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red99
02-03-2015, 03:21 AM
People are getting banned in game for all kinds of reasons regarding "speech"
Yet an entire guild with a guild name of only (one) implied meaning in modern times, doesnt get banned or have to change its name?
Holcaust isnt "the holocaust" ...............................right.
Google it, or go outside and ask someone in RL what they first think of when they hear the word "holocaust".
There is no argument here, just a statement.
Ban everyone, or no one. Unless burning Jewish people, and pushing them into mass graves is less of an issue than making fun of someones sexuality, or godforbid their skin color !
red99
02-03-2015, 03:32 AM
I will overlook that you guys never go outside, and have never asked another human what they think of your elf sim guild named "holocaust" .
For the sake of the troll.
To further move your pointless dribble ahead, I agree with you, make a solid policy, and enforce it. That is the point of this thread.
All or nothing
I am leaning toward the latter, because this is getting stupid, one guy trying to police 300 racist retards is not going to work.
Just ends up being more and more petition quest as we have all seen.
Sirken
02-03-2015, 03:33 AM
WTS education, pst
red99
02-03-2015, 03:38 AM
Your right sirken
Holocaust has so many meanings
I use the word in casual conversation all the time because I am not afraid of what people might think.
I make T shirts with the word "HOLOCAUST" on it, and walk around New York City, because it is not offensive at all.
Please educate me.
georgie
02-03-2015, 03:40 AM
qq
Clark
02-03-2015, 03:45 AM
This discussion already happened a month or two into the red99 server being released.
Nothing to see here move along.
red99
02-03-2015, 03:48 AM
Blitzkragg 60 Shaman <The Mystical Order>
Says the guy with nazi word plays !
DEF NOT
blitzkrieg. (German: “lightning war”) Military tactic used by Germany in World War II, designed to create psychological shock and resultant disorganization in enemy forces through the use of surprise, speed, and superiority in matériel or firepower.
Nothing to see here folks, just a bunch of drug addicts and racists defending themselves
Woodelf
02-03-2015, 03:57 AM
This discussion already happened a month or two into the red99 server being released.
Nothing to see here move along.
There's been a resurgence of caring about naming policy after a long hiatus. Personally it feels like there has been a lot of cherry picking already and almost seems futile to attempt to enforce at this point. If it were enforced Azrael = banned, Holocaust = banned, Suave = banned, Fresh = probably safe.
vinnidel
02-03-2015, 04:09 AM
WTS education, pst
is this is troll? literally everyone on this server laughs about how retarded and inconsistent your rulings are, and how everytime you stream it's no more than bongripped muttering nonsense for 3 hours. please don't sell education to anyone.
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 07:25 AM
wonder if there was a poll how many people would associate the word holocaust with that definition or with the events from the world wars...
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 09:18 AM
Lots of hurt feelings in this thread. I think yall might need to see your therapists early this week.
Sektor
02-03-2015, 09:23 AM
Brobb and the Boyz wouldn't be made, Holocaust tho hehe.
heartbrand
02-03-2015, 09:53 AM
Nothing on the interwebs offends me, and I'd wear a guild tag of ISIS, but let's not kid ourselves, a guild named holocaust would never get approved on eq live, or probably any video game. Having said that, people offended by words are morans.
Recycled Children
02-03-2015, 09:55 AM
Nothing on the interwebs offends me, and I'd wear a guild tag of ISIS, but let's not kid ourselves, a guild named holocaust would never get approved on eq live, or probably any video game. Having said that, people offended by words are morans.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words hurt forever.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 10:14 AM
The term holocaust has been used to describe nuclear war countless times in the past 20+ years and no one has lost their minds over news reporters saying "Nuclear holocaust"
You are looking for reasons to be offended. The guild name in no way offends and never once did I look at the name and think anything other than the definition of holocaust... never even considered the Jewish race/religion when seeing the tag.... and I hate <Holocaust> (well I hate zergs)
Taking offense to that is stupid. <Holocaust> is no different than <Annihilation>, <Obliteration> <Decimation> etc to me... but I'm educated beyond the 4th grade and reading Elie Weisel's "Night" so I've seen the word used to describe many more events than THE Holocaust.
