i dont always start threads, but when i do

[heartbrand]

That's not even really true though, Sickpuppy - you have tons of warm bodies. They're just the people that disappear at the first sign of a struggle and turn your 40 people into 20-25.

ya no warm bodies @ all in azrael <cough> pudge < cough > bamzal

[MavstabYoudead]

ya no warm bodies @ all in azrael <cough> pudge < cough > bamzal

yet they'd still be in the top 30% PVP wise in your guild, weird.

[quido]

Heard yesterday that a number of Azrael members think Mavstab is retarded and wish he would shut up.

[MavstabYoudead]

Heard yesterday that a number of Azrael members think jeremy/Edward is retarded and wish he would shut up.

FIFY

[quido]

lol ok bubba =)

[MavstabYoudead]

and when I said number I mean anyone that's ever interacted with you, period. was the same thing on the blue server.

[heartbrand]

yet they'd still be in the top 30% PVP wise in your guild, weird.


Name Rank Class Kills Deaths Ratio Streak Points Guild
Pudge 1741 2 2 1.00 0 4.51 Azrael


Name Rank Class Kills Deaths Ratio Streak Points Guild
Bamzal 1225 7 3 2.33 4 5.30 Azrael


vry active pvp'ers

[MavstabYoudead]

they aren't even playing right now as far as I know, what's your point? again they'd be in the top 30% of PVP'ers in your guild in terms of knowing how to PVP.

[quido]

That's not even true, Madstab. In fact, I yesterday heard from multiple core (unlike you) Azrael members how much they miss me =)

Also, Pudge and Bamzal are playing any time there's a shot at uncontested pixels.

[MavstabYoudead]

That's not even true, Madstab. In fact, I yesterday heard from multiple core (unlike you) Azrael members how much they miss me =)

post some screenshots pal. we'll wait. all you did was log in for pixels or play on your fungi twink alts killing lowbies, which is what azrael is accused of doing now.

[quido]

I don't go around screenshotting every compliment I receive from pals.

[MavstabYoudead]

I don't go around screenshotting every compliment I receive from pals.

have not heard one positive thing mentioned about you since I've been back, but carry on. we all believe you.

[Gitem]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/58850364.jpg

[quido]

Yeah complimenting Jeremy in Azrael TS probably not the most popular activity lately. Nonetheless, most of the Azrael core with 3-digit IQs still love and appreciate me (and me them!)

[Akalakamelee]

Mass recruiting on a server this size and meant for pvp will eventually kill it. We need smaller guilds and more of them. simple math here pals.

If you have a guild of say 100 on a server of 300, you have taken away 1/3 of your targets for pvp. Now take that same guild, Even by breaking it in half you double your targets. You can see the effect simply by looking at last night's pvp in KC. Fresh is doing its own thing now, so instead of holo vs az as it always was, you had a 3 way battle which at least according to fresh was a blast. Zergs do hurt the server, specifically on a pvp server. it also makes people not want to join smaller guilds until they are geared if at all.

Holo and AZ should ask themselves, do they really enjoy fighting the same guys over and over, or do they want new blood? If you want new blood then take the initiative and make the change.

[heartbrand]

there's plenty of people outside of holo capable of contesting. imagine if Fresh and AZ teamed up, if AZ actually recruited, if Suave allied with someone for PVP, etc., etc. it's just that every1 is more content to not lose rather than try to win.

[quido]

Red could be fucking awesome if there wasn't so much god damn posturing.

[Bodybagger]

If group ports became available at 16 sow you might see a lot more use out of befallen and najena, BB or Kurns

yeah, it's too bad all races in the game start on such a small and overcrowded continent.......


Boy I sure do wonder how all of those other races made it over there in the first place without the ability to get group ports til lvl 30?

Duck, you made decent points until this. Then you said this.... and it was the dumbest shit argument against twinks I have ever heard.

I level in Najena, I level in sol a/b, I level in blackburrow, hell I am going to make a run at runyeye and paw soon I think. Make a group and go do something instead of walking into the PVP hotspots on the server and crying?

Seriously... there are so many great zones to level and you moron newbs can't just enjoy the insane XP bonus but also have to go for CB>UR>MM rout for max ZEM speed grinding... for what? If you don't like fihgitng twinks, what makes oyu think you'll like fihgitng lvl 40+ twinks? People like you will only have more HP to be able to gate with. You are blue. You don't want pvp. You refuse to learnt o fight back or retreat, and in the RED box, those are your options. Those are the rules the 60's play buy, the raiders play by, everyone plays by. If you don't like those rules, go play blue and use their rules.

I don't like twink griefers either, I think they are lame, but, it's a fun challenge... it's like a lvl 20-30 raid dropping a fungi twink, only it's PVP. I cut my teeth on fungi twinks in my rags, never called LnS and kept coming back for more. Now when I PVP regular people it is almost sad because 90% still cry... no one enjoys it because they came here to be BLUE. Don't call me a PK bitch, this is a PVP server. We are all PK's.

THIS IS RED 99. THERE IS NO OPTION TO HAND IN YOUR TOME OF DISCORD. YOU WERE BORN RED. YOU WILL DIE RED. AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, GO BE BLUE.

[heartbrand]

some of the best pvp fights ive been a part of were shameless bind rushing 3 hour events. yet the other team now is only interested in who can secure the most kills at the end, content losing the actual battle and plugging in order to preserve meaningless kdr in a MMO. if people would just pvp it would be a lot more fun. i miss the sol b fights in classic between nilly and holo where people would bind on the ledge and just shamelessly fight over and over each time they spawned, sometimes only having the chance to loot their weapon.

[Duckwalk]

not sure how you got that from what I typed. if you expect to just show up at raids and hit a few buttons and loaf around without paying attention azrael isn't for you. if you show up, listen, contribute value then you'll be welcomed without a doubt. clear?

Well I apologize if I've misunderstood you but what I've taken from the majority of your posts is:

1. Azrael wants good/elite players/ pvp'ers
2. With gear
3. At 60
4. To form a tight nit guild

Sorry but expecting that to come to you without doing any work on the front end (teaching people how to be better at pvp, helping them gear, helping them level) is ridiculous considering the alleged actions and public persona your guild puts forth.

You attract more flies with honey rather than griefing them with twinks while they level or harass and taunt less skilled pvp in ooc.

If you can't see how off putting your guild can be despite someone's interest in exactly what you claim to practice, namely top level organized play in all facets of the game, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Bodybagger]

<Flowers of Happiness>

If you will engage in PVP willingly we will invite you. You don't need gear. You don't need to be any good. Just be on a PVP server to PVP.

If you stick around and make friends we will probably help you a lot more than we should. Lots of great people and lots of lulz... playing guilded as FoH is almost like playing a different box than other guilds. I don't know if any other guild has as much actual fun playing the game as we do... don't let their pixels or leaderboard kill/death ratios fool you. These guys are almost never having fun. As confirmed by their ooc and forum crying.

Free Koolaid.

[MavstabYoudead]

Well I apologize if I've misunderstood you but what I've taken from the majority of your posts is:

1. Azrael wants good/elite players/ pvp'ers
2. With gear
3. At 60
4. To form a tight nit guild

Sorry but expecting that to come to you without doing any work on the front end (teaching people how to be better at pvp, helping them gear, helping them level) is ridiculous considering the alleged actions and public persona your guild puts forth.

You attract more flies with honey rather than griefing them with twinks while they level or harass and taunt less skilled pvp in ooc.

If you can't see how off putting your guild can be despite someone's interest in exactly what you claim to practice, namely top level organized play in all facets of the game, then I don't know what to tell you.

Not the case at all nor have I ever stated that. We don't want people who think they can show up and afk at raids and just wait until the NPC is there to pay some attention. We've helped plenty of new recruits 46+ with no gear level up, get their epics, resist gear, teach them along the way etc because they want to learn how to PVP.

Not sure why the griefing with twinks is only attributed to azrael every guild has them.

If people believe everything they read on the forums then more power to them. I'd prefer someone that gets to know all the guilds in game and then makes a rational decision based on first hand observations.

[Duckwalk]

yeah, it's too bad all races in the game start on such a small and overcrowded continent.......


Boy I sure do wonder how all of those other races made it over there in the first place without the ability to get group ports til lvl 30?

Duck, you made decent points until this. Then you said this.... and it was the dumbest shit argument against twinks I have ever heard.

I level in Najena, I level in sol a/b, I level in blackburrow, hell I am going to make a run at runyeye and paw soon I think. Make a group and go do something instead of walking into the PVP hotspots on the server and crying?

Seriously... there are so many great zones to level and you moron newbs can't just enjoy the insane XP bonus but also have to go for CB>UR>MM rout for max ZEM speed grinding... for what? If you don't like fihgitng twinks, what makes oyu think you'll like fihgitng lvl 40+ twinks? People like you will only have more HP to be able to gate with. You are blue. You don't want pvp. You refuse to learnt o fight back or retreat, and in the RED box, those are your options. Those are the rules the 60's play buy, the raiders play by, everyone plays by. If you don't like those rules, go play blue and use their rules.

I don't like twink griefers either, I think they are lame, but, it's a fun challenge... it's like a lvl 20-30 raid dropping a fungi twink, only it's PVP. I cut my teeth on fungi twinks in my rags, never called LnS and kept coming back for more. Now when I PVP regular people it is almost sad because 90% still cry... no one enjoys it because they came here to be BLUE. Don't call me a PK bitch, this is a PVP server. We are all PK's.

THIS IS RED 99. THERE IS NO OPTION TO HAND IN YOUR TOME OF DISCORD. YOU WERE BORN RED. YOU WILL DIE RED. AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, GO BE BLUE.

My only point about ports was traveling at low levels is much harder than it is at higher levels. It's a lot easier for people to get 1 port and stay in that area than spend lots of time looking/buying ports, especially if they are new and have no money.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm complaining about pvp. Let me set you straight, I'm not. Ive leveled up several characters past 30 in the short time I've been here. I get killed on a daily basis. I try to learn and get better. I bind close and try not to run/zone unless it would be giant inconvenience to get my body back. I like pvp and support it.

That said, I myself have never had any interest in killing players pose no threat. And the notion that *most* classes or even groups in rags can compete with fungi twinks is ridiculous.

Seriously, I would love to see someone do a comparison between hp totals/regen of fungi twinks and the total dps of naked caster just to illustrate how exactly how unbalanced that situation is.

