Possible to make plugging =YT and death?

[Bodybagger]

Just curious if in any realm it would be possible for plugging to get you death and YT? I fee like it'd make PVP a let less lame and resolve a lot of forumquesting via actual pvp... and it doesn't really effect anyone negatively... so if possible to implement I don't see how it couldn't be a good thing? :confused:


Not sure exactly how you could implement it though, but I'd imagine you could see a way connection is terminated client side and just DT on zone in or something? Not sure... just curious.

[Rekrul]

Could make it a different message, and not death, fled like a cowardly dog or something, just so ooc can judge you.

[Jib]

you just need to simply learn that in order to secure a kill you need to do what is required to bring their hp to zero before they have enough time to plug at the zl.

there are many ways to make this happen.

welcome to eq pvp

[Infectious]

Ya but someone could exploit like this. Bard runs up, hits with skipping stone and runs away. In huge outdoor zone he forces you to not leave until he is dead.
Plugging is classic. Lets get velious going

[Rekrul]

you just need to simply learn that in order to secure a kill you need to do what is required to bring their hp to zero before they have enough time to plug at the zl.

there are many ways to make this happen.

welcome to eq pvp

this is the reality, but it would be more fun if it wasnt. zl hugging/plugging is lame

[Kimm Bare|y]

You could try not hanging out near a zone line.

[Tassador]

Yea remove plugging and zoning but keep gates and ports up.

[chrystianvz]

Welcome to EQ pvp. If I have an out, I'm not dying just for some honor bullshit. I'm getting out and recovering later. Especially in far off zones. A naked run to some far off zone if no rez is viable takes a huge chunk out of play time.

[chrystianvz]

a lot of people crash from zoning even with no pvp around

making them eat a death with yellow text just because client/server is buggy is a retarded idea

also asking for rogean to code custom shit is basically pointless

This too. 15 year old game on current OS isn't always that stable.

[Tassador]

Welcome to EQ pvp. If I have an out, I'm not dying just for some honor bullshit. I'm getting out and recovering later. Especially in far off zones. A naked run to some far off zone if no rez is viable takes a huge chunk out of play time.

This guy gets it.

[skipdog]

Why would you want to bring even more non-classic crap to the server? I just don't even understand. Plugging is an integral component of classic eq pvp!!

[Kergan]

Every time they've tried to put in anti plugging code it has gone horribly wrong. Remember last time when you had unkillable PC ghosts randomly spawning on the other side and shit?

No thanks.

[silo32]

gms here in a stream a lil while ago have already declared that

plugging is classic and there will be no change

fyi in velious things are different when zones are super far away and put you out a bit from the zone line when you zone

zone hopping dies in velious to an extent

but for now its classic

deal with it

/thread

[Sirken]

Just curious if in any realm it would be possible for plugging to get you death and YT? I fee like it'd make PVP a let less lame and resolve a lot of forumquesting via actual pvp... and it doesn't really effect anyone negatively... so if possible to implement I don't see how it couldn't be a good thing? :confused:


Not sure exactly how you could implement it though, but I'd imagine you could see a way connection is terminated client side and just DT on zone in or something? Not sure... just curious.

yes. haynar and i and i believe nilbog were discussing this not too long ago

[Doors]

yes. haynar and i and i believe nilbog were discussing this not too long ago

Thank the p99 gods.

[georgie]

this is the reality, but it would be more fun if it wasnt. zl hugging/plugging is lame

But ita nice when you have a oor healer or a very uneven fight I.e 3v1

[Akalakamelee]

If the ability to plug is removed then zone camping should be considered against the rules (just as it was on live) and enforced. If that isn't done your simply giving people more tools to grief others that do not have as much playtime and/or gear as they do.

[Milton]

dat green text

[Infectious]

yes. haynar and i and i believe nilbog were discussing this not too long ago

I have been leveling up my plugging skills since I been on this server. Im not as aggressive as the rest of the boys. Wheres my compensation?

[Technique]

Didnt say was gonna prevent. Was thinking if you zone less than a certain HP, and its clear someone was gonna get you, send YT that you fled like a cowardly dog from person who did most dmg.

[Gustoo]

you just need to simply learn that in order to secure a kill you need to do what is required to bring their hp to zero before they have enough time to plug at the zl.

there are many ways to make this happen.

welcome to eq pvp

[Smedy]

The funny thing is, if you legit crash during zoning, it usually puts you as a ghost on the other side of the zoneline because the crash happens as the client is loading the local data and not when the connection is being established between the server and the client. But when you "plug" you usually crash the client in the "handshake" part of the zoning and that's why it never puts you on the other side of the zoneline

Since people who crash legit already suffer from ghosts lingering on the other side, why not just make it so that pluggers do too? Come to think of it this might be the reason there's no real good anti-plug system as there's no good way to tell who zoned if the client crashes before the handshake has been made.