If they can say it on the news without referencing THE Holocaust, and no one loses their minds.... you are probably just being a giant gaping sandy vagina. When the FCC is being less sensitive than you.... you lose ALL man cards. Instantly. Forever.
quido
02-03-2015, 10:23 AM
<Brobb's Burgers>
Pikrib
02-03-2015, 10:25 AM
<Brobb's Burgers>
<Brobb's Bergers> way better imo.
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 10:55 AM
Nothing on the interwebs offends me, and I'd wear a guild tag of ISIS, but let's not kid ourselves, a guild named holocaust would never get approved on eq live, or probably any video game. Having said that, people offended by words are morans.
red99
02-03-2015, 10:56 AM
"The term holocaust has been used to describe nuclear war countless times in the past 20+ years and no one has lost their minds over news reporters saying "Nuclear holocaust"
Rename your guild to Nuclear Holocaust then.
Holocaust without anything else, is "the holocaust"
"holocaust survivors" , do they say " The holocaust survivors?
Nope.
Again this thread is not about hurt feelings, it is about all or nothing.
Holocaust guild tag, and Colgate's name and RL attacks on nizzar are about as inconsistent as you can get with enforcement.
Apparently everyone is an internet tough guy now tho, but yet 100 petitions go in a day over hurt feelers being "offended" trying to get each other rule lawyered off the server
krazyGlue
02-03-2015, 10:57 AM
Holocaust is offensive . But Colgate is the guild leader so nothing be done about it
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 11:05 AM
"The term holocaust has been used to describe nuclear war countless times in the past 20+ years and no one has lost their minds over news reporters saying "Nuclear holocaust"
Rename your guild to Nuclear Holocaust then.
Holocaust without anything else, is "the holocaust"
"holocaust survivors" , do they say " The holocaust survivors?
Nope.
Again this thread is not about hurt feelings, it is about all or nothing.
Holocaust guild tag, and Colgate's name and RL attacks on nizzar are about as inconsistent as you can get with enforcement.
Apparently everyone is an internet tough guy now tho, but yet 100 petitions go in a day over hurt feelers being "offended" trying to get each other rule lawyered off the server
Look here junior... it isn't MY guild. Don't ever refer to it as such again. As stated, I hate Holo and hate the zerg, but I'm not going to be a pussy and try to censor their name. Split them up 10 times and make them have 9 other guild names that aren't offensive, who cares. <Holocaust> is just fine. How is it offensive? In what way? By saying the name? Is the Holocaust like lord voldemort to you? SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU PUSSY.
<Holocaust> is less offensive than <God's Work> or whatever the name was honestly. But I don't care, why would I try and censor someone based on my own insecurities? Are you even Jewish? Has anyone complaining been Jewish? I think the fact that you so single mindedly relate the word Holocaust to slaughter of the Jewish peoples, you might have issues.
tl;dr<Nuclear Holocaust> isn't offensive to you, but <Holocaust> is = You are an imbecile. I am <Flowers of Happiness> Not a zerg. I have no horse in this race other than battling your commie ideals trying to censor something that isn't offensive in any way, other than you seeming to have offensive views yourself.
iiNGloriouS
02-03-2015, 11:05 AM
but I'm educated beyond the 4th grade and reading Elie Weisel's "Night"
Goog book
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 11:10 AM
Look here junior... it isn't MY guild. Don't ever refer to it as such again. As stated, I hate Holo and hate the zerg, but I'm not going to be a pussy and try to censor their name. Split them up 10 times and make them have 9 other guild names that aren't offensive, who cares. <Holocaust> is just fine. How is it offensive? In what way? By saying the name? Is the Holocaust like lord voldemort to you? SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU PUSSY.
<Holocaust> is less offensive than <God's Work> or whatever the name was honestly. But I don't care, why would I try and censor someone based on my own insecurities? Are you even Jewish? Has anyone complaining been Jewish? I think the fact that you so single mindedly relate the word Holocaust to slaughter of the Jewish peoples, you might have issues.
tl;dr<Nuclear Holocaust> isn't offensive to you, but <Holocaust> is = You are an imbecile. I am <Flowers of Happiness> Not a zerg. I have no horse in this race other than battling your commie ideals trying to censor something that isn't offensive in any way, other than you seeming to have offensive views yourself.
