Attn Redpals

[Sirken]

Hello Redpals, this ones important, youre going to want to read all of it.

As you guys may have noticed, for a while now, the red server has been getting a lot more staff attention, both from the csr side and the dev side. These things have been happening because you guys are all trying to run your guilds in ways that are favorable to server growth, and the staff sees that (granted, some guilds have different mindsets and/or goals, at least in my personal opinion), but for the server to continue to grow and stay healthy, both the staff and the players will need to continue to make an effort, and will need to continue to work together and listen to each other . The red server can not be a lil row boat that is kicked out to sea to be left on its own.

Tomorrow i will begin pestering Rogean for a new red forum that will be readable to all but posting would be limited to select guild leaders on Red99. it would serve as a place for healthy discussion, not insults or rnf BS. it would be a place the staff and devs could quickly look to see how the server was going, and to get suggestions from, and brainstorm with players on whats best for the server moving forward into the future.

Red99 is no longer the wild west. i have been spending a lot more time on red, both observing and chatting with players to get a better feel for the terrain. soon we will begin training new guides on both servers, and there should be near around the clock staff presence on red.

There is no magical wand that can be waved to just make everybody start playing nice, to eliminate the dumb shit that happens both in game and out of game. Im sure ive told most of the GLs that they can always message me before shit goes down just to have me there ahead of time in case somebody tries something. and if nothing happens then A+, but if something does happen, id be there. however, i can not be everywhere at the same time, and in some dungeons its very hard to see everybody at the same time when youre all spread out, which is why i strongly suggest guilds to have someone running fraps.

moving forward, all raid disputes will be submitted by one guild representative and will include any and all fraps/SSs/logs (feel free to include times of interest from the video in the petition so i know what im looking at). You will only have 7 days to submit a raid dispute to the petition forum, after that it will be considered null and void. my decisions on these disputes will be final, and i will not listen to any appeals after my decision has been made (and in return i ask that you are patient with these petitions as i will not be rushing through them, and they may have to sit a little while until i have the time to sift through them, or bring in other staff for second opinions as needed).

Furthermore, as of the time i send out this message, we will absolutely be holding Guild Leaders accountable for the actions of their members, and so i strongly suggest getting leashes on some of them dogs. Now i know sometimes unintended things happen, and i dont expect any of you to have to walk on egg shells. just know if your people's actions are shitty enough, or disruptive enough, i will be punishing your accounts along with whatever other punishments come out on the guild as a whole. The first set of these guild suspensions has already gone out today.

i hope you all know that i respect all of you, and that i'm only being hard because i care and want to send a very direct message. Again, i will be as available as possible, so when you know a raid mob is gonna be contested, let me know, and ill try to be there. i very much look forward to working with all of you fine redpals towards a healthy and prosperous Red99!


<3
Sirks

[Thrilla]

First

All hail sirken

[MavstabYoudead]

Good to hear. Is it possible to list what players are being suspended and for what so people have awareness that rules are being enforced? I know all I've heard when people complain about trains/stealing mobs with OOR toons etc is that it's been "resolved" with no actual description of what that means.

[Zade]

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Good stuff Sirkpal

[Smedy]

pras sirken, keeping it real as always

[Kergan]

A forum with 2 people posting kinda boring imo.

[Swish]

As leader of <More Cowbell> I look forward to joining the discussion.

Wait, that guild purge... :(

[Genedin]

I feel like this is the fifth time I have read this exact message.

I truly hope these stated plans actually come to fruition.

[Guido]

pras sirken

just want to add, I think it should be made public what toon committed what crime

so community knows to watch out for these offenders again. and so we actually see enforcement being done.

[Samsung]

Great post!

[Koota]

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[Infectious]

SIRKEN THE BASE GOD!!!

[dontbanpls]

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[Schnarf]

lol staff make up rules as they go, hire joke staff like derubel who ban people for almost no reason / fun and the server is a gigantic RMT / toxic grief fest

who are you kidding? server will never be successful

its a toilet.

[aborted]

Server doesn't need more outside supervision....Havn't you guys noticed its flurishing on its own, jumping in with your new rules does nothing but hurt the server. People will grief and move on, but you admins act like control freaks, this is not blue.

[Nirgon]

who are you kidding? server will never be successful


Average peak number of players end of classic: 15-40


Average peak number of players end of Kunark (????? maybe we're close): 315-330


Oh ye of little faith


Now... if you want it to be successful and are griping? Get new people over here and help them up / get binded in similar areas + some starter plat.

If you don't want it to be successful and are griping? Dunno what to tell you.

[krazyGlue]

The world is our oyster

[Sirken]

Server doesn't need more outside supervision....Havn't you guys noticed its flurishing on its own, jumping in with your new rules does nothing but hurt the server. People will grief and move on, but you admins act like control freaks, this is not blue.

what new rules are you referring to?

i should warn you tho, i smell a gif in your near future

[aborted]

So your not suspending guilds from certain raid targets?

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[Sirken]

So your not suspending guilds from certain raid targets?

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this might come as a shock to you, but firstly, thats not a rule at all. its a form of punishment. its not new. and if it doesn't work, i can think up even harsher penalties to give out when warranted.

anything else?

[Ragnaros]

I fucking love Sirken, We in Red are his children and he takes care of us. I have been noticing his presence a lot in game lately, pras. Population thriving.