[Lasher]

I have plugged and will continue to plug that being said I would vote for an anti plugging

[MavstabYoudead]

a lot of people crash from zoning even with no pvp around

making them eat a death with yellow text just because client/server is buggy is a retarded idea

also asking for rogean to code custom shit is basically pointless

this. not sure how they would code it to differentiate between zoning while engaged with pvp or a normal crash while zoning.

[LostCause]

just remove zones and make it a open world problem solved.

[Thrilla]

should be some code like, if there is a debuff, melee or player casted offensive spell within the last 5-10 seconds and that player disconnects from that zone whoever casted the last spell or melee hit would get YT, could be good.

course it would cause some people YT for other reasons so ud have to have logic for exceptions such as guild vs guild or ppl in same group

[Stasis01]

Kind of fucks melee over if you ask me.

[Stasis01]

But melee hit box the size of Sektors dick and Malosini landing on 200 MR and blind why not.

[Akalakamelee]

124 MR base, I resist most roots, never been blinded while geared. Not sure how other have such a hard time

[Bodybagger]

Kind of fucks melee over if you ask me.

How the hell do you figure it fucks over melee? You mean... the guys who zone and then can instantly burn a backstab or quad or double on me with huge 2handers? WTF does a caster get to do to you if they are being force to zone dance or plug?

Dumbest shit I have ever seen or heard on red, right there.

Like last night, Iool's is some fungi's ragebringer pathetic loser rogue who was griefing a group in unrest and I was headed there on my not at all adequately geared SK as Akalakamelee was logging fo rthe night and he was like dude, fuck that noise... and I was like no, his ass is mine!

Proceed to get there, and when he logs in 20 min later to make his rounds again, he drops a clothy that was low hp in my group, and panics shitting bricks running for ZL when he realizes he's been dropped to 40%, then proceeds to fight at ZL and keep running out and back in for more. It was a stalemate. He was no threat to me, but could recharge and come in and drop the other rags newbs with me, but I couldn't YT on him and was resorting to OOC insults to try and draw him into finishing the fight instead of running like a coward when he has fungi and ragebringer and is lvl 22 or so against my sk with nathsar greatsword and basically the shittiest gear I can scrape together with any MR on it (no effect on the rogue)

That guy should've eaten a death or YT ever time I forced him to zone after he engaged in PVP. That'd fuck his pretty little leader board score attempts grieifing. I really hope they implement a system like I discussed in other thread though that makes it to where you can engage in pvp any level/time you want but engaging characters who haven't engaged in pvp below lvl 30 or so worth 0 points, and no YT. Without the server message and scoreboard, there is no value to griefing, however if after X PVP kills your YT and score are on, you can still have fun scorable pvp any level, but only with people who are also pvp'ing. Killing random nameless nonfactors would get you 0 recognition on paper.

edit: last part may be pretty confusing, I'll try and find the post I made with better detail description of a new system, that encourages valuable PVP at any level range and doesn't reward griefing, but also doesn't stop it. Completely red solution.

[Akalakamelee]

Fungi twinks are just blue players who can't PvP any other way. It's sad when my ranger makes fungi twinks run with my epic SP tunic.

[Gucci Mane]

But melee hit box the size of Sektors dick and Malosini landing on 200 MR and blind why not.

http://assets.noisey.com/content-images/article/gucci-mane-is-changing-his-name-to-guwop/21df332bc64b7ccd128f7dbcc9163ddc_vice_670.jpg

[Trainhop]

lol why not everyone in the top 100 be susceptible to item loot, with a list readily available marking them for pvp death. Weapons,ranged,ammo,bags, no drop, off limits and everything else is fair game basicly anything in the armor slots or unbagged stuff like a lightstone in the inventory for example.

[Bodybagger]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1753000#post1753000

This is OP I made about modified leaderboard scoring. Make it start from 0 score for any player under x level, make your score based off your number of kills, but you have no base value with 0 kills to your name until lvl 30 or 40 for leaderboard purposes.

It doesn't impede low level pvp in any way ,and also puts a huge target on the heads of twink griefers for anti griefers to PK them for big points. Super red solution resulting in more quality pvp imo, while in no way reducing current pvp.. though I do think with no credit on leaderboard the YT they generate would only provide the twink griefers so much joy...

