Classes in demand

[yage]

Sorry for posting another one of these threads.

I'm back after two years overseas and want to get back into P99. I have a rogue I would really like to continue, but at the same time I don't want to spend all day LFG. Does anyone have any guidance on class populations/shortages/oversupply?

I figured rogues and monks would be the most heavily played, so I was thinking of going warrior.

Advice?

[Burrito]

but at the same time I don't want to spend all day LFG

If you don't want to spend time LFG, spend your time building one.

[loramin]

Trying to pick a class based on "what's popular" or "what's not popular" is a fool's errand. Just play whatever class you want, and if you aren't being invited to groups enough start your own.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The key to getting groups is the same principle that, irl, has made me the 3 time national staring contest champion.

Time.

[Rangerest]

enc, shm, and mnk are absurdly over represented at 60 if that answers your question

[Jimjam]

/who all (your level +/-2)

if you see someone in an xp zone you'd like to hit up send them a tell asking them something like if they are grouping and got a spare spot, if there are any other groups in zone or something like that.

[fiveeauxfour]

Rogues are actually not as represented as much as one would think considering they are top dps with the easiest epic in the game. They do mad deeps.

Warriors are always a great choice!

[maskedmelon]

Underplayed and desired? That is a tough one:/ There are a LOT of clerics, druids, enchanters, monks and shaman. There are very few rangers and paladins, though they are not necessarily all that desired I would think rogue would be good for getting groups. Warriors are terribad unless raiding, though they are nevertheless popular with some folks. I think if you are going for desirability, you should stick with your rogue, or roll a sham, chanter or bard. Even though all three are overplayed, they are not all that often well played. It really isn't that difficult to get a group with any class though, so just play what you like ^^

[Bristlebard]

Rogues are always in high demand by guilds. But yeah, if you try to level one up just by sitting around with LFG on, it's gonna be miserable.

Start your own groups, fill a friends list with people who want to group with you, consider stuff like duoing with a necro or a bard or something, and stuff like that, instead of just waiting for someone else to ask you to join a group.

[MaksimMazor]

http://p1999pop.dmsimard.com/db/Classes

Class breakdown

[Lune]

Rogues are not a bad class when it comes to finding groups willing to take you.

You're the (second) best group dps in the game behind a charming enchanter, and they cost the least EXP of any dpsy class, roughly tied with a warrior. Most importantly, dps stacks. Your typical group probably wants only 1 shaman, 1 enchanter, 1 cleric at most. Sometimes they don't even want a tank and go with a monk instead. But there are 3 or more spots for dps usually, and they want to fill those spots with rogues.

But really more than anything, unless you're a ranger, it has more to do with your skill at finding groups, which involves knowing: 1. Where and when to look 2. How to talk to people and make connections 3. How to build your own groups

[Rivthis]

http://p1999pop.dmsimard.com/db/Classes

Class breakdown

How is this compiled? The about doesn't state where the numbers come from.



edit: for spelling =(

[fuark]

I'd agree with most of the above. Rogue is a great char to stick with if you enjoy it. Although you may see a million rogue alts with epics in the mid levels, there are very few level 60 mains. You should always be needed in groups and raids. If your main concern is actually soloing though, definitely try and find something else that will suit your needs.

I never had trouble finding a group at all on my rogue (and I am in an Asian time zone, when there are like 400 people on the server).

[Zero_Anonyma]

rangers and paladins

[HeallunRumblebelly]

This question gets asked all the time, and it's always the same answer. If you're not getting groups it's because you're not forming groups. Really. There's always a decent amount LFG and plenty of unanonymous people to send tells to. Being a cleric also helps with this burden as you can get started earlier and they're really a group killer if you don't have one.

But seriously, there's always so many people sitting around with dicks in their hands unwilling to start anything. I guess if you don't know the zones it could be a bit burdensome but damn, we got maps on the wiki :P

[Mentathiel]

As a rogue, getting a group when there is one going doesn't take long. I have been in groups with three rogues before, we're just that desirable. If the tank is good and the rogue is evading aggro, we contribute nothing to the group's down-time. Wizards need to med, enchanters lose control of their pets, but rogues keep stabbing all day long in return for a little STR/haste buffing.

I do have days where there's just nobody in my level range or just nobody in the zone but a bard running in circles (they even try it in Unrest), but I've never seen any other class chosen over a rogue unless there was a specific call for a healer or tank to replace a departing character.

The flip-side is that a rogue solos about as well as a druid tanks; it can be done, but you wouldn't want to make a habit of it...

[Susano]

Tiers for needed classes are as follows:

God Tier = Cleric/Warrior

Good Stuff Tier = Rogue

Good Stuff When 60 Tier = Wizard

Too Many but Still Good as Shit Tier = Enchanter/Monk/Shaman

Do Not Play Tier = Shadow Knight/Paladin

Dog Shit Bottom of the Barrel Tier = Druid/Mage

I think I got em all.

