Velious strategy

[lite]

When I was speaking to the Dentist crew and Colgate I was always told in Velious a group of people could effectively cripple a 90 man zerg raid force and we'd just shit all over nihilum, since you can't just zerg 32k HP mobs in 16 secs (lol).. But rather fights are 10 mins or so.

Unfortunately I don't know much about Velious.

Anyone that's played on the previous boxes able to give some details on how to go about this ?

What factions do I want to be on ? What are the best classes for this sort of cock blocking?

Azrael plans to remain an Elite compact fighting force that will be raiding with 40ish and 50ish at times and this information is very important to us.

CHEERS!

[Nihilist_santa]

Well first I suggest opening recruitment and ditch all of the boxing. That split focus going to kill you...

[Gotze]

If someones fighting a mob and someone pells or attacks them mid fight the person who attacks them should get put on the aggro list, not classic but solves a lot of bologna

[Kimm Bare|y]

No GF
Lose job/no job
Gain 350 lbs

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[lite]

If someones fighting a mob and someone pells or attacks them mid fight the person who attacks them should get put on the aggro list, not classic but solves a lot of bologna

LOL ... what ?

[krazyGlue]

give said Npcs. glowing black swords, so they can pell them selfs

[lite]

give said Npcs. glowing black swords, so they can pell them selfs

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[Zalaerian]

this has to be a troll since the last i saw, rich is still tagged azrael

[Lasher]

if you running with small crew I honestly dont think you will be able to greif as much as you were lead to belief.

AoW is easy to grief because its a long ass fight. Other mobs are either pretty quick fights or deep in a dungeon and you would need to train. So if you want to train then yes easy to grief

Dispell- on a mob eh who cares. Cant slow most mobs, you will dispell like malo, WD, and fire dots. Banes, rogs,wars, monks, will count for most dps

Miquel has best strat, dispell tank

[SHOWITME]

mobs outside of ntov are easy to grief without training.... gets alot trickier to pvp guilds who are in ntov, unless you are a monk.

easiest way to grief ntov raid is get a group of monks so you can FD thru the ntov door / hatchlings etc, kill 1-2 clerics, and zone out to plane of mischief

on live (on RZ anyway), griefing raids was alot easier because you could train mobs and not get banned for it, if you were heading to a fight to pvp and happened to agro a few mobs it didn't matter. but here, if u bring 1 mob to a raid im sure u will get banned anyway, so monk is the way to go

[Recycled Children]

Who are you kidding? You can't even contest Kunark mobs what makes you think you'll even be a factor come Velious?

[Thrilla]

Griefing Ascending Dawn with 6 people in Sleepers Tomb was cool while they were fighting a warder, Velious does lend to that kind of griefing with a small crew with correct faction but the gear disparity the primary guild controlling content will be immense as opposed to now

Ah.. velious, sometime in 2020

[SHOWITME]

alot easier to grief raids in velious compared to kunark.

mobs in kunark have 32k hp, and die in less than 20 seconds. everythign in velious has a few hundred k hp, and all u have to do is disrupt the healers, or kill rampage tank (on mobs who ramp), and u can wipe the raid.

[SHOWITME]

Griefing Ascending Dawn with 6 people in Sleepers Tomb was cool while they were fighting a warder, Velious does lend to that kind of griefing with a small crew with correct faction but the gear disparity the primary guild controlling content will be immense as opposed to now

Ah.. velious, sometime in 2020

thrilla i miss u pal, hope all is well on red99.

PM me teamspeak server u guys usin these days

[Lasher]

Velious mob like 450k hps.

32k mob down in like 20 secs.

450k mob like tormax be own in like 5-6 mins

[Smedy]

Nirgon The Old is already lobbyquesting to have players "not able to contest or harass a raid force" unless you have a raid force with equal size (numbers). There was no rule like this on live ever, he played on ralloz where training was allowed and 1 guy could keep 100 people from doing avatar of war, all night all day.

These blue fire giants only want whatever brings them uncontested pixels, sickening to say the least, the darkness is coming

[Buhbuh]

this lite having 8 threads on the first page of every forum is the height of desperation stage before he quickly deflates and quits

lookin' forward to it

though i did say by the end of january it would happen that way

alas, i was proven wrong (i think), unless this recent earth shattering defeat crippled your guild for another 3 months

[MavstabYoudead]

AoW is easy to grief because its a long ass fight. Other mobs are either pretty quick fights or deep in a dungeon and you would need to train. So if you want to train then yes easy to grief

Dispell- on a mob eh who cares. Cant slow most mobs, you will dispell like malo, WD, and fire dots. Banes, rogs,wars, monks, will count for most dps

Miquel has best strat, dispell tank

or you can just have faction in the zone in question and not have to worry about training or how deep in it is?

