea we had RMT'ers in our guild. I assume they remained nameless among us after being invited through our mass recruiting efforts to populate the guild, only using our tag as cover to look "legit".

I don't want to say what we are actively going to do to right this situation as our officers and leader have not had any formal meetings, but I can assure everyone that something will be done to weed out whomever Rogean may have missed in addition to prevent such happenings in the future.

Lets keep things civil, ladies and gents.

Best,
Kaewin

[laowllol]

I myself have managed to escape unscathed. The majority of my customers who only utilize my services and follow my recommended security procedures also escaped. As far as I can tell none of my methods have gotten anybody banned. So as of now, I am still in the game. What stock I had/have is already almost depleted as it was purchased following the wave buy some who had lost and some were purchasing for first time.

Copy past it into a Google search and see what comes up. Spoiler alert! This thread is the second result.

Ah the power of Google.

And indeed good work on swinging the ban hammer on people who need a healthy /bonk.

[Jimjam]

Nimmanu, no one said your guild are jerks until you decided to post your rant. All that was said about your guild was there were an unusually high number of RMTs. You're reading insults that weren't there.

I'm sure everyone in the guild is positively lovely, despite the RMT problem.

[herb_gotti]

Just came back a few days ago. I always hated cheaters. Good job. :cool:

[coki]

Now stop playing a shitty emu run by assholes and come back to EQ live, where your real character lives.

i luled... please bring back uthgaard and his sting operations and we could of halved the population by now

[Tenlaar]

The dirty whistles were removed from the server.

Let's see your whistle, buddy! :cool:

My whistle is clean as can be.

http://lookatmyhappyrainbow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/whistle.jpeg

[katrik]

^

[Rararboker]

The dirty whistles were removed from the server.

Let's see your whistle, buddy! :cool:

Shut your hore mouth. Tenlaar is a saint.


Otherwise, this definitely perked up my evening.

[Rogean]

From another board which shall remain nameless:
I myself have managed to escape unscathed. The majority of my customers who only utilize my services and follow my recommended security procedures also escaped. As far as I can tell none of my methods have gotten anybody banned. So as of now, I am still in the game. What stock I had/have is already almost depleted as it was purchased following the wave buy some who had lost and some were purchasing for first time.

Yes that's right. In less than four hours after the bans people were just so desperate for their RMT fix that they decided to descend on this plat seller's store en masse and completely empty him out.

These tears are delicious. Thanks for all your hard work, Rogean.

I saw that and laughed my fucking ass off. That website is in such a panic mode right now deleting every post from anyone actually claiming to have been banned.

The person that specifically posted that message is one of the resellers we targetted. He's personally responsible for 185 of the accounts banned. His "methods" were far from anything special.

I like how they're also trying to blame this guy for starting it all: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181646

As much as I'd like to say it only took us a few hours to compile a list of 440 accounts, it unfortunately took the better part of 10 days and 3 staff members to gather and verify all the information.

[Seredoc]

As much as I'd like to say it only took us a few hours to compile a list of 440 accounts, it unfortunately took the better part of 10 days and 3 staff members to gather and verify all the information.


Much pras to be had here, though I do have to sign with the group calling for the name and shame xD

[Smedy]

I saw that and laughed my fucking ass off. That website is in such a panic mode right now deleting every post from anyone actually claiming to have been banned.

The person that specifically posted that message is one of the resellers we targetted. He's personally responsible for 185 of the accounts banned. His "methods" were far from anything special.

I like how they're also trying to blame this guy for starting it all: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181646

As much as I'd like to say it only took us a few hours to compile a list of 440 accounts, it unfortunately took the better part of 10 days and 3 staff members to gather and verify all the information.

big pras

[ociris]

People are gonna flame and people are gonna point fingers, it's what forums are for right? You can label DW as the bad guys all you want but in the end the people are still there. As a new guild with a lot of people leveling its prime feeding ground for all those people buyin up them MQs and fungis to level their chars so it makes sense that there were some bad apples in the lot, but just like when the TMO bann happened, all of them were guilty to right? Just sayin. Most of DW is a new crowd that's enjoyin the feel of the good ol EQ since live is a far cry from what it use to be, and like wyld said a lot of people didn't even know what RMT is, and I would also like to point out that as to where DW was not disbanded the last guild that got caught in somethin like this did, so DW must not have been as bad as that. DW has good people in it, and a lot of them, helpful people, so chances are if you would have asked them for help with a trade they would have done it, was this most of the issues, only 1 person knows the whole story so it's for him to say if he ever decides to as everyone one wants him to for and reason, what's the point of a name and shame when those people are gone anyway. To me the banns seem more like a way to remove the over populated items like the bajillion fungis floating around and all those MQ epics, you wanna put a damper on some of the RMT stuff, kill MQing and push for velious, with people selling MQs for 30-500k you wonder where all that ends up. But what's done is done, hope the innocents get their accounts back, it's not fun bein on the bad side of somethin like this, and for the guilty, they'll just start it over again and be up and runnin in a few days=( it's what they do

[Daldaen]

I'd be curious to hear how many of the 440 accounts banned get overturned.

It's sounding like several people who sold MQs (and on the GMs side they just see MQSeller A accepts 80k from Player B who trades them nothing in return for this transaction). Then they were able to trace that platinum back to an RMTer. And bam, Banhammer. It's an understandable banning, it's just gonna make some people hesitant to MQ epics especially to these level 20 monks and clerics who have no higher main but 100k+ to throw around.

Which IMO is a good thing. I've had to turn down people for PLs when they were interested in buying 60ks worth when their "main" was the level 10 enchanter I was going to PL... Makes people think a bit more about double checking that the people who are paying you huge sums of plat for a service (which shows on Devs side as them giving you plat for nothing in exchange) are really players who have high level mains and are just looking to skip some annoying quest or slow levels on an alt.

PS - Thanks for the repop. We were on a severe drought of real competition. We got to see who lol trained themselves, who didn't mobilize, and who did. Was some good fun.
PSS - Thanks for Respawn day returning to the weekend somewhat. Having most respawns occurring between 6AM-6PM EST on Tuesday/Wednesday makes me sad.