The point being that fungi twink are lame and skin to repeatedly bind killing someone. If your going to do it, at least be honest about instead of trying to defend it as legitimate pvp, which it's clearly not.

[Bodybagger]

I can't help but wonder what red99 server would be like if everyone had ONE name that displayed for all character slots....

I think the anonymity is what makes the server such shit. People have alts in other guilds to use them, people have twinks and pretend they don't affiliate with them etc.

Can you imagine if no one had several characters or personas or trolling characters and twinks to hide behind? Not classic at all but oh MAN would that be hilarious. For now Red99 is reflecting in the Red99 forums... and that is a bad thing for server health.

[Bodybagger]

My only point about ports was traveling at low levels is much harder than it is at higher levels. It's a lot easier for people to get 1 port and stay in that area than spend lots of time looking/buying ports, especially if they are new and have no money.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm complaining about pvp. Let me set you straight, I'm not. Ive leveled up several characters past 30 in the short time I've been here. I get killed on a daily basis. I try to learn and get better. I bind close and try not to run/zone unless it would be giant inconvenience to get my body back. I like pvp and support it.

That said, I myself have never had any interest in killing players pose no threat. And the notion that *most* classes or even groups in rags can compete with fungi twinks is ridiculous.

Seriously, I would love to see someone do a comparison between hp totals/regen of fungi twinks and the total dps of naked caster just to illustrate how exactly how unbalanced that situation is.

The point being that fungi twink are lame and skin to repeatedly bind killing someone. If your going to do it, at least be honest about instead of trying to defend it as legitimate pvp, which it's clearly not.

You caught me bro I'm a sick fungi twink with ragebringer.... lulz

I could give a shit less if your naked caster can't PVP. You have GATE for a reason. And bind. At very low levels. The game designers knew you couldn't hold ground and needed to be close by.

Melee classes can take on twinks. They have sustainable DPS, and only need a cheap entry level weapon to put in work on twinks. I have stood my gorund on my SK at lvl 25 with Nathsar Greatsword being my best item, in rags elsewise, and put in work against ragebringing fungi twinks who try and joust backstabs like fools instead of just going toe to toe with me. I've taken on multiple fungi twinks, and very rarely do they kill me, they usually get bored and leave because it's a stalemate when they have to run off to regen hp, and come back for more. I don't get killshots on them much since they can just run off and regen, but with a little help it's possible. All killing me does is bring me back with harmtouch loaded anyways. They fear their K/D ratio dropping so anything dropping their HP rapidly or below 40% will send them squeeling to ZL to plug. Just fight back

Back to my point you dodged... if you can't kill them at 20 what makes you think you can kill them at 40? or 50? Without great gear you will always die. They will always have better gear, and be on a better suited class for sniping kills, because they are dedicated to PVP. You admittedly don't want to engage in PVP so why are you here? To spectate PVP? To enjoy the PVP environment (which you obviously aren't)? I love PVP and actively seek PVP and hate twinks because I see no sport in it and prefer being the underdog... you hate twinks because they are the only people who actively kill people in sub 40 game play. You do not engage in PVP. That's the difference between us.

[Akalakamelee]

Eq pvp alot of the time boils down to simply being smart, picking your battles, and having the right gear and/or spells loaded.
With some quick thinking and maybe a little luck, you will do fine. Fighting a fungi twink with a caster is pointless mostly, never use magic based spells since most twinks focus on MR above all over resists. Always remeber, faction is your friend too

[Bodybagger]

because the goal was to win the mob not to see who got 2:0

leaderboard breads the current "omg my pristine kdr, ill never make the cut on Team Solomid if I die"

I use the leaderboard to check one thing only. To confirm if people PVP or not. Joining flowers of happiness is like the dark brotherhood in Skyrim lol :cool:

I find young savages and ask them to join our band of killers. Look out for dem PK's though, toxic to the server :rolleyes:

[Akalakamelee]

I use the leaderboard to check one thing only. To confirm if people PVP or not. Joining flowers of happiness is like the dark brotherhood in Skyrim lol :cool:

I find young savages and ask them to join our band of killers. Look out for dem PK's though, toxic to the server :rolleyes:

Flowers Crootin

[skitterburst]

wow sirken, your forum posts always get the most views/comments

[PVP Cleric]

If people believe everything they read on the forums then more power to them. I'd prefer someone that gets to know all the guilds in game and then makes a rational decision based on first hand observations.

Here's my opinion, as a very new player to red:

There's basically nothing to learn on the forums at all. 30% of posts are saying one thing, 30% of posts are saying the exact opposite, 30% of posts are pure troll. All of those posts are claiming to be gospel truth. The remaining 10% are a mix of nonsense, cheating accusations, bravado about PVP that happened 6 guilds/3 years/2 boxes ago, or people who actually seem to be making sense (though what good is being sane when everyone else around you is not?).

And the "more power to them" should be going to anyone who could actually weather the storm of trying to learn about the different guilds through first-hand observations without first quitting, killing themselves, or being given a bunch of negative labels that keep any of the guilds from wanting them even if they ever did manage to figure out which one they want to join.

Most of you guys need to relax, take your own opinions with a grain of salt, and put real effort into figuring out what you truly enjoy about playing here and how you can realistically get more of that, rather than shitting all over ooc and the forums and the staff and each other.


Is everything I say true? Almost certainly not. Are all of my perceptions of the situation here correct? I really doubt it. But these are the thoughts that I've had over the course of only like a week playing on red and trying to sift through all the bullshit that's in these forums. Maybe you don't want more players to come here, maybe you don't want a lot of the players who are here already to stick around, maybe you don't want people who have played here in the past to come back... I don't know. But whatever your goals, could any of this possibly be helping?

[PVP Cleric]

All that said, I've had fun leveling up a cleric from scratch. I've gotten handouts from a few helpful people, gotten free ports from friendly druids, grouped with some cool people, and had fun doing so. I haven't been killed by any twinks, which is nice. But I also haven't had any PVP at all, which is disappointing.

I'm just plugging away at levels (and trying to keep my casting skills from being 15 levels behind... what the fuck? I have been in NFP for 4 hours trying to catch them up and I'm not done yet - wtb bonus to skillup rates) and hoping that when I do somehow decide on a guild, there will be a bunch of cool people in it to keep playing with and plenty of mobs and people to fight against.

[Duckwalk]

You caught me bro I'm a sick fungi twink with ragebringer.... lulz

I could give a shit less if your naked caster can't PVP. You have GATE for a reason. And bind. At very low levels. The game designers knew you couldn't hold ground and needed to be close by.

Melee classes can take on twinks. They have sustainable DPS, and only need a cheap entry level weapon to put in work on twinks. I have stood my gorund on my SK at lvl 25 with Nathsar Greatsword being my best item, in rags elsewise, and put in work against ragebringing fungi twinks who try and joust backstabs like fools instead of just going toe to toe with me. I've taken on multiple fungi twinks, and very rarely do they kill me, they usually get bored and leave because it's a stalemate when they have to run off to regen hp, and come back for more. I don't get killshots on them much since they can just run off and regen, but with a little help it's possible. All killing me does is bring me back with harmtouch loaded anyways. They fear their K/D ratio dropping so anything dropping their HP rapidly or below 40% will send them squeeling to ZL to plug. Just fight back

Back to my point you dodged... if you can't kill them at 20 what makes you think you can kill them at 40? or 50? Without great gear you will always die. They will always have better gear, and be on a better suited class for sniping kills, because they are dedicated to PVP. You admittedly don't want to engage in PVP so why are you here? To spectate PVP? To enjoy the PVP environment (which you obviously aren't)? I love PVP and actively seek PVP and hate twinks because I see no sport in it and prefer being the underdog... you hate twinks because they are the only people who actively kill people in sub 40 game play. You do not engage in PVP. That's the difference between us.

Lol, way to take everything so personal. Good for you, you play a melee class and have enough experience/skill to compete with fugu twinks. I've never accused anyone of being a fungi twink. That's not what this is about.

If there was a player who spent all his time seeking out bind locations and bind camping players who couldn't fight back for hours on end, people would be like, "that's pretty fucking gay". Similarly, if someone figured a way around the level restrictions and spent all day killing players way lower level than him, people would be like, " that's pretty lame". Players who only roll in full groups and get every kill off 6v1 ganks then brag about it, people are like, "lol, that's retarded".

But without fail, there remains an outspoken minority that defends fungi twinks killing players in rags a legitimate pvp. Not only do they have massive gear and stat advantages but often experience advantages too.

"It's PVP, deal with it Bluebie"

Am I the only one that sees the irony in self proclaimed Red pvp pros seeking out the most defensless and inexperienced players instead of legitimate competion?

This isn't about complaining, getting players banned or changing the rules. It just about addressing the perception that fungi twinks are legitimate pvp.

[skitterburst]

Here's my opinion, as a very new player to red:

There's basically nothing to learn on the forums at all.

i disagree.. the forums are a great resource for anyone wanting to be an effective member of a grp.
reasons being:

patch notes are posted on forums
bugs are posted on forums
any major announcement by staff is posted on forums
rules are posted on forums

it seems to me that you are reading the wrong posts

[Akalakamelee]

Lol, way to take everything so personal. Good for you, you play a melee class and have enough experience/skill to compete with fugu twinks. I've never accused anyone of being a fungi twink. That's not what this is about.

If there was a player who spent all his time seeking out bind locations and bind camping players who couldn't fight back for hours on end, people would be like, "that's pretty fucking gay". Similarly, if someone figured a way around the level restrictions and spent all day killing players way lower level than him, people would be like, " that's pretty lame". Players who only roll in full groups and get every kill off 6v1 ganks then brag about it, people are like, "lol, that's retarded".

But without fail, there remains an outspoken minority that defends fungi twinks killing players in rags a legitimate pvp. Not only do they have massive gear and stat advantages but often experience advantages too.

"It's PVP, deal with it Bluebie"

Am I the only one that sees the irony in self proclaimed Red pvp pros seeking out the most defensless and inexperienced players instead of legitimate competion?

This isn't about complaining, getting players banned or changing the rules. It just about addressing the perception that fungi twinks are legitimate pvp.

I agree, fungi twinks should never be defended. However they are by those that play them. Usually zerg guilds fixated on raiding and gear. Think I'm wrong? Think back yo guilds like ascending dawn on RZ. You have any idea how many full guardian mega twinks I dealt with? Those same guys usually had high end buffs too.
Point is, the zerglings can't compete so they need gear advantage and buffs to do it.