[Lasher]

Never know how things will turn out but I expect Holo to be aroun 75-100 deep.

You guys have faction in KC- I dont see it changing much so far

You guys will be able to disrupt but i think your belief in grief is far fetched imo.

Will pick a few off but not enough to stop us from downing te mob

[MavstabYoudead]

comparing kc to velious is a stretch, and that's putting it mildly. No clue if one group can disrupt a raid that size or not, but if you disrupt those ch rotations or knock out a MT or two that raid is going downhill quickly.

[Humerox]

1 guy could keep 100 people from doing avatar of war, all night all day.

and you don't see anything wrong with that, srsly?

doesn't need to be equal force...should just be force able to validly contest mob. you guys need to get off the gank crew mentality, recruit more and properly contest.

also stop being jerks and a lot more people will join your clubz

[MavstabYoudead]

and you don't see anything wrong with that, srsly?

doesn't need to be equal force...should just be force able to validly contest mob. you guys need to get off the gank crew mentality, recruit more and properly contest.

also stop being jerks and a lot more people will join your clubz

we don't want to zerg.

[Humerox]

we don't want to zerg.

a relatively large force is necessary to do serious content in Velious. if you guys don't change your attitude you will be non-factors in scrub gear that will ONLY be able to attempt grief

[MavstabYoudead]

you clearly have as much experience with velious as colgate. there is plenty of content you can do with the numbers we currently field to provide upgrades to kunark gear. Will we be killing dain, tormax, yelinak, ntov with mid 20s? No, but when that content is open i'm sure we'll also add more members.

not going to change our attitude to counter the zerg with another zerg. azrael isn't a zerg guild.

[quido]

Azrael and pals can field over 40 when there's no one to fight.

[MavstabYoudead]

Azrael and pals can field over 40 when there's no one to fight.

when was that? Most I've seen on since I've been back was mid 30s for trakanon during prime time hours for the domingueros (they had around 8 there) and for CT when we had like 33. It's a pretty constant mid 20s size raid force whenever we attempt something.

[Lasher]

Vindi, tormax, Statue will be quick fihts- 5-7 mins

AoW, most definitely can grief, its a long and fragile fight.

I believe i read that nilbog plans on making it so you an only bind at the zonelines of Kael and Skyshrine. That will prevent some griefing

Dain- depends how the banishing works but the zone in is a small bottle neck so easy to protect.

Yelinak has more potential to grief but i suspect most of us will be on dragon faction.

Zlandi/Klandicar are fast kills

Sontalak- More grief possibilites.

WTov- most will be on faction

Ntov- no one has Faction and Can leave certain mobs up for last to protect from griefers.

You will be able to interfere, disrupt, and gank people. Get lucky and wipe us from time to time early on in the learning curve but really dont see Griefing with small crew a huge thing.

[Humerox]

Will we be killing dain, tormax, yelinak, ntov with mid 20s? No, but when that content is open i'm sure we'll also add more members.

^^case closed bro. no one said you had to zerg...just that you had to validly contest. adding more members will certainly do that, don't u think?

[MavstabYoudead]

Would agree with most of your points lasher. If I can't contest the mob I won't be griefing, but can't tell others how to play or how to enjoy the pvp server.

[MavstabYoudead]

^^case closed bro. no one said you had to zerg...just that you had to validly contest. adding more members will certainly do that, don't u think?

yes we'll add more members when velious comes out not to throw 50+ against kunark content that you can kill with 18-24...

[Lasher]

10th ring war can be griefed too.

Lodi pvp will be fun for a long time. I tink that turtle is 24 hour ish spawn?

[MavstabYoudead]

10th ring war can be griefed too.

Lodi pvp will be fun for a long time. I tink that turtle is 24 hour ish spawn?

ya I wonder if the 10th ring war will have some kind of rules placed against it though. that's going to be hard to do while being griefed.

lodi is 24 hours, sf camp will be fun there as well for the eyepatch, dragons in WWs, dragon necropolis etc etc etc. this server really needs at least 500+ to keep pvp active in velious. The world just gets too big.

[Humerox]

yes we'll add more members when velious comes out not to throw 50+ against kunark content that you can kill with 18-24...