[Kreylyn]

Except the guild didn't do it. We didn't all gather up and say, "Let's go buy some plat with RL money!!"

Is your entire guild defined exclusively by the bad things your members do? If some of your guildies group up and go deliberately and repeatedly train, and you find out about it two weeks later... did your GUILD do that? Is that what your GUILD is, a bunch of training jerks?

Or is that the bad behavior of a few people who do NOT represent the spirit of your guild? And if an officer found out and removed them without the knowledge of your GM, would they STILL be the end-all representatives of your guild??

Is YOUR guild defined by the mistakes or even outright jerkish things your members do? Or is your guild defined by the people who are most invested in it and who do the most for it? Who gets to decide for you, who defines your guild most thoroughly?



LOL, Yeah, I can't count how many times this evening I had to explain RMT (and I didn't know what it meant, myself... though I understood as soon as it was explained).

But some people just enjoy hating entire groups of people. It has never made sense to me, still doesn't. What are ya gonna do.


You have stated your new and didn't know. I can understand that, as you have pointed out.

The part you may also not know, is that any guild wears the tag of it's members actions as much if not more than the members wear the guild tag reputation. Just a couple of "bad seeds" can make a reputation for all of a guild's members. A single player can build a good reputation even while wearing a questionable guild tag.

Is that fair? No. No one said it was supposed to be. It is how it works though. It is how the community enforces behavioral modification. As an individual, a player can be a dick and the reputation is theirs alone. As a guild member, the community is going to hold that player's guild responsible for the player's dickish behavior. Much more so than the player. At that point either the guild corrects the behavior such as through threat of removing the problem and makes amends, or they deal with consequences of the social back lash. This is why large guilds who have a lot of community interaction develop well known "reputations" good or bad.

Unfortunately the backlash here is massive due to the large number of members (former members) who engaged in inappropriate behavior. Add to that the damage looks to have been done with out any prior knowledge by the leadership of RMT or opportunity for the guild leadership to do proactively change anything before the ban hammer and announcement.

The Guild Leader and officers choose to mass invite with little to no vetting process. It's part of your guild's general operating procedure. It is those actions in this regard that has put your guild in this situation. The bonus to that is you have grown exponentially in a very short time. Down side... well.. we are talking about that now aren't we?

I feel for your members who didn't do anything wrong. I understand that you didn't know how to prevent this previously. I even tend to believe the officers of your guild never intended or have any idea this was going on or going to happen.

But....

The reputation that you say is unfounded and undeserved is ultimately because of your guild officers actions and decisions. Not because they knew or condoned the RMT problem. Your guild chose to mass invite with little to no vetting. This situation is just one of the many possible results of those actions. Your guild is under the microscope now because of those choices having now bitten you in the arse. This is normal. This happens to all guilds on some level. This will happen again.

Don't blame the GMs or the community for calling you out on this. Learn from this. Stand up, accept/acknowledge the failure, and take actions in your guild and it's policies to change things for the better.

That's how your guild will recover... or forever be known as something else.




Krey

[Lojik]

Prominent members of the erudite community reportedly banned, suspected racial profiling. Expect a call from the reverend Al Sharpton Rogean

[Mcleod]

I would think GM's are much more capable at policing RMT than a low level guild leader. If you start telling guild leaders they have to screen possible RMT people, won't that make it harder for legit twinks to find lower leveling guilds? Knee jerk reactions are typically not as helpful as well thought out responses. Guild likes Dark Winter make life a lot more enjoyable for those new players (heh, good place for a joke about RMT there eh?) who are clueless and gearless and need help. I would hate to see that institute take a beating for some folks that take advantage of the system.

My toons will stay with Dark Winter. I didn't join it to RMT, so thanks for weeding those cats out.

Btw, what *IS* a whistle in this context?

[Lyrith]

So "Dark Winter" is clean now... They should be re-made as "Bright Summer"

Seriously though Nim, no need to defend your guild non-stop. Play and enjoy the game... It only makes sense that the most newbie friendly guild would have tons of RMT. I've only heard great things about your guild and the people in it. You cannot help if these new people coming to the server are buying shit from a website to get that "Head Start".

Keep up the good work with Dark Winter and, SHAME AND BLAME the bad ones. Do that and you will be around for a long time!

[Haynar]

NO to shaming. Not going to happen.

Innocents can also be flagged. These can be resolved through petitions. But if they were shamed, no amount of petitions can fix that.

H

[Sirken]

do you guys even realize i had to be sirken on not one, but TWO sundays over this crap? thats the real crime here.

let me try to help any RG nerds that might read this. RMT logs, like herpes, do not just go away. they might quietly stay dormant for a while, but also like your herpes, will never ever go away.

you can play on this server for free, forever. or, you can spend real money and lose all the time and effort you put into your character when we do our RMT waves. and i promise you, that you will be caught :)

i understand that some people have more time than money, and theres TONS of games and servers out there for you, that allow RMT transactions, this is just not one of those servers.

http://i.imgur.com/2aeLSMn.png

[Lyrith]

NO to shaming. Not going to happen.

Innocents can also be flagged. These can be resolved through petitions. But if they were shamed, no amount of petitions can fix that.

H

=(

But we like to shame and blame...

Agreed, but no different then the RNF section spreading TMO/IB names already. Obviously it wasn't meant for this thread.

[Lyrith]

Honestly if you just have too much Real Money, and you feel the need to buy items. Donate it to the Server. We will get velious sooner (Hopefully), big guilds will move to new zones. Your guild will start getting more loots, and before you know it... BAM! In 6 to 12 months from your money being spent you will get items!

Your heard it here first!

[Haynar]

Honestly if you just have too much Real Money, and you feel the need to buy items. Donate it to the Server. We will get velious sooner (Hopefully), big guilds will move to new zones. Your guild will start getting more loots, and before you know it... BAM! In 6 to 12 months from your money being spent you will get items!

Your heard it here first!

I play casually on Takp. Big level 15, three boxing. Crap gear. Can maybe afford one or two spells when I do level.

Hmmm. $20 for 10k plat. And I never have to worry about farming plat to buy spells. That 250 plat sword for sk, that triples my dps?