Akalakamelee I told you I was gonna go make him my bitch haha. Unrest confirmed 100% Happy last night.... til I logged over to shaman for a second and he came in and whipped the group and they broke... lol

I also OOR healed them against a very mildly twinked bard that was trying to gank our clothies lol SICK OOR SK heals FTMFW. Laughed when kid called 6v1 when 3 of us were not in range and he was attacking our druid healer who had lvl 14 spells, and a gnome wizard oom, and a rogue in total rags that still melee pvp'ed better than him

[Nirgon]

HOW THE FUCK IS JEREMY'S CHAR HE HAS LOGGED IN GOING TO FIGURE OUT LEVELS IF EVERYONE IS ANON

[quido]

Nirgon figured out why Season 2 isn't out yet

[Bodybagger]

HOW THE FUCK IS JEREMY'S CHAR HE HAS LOGGED IN GOING TO FIGURE OUT LEVELS IF EVERYONE IS ANON

Server side mod to remove YT under a higher level, if they are able to implement YT based on number of kills or something? *shrug* It's just an idea lol, I'm sure there is some way to implement it.

Even if it requires people sending tells to the monitoring character with their level when they get YT'd or something stupid simple. Since the Leaderboard tracker is the one responsible for the rampant griefing imo anyways, they can track who is and isn't a low lvl loser raping rags newbs for points vs legit pvp

More importantly, with my system, as stated, someone without kills being worth 0= doesn't matter what level I am, and we all know who the lvl 40+ players are based on zones they get killed in mostly, doesn't take long to identify.... seriously... is it that difficult? How much lvl 50+ pvp taking place in crushbone and unrest and mistmoor guys? Shut turkey gobblers and think for a second next time.

[Kergan]

Nothing against Jeremy but unless they put in an in-game leaderboard like many other servers have then the leaderboard is worthless.

I understand the desire to stay classic here but lets get real, what exactly is classic about PVP here? YT not classic. Resist code not classic. Item changes like hoops and trak teeth not classic. Just throw classic out the window for PVP specific shit and lets make a good system that rewards PVP so people do it.

Take a look at RoZ for example. If you're in a group that gets a PVP kill you get a token which can be used to buy gear. PVP would fucking EXPLODE here if you could get items through it. You also have an in-game leaderboard that tracks kills and assists, so healers don't get completely hosed. There is a reason that for the average player PVP is an afterthought on R99 and generally only occurs on any sort of large scale when you're fighting over pixels.

Despite my public FQing against Azrael I'd love for a guild like them (PVP focused, not concerned with "winning" repop day) to be able to gear up through killing other players.

Maybe this server is too ingrained in its ways and this type of thing would need to wait until another PVP server opens (if ever), who knows. But there are even classic roots with this type of system, being that SZ used a coin based system. That was more used to even out the class imbalance (summon corpse potions for example) but the precedent is there.

[Bodybagger]

I'm just not a fan of any system that has uncontested twinks topping the leaderboard... the entire goal of Red99, EQ PVP as a whole, is the ability and idea that everything can be contested and that's the extra edge it adds over blue99 or regular EQ. Yes just killing someone is fun, but killing someone to win a camp or raid target or just claim you and your couple of friends are kings of zone X and taking on all challengers, that's the fun of it all. Item rewards and coins are nice but just having a reason to kill is reward enough for most... battling twinks against rags newbs to top leaderboards isn't incentive for legit pvp, it's incentive for griefing. But make their kills worthless and make it up a bounty and see if it doesn't grow pvp. I've been getting newbs to fight back and running them off.... the bluebies can learn, all it takes is one red soul to call the charge against a griefer and shut them out. One half decent geared in range PVP'er does more to challenge a griefer than an OOR healer/buffer for a rags newb.

[Kergan]

In order to have a super twink you pretty much are guaranteed to have max level raid gear equipped main. If you gave people incentive to PVP on their level 60s you'd see a lot less newb griefing.

[HippoNipple]

Nothing against Jeremy but unless they put in an in-game leaderboard like many other servers have then the leaderboard is worthless.

I understand the desire to stay classic here but lets get real, what exactly is classic about PVP here? YT not classic. Resist code not classic. Item changes like hoops and trak teeth not classic. Just throw classic out the window for PVP specific shit and lets make a good system that rewards PVP so people do it.

Take a look at RoZ for example. If you're in a group that gets a PVP kill you get a token which can be used to buy gear. PVP would fucking EXPLODE here if you could get items through it. You also have an in-game leaderboard that tracks kills and assists, so healers don't get completely hosed. There is a reason that for the average player PVP is an afterthought on R99 and generally only occurs on any sort of large scale when you're fighting over pixels.

Despite my public FQing against Azrael I'd love for a guild like them (PVP focused, not concerned with "winning" repop day) to be able to gear up through killing other players.

