How to stop Fungi Twink PKs

[Voland]

Here are some thoughts I had...most of them involve programming changes - I would love to hear more ideas on how players themselves could address the issue.

1) Add minimum level requirement to some items (like Fungus Tunic) - this would immediately take away twink's main advantage.

2) Remove PVE XP loss. I think with the red server XP bonus it doesn't matter much anyway, so it wouldn't trivialize the game. This would prevent potential twinks from de-leveling, although it wouldn't stop the existing ones.

3) Remove +4/-4 rule for non-damaging spells (Root/Mez/Blind). This would allow a friendly high level to frustrate a twink and cause him to give up.
Downside - this could be abused too, since some bored high level could sit around and cast it on innocent lowbies.

4) Add racial faction hits for PVP kills. This can slow down some twinks who rely on the local friendly guards to have their back.

5) Have all skills reset to level cap when someone de-levels (not sure, maybe this already happens).

6) Remove server-wide yellow text PVP announcements. This one is debatable - on one hand it will remove YT incentive for twinks, on the other YT gives due credit for proper PVP wins... it also lets potential victims know which areas to avoid.

7) Player Anti-PKs who could provide protection as a service - either out of goodness of their heart, or for a fee.

Let me know what you think!

Voland

[Slathar]

All of these ideas suck and you are an idiot. Hope this feedback is helpful.

[Humerox]

how about you just level past them? you can make 50 in 2-3 weeks on this server even as a casual player.

or how about you avoid the zones that people park PK's in? plenty of other leveling options.

there's no need for all this ballyhoo for a few griefer twinks.

[Nirgon]

Add item loot

Give us a few weeks to make kill squads =D

[vouss]

Great post. I agree strongly with your post about xp-loss. Xp bonus is ridiculously high, 1-59 is a joke and players don't learn anything before they are in range to BiS players who have been here for years. Death penaltys from both PvE and PvP are a joke, removing the final "penalties" would make it less of a joke and a real thing. +1 for no more fungi twinks.

[Humerox]

add item loot and watch playerbase plummet back to double digits.

u know this Nirgon

[Akalakamelee]

Add item loot

Give us a few weeks to make kill squads =D

Yes please!

[Akalakamelee]

7) Player Anti-PKs who could provide protection as a service - either out of goodness of their heart, or for a fee.

oh hell no, that crap was dumb enough on live.

[Guido]

Everyone on this forum is now dumber after reading this post

Please think before posting such things on red server, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[Glenzig]

Add item loot up to lvl 30 maybe? Haven't seen a twinked pker past that lvl yet. Probably a bad idea though.

[Bodybagger]

Add item loot up to lvl 30 maybe? Haven't seen a twinked pker past that lvl yet. Probably a bad idea though.

lol so the newbs face the harshest of PVP burdens, item loot, and the high levels already established on server are protected?


GENIUS!

Implement better YT system in conjunction with new /anon/role system which shows lvl and class so people can hunt PVP when they see PVP YT popping up in certain zones. Don't show zone still, but essentially killing in PVP will show your zone to the server and they will know you are obviously looking for some good PVP.

Solid plan through and through.

Item loot just lets fungi twinks loot nebws gear and bag their fungis/plug more/pull hp rings more etc. etc. it is not the holy grail you think it is. I killed fungi twinks on live and never looted a fungi. They just bag and plug on death

[Kafter]

how about you just level past them? you can make 50 in 2-3 weeks on this server even as a casual player.

or how about you avoid the zones that people park PK's in? plenty of other leveling options.

there's no need for all this ballyhoo for a few griefer twinks.

Agree with this 100%.

I'm new to red myself and what I found is that there is a Lower or a Bakingsoda pretty much in any highly populated zone. But I think what new Red99ers fail to remember is that this is a PvP server. You are going to pvp, you are going to die, you may even get griefed, but in 1 hour you can literally get out of their range by exping in a non traditional zone. Think outside the box a little. Stop trying to change everything up and come to the forums crying because you got pvped.

tldr: just play the damn game

[Bodybagger]

I like twink griefers, they are worth LOTS of points... I just want a better way to hunt them more effectively. It is nigh impossible to get a YT on them... plugging buggers

[Akalakamelee]

Agree with this 100%.