And you ask why? And you make it sound like tons of money is spent? Not always.

Try a guild just trying to break into the raiding scene. Barely enough gear. But a bit short on dots, for cleric buffs. Maybe need some EEs for emergency necro rez? Everyone in guild is poor. What do you do?

For $50, the whole guild is supported for raiding for next 3 months. Done.

Not everyone is a neckbeard with a million plat in the bank.

Everyones situation is different. So dont be so quick to judge.

However. You get caught. U get banned. Deal with it.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

H

[mdjungnitsch]

Amen, Haynar. Well said. There are legit reasons to break the rules, but you're still breaking the rules. The consequences are known, so you better be willing to accept them. Nuff said.

I think what all that needs to be said about this situation has been said. Lets move on. :P

[Raijingeki]

Well said, Haynar.

[Daldaen]

I empathize with RMTers to an extent. They want a leg up and a fast track to the end. I understand how getting a fungi tunic at the beginning of the game changes how you are able to play it. And I get the desire of being able to do that.

However try to remember what you are doing classic when you start here. Just enjoy your ride to the top. Don't try to skip it your first time coming back through classic and Kunark.

I don't have any sympathy for RMTers who got banned though.

Derubael would be sad to not be a part of these bannings. I know he loved smacking down RMTers.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I also got banned and have never used RMT. Not now and not back in the day. As someone else stated, can't stand people that cheat the game, just to get ahead. How the hell that happened, I'll never know. Guarantee I'll never help anyone with plat transfers between toons again. So much for being a decent person and helping people that need it.

It's a lesson we all have to learn. The other day I saw a young child with a lollipop, and we all know, sugar is not good for developing teeth. So I helped the child out by taking away her lollypop. Not one to waste things, and my own teeth being that of a fully developed 54 year old man, I put the lollypop in my own mouth, where it could do no harm.

But of course the mother saw things differently, and she called the police, who sided with her. Now I've got a court date and lawyer fees, all because I tried to help.

So I feel ya.

[myriverse]

Pras!

[Eashan]

Good work brah, when's Velious coming I can't wait!!!

[citizen1080]

Prominent members of the erudite community reportedly banned, suspected racial profiling. Expect a call from the reverend Al Sharpton Rogean

^Awesome


Also, great work Rogean and co. Tracking down the paper trail on all these can't be easy or fun work.

[girth]

Nobody should have to 'be weary' of who's plat they accept. Saw a comment about refusing people service/goods due to thinking they may have RMT'd. Let the GMs worry about that.

I was a level 1 monk with fungi, rbb, tstaff...w/o RMT. Don't tase me bro.

[fred schnarf]

It's a lesson we all have to learn. The other day I saw a young child with a lollipop, and we all know, sugar is not good for developing teeth. So I helped the child out by taking away her lollypop. Not one to waste things, and my own teeth being that of a fully developed 54 year old man, I put the lollypop in my own mouth, where it could do no harm.

But of course the mother saw things differently, and she called the police, who sided with her. Now I've got a court date and lawyer fees, all because I tried to help.

So I feel ya.

what the fuck

[Stormfists]

Nobody should have to 'be weary' of who's plat they accept. Saw a comment about refusing people service/goods due to thinking they may have RMT'd. Let the GMs worry about that.

I was a level 1 monk with fungi, rbb, tstaff...w/o RMT. Don't tase me bro.


My lvl 1 rogue epic twink got banned with no RMT. Safe to say it clearly does matter where the money comes from bud. Essentially stolen goods is a crime even if you didn't steal it yourself. Ce la vie.

Hats off to all the work Rogean & Co are putting in.

[VANVEM]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.

I empathize with RMTers to an extent. They want a leg up and a fast track to the end. I understand how getting a fungi tunic at the beginning of the game changes how you are able to play it. And I get the desire of being able to do that.

However try to remember what you are doing classic when you start here. Just enjoy your ride to the top. Don't try to skip it your first time coming back through classic and Kunark.

I don't have any sympathy for RMTers who got banned though.

Derubael would be sad to not be a part of these bannings. I know he loved smacking down RMTers.

This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

[Thulack]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.



This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

If there wasnt a demand there would be no need for a supply.

[Glenzig]

First off thanks to the GM staff for their efforts to clean up the server.


Rogean: Without a list of the names involved this may mean little, but why does it seem the these waves get the middle men and the buyers and not the most important people in the process.



This guy even blames the buyers, sure the process takes both kinds, but the suppliers in the RMT schemes have to be coming from some of the Largets and most advanced on the server, trace the Items and plat back to these people and ban those accounts and we can get somewhere.

The suppliers have enough time to dedicate to this and other games required to build up the pixel wealth. The only way you build pixel wealth with the intent to sell for rl money is time invested. The sellers will have multiple accounts with pixel hoards. They will always be around as long as there is a demand. Ban the account. Doesn't matter. It will only be a matter of weeks/months before they have enough stockpiled to sell again.
If there was no demand for bought and sold pixels, there would be no one interested in stockpiling with the intent to sell. You punish everyone involved, including the sellers. That doesn't mean that RMT goes away. That is in the hands of the community.
In other words, RMT, and the bans that result from it, will always be with us.

[VANVEM]

There will always, always, always be a demand. If there was no supply then the demand would just not be satisfied, but the problem would be resolved.

Also this is where the tinfoil hats get there ammunition to accuse the staff. Get rid of the power brokers and the entire server would be better served, get rid of the small potatoes and we have entertainment for one day

[Glenzig]

There will always, always, always be a demand. If there was no supply then the demand would just not be satisfied, but the problem would be resolved.

Also this is where the tinfoil hats get there ammunition to accuse the staff. Get rid of the power brokers and the entire server would be better served, get rid of the small potatoes and we have entertainment for one day

So if a crack dealer moved into your neighborhood and started a fairly lucrative ring, do you think that the problem would go away after he got arrested?
The answer is no. There are now crack addicts living in your neighborhood. They want crack. They may get arrested, but they'll be back out. Then they will want more crack. There will always be a dealer for them as long as they want it. Someone else will move in once they realize there is a demand for their product.
Now, if everyone in your neighborhood decided that they were going to absolutely abstain from the crack, then the dealer would have just moved on and went somewhere else. The problem is both the dealer and the people buying. But the solution can only come from the people. Just stop buying!