Maybe this server is too ingrained in its ways and this type of thing would need to wait until another PVP server opens (if ever), who knows. But there are even classic roots with this type of system, being that SZ used a coin based system. That was more used to even out the class imbalance (summon corpse potions for example) but the precedent is there.

It sounds like a good system but RoZ has plenty of problems keeping people interested and there are a lot of people on that server that complain about it and leave. I think rewarding PvP with points and gear turn PvP into a grind that is no longer fun. Reminds me of queuing battlegrounds over and over.

Having all items come from mobs keeps the PvP over PvE alive. There really wouldn't be a reason for guilds over 6 people anymore. Just run around in gank crews and the only people losing would be those trying to level or do PvE.

I do wish the devs would allow Jeremy or someone to implement an in game leaderboards that could use some information a player can't obtain on his own. Levels, classes, assists, etc.

[Akalakamelee]

Item loot would fix the twink problem. Also would give new players incentive to try to pk them as they would have a shot at very expensive gear

[Kergan]

Except that it didn't on the only server it's been used on.

[Kergan]

It sounds like a good system but RoZ has plenty of problems keeping people interested and there are a lot of people on that server that complain about it and leave. I think rewarding PvP with points and gear turn PvP into a grind that is no longer fun. Reminds me of queuing battlegrounds over and over.

Having all items come from mobs keeps the PvP over PvE alive. There really wouldn't be a reason for guilds over 6 people anymore. Just run around in gank crews and the only people losing would be those trying to level or do PvE.

I do wish the devs would allow Jeremy or someone to implement an in game leaderboards that could use some information a player can't obtain on his own. Levels, classes, assists, etc.

The reason it has issues keeping people there has nothing to do with the PVP aspects though. It doesn't have the P99 code, it has insta level 50s and cranked up rates of exp and faction gain. It isn't designed to be a sustained server, its designed to play in 3-6 month intervals, wipe, and start over.

I wouldn't advocate for any item being available via PVP. But imagine things like a guise of the deceiver or simple shit like gate potions, weight reduction bags, etc. It doesn't need to be end of the expansion loot for people to get fired up about it.

[Akalakamelee]

Except that it didn't on the only server it's been used on.

On live? Of course it did. I looted all sorts of stuff on my ranger decked out in all no drop. No drop gear obtained at lvl 15 is terrible by the way

[Kergan]

People didn't bother with super twinks on RZ because they didn't have time to mess around with it. I played at the high end on RZ (not just some roleplaying twink clown character in Qeynos hills) and we barely even touched VP in Kunark. You didn't have a server full of neckbeards sitting for 2+ years at the same xpac like here.

[Bodybagger]

I don't disagree at all, but I also don't want red99 to turn into blue99 pure top heavy lawyerquest. A system hat allows for a strong midrange PVP experience but one that is rewarding pvp not grief would also be excellent. Also feel bad players would be forced to learn to pvp better end game instead of grief newbs if no sport in it.

[Kergan]

Well, on SZ you had the insignia scale with level. Minor from 10-20, lesser from 21-30, regular from 31-40, etc. Not sure if that was exact but you get the point. You needed 10 of the previous tier to create one of the next tier.

Pretty much made farming newbs a very inefficient way of getting coins, but made them not worthless.

[Akalakamelee]

What about a system that rewards players for high point kills and punishes them for low/zero point kills. Maybe gear vouchers for high point kills, and increased pvp range for low/zero points. Eventually crushbone gankers would be in range to higher end players and that fungi would be meaningless

[Akalakamelee]

Well, on SZ you had the insignia scale with level. Minor from 10-20, lesser from 21-30, regular from 31-40, etc. Not sure if that was exact but you get the point. You needed 10 of the previous tier to create one of the next tier.

Pretty much made farming newbs a very inefficient way of getting coins, but made them not worthless.

That isn't that bad of an idea, if it could be based off of leaderboards score it would fit more into how this box works

[Bodybagger]

Too easy for the twinks who are smart/skilled to just bag shit or pull off an hp ring and suicide away from item loot honestly. It really just limits the griefing pvp to lvl 1-20, maybe 30ish... where they can avoid burst dps kill power of higher level nukes and stabs

It would help some but definitely isn't a complete solution to twinks, unless other twinks actively start hunting the twinks for item loot which if they don't hunt them now I doubt they'd bother then still

[Kergan]

Item loot is pretty cool in classic when there are a relatively small amount of super high end droppables. It's basically PVP oriented stuff like diamond rings changing hands. Once you hit Kunark it just becomes a completely out of whack risk vs reward, losing a trak BP or RBG because your cable connection took a shit. By Velious it becomes essentially worthless because you can have full non drop BiS.