[Steel Warrior]

EQ Resume GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You confirmed exactly what I already said: you have literally no idea, but you don't let that stop you from making strongly worded definitive statements that are pure speculation. You are begging me for details that you can try to pick apart. Good luck with that.

What I know about you is that you lie about random things like athletics and you pretend you participated in the honors program at a no name state college despite it being brutally obvious that your writing skills are grossly sub par.

You're a buffoon.

[Duckwalk]

Back to my point you dodged... if you can't kill them at 20 what makes you think you can kill them at 40? or 50? Without great gear you will always die. They will always have better gear, and be on a better suited class for sniping kills, because they are dedicated to PVP. You admittedly don't want to engage in PVP so why are you here? To spectate PVP? To enjoy the PVP environment (which you obviously aren't)? I love PVP and actively seek PVP and hate twinks because I see no sport in it and prefer being the underdog... you hate twinks because they are the only people who actively kill people in sub 40 game play. You do not engage in PVP. That's the difference between us.

And to answer your question, I think there is clearly a difference between sub 20 pvp and afterwards. Despite being in rags a higher level caster will have access to a larger mana pool, mobility other utility tools and at least the potential to out dps standard fungi regen.

In the teens I was lucky to be able to off 5 casts. Each resist representing a loss of 20% of my total potential dps or utility.

Obviously, there is a difference between that situation and one in the 40s where you atleast have a larger tool box to work with and potential of doing some damage.

One situation, your effectively worthless in, the other you can atleast attempt to put up a fight.

You insist on claiming I don't like pvp when in reality its not being able to even be a factor that I dislike. At 49, I can atleast cast more than 5ish spells, I can root, shadowstep, have a wider range of dots to cast and access to jboots or other clickes.

But yes, continue to defend pvp where one party essetially fight back.

[skitterburst]

this server needs a "peacekeeper" guild that will fight the darkness that is griefer scum.

EDIT: in fact, it kinda bothers me that there is no strong low-lvl community like on blue... everyone seems to just grind up ASAP and join the raid guilds. but then i guess not many ppl enjoy low levels in this game

[gobletsmashing]

this server needs a "peacekeeper" guild that will fight the darkness that is griefer scum.

EDIT: in fact, it kinda bothers me that there is no strong low-lvl community like on blue... everyone seems to just grind up ASAP and join the raid guilds. but then i guess not many ppl enjoy low levels in this game

It's not too late to start one... sounds like fun. Would be more fun to start a new charater at level 1 with no gear / items / money and level/gear up legit. Also possibly try a RP aspect (like Council of Pestilence) or a racial aspect (All gnomes or all DE's etc).

[Duckwalk]

All you need is a high level druid parked in zone to log in and give out high-level health, damage shields and regen. It would level the playing field atleast.

[Nihilist_santa]

Sorry to keep bringing this up - but the lead GM has recognized / acknowledged / brought to light the fact that 'the Zerg' is now harming the server. Nobody is crying about it. It's being recognized as fact.

He made some clarifications as well. You guys seem to fail to recognize that without the "bluebies" you loathe you would have no server and it would just be the low pop circle jerk no one wanted to play on before.

Also the idea that guild size should be limited is fucking asinine. Maybe in the narco-communist columbia this shit my get swallowed up by the masses but here people realize that those calling for that already have their preferred guild size with BiS toons and all they want to do is bring the server down so they can enjoy things uncontested and continue to grief. Just look at lite's post of him killing sandusky. Dude is dishonest as fuck and thinks it somehow legitimizes his pvp prowess :rolleyes:

[MavstabYoudead]

You confirmed exactly what I already said: you have literally no idea, but you don't let that stop you from making strongly worded definitive statements that are pure speculation. You are begging me for details that you can try to pick apart. Good luck with that.

What I know about you is that you lie about random things like athletics and you pretend you participated in the honors program at a no name state college despite it being brutally obvious that your writing skills are grossly sub par.

You're a buffoon.

accuses me of not knowing your eq history, yet makes accusations bout my RL. then calls me a buffoon. roger that, moran!

[skipdog]

I'm confused. What's the point of this post?

All I see, is a GM with power cultivating drama for absolutely no reason. This post doesn't even say anything. Are you going to do something Sirken?

I just can't even begin to understand the point of this post. Sirken says 'in February, im hoping to get red to a place where it will essentially run it self with assistance from a couple dedicated red guides.' WTF does that mean? What is Sirken's goal? Can somebody please explain it to me?

[Akalakamelee]

Peacekeepers guild... oh noes! Reminds me of anti-PK guilds on rallos.

[quido]

moran is our word

[daasgoot]

Peacekeepers guild... oh noes! Reminds me of anti-PK guilds on rallos.

anti-pk guild on a pvp server? that was a real thing? wtf.

[gobletsmashing]

He made some clarifications as well. You guys seem to fail to recognize that without the "bluebies" you loathe you would have no server and it would just be the low pop circle jerk no one wanted to play on before.

Also the idea that guild size should be limited is fucking asinine. Maybe in the narco-communist columbia this shit my get swallowed up by the masses but here people realize that those calling for that already have their preferred guild size with BiS toons and all they want to do is bring the server down so they can enjoy things uncontested and continue to grief. Just look at lite's post of him killing sandusky. Dude is dishonest as fuck and thinks it somehow legitimizes his pvp prowess :rolleyes:

Having people from blue come to red and join a pseudo-blue guild is the answer? Population might have gone up a bit, but the spirit of a red server has not. I wonder how many people the Zerg bullied off the server for the few people who came from blue. Its really hard to defend the 'zerg' concept here with such low server population. The low level griefing doesnt hold a candle to the outlook of the end-game here. Either join holocaust or get nothing. In my opinion, that is the worst problem this server has. This is coming from an outsider -- it might be hard to see things from that perspective when you are IN the zerg. Try to understand that.

[derpcake]

.

Its pretty simple, every guild has scumbags and you need to remove those.

The Suave you praise kicked a member for assisting azrael in griefing, also pulled a mob under the world.

I'm sure the pareto rule applies when it comes to time spent by CS and people griefed, both.

Need a final solution for those that insist on griefing. PVP is great, the "lulz I'm griefing you / trolling you with RL shit / batphoning you for nada" is excessive.

Would donate generously to see the trash taken out.

[gobletsmashing]

I love how people pull all this tattle-tale bullshit every time there's a discussion going. Trust me, I've seen my fair share of shady stuff too - from multiple people from multiple guilds. That's not the issue.

[BardPop]

Big Sirk just showed that Holo is the majority of the community as a whole, didn't he? )
Fresh is not holo, they just affiliated with holo some times

[Sheriff]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164929&highlight=recruit+contest

:D

Thread won!

[MaSQue]

What is Sirken's goal? Can somebody please explain it to me?
everyone understands it but you

[Formshifter]

Make it so that a guild on red can have no more than 50 members.

[Steel Warrior]

Make it so that a guild on red can have no more than 50 members.

Holocaustoo crootin.

[Swish]

this server needs a "peacekeeper" guild that will fight the darkness that is griefer scum.

https://www.phc.edu/UserFiles/Image/Alumni%20Profiles/estrada.jpg

That's what this box needs, real heroes.

[Troubled]

I could spam invite . It's not hard , after talking with people that are intrested in azrael I either welcome them into our ts. or send them to fresh or holo . ( sorry exed never sent them your way) Azrael is not about warm bodies and we
Pride our selves on that .

confirmed lite . ? !

[Crazycloud]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164929&highlight=recruit+contest

:D

[mugien]

Anyone that played on VZ during velious (and wasnt a scrub) will remember the PvP we had for Loddy. Defiant vs XK vs 12p, anywhere in norrath, not knowing who would win any particular encounter was easily the best times.

easily the best time ive ever had playing video games was velious era on VZ. too bad this shit hole cant hold a candle to that.

[Melveny]

Games were good before internet trolls became a thing. Pathetic people were decent human beings as teens and early 20's, you're all now adults and act worse then you old selves.

[Amplitude]

to all the people who left azrael for pixel glory in the zerg

LOL @ you

bluebies

[krazyGlue]

What lite said was true at the time . Same with you Colgate .

[Buhbuh]

What lite said was true at the time . Same with you Colgate .

i think when people prove you wrong in a single instance it just means you were stupid and misjudged someone rather than you being right about them at any given point.

[krazyGlue]

i think when people prove you wrong in a single instance it just means you were stupid and misjudged someone rather than you being right about them at any given point.

Gongshow was a warm body only loging in for raids during nihilum raids. The thought of him leading a guild again was a laugh . Never said he couldn't do it but his play time has atleast skyrocked by atleast 300%

[heartbrand]

Yet you joined holocaust in classic with Gongshow as your leader. Show some respect to your OG guild.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

TLDR not reading 35 pages. Some of you are way too invested in everquest.

Time to be a dad/go outside/fly a kite

[Sheriff]

I love the fact that at any given time I can log a Holo tagged toon on and be winning the box. I also enjoyed the 35 pages of Azrael tears. Thank you for such great shitter reading. pras!

[bolo]

Sorry to keep bringing this up - but the lead GM has recognized / acknowledged / brought to light the fact that 'the Zerg' is now harming the server. Nobody is crying about it. It's being recognized as fact.

Sorry for reminding you. You are the holozerg and my guild are brave spartans. ;)

[harnold]

TLDR not reading 35 pages. Some of you are way too invested in everquest.

Time to be a dad/go outside/fly a kite

Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,196

Thats 129 posts a month for the last 17 months bro, just wanted to make sure you know your being a hypocrite

[Samsung]

I have always had mad respect for Gongshow, love that guy. He recruited me to Holocaust when I first came here. He's one of the few players that play the game right and he acts the right way too.

[Steel Warrior]

Sorry for reminding you. You are the holozerg and my guild are brave spartans. ;)

You realize that the Spartans got slaughtered, right?

[MavstabYoudead]

You realize that the Spartans got slaughtered, right?

after killing thousands of the zergling scum they achieved a glorious death.

[Akalakamelee]

anti-pk guild on a pvp server? that was a real thing? wtf.