[Nirgon]

Should be a week for trains or ninja looting like on blue.

My 2cp.

You need to force guild leaders to control their members one way or the way.

Way I see it after this week, should be one week in the tank for both Azrael and Holo (trusting your judgement).

Gotta say I do appreciate you cracking down. The days of using throw away characters (then just log on another 60 np) to be shitbags needs to end. I see enforcement such as this being a great way to handle things.

[heartbrand]

I'm still at a loss as to how lite has not been banned for boxing even once. say what you want about amelinda but she was great at taking out boxers.

[Ragnaros]

NEXT

[Eslade]

Should be a week for trains or ninja looting like on blue.

My 2cp.

You need to force guild leaders to control their members one way or the way.

Way I see it after this week, should be one week in the tank for both Azrael and Holo (trusting your judgement).

Gotta say I do appreciate you cracking down. The days of using throw away characters (then just log on another 60 np) to be shitbags needs to end. I see enforcement such as this being a great way to handle things.

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pras Sirken

[Pseudechis]

Sirken can you put up a post about who is banned and why. A lot of trolling and lawyer questing going on and everything most people are commenting on is second hand information provided by heavily biased folks.

[vinnidel]

LOL so that's get this straight. The server was growing on its own, i.e. **WITHOUT GM INVOLVEMENT**, and now since it's considerably bigger, GMs gonna step in and start "helping".

If if not broken, DO NOT fix it. Fuck off Sirken, fuck off GMs. Let red handle itself. it grew to 3x pop without you.

[Ereni]

As leader of <More Cowbell> I look forward to joining the discussion.

Wait, that guild purge... :(

He nuked <Catalina Wine Mixer> too! :confused: Who would do such a thing?

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[Akalakamelee]

Sirken is a fair and just GM. Keep in mind that guys like sirken do this in their spare time just so everyone else and enjoy the game. While the community has helped boost it's own population with the help of staff it can grow even higher. Pras to sirken.

[Akalakamelee]

He nuked <Catalina Wine Mixer> too! :confused: Who would do such a thing?

Hundreds of 2 player guilds is kinda pointless IMO

[Nirgon]

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pras Sirken

You realize that is a post thanking Sirken for finally bringing raid level punishments for people training/zone disrupting?

Ain't cryin' about shit bud.

[aborted]

Its a blue punishment, make them fight to the death or something, don't treat us like blue for fuck sake.

[Infectious]

this might come as a shock to you, but firstly, thats not a rule at all. its a form of punishment. its not new. and if it doesn't work, i can think up even harsher penalties to give out when warranted.

anything else?

Sirk, dont even respond to these troll fucks. Holding guild leaders/offciers responsible is probably best thing you could put in. With gms around and answering petitions and leaders actually being held accountable for their members we might actually have a normal server, that doesnt scare away normal people.

[dontbanpls]

Looking forward to being involved in this forum on my ban evasion account gonna be real goog 8]

[Eslade]

You realize that is a post thanking Sirken for finally bringing raid level punishments for people training/zone disrupting?

Ain't cryin' about shit bud.

sure looks like it.

[iiNGloriouS]

Can we require actual fraps WITH sounds to be provided as proof? Instead of ssing a bullshit fraps just to lawyerquest your way around things. ESPECIALLY if its raid suspensions being handed out.

We need a sense of clarity in this age of red and not a bunch of half assed decisions skewed by lawyerquest.

[Schnarf]

this might come as a shock to you, but firstly, thats not a rule at all. its a form of punishment. its not new. and if it doesn't work, i can think up even harsher penalties to give out when warranted.

anything else?

free miraclegrow

[Kergan]

Any update on requirements needed to post in this forum? I am considering making a guild just for forum access.

Thanks.

[Ella`Ella]

moving forward, all raid disputes will be submitted by one guild representative and will include any and all fraps/SSs/logs (feel free to include times of interest from the video in the petition so i know what im looking at). You will only have 7 days to submit a raid dispute to the petition forum, after that it will be considered null and void. my decisions on these disputes will be final, and i will not listen to any appeals after my decision has been made (and in return i ask that you are patient with these petitions as i will not be rushing through them, and they may have to sit a little while until i have the time to sift through them, or bring in other staff for second opinions as needed).


Shall I show them how it's done, Sirk?

[Doors]

Shall I show them how it's done, Sirk?

Probably not considering you don't play here or know shit about shit that goes on with the end game.

[JudgementRed]

Shall I show them how it's done, Sirk?

What have you done besides:

- Run <Forceful Entry> into the ground
- Be the main reason for a mass exodus of members from <The Mystical Order>
- Single-handedly shit up the raid scene on blue with intentional trains, cheating, and absurd levels of petition-questing
- Using Daddy's credit card to RMT from Supremacy?

[heartbrand]

What have you done besides run both <Forceful Entry> into the ground, become the main reason for a mass exodus of members from <The Mystical Order> , and shit up the raid scene on blue with intentional trains, cheating, and absurd levels of petition-questing? .... and using Daddy's credit card to RMT?

nice red getting big enough for blue drama to spill over here now

[Genedin]

lol

[Nirgon]

sure looks like it.

Well, I'm glad punishments are being enforced at the guild level and it is regrettable you have terrible reading comprehension or in the more likely case, are an idiot.