I am jewish and i find the tag holocaust offensive because it represents an event and period of time where millions of my people were incinerated, gassed, shot, and annihilated. If you cant respect that then you have a serious issue.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 11:11 AM
and as for the whole "that name exists in real life" thing... eh... doesn't effect immersion for me. It's names like "tarbaby" and "Fagina" that are intended to be repugnant that I find obnoxious. or Ililililillillli as a name... I don't even much mind the bank names, that shit is classic.
Classic naming policy enforment was designed to make it punishable to be a dick. Meaning if oyu had an obnoxious name and people called you out on it for in game behavior as well, it got changed as part of punishment for you being an annoying turd. GM's didn't just go around nerfing names left and right... though I did get Quietriot nerfed as a name, after some douche reported it, because it's an 80's hair metal band... but it's a damn fine bard name... *Shrug*
Just pronounce Colgate "Kawl- gay-tee" if it is affecting your immersion because of you RL knowledge of something else by the same name...
red99
02-03-2015, 11:12 AM
bodybagger its not about less offensive or more offensive
its about offensive or not
its about RL attack or not
its about some level of consistency with rulings
Holocaust is offensive, go outside and ask someone in the real world
Colgate is a RL attack on nizzar
In a perfect online world, no one would be getting banned for "words" i agree, but when yous selectively ban or remove ooc privlages, there is a problem.
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 11:17 AM
The name colgate is a violation of the naming policy, it clearly states something that is trademarked or copyrighted as a product, brand, or game is against the rules. Colgate is a trade marked toothpaste company
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 11:18 AM
I am jewish and i find the tag holocaust offensive because it represents an event and period of time where millions of my people were incinerated, gassed, shot, and annihilated. If you cant respect that then you have a serious issue.
Do you play EQ on Sabbath? Did you play during Hanukkah? How Jewish are you? To what extent should I respect your Judaism and your choices to take offense to a word that existed long before an dlong after THE holocaust? Is that YOUR word now? Sounds like excessive sensitivity on your part not a lack of any on mine.
If their guild was <Hitler's Army> or something to that effect, sure ban them all, change the name, whatever. It isn't though. It is a term related to warfare on a PVP server.... if anything, they should be forced to lsoe the name because it's a pretty cool PVP guild name and they don't PVP. Everyone calls them Holo anyways, change their name to <Hollow> as punishment for PVP'less zerging the server lol. But because they suck, not because you are a pussy and take offense to a stupid word. Why would you ever give power to a word like that?
FYI, amngst the top 8 Holocaust related searches on google is holocaust jokes... perhaps you should be offended by your own suggestion to google holocaust and go bitch to google. They obviously have a serious issue.
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 11:20 AM
I had family that died in The Holocaust. Doesn't offend me one bit. I actually think its a pretty cool name for a pvp guild.
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 11:24 AM
Didnt read, dudes prolly a retard
Samsung
02-03-2015, 11:25 AM
I'm half jewish half Italiano. I talked to my Jewish family members about the game and that there is a clan on the video game that I play called Holocaust, they were all pretty offended that a game allows a name like this.
I feel as a member of the Jewish community that if the CSR staff is serious about offensive names that they should consider holding a meeting and discuss the matters of this guild name.
The csr staff wants Red to be less toxic, well when new players come to this server and they see guild names like Holocaust or player offensive names they are already seeing a form of toxicity.
You can say we are not educated but saying that is pure ignorance, my grand parents and great grand parents went through hell and they themselves know more about what happened and educated my parents, myself and my family.
You want to clean up this server? Show the server by deleting that awful offensive name.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 11:25 AM
You guys make no compelling argument. You acknowledge that holocaust is its own word and has a definition and is different from THE holocaust... I have never once heard reference or seen anything discussed about Holo being anti semetic in any way in any form within the game. it doesn't hold water. You're grasping at straws.
Push the Colgate issue more, it's a better point as far as any naming policy violation goes. But still a weak attack *shrug*
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 11:26 AM
I don't take anything personally in game in terms of naming etc, but if you are going to claim to be cleaning up the names, guild names, etc then there is no way holocaust should be allowed.
SamwiseRed
02-03-2015, 11:27 AM
Your right sirken
Holocaust has so many meanings
I use the word in casual conversation all the time because I am not afraid of what people might think.
I make T shirts with the word "HOLOCAUST" on it, and walk around New York City, because it is not offensive at all.
Please educate me.