I'm new to red myself and what I found is that there is a Lower or a Bakingsoda pretty much in any highly populated zone. But I think what new Red99ers fail to remember is that this is a PvP server. You are going to pvp, you are going to die, you may even get griefed, but in 1 hour you can literally get out of their range by exping in a non traditional zone. Think outside the box a little. Stop trying to change everything up and come to the forums crying because you got pvped.

tldr: just play the damn game

The people that complain, are the ones that don't want to leave that area, Blackburrow is better anyways 1-12

[Bodybagger]

Blackburrow is my jam. Don't come there or you will be killed by my non twink newbs. Have a wizard and bard coming up through there sometime soon, luckily you just missed my ranger.

I remember on RZ AE'ing everyone In BB group on my wiz repeatedly and claiming I didn't know it hit them... lulz... so much chaos and dead gnolls and newbs... if it wouldn't be such a waste, or if BB was more populated, I'd park a naked wizard there for lulz

[Nirgon]

I will bet you my retirement that if item loot is put in I will either get one of the fungi twinks' tunics or they will stop showing up

Whatever raw hide leggings or w/e they get is really of no consequences

Not to mention lots of resist gear is EXTREMELY EASY to replace

People played bagged up on RZ all the time and this wasn't a problem

Oh man I can't be afk with my cloak of flames I better quit

[Glenzig]

lol so the newbs face the harshest of PVP burdens, item loot, and the high levels already established on server are protected?


GENIUS!

Implement better YT system in conjunction with new /anon/role system which shows lvl and class so people can hunt PVP when they see PVP YT popping up in certain zones. Don't show zone still, but essentially killing in PVP will show your zone to the server and they will know you are obviously looking for some good PVP.

Solid plan through and through.

Item loot just lets fungi twinks loot nebws gear and bag their fungis/plug more/pull hp rings more etc. etc. it is not the holy grail you think it is. I killed fungi twinks on live and never looted a fungi. They just bag and plug on death

Well see! I told you it was probably a dumb idea. At least I got that part right.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Try to get their hp to 0 without yours getting there first.

Yw

[Bodybagger]

Try to get their hp to 0 without yours getting there first.

Yw

I have yet to perfect this... I seem to get their HP under mine.. then they run for ZL and plug... or zone out and sit and come back for more... just can't ever finish them off it seems...

[fred schnarf]

How to stop fungi twink pks

Dont play

[Kergan]

All of these ideas suck and you are an idiot. Hope this feedback is helpful.

lol

[vouss]

Yaeah that's an awful idea

[HippoNipple]

I will bet you my retirement that if item loot is put in I will either get one of the fungi twinks' tunics or they will stop showing up

Whatever raw hide leggings or w/e they get is really of no consequences

Not to mention lots of resist gear is EXTREMELY EASY to replace

People played bagged up on RZ all the time and this wasn't a problem

Oh man I can't be afk with my cloak of flames I better quit

Fungi twinks could easily alter their play style to never die. If they are dieing they are taking too much risk with the current no penalty on death. If a twink is in the 10-30 range pulling a couple hp items or using manastone would fix any chance of them losing an item.

Right now in MM some twinks die occasionally but it is them running into a group of 6 and staying into the fight way longer than they would if there was item risk. If you checked out the leveling scene 1-50 right now you would notice a lot of players with good gear that would still be wiped out by an epic fungi rogue. If a player is losing froglock crowns, resist jewelry, mithril pieces, etc. it is going to hurt.

If item loot was in being a level 30 twink in MM would be a blast. Have CoF/80+hp ring and possibly manastone to avoid lootable deaths. Steal about 10k worth of gear a night. Then you would really see people leveling up in rags. Would be worth it to sweep some zones with a level 60 druid/30 epic rogue just to make money for sure.

[Kergan]

Fungus isn't really the problem it's the goddamn ragebringers. My SK is twinked out in the best items money can buy and I have 0 chance at killing a similarly geared ragebringer rogue ~30. Was in MM the other day and we had a legit newb shaman healing, RB rogue 3 levels higher than him (like lvl 33/34) took a cleric buffed shaman down from 100% to 17% in one 400+ damage backstab. Shit does more damage than wizard nukes.

There is a reason nearly every single supertwink PK people complain about is a rogue.

[Nirgon]

possibly manastone to avoid lootable deaths.

They'd have to wield that to not lose it. General slots that aren't bags are lootable in item loot system.