Ohhh yes, I know... ascending dawn was of the big ones. Pretty much they did nothing but gear and make guardian twinks (guardian armor had decent stats and was all no drop) as blue as it could get

[Quiet]

Even with its massive numbers, Holo averages 60-70 attendance for any raid. It gives new players a chance to level up and have a shot at pixels cause in doesn't take long for everyone to have what they need. Sure there is a huge line for items like Crown and AoN but everything else is basically handed out.

The best example is epics. When I joined Nihilum had epics on lock-down. If you were not in Nihilum, you didn't get a Ranger/Druid epic. At all. Don't even try. I was on the server 8 months before I got my epic done, look how long Andis took to get his? Year + ?. NIhilum was elitist and although it worked for them, it was detrimental to server population. Now we got members who are on the server a week, 2 - 3 weeks and are up in arms about not having their epics already.

TLDR. People will continue to join so long as the "potential" for loot is there, and in Velious, there's more then enough to go around.

[MavstabYoudead]

TLDR holo = nili.

[Akalakamelee]

I will give credit where it is due, fresh is breaking free of holo and doing its own raids. I would love to see suave vs fresh at this point.

[Steel Warrior]

Fresh has teamed up with Holocaust very few times, and all of them involved fighting Azrael.

[Sheriff]

Fresh has teamed up with Holocaust very few times, and all of them involved fighting Azrael.

We look foward to when Fresh contests.

[Glenzig]

I love everything about this post can't disagree with any of it. Holo's recruitment will be the death of pvp if it continues. And yes there are a lot of blue pieces of shit in Azrael that ride the backs of good pvper's that afford them the protection of allowing them to camp certain mobs, you know wtf you are and I've already given you shit in TS.

I don't have such high hopes for Fresh tho, more hope for Sauve to be honest. Fresh is run by Max yea know that lvl 30 de-lvl'd griefer warrior. His only goal is to stick it to Az because he's butthurt. Fresh isn't really even a guild, it's a starter place for Holo members below 50 and you will always see them allied with Holo come raid day. Kind of like Hate and Ruin on Sullon different tags, same assholes.

You're bad at propaganda. Azrael should let someone with half a brain have a crack at it for a while. You and mavstab are just making holo and fresh more attractive to new players.

[MavstabYoudead]

You're bad at propaganda. Azrael should let someone with half a brain have a crack at it for a while. You and mavstab are just making holo and fresh more attractive to new players.

you can have all the weak-minded individuals that believe your propaganda.

[Bodybagger]

<Fresh> putting in good work, becoming less of targets for me than <Holo> at this point... was getting bad for a bit there, now <Fresh> back to be mostly people I enjoy... only time will tell.

Who you ally with on raid day means nothing IMO, if you're part of smaller guilds who can't raid/contest alone... I think Fresh would do better to pair with another small guild than to aid Holo or tag along, and try and contest, but none the less understand motives on raid loot. Enemies can form alliances to overcome other enemies *shrug*

[Glenzig]

you can have all the weak-minded individuals that believe your propaganda.

Ok. Then don't cry zerg when you don't get to kill dragons.

[MavstabYoudead]

Ok. Then don't cry zerg when you don't get to kill dragons.

don't have to cry about zergs. sirken already labeled you guys one. grats on your dragons with 70-80.

[Glenzig]

<Fresh> putting in good work, becoming less of targets for me than <Holo> at this point... was getting bad for a bit there, now <Fresh> back to be mostly people I enjoy... only time will tell.

Who you ally with on raid day means nothing IMO, if you're part of smaller guilds who can't raid/contest alone... I think Fresh would do better to pair with another small guild than to aid Holo or tag along, and try and contest, but none the less understand motives on raid loot. Enemies can form alliances to overcome other enemies *shrug*

Fresh has been good to me so far. They don't hold your hand and shower you with loot to the point where you feel sheltered. But they do help with anything that can't be done solo, or easily solo, and they do a good job of instructing from my experience. Always groups going. And the epics are starting to happen more frequently. People ask all the time in chat and Ts "should I kill so and so?", the answer is always "do they have a Fresh tag? If no, then yes kill them if you want." There isn't this big fear of pvp like you would be led to believe on the forums. They just aren't obsessed with the yellow text.

[Glenzig]

don't have to cry about zergs. sirken already labeled you guys one. grats on your dragons with 70-80.

Really? I missed that part of his post. Either way, why is it so horrible to have more than 10 other people that will tolerate playing a game with you? I don't understand this mentality.

[MavstabYoudead]

Really? I missed that part of his post. Either way, why is it so horrible to have more than 10 other people that will tolerate playing a game with you? I don't understand this mentality.

see sig. no one said it's horrible it's all up to your personal preference. if fresh wants to counter the zerg with their own zerg that's great. it's good for the server just not everyone wants to play that way.

[dontbanpls]

Was just being honest, you should try it sometime. If Fresh allies with Holo everytime another guild contests then I cannot see Fresh as it's own entity. To be quite honest Holocaust is the guild that griefs Fresh more than any other guild on the server.

It would be in the server's and Fresh's best interest to have sought allies elsewhere, with a guild that didn't farm it's members when they weren't needed for raid day. But Max/Miria lets his own personal feelings sway him in directions that aren't beneficial to his guild.

what allies are you talking about? put down the crack rock dude no one else has been available or interested. I think you are just mad because I control the way you play and am so much better than you are at this game.


I'm really curious what benefit you think you bring to the table. The way I see it the only benefit I would gain is having some untrustworthy turd in my guild who is addicted to telling everyone he runs into that they are a faggot and shouldn't be playing the game etc etc etc.

[Gitem]

what allies are you talking about? put down the crack rock dude no one else has been available or interested. I think you are just mad because I control the way you play and am so much better than you are at this game.


I'm really curious what benefit you think you bring to the table. The way I see it the only benefit I would gain is having some untrustworthy turd in my guild who is addicted to telling everyone he runs into that they are a faggot and shouldn't be playing the game etc etc etc.

ban plz

[dontbanpls]

Your prose is colored with so much butthurt it's hard to address. But nothing in your incoherent rambling changes the fact that Fresh has indeed allied with Holocaust on every occasion every other faction has tried to contest, regardless of the other faction contesting.

And I stand by my original statement that if you only desire pixels and do not engage in pvp without a staggering advantage like 5x the numbers of the opposing force then no you don't belong on a red server.

My loyalty is for the server not one particular faction. I was a member of Holocaust and actually fought impossible odds before they were a steady pixel train. When pixels and not pvp became the goal of Holocaust I left. I want a server with multiple factions not one zerg that comprises 85% of the 50+ the player base, that's a blue server.

None of that relates to what I said, try again. Thanks.

[karsten]

your incoherent rambling

BK just said someone else suffers from incoherent rambling


top kek

[Nadir]

Just allow training. Shits classic. Allows non-zerg/better players to level playing field

[karsten]

in this thread, BK tries to sound smart

[fred schnarf]

cant win in pvp? train , shits classic

[Glenzig]

BK has been putting in work googling words. Good job bud. Proud of ya.

[Gitem]

I can speak with finer eloquence and elaborate rhetoric, then your pedantic mind could fathom a response to. But often my words miss there mark as wisdom is misconstrued as folly when heard by fools.

I'm not the only one that can see what's wrong with this quote am I?

[Cheesypoof]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1632165&highlight=syft+english#post1632165

:D

[Awwalike]

colgate are you grounded or something? you been really salty lately.

[Gitem]

no butthurt, just pointing out that the king of eloquence can't string a couple sentences together without fucking up.

[Bodybagger]

Prolly because its not a quote, unless you are quoting me. Other then that I'm guessing (you are) butthurt?

You misused THERE in place of THEIR in your super-duper intellectual post, buffoon. :rolleyes:

[Gitem]

Yes I do have dyslexia, yes I always was Syft and used a facade to sneak into a guild that would not have allowed me to join otherwise. Yes I am an English major, and extremely skilled in creative writing despite my incompetence with the form and structure of grammar.

No I don't care about you, or anyone else's opinion of me, and find the level of animosity shown to me on daily basis quite comical. I often incite it further for my own amusement.

Anything else?

a/s/l?

[karsten]

I think it's hilarious that every thread I post on becomes a debased garble of personal assaults, regardless of my attempts to stay on topic and veer away from real life attacks.
And if I fire back in the slightest I am myself persecuted as the one who derailed the thread.

I find the irony almost as delicious as the tirade of spiteful comments inspired and fueled by the malice held for me.

in this thread, BK tries to sound smart

[fred schnarf]

is syft hateraid?

[Ezalor]

Anyone reading this thread would never want to play here. There's constant drama on this server since the very beginning. And I don't mean the funny/entertaining kind.

How many of account strippers on Red? I can think of 20 off the top of my head and I don't even play here. The community is filled with toxic, untrustworthy people.

Then you have the spineless human pinballs who piggyback on whoever is the top zerg at the moment. They were the ones who was in Nihilum who are in Holocaust now. Retti/heartbrand/other nut swingers.

The only real "alternative" to the Nihilum 2.0 (Holocaust) means being guilded with Lite. Can't think of anything I would want to do less. The guy may be a competent PvPer, but he is a terrible leader. You had your chance for 3+ years, and there comes a point when you realize you've failed. Time to step down and let the real slim shady please stand up.

[Amplitude]

Then you have the spineless human pinballs who piggyback on whoever is the top zerg at the moment. They were the ones who was in Nihilum who are in Holocaust now. Retti/heartbrand/other nut swingers.

.

amen

[heartbrand]

Anyone reading this thread would never want to play here. There's constant drama on this server since the very beginning. And I don't mean the funny/entertaining kind.

How many of account strippers on Red? I can think of 20 off the top of my head and I don't even play here. The community is filled with toxic, untrustworthy people.

Then you have the spineless human pinballs who piggyback on whoever is the top zerg at the moment. They were the ones who was in Nihilum who are in Holocaust now. Retti/heartbrand/other nut swingers.

The only real "alternative" to the Nihilum 2.0 (Holocaust) means being guilded with Lite. Can't think of anything I would want to do less. The guy may be a competent PvPer, but he is a terrible leader. You had your chance for 3+ years, and there comes a point when you realize you've failed. Time to step down and let the real slim shady please stand up.

Made multiple guilds to contest the top guild and played in the underdog half my time here, thanks cool story bro.