[Erock KVen]

The days of using throw away characters (then just log on another 60 np) to be shitbags needs to end. I see enforcement such as this being a great way to handle things.

We've entered the days of using throw away characters to join "enemy guilds" and be shitbags. A new form of whatever you guys call lawyerquest will emerge, and a new defense "it was a spy"

[Fame]

Red99 is no longer the wild west.

a sad day in the history of red99, never forget.

[Kergan]

Shall I show them how it's done, Sirk?

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[Wrench]

I'm still at a loss as to how lite has not been banned for boxing even once. say what you want about amelinda but she was great at taking out boxers.

sure hope more guides means more cracking down on boxing

shits a running joke

[Schnarf]

boxing the least of the problems on re99

[Fame]

Serious question here, what was the problem on red? Red fuckin thriving right now brews, if you cant see that, i dunno wtf, srs or dum?

[Fame]

no exp loss on pvp, pnp, safe place to zerg, players are rootable, shit is a cake walk now compared to a few years ago, I really do not see any problems on red at all atm.

[iiNGloriouS]

no exp loss on pvp, pnp, safe place to zerg, players are rootable, shit is a cake walk now compared to a few years ago, I really do not see any problems on red at all atm.

Derailing thread to talk to pal Fame: Chanters level 20, wheres your bard pal?

[Fame]

Stuck at work for another three hours or so

[Eslade]

Well, I'm glad punishments are being enforced at the guild level and it is regrettable you have terrible reading comprehension or in the more likely case, are an idiot.

Why ya gotta throw insults dawg?

[Labanen]

glad Red is gonna get more attention. good post Sirken, now give us winter its too damn hot out there.

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[Glenzig]

Serious question here, what was the problem on red? Red fuckin thriving right now brews, if you cant see that, i dunno wtf, srs or dum?

These are mainly end game type enforcements. Sure the server has been thriving for the last 2-3 months. So what does that mean? That means that there is a large influx of players that are getting their first taste of raiding on R99. If its allowed to be rules free, then it wont last long. People will leave. No one wants to have their raid night ruined by being trained repeatedly. Pvped out of the zone? Sure. Great. But training and the like are not good for anyone. Use your head.

[HippoNipple]

We just went from

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to

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in about 5 minutes

[iiNGloriouS]

Stuck at work for another three hours or so

Have to catch you later in the night then; goin to work in a few myself.

[HippoNipple]

Holocaust increasing server population to all time highs. Even GMs are jumping on that gravy train fighting for their share of the glory just 6 months after damning this server saying they no longer give a shit about it because one GM event didn't go as planned.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

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[iiNGloriouS]

Holocaust increasing server population to all time highs. Even GMs are jumping on that gravy train fighting for their share of the glory just 6 months after damning this server saying they no longer give a shit about it because one GM event didn't go as planned.

[Nirgon]

didn't death touch scum at a GM event.

[Sirken]

Holocaust increasing server population to all time highs. Even GMs are jumping on that gravy train fighting for their share of the glory just 6 months after damning this server saying they no longer give a shit about it because one GM event didn't go as planned.

im sorry, when have i ever said i "no longer give a shit" about red?

[Kergan]

Think it was Derubael who said that. :)

[Zereh]

Not a dig at Sirks. Because <3.

But take a look at the rousing success of Blue's end-game / raid scene ... why replicate what doesn't work and set the Red up for more fail?

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[Littlegyno 13.0]

Not a dig at Sirks. Because <3.

But take a look at the rousing success of Blue's end-game / raid scene ... why replicate what doesn't work and set the Red up for more fail?

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niiice. goog.

[HippoNipple]

The Duke's soldiers are lurking and waiting for the right time to pounce.

[Kergan]

We are like a sleeper cell ready to be activated.

[Buhbuh]

All I remember from that night was everyone on all sides seemingly enjoying themselves. I think people even said so in ooc on both sides.


It was sort of reminiscent of VZTZ. I had more fun during that than any other fight in recent memory.

Though that didn't stop petitionquesting a victory. But that's also cyclical. People lose in game and petitionquest whatever piecemeal wins they can get - pretty much a constant on all sides for the entire length of the server.

[Kergan]

I think if you submit a petition and it's proven to be bullshit you should eat the same suspension that the opposing side would have received should said claim have proven legitimate.

[Humerox]

I just want to say thanks, Sirken. Red has always had the capability to attract many more players than it has and this increased involvement in the server is a good thing.

Pras Sirken! :D

[mrproudbeard]

I think if you submit a petition and it's proven to be bullshit you should eat the same suspension that the opposing side would have received should said claim have proven legitimate.

[GrobbGangsta]

boxing the least of the problems on re99

You are a more pathetic version of Harrison

[krazyGlue]

I think if you submit a petition and it's proven to be bullshit you should eat the same suspension that the opposing side would have received should said claim have proven legitimate.
Derubael already said he was going to start enforcing this due to players lawyer questing lns and baiting people to kill them on lns

[Swish]

Red99 is no longer the wild west.

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YEEHAW!

[Sirken]

Not a dig at Sirks. Because <3.
But take a look at the rousing success of Blue's end-game / raid scene ... why replicate what doesn't work and set the Red up for more fail?
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blue and red are completely different animals, and blue is nothing like it was back in 2011. one thing ive noticed is that everyone has their toons on separate accounts purposely to have throw away accts for suspensions. punishing entire guilds should curb that :D

The Duke's soldiers are lurking and waiting for the right time to pounce.
Sirken be lurkin, in anticipation of just such a moment.