Or just be really quick about killing themselves if they ever got close/while blinded.

Still, you're looking at adding another 90k to the cost of an MM twink to have that advantage.

I think we already posted proof that npcs will eat rage bringer turn ins if they aren't 50+.

Everyone who wanted to be an epic pk from my memory had to delvl after obtaining it to do it.

[pgerman]

just give everyone instant level 60 , and only pvp allowed on box is toe to toe melee, no clickies or spells allowed for any class


just press auto attack and start talking shit on forums

[Bodybagger]

They'd have to wield that to not lose it. General slots that aren't bags are lootable in item loot system.

Or just be really quick about killing themselves if they ever got close/while blinded.

Still, you're looking at adding another 90k to the cost of an MM twink to have that advantage.

I think we already posted proof that npcs will eat rage bringer turn ins if they aren't 50+.

Everyone who wanted to be an epic pk from my memory had to delvl after obtaining it to do it.


They use it to suicide to not get item looted, hence no risk to MS loot.

As for a 30 rogue doing a 400+ dmg backstab on a shaman, no that didn't happen. Pretty sure that's well above BS dmg cap and you maybe ate a 300dmg stab+quad... but regardless, what does that have to do with your SK getting rolled by a similarly geared RB rogue? If you have CoF and a good weapon it shouldn't matter... I fought Iool plenty of times with a nathsar greatsword on my SK, and jenky gear, and made him zone several times without dying, on multiple occasions. Don't think he ever got to YT on me, though I never got to YT on him obviously since all he had to do was run away and would regen.

[Kergan]

[Mon Feb 09 20:55:59 2015] Shook backstabs Mengele for 361 points of damage.

So I was exaggerating a tad. But that is more damage than the best level 34 wizard nuke so my point still stands.

And please spare us the "I'm awesome at PVP" crap. Nobody believes a word of what you said.

[HippoNipple]

They'd have to wield that to not lose it. General slots that aren't bags are lootable in item loot system.

Or just be really quick about killing themselves if they ever got close/while blinded.

Still, you're looking at adding another 90k to the cost of an MM twink to have that advantage.

I think we already posted proof that npcs will eat rage bringer turn ins if they aren't 50+.

Everyone who wanted to be an epic pk from my memory had to delvl after obtaining it to do it.

You only risk as much as your most valuable item. Adding a MS when you already have a CoF on still only risks 90k.

[Fame]

go back to blue

[Big_Japan]

All of these ideas suck and you are an idiot. Hope this feedback is helpful.

[Nirgon]

You only risk as much as your most valuable item. Adding a MS when you already have a CoF on still only risks 90k.

still costs another 90k to make that happen

[Bodybagger]

[Mon Feb 09 20:55:59 2015] Shook backstabs Mengele for 361 points of damage.

So I was exaggerating a tad. But that is more damage than the best level 34 wizard nuke so my point still stands.

And please spare us the "I'm awesome at PVP" crap. Nobody believes a word of what you said.

breaking my ignore on you for no reason...


but I'm not awesome at PVP... I'm saying you obviously suck. If you can't handle a rogue in 1v1 lvl 30+ equally geared, then you admittedly suck much worse.

Iool has no kills on me and yet I fought him countless time in Unrest while he would wipe groups he couldn't kill me. I don't plug. I also force him out of zone and to plug a few times. Just facts. Many young newbs saw this all happen. I also fought Combat on his fungi twink rogue in CB on my ranger who has Silver Swiftblade and adamantite band and ivy etched BP only, and he had to zone away form me, as did his in range druid (she was not geared at all I don't think). Obviously if your "best gear money can buy" SK cannot do what my rags SK can do... either I am a lot bette rthan I thought, or you suck a lot more than you though, because I have played the scenario out several times, and any character can contest a fungi twink with simply HP rings and a decent weapon and skills... sorry to burst your bubble buddy. If I had your gear, I would be able to YT the twinks I currently can only force to zone/regen or zone/plug.

You admittedly spend your entire life on red avoiding pvp at all cost anyways I thought? Isn't that why your best gear money can buy SK couldn't meet my rags 15 shaman for PVP when you ran your mouth before I locked you on ignore? Back to ignore for you bluebie scumlord.

[Bodybagger]

still costs another 90k to make that happen

pretty sure 90k is a drop in the bucket for most fungi/cof twinks...