[Amplitude]

made multiple guilds to steal the guild bank while using the leverage to try an jew your way back into the guild you got kicked from

cool story bro

[heartbrand]

made multiple guilds to steal the guild bank while using the leverage to try an jew your way back into the guild you got kicked from

cool story bro

not true, also I'm sorry about the divorce and the recent job loss, I hope everything works out for you soon.

[Amplitude]

bringing RL into elf world when i bring up facts about how you are in game is funny

stay classy holo

[quido]

hope you feel better Amplitude, I know it must hurt

[heartbrand]

bringing RL into elf world when i bring up facts about how you are in game is funny

stay classy holo

http://www.dhr.state.md.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dhrserv-snap-prog-food-stamps-480x100.jpg

[Amplitude]

not as much as your back prob hurts from carrying 30 pounds of titties everyday

[heartbrand]

not as much as your back prob hurts from carrying 30 pounds of titties everyday

real classy bringing RL into this, Azrael always stooping down to new lows

[Ezalor]

My point: The server dynamic is the same today as it was 3 years ago. Either join the zerg guild or have to be guidled with Lite. As long as these are the only two real options, to everyone else, these threads just look like the South Park episode.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/679/3679/388570.jpg

[mr.miketastic]

I can speak with finer eloquence and elaborate rhetoric, then your pedantic mind could fathom a response to. But often my words miss there mark as wisdom is misconstrued as folly when heard by fools.

How about:

It's better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[Akalakamelee]

bringing RL into elf world when i bring up facts about how you are in game is funny

stay classy holo

They do this when they run out of valid points, seems to happen pretty quick

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/moobs.jpg

Damn if those titties are 30 pounds, I must weigh like 3000 pounds

[Bazia]

I'm not usually one to talk about people's irl but those are some bitch tits dog

[Gitem]

suck it in. also complete pic really tells the whole story.

[heartbrand]

I'm not usually one to talk about people's irl but those are some bitch tits dog

how's blue and how much did you get for the items?

[Awwalike]

jeremy i don't know what's worse you posting a picture of a random guy claiming it's you, or you posting this due to all the fat jokes (if this is really you)






definitely not you in that picture though.

[Etorryn]

Sirk Dawg you should just step down as GM and devote at least 10+ hours a day as a new guild leader.

[Bazia]

blues boring

[Sear]

game

blouses

[quido]

jeremy i don't know what's worse you posting a picture of a random guy claiming it's you, or you posting this due to all the fat jokes (if this is really you)






definitely not you in that picture though.

The picture is actually what brought the fat jokes lol - thought I'd share again so people can see what brought them about =)

[wotapod]

Anyone that played on VZ during velious (and wasnt a scrub) will remember the PvP we had for Loddy. Defiant vs XK vs 12p, anywhere in norrath, not knowing who would win any particular encounter was easily the best times.


Oh the good ol' days.... LONG LIVE Xanit K`Ven!
SLOSH!
btw we are not Azrael alts... tks

[wotapod]

Basically for a long time during velious, Defiant was kind of like Holo, just not as zergish. They lost their numbers advantage. There was much rejoicing, and amazing pvp battles ensued. Like Sirken said it was 20v20v20 defiant/xk/prophets. A golden Era on Vallon Zek for sure. I feel like red99 has potential to achieve this, but only time will tell.... and a few dead Holo.


Slosh!

[Jimmybones]

Basically for a long time during velious, Defiant was kind of like Holo, just not as zergish. They lost their numbers advantage. There was much rejoicing, and amazing pvp battles ensued. Like Sirken said it was 20v20v20 defiant/xk/prophets. A golden Era on Vallon Zek for sure. I feel like red99 has potential to achieve this, but only time will tell.... and a few dead Holo.


Slosh!

good luck killing velious targets with seven people

[pingpong]

good luck killing velious targets with seven people

good luck getting any loot besides HoT rots with 100+ person raids

[Colgate 2.0]

can't wait to have full HoT/vulak gear and primal while azrael melees are in kunark gear

[Lasher]

ToV zone in fight are always fun. I remember 100-120 peeps fights on TZ with ogres blocking doors

[Quiet]

This whole thread is pointless.

Holocaust has taken or given anyone who wants it a chance. The loot is there for the taking and in Velious will be overwhelmingly available.

The idea holocaust isnt a pvp guild or good for pvp is absurd. The leaderboard shows holo is responsible for over 10,000 pvp instances. More then the next 2 guilds put together. 2x Azrael. Holocaust has 2000 more pvp kills then Azrael (yes many more deaths too but we arent a guild of rogues, wizards, shaman and enchanters set with intent to snipe a kill then bitch out and plug.)

Variance would be hilarious. At any given time there are 15-45 Holo members online and that number can hit 60 in less then 20 minutes of a batphone vs 3-7 Azrael with a total of 25 + 20 boxed. The idea they would be able to contest any any hour is a true testament to why Azrael has it wrong, and why they are on version 25.0

TLDR - Holo is getting it done better then Azrael, better then Nihilum. Server population tripled. Pvp is at an all time high.

[MavstabYoudead]

can't wait to have full HoT/vulak gear and primal while azrael melees are in kunark gear

will be fun watching you lose your velious virginity.

[Kergan]

I wish I'd never done Velious, then it would be like a whole new game coming out. It's like if you could completely erase your memory of a good movie and enjoy it like the first time all over again.

[Nirgon]

To be fair I don't think anyone's ever done a 5 year+ Velious?

[Kergan]

Yeah. I don't know if more than literally a dozen players on EQ Live were true BiS in Velious. Good luck being a fresh level 56 two years after Velious comes out, you're gonna get curbstomped.

[MavstabYoudead]

To be fair I don't think anyone's ever done a 5 year+ Velious?

nor were they ever intended to. again it's a free server so can't complain for stagnant content.

[Deluxeee]

Quiet, you need to look up the difference between then and than.

[Kergan]

I think a year or two into Velious the custom content discussion will begin. It's actually much easier to add custom shit because you're not trying to duplicate something from 10 year old website entries and vague memories.

[fred schnarf]

can't wait to have full HoT/vulak gear and primal while azrael melees are in kunark gear

will you actually fight people then?

[Quiet]

Quiet, you need to look up the difference between then and than.

Typed from phone and did not proof read. :P

[Bodybagger]

I can't wait to PVP with other newbs in the warrens, and chase people around on my mage with my monster summoning pets, because that shit is so classic it isn't even funny.

Most excited for new spells everyone gets I think... don't care much at all about top end game raid scene stuff *shrug*

[HippoNipple]

It makes for an interesting read to hear what other leaders and GMs think about the server. It makes me chuckle to see some angry people say this is what isn't allowing the server to flourish, etc.

The server has more people than it has for several years. This is due to Holocaust. GMs can try to take credit for telling some people that Holocaust exists but by saying that you basically admit Holocaust is your only recruitment tool for Red99. Without Holocaust Sirken wouldn't be able to get people to transfer over. GM events certainly aren't going to do it.

Now that Holocaust has provided this success outside people are trying to give advice on what Holocaust needs to do next. Don't worry about it. Sit back and do what you do and let the leaders of Holocaust continue to make this box a success.

[Baugi]

The server has more people than it has for several years. This is due to Holocaust. GMs can try to take credit for telling some people that Holocaust exists but by saying that you basically admit Holocaust is your only recruitment tool for Red99.

I might be projecting, but I suspect the more common path is -

1. "Man, current gen mmos are sucking. Maybe I just need to research a better one?"
2. "Welp, there aren't any, but some mmo board suggested 'project1999'"
3. "Blue looks like a clusterfuck; months long waiting lists for raid mobs?"
4. "Reasonable exp bonus, end game potential, and PVP in case things get stale? Red looking pretty good."

No offense, but do you really think people are starting a decades old MMO specifically to play with a large lax recruitment guild?

[Bodybagger]

It makes for an interesting read to hear what other leaders and GMs think about the server. It makes me chuckle to see some angry people say this is what isn't allowing the server to flourish, etc.

The server has more people than it has for several years. This is due to Holocaust. GMs can try to take credit for telling some people that Holocaust exists but by saying that you basically admit Holocaust is your only recruitment tool for Red99. Without Holocaust Sirken wouldn't be able to get people to transfer over. GM events certainly aren't going to do it.

Now that Holocaust has provided this success outside people are trying to give advice on what Holocaust needs to do next. Don't worry about it. Sit back and do what you do and let the leaders of Holocaust continue to make this box a success.

Almost makes me wonder what would occur is there was an <Everyone Else> zerg guild to counter the zerg... 2 factions, ala WoW Alliance v. Horde

Obviously Holo = <Alliance> so lets just rename them for the bluebies they are, and roll an appropriately named counterzerg guild <Horde>, I will remove 1 <Flowers of Happiness> tagged character to contribute to the efforts of the counterzerg, and I reckon at Holo's current size, we can expect 20-30% of their numbers to readily strip off and join a new zerg for quicker pixels.... this will incite revenge pvp and kick start wild global pvp between two large factions...

seems feasible.

[fred schnarf]

It makes for an interesting read to hear what other leaders and GMs think about the server. It makes me chuckle to see some angry people say this is what isn't allowing the server to flourish, etc.

The server has more people than it has for several years. This is due to Holocaust. GMs can try to take credit for telling some people that Holocaust exists but by saying that you basically admit Holocaust is your only recruitment tool for Red99. Without Holocaust Sirken wouldn't be able to get people to transfer over. GM events certainly aren't going to do it.

Now that Holocaust has provided this success outside people are trying to give advice on what Holocaust needs to do next. Don't worry about it. Sit back and do what you do and let the leaders of Holocaust continue to make this box a success.

only reason server pop is up , is a gigantic zerg guild is getting every spawn, and unlike nihilum for once bosses are being killed during normal hours, and you dont need dkp

variance will cure this sickness

[Akalakamelee]

It makes for an interesting read to hear what other leaders and GMs think about the server. It makes me chuckle to see some angry people say this is what isn't allowing the server to flourish, etc.

The server has more people than it has for several years. This is due to Holocaust. GMs can try to take credit for telling some people that Holocaust exists but by saying that you basically admit Holocaust is your only recruitment tool for Red99. Without Holocaust Sirken wouldn't be able to get people to transfer over. GM events certainly aren't going to do it.

Now that Holocaust has provided this success outside people are trying to give advice on what Holocaust needs to do next. Don't worry about it. Sit back and do what you do and let the leaders of Holocaust continue to make this box a success.