[VANVEM]

Then the Crack dealer gets some other newbie hooked and we are back at it. No the best way to stop it, is to cut off the supply of the crack.

lets get away from the crack analogy, on P99 the RMT problem is a merry-go-round because the system allows it to exist. You want to stop it, then you have to start at the source. Track the big ticket items that a lot of these deals stem from, and Ban those accounts, and any other accounts logged on by that same PC.

But that may hit a few privileged folk around here, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

If Rogean and staff wanted to solve a lot of the problems this server bitches and complains about, stop the RMT suppliers, and he would fix lot on the raiding scene as well.

[Thulack]

Then the Crack dealer gets some other newbie hooked and we are back at it. No the best way to stop it, is to cut off the supply of the crack.

lets get away from the crack analogy, on P99 the RMT problem is a merry-go-round because the system allows it to exist. You want to stop it, then you have to start at the source. Track the big ticket items that a lot of these deals stem from, and Ban those accounts, and any other accounts logged on by that same PC.

But that may hit a few privileged folk around here, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

If Rogean and staff wanted to solve a lot of the problems this server bitches and complains about, stop the RMT suppliers, and he would fix lot on the raiding scene as well.

Your knowledge ended there.

[qinsteel]

The way I see it if a lvl 1 Rogue can equip an epic then that encourages RMT, and IMO an epic is something that should be earned for end game say lvl 50 +. The Dev team should take a look at item restrictions for those items that are highly traded for RMT. As was stated earlier in this forum, Guilds can still give away their prizes to newbies for easy to get items, yet save the Seb/HS items for end game toons.

[Thulack]

The way I see it if a lvl 1 Rogue can equip an epic then that encourages RMT, and IMO an epic is something that should be earned for end game say lvl 50 +. The Dev team should take a look at item restrictions for those items that are highly traded for RMT. As was stated earlier in this forum, Guilds can still give away their prizes to newbies for easy to get items, yet save the Seb/HS items for end game toons.

Person still gonna RMT and just buy fungi/Serp tooth whatever they want. Short of making everything on the server No drop RMT is going to happen because people want instant gratification.

[VANVEM]

Your knowledge ended there.

No it didn't,

I understand, just as i realize it will never happen. they could fix it, and choose not to. PERIOD, and anything you say after that is encouraging it to continue

[VANVEM]

Person still gonna RMT and just buy fungi/Serp tooth whatever they want. Short of making everything on the server No drop RMT is going to happen because people want instant gratification.

People will always try to improve their position, i agree. which is why you want to stop/control the RMT issue you HAVE to go after the sellers or the items,

[maskedmelon]

Prais Haynar and Glenzig for sound reasoning.

Failure to ban the end users (whomever they may be) opens up an avenue to protected RMT, because the RMTer could then just create a dummy account (supposed newb RMT buyer) whom they could then channel funds through to the real end recipient as payment for high end items (also a part of the RMT) or masquerade as legit MQers. Consider the following:

Character A gives 100kpp to Character B
Character B buys Fungi from Character C
Character B buys MQ epic from Character D
Character D transfers money to mule Character E

Who's innocent?




The RMT supplier could control any of the following groups of characters:

A, C, D, E
A, C, D
A, B, C
A, B
A
Or even A, B, C, D and E just to create confusion in logs and lose the real transactions in a sea of seemingly legit ones.

I've thought too much about this and not written enough so it probably doesn't make sense. But it does! Just stare at it :P. ^^

[Thulack]

People will always try to improve their position, i agree. which is why you want to stop/control the RMT issue you HAVE to go after the sellers or the items,

And then what about the people that want to still buy stuff? They will find ways to get what they want if they have to offer more money obviously they would. The best way to do it is how they are: Make people fear buying plat and getting banned. There will ALWAYS be people willing to sell plat cause in the end nothing bad will come to them as they will made a profit no matter how small from just 1 transaction.

[Glenzig]

Then the Crack dealer gets some other newbie hooked and we are back at it. No the best way to stop it, is to cut off the supply of the crack.

lets get away from the crack analogy, on P99 the RMT problem is a merry-go-round because the system allows it to exist. You want to stop it, then you have to start at the source. Track the big ticket items that a lot of these deals stem from, and Ban those accounts, and any other accounts logged on by that same PC.

But that may hit a few privileged folk around here, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

If Rogean and staff wanted to solve a lot of the problems this server bitches and complains about, stop the RMT suppliers, and he would fix lot on the raiding scene as well.

You absolutely completely missed the point of the analogy. If the people that populate this server would refuse to RMT, then we would not have any RMT kingpins to speak of. I already explained the fact that banning all accounts associated with sellers is a very temporary measure. They will be back. They know exactly what they are doing when it comes to leveling and camping desired high end items. You can not stop the dealers outright! The only people with the power to stop the dealers are the potential buyers. Just say no. Do not buy plat or items. It is a self solving problem. However, I am not naive enough to believe that people will ever stop buying plat and items. Therefore, we will have the annual house cleaning for the rest of the life of the server.

[maskedmelon]

*nods* fostering fear and loathing of association via public execution of all involved is the most effective solution. In a free market supply will always rise to meet demand and a supply vacuum creates great incentive for would-be suppliers to mobilize ^^

[Glenzig]

No it didn't,

I understand, just as i realize it will never happen. they could fix it, and choose not to. PERIOD, and anything you say after that is encouraging it to continue

How? How do you stop the sellers? You seem to have it all figured out in your head. Put it on paper for us please. Solve the riddle.

[Duckwalk]

How? How do you stop the sellers? You seem to have it all figured out in your head. Put it on paper for us please. Solve the riddle.

You create GM run RMT operation that undercuts (both in price and resource generation) real RMTer. Then immediately ban anyone buying from your accounts.

Hopefully netting both legitimate RMTers trying to restock their supply and retards buy services.

Ultimate goal is to damage rate of successful RMT where their sites are clogged with accusations of scamming and the majority avoids it because it's too likely a scam.

[Duckwalk]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.