[krazyGlue]

blue and red are completely different animals, and blue is nothing like it was back in 2011. one thing ive noticed is that everyone has their toons on separate accounts purposely to have throw away accts for suspensions. punishing entire guilds should curb that :D


Sirken be lurkin, in anticipation of just such a moment.

Was trolling I would never do such a thing

[Dubs]

R99 becoming a police state. LNS ruining the game pvp is more about trying to get someone in trouble.

[Humerox]

this has been a massive issue since the start of the server

now if only you would just punish every single character for the actions of a throwaway alt, we'd be golden

that would be maddening to try to keep up with, lol

looking at the guild history of certain idiots would help tho since they like to de-tag before they get stupid then re-tag afterward

[Sirken]

this has been a massive issue since the start of the server
now if only you would just punish every single character for the actions of a throwaway alt, we'd be golden
but... then id be the only person left on the server

not hard to blanket ban IPs
also not that hard to figure out whose alts are whose
would also discourage people from sharing account info and cut down on a lot of the stripping/deleting that goes on
not hard to get a new ip :p
again, at the rate people share and have shared, i think i could literally ban 95% of the accounts on the server if we just blanket suspended everything a person logged into when they screw up.

[Swyft]

Hello Redpals, this ones important, youre going to want to read all of it.

As you guys may have noticed, for a while now, the red server has been getting a lot more staff attention, both from the csr side and the dev side. These things have been happening because you guys are all trying to run your guilds in ways that are favorable to server growth, and the staff sees that (granted, some guilds have different mindsets and/or goals, at least in my personal opinion), but for the server to continue to grow and stay healthy, both the staff and the players will need to continue to make an effort, and will need to continue to work together and listen to each other . The red server can not be a lil row boat that is kicked out to sea to be left on its own.


This server has flourished more in the wild wild west era than ever before, staff intervention and adding rules has only deterred population here. Especially when no one is ever told what they are banned or suspended for lol, how can you expect people to follow the rules when they never know what rules they broke.


Tomorrow i will begin pestering Rogean for a new red forum that will be readable to all but posting would be limited to select guild leaders on Red99. it would serve as a place for healthy discussion, not insults or rnf BS. it would be a place the staff and devs could quickly look to see how the server was going, and to get suggestions from, and brainstorm with players on whats best for the server moving forward into the future.


I don't think that certain players chosen by GM's should be given VIP status, that to me sounds like blatant favoritism. Why should some players be allowed more influence on the server than others?


Red99 is no longer the wild west. i have been spending a lot more time on red, both observing and chatting with players to get a better feel for the terrain. soon we will begin training new guides on both servers, and there should be near around the clock staff presence on red.


Why do you want to step in now when the server is thriving all on it's own. Last time i saw a Gm intervene on a raid they death touched 20 members of the wrong guild when the other guild was the LNS offenders. I think these quick and rash decisions made from shooting from the hip rule enforcement, are more of a deterrent to playing here than any of the lax rule enforcement.

If you removed training, play nice policy, and LNS rules this server would thrive even more because although some players might suffer, at-least we wouldn't have 20 people banned a month with no clue why they were banned.


There is no magical wand that can be waved to just make everybody start playing nice, to eliminate the dumb shit that happens both in game and out of game. Im sure ive told most of the GLs that they can always message me before shit goes down just to have me there ahead of time in case somebody tries something. and if nothing happens then A+, but if something does happen, id be there. however, i can not be everywhere at the same time, and in some dungeons its very hard to see everybody at the same time when youre all spread out, which is why i strongly suggest guilds to have someone running fraps.

moving forward, all raid disputes will be submitted by one guild representative and will include any and all fraps/SSs/logs (feel free to include times of interest from the video in the petition so i know what im looking at). You will only have 7 days to submit a raid dispute to the petition forum, after that it will be considered null and void. my decisions on these disputes will be final, and i will not listen to any appeals after my decision has been made (and in return i ask that you are patient with these petitions as i will not be rushing through them, and they may have to sit a little while until i have the time to sift through them, or bring in other staff for second opinions as needed).

Furthermore, as of the time i send out this message, we will absolutely be holding Guild Leaders accountable for the actions of their members, and so i strongly suggest getting leashes on some of them dogs. Now i know sometimes unintended things happen, and i dont expect any of you to have to walk on egg shells. just know if your people's actions are shitty enough, or disruptive enough, i will be punishing your accounts along with whatever other punishments come out on the guild as a whole. The first set of these guild suspensions has already gone out today.

i hope you all know that i respect all of you, and that i'm only being hard because i care and want to send a very direct message. Again, i will be as available as possible, so when you know a raid mob is gonna be contested, let me know, and ill try to be there. i very much look forward to working with all of you fine redpals towards a healthy and prosperous Red99!


<3
Sirks

This isn't blue people who want to kill each other cant play nice stop treating the server like blue 2 and you will have a 3x the pop u do now. Sullon had no rules, sullon had the highest pop of any pvp server. Staff went away, server pop has never been higher. Staff should only deal with things like MQ use hacks, exploits, etc etc Anything else is a waste of staff and player's time and a deterrent to pop. And I guarantee any staff influence to ensure we all play nice on red will lower pop just as it always has.