18-24 veteran players in good gear. you guys seem to think everyone on the box has been playing since release. you should actually thank Holo for educating some people that will ultimately join your crew and for helping to provide more pvp targets

if you had to deal with some of the newbie crap they do you'd shoestring yourselves

[MavstabYoudead]

we have plenty of newer players included in our numbers that don't have what I'd call "good gear". They are usually the ones that guys like checkraise brag about killing naked at their binds yesterday.

If you are dealing with "newbie crap" repeatedly that reflects on your own leadership, but you can get away with those kind of mistakes when you have the raid force you guys do.

[heartbrand]

Who did I kill naked? Nillioc gated from plane of hate from me and I happened to be bound literally on top of him. Boom headshot next.

[MavstabYoudead]

Who did I kill naked? Nillioc gated from plane of hate from me and I happened to be bound literally on top of him. Boom headshot next.

khomodo?

Since you have problems dealing with reality:
Vamaelx Holocaust Khomodo Azrael Trakanon's Teeth 0.02 January 29 2015 4:08:34 PM
Colgate Holocaust Khomodo Azrael Plane of Hate 0.19 January 29 2015 4:06:33 PM

Guess he gated to bind as well, right? Also went 4-0 yesterday in pvp, right? Congrats on the pixels.

NEXT

[Dacuk]

this has to be a troll since the last i saw, rich is still tagged azrael

reported for RL harassment. ban inc....
















glad to see u back in norrath pal

[gobletsmashing]

faction doesnt matter because Holo is gonna be farming all of them

[Kergan]

Dragon faction to grief ToV, giant faction to grief Kael, dwarf faction to grief icewell.

You're welcome.

[Infectious]

mobs outside of ntov are easy to grief without training.... gets alot trickier to pvp guilds who are in ntov, unless you are a monk.

easiest way to grief ntov raid is get a group of monks so you can FD thru the ntov door / hatchlings etc, kill 1-2 clerics, and zone out to plane of mischief

on live (on RZ anyway), griefing raids was alot easier because you could train mobs and not get banned for it, if you were heading to a fight to pvp and happened to agro a few mobs it didn't matter. but here, if u bring 1 mob to a raid im sure u will get banned anyway, so monk is the way to go
Kill 2 clerics in healing rotation and gate out. Thats why on classic you had a group watching both zones while you did kael. Cause one person can wipe a whole raid. Yes to pvp while raids are in progress. Hell mother fuckin no to training.

[Samaritan]

With they way you guys act when there are uncontested pixels, I sincerely doubt that Az will be anywhere near Holo in Velious. My money says you guys will be cock blocking Fresh on current raid content.

Feel free to prove me wrong...

[MavstabYoudead]

With they way you guys act when there are uncontested pixels, I sincerely doubt that Az will be anywhere near Holo in Velious. My money says you guys will be cock blocking Fresh on current raid content.

Feel free to prove me wrong...

why would we block anyone when past history has shown the opposite. only two guilds have monopolized raid content here nihilum and holocaust.

[Infectious]

With they way you guys act when there are uncontested pixels, I sincerely doubt that Az will be anywhere near Holo in Velious. My money says you guys will be cock blocking Fresh on current raid content.

Feel free to prove me wrong...
I mean not for nothing, but this game is about pvp and competition. Blocking a guild out of an area is what this game is about... Do some people go to far? Yes. But blocking a guild out of the top gear is what keeps you ahead of the rest.
If they make it where you cant attack a guild in mid raid, then whats the difference between here and blue server. It takes any strategy out of the game.

[Kergan]

If a group of 20 attacks a group of 80 in any of the end of xpac raids it's gonna be a wipe.

Welcome to EverQuest.

[Elderan]

Any small group can ensure Tormax and most everything in the arena never gets killed. I don't really support this though as I think all out pvp is much more fun than hit and runs.

[Chronoburn]

Well, the preferred method on SZ was just to crash the zone and reset the timers. Forget the guys name, Otslak? He was the leader of Vindictive.

[nicol]

Well, the preferred method on SZ was just to crash the zone and reset the timers. Forget the guys name, Otslak? He was the leader of Vindictive.

That was the method on most servers, though it was much more prevalent during Luclin when there were multiple options to crash zones.

[Elderan]

That was the method on most servers, though it was much more prevalent during Luclin when there were multiple options to crash zones.

You can still crash the zones, however it does not reset boss timers anymore.