*you're
Samsung
02-03-2015, 11:27 AM
You guys make no compelling argument. You acknowledge that holocaust is its own word and has a definition and is different from THE holocaust... I have never once heard reference or seen anything discussed about Holo being anti semetic in any way in any form within the game. it doesn't hold water. You're grasping at straws.
Push the Colgate issue more, it's a better point as far as any naming policy violation goes. But still a weak attack *shrug*
I'm pushing for Holocaust not Colgate, that's the real issue here. Colgate made a name based on a guy's yellow teeth tho, if the csr staff doesn't see how toxic this player is they wont see a lot of other toxic things.
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 11:28 AM
You guys make no compelling argument. You acknowledge that holocaust is its own word and has a definition and is different from THE holocaust... I have never once heard reference or seen anything discussed about Holo being anti semetic in any way in any form within the game. it doesn't hold water. You're grasping at straws.
Push the Colgate issue more, it's a better point as far as any naming policy violation goes. But still a weak attack *shrug*
Prove me wrong about colgate being a violation of the name policy
I am jewish and i find the tag holocaust offensive because it represents an event and period of time where millions of my people were incinerated, gassed, shot, and annihilated. If you cant respect that then you have a serious issue.
Happened more than 30 years ago dude, who gives a fuck.
HippoNipple
02-03-2015, 11:28 AM
Recruit and contest, getting a guilds name changed that is making you cry like a little girl is just going to lead to a guild with a different name making you cry like a little girl.
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 11:30 AM
Recruit and contest, getting a guilds name changed that is making you cry like a little girl is just going to lead to a guild with a different name making you cry like a little girl.
just want some consistency. name change isn't going to change the fact they have 50% of the server population.
Samsung
02-03-2015, 11:30 AM
Recruit and contest, getting a guilds name changed that is making you cry like a little girl is just going to lead to a guild with a different name making you cry like a little girl.
Not biased at all, the health of the server is more important than a offensive name
HippoNipple
02-03-2015, 11:32 AM
Not biased at all, the health of the server is more important than a offensive name
Then you should support Holocaust, they have raised the population 2x with their valiant acts. Do not question them.
Samsung
02-03-2015, 11:34 AM
Then you should support Holocaust, they have raised the population 2x with their valiant acts. Do not question them.
I will support them under a new and non offensive name.
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 11:35 AM
the only thing raising the server population is people being sick of the raid scene on blue.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 11:36 AM
I just love the part where <Nuclear Holocaust> is fine to you but just <Holocaust> makes them anti-Semites... you're a genius.
I still want a response from you on if you play during Sabbath and Hanukkah. I need to know to which extent you respect your own Judaism regarding playing in the box before I make any decisions on how much others need to respect YOUR religion within the box. Never seen one anti-Semitic remark from Holo. They suck in many ways, but trying to put this spin on it as an offensive anti Jew guild or Nazi supporting guild is absurd. I hope you understand how wildly offensive it is to your own peoples to be so petty and absurd.
It's used up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1QoJof7IAs
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 11:42 AM
so are we all agreeing the name colgate is a violation of the name policy
HippoNipple
02-03-2015, 11:52 AM
Don't you guys worry about Holocaust and the naming policy. Leave it to the GMs and white knights of the server to do what is right. If it was against the rules Holocaust wouldn't have named themselves that from the start because they do everything right.
The GMs are aware of the name and are enforcing the rules so you can be assured that the judgement has been made.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 11:54 AM
trolling by pretending to be Jewish, or even trolling with legit Judaism = confirmed 100% more toxic than a guild named <Holocaust>
You guys are pieces of shit. I hope you get delicious irony filled bans for stirring up shit
Ragnaros
02-03-2015, 11:55 AM
okay so colgate violates name policy
got it
quido
02-03-2015, 11:56 AM
you guys are so mad at Colgate for helping lead a guild that has kicked your guild's ass
Mudslinger
02-03-2015, 11:57 AM
I make T shirts with the word "HOLOCAUST" on it, and walk around New York City, because it is not offensive at all.
Please educate me.
I would like to purchase one of these shirts can I get it in medium and also I would like the shirt to be black Holocaust in red bold letters plz ........ btw I feel sorry for you being stuck in that nasty concrete jungle would be a bad life I will send pics of the woods , rivers , mountains , valley's , star filled skies and women in bikinis drinking beer at mud bogs and rivers , creeks , and lakes.........