[Akalakamelee]

Item loot is pretty cool in classic when there are a relatively small amount of super high end droppables. It's basically PVP oriented stuff like diamond rings changing hands. Once you hit Kunark it just becomes a completely out of whack risk vs reward, losing a trak BP or RBG because your cable connection took a shit. By Velious it becomes essentially worthless because you can have full non drop BiS.

Change the velious items to droppable?

[Bodybagger]

What about a system that rewards players for high point kills and punishes them for low/zero point kills. Maybe gear vouchers for high point kills, and increased pvp range for low/zero points. Eventually crushbone gankers would be in range to higher end players and that fungi would be meaningless

That would be like the ultimate version of my idea, adding penalties for killing 0 kill players lol... a variable level range, or a narrowing level range, based on points haha... imagine all the hard core pvp'ers who try to park at x level to grief ending up only able to kill +/- 1 or 2 levels lol or able to be killed by +/- 10 levels on a lvl 20 twink. Problem is if you expand range it expands range they can kill too haha, unless it only expanded UP... like if somehouw your +/- 4 range could shift to -3/+5, -2/+6, -1/+7, -0/+8... the more you kill and higher you score, the less you're allowed to kill lower players. Would be funny way to see zones like Seb start opening up because of over level PVP locking down zone.

[Bodybagger]

Change the velious items to droppable?

problem is it isn't as hard to gank someone as it is to raid sleeper and get phat loots, so it's somewhat imbalanced for time spent to earn gear I guess...

[Akalakamelee]

That would be like the ultimate version of my idea, adding penalties for killing 0 kill players lol... a variable level range, or a narrowing level range, based on points haha... imagine all the hard core pvp'ers who try to park at x level to grief ending up only able to kill +/- 1 or 2 levels lol or able to be killed by +/- 10 levels on a lvl 20 twink. Problem is if you expand range it expands range they can kill too haha, unless it only expanded UP... like if somehouw your +/- 4 range could shift to -3/+5, -2/+6, -1/+7, -0/+8... the more you kill and higher you score, the less you're allowed to kill lower players. Would be funny way to see zones like Seb start opening up because of over level PVP locking down zone.

Seems like this would promote higher end pvp. Also might encourage newer people to red to try to pvp instead of getting high end just to make crushbone gankers

[Bodybagger]

Yeah but I like the system that just takes wind form sails of griefers and makes them high bounties for anit griefing, true low lvl pvp. I do think PVP is meant and can be very fun to enjoy, at any level range, not just 45/50+ but current leaderboard lends itself directly to douchebaggery for high scores. like what stops me form being a lvl 9 fungi twink monk and YT'ing everyone with 0 consequence if I die because no YT?

What makes my kills against rags characters as valuable as true pvp against a skilled/geared opponent? What on leaderboard accounts for assists etc? It's all just bad form imo and lends itself to worse pvp. Should be taken down til improvements made to have KPI's that truly reflect skilled pvp. Til then, even YT most people get is more than they deserve haha

[Akalakamelee]

Yeah but I like the system that just takes wind form sails of griefers and makes them high bounties for anit griefing, true low lvl pvp. I do think PVP is meant and can be very fun to enjoy, at any level range, not just 45/50+ but current leaderboard lends itself directly to douchebaggery for high scores. like what stops me form being a lvl 9 fungi twink monk and YT'ing everyone with 0 consequence if I die because no YT?

What makes my kills against rags characters as valuable as true pvp against a skilled/geared opponent? What on leaderboard accounts for assists etc? It's all just bad form imo and lends itself to worse pvp. Should be taken down til improvements made to have KPI's that truly reflect skilled pvp. Til then, even YT most people get is more than they deserve haha

YT can't happen until lvl 10, all lvl ranges of pvp are fun. It would be nice to adjust the system to discourage griefing

[Bodybagger]

Is it not based on character dying lvl though? or does it check both character levels to be greater than 10 for YT?

[Kergan]

There is a reason those items are non drop, so you have to participate in killing the raid target to get it. EQ is a PVE based game and you can't destroy the PVE balance for the sake of PVP or the entire game goes to shit.

[vouss]

Holy fuck bodybagger and alakamelee's posts are fucking awful

[Kergan]

Holy fuck bodybagger and alakamelee's posts are fucking awful

In b4 you're called a Holo nutswinger.

[Akalakamelee]

Holy fuck bodybagger and alakamelee's posts are fucking awful

Just when I thought this post wouldn't get shit on by holo nut huggers...

[Kergan]

Haha oh man I'm good.

[Akalakamelee]

In b4 you're called a Holo nutswinger.