[Gooch]

Busting CH chain is what I remember the most. Vel mobs are where the damage output started to really climb in EQ, like AOW quad hit. Other than that controlling bottleneck mobs, not really possible until Luclin, is the way to go.

[pingpong]

Dragon faction to grief ToV, giant faction to grief Kael, dwarf faction to grief icewell.

You're welcome.

Bout the only intelligent comment I've ever seen from you

[fred schnarf]

only north tov is scowl to everyone, and you can still log off chars at various spots, and since theres no secrets on red99 you can login at certain spots when certain guilds engage

many tears will be had, i almost want to make a rogue, almost

[HippoNipple]

yes we'll add more members when velious comes out not to throw 50+ against kunark content that you can kill with 18-24...

That's a good plan. Try to recruit players once expansion has already opened. I'm sure the level 60's with near BiS gear will be happy to start a recruitment campaign and start PLing new players and working on epic fights while the competition is gearing up in Velious.

[MavstabYoudead]

That's a good plan. Try to recruit players once expansion has already opened. I'm sure the level 60's with near BiS gear will be happy to start a recruitment campaign and start PLing new players and working on epic fights while the competition is gearing up in Velious.

sorry don't want warm bodies now when velious may not be released for another year. have fun.

[Pseudechis]

That's a good plan. Try to recruit players once expansion has already opened. I'm sure the level 60's with near BiS gear will be happy to start a recruitment campaign and start PLing new players and working on epic fights while the competition is gearing up in Velious.

Epics become a gimmick in velious.

Primal all the way.

[Kergan]

I dunno, most of the epics still hold value. SK one allows 2h bash for races w/o slam. Ranger proc still useful situationally, and the one with worn haste is 13/21 vs 13/20 for a primal 1h. Warrior epic will continue to be used for agro proc until someone is using a SoD/BoC combo. Rogue epic is only replaced by drops off Vulak and Tunare (it'll be awhile). Monk epic never gets replaced and can be used w/ primal.

So really for melees the paladin epic is the only one that will be replaced fairly quickly into the xpac.

[Kergan]

Bout the only intelligent comment I've ever seen from you

I post 1 useful comment per 500 posts.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

I know just about everything to Velious. Back on live when Velious was released I was an active raider (Iksar monk) in my guild. I was young back then only of the fifteenth or sixteenth of age but I slew many of dragons in the icy peaks of Velious. The guild I was a member of cleared all the content except for the mighty Vulak'Aerr who was controlled by a guild more powerful than ours. During the Planes of Power expansion set I quit EQ for a few years but returned at the 70th and 75th level cap. I formed a group of 6 exceptional players who relived the glory of ntov, the dain, zlandicar, velketor & Lord Doljonijiarnimorinar (not on the p99 wiki for some reason), vindicator, avatar of war cycle, western wastes dragons, everything. I even went on to future expansions and 1 grouped that raid content with a few friends as well.

Honestly It's one of my goals to protect Lord Vulak I may make a suggestion to the High council of <Dungeons & Dwagons> that it be our mission statement to protect Lord Vulak from any guild that seeks to put a blade to his throat.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Lord_Doljonijiarnimorinar

[Doors]

?

[Rexxin]

reported for RL harassment. ban inc...

glad to see u back in norrath pal

Would not mess with this velious professional....

[fred schnarf]

I know just about everything to Velious. Back on live when Velious was released I was unemployed as fuck. I was young back then only of the fifteenth or sixteenth of age but I slew many of dragons in the icy peaks of Velious. Instead of going out and getting pussy and hanging with friends i jammed myself up against the monitor and abused myself. Now instead of working and going out and getting pussy i just keep making EQ Guilds and talk about the glory days of starting a business, instead i just immerse myself in the toxic red99 community and bathe in pure tears. Please help me my life hurts

[Sheriff]

this has to be a troll since the last i saw, rich is still tagged azrael

Richie is for sure Azrael's Chief of Strategy Division and gives them there only chance of contesting once Velious drops in 2016.

[Bardalicious]

With the DPS output of melee-heavy mobs like Vindi I'd say fuck with the Cheal chain and it's gg.

[SamwiseRed]

should be fun

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1761157&postcount=5

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ST key wont be soulbound. now if only GMs stop summoning rotted corpses. shits about to get real classic up in here.

[Kergan]

So you could technically bring an entire raid force in with 2 ST keys then?

Lame.