[Formshifter]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.

[MaSQue]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.

[Pringles]

Or #wipeitclean2015.

And spend the next year and a half (of classic timeline) getting ready to release Velious.

Ya wiping it clean is the only way to rid this server of RMT once and for all! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Turp]

This idea would not work due to they make you pay as gift.

[Thulack]

The way you post here You think its easy to acquire 500k or w.e it takes to start a plat business. In reality it takes months or longer to get that kind of cash.
If they set up stings an bought plat , than busted the saler , than retracted their money threw paypal. They would end the king pin plat sales FOREVER.
Still would have your little men but there wont be a plat.com.
The Platlords would lose all their inventory, make no RL money , an yes they might try again. But after a few stings they would move on to another server.

It either has to be someone high profile (very good at computers) to keep in business for 4 years+ untouched.
Or staff haven't ran a sting to bust the big guy. They just focus on busting little buyers in hopes it works.
The real curb stomp would be a sting operation an rob the plat lords.
You rob them enough an they will give up.
No one is gonna keep trying to sale if you keep scamming them an busting them.
Banning only the buyers IMO just fuels the platlords to sale more.

Example:
Set up a order. for 200k or whatever. You Send the money paypal and say in description where you want your item delivered. Than get the plat, bust the guy , ban all his accounts, tell paypal you never got your item, get your money back. The Platlord loses months/years of his life and gains nothing.

Currently its :
Bust the buyer, maybe find the saler , platlord lives in a mansion because he gets to keep the money, and the cycle will continue.
Expect a "RMT ban wave" every year. Until someone decides to run a sting operation an really take out the king pins. Its not the buyers. You will never stop the buyers, its the salers. An can easily stop the salers. Just hasn't been done an anyone who ever mentioned setting up a sting operation it just got shut down fast by GM claiming it wouldn't work. If you rob the plat lords enough, it would work.

You act as though Platlord is the only person that sells plat. There are dozens of people that sell plat/items/accounts on this server. And the sellers take extra special care to not get caught i would presume such as using VPN's, multiple accounts etc.

[Turp]

You act as though Platlord is the only person that sells plat. There are dozens of people that sell plat/items/accounts on this server. And the sellers take extra special care to not get caught i would presume such as using VPN's, multiple accounts etc.

There are a few platlords im sure. I was not meaning the actual one Platlord.
But all big timers. Thats why i said Plat lords
Yes they use every tactic you mentioned.
But you could order an buy from them. They sale to anyone. Order it, bust them. Retract the money. They get nothing, they lose a lot. If repeated enough it would curb the big salers down.

[Thulack]

There are a few platlords im sure. I was not meaning the actual one Platlord.
But all big timers. Thats why i said Plat lords
Yes they use every tactic you mentioned.
But you could order an buy from them. They sale to anyone. Order it, bust them. Retract the money. They get nothing, they lose a lot. If repeated enough it would curb the big salers down.

Paypal would start frowning upon the chargebacks after awhile. But in the end if they wanted to yes they could do those things to try and catch the sellers but they could also be wasting time and hit a dead end depending on how well the seller covered their tracks.

[Kender]

everyones assuming rogean isnt smart enough to follow a plat trail to the sellers.

remember, everything is logged. He knew enough to say one seller was responsible for 185 bans. are you trying to say that he ddint get the seller too?

[Turp]

everyones assuming rogean isnt smart enough to follow a plat trail to the sellers.

remember, everything is logged. He knew enough to say one seller was responsible for 185 bans. are you trying to say that he ddint get the seller too?

Nah Rogean got the saler. Just saying they could get more salers too.


Yea Thulack paypal would get pissy after about the 3rd try. You would have to do multiple paypal accounts. It is a big job. But it would eventually kill out plat.com sites.

[FatMice]

Prais Haynar and Glenzig for sound reasoning.

Failure to ban the end users (whomever they may be) opens up an avenue to protected RMT, because the RMTer could then just create a dummy account (supposed newb RMT buyer) whom they could then channel funds through to the real end recipient as payment for high end items (also a part of the RMT) or masquerade as legit MQers. Consider the following:

Character A gives 100kpp to Character B
Character B buys Fungi from Character C
Character B buys MQ epic from Character D
Character D transfers money to mule Character E

Who's innocent?




The RMT supplier could control any of the following groups of characters:

A, C, D, E
A, C, D
A, B, C
A, B
A
Or even A, B, C, D and E just to create confusion in logs and lose the real transactions in a sea of seemingly legit ones.

I've thought too much about this and not written enough so it probably doesn't make sense. But it does! Just stare at it :P. ^^

Sounds like the mind set of someone who thinks like a real money trader. (A)

Must be a real money trader. (B)

Burn him!!! (C)

[maskedmelon]

I do not have enough plats to sell :( If I were involved in RMT it would have to be on the consumer end... I mean.... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[QFuzzle]

Ya' know... I've read quite a bit of replies on this thread (and skipped lots too). I don't wanna muck things up with a long reply/rant so here's my two cents from experience:

I've played games where I clearly saw or heard of people doing things against the game/server rules. Even when I reported it, nothing changed. I've even spent extensive time on a game where the GM's themselves had become corrupt (no, I'm not tin-foiling). At least the GMs/Admins here (who aren't making money by doing this) are making an effort to keep things clean. If mistakes are made, then I'd expect things will get ironed out soon enough.

As an added note -- I've been seeing a lot of newcomers to the server recently, which is awesome. I really do believe that keeping the server as clean as possible (in regards to rule breaking) is encouraging to legit players who are just starting, have played for awhile, or are looking into playing. Imo, keep up the good work GMs/Devs/Admins (I know Devs aren't involved in RMT banning, but they still work on/for the server). :)

(Okay, my reply was some-what long.)

TL;DR -- At least the higher ups are making an effort to keep things straightened out. It could be much worse.

[Zeakus]

Great job!

On a side note: Wearing my ultra layered super duper tin foil hat... If you ban all the OTHER RMT wouldn't you be the only RMT left? ... well played sir... well played...