[Humerox]

This server has flourished more in the wild wild west era than ever before, staff intervention and adding rules has only deterred population here. Especially when no one is ever told what they are banned or suspended for lol, how can you expect people to follow the rules when they never know what rules they broke.

Pop has surged because a couple of guilds started handholding people new to server and decided to take the time to explain things to new people...not only new to red but to EQ.


I don't think that certain players chosen by GM's should be given VIP status, that to me sounds like blatant favoritism. Why should some players be allowed more influence on the server than others?

Because as guild leaders they already have more influence than anyone else. Most other people would chime in just to screw up/derail the threads.


Why do you want to step in now when the server is thriving all on it's own. Last time i saw a Gm intervene on a raid they death touched 20 members of the wrong guild when the other guild was the LNS offenders. I think these quick and rash decisions made from shooting from the hip rule enforcement, are more of a deterrent to playing here than any of the lax rule enforcement.

It's holding it's own and that's more due to guild policies and helpfulness than anything else. The toxics have tried even harder lately to flush population and keep people from enjoying red.

If you removed training, play nice policy, and LNS rules this server would thrive even more because although some players might suffer, at-least we wouldn't have 20 people banned a month with no clue why they were banned.

Without rules against training and LnS protections the server would die. Period. Especially with Velious on the horizon and the complete chaos that would ensue.


This isn't blue people who want to kill each other cant play nice stop treating the server like blue 2 and you will have a 3x the pop u do now. Sullon had no rules, sullon had the highest pop of any pvp server. Staff went away, server pop has never been higher. Staff should only deal with things like MQ use hacks, exploits, etc etc Anything else is a waste of staff and player's time and a deterrent to pop. And I guarantee any staff influence to ensure we all play nice on red will lower pop just as it always has.

Sullon drew ALL the toxics that couldn't play anywhere else to one server, along with a few of us that were so masochistic we had to play goodies, even. The only thing increased GM involvement will do will to be that people who have "fun" by ruining others' play will have less avenues of doing so.

What some people call "red" and "pvp" is just ruining other people's play. It has nothing to do with zone control, contesting, or anything else that is even remotely pvp.

Rallos had the right idea...not Sullon. Sullon style play is not appropriate for R99.

[Kergan]

Sullon had no rules, sullon had the highest pop of any pvp server.

SZ had the lowest pop of any PVP server actually.

[Sirken]

Pop has surged because a couple of guilds started handholding people new to server and decided to take the time to explain things to new people...not only new to red but to EQ.

Because as guild leaders they already have more influence than anyone else. Most other people would chime in just to screw up/derail the threads.

It's holding it's own and that's more due to guild policies and helpfulness than anything else. The toxics have tried even harder lately to flush population and keep people from enjoying red.

Without rules against training and LnS protections the server would die. Period. Especially with Velious on the horizon and the complete chaos that would ensue.

Sullon drew ALL the toxics that couldn't play anywhere else to one server, along with a few of us that were so masochistic we had to play goodies, even. The only thing increased GM involvement will do will to be that people who have "fun" by ruining others' play will have less avenues of doing so.

What some people call "red" and "pvp" is just ruining other people's play. It has nothing to do with zone control, contesting, or anything else that is even remotely pvp.

Rallos had the right idea...not Sullon. Sullon style play is not appropriate for R99.

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[Swyft]

SZ had the lowest pop of any PVP server actually.

We have established you are an idiot stop posting Sullon pre POP had highest pop of any pvp server stop posting pls your fail to right factor is the worst in forum history.

[Swyft]

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So Sirken you believe that Holocaust is the cause of the server influx??

Ok answer me one question Sirken, whats the point of having a higher population on a pvp server if there is no pvp?

Is a higher population a fair trade off for a one server guild? Are you really getting more players on Red when you're are simply trading players from blue? That's like emptying the left hand to fill the right, the goal is more players to the project not to steal them from the other project.

What's the point of a red server if you simply wish to end pvp to raise the pop? Isn't that essentially making another blue server?

So what your saying is if we want to kill players we have no future here because that will make players frowny face, so you are essentially against all pvp because killing players is toxic?

Meanwhile Holocaust is responsible for more bindcamping, griefing and lns violations than 20x any other guild on server.

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Colgate&ks=6

Clearly Holo leadership is one of those non toxics your are talking about sirken can;t wait to see the wonderful impartial things you cook up for the server with those clearly healthy individuals.

[Swish]

Still enjoying the wild west analogy, was a good one :D

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawzcmaex81rcf3weo2_500.gif

[Swyft]

Still enjoying the wild west analogy, was a good one :D

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawzcmaex81rcf3weo2_500.gif

Syftradamus prediction pop about to take a nosedive after new play nice polices.

[Swish]

Syftradamus prediction pop about to take a nosedive after new play nice polices.

Are you saying we got a bad sheriff?!

[Sirken]

So Sirken you believe that Holocaust is the cause of the server influx??

Ok answer me one question Sirken, whats the point of having a higher population on a pvp server if there is no pvp?

Is a higher population a fair trade off for a one server guild? Are you really getting more players on Red when you're are simply trading players from blue? That's like emptying the left hand to fill the right, the goal is more players to the project not to steal them from the other project.