Dont worry while your stuck up north I will live it up down here in the south for you
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 11:58 AM
just want consistency. zerg on under a new tag and new name.
Mudslinger
02-03-2015, 12:05 PM
I'm half jewish half Italiano. I talked to my Jewish family members about the game and that there is a clan on the video game that I play called Holocaust, they were all pretty offended that a game allows a name like this.
I feel as a member of the Jewish community that if the CSR staff is serious about offensive names that they should consider holding a meeting and discuss the matters of this guild name.
The csr staff wants Red to be less toxic, well when new players come to this server and they see guild names like Holocaust or player offensive names they are already seeing a form of toxicity.
You can say we are not educated but saying that is pure ignorance, my grand parents and great grand parents went through hell and they themselves know more about what happened and educated my parents, myself and my family.
You want to clean up this server? Show the server by deleting that awful offensive name.
I had family involved in " The Holocaust " aswell but it sounds like mine and yours were on different sides
If I can move past people spewing hate why cant you ....... should your nazi hate offend me ? .......... guess not I dont cry about guild names on the forums
Also had family fighting against the Germans so for me it is a toss up
HippoNipple
02-03-2015, 12:06 PM
just want consistency
The actual definition of holocaust works well as a guild name. Get over it. You lost another pointless argument and look like a whinny bitch again. GMs have made their judgement and offered to sell you an education because you look really stupid once again.
Ezalor
02-03-2015, 12:13 PM
EQ Live naming policy wasn't nearly as iron-clad as you people seem to think it was.
- A guy who had a Dark Elf Necro named Xsephirothx and a Troll named Sandyvagina
Ezalor
02-03-2015, 12:30 PM
Things I learned about the American education system from this thread.
- Americans don't know that holocaust is a generic word that is used all the time in newspapers, literature, and television.
- Americans think the jewish holocaust was the only holocaust that ever happened in history.
- Americans think that jewish people were the only targeted population by the Nazis
- Americans don't realize that there were many holocausts in that century, some of which involved millions more deaths (see the Beglain massacres in the Congo)
heartbrand
02-03-2015, 12:32 PM
Things I learned about the American education system from this thread.
- Americans don't know that holocaust is a generic word that is used all the time in newspapers, literature, and television.
- Americans think the jewish holocaust was the only holocaust that ever happened in history.
- Americans think that jewish people were the only targeted population by the Nazis
- Americans don't realize that there were many holocausts in that century, some of which involved millions more deaths (see the Beglain massacres in the Congo)
This reeks of anti-semitism. Just being honest.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 12:34 PM
Stop feeding the Jew trolling and let the thread die. These guys are all racist as hell using Judaism to troll people. I hope they get banned for being so offensive to the Jewish peoples of Norrath by making a mockery of the religion just to troll people on elfsim forums.
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 12:41 PM
People get all worked up and pretend to be emotional when they really just have an agenda and are throwing a hissy trying to get their way. With that having been said, <Trail of Tears>. Get on it.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 12:42 PM
^Sounds like very goog PVP guild name. Get 9 friends in game and have fun. Rangers, Shaman, and Druids only? Maybe accept necro/sk's... especially trolls forced from homelands... require alcohol tolerance 100+ to join?
On line <Vikings> and <Da Troll Patrol> both drank heavily and considered 100+ alcohol tolerance a requirement to become an officer lol
Maybe Holo should enforce begging skill cap requirements and have ninja loot training for their new members... to appease their fans with more authentic role play...
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 12:44 PM
^Sounds like very goog PVP guild name. Get 9 friends in game and have fun
How do you make 9 friends? Need further instruction.
Labanen
02-03-2015, 12:52 PM
Glad the cleanup is in progress, good work Sirken.
Im not jewish, but wouldnt object if Holocaust got a namechange, its wierd how that name was ever allowed.
Samsung
02-03-2015, 12:53 PM
Glad the cleanup is in progress, good work Sirken.
Im not jewish, but wouldnt object if Holocaust got a namechange, its wierd how that name was ever allowed.
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 12:55 PM
The actual definition of holocaust works well as a guild name. Get over it. You lost another pointless argument and look like a whinny bitch again. GMs have made their judgement and offered to sell you an education because you look really stupid once again.
If you say so. It's offensive. If "yomama" is offensive there is no argument that can be made that holocaust is not offensive. GMs can save their holier than thou attitude in regards to education unless they want to post their college information.