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

God I love no-prof-bolsterquest

[HippoNipple]

breaking my ignore on you for no reason...


but I'm not awesome at PVP... I'm saying you obviously suck. If you can't handle a rogue in 1v1 lvl 30+ equally geared, then you admittedly suck much worse.

Iool has no kills on me and yet I fought him countless time in Unrest while he would wipe groups he couldn't kill me. I don't plug. I also force him out of zone and to plug a few times. Just facts. Many young newbs saw this all happen. I also fought Combat on his fungi twink rogue in CB on my ranger who has Silver Swiftblade and adamantite band and ivy etched BP only, and he had to zone away form me, as did his in range druid (she was not geared at all I don't think). Obviously if your "best gear money can buy" SK cannot do what my rags SK can do... either I am a lot bette rthan I thought, or you suck a lot more than you though, because I have played the scenario out several times, and any character can contest a fungi twink with simply HP rings and a decent weapon and skills... sorry to burst your bubble buddy. If I had your gear, I would be able to YT the twinks I currently can only force to zone/regen or zone/plug.

You admittedly spend your entire life on red avoiding pvp at all cost anyways I thought? Isn't that why your best gear money can buy SK couldn't meet my rags 15 shaman for PVP when you ran your mouth before I locked you on ignore? Back to ignore for you bluebie scumlord.

Sounds like he was just commenting on a rogues burst damage. If you are beating fungi/epic rogues easily in the 12-30 range in crap gear you are the best player on the server.

[Glosk]

I recommend shutting down blue server and force them to red. This will sovle all problems. Thank you.

[Flexin]

item loot would make me so happy, nothing compares to those old rallos days.

[Nirgon]

item loot would make me so happy, nothing compares to those old rallos days.

Would they rather pk lowbies in rags for items with item loot

or high level players in good gear for item loot

[Infectious]

Would they rather pk lowbies in rags for items with item loot

or high level players in good gear for item loot

No. I could see the same losers sitting in cb and deleting peoples leather tunics. If you think a group of people in rags is beating an epic rogue with 140 mr and fungi your crazy. I see people daily ingame and on forums quit over being corpse camped. Could you imagine with item loot?

This server would have 80 people again.

[Formshifter]

The only real solution to this problem is some sort of welfare prostitution program

[Nirgon]

Could you imagine with item loot?


Would lose fungus tunic and quit

Right now there's no pixel incentive for the serious players to go to these lowbie zones

But if you dangle a fungus, I'm sure a more determined effort to get said tunic off the twinks body would succeed

Item loot also gives people a way to pvp to take pixels from the enemy... and having more targets is a good thing

[Akalakamelee]

Would lose fungus tunic and quit

Right now there's no pixel incentive for the serious players to go to these lowbie zones

But if you dangle a fungus, I'm sure a more determined effort to get said tunic off the twinks body would succeed

Item loot also gives people a way to pvp to take pixels from the enemy... and having more targets is a good thing

Also inspires people to be creative and get obscure no drop gear.

Item loot would make the blues who can only PK in fungus leave. We don't want them anyways, they stop red from being the bloodbath that it should be

[Kergan]

So now instead of a fungus you have deleveled rogues in planar gear using shaman heal pots, risking 0 and taking some poor newbs crested spaulders or making them play in shit gear and level slower.

Item loot was a miserable failure on RZ and would be 10x worse here with the elitist 1% having an extra 2 years to do things like create supertwinks.

Debate is old and stale though, item loot will never happen on this server so I don't know why I waste my breath. :)

[Kergan]

breaking my ignore on you for no reason...


but I'm not awesome at PVP... I'm saying you obviously suck. If you can't handle a rogue in 1v1 lvl 30+ equally geared, then you admittedly suck much worse.

Iool has no kills on me and yet I fought him countless time in Unrest while he would wipe groups he couldn't kill me. I don't plug. I also force him out of zone and to plug a few times. Just facts. Many young newbs saw this all happen. I also fought Combat on his fungi twink rogue in CB on my ranger who has Silver Swiftblade and adamantite band and ivy etched BP only, and he had to zone away form me, as did his in range druid (she was not geared at all I don't think). Obviously if your "best gear money can buy" SK cannot do what my rags SK can do... either I am a lot bette rthan I thought, or you suck a lot more than you though, because I have played the scenario out several times, and any character can contest a fungi twink with simply HP rings and a decent weapon and skills... sorry to burst your bubble buddy. If I had your gear, I would be able to YT the twinks I currently can only force to zone/regen or zone/plug.