What's the point of a red server if you simply wish to end pvp to raise the pop? Isn't that essentially making another blue server?

So what your saying is if we want to kill players we have no future here because that will make players frowny face, so you are essentially against all pvp because killing players is toxic?

Meanwhile Holocaust is responsible for more bindcamping, griefing and lns violations than 20x any other guild on server.

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Colgate&ks=6

Clearly Holo leadership is one of those non toxics your are talking about sirken can;t wait to see the wonderful impartial things you cook up for the server with those clearly healthy individuals.

you cant actually be this dense. higher pop = more targets. how the hell are u having fun killing the same few dozen people over and over again? more people = more guilds = more competition = more pvp for everyone.

i think what you're actually looking for is this brand new game called, call of duty. you can log in, merk some nerds, run your mouth, and act like an overall piece of shit all you want. but thats not what we we're hosting here.

not sure where your getting the "i want to end pvp" or "if u want to kill people, you have no future here" garbage from. if anything, i have always promoted pvp, what i don't promote is training, bindcamping, and running people off the server. id rather ban 1 piece of shit and be rid of that player, than let that same piece of shit run 10 players off the server. but seeing as you played on sullon zek, i can understand how your perception of what pvp actually is could be skewed for the worst. and to be honest, i feel sorry for you because you missed out.

oh, and if HC is doing all these things, wheres the proof? just because they dont run immediately to the forums crying about being suspended and broadcasting it to everyone (the way i assume you would), doesnt mean they dont eat suspensions. when petitions come in, they are reviewed and dealt with. to be honest i see more players trying to bait folks into LNS traps to get someone banned, than i see actual LNS violations.


http://i.imgur.com/nGC9X.jpg

[Swyft]

you cant actually be this dense. higher pop = more targets. how the hell are u having fun killing the same few dozen people over and over again? more people = more guilds = more competition = more pvp for everyone.

i think what you're actually looking for is this brand new game called, call of duty. you can log in, merk some nerds, run your mouth, and act like an overall piece of shit all you want. but thats not what we we're hosting here.

not sure where your getting the "i want to end pvp" or "if u want to kill people, you have no future here" garbage from. if anything, i have always promoted pvp, what i don't promote is training, bindcamping, and running people off the server. id rather ban 1 piece of shit and be rid of that player, than let that same piece of shit run 10 players off the server. but seeing as you played on sullon zek, i can understand how your perception of what pvp actually is could be skewed for the worst. and to be honest, i feel sorry for you because you missed out.

oh, and if HC is doing all these things, wheres the proof? just because they dont run immediately to the forums crying about being suspended and broadcasting it to everyone (the way i assume you would), doesnt mean they dont eat suspensions. when petitions come in, they are reviewed and dealt with. to be honest i see more players trying to bait folks into LNS traps to get someone banned, than i see actual LNS violations.


http://i.imgur.com/nGC9X.jpg


Looks like blatant training to me...

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178345

How many screenshots of training u ever seen of me on any of my characters going back 2 years, NONE because I never trained.

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Colgate&ks=2

How many instances of Bindcamping you see on this list, now how many you see on mine?

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Burgerking&ks=5

I don't need to be told to stop killing someone, or wait for them to call LNS if they act descent and don't talk shit I kill them once, or at max 3 times if they talk shit and leave them be.

I have never LNS violated, dual boxed, used a cheat, RMT'd, or exploited, I'm one of the very very few that can honestly claim I'm a 100% clean whistle.

Yet to you I'm a shit talking piece of trash that is toxic and people like Colgate are shining examples of goodness? (well you said Holocaust and since he is a leader of Holocaust and the most vocal on boards yea it is correct I use him as an example for HC)

And you seriously think I'm the one who's dense? I mean I just showed you evidence of how Holocaust leadership pvp's vs how I pvp(and no you have zero charges u can throw at me from anyone going back 2 years on all my toons). Yet you say I'm a piece of shit and HC is sweet goodness LOL ok man.

Now if i want to run around and snipe people all day and talk shit about killing people in OOC GUESS WHAT THAT'S MY DAMNED CHOICE. I'm not breaking any rules and if you got a problem with me playing EQ like call of duty and sniping someone out then you need to change the rules because guess what that's always been a part of PVP on EQ, and I'm sorry if you are too blue to handle it. But before you talk about bindcamping take a good look at the player's your praising because they are a thousand times more guilty of it than I ever have been.

[Ragnaros]

I fucking love syft

[MavstabYoudead]

I don't think he's suggesting you use the leaderboard to determine LNS violation or bind campings. He's just making it known that if you are praising HC, I didn't really see you doing this, for playing the game right then you are off base.

That train also showed colgate with mobs on him did it not?

[Sirken]

oh man, i see u ninja edit added two more paragraphs.

yes i srsly think you are dense, or possibly trolling at this point for attention.

and no, its not your choice. if your reason to be here is to ruin other peoples experiences and grief them off the server, then not only do you not deserve the privilege of playing here, but i will remove your ability to do so.

<3
Sirks

[Sirken]

I don't think he's suggesting you use the leaderboard to determine LNS violation or bind campings. He's just making it known that if you are praising HC, I didn't really see you doing this, for playing the game right then you are off base.