[Fanguru]

With Velious, there will never be enough clerics, warriors, rogues and wizards.

So yeah, go with your rogue, safe choice.

[Swish]

Tiers for needed classes are as follows:

God Tier = Cleric/Warrior

Good Stuff Tier = Rogue

Good Stuff When 60 Tier = Wizard

Too Many but Still Good as Shit Tier = Enchanter/Monk/Shaman

Do Not Play Tier = Shadow Knight/Paladin

Dog Shit Bottom of the Barrel Tier = Druid/Mage

I think I got em all.

Bards wru? In with the rogues I'd say.

Rangers wru? Debatable!

Necros? In the right hands a very capable class with tons of utility. But everyone who hates necros never played one to a decent level, and therefore "omg they suck"

[Mentathiel]

I think what you need to consider is that, at least while levelling, a group needs one cleric and one tank. Warrior and cleric might be 'god tier' in Susano's list and they are the essential components that a group is built around, but you rarely see two of them unless you are in a specific location; two clerics in a Befallen / Unrest / Mistmoore group is not uncommon for example, but mainly because of the undead.

Rogues 'stack' nicely. They never get in each other's way, they never compete for aggro and they never reduce each other's damage unless they do something incredibly stupid like hit the Instill Doubt skill by accident. Three rogues are three times as good as one rogue in most cases.

Also, until you hit the raid scene, a Paladin or SK is just as welcome in most groups as a warrior. I say most groups; some people are still scared of the exp penalty for some reason. Yes, a warrior has a 10% bonus instead of a 40% penalty, but they also cannot LoH to keep themselves alive on a bad pull or FD to dump the mob onto the off-tank.

[Swish]

Rogues 'stack' nicely. They never get in each other's way, they never compete for aggro and they never reduce each other's damage unless they do something incredibly stupid like hit the Instill Doubt skill by accident. Three rogues are three times as good as one rogue in most cases.

If you have 2 rogues its a good idea to form 3 sides of a triangle with the tank if he's struggling to hold it versus 2 epic daggers, and if one of the rogues gets aggro (even briefly) there isn't much movement required to keep backstabbing.

Rogues are good, but you really can't have the "I'll just get a fungi and solo" attitude which is probably why there's way more monks.

[Mentathiel]

If a tank is losing aggro to a rogue, one or both of them needs to learn how to play their class. I've done duo / trio tanking with other rogues (aggro-tennis and the triangle-formation you describe) before because the tank has gone LD, but consistently gaining aggro to the point where you are doing that with a tank requires a rogue who doesn't know how to evade and a tank who failed to train their taunt skill.

That or a rogue with an insanely-high DPS or a high-aggro proc like a Serrated Bone Dirk.

[myriverse]

How is this compiled? The about doesn't state where the numbers come from.
It comes from parsing logs from /who all and screening for duplicates as well as a player can.

About a year and a half ago (outdated by now), Ephi posted this data, taken from the actual server database:
,1-10,11-20,21-30,31-40,41-50,51-59,60,All Levels
Warrior,10.64%,7.73%,8.13%,6.61%,6.87%,5.75%,8.08% ,9.79%
Cleric,7.12%,8.14%,7.88%,7.49%,7.79%,9.48%,11.53%, 7.42%
Paladin,4.74%,4.03%,3.69%,3.08%,2.92%,2.12%,1.79%, 4.41%
Ranger,3.82%,3.51%,3.30%,2.88%,3.03%,2.26%,1.79%,3 .65%
Shadowknight,6.72%,5.40%,4.64%,5.03%,4.95%,3.39%,2 .32%,6.23%
Druid,8.80%,10.68%,12.21%,14.46%,13.58%,13.44%,7.2 2%,9.59%
Monk,8.46%,7.02%,9.24%,8.97%,8.15%,10.60%,10.01%,8 .41%
Bard,8.15%,6.71%,5.86%,4.45%,5.51%,5.21%,3.91%,7.5 7%
Rogue,5.72%,5.44%,5.66%,5.67%,5.65%,6.15%,7.09%,5. 70%
Shaman,7.13%,9.09%,7.90%,8.57%,8.88%,8.68%,12.46%, 7.59%
Necromancer,10.52%,11.08%,10.80%,11.00%,10.32%,11. 18%,7.82%,10.61%
Wizard,5.40%,3.95%,4.10%,4.55%,4.81%,4.09%,7.16%,5 .09%
Magician,6.50%,9.11%,9.51%,9.71%,9.54%,10.30%,6.03 %,7.25%
Enchanter,6.26%,8.11%,7.07%,7.53%,7.99%,7.35%,12.7 9%,6.70%
All Classes,73.60%,12.57%,5.12%,2.88%,2.07%,2.89%,0.87 %,100.00%

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1035629

[Evia]

What lvl is your Rogue? I <3 my rogue so much I really don't play any other class (on the blue server) and I never usually have issues finding a group. Sometimes it can be tough, but in those cases I just create my own. Rogues (as already said) are highly desired for our dps ability but we also offer some nifty utility in the form of unlocking doors (crypt for example) and corpse draggin'. Definitely things that are fun imho. However, warrior isn't a bad choice either especially if you're looking to raid.