You admittedly spend your entire life on red avoiding pvp at all cost anyways I thought? Isn't that why your best gear money can buy SK couldn't meet my rags 15 shaman for PVP when you ran your mouth before I locked you on ignore? Back to ignore for you bluebie scumlord.

Why would I waste my time fighting a level 15 shaman? Sorry I don't give enough of a shit about you to come meet you in game, slaughter you and then have to deal with you again on the forums. :)

Again, nobody believes anything you're saying.

[Akalakamelee]

Kergan, your a forum troll. No one cares what you say dude. Either pvp or shut up. Tnx

[Kergan]

I will do neither of those things actually. :)

Gate pot loaded and lizard blood 4 backup.

60 VP geared druid by my side.

Fungus loaded.

u mad?

[Akalakamelee]

I will do neither of those things actually. :)

Gate pot loaded and lizard blood 4 backup.

60 VP geared druid by my side.

Fungus loaded.

u mad?

You don't even play, no one believes you.

[Kergan]

6 lvl 60s and counting, all with under 3 kills on the leaderboard.

:)

[Baugi]

Highly synchronized HT death squad cares not for your vial of swirling suck~

[Akalakamelee]

Kergan is such a waste.

[Gustoo]

Add item loot

This guy is a genius.

[silo32]

So now instead of a fungus you have deleveled rogues in planar gear using shaman heal pots, risking 0 and taking some poor newbs crested spaulders or making them play in shit gear and level slower.

Item loot was a miserable failure on RZ and would be 10x worse here with the elitist 1% having an extra 2 years to do things like create supertwinks.

Debate is old and stale though, item loot will never happen on this server so I don't know why I waste my breath. :)

not the biggest fan of this guy but agree 100%

I played on RZ in its hay day... this pretty much

item loot in a game geared towards items that take an insane time sink is the stupidest idea I have ever heard.

All these people think omg item loot im gonna get a twinks fungi.. no your not you never will stop thinking you will you wont, the entire server will learn to bag gear, wich means less pvp. If anything increase the range back to 8

it was only lowered to promote health now its healthy put it back

lvl 52 was the scariest time here now its a joke pvp here is a joke your all a joke

diagf

[Pseudechis]

I think level range back to 8 would be good.

[BardPop]

Yeah that'd let me run around and massacre low lv 50s with no change to myself.

[Gustoo]

Haha.

It is ez to stop De leveling with a number of strategies. It is also easy to stop certain items from being used by too low level of players...like the rogue epic.

Not hard. It is a very small hurtle to fix entire pvp system from level 1 to 59.

Also on rz epic twinks really started to hit the street way late into velious and people started wearing fungis a lot when they could instant port to POK via books.

Kergan just doesn't want item loot because it messes with his level 60 game. All casuals benefit.

[Genedin]

How to stop fungi twinks.

1. Make sure everyone in your group has pumice or cancel magic spell.
2. Make sure everyone casts it at the same time
3. Win the pvp

[Taffan]

I remember item loot being classic... thats why no-drop items were so high in demand.

[iiNGloriouS]

All of these ideas suck and you are an idiot. Hope this feedback is helpful.

[Squire]

wipe.

item loot.

teams99.

[Daefuin]

Stop whining. I just leveled a brand new char to 30 without dying to a twink. In fact, I didn't see a single "uber twink" that I had to deal with.

Maybe before blaming the system you should re-evaluate your strategy. It may not be the best idea to go where you know there will be problems. It's not like Norrath is lacking locations for people to level in from 1-20.

[LostCause]

not like item loot would stop twinks not hard to get no drop gear and delvl chars.

like everyone is saying just lvl past them alot of places to lvl really dont understand why ppl stick with just MM an unrest at low lvls

[Tassador]

anyone who is dying multiple times to twinks with lns and 1,000,000 zones and 300 players shouldn't be playing on red.

[chrystianvz]

anyone who is dying multiple times to twinks with lns and 1,000,000 zones and 300 players shouldn't be playing on red.