That train also showed colgate with mobs on him did it not?

i actually praised all the current leaders, but he took it the way he wanted to take it.

and this http://youtu.be/h03Pn0oxI8Q

[Drakaris]

ok nerd, we just went through this in game, but i guess we can do it here again too.

the first link of SSs, i actually had fraps of that train, and thats why Holo is suspended from fear for a week and the trainers took individual suspensions.

and you are rainman levels of retarded if you think we are using the holo ran leader board to determine LNS violations. not only because we dont run it, but because it doesnt show anything else. for all i know that player was sitting there spamming "KILL ME AGAIN NERD!" the entire time.


anything else i can blast out of the park for you while you have my attention?

<3 Sirks...

I loved how Swyft claimed I shadowstepped and ran from him when he oomed on his shaman because I cured all his shit while blinded...

Good thing I had that PvP encounter frapsed in case he tried to run his mouth on the forum... thing is I can't be bothered uploading that shit to youtube to prove BK/Syft/Swyft wrong... guy is DELUSIONAL...

But 100% agree, you don't want to run people off the box. More players = more targets = more fun... it also means more mass pvp....

[Ragnaros]

Sirken if you seriously want the server to explode with pvp unban nizzar and let him do his thing, and free tune...seriously

[Flexin]

Ladies ladies, there is plenty of me to go around no need to fight.

[MavstabYoudead]

But 100% agree, you don't want to run people off the box. More players = more targets = more fun... it also means more mass pvp....

you guys don't want pvp otherwise you wouldn't still be recruiting. all you want is PVE.

[Ragnaros]

Sirken and syft both have good points but id rather have more mass pvp, bring back the duke to combat holocaust

[Swyft]

ok nerd, we just went through this in game, but i guess we can do it here again too.

the first link of SSs, i actually had fraps of that train, and thats why Holo is suspended from fear for a week and the trainers took individual suspensions.

and you are rainman levels of retarded if you think we are using the holo ran leader board to determine LNS violations. not only because we dont run it, but because it doesnt show anything else. for all i know that player was sitting there spamming "KILL ME AGAIN NERD!" the entire time.


anything else i can blast out of the park for you while you have my attention?

Your are just a vision of professionalism, shit If I talked to you the way your talking to me I would be banned. But lets cut the Bullshit shall we, who's gonna be on your VIP list of very special server contributors, fucking Colgate right, your gonna sit there and tell me you don't fucking have Colgate in mind for your special VIP list and then we all get to act shocked when fucking Colgate is there on the VIP poster list that the rest of us can only view like dumbasses.

So I'm sorry if I don't think your increased involvement is the answer to all our prayers here, not from anything personal like you have against anyone who disagrees with you, but based on previous BAD CALLS you make.

And that's my point in the first place you got a guy with an RMT'd AON around his chickenboned neck, caught for training, fuck lns violations the boards do show bindcamping doesn't matter if they the said kill me, kill me, killing a player 10-15 times in a row at there bind and doing that shit multiple times is some mentally sick shit that anyone can determine is bindcamping player made boards or not, unless your definition of bindcamping(which is killing a player at bind) is vastly different than mine and the rest of EQ's.

But that's the guy that is gonna end up on the special vip server policy board, and I who has never broken any rules is a toxic piece of shit, because i enjoy killing people in pvp???

http://www.showmedaily.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/i-feel-like-im-taking-crazy-pills.gif

[Humerox]

if your reason to be here is to ruin other peoples experiences and grief them off the server, then not only do you not deserve the privilege of playing here, but i will remove your ability to do so.

<3
Sirks

best quote of the new year

new sig <3

[Sirken]

Your are just a vision of professionalism, shit If I talked to you the way your talking to me I would be banned. But lets cut the Bullshit shall we, who's gonna be on your VIP list of very special server contributors, fucking Colgate right, your gonna sit there and tell me you don't fucking have Colgate in mind for your special VIP list and then we all get to act shocked when fucking Colgate is there on the VIP poster list that the rest of us can only view like dumbasses.

And then were supposed to act shocked again, when 20 of our raid gets deathtouch'd when Holo was the one who violated LNS.

So I'm sorry if I don't think your increased involvement is the answer to all our prayers here, not from anything personal like you have against anyone who disagrees with you, but based on previous BAD CALLS you make.

i treat people exactly the way they deserve to be treated. again, this is where your low reading comprehension is holding you back. you might wanna go reread my OP before you continue to pound your hands on the keyboard and click post.

i like how i say im gonna try to set something up for multiple guild leaders to discuss r99 things with, and all you saw was "OMFG COLGATES GONNA RUIN SERVER! SIRKEN SO STUPID AND CURRUPT! FAVORITISM! RAWR!!" i've been dealing with this server for over 3 years and you can count my mistakes on one hand. and as far as DTing you guys in VP, what did that cost you? maybe 20 minutes while i apologized and GM rezzed people and ensured you guys didnt lose the zone you just secured through pvp?

but please, tell me more about how everything is stacked against you.

http://i.imgur.com/68Y26dH.gif

[Ragnaros]

Sirken unban nizzar make server interesting with multiple guilds please

[nicol]

Given that there are members in both Azrael and Holocaust that are responsible for the epic & fungi'd twink griefers that have OOR healers follow them around in CB/Unrest/MM, I'm not sure how either guild can claim responsibility for the increased server health. That shit right there is what drives away new people from red and does not represent pvp.