Humerox
02-03-2015, 12:59 PM
I've always been offended by the fact that the word has been warped to mean a single event in human history. Other events that include mass genocide must be defined to include the Armenian Holocaust, the Cambodian Killing Fields, the Bosnians, the Rwandan Genocide, Native Americans, The Black Holocaust, the Sudanese, etc. The Jewish Holocaust deserves the same treatment.
That said, the definition of The Jewish Holocaust usually includes "The". If the guild name were "The Holocaust" it may be different.
This argument is old and tired. It's an acceptable guild name for P99.
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 01:01 PM
^Sounds like very goog PVP guild name. Get 9 friends in game and have fun. Rangers, Shaman, and Druids only? Maybe accept necro/sk's... especially trolls forced from homelands... require alcohol tolerance 100+ to join?
On line <Vikings> and <Da Troll Patrol> both drank heavily and considered 100+ alcohol tolerance a requirement to become an officer lol
Maybe Holo should enforce begging skill cap requirements and have ninja loot training for their new members... to appease their fans with more authentic role play...
Um. I don't know what you're talking about. Trail of Tears was in reference to this thread. I swear.
quido
02-03-2015, 01:04 PM
Samsung says he is both Jewish and not Jewish within a single thread!
iiNGloriouS
02-03-2015, 01:26 PM
nobody reads what I post so I incessantly post more to try to get attention.
Shhh the big kids are talking, when this threads dead; then, you can talk.
heartbrand
02-03-2015, 01:29 PM
Samsung says he is both Jewish and not Jewish within a single thread!
lol'ed
DrKvothe
02-03-2015, 01:50 PM
I just started on red and my only experience with Holo has been entirely positive. Very helpful and friendly people. I don't know much about guilds on this server, but I've been told they're pretty much the top endgame raiding guild on the server, and for that reason I might join up some day.
With that said, the guild name is CLEARLY offensive and I don't understand how anybody can find it inoffensive. I think it's in incredibly poor taste. That the word can technically apply to any genocide does not change the fact that for hundreds of millions of people across this planet, the word immediately conjures images of a specific bitter and personal tragedy.
Voluntarily changing the name costs them nothing and may allow them to recruit those who are too personally offended by the name to join up...just saying!
Samsung
02-03-2015, 01:56 PM
Samsung says he is both Jewish and not Jewish within a single thread!
I meant to respond to Rubans quote actually, nice try. 8)
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 01:58 PM
I just started on red and my only experience with Holo has been entirely positive. Very helpful and friendly people. I don't know much about guilds on this server, but I've been told they're pretty much the top endgame raiding guild on the server, and for that reason I might join up some day.
With that said, the guild name is CLEARLY offensive and I don't understand how anybody can find it inoffensive. I think it's in incredibly poor taste. That the word can technically apply to any genocide does not change the fact that for hundreds of millions of people across this planet, the word immediately conjures images of a specific bitter and personal tragedy.
Voluntarily changing the name costs them nothing and may allow them to recruit those who are too personally offended by the name to join up...just saying!
In before they question your education level. Good post.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 02:00 PM
Yeah but how is saying holocaust offensive? No one loses their mind if you say nuclear holocost... it doesn't conjure up visions of us nuking Jews... it's just a word.
You guys are absolutely retarded. Sheep mentality in full effect. I wish someone would holocaust you morans. *SMFH*
If it were up to you jackasses Adolph Hitler would be referred to as "He Who Must not be Named". Yall go see the great wizard in the emerald city and ask for a damn brain.
HippoNipple
02-03-2015, 02:02 PM
I think it's in incredibly poor taste. That the word can technically apply to any genocide does not change the fact that for hundreds of millions of people across this planet, the word immediately conjures images of a specific bitter and personal tragedy.
It is a PvP guild, meaning the idea is to kill everyone not in the guild. It makes sense for a PvP guild to be named holocaust.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 02:06 PM
<Nuclear Holocaust>, upgraded to nukes and nuking Jews since 2015.
Pras morans
Thyrm
02-03-2015, 02:10 PM
Nobody playing on this server has any recollection of the jewish holocaust, so it's not really a 'personal tragedy' or 'conjuring up images'...