I'll hand it to you on this post kergan, you seem to have some valid points I can appreciate that.

[Kergan]

I will give you credit for being the first and only person to call Beastagor a Holo nuthugger.

[Akalakamelee]

Oh he is AZ right? Probably one of the ones I don't care for very much

[Kergan]

Yeah but I like the system that just takes wind form sails of griefers and makes them high bounties for anit griefing, true low lvl pvp. I do think PVP is meant and can be very fun to enjoy, at any level range, not just 45/50+ but current leaderboard lends itself directly to douchebaggery for high scores. like what stops me form being a lvl 9 fungi twink monk and YT'ing everyone with 0 consequence if I die because no YT?

What makes my kills against rags characters as valuable as true pvp against a skilled/geared opponent? What on leaderboard accounts for assists etc? It's all just bad form imo and lends itself to worse pvp. Should be taken down til improvements made to have KPI's that truly reflect skilled pvp. Til then, even YT most people get is more than they deserve haha

The frustrating part is pretty much every other PVP server ever created has had in-game leaderboards that do things like track assists, give credit for healing, etc. There just seems to be no interest in doing that here so we end up with half assed player run leaderboards (not due to lack of effort on their part, just due to lack of a true API to access information like player level/class).

[Bodybagger]

I'd gladly kill any and all of your pixels given the chance, any other guild tags but mine mean nothing. Kergan what lvl is that little SK of yours now? ;) I came calling but went unanswered...


as for vouss.... if oyu have any constructive comments as to a better system that encourages more and better quality pvp, by all means speak up, otherwise why don't you shut your twinkie hole and not post. I am so sick of all of the toxic little FQ trolls who think their job in life is just to try and spread as much fecal matter as possible via pixels. If you have better ideas speak up, or even if you want to critique others' ideas, at least form a coherent sentence and briefly make a logical statement as to which portions you find flawed or needing improvement.

You know... actual thought, conversation, constructive environment where improvements are made.

TL;DR herpderp you're a fire giant vouss herpderp (did I do it right?) NEXT

[Akalakamelee]

He sounded as brainless as most holo posters, safe to assume.

[Kergan]

Obviously not safe to assume since you assumed wrong?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I'd gladly kill any and all of your pixels given the chance, any other guild tags but mine mean nothing. Kergan what lvl is that little SK of yours now? ;) I came calling but went unanswered...


as for vouss.... if oyu have any constructive comments as to a better system that encourages more and better quality pvp, by all means speak up, otherwise why don't you shut your twinkie hole and not post. I am so sick of all of the toxic little FQ trolls who think their job in life is just to try and spread as much fecal matter as possible via pixels. If you have better ideas speak up, or even if you want to critique others' ideas, at least form a coherent sentence and briefly make a logical statement as to which portions you find flawed or needing improvement.

You know... actual thought, conversation, constructive environment where improvements are made.

TL;DR herpderp you're a fire giant vouss herpderp (did I do it right?) NEXT

TLDR

[Pikrib]

Rating this thread 5 stars

[Akalakamelee]

Obviously not safe to assume since you assumed wrong?

we all make mistakes :)

[Bodybagger]

TI replied therefore I read it

I wish I was cool enough to spend all day on a text based social forum only to claim anything longer than one or two monosyllabic sentence fragments was too long for me to spend time reading or even comprehend.

tl;dr You think it's cool to claim to be illiterate. It just further shows you're an immature loser when you post tl;dr :cool:

[Akalakamelee]

TLDR

you cared enough to reply.

[Kergan]

haha

[Bodybagger]

I was also wondering if it wouldn't be simple for them to implement an actual LnS system in game since they already YT distinguishing a PVP death, and have a clickable window to claim loot and scoot upon death, before respawn, that showed in YT as well or something? Because I get tired of seeing wimps cry LnS once they are all the way back to their body trying to snatch it and stuff... LnS should be called immediately. I wouldn't grant LnS if called within zone after you prepared and ran back to corpse and ish. and all your buddies know I just killed you via YT, call LnS on death or prepare to be killed on sight.

The more that is implemented to automate the successful nature of PVP and remove constant hand holding via GM intervention and petitionquest, the better red looks and performs as a whole. I am honestly far too inexperienced to be able to provide perfect solutions for it all, both in PVP and any form of what goes into coding this shit, but I know there are people here who could provide constructive feedback towards all of this and the box could thrive with a few small improvements, though perhaps super massive headaches to implement?

[Akalakamelee]

Built in LnS? Seems interesting. Maybe it should flag your character with a color change on the name or something similar to a LFG tag. It would make it real simple for a GM looking into an LnS dispute. Not sure how the devs could do it, but that may be a great help to.staff

[HippoNipple]

Oh he is AZ right? Probably one of the ones I don't care for very much

Chewie would kick you out of FoH for this.