[Sirken]

ragnaros the next time you ask or petition anything about nizzar im re-suspending you

[MavstabYoudead]

Given that there are members in both Azrael and Holocaust that are responsible for the epic & fungi'd twink griefers that have OOR healers follow them around in CB/Unrest/MM, I'm not sure how either guild can claim responsibility for the increased server health. That shit right there is what drives away new people from red and does not represent pvp.

pretty sure that's the point. holocaust pretends to be something they are not. you don't see azrael claiming to be above doing any of the stuff you mentioned. I don't do it, but if other people want to and it's within the rules there isn't much to be done about it.

I make gear for new players, PL new players etc all the time. would rather see people gain some confidence and last on the server than grief them off.

[Akalakamelee]

Given that there are members in both Azrael and Holocaust that are responsible for the epic & fungi'd twink griefers that have OOR healers follow them around in CB/Unrest/MM, I'm not sure how either guild can claim responsibility for the increased server health. That shit right there is what drives away new people from red and does not represent pvp.

Extactly, while I may not be in the guild, I'm gonna hand some deserved credit to <fresh> for helping newbies and keeping them on red, therefor helping server pop.

[gobletsmashing]

Given that there are members in both Azrael and Holocaust that are responsible for the epic & fungi'd twink griefers that have OOR healers follow them around in CB/Unrest/MM, I'm not sure how either guild can claim responsibility for the increased server health. That shit right there is what drives away new people from red and does not represent pvp.

It doesnt stop in CB/Unrest/MM - it goes all the way up.

[Swyft]

i treat people exactly the way they deserve to be treated. again, this is where your low reading comprehension is holding you back. you might wanna go reread my OP before you continue to pound your hands on the keyboard and click post.

i like how i say im gonna try to set something up for multiple guild leaders to discuss r99 things with, and all you saw was "OMFG COLGATES GONNA RUIN SERVER! SIRKEN SO STUPID AND CURRUPT! FAVORITISM! RAWR!!" i've been dealing with this server for over 3 years and you can count my mistakes on one hand. and as far as DTing you guys in VP, what did that cost you? maybe 20 minutes while i apologized and GM rezzed people and ensured you guys didnt lose the zone you just secured through pvp?

but please, tell me more about how everything is stacked against you.

http://i.imgur.com/68Y26dH.gif

Your missing my point I don't think you should be skyping with player's don't think you should rush and DT a bunch of people without clearly seeing the signs you DT'd Hughman and you cost him a BOTB win. We don't need to get DT'd when were fighting 3-4x our numbers every fight.

It's not professional for you to have "special" relationships with certain player's. I think anyone would be compromised when having to play judge vs the player's they deal with "making changes for the server with".

I know you already have colgate in mind for that board and no he shouldn't be a part of it, if anyone from Holo it should be Gongshow the guildleader. I mean you can say I'm crying being dramatic but when Colgate shows up on that fucking VIP list then how crazy am I being?

[Troubled]

You're nuts dude.

[Humerox]

he's a guild leader/co-leader/officer and you're not, brew. Go make a guild and influence at least 9 other people in-game enough to join you. then maybe you can post in the damn forum

problem solved

[Swyft]

he's a guild leader/co-leader and you're not, brew. Go make a guild and influence at least 9 other people in-game enough to join you. then maybe you can post in the damn forum

problem solved

You're nuts dude.

Both Holocaust so this is what we would consider biased. Considering that Colgate has stated many times his goal is to grief Azrael off the server I don't think he is level headed or mature enough to handle a board without every attempt to manipulate the rules to holo's favor.

I think Gongshow is he has my vote for VIP council, plus he's the actual guildleader. Colgate is not Co-leader he is an officer. stop lying i was Holocaust. And if Sirken puts Colgate on that VIP list it literally confirms everything I've said and well see a lot more BS.

[MavstabYoudead]

honestly if you don't drop it he may do it just to spite you. I agree colgate shouldn't be on there, but lite is going to be on there for us right and they probably have similar concerns with him. There should be one rep from each guild and the guild can pick that rep IMO.

[Troubled]

Both Holocaust so this is what we would consider biased. Considering that Colgate has stated many times his goal is to grief Azrael off the server I don't think he is level headed or mature enough to handle a board without every attempt to manipulate the rules to holo's favor.

I think Gongshow is he has my vote for VIP council, plus he's the actual guildleader. And if Sirken puts Colgate on that VIP lis it literally confirms everything I've said and well see a lot more BS.

Historically, at least, guild leaders have a rep or 2 of their own choosing to join that particular board. I think that's what it will boil down to. Colgate, being a prominent forum figure and mouth piece for Holo as well as a raid leader and recruiting officer, will most likely be chosen for one of those spots by Gongshow or Terp(I'm not sure who's the leader yet,) not Sirken.

[Humerox]

not Holo brew but nice try

[Sirken]

Both Holocaust so this is what we would consider biased. Considering that Colgate has stated many times his goal is to grief Azrael off the server I don't think he is level headed or mature enough to handle a board without every attempt to manipulate the rules to holo's favor.

I think Gongshow is he has my vote for VIP council, plus he's the actual guildleader. Colgate is not Co-leader he is an officer. stop lying i was Holocaust. And if Sirken puts Colgate on that VIP list it literally confirms everything I've said and well see a