What you choose to associate with a word is entirely up to you.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 02:15 PM
I'm going to make a guild called <Famine> and see if the Irish people have a call to arms over me mocking the plight of their people...
quido
02-03-2015, 02:17 PM
I will throw a FUCKING FIT if you make any reference to the potato blight that brought my ancestors to America.
Pikrib
02-03-2015, 02:25 PM
I will throw a FUCKING FIT if you make any reference to the potato blight that brought my ancestors to America.
It was a potato holocaust.
quido
02-03-2015, 02:28 PM
lol I stand corrected
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 02:29 PM
We will have an alliance with the yet-to-be-made-but-soon-to-be-wildly-popular <Amistad> guild composed of Erudites, named of course in honor of their prolific journey by boat to reach the mainland of Antonica, where the League of Antonica Bards stole their gift of songs and dance and took their battle chants main stream and corrupted the minds of young adventurers with their soulful Lute riffs and hypnotic rhythmic drum solos.
Doors
02-03-2015, 02:30 PM
Yeah I'm sure sickpuppy is very offended with the guild name. Has nothing to do with him just petitioning to annoy people since he can't do shit in game except get steamrolled.
Great thread.
MavstabYoudead
02-03-2015, 02:38 PM
not sure you should ever use the word steamrolled after seeing lite's sig.
daasgoot
02-03-2015, 02:41 PM
never played a rog but pretty sure i could beat eddard in 1v1.
Guido
02-03-2015, 02:52 PM
not sure you should ever use the word steamrolled after seeing lite's sig.
sick burn
rip eddard
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 02:52 PM
So I Googled Holocaust. The first reference was Wikipedia. Funny thing is, they give the generic definition of the word, and then list the Jewish Holocaust under the "disambiguation" link. So yall might want to petition Wikipedia for being racists and anti-Semites. Cause they don't recognize the Jewish Holocaust as the most obvious definition of the word.
Amplitude
02-03-2015, 02:53 PM
never played a rog but pretty sure i could beat eddard in 1v1.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 03:01 PM
So I Googled Holocaust. The first reference was Wikipedia. Funny thing is, they give the generic definition of the word, and then list the Jewish Holocaust under the "disambiguation" link. So yall might want to petition Wikipedia for being racists and anti-Semites. Cause they don't recognize the Jewish Holocaust as the most obvious definition of the word.
More offensively, they also suggest Holocaust JOKES as like #3 of the top 8 suggested searches. CAN YOU IMAGINE? Google jokes about THE holocaust. Google is so insensitive.
It also suggests you stop looking at Holocaust and instead look at Anne Frank? The holocaust is super cereal Google... I don't have time to look at childish girly unicorn and rainbow stickers!
:D
For more tongue in cheek mockery, press 1 now... to opt out of mockery, reply "STOP" now.
heartbrand
02-03-2015, 03:08 PM
Are you racist ? Holy fuck holocaust is on a roll today. Outed by sirken for exploiting and now being racists , not to mention the guild name .
you were in holocaust for 6 months, not sherrifsrs?
Tasslehofp99
02-03-2015, 03:08 PM
First time i heard the word holocaust was in a song, and it wasn't referencing the "Jewish" holocaust at all but rather a story from the bible or torah, or something along those lines.
By the OPs logic, the word slavery should only offend those of African descent. Never mind the scores of other groups of people who have been enslaved through out history.
OP obviously a troll, or just an idiot.
Doors
02-03-2015, 03:10 PM
sick burn
rip eddard
http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Bryliant
Rank 3000 on a 300 population server ouch.
Labanen
02-03-2015, 03:11 PM
It was a potato holocaust.lol
Guido
02-03-2015, 03:15 PM
http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Bryliant
Rank 3000 on a 300 population server ouch.
omg not my farm bot ench!
PLS NO
and 8th alt lol
SamwiseRed
02-03-2015, 03:27 PM
Noone had a problem with Aborted fetus but find holocaust offensive. if they were renamed genocide would you be less offended?
quido
02-03-2015, 03:29 PM
http://princessbride.wikia.com/wiki/Holocaust_cloak
That book was written by a Jew.
Doors
02-03-2015, 03:31 PM
omg not my farm bot ench!
PLS NO
and 8th alt lol
Neither my main nor any of my alts are even remotely close to a 3000 rank.
Not to mention that's an enchanter and with the current resist patch you have to god awful to be that bad.