[fred schnarf]

wonder how many of you guys know that on red99 nihilum was allowed to sell epics to players for 2 years and staff did shit

some staff even took dirty donation money and were on a weekly salary to let them exploit mobs

come to our forums more, way more juicy drama

ban rogean imo

[Salahdin]

Some of the richest people on red/blue server are the smartest and don't get caught rmting it off.

I mean c'mon wtf r u gunna do with 10 fungi's and 3.5 million plat in the bank when the HIGHEST value item is 300k (excluding prenerf fungi staff).

In getting 3.5 million plat and 10 fungi's u already have greatly geared toons.

I say ban anyone that has collectively more than 999,999pp on their account(s) obv up to no good.

[Mentathiel]

Paypal would start frowning upon the chargebacks after awhile.
Sounds like a job for Anonymous (the Hacktivist collective, but the guild could do it if they felt like it) - you are right that Paypal would get funny about the chargebacks, but if one seller gets a hundred chargebacks a day, that would help them make certain assumptions advantageous to those who dislike RMT...

[Turp]

Just found out they dont take regular paypal.
Only paypal and you pay as a gift (which cannot be disputed)
or Western Union.
So only way to do the sting is to spend money. so fuck that.
sorry my plan is fail.

[Near]

Name and Shame. Like classic EQ did.

+1

[Zerocoool]

Pras rogean good work .

[Rogean]

Panicked? Deleting posts? Haha!

Reagan that's cute you think your server is so important to us, but honestly nobody on staff cares. They spent the day working on eq live, I'm the only one who even read this thread. Nobody else here knows or cares about you torturing your little Sims.

Hey Redbot, what happened to this thread?

/forums/showthread.php/31185-Anyone-get-hit-by-the-ban-wave

You run a community market designed to profit off the hard work of other people. Get fucking lost kid.

[wycca]

Thanks for all the hard work devs/csr/mgmt - the ban hammer on scum and the joy that is classic EQ is very much appreciated.

[Bigtokes]

Name & Shame.

[Bigtokes]

Wycca,

Rmt was very classic. This post is neither endorsing rmt, or condoning it; don't read in to it trolls.
I made bits of useful pocket money selling junk as a teenager in EQ.

Agreed. I used to RMT before ebay pulled the plug. I got close to $500 for my account when I went to play AO. Funny thing is, I logged back in like 3 years later and the account was abandoned. So I changed the PW and it was mine again.

But yes, it was illegal after a while because people got scammed. Which is why it is illegal here.

[Folanthas]

I'll say it, I am one of those rightly banned. It was so easy to do it on other games that I figured why not here? Well, I had no idea that the mods were so strong against it. Good for them, I understand why. And people can say that the mods were very vocal about rmt, but I never frequented this forum, or where the mods would post news. But ignorance is no defense.

My question is, I would love each to start fresh. No rmt of course. I really enjoy this server and the people, but I want to know if I would get banned on a new account because of my history for purchasing some plat. I hope I can rejoin the server. And I am sorry for going against the rules.

[Erati]

I'll say it, I am one of those rightly banned. It was so easy to do it on other games that I figured why not here? Well, I had no idea that the mods were so strong against it. Good for them, I understand why. And people can say that the mods were very vocal about rmt, but I never frequented this forum, or where the mods would post news. But ignorance is no defense.

My question is, I would love each to start fresh. No rmt of course. I really enjoy this server and the people, but I want to know if I would get banned on a new account because of my history for purchasing some plat. I hope I can rejoin the server. And I am sorry for going against the rules.

No you only lose the account associated with the RMT. You are able to start a fresh one as this server is free to play, the only thing you lose is the time and the reputation.

[Folanthas]

No you only lose the account associated with the RMT. You are able to start a fresh one as this server is free to play, the only thing you lose is the time and the reputation.

Right, I know my account is gone. That's done with, but I would not be surprised if the mods kept ip addresses and the like. If I start a new account, will that get banned as well when it is played 100% legitimately since I myself now have this black mark?

[Rogean]

You are welcome to make new accounts, but please follow the rules this time.

[Folanthas]

That solves it. And there goes my ignorance again for not reading the thread.

Alright, I am done being dumb.

Thank you!

[Samsung]

farewell, again, sector LOL

Not banned, whistle clean, feels gud.

http://i.imgur.com/sgkyGDf.jpg

[Sirken]

Not banned, whistle clean, feels gud.

http://i.imgur.com/sgkyGDf.jpg

i demand a recount!

(sorry sek, couldnt resist :P )

[Sektor]

i demand a recount!

(sorry sek, couldnt resist :P )

lol

[orsk]

Got lumped in with bans because I xfered blue plat to red plat apparently traded with a RMT fag.

[Toodles]

....

And to address the extra special needs tinfoil hatters, would I be making announcements like this telling everyone NOT TO DO IT if the staff were involved? Think about it.



The fact that had to make that extra point, only fuels their conspiracy theories. You were better off staying silent about it - despite what they say.

[Nocsucow]

this "RMT guy" has seen 4 different banns of 300+ accounts and yet I still have several hundred k pp on each server . tons if fungi's on each server.. feels good to be innocent.....

[gnomishfirework]

Got lumped in with bans because I xfered blue plat to red plat apparently traded with a RMT fag.

Report it. Im sure you have the proper evidence from forum posts and the fact that you received something at the same time on the other server. Of course, if you are lying, thats not gonna pan out. They wont just buy your story without evidence.

edit: I too have done cross server trades and I have worried about this, but Then I think "why would an RMT seller trade shit across servers like that? Thats not how they get their supply."

[orsk]

Report it. Im sure you have the proper evidence from forum posts and the fact that you received something at the same time on the other server. Of course, if you are lying, thats not gonna pan out. They wont just buy your story without evidence.

edit: I too have done cross server trades and I have worried about this, but Then I think "why would an RMT seller trade shit across servers like that? Thats not how they get their supply."

Yeah have a petition up its probably being looked in to but I just don't see how it gets lumped in. Been playing here a while just seemed like a hasty decision.

[ALLWILL]

Any word on the amount of plat that was deleted from the system due to these clowns? I know lewt can't really be quantified, but I'd still be interested in the actual Plat value these guys had amassed.

Has this info already been announced?