[HippoNipple]

Built in LnS? Seems interesting. Maybe it should flag your character with a color change on the name or something similar to a LFG tag. It would make it real simple for a GM looking into an LnS dispute. Not sure how the devs could do it, but that may be a great help to.staff

Chewie would kick you out of FoH for this.

[HippoNipple]

What about a system that rewards players for high point kills and punishes them for low/zero point kills. Maybe gear vouchers for high point kills, and increased pvp range for low/zero points. Eventually crushbone gankers would be in range to higher end players and that fungi would be meaningless

Chewie would kick you out of FoH for this.

[Akalakamelee]

Welcome to the akalakamelee fan club

[Bodybagger]

If the GM's are going to enforce LnS as part of the PNP then it should just be implemented and move on. If I killed you once with your gear I don't mind doing it again. Why would I need you to be naked/ Because 90% of YT is twink griefers, 6v1, bind kills, afk kills, low hp kills, or kills while engaged with mobs?

PVP isn't supposed to be a camp. You don't break the camp and then enjoy easier subsequent kills. Take on some real PVP and shut the hell up. I don't think they should make it mandatory LnS, but IF they excpect LnS to be part of Pnp here it needs to be implemented as such.

If you disagree take it up with the masters of the box not me. I don't call LnS. I've eaten 3 naked deaths in a row on characters that were already practically naked, only to finally get my rags back and go back for some more with some other rag wearing scrubs. Your mighty YT means nothing to me. Your leaderboard means nothing to me. I will PVP you, win or lose, and I will PVP you some more. And one day I will have pixels of my own and I will contest your griefing with my counter griefing because I prefer real pvp, where I have an opponent, not a victim, because that means I am a champion, not a bully.

[Humerox]

If the GM's are going to enforce LnS as part of the PNP then it should just be implemented and move on.

um it IS part of the PnP policy and has been for a long time. ignoring something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. enforcement is just something that has been lacking.

read the PnP policy. it might help

[Akalakamelee]

um it IS part of the PnP policy and has been for a long time. ignoring something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. enforcement is just something that has been lacking.

read the PnP policy. it might help

LnS is selectively enforced it seems. Guess you gotta roll with the top guild if you want Pnp to apply

[Bodybagger]

um it IS part of the PnP policy and has been for a long time. ignoring something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. enforcement is just something that has been lacking.

read the PnP policy. it might help

EXACTLY WHY IT MAKES NO SENSE TO CALL ME BLUE FOR TRYING TO SUGGEST A LnS SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY.... ya know... WORKS. :confused:



So many toxic pieces of ish around here. I wish they'd flush this overflowing toilet and make you all restart in rags just to see some real PVP between everyone.

I have never called LnS. I deal with grieifing twinks who taunt you after kills in tells telling you to call LnS and they'll stop and ish... but they aren't there to xp, they aren't contesting mobs, there is nothing to LnS from.

I don't know where oyu guys get off calling LnS, forumquesting and lawyering with GM's over LnS, and raging on me for suggesting a better LnS system just so I don't have to see yall cryin 24/7. Please, one of you give me one single reason that implementing a proper system for effective LnS, when LnS is being (selectively) enforced as part of the PnP, has anything to do with me being more blue or more red? It doesn't. It's part of YOUR server. RED server. LnS is pure RED, it can't even exist on BLUE so to say elsewise is beyond moronic. If you don't want any LnS at all take it up with GM's, otherwise accept that a system that forced true LnS ON DEATH is the best solution so you don't have to petition and FQ all the time to get results.

GTFO monica. NEXT

[Akalakamelee]

EXACTLY WHY IT MAKES NO SENSE TO CALL ME BLUE FOR TRYING TO SUGGEST A LnS SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY.... ya know... WORKS. :confused:



So many toxic pieces of ish around here. I wish they'd flush this overflowing toilet and make you all restart in rags just to see some real PVP between everyone.

I have never called LnS. I deal with grieifing twinks who taunt you after kills in tells telling you to call LnS and they'll stop and ish... but they aren't there to xp, they aren't contesting mobs, there is nothing to LnS from.

I don't know where oyu guys get off calling LnS, forumquesting and lawyering with GM's over LnS, and raging on me for suggesting a better LnS system just so I don't have to see yall cryin 24/7. Please, one of you give me one single reason that implementing a proper system for effective LnS, when LnS is being (selectively) enforced as part of the PnP, has anything to do with me being more blue or more red? It doesn't. It's part of YOUR server. RED server. LnS is pure RED, it can't even exist on BLUE so to say elsewise is beyond moronic. If you don't want any LnS at all take it up with GM's, otherwise accept that a system that forced true LnS ON DEATH is the best solution so you don't have to petition and FQ all the time to get results.