Red pop increase happened dramatically for 2 reasons #1 <fresh> #2 forced beta.
holo had nothing to do with the recent spike, give credit where it is due

[MavstabYoudead]

Red pop increase happened dramatically for 2 reasons exp rate and the blue raid scene being a giant cesspool.
holo had nothing to do with the recent spike, give credit where it is due

FIFY

[Bodybagger]

I also want to say the large number of new players logging in and /ooc or making threads on here looking for low level guilds, probably didn't come for Holocaust recruitment considering they don't know of a low level guild recruiting.

Just a shot in the fucking dark that has NOTHING to do with you guys. Legit newbs worth 100x more than blue converts who still play blue and will be on blue come velious FYI.

Red pop likely to continue rising until velious launch then only players receiving pixels on red or who never cared about pixels will stay

[Kergan]

brain just as smaller

[HippoNipple]

Great responses from very normal people on why Holocaust didn't help the server.

[Baugi]

Great responses from very normal people on why Holocaust didn't help the server.

I think you can make reasonable arguments for helping server health (retention and such), but your original wording was pretty hyperbolic.

[Bodybagger]

Saying Holocaust helped the server is fine.... saying Holocaust single handedly grew the server pop (which most of their members filtered out of <Fresh> in the first place) is absurd. Blue raid scene is wrecked at the moment, and XP bonus draws in everyone who plays here. Without it you couldn't recruit jack shit from bleu even WITH your "protection" which is actually just yall being half the server, thereby protecting them form half the server, but then again you are at n risk of being attacked by <Holo> in any other guild anyways so really, be being in any other guild, you're protected by more of the server.

*yawn*

Who wants in <Horde> the new premier anti zerg, pro PVP, zerg guild on red99?

[HippoNipple]

Saying Holocaust helped the server is fine.... saying Holocaust single handedly grew the server pop (which most of their members filtered out of <Fresh> in the first place) is absurd. Blue raid scene is wrecked at the moment, and XP bonus draws in everyone who plays here. Without it you couldn't recruit jack shit from bleu even WITH your "protection" which is actually just yall being half the server, thereby protecting them form half the server, but then again you are at n risk of being attacked by <Holo> in any other guild anyways so really, be being in any other guild, you're protected by more of the server.

*yawn*

Who wants in <Horde> the new premier anti zerg, pro PVP, zerg guild on red99?

Exp bonus has been a part of the server for a very long time now. There have also been leveling guilds like Fresh on the server forever, VV, Red Dawn 1, Red Dawn 2, etc. Holocaust is the first guild to be on top that hasn't changed and started to treat new recruits like scum. They are really the only thing that is different about the server right now.

Azrael, leveling guilds/2nd tier raiding guilds and exp bonuses are not new.

[Bodybagger]

[QUOTE=HippoNipple;1780626]blah blah blah mmmmmmm yummy Holo koolaid[QUOTE]

Quit drinking the koolaid man... as stated, the only thing holo has brought if anything is players sick of blue raid scene. These people will vanish at Velious launch most likely.

If all the newbs are coming over why are there new players daily asking about guilds recruiting?

Holocost, #1 contributors to Blue:Red plat xfers.



Grats on all your pixels.

[Akalakamelee]

Exp bonus has been a part of the server for a very long time now. There have also been leveling guilds like Fresh on the server forever, VV, Red Dawn 1, Red Dawn 2, etc. Holocaust is the first guild to be on top that hasn't changed and started to treat new recruits like scum. They are really the only thing that is different about the server right now.

Azrael, leveling guilds/2nd tier raiding guilds and exp bonuses are not new.

Leveling guilds like fresh did not exist when i came back. When fresh started it was like a new breath of life in the server, and new targets. I really don't understand why holo does what it does, you guys know that people join your guild just to quit after the gravy train stops. Why not just form a core group and stick to it? Serious question on that, not a troll. So please give serious answer.

[HippoNipple]

Not sure when you played aka but the server has had spurts of leveling guilds for a long time. A lot of Fresh members joined the server because of Holocaust and were just using Fresh to level up 1-46. I know first hand because in January I leveled a shaman and people talked about it in groups.

Just like people joined the server years ago with intentions of joining Nihilum. That doesn't mean they won't join a leveling guild in the mean time. You can't get mad at players for leaving Fresh to join Holocaust.

Bodybagger is just retarded because it sounds like he has no experience with what the server was like before Holocaust but continues to try to tell the whole server how things were better before them.

[Akalakamelee]

Not sure when you played aka but the server has had spurts of leveling guilds for a long time. A lot of Fresh members joined the server because of Holocaust and were just using Fresh to level up 1-46. I know first hand because in January I leveled a shaman and people talked about it in groups.

Just like people joined the server years ago with intentions of joining Nihilum. That doesn't mean they won't join a leveling guild in the mean time. You can't get mad at players for leaving Fresh to join Holocaust.

Bodybagger is just retarded because it sounds like he has no experience with what the server was like before Holocaust but continues to try to tell the whole server how things were better before them.

I started when i first came out, i took a break that pretty much spanned most of the nili days. i remember nili from when i was playing, but not much of them. Honestly, it seems bad for the server at this point to keep taking in people. don't you want more PvP targets? That is why i don't join up in the massive guilds. i want more targets

[Colgate 2.0]

every single day half a dozen or more people tell me "hey man i just transferred from blue so i could join up with holocaust. i'm so sick of the blue raid scene." or "hey me and a group of friends started here and we're friends with some guys already in holocaust."

turning away those people just because you don't like us recruiting would be destructive to server population

sorry that you don't like it, but your opinion means literally nothing

[HippoNipple]

I started when i first came out, i took a break that pretty much spanned most of the nili days. i remember nili from when i was playing, but not much of them. Honestly, it seems bad for the server at this point to keep taking in people. don't you want more PvP targets? That is why i don't join up in the massive guilds. i want more targets

End game on Red99 is really fragile. It is complicated and not as simple as "I wish the 80 people that wanted to raid today would split up in 4 groups of 20."

1 day of 4 guilds going at it in a 20v20v20v20 the biggest losers lose 5 people that quit, a couple from the other guilds move over to the top guild that are happy to secure there guaranteed win next week, etc. Any guild interested in downing end game content that tells you differently is a liar.

Azrael tried this before Holocaust and wanted every guild to cap at 20 while they would bring 30. If you brought 25-30 they would bring 40. When Holocaust brings 60 they bring 5 and call them a zerg. They will always be unhappy and either stomp competition or give up. That dynamic alone screws up any chance of guilds capping with the chances of fluctuating around 30 players raiding at once.

Throw in not trusting other guild leaders on the server because of RMT history and loot councils and there is a need for a trust worthy guild to stay on top and keep the scum lords in check.

The alternative to Holocaust not having control is not 4 guilds doing 20v20v20v20. That is propaganda and false hopes that are used to discredit Holocaust.

The server can't tell Holocaust to stop recruiting. It has to happen naturally. This happens with a growing population. Holocaust will make this happen over time and it will provide the server with an environment that organically creates 2 big guilds.

[Baugi]

turning away those people just because you don't like us recruiting would be destructive to server population

I suspect it'd just grow Suave or even lead to new PVE focused guilds. I don't have first hand experience, but it doesn't seem like you have a stranglehold on raid targets. Rather, you're the path of least resistance for people who just want to see content. Given the nostalgia factor, lots of people just want to see content.

[Akalakamelee]

every single day half a dozen or more people tell me "hey man i just transferred from blue so i could join up with holocaust. i'm so sick of the blue raid scene." or "hey me and a group of friends started here and we're friends with some guys already in holocaust."

turning away those people just because you don't like us recruiting would be destructive to server population

sorry that you don't like it, but your opinion means literally nothing

Rustled, congratz on your forum ban pal. Now do your homework and go to bed, your like 15 right?

[Akalakamelee]

End game on Red99 is really fragile. It is complicated and not as simple as "I wish the 80 people that wanted to raid today would split up in 4 groups of 20."

1 day of 4 guilds going at it in a 20v20v20v20 the biggest losers lose 5 people that quit, a couple from the other guilds move over to the top guild that are happy to secure there guaranteed win next week, etc. Any guild interested in downing end game content that tells you differently is a liar.

Azrael tried this before Holocaust and wanted every guild to cap at 20 while they would bring 30. If you brought 25-30 they would bring 40. When Holocaust brings 60 they bring 5 and call them a zerg. They will always be unhappy and either stomp competition or give up. That dynamic alone screws up any chance of guilds capping with the chances of fluctuating around 30 players raiding at once.

Throw in not trusting other guild leaders on the server because of RMT history and loot councils and there is a need for a trust worthy guild to stay on top and keep the scum lords in check.

The alternative to Holocaust not having control is not 4 guilds doing 20v20v20v20. That is propaganda and false hopes that are used to discredit Holocaust.

The server can't tell Holocaust to stop recruiting. It has to happen naturally. This happens with a growing population. Holocaust will make this happen over time and it will provide the server with an environment that organically creates 2 big guilds.

2 big guilds really doesn't lead to much PvP, we need multiple smaller guilds for PvP. it will create alliances, betrayal, and sometimes teamwork to take on a common enemy. any game is far more interesting when you have multiple factions instead of just one. Honestly, high end PvP must have been boring until recently when fresh and suave got in the mix. Holo vs AZ all day everyday was getting stale. we need more guilds in the mix.

[jpetrick]

Maybe I am just an idiot but why are two smaller guilds not joining together to fight Holocaust and once they have to call LnS the two other guilds just fight each other to determine who gets the mob?

[Glenzig]

Maybe I am just an idiot but why are two smaller guilds not joining together to fight Holocaust and once they have to call LnS the two other guilds just fight each other to determine who gets the mob?

Cuz brains.

[Facade]

So much politics here

[Gitem]

Maybe I am just an idiot but why are two smaller guilds not joining together to fight Holocaust and once they have to call LnS the two other guilds just fight each other to determine who gets the mob?

that might work if it wasn't for the fact that fresh is two months away from being absorbed by holocaust.

[Kergan]

The whole "multiple small guilds" thing happened once for about 1.5 years right after RZ launched. After that people figured out the zerg is easier and it's happened on every server (PVP or otherwise) since.

Don't hate the players hate the game.

[Akalakamelee]

The whole "multiple small guilds" thing happened once for about 1.5 years right after RZ launched. After that people figured out the zerg is easier and it's happened on every server (PVP or otherwise) since.