[fadetree]

What classes are needed? Ones that aren't played by tards.

[Kagey]

With velious around the corner having a rogue main is a great idea. DPS is something that groups and guilds will need a large amounts of. Yes wizy but your bane spells wont be coming in for sometime, And they are burts not sustained during fights and raids.

[Ezalor]

Anything can get a group, provided you are willing to put forth the effort.

[Swish]

Anything can get a group, provided you are willing to put forth the effort.

[mr_jon3s]

Play whatever you want to play. Getting groups isn't hard if your willing to put in a little effort. That means who all level class and sending tells. Once you get a group try to make friends with the people who are good and put them on your friends list.

[Susano]

Tiers for needed classes are as follows:

God Tier = Cleric/Warrior

Good Stuff Tier = Rogue

Good Stuff When 60 for Raiding Tier = Wizard/Bard

Too Many but Still Good as Shit Tier = Enchanter/Monk/Shaman

Do Not Play Tier = Shadow Knight/Paladin/Ranger

Dog Shit Bottom of the Barrel Enjoy Playing a Social Game Solo Tier = Druid/Mage/Necro

I think I got em all.

Bards wru? In with the rogues I'd say.

Rangers wru? Debatable!

Necros? In the right hands a very capable class with tons of utility. But everyone who hates necros never played one to a decent level, and therefore "omg they suck"

Ok, updated the list, thanks, it was late when I made it :/

[Tenlaar]

Ok, updated the list, thanks, it was late when I made it :/

Thinking that bards are only good for raiding at level 60 invalidates anything you could ever have to say about the value of anything in EQ.

[Susano]

Thinking that bards are only good for raiding at level 60 invalidates anything you could ever have to say about the value of anything in EQ.

Outside of PL'n give me examples of situations where a group would want a bard?

Bards are great for raids, but in a group all they bring is a large xp penalty and lackluster buffs/CC.

[TheBlackSheep]

Hmm. Looks like I need to dump my necromancer and start playing my wizard instead.

[Cyborgazm]

Are Necros really that hard to get groups with at higher levels? I remember my Necro friend always grouped durig the Kunark era.

[Tenlaar]

Outside of PL'n give me examples of situations where a group would want a bard?

Almost every situation.

[kaev]

Outside of PL'n give me examples of situations where a group would want a bard?

Bards are great for raids, but in a group all they bring is a large xp penalty and lackluster buffs/CC.

lol, you've never grouped with a really good bard in a dungeon? I loathe the sad little zone disrupting circle-jerkers who get bored and quit the toon at 50, but it is so nice being with a skilled bard in a dungeon.

[TheBlackSheep]

I love bards. I've just never been skilled enough to play one.

[feanan]

a large majority of bards are lazy in group.

however, when you do find that one that isn't....oh my. want!

[Geoz]

what makes a bard good, or lazy? how many songs are going or what...just wondering so i don't suck n not get groups

[Doil_Boil]

Outside of PL'n give me examples of situations where a group would want a bard?

Bards are great for raids, but in a group all they bring is a large xp penalty and lackluster buffs/CC.

Anytime they don't have an enc or shaman, basically..

[mr_jon3s]

what makes a bard good, or lazy? how many songs are going or what...just wondering so i don't suck n not get groups

Pull, snare, mez, charm, haste, regen, and dps.

[captnamazing]

we always need monks*


*that are willing and capable pullers

[Swish]

what makes a bard good, or lazy? how many songs are going or what...just wondering so i don't suck n not get groups

Those "afk, gotta eat something quick... i'll leave regen/mana regen song on" bards, who try to hang it out for 30 minutes thinking you won't kick them :p

Don't be one of those :p

[Lunababy]

enchanter and shaman are really the only super needed classes for a group endgame that are also the best at soloing. bard is a bit up there too

no tanks and clerics cant solo, and druids arent needed endgame.

[kaev]

Oh get off it people. Let's quit ignoring the elephant in the room, shall we? The absolute best EQ class is Paladin. Nothing compares, well, nothing except Ranger but Rangers are treehugging hippies so fuck them. It's a bitch to get groups, true, but only because all these other nerds are so fucking jealous of the awesomeness that is Paladin.

Paladin, it's where it's at.