[heartbrand]

Making them not soul bound rapes smaller guilds looking to grief

[Littlegyno 13.0]

So you could technically bring an entire raid force in with 2 ST keys then?

Lame.

NO DROP BUT NOT SOULBOUND U TARD

[Bardalicious]

ST should be completely hands-off for CSR like it was on live imo.

[Elderan]

So you could technically bring an entire raid force in with 2 ST keys then?

Lame.

No, they will be NO TRADE but not Soul Bound. Meaning when you die they stay on your corpse. So you have to make a corpse outside, zone in and make a corpse and then get ressed out and die and make a corpse leaving your key outside on that corpse.

Its a pain and honestly stupid they are leaving that in on release. The keys went to soul bound before POM was released anyway.

[Aradune]

tantor tusk, day 1

[Kergan]

NO DROP BUT NOT SOULBOUND U TARD

Damn I gots rekt.

[Steel Warrior]

I dunno, most of the epics still hold value. SK one allows 2h bash for races w/o slam. Ranger proc still useful situationally, and the one with worn haste is 13/21 vs 13/20 for a primal 1h. Warrior epic will continue to be used for agro proc until someone is using a SoD/BoC combo. Rogue epic is only replaced by drops off Vulak and Tunare (it'll be awhile). Monk epic never gets replaced and can be used w/ primal.

So really for melees the paladin epic is the only one that will be replaced fairly quickly into the xpac.

Why would a warrior use this weapon for aggro? http://wiki.project1999.com/Blade_of_Carnage

You don't know as much about Velious as you think you do.

Epic is already not the best warrior aggro combination, which means you don't know all that much about Kunark, either.

[Lasher]

best aggro weapon comes from Innothule swamp

[Ragnaros]

best aggro weapon comes from Innothule swamp

I thought everyone knew this?

[Baugi]

So really for melees the paladin epic is the only one that will be replaced fairly quickly into the xpac.

Paladin epic held up surprisingly well until the 2h revamp if memory serves.

Presumably there was a pretty big 1h vs. 2h gap to warrant the revamp though? I'm not sure how shield AC worked during Velious.

[Kringe]

When we originally said "when velious is released" small groups can fuck over big groups that still holds true for quite a bit of content... I wont get into all the logistics and secrets of really boning over the top guilds as my buddies (even though I don't play here are the top end), so explaining those strats to everyone isn't exactly what I would do...
Let's just say a competent group of the "right classes" per se, can screw over any guild attempting to farm Ntov /DN/Kael... Dain is easily bottlenecked and protected like stated before (I doubt dain will be done within the first few months anyways) the rest of the zones faction plays a huge roll.. And if this is anything like classic was (and Im sure Nilbog etc will drive it to be) you be faction switching every week, as that shit took a long ass time to get one or the other on live... Dragons etc are major hits, along with Tormaxx etc... but quite a lot more time along with those big hits were needed to get out of previous kos..
Mobs wont be downed in 6-7 minutes even with 70--90 people, as their AC is insanely high here (hence why farming primals were a huge advantage in pve content) because in velious in pve Attack played a huge roll in dps...
70-100man zergs still will take 15mins or so to kill said mobs.

[Nirgon]

Tormax to Yeli and back is a horrible grind

[heartbrand]

When we originally said "when velious is released" small groups can fuck over big groups that still holds true for quite a bit of content... I wont get into all the logistics and secrets of really boning over the top guilds as my buddies (even though I don't play here are the top end), so explaining those strats to everyone isn't exactly what I would do...
Let's just say a competent group of the "right classes" per se, can screw over any guild attempting to farm Ntov /DN/Kael... Dain is easily bottlenecked and protected like stated before (I doubt dain will be done within the first few months anyways) the rest of the zones faction plays a huge roll.. And if this is anything like classic was (and Im sure Nilbog etc will drive it to be) you be faction switching every week, as that shit took a long ass time to get one or the other on live... Dragons etc are major hits, along with Tormaxx etc... but quite a lot more time along with those big hits were needed to get out of previous kos..
Mobs wont be downed in 6-7 minutes even with 70--90 people, as their AC is insanely high here (hence why farming primals were a huge advantage in pve content) because in velious in pve Attack played a huge roll in dps...
70-100man zergs still will take 15mins or so to kill said mobs.

I think you need to play beta because mobs still die incredibly fast.

[MavstabYoudead]

fights won't take that long. people are infinitely better at this game now then they were on live due to knowing every possible way to make encounters easier.