Do the red BoTB results reflect on actual skill?

[lite]

Not a flame thread, but rather I'd like to open up the conversation of the BoTB's on this server.

Druid BoTB ....

It in no way shape or form resembled actual world PVP and I am sure it was won by a port bot with the right clickies and spell sequence.

Warrior BoTB ....

Can you even remember who won it ? I think whoever it was had his rune sword proc like 5 times in a row and had a shitty line up that launched him to the front.

Monk BoTB ....

I think the only decent match was the one between Colgate and Gongshow where Gongshow lost by 1% because Colgate was an Iksar which gave him Fungi like regen and a ton of AC. Had Gongshow himself been an Iksar based on the match's duration it is calculated he would have had about 15% more HP than Colgate at least.

Also the event operated off of fist PVP, instead of 2 hand blunt which is what every monk fight ever consists of. I think Colgate was the only person that actually practiced hand to hand for a few weeks prior to the event, not sure anyone else took it serious.

(Nothxu beat Nizzar) lol ...

Gongshow thought this BoTB was such a joke, he flat out deleted his human monk and rerolled Iksar.

Rogue BoTB ....

Boulderquest/Poison RNG luck...nothing to do with actual backstab management placement. possibly one of the worst.

Bard BoTB ....Because of VP gear, Tune the winner of the BoTB was working with about twice the poison resist I did. Him and I laughed about how he resisted every one of my 12 Denon's, and he landed every single one of his.

Tune is a pal of mine, but I think it would be a good fight now that we have similar poison resist and there's a 50 Poison resist threshhold on denon's bereavement.

Cleric BoTB ... I destroyed this BoTB simply because as a bard/enchanter played I had better pet management skills, than the other players who probably had never dealt with a pet in the past. In the end I won because I got good procs, and because I backed Nizzar's pet out of CH range and he didnt have a hot key to back it up.

Go ahead and add whatever other stupid occurrences you witnessed at the BoTB's.

[Pumpkinlatte]

passive-aggressive clown

[Awwalike]

i think the botb was just fine. botb should be done every year though.

a lot of people weren't playing back then or like me, got banned for doing extremely retarded shit and didn't have a character to compete with.

BOTB has to be ran by GMs or people will cry.

[quido]

Do Lite's posts represent coherent thought? Surely, but they are inspired by the grief of a butthurt baby.

[lite]

gongshow fight yeah he would've won with iksar regen,


/thread

we need some properly ran BoTB's

[Nihilist_santa]

Not a flame thread, but rather I'd like to open up the conversation of the BoTB's on this server.

Druid BoTB ....

It in no way shape or form resembled actual world PVP and I am sure it was won by a port bot with the right clickies and spell sequence.

Warrior BoTB ....

Can you even remember who won it ? I think whoever it was had his rune sword proc like 5 times in a row and had a shitty line up that launched him to the front.

Monk BoTB ....

I think the only decent match was the one between Colgate and Gongshow where Gongshow lost by 1% because Colgate was an Iksar which gave him Fungi like regen and a ton of AC. Had Gongshow himself been an Iksar based on the match's duration it is calculated he would have had about 15% more HP than Colgate at least.

Also the event operated off of fist PVP, instead of 2 hand blunt which is what every monk fight ever consists of. I think Colgate was the only person that actually practiced hand to hand for a few weeks prior to the event, not sure anyone else took it serious.

(Nothxu beat Nizzar) lol ...

Gongshow thought this BoTB was such a joke, he flat out deleted his human monk and rerolled Iksar.

Rogue BoTB ....

Boulderquest/Poison RNG luck...nothing to do with actual backstab management placement. possibly one of the worst.

Bard BoTB ....Because of VP gear, Tune the winner of the BoTB was working with about twice the poison resist I did. Him and I laughed about how he resisted every one of my 12 Denon's, and he landed every single one of his.

Tune is a pal of mine, but I think it would be a good fight now that we have similar poison resist and there's a 50 Poison resist threshhold on denon's bereavement.

Cleric BoTB ... I destroyed this BoTB simply because as a bard/enchanter played I had better pet management skills, than the other players who probably had never dealt with a pet in the past. In the end I won because I got good procs, and because I backed Nizzar's pet out of CH range and he didnt have a hot key to back it up.

Go ahead and add whatever other stupid occurrences you witnessed at the BoTB's.

Perhaps Eq is not the game for you. You should try WoW everyone is on equal footing there and would cater to your "PVP only" style.

[lite]

Perhaps Eq is not the game for you. You should try WoW everyone is on equal footing there and would cater to your "PVP only" style.

did, multi gladiator on BG9 and Nightfall.

[Amplitude]

Lite is actually right

[Amplitude]

Lite's a better guild leader than Colgate

can see the jealousy in every post

[Nihilist_santa]

did, multi gladiator on BG9 and Nightfall.

Thats cute. I made Warlord/High Warlord forget the exact title whichever was highest back before the game went to crap and turned into world of welfare and made everything boringly equal.

[lite]

Colgate triple post :P

http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac303/elfprincessarcher/morganfreemanhemad.jpg

[snufzaimoverlord]

BoTB and PvP in general only count if Azrael wins.

[lite]

Thats cute. I made Warlord/High Warlord forget the exact title whichever was highest back before the game went to crap and turned into world of welfare and made everything boringly equal.

hahahha pre arena titles, lol.

please stop, i am gonna pee myself.

you could literally farm those titles like honor, meant nothing lol.

[lite]

http://chompsy.com/pictures/oh-he-mad.jpg

[Amplitude]

Lite's a better guild leader than Colgate

can see the jealousy in every post

[Nihilist_santa]

hahahha pre arena titles, lol.

please stop, i am gonna pee myself.

you could literally farm those titles like honor, meant nothing lol.

You mean back when class mattered and gear options were not the same?:rolleyes: You must have been late to that game as well...

[snufzaimoverlord]

I don't think I've ever heard Colgate rustled tbh.

[lite]

You mean back when class mattered and gear options were not the same?:rolleyes: You must have been late to that game as well...



love all these "high bugurgle warlords" that got stuck at challenger / rival.

Seems fitting that I don't know who you are on red.

[Nihilist_santa]

You act like these games require some kind of skill yet you are making excuses for every loss of yours even claiming your gear was not up to par in the BoTB. Not like you did not know that going into it. I guess you needed a gear rating to know that though lulz

[lite]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e6/e6362a6d3f2a5dfd4d49affba56088dd2cf89ecce966476976 014dae6f73c09f.jpg

[Rompar]

Pretty sure 3v3 arena in WoW required quite a bit of skill to get good at.

Getting that 2700 achieve felt goog.

[Nihilist_santa]

I played 3s and 2s as a mage with RMP or RM. This is EQ who gives a shit. If he wants a game built around casual even matches go back to WoW and stop shitting up this server. Typical 3rd worlder comes here and wants to change our way of life :P

[lite]

Pretty sure 3v3 arena in WoW required quite a bit of skill to get good at.

Getting that 2700 achieve felt goog.

pras!

what classes?

wanna touch purple armored drakes?

[Rompar]

pras!

what classes?

wanna touch purple armored drakes?

Multi Classed Rogue/Mage/Lock/Ret 2400+ in 3v3 last season and two different hunters to 2750+

Too immersed in EQ atm to touch any drakes. My hunter is still only lvl 98 ;p

[lite]

Multi Classed Rogue/Mage/Lock/Ret 2400+ in 3v3 last season and two different hunters to 2750+

Too immersed in EQ atm to touch any drakes. My hunter is still only lvl 98 ;p

pras, see that's why I gave you that telescope. I knew something was special <3

[iiNGloriouS]

I don't think I've ever heard Colgate rustled tbh.

I have. It's called throwing away 3 divine rapiers away to make the enemy team win an unwinnable game.

I was laughing hard as hell. May our mmr RIP

[Ele]

Cleric BoTB ... I destroyed this BoTB simply because as a bard/enchanter played I had better pet management skills, than the other players who probably had never dealt with a pet in the past. In the end I won because I got good procs, and because I backed Nizzar's pet out of CH range and he didnt have a hot key to back it up.

Go ahead and add whatever other stupid occurrences you witnessed at the BoTB's.

The use of dragon teeth to make pets, dawnfires, and anti-undead spells.

lol

[BardPop]

Ought to run botb the same way they did on real eq, we got some custom rules here that didn't exist for their botbs. Just sayin.

[Sear]

BOTBs/duels are a better representation of "player skill" than world pvp. Positioning close enough to a zoneline to plug or batphone in cavalry isn't representative of much of anything.

Also did you cast any nukes with your Cleric in the BOTB? Be honest.

We had a no clickies rule on the VZTZ BOTBs. I can't believe they allowed them here. They should run another BOTB in 2015 when some of the players who don't have 80 hours a week to invest in emulated Everquest have caught up to the level cap.

[Ele]

Also did you cast any nukes with your Cleric in the BOTB? Be honest.

Red Cleric BotB was FUBAR. Combatants received dragon teeth to spawn a skeleton pet, which then opened the door to combatants using Dawnfires and Undead Nukes.


We had a no clickies rule on the VZTZ BOTBs. I can't believe they allowed them here.

Clickies were generally not allowed in the P99 BotBs unless specifically allowed in the rules that we could locate for the original BotBs back in 2000-2001.

i.e. druids could use drones of doom bracers

P99 staff made additional non-classic changes such as disallowing Blackstone Maul. Monk epic/robe clicks were allowed on the grounds that the original BotB video recap showed monks running around with the casting animation.

[Darksinga]

Bard BOTB with denons chain landing in comparison to Monk BOTB with room to out joust your opponent isn't a fair comparison. Throwing in the fact that you could only use fists, nearly every one is on a similar playing field.

Not defending Lite here but I def see how he would want a re match.

With that being said, no good bard should go into a 1v1 against another bard with a drum.

[Buhbuh]

these threads are so painful

jesus

[Steel Warrior]

What culture is Lite from where it makes sense to try to simultaneously whine and brag?

[Modus]

gongshow fight yeah he would've won with iksar regen,

/thread

we need some properly ran BoTB's

Are you seriously suggesting that every non-iksar monk be given regen, to make the BoTB more fair? Should every Ogre SK be given regen? Should Dwarf Rogues be changed to Barbarian?

Dumb.

[Swish]

Not a flame thread

[Rekrul]

Are you seriously suggesting that every non-iksar monk be given regen, to make the BoTB more fair? Should every Ogre SK be given regen? Should Dwarf Rogues be changed to Barbarian?

Dumb.

No, he's saying factors like these make it an ambiguous representation of skill, but really it just is what it is, eq will never be balanced and fair.

Leading large scale pvp against a similar force and coming out the victor earns you a crown in my book, not 1v1, and not leading a zerg blob

[Ele]

There is skill in choosing the best race.

[pgerman]

eq arena pvp is boring to say the least, environment is the only thing that makes it remotely fun.


Could care less about arena fights, no depth at all



gear, ping, slight amount of jousting , which R-n-G usually determines anyway


EQ pvp doesnt take "that" much skill and is based on a few factors which tip the scales greatly.

Fun , none the less, but the skill factor involved isnt huge. Esp in arena fights.

[Jimmybones]

Are you trying to diminish the accomplishments of the GRANDMASTER?

[Drewciferss]

if a BotB was done on red i think it would show allot more skill of the players than in normal pvp. mainly i say this because the screen draggers wouldnt be able to get away with it and you know who you are. so i say do a BotB on red id like to see it and participate in it

[Duckwalk]

Should have a cross server botb

[Kergan]

Blue would get rekt, just like the blue servers got rekt on live with a huge gear advantage. Here red actually has a gear advantage. Thrilla best geared character on the emu.

[heals4reals]

Anyone but sirken plz

[Glenzig]

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Leading large scale pvp against a similar force and coming out the victor earns you a crown in my book, not 1v1, and not leading a zerg blob

So what is "large scale", and what is a "zerg blob"? Need some definite numbers because this sentence seems to contradict itself pretty badly.

[Kergan]

BotB kinda dumb, Test of Tactics is the next event.

[Duckwalk]

Blue would get rekt, just like the blue servers got rekt on live with a huge gear advantage. Here red actually has a gear advantage. Thrilla best geared character on the emu.

Then red should push for it. Would probably bring more people to red also.

[Kergan]

How would it do that?

[Eslade]

So what is "large scale", and what is a "zerg blob"? Need some definite numbers because this sentence seems to contradict itself pretty badly.

zerg blob to me is when you have about 1.6x more players than the other side most of the time.

[Kergan]

Azrael routinely lost to Nihilum with close even (+/- 10%) numbers.

Discuss.

[Eslade]

Azrael routinely lost to Nihilum with close even (+/- 10%) numbers.

Discuss.

no.

[Doors]

Another troll thread by lite. He will make videos of 1v1ing someone with raid buffs but when it's done inside of the BotB tournament, it doesn't count.

Anyone else remember when his A team got smoked in TNF?

[Eslade]

Another troll thread by lite. He will make videos of 1v1ing someone with raid buffs but when it's done inside of the BotB tournament, it doesn't count.

Anyone else remember when his A team got smoked in TNF?

http://memecrunch.com/meme/INA7/you-salty-bro/image.png

[MavstabYoudead]

Another troll thread by lite. He will make videos of 1v1ing someone with raid buffs but when it's done inside of the BotB tournament, it doesn't count.

Anyone else remember when his A team got smoked in TNF?

he had very few buffs when he curb stomped you.

it's already been established the TNF team was far from the "A team" plus you guys had to use a CH clicky item.

[Macdeth]

Does "reflect an actual EQ pvp" mean that the botb will be held in a newbie zone where a twink alt and an oor healer will chase your lvl 10 ass around until you gate?

[Glenzig]

zerg blob to me is when you have about 1.6x more players than the other side most of the time.

But a guild that recruits new players and non bis geared players will always have more members. Not a knock against either side, just a reality. Plus some people just actually genuinely want to play in a guild with more than 10-30 other people. Some don't.

[Kergan]

Just bring back shaman and wizard BoTBs so Burgerking can lose in both.

p.s. what happened to Burgerking

[karsten]

brainbutter

[Littlegyno 13.0]

http://i.imgur.com/hR4GJsx.jpg

[fred schnarf]

Just bring back shaman and wizard BoTBs so Burgerking can lose in both.

p.s. what happened to Burgerking

this is funny lol

[Kergan]

I heard a rumor he got booted from Azrael?

[HippoNipple]

As Azrael slips in end game PvE relevance Lite is desperately clinging to PvP to help his self esteem before it completely evaporates. If the videos were not enough now he is campaigning to get others to agree with him that best of the best don't matter because they are arena type matches while bragging about his WoW arena style victories in the same thread.

Seeing someone pour this much emotion and frustration on the forums is what makes a good thread. A+ Lite.

[Kergan]

Variance?

Discuss.

[Clark]

Thats cute. I made Warlord/High Warlord forget the exact title whichever was highest back before the game went to crap and turned into world of welfare and made everything boringly equal.

lol