[quido]

orsk don't sweat it bro, I got banned on my trader for doing a 20k blue cross-server trade - they're just busy and shit - they'll get it straightened out soon

I know like 20 legit people now who have taken bans for simply selling MQs, chardok pulls, or doing cross-server trades.

[orsk]

That's a relief Guido thanks dude, just sucked I have limited time as it is then to try and log in and get the banned message sucked haha.

[quido]

Yeah it sucks, I'm missing out on some good trades here. Oh well though - I'd rather go without my trader for a week or two and see all these morans banned than have nothing done at all.

[Samsung]

Good to know Jeremy was caught rmting, now we have to ban the rest of his accounts.

No reason to have the insane amount of plat he had and it magically disappears.

[Daldaen]

Would be very interesting if they banned the sale of MQs and transference of platinum from blue to red...

[Erati]

Would be very interesting if they banned the sale of MQs .

impossible to police / track would need to just disable MQs but that would be absolutely awful and un-classic

[Duckwalk]

Would be very interesting if they banned the sale of MQs and transference of platinum from blue to red...

That would be great. Red server wide /ooc is flooded with offers looking to trade 90k blue for 30k red or selling Trak BPs.

Shits annoying.

[quido]

60% of my plat magically disappeared by buying like 5 sets of gear on red =)

[Argh]

They'd have to nerf the ability to MQ rather than implement a ban on that sales of them for it to make any difference. It would probably have a bigger impact on guilds than it would farmers.

[quido]

they specifically did a lot of work to make MQs functional - would be retarded to disable them now

shit's classic bros - great way to facilitate alts and keep people on the server who otherwise might be a lil spent

[Duckwalk]

impossible to police / track would need to just disable MQs but that would be absolutely awful and un-classic

Meh, MQ epics/item recharging was available/known to less than 1% of classic live. Could easily argue that in the same way boxing was available yet rare (and disallowed on project 1999) MQ of epics should be prohibited also.

Character sales and RMT both hard to track but it doesn't stop them from being against the rules.

[quido]

Less than 1% eh - did you do a poll?

[Daldaen]

impossible to police / track would need to just disable MQs but that would be absolutely awful and un-classic

No... It wouldn't.

Just view it the same as Account Trading.

It may be difficult to track but it would remove them from EC Tunnel and the forums. I'm sure there will be under the table agreements going on, but if the server rules against it and says you cannot do this, it becomes a lot more difficult for a buyer and MQer to meet up.

When they do the devs can see a 30k trade then 10min later see a Jagged Diamond Dagger trade then 1min later see a level 1 Rogue complete an epic.

MQs wouldn't be banned, just the sale of them. It may even lead to... *gasp* uncamped Ancient Cyclops and free Chardok or KC pipe MQs, looted by people who just want to help others.

PS - This comes from someone who has sold several epic piece MQs and bought a few piece MQs as well. I just thought it would be an interesting scenario to consider.

[quido]

or some asshole sitting there all day selling loot rights, as would be his right to do under the proposed rules

[Daldaen]

or some asshole sitting there all day selling loot rights, as would be his right to do under the proposed rules

Possible... Yes.

But that's far more inconvenient and volatile of a market to be sustainable. The minute someone isn't there and the piece drops or mob spawns, you lose out on your platinum because they aren't there.

If AC spawns and no one is there who wants to buy loot rights, then what? Can't really just kite him around. Or I suppose you could if you're a dick.

Same goes for most epic pieces.

[Argh]

Outlawing MQ sales would probably make it much easier for RMT to take place, because every MQ transaction would then have no corresponding plat transaction, whereas now only RMT and guildbank/friend MQs have no plat trail.

[Duckwalk]

Less than 1% eh - did you do a poll?

Way to completely avoid the valid point I made regarding the scarcity of some of these "classic feature" and be a dick all at the same time!

Please introduce any evidence whatsoever supporting a claim that any of previously named mechanics were in any way widespread or common.

[quido]

I really have no idea what that figure actually should be, but I think saying less than 1% of classic EQ players knew of multiquesting is completely ludicrous

say what you mean

[Argh]

Please introduce any evidence whatsoever supporting a claim that any of previously named mechanics were in any way widespread or common.

MQ epics/item recharging was available/known to more than 99% of classic live.

You couldn't walk through EC without running into sub-level 10 traders in their custom velious crowns.

People sold Rogue epic MQs, Skyshrine quest armor MQs, Kael quest armor MQs, all the time on live.

[Thulack]

Velious armor was MQ tons on lower level toons because there was no level restrictions on the clickies. Nothing like a level 25 necro running around with a robe that had conjure corpse clickie.

[Duckwalk]

MQ epics/item recharging was available/known to more than 99% of classic live.

You couldn't walk through EC without running into sub-level 10 traders in their custom velious crowns.

People sold Rogue epic MQs, Skyshrine quest armor MQs, Kael quest armor MQs, all the time on live.

Maybe in very late Velious. Certainly not through classic Kunark and the majority of Velious. The constricted timeline alone prevented top guilds from fully fearing their own let alone selling MQ in game.

Similiarly, boxing occured occasionally in top guilds but was almost never seen among the casual player base.

FoH, LoS, BotS, Afterlife, made up what percent of their total server population? And even among them, my memory of classic was that lots of these mechanics were not widely shared until much later in the timeline even between guildmembers.

Is 1% an estimate? Sure, but it conveys my point that many of these mechanics were much less prevalent than other insist.

[maskedmelon]

JBoots were always MQ'd too. Everybody knew that :P Whatcha talkin' 'bout Ducks?

[Duckwalk]

JBoots were always MQ'd too. Everybody knew that :P Whatcha talkin' 'bout Ducks?

Yeah MQ of jboots was pretty common. I guess I'm talking about MQ of epics and Other high end items till much later in the time line.

[Daldaen]

Outlawing MQ sales would probably make it much easier for RMT to take place, because every MQ transaction would then have no corresponding plat transaction, whereas now only RMT and guildbank/friend MQs have no plat trail.

I dont follow your logic on how outlawing it make RMT easier.

I'm sure people buy RMT epics already... In which case no play exchange happens anyways.