This

[Bodybagger]

I don't die to twinks, I just fight them until they are forced to zone. But not everyone can afford a half decent weapon for their new characters, or if you're playing a caster you just have to gate, there is no option. Even if the twink has 0MR gear you don't have the mana to sustain enough dps to kill them until lvl 30 or so, and usually they have the MR to resist pretty much any and all control spells. But leveling melees against them isn't so bad with some +hp gear and a decent weapon and skills, most of them are very shitty pvp'ers.

That said, it does get stale watching them wipe half my group (clothies) and/or having them interrupt XP flow for no reason, and having them spring in, gank a caster, and the plug to me 1v1 after they gank clothies in zone.... at least take your hard earned YT like a man fungi scumlords. You aren't carrying any money, and there is no item loot. Why are you such weasel that you can't take 1 death earned hard as shit by a rags character who out plays you instead of pulling hp rings or plugging at zone? That is the most pathetic part. You literally have ZERO interest in legit pvp... you take your easy kills and run like hell when you get your shit tossed by some newb... sorry you can't kill a naked ranger with a silver swiftblade, or a rags SK with nathsar greatsword on your epic/fungi rogue and have to run. Shame on you. I'm parking toons at all different level rangers, and as soon as they gear up more you guys won't be evading that YT. Twinks are worth the most points and have the saltiest tears. A lot of 0 death griefers worth 1+pt kills are going to be crying soon.

[Gitem]

I wonder how many of the tards asking for item loot realize that the twink is going to win more often than not and probably do it wearing no drop gear. the dream of zerging a twink and looting that fabled fungi isn't going to happen much if at all. any twink with a fungi can afford gate pots and sow potions. the second that there's a hint of things going pear shaped, that twink is going to run/gate and come back with full hp before your group recovers.

[Bodybagger]

Anyone who played on RZ knows you never got to loot before they bagged, and here with YT and leaderboard, they will plug or gate or pull hp items even quicker, because they care about their fake leaderboard score, not even actually that they enjoy griefing that much I think... they just honestly get something from that fake number, feeling superior to other people, though they truly know they can't PVP for shit against and actually PVP contesting

[fred schnarf]

i played rallos and let me tell you, you just play badly and get them far from a zone, then start playing better, then when they bolt for the zone,,,,


red wood wand and pick your prize

[Voland]

I'm parking toons at all different level rangers, and as soon as they gear up more you guys won't be evading that YT. Twinks are worth the most points and have the saltiest tears. A lot of 0 death griefers worth 1+pt kills are going to be crying soon.

You are my hero!

[Nirgon]

Anyone who played on RZ knows you never got to loot before they bagged

http://s24.postimg.org/cwveojah1/ritewing.jpg

[Bodybagger]

http://s24.postimg.org/cwveojah1/ritewing.jpg

Totally relevant photo in regards to item looting fungi twinks dunking on rags newbs in CB/UR/MM type zones...

Point is item loot doesn't stop or help that in any way., It does however encourage superior high end scumbaggery to fuck players out of gear while you safely rock all kinds of BiS no drop goodies from raiding.

[Kergan]

My best memory of item loot is Xein the Green and I abusing a bug with it to fully loot players corpses when they died in PVP or PVE.

[Nirgon]

Totally relevant photo in regards to item looting fungi twinks dunking on rags newbs in CB/UR/MM type zones...

Point is item loot doesn't stop or help that in any way., It does however encourage superior high end scumbaggery to fuck players out of gear while you safely rock all kinds of BiS no drop goodies from raiding.

Some newbies will suffer losing raw hide, cloth

But when that guy finally loses his fungus... I have this strange feeling that guy isn't going to just keep buying fungis to farm newbies for raw hide and bronze

Esp when there are lvl 60 prey about wearing all kinds of things that you'd expect to see after farming many years of Kunark... and all the afkers/people that forget to bag things..

I just see no better incentive for creating pvp guilds here instead of Velious ready raid guilds than item loot

And honestly if you are THAT MUCH BETTER than everyone else? You'll be running around in full resist/best gear while you stomp the cowards/lesser skilled who will only put on no drop.

It's the REDDEST mechanic this "bluebie" can offer the pvp guilds here. DO IT.

[Kergan]

I would rather see variance than item loot but both are nearly equal in terms of how horrible they are.

[Bodybagger]

You can't add item loot, you'd have to wipe server clean to alter gameplay that much.