GTFO monica. NEXT

Not even worth the time to try dude, these forum children clearly like it the way it is. Screw em, I'm done dealing with jackasses that shit up legit posts with nonsense. These forums are clearly nothing but toxic and a waste of time.

[Kergan]

rekt

[Akalakamelee]

rekt

More like the fail trolls are no longer entertaining.

[Kergan]

Nope. You got FQ griefed son.

NEXT

[Akalakamelee]

Nope. You got FQ griefed son.

NEXT

I'm sure your parents are proud

[Akalakamelee]

Nope. You got FQ griefed son.

NEXT

Its ok, I know you could not beat me anyways. Your all bark pal. See you in game.... wait nvm

[Kergan]

Double rage post, rustle confirmed.

[Bodybagger]

Shut up or make a post with something constructive to say about the game. No one cares about your forum persona. I got a glimpse of an actual person for a few posts. That I cared about. Trolling isn't amusing, it isn't causing grief to anyone but other trolls, which is neither myself nor Akalakamelee. We are here to play a game, enjoy the game, and provide feedback if it could help the game be better, though we are happy to play it as it is now and happy it exists for us to enjoy.

The only person you are trolling is yourself, by believing you've made a negative impact on someone else and that it somehow makes you feel better about whatever you have going on in your life. It doesn't. Stop trying to bring down the quality of life for everyone and try to think of ways to improve, and go enjoy the game.

You aren't funny. You aren't cute. You aren't impacting us in any way. We log on and play the game while you guys log in and turn /ooc into more FQ. It's sad because I saw a real person post the other day and it was constructive and engaging. This persona of yours is boring and stale.

[Kergan]

Sorry you feel upset that I griefed a pedo sig off the forums.

RIP in peace

[Akalakamelee]

Sorry you feel upset that I griefed a pedo sig off the forums.

RIP in peace

Your boring and stupid. I'll still post, I just won't acknowledge you

[Kergan]

That is a very interesting egg in your signature.

[Pikrib]

Yeah what the hell is that in your sig?

srs question expecting srs answer here.

[Bodybagger]

Sorry you feel upset that I griefed a pedo sig off the forums.

RIP in peace

You didn't grief anyone off anything. Rest in peace in peace? You are a retard. l2english and quit getting out forum quested by a nobody if you are as great as you think you are.

You are not even sport for me. I offer up letting you throw in the towel and just be a real person and let it go, but you can't seem to do it so forget it. Enjoy your miserable existence of thinking you have an impact by being a 'troll' instead of having an actual personality. Good luck with your sad miserable existence within the confines of this forum. I was hoping you'd actually behave like an adult and make more constructive posts but since you show no interest in contributing positively in any way, I will just put you on ignore now. All you ever do is say the same shit in every post anyways, now it will continue in that manner and balance will remain unrustled. Peace.

[Kergan]

Rest in peace in peace? You are a retard. l2english and quit getting out forum quested by a nobody if you are as great as you think you are.


lol

[Bodybagger]

Yeah what the hell is that in your sig?

srs question expecting srs answer here.

It's bad eggs. Really really bad eggs.

There's a link above it though.... clicky clicky

[Akalakamelee]

It's bad eggs. Really really bad eggs.

There's a link above it though.... clicky clicky

Its called a century egg, the wiki link in my sig will describe it

[Kergan]

Very interesting and informative.

[Jimmybones]

Its called a century egg, the wiki link in my sig will describe it

you are a fckin weirdo

[Bodybagger]

"you are a fckin weirdo", he said on a forum for an emulator for a 15+ year old elf simulator.

:cool:

[Kergan]

This is a very open community. For instance 2 out of every 3 players here are either trannies or have functional levels of autism.

About the only thing that will get you ostracized is being a pedo. :)

[Jimmybones]

"", he said on a forum for an emulator for a 15+ year old elf simulator.

:cool:

elaborate plz u weirdo fgt

[Bodybagger]

elaborate plz u weirdo fgt

Jimmybones tries to cast a spell on you but you are protected.

Ask a moderator to elaborate for you.

[Kergan]

Roleplaying comeback, cringeworthy.

[Akalakamelee]

you are a fckin weirdo

SomeOne needs to make things interesting.

[Clark]

you just need to simply learn that in order to secure a kill you need to do what is required to bring their hp to zero before they have enough time to plug at the zl.

there are many ways to make this happen.

welcome to eq pvp