Currently MQs happen:
RMT - No plat exchange
Guildies/Friends - No plat exchange
MQ sale - Large sum of plat given in an empty trade.

Banning MQ sales:
Same as above but no MQ sales. Maybe some lazy people shift to RMT. Maybe some shift to joining guild/making friends. Maybe some start to give away free epic pieces just to help dudes.

Anywho I just thought it would be an interesting change on the server. Seeing less shitsocking Ragefire or pickpocketting rogue GMs or buying pipe MQs. Maybe more people helping others out and offering those MQs for free to be a nice dude.

[Danth]

Anywho I just thought it would be an interesting change on the server. Seeing less shitsocking Ragefire or pickpocketting rogue GMs or buying pipe MQs. Maybe more people helping others out and offering those MQs for free to be a nice dude.

I agree with the purpose of your request....but I sincerely doubt it'd have the desired results. Not here; not with this community. There are just too many folks here who would rather burn everything down than act like decent people. Long story short, you can't fix the server when you have a broken community.

Danth

[Kender]

restrict MQ for epics to 46+ would help somewhat

on live alot of the epic npc's wouldnt even talk to you before level 46, and some not even until you were 50+

[Erica]

When I happen to be in EC, which I try to avoid it seems like I get asked often to do a transfer for someone. I guess I seem very trusting. Should I be telling people no, or is there little to no risk doing their transfer?

I know GMs don't really disclose their methods but if I do a transfer unknowingly for a RMT guy, is that going to burn me as well or is it easy for them to spot the difference?

[Nirgon]

What I'm truly having trouble grasping is why you'd google "project 1999 rmt site" (literally) then buy things from it like Sirken and pals don't also go this route

It gets nailed EVERY TIME

EVERY


TIME

[Tameth]

Rogean, if a petition is flagged for your review do you prefer a 24-hour bump of the thread like Sirken requests? Or is it counterproductive?

[Rais]

It's not too hard to find who is the RMT and who the innocent people are. It just takes time to clear.

[Vmonk85]

When I happen to be in EC, which I try to avoid it seems like I get asked often to do a transfer for someone. I guess I seem very trusting. Should I be telling people no, or is there little to no risk doing their transfer?

I know GMs don't really disclose their methods but if I do a transfer unknowingly for a RMT guy, is that going to burn me as well or is it easy for them to spot the difference?

Taxes. Taxes. TAXES. TAXESSSS.. How does noone realize every ban day happens at Tax Season.

These RMT dudes need to fill out invoices and paperwork for every transaction. I am sure this information is not hard to obtain due to the nature of the situation. They may even be legally obligated to give a copy of the 1099's because they are earning through a institution p99 are running.

I'm sure its not where all the banned accounts come from, but I bet its the majority.

[Rogean]

Taxes. Taxes. TAXES. TAXESSSS.. How does noone realize every ban day happens at Tax Season.

These RMT dudes need to fill out invoices and paperwork for every transaction. I am sure this information is not hard to obtain due to the nature of the situation. They may even be legally obligated to give a copy of the 1099's because they are earning through a institution p99 are running.

I'm sure its not where all the banned accounts come from, but I bet its the majority.

Um, no...

[Vmonk85]

Ok, but seriously though. I'm not saying its aliens... , but its Aliens.

[orsk]

Rogean, if a petition is flagged for your review do you prefer a 24-hour bump of the thread like Sirken requests? Or is it counterproductive?

this

[Naprox]

So if a crack dealer moved into your neighborhood and started a fairly lucrative ring, do you think that the problem would go away after he got arrested?
The answer is no. There are now crack addicts living in your neighborhood. They want crack. They may get arrested, but they'll be back out. Then they will want more crack. There will always be a dealer for them as long as they want it. Someone else will move in once they realize there is a demand for their product.
Now, if everyone in your neighborhood decided that they were going to absolutely abstain from the crack, then the dealer would have just moved on and went somewhere else. The problem is both the dealer and the people buying. But the solution can only come from the people. Just stop buying!

Put a bullet into the back of both their skulls and then go back to drinking coffee.

[Naprox]

this "RMT guy" has seen 4 different banns of 300+ accounts and yet I still have several hundred k pp on each server . tons if fungi's on each server.. feels good to be innocent.....

Yes Clark, we all know you're smarter than Rogean so you haven't been caught yet.

[kaev]

Yes Clark, we all know you're smarter than Rogean so you haven't been caught yet.

Clark = Knightt?

[quido]

Clark = Armani

Knightt = Nocsucow

let's get our low-IQ RMTers straight here ok

[Doil_Boil]

Taxes. Taxes. TAXES. TAXESSSS.. How does noone realize every ban day happens at Tax Season.

These RMT dudes need to fill out invoices and paperwork for every transaction. I am sure this information is not hard to obtain due to the nature of the situation. They may even be legally obligated to give a copy of the 1099's because they are earning through a institution p99 are running.

I'm sure its not where all the banned accounts come from, but I bet its the majority.

Why would anyone ever report their RMT income? Much less these guys that are probably on disability/public assistance.

[Nocsucow]

Clark = Armani

Knightt = Nocsucow

let's get our low-IQ RMTers straight here ok

> not banned......

[maskedmelon]

Why would anyone ever report their RMT income? Much less these guys that are probably on disability/public assistance.

I agree people are not going to report every bit of income from trivial sources, but this is a legitimate business for these people and even if they fail to report it that does not mean that a disgruntled customer wouldn't report it to the IRS.

Reporting all earned income, regardless of source is a federal requirement and the IRS awards 1/3 of recovered revenues to informants. (Google it ^^) Running a business without reporting earned income when filing taxes is just begging for an audit and all the fun of ensuing fines, penalties and garnishments that come along with it :/

Criminals don't generally worry about it because their clients generally remain silent out of fear of reprisal on one hand and prosecution on the other. In a perfectly legal business setting like this one their is no incentive to remain silent.

[quido]

> not banned......

log on your 60 iksar SK on blue and prove it

[Argh]

http://i.imgur.com/3LKYkjf.png

[Itap]

It's definitely sad that people will spend actual money on this game (minus the occasional donation, of course). Don't you have better things to spend your money on?