I am all for that though... I think it would be awesome to see a server reset on here. I'd be all about it., sure, I'd mix my hard earned gear and everything, but man, with bonus xp and everyone back at lvl 1... can you imagine how much grouping, pvp, and contesting there would be? newb dungeons would be WARZONES. And with itemloot no one would be equipping shit, just prue skill based gameplay for months while people level and gear. Would be so fun... like the diablo 2 progression servers where it reset.

[Gustoo]

Item loot discussion is just for prepping the water for the new pvp server after velious.

[Kergan]

I support item loot on a new server, in classic.

[LostCause]

maybe we'll see a new server in time but velious has to come out first.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I'd quit if item loot was implemented

[fred schnarf]

pic does not show she looted anything, had she looted legs he wouldnt be wearing them

just saying

[Kergan]

Rienne prob best player in EQ history.

[Colgate]

Rienne's muscles bulge with the force of will.

i don't get it

[BardPop]

From what I've seen so far on this thread, not a single one of the people complaining are newbs. The only newb to comment claimed he reached lv 45 so far and has neither him not his crew have been killed yet.

My conclusion: Op is blowing the issue out of proportion with no real basis on fact

[Kergan]

Best way to not get griefed by fungus twinks is to rush to 60 and farm a full set of droppable BiS gear to level all future characters.

Worked for me. :)

[Humerox]

I'd quit if item loot was implemented


most would. an item loot server would see a double digit population. low double digits.

[Bodybagger]

From what I've seen so far on this thread, not a single one of the people complaining are newbs. The only newb to comment claimed he reached lv 45 so far and has neither him not his crew have been killed yet.

My conclusion: Op is blowing the issue out of proportion with no real basis on fact

I'm a newb.... but I push twink faces in on any melee character with a half decent weapon... sooo *Shrug*

Newb=/= automatically awful at pvp. Anyone who has PVP'd on any game and is comfortable and here FOR PVP gameplay can contest a twink just fine, unless you're a sub lvl 30 caster, in which case... you can gate.

Saving up and investing a whole 500-1k plat in a your melee characters who can't gate isn't hard though. Twin adamantite bands> 5ac 55hp rings against melee twinks and are cheaper, and a 2h weapon that will quickly hit for dmg cap pre lvl 29 isn't that expensive... and dual wield classes that early on mainly just need to invest everything in main hand and get whatever junk offhand is super cheap after that.

My ranger mocks fungi twinks pre lvl 20 already with a whopping 550p invested into him. Most of these players are complete awful nonfactors who zerged to 60 with no intention of PVP, are scared of PVP on their mains, so they roll anonymous alts, twink them with their hoarded pixels and plat, and go kill rags players who are too new and too blue to fight back. Just don't be a pussy and fight them. Don't just sit there and let them kill you. Even if you do 100dmg to them and they drop 600hp and YT you, if oyu have a 6 man group, one of you is either going to YT them or get them low enough to force them to run and plug then you can ZL camp them. Have some fun with it. I love getting a group of bluebie newbs riles up and leading the charge against a twink. It's like a mini raid boss, or a bunch of newbs dropping Fippy Darkpaw in Qeynos lol

[Thyrm]

Rienne prob best player in EQ history.

He had some goog macroquest2 plugins, for sure.

[Old_PVP]

How to stop Fungi Twink PKs?

Answer: Fungi Twink Anti-PKs.

[Bodybagger]

Answer: Fungi Twink Anti-PKs.

Fungi's do zero dps. Look it up. ZERO.


Fungi's don't kill anyone. And don't say anti-PK, that sounds gay as shit. I hate people who call me PK, it makes me want to kill them 700 more times for playing on a PVP server and having to call FoH members PK'ers... we are all PVPer's you morans. GTFO red server with that PK bullshit lol

shit's classic though... but seriously, I fight twinks because it's fun, and because they are worth big points and have the saltiest tears.... not because I'm defending pussy bluebies from getting killed by anyone. I just wanna let yall level up so when I kill you you're worth some money :D

[Darksinga]

Ragebringer level req > Fungi level req.

Such an easy fix...

[Kergan]

He had some goog macroquest2 plugins, for sure.

He might have used it later, not when I played with him in tB. MQ aint helpin' you win BoTB and shit tho you feelers?