Bodybagger
02-03-2015, 03:41 PM
Successful thread derail with overwhelming crowd of people thinking OP morans, moves to Leaderboard dick measuring.
10/10 predictable outcome accomplished. Someone come flush this shit.
Dacuk
02-03-2015, 05:01 PM
holocaust definitely is an insensitive name. I would also put money that the name originally came about intending to troll people given the ambiguity of how you can interpret it.
do i have a problem with it, especially given im jewish? Yea a little bit. Do i give that much of a fuck? Nah, not really.
This whole name policy is fucking retarded and so is how it is being enforced. but its r99, so either you deal with it or you get out. there will always be tears one way or the other
magician
02-03-2015, 05:07 PM
Hehe are U Mad?
heartbrand
02-03-2015, 05:08 PM
I knew I always liked dacuk. Now that I know he's jewish I understand why.
Jimmybones
02-03-2015, 05:09 PM
Holocaust is a very general term referring to a mass slaughter or genocide. Now if the guild was named "Shoah" that would be a pretty different story.
Nihilist_santa
02-03-2015, 05:11 PM
I had family that died in The Holocaust. Doesn't offend me one bit. I actually think its a pretty cool name for a pvp guild.
Sorry your grandpa fell from the guard tower. He will be missed.
Here is to 6 million more Fungi Tunics! Pras Holocaust!
Absenthe
02-03-2015, 05:11 PM
consistency please.
i'd rather the only game i actually play with all adults didn't have the harshest censorship, but if that's the way it has to be at least make it across the board, jesus christ.
consistency please.
i'd rather the only game i actually play with all adults didn't have the harshest censorship, but if that's the way it has to be at least make it across the board, jesus christ.
heh dat p99 consistency
p good fuckin point tho, most of us are adults, I think I know of maybe 3 non adult players and lets be real, if their family has em playin here, they already fucked up.
HippoNipple
02-03-2015, 05:53 PM
jesus christ.
please ban this dude for religious defamation
Bardalicious
02-03-2015, 06:52 PM
Still getting a good laugh out of Sirken, who is notoriously known for smoking pot on his streams while he represents the server, nerfing the name Cannabis.
Absenthe
02-03-2015, 07:06 PM
please ban this dude for religious defamation
was but a small prayer after a strong sentence m'lord.
Sirken
02-03-2015, 07:08 PM
Still getting a good laugh out of Sirken, who is notoriously known for smoking pot on his streams while he represents the server, nerfing the name Cannabis.
my thoughts on his name dont matter. BUT what does matter is that i found a "Elf Name" generator, and it is providing me the many entertainments
edit- and drugs r bad
skipdog
02-03-2015, 07:41 PM
I'm sure Holocaust members don't really give a shit what their guild name is.
If GMs make 'em change it, I'm sure all Holocaust members will collectively shrug their shoulders and move on with their lives, with zero fucks given.
quido
02-03-2015, 07:44 PM
No I will throw a FUCKING FIT
Glenzig
02-03-2015, 08:50 PM
Sorry your grandpa fell from the guard tower. He will be missed.
Here is to 6 million more Fungi Tunics! Pras Holocaust!
No you don't understand. My family are the secret descendants of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun.
Soon kids will Google Holocaust for a project and start learning about the ever quest guild and thus become new player base.
shits deep son, I like
SamwiseRed
02-03-2015, 10:39 PM
as a native american i am offended that these forums are hosted by servers on my lands.
Littlegyno 13.0
02-03-2015, 10:50 PM
my thoughts on his name dont matter. BUT what does matter is that i found a "Elf Name" generator, and it is providing me the many entertainments
edit- and drugs r bad
rip fatheadfrank
fucking elf name generator jesus
thats the biggest grief since gronkus stealing box. sirken stealing our names.
red99
02-03-2015, 11:04 PM
If you dont have a sense of humor and cant be called a faggot 50 times a day, you have no business playing this game.
Since you people are too stupid to see what this thread is about . I'll make it simple.
Stop banning people, changing names, or enforcing random rules that no one even knows about.
The guild name holocaust is offensive, but thats not the point. Selective police work is the problem here.
Ether a rule exists or it doesn't. Unless sirken just likes doing random shit , then he should just come out and say so.
Free server, unpaid GM, Deal with it, etc.
Modus
02-04-2015, 08:56 PM
I have a few friends that are colored
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