Don't hate the players hate the game.

Easier isn't always more fun, if I wanted a game I could win with no effort, I would go play world of warcraft. I came to this emu for a challenge, not bluebies holding hands.

[Drakaris]

Maybe I am just an idiot but why are two smaller guilds not joining together to fight Holocaust and once they have to call LnS the two other guilds just fight each other to determine who gets the mob?

Why should the smaller guilds be smashing their heads against the #1 guild so that Azrael can come in and snipe their members and absorb them after they burn out?

The ideal gameplan for any smaller guild is to AVOID clashing against the top dog and doing planar clears/dungeons while having the fun pvp contesting with the smaller guilds over things like Ragefire.

I don't think Holo has reached tyrant proportions like other top guilds tbh... we just need more SIM REPOPS because everything is spread out allowing the top guild to farm everything on respawn...

[Kergan]

Easier isn't always more fun, if I wanted a game I could win with no effort, I would go play world of warcraft. I came to this emu for a challenge, not bluebies holding hands.

It's too bad that 90% of the other people who play this game don't want to play it your way.

Maybe find a new game?

[Gitem]

Why should the smaller guilds be smashing their heads against the #1 guild so that Azrael can come in and snipe their members and absorb them after they burn out?

The ideal gameplan for any smaller guild is to AVOID clashing against the top dog and doing planar clears/dungeons while having the fun pvp contesting with the smaller guilds over things like Ragefire.

I don't think Holo has reached tyrant proportions like other top guilds tbh... we just need more SIM REPOPS because everything is spread out allowing the top guild to farm everything on respawn...

I don't see an end to holocaust (largest guild on the server) raiding ragefire. They also do planar raids and pretty much any mini boss. so yeah, they have reached tyrant proportions. They have an ally with us while we take your members or you aren't raiding anything worth gathering more than 6 players strategy going and the blues just want to get their bis and leave.

[jpetrick]

Why should the smaller guilds be smashing their heads against the #1 guild so that Azrael can come in and snipe their members and absorb them after they burn out?

The ideal gameplan for any smaller guild is to AVOID clashing against the top dog and doing planar clears/dungeons while having the fun pvp contesting with the smaller guilds over things like Ragefire.

I don't think Holo has reached tyrant proportions like other top guilds tbh... we just need more SIM REPOPS because everything is spread out allowing the top guild to farm everything on respawn...

I may be misunderstanding the point of being a smaller guild on a red server then. I thought they wanted to be small because they value members who are much better than average players. I think a pvp alliance that ends once the biggest guild calls LnS would be favorable for both small guilds. They get to push the zerg guild out of zone and then fight the other guild for the mob. If these smaller guilds claim to be smaller because they want individual skill to matter more then it only makes sense that they would want to do something like this. If two small guilds have 20 players each with superior skill than the members of the zerg they would easily dominate as one force and then can split the alliance and fight again. I don't see how this would bleed members if you gave an accurate statement to your members of your intentions as a guild. I think you are a shitty officer if you are not making sure your members are all on the same page regarding your guilds goals.

I get a bit annoyed at seeing people complain about the zerg on this server. My guild on blue was created to avoid zerging encounters and all our members know what to expect. We enjoy playing with each other and not just lusting for the pixels. You are building your guild wrong if people are leaving for other guilds. There is an obvious and easy solution in front of you. Bitching about wanting variance is lazy when there are other guilds on the server you could create this alliance with. It's not even hard to contest when everyone knows exactly when the mobs spawn.

[Humerox]

I may be misunderstanding the point of being a smaller guild on a red server then. I thought they wanted to be small because they value members who are much better than average players. I think a pvp alliance that ends once the biggest guild calls LnS would be favorable for both small guilds. They get to push the zerg guild out of zone and then fight the other guild for the mob. If these smaller guilds claim to be smaller because they want individual skill to matter more then it only makes sense that they would want to do something like this. If two small guilds have 20 players each with superior skill than the members of the zerg they would easily dominate as one force and then can split the alliance and fight again. I don't see how this would bleed members if you gave an accurate statement to your members of your intentions as a guild. I think you are a shitty officer if you are not making sure your members are all on the same page regarding your guilds goals.

I get a bit annoyed at seeing people complain about the zerg on this server. My guild on blue was created to avoid zerging encounters and all our members know what to expect. We enjoy playing with each other and not just lusting for the pixels. You are building your guild wrong if people are leaving for other guilds. There is an obvious and easy solution in front of you. Bitching about wanting variance is lazy when there are other guilds on the server you could create this alliance with. It's not even hard to contest when everyone knows exactly when the mobs spawn.

it's pretty obvious you don't understand red and you're probably sub level 50.

[jpetrick]

it's pretty obvious you don't understand red and you're probably sub level 50.

Trying to though. Help me out with where I went wrong in my thinking.

[Humerox]

Trying to though. Help me out with where I went wrong in my thinking.

nothing wrong with your thinking at all, tbh. ideals and reality are different beasts

[Drakaris]

I don't see an end to holocaust (largest guild on the server) raiding ragefire. They also do planar raids and pretty much any mini boss. so yeah, they have reached tyrant proportions. They have an ally with us while we take your members or you aren't raiding anything worth gathering more than 6 players strategy going and the blues just want to get their bis and leave.

The ever revolving door of R99... I really wish everyone that came to R99 stuck around, we would all be having a ball right now!

Sux a few really toxic and outspoken players make it bad for everyone else!

RIP Greybeard! Was hoping he would be bringing some of them aussies from blue, but that dream is dwindling by the day!

[Drakaris]

Trying to though. Help me out with where I went wrong in my thinking.

Skill does matter, but if you are outnumbered 2:3 to 1 by close to BIS level 60s, you stand no chance.

Even if 1/3 of the players in the zerg are clicking an assist macro and a pumice, while doing nothing else; the team with more bodies generally wins. This change in Velious when there is gear saturation and characters end up having 2-3X the hp of the walmart geared equivalent. It then becomes a game of gear/player retention and well-established guild vs revolving door zergs.

Holocaust is a combination of a well-established guild and a zerg, which is why it is really an unstoppable force, just like Nihilum was.

[nixar]

A french person started it . Only a french person can stop it.

[HippoNipple]

2 big guilds really doesn't lead to much PvP, we need multiple smaller guilds for PvP. it will create alliances, betrayal, and sometimes teamwork to take on a common enemy. any game is far more interesting when you have multiple factions instead of just one. Honestly, high end PvP must have been boring until recently when fresh and suave got in the mix. Holo vs AZ all day everyday was getting stale. we need more guilds in the mix.

No one would disagree with this but it isn't possible and will never happen. This is a common mistake when dreaming up how you want the server to be. Instead of imagining exactly how you want things to be you need to pick between the couple realities that can actually exist on this server. There is going to be 1 guild in control. Who do you think would do this the best, can they be trusted to not RMT, how do they treat their guild members, etc. is what you need to look at.

Serious raiders or PvPers will always inch up the ladder and go to the guild that is killing the mobs with the best loot if possible so they can be the best at whatever it is they like to do. It may be to PvP better or just the satisfaction of progressing their character. There is nothing you can dream up or say that will convince a player to sit back and log in day after day as the loser when they can join the winning side. There are pockets of people who just don't care and play the game for other reasons but the majority of the players enjoy progression.

As the number one guild it is beneficial for them to stop recruiting once they know they have a clear advantage in numbers/power/gear/etc. so they know they can down all content and have to distribute those loots to as few of players as possible.

The problem with Red99 is that the population is low enough so if a guild wants to have 50-60 online they have to continually recruit just to keep that number steady. If you let up for a month or so you may log in to find yourself with only 30 available and then a guild like Azrael logs 40. The difference between distributing loot between 40 people and 60 isn't a big deal so there is no reason to split up with that attendance.

If you saw Holocaust log in with 100 for a raid there would obviously be a problem and then you would see things get more interesting. As long as Holocaust is attracting new players to the server don't worry about it.

[Nirgon]

We need more anonymous god damn alts and pvp chars that aren't over geared for their level range

[fred schnarf]

yea as long as anyone can join the zerg its fine, clown.


look at what eve had to do to battle goonswarm, they had to put in a system of capital jump fatigue because they had more titans then anyone, actually making it possible for lesser "Guilds" To use the big ships because goons couldnt travel to the large battles in realistic time frames anymore.

[Kergan]

EQ did the same thing dude (started adding raids with caps in PoTime), just later in the time line.

Shit ain't classic though.

[Akalakamelee]

No one would disagree with this but it isn't possible and will never happen. This is a common mistake when dreaming up how you want the server to be. Instead of imagining exactly how you want things to be you need to pick between the couple realities that can actually exist on this server. There is going to be 1 guild in control. Who do you think would do this the best, can they be trusted to not RMT, how do they treat their guild members, etc. is what you need to look at.

Serious raiders or PvPers will always inch up the ladder and go to the guild that is killing the mobs with the best loot if possible so they can be the best at whatever it is they like to do. It may be to PvP better or just the satisfaction of progressing their character. There is nothing you can dream up or say that will convince a player to sit back and log in day after day as the loser when they can join the winning side. There are pockets of people who just don't care and play the game for other reasons but the majority of the players enjoy progression.

As the number one guild it is beneficial for them to stop recruiting once they know they have a clear advantage in numbers/power/gear/etc. so they know they can down all content and have to distribute those loots to as few of players as possible.

The problem with Red99 is that the population is low enough so if a guild wants to have 50-60 online they have to continually recruit just to keep that number steady. If you let up for a month or so you may log in to find yourself with only 30 available and then a guild like Azrael logs 40. The difference between distributing loot between 40 people and 60 isn't a big deal so there is no reason to split up with that attendance.

If you saw Holocaust log in with 100 for a raid there would obviously be a problem and then you would see things get more interesting. As long as Holocaust is attracting new players to the server don't worry about it.

Long post, but good. I can see your point but there must be a way, everyone holding hands just seems lame. I don't blame folks for wanting gear and progression. I simply wish it could be done with.multiple factions instead of 2 large factions.

I give you credit for posting something of value, it certainly beats alot of the posts on here.

[Glenzig]

Long post, but good. I can see your point but there must be a way, everyone holding hands just seems lame. I don't blame folks for wanting gear and progression. I simply wish it could be done with.multiple factions instead of 2 large factions.

I give you credit for posting something of value, it certainly beats alot of the posts on here.

You have to make the smaller guild attractive to player in some way. Most people play this game as a hobby, not a job. Downing the zerg isn't going to be sufficient motivation for someone that just wants to have fun and game. It takes a lot of effort to be the small force going against the big force, so most will gravitate toward the big force. You have to give people something that the bigger guilds aren't giving them. And not "we do more pvp", cause everyone can pvp whenever they want. It has to be something that you are doing better than the big guilds.

[Sektor]

Jesus tldr

[Kergan]

I always find it interesting that some people are surprised by the fact the majority of people who play EverQuest care more about items than anything else, considering it is literally 100% of the character progression in this game.

[Bodybagger]

You have to make the smaller guild attractive to player in some way. Most people play this game as a hobby, not a job. Downing the zerg isn't going to be sufficient motivation for someone that just wants to have fun and game. It takes a lot of effort to be the small force going against the big force, so most will gravitate toward the big force. You have to give people something that the bigger guilds aren't giving them. And not "we do more pvp", cause everyone can pvp whenever they want. It has to be something that you are doing better than the big guilds.

Koolaid.


Shit is free.

And we also have a lot of fun. Like an obscene amount... almost as if we were playing some sort of game when we are logged in...


<Flowers of Happiness> crootin. If you ask about epics, you will be shot, and you rlukewarm body will be shipped off to <Holocaust> recruitment line. If you like to play EQ, PVP, and have a great time, regardless of level or class, you will find fun amongst our ranks. Help us bring Happiness to all of Norrath, one Flower at a time.

[fred schnarf]

instances cured zerging , velious was stupid

i cant tell you how many warm body raids there were in that era with dogshit players

[Kergan]

Not nearly as bad as doing Vex Thall in Luclin. 0 mechanic fights against mobs with a zillion HP. Not even exaggerating when I say monks and warriors would just go afk on that shit in autoattack range.

[Glenzig]

Koolaid.


Shit is free.

And we also have a lot of fun. Like an obscene amount... almost as if we were playing some sort of game when we are logged in...


<Flowers of Happiness> crootin. If you ask about epics, you will be shot, and you rlukewarm body will be shipped off to <Holocaust> recruitment line. If you like to play EQ, PVP, and have a great time, regardless of level or class, you will find fun amongst our ranks. Help us bring Happiness to all of Norrath, one Flower at a time.

See that's what I'm talking about. Pvp is your only recruitment line. Tight knit, having fun killing the zerg. That's awesome if that's what you want from EQ. But most people don't want to be in a guild that outright tells their prospective members "dont ask for help with anything pve related". Those players will get bored and join a bigger, more welcoming guild. You can't expect to turn people off to character progression and have a stable guild. It doesn't work that way.

[Kergan]

The ability to have a small close knit guild that focuses on PVP while occasionally doing meaningful PVE as a guild increases exponentially with the release of Velious.

[Bodybagger]

It isn't that we dont' help with pve, we do that a lot. We just don't have the resources to get people epics, plain and simple. We re all about playing everquest and having fun, and playing everquest pvp and having fun.

It has been discussed that in the future we will possibly have a 1-2 group core that may engage in raiding with another guild to access higher end content, but at the moment I don't want people joining thinking they'll get shit. When I joined I had a lot of fun with cool people, and mostly we just ask what we can do to help one another, not ask for items. Whether its ports, or playing a different character than the one we were on/wanted to level because it helps others level, or donating loot to new players, or showing up to help PVP... whatever. Very fun tight knit group. Just having the FoH guild chat access is worth membership.

PVP isn't a recruitment line. It's a requirement line. We don't want players who don't pvp or bitch about pvp. We dont' want to hear them raging in /gu every time they get killed or whatever... we are a guild that likes PVP. People call us a PK guild. That isn't something that just happens on here... people respect or fear the FoH tag in one way shape or form, and that is more valuable to me than a guild tag that only gets you pixels.

We have also been getting a good little influx of RZ players so that has been exciting as well.

[Glenzig]

Nothing wrong with that. I totally respect that that's what your guild is about. It will be almost impossible to have more than one or two of those type guilds with pop below 5-600 though. People will primarily gravitate to the big guilds at least at first. My only actual issue is when people push agendas like variance and such because of "the zerg". Recruit and contest or form raid alliances. If you want to stay small scale and actually have pve goals, you have to make some sort of concession in order to do it. Crying that one side has too many people is not the way.
That last part obviously doesn't apply to FoH from what you just said, but I think you see where I'm coming from. I hope.

[Bodybagger]

The problem with the zerg isn't PVE related, for us anyways. If <Azrael> bitches because they want uncontested pixels then whatever, let them grovel under the zerg for scraps.

The downside to a zerg guild on a PVP server is right now <Holocaust> is 50% of the server pop. If they don't kill their own members, they have just chopped pvp targets down dramatically, therefor they can't be engaging in pvp as much if that was instead 2 or 3 guilds, for example.

A lot of it is inevitable, but there are good and bad sides to everything, and people who are for and against everything. I get it, I just don't support it personally. It will eventually come crashing down under its own weight though, so no matter.

[Baugi]

Not nearly as bad as doing Vex Thall in Luclin. 0 mechanic fights against mobs with a zillion HP. Not even exaggerating when I say monks and warriors would just go afk on that shit in autoattack range.

I accidentally turn mobs during enrage.

[Chronoburn]

go afk on that shit in autoattack range.

You just summed up my eq raiding career.

[HippoNipple]

The only way to have 20v20v20 is if shit is hard coded to force it. There is a reason theme park mmos exist. They provide environments that don't naturally happen in a sandbox mmo. It is why instances and battlegrounds were created.

Not going to happen on project 1999. Would be better to push for realistic changes.

You really think Sirken is going to come up with some minor tweak that revolutionizes MMOs making instances/battlegrounds irrelevant?

[Glenzig]

The problem with the zerg isn't PVE related, for us anyways. If <Azrael> bitches because they want uncontested pixels then whatever, let them grovel under the zerg for scraps.

The downside to a zerg guild on a PVP server is right now <Holocaust> is 50% of the server pop. If they don't kill their own members, they have just chopped pvp targets down dramatically, therefor they can't be engaging in pvp as much if that was instead 2 or 3 guilds, for example.

A lot of it is inevitable, but there are good and bad sides to everything, and people who are for and against everything. I get it, I just don't support it personally. It will eventually come crashing down under its own weight though, so no matter.

Yeah. Very true. That's kind of what I was saying earlier though. The only way to start pulling people from holo is to offer something they can't, or do something exponentially better. Not just pvp, not forumquest. It has to be in game and it has to be about the players, not necessarily the guild. You're right though. Eventually Holo will start splintering and we will see more either go to other small guilds, or I think they will start forming new guilds due to mistrust of other guild leaders. Should be interesting to say the least.

[Drewciferss]

I love and hate r99. i have met some cool people and i have met some assbags. with that being said i do think holo needs to be banned from recruiting till 3 months after velious release that also means not allowing angry wolves or redrum to be allowed to reform in anyway due to the fact 90% of the server knows these are holo alt guilds. if Sirken wants to say Holo zerg hurting the server than i say Fucking do something about it. you say these things then side with holo 99% of the time on most issues and you dont think there taking advantage of that? Fresh is helping the server by giving people a place to lvl 1-60 make friends and have fun. they even made 3 diff chars to hand out newbie gear to people that arent even in there guild. Suave trying to get a good core group going but at this time with 80% of there guild being AZ alts and most being the people in AZ that 90% of the server cant stand is hurting them. Flowers of Hapiness you call non factors but there hardcore pvp dont need shit to still kill people and have fun. they are getting new people everyday.

[Akalakamelee]

Flowers PK Champs of the box. your gear means nothing to our unmatched skill and style. the last holo wolves that ran their mouth found their corpse getting dancing on by miku. FoH crootin pals

[Baugi]

holo needs to be banned from recruiting till 3 months after velious release

No they don't? Live proved that the system self-balances. If people get tired of the status quo or if Holo gets 200+ people on for Velious targets, it'll quickly splinter appropriately. The resulting turmoil will make for good stories.

You really really need a solid core for Velious; a zerg is just an endless stream of people to get minimum geared/keyed/factioned.

[Drewciferss]

Really sad though because this is proving to be false. how long has holo been this big? its been this big sense i came back to the server and thats long enough. it would be great if holo was splintering off but there not. there members except a core 10-20 hit 60 bis then roll alts and repeat to the point where its just annoying. i hope these idiots realize that boxing will never be allowed on this server. still stand by what i said holo needs to be banned from recruiting till 3 months after velious release.

[Baugi]

there members except a core 10-20 hit 60 bis then roll alts and repeat to the point where its just annoying.

That's just content stagnation.

i hope these idiots realize that boxing will never be allowed on this server.

The biggest hurdle for a lot of guilds was just bringing the right class distribution; banked characters are good for more than just boxing. Also... good luck catching people boxing on raids.

[Akalakamelee]

Pick up ppl during school hours when colgate is in class, maybe you will luck out and he will get detention.
Btw FoH crootin, nvr a zerg. Always a good time

[Gooch]

No they don't? Live proved that the system self-balances.

What server did you play live? VZ the GMs stepped in to stop a guild from corpscamping a guild to corpse rot in Hate, TZ GMs stepped in over and over again to stop a guild from training, corpsecamping, and crashing zones to stop other guilds from progressing. RZ was somewhat stable, but they had their moments and everyone was scared of loosing their loot. (I found RZ to be the most blue of all the zeks with actual anti-PK people???) SZ was self-balancing to a point, but of course a room full of mouth breathing retards self balances to the lowest common denominator.

EQ PvP never even came close to self-balanced in classic, or hell even past oow and PoP.

I don't know what the solution is, but your statement alone means you had very little clue what was going on on the original red servers.

[Baugi]

I don't know what the solution is,

PNP+LNS covers every scenario you just described.

but your statement alone means you had very little clue what was going on on the original red servers.

I played blue. PVP has always been an afterthought in EQ and it shows; when expansions were being released as fast as most servers could complete them, there wasn't much point.

When I said "balancing," I was referring strictly to guild sizes. I thought that was pretty obvious given the preceding context.

[Stasis01]

I can safely say no one will read those blocks of shit.

[Samsung]

I can safely say no one will read those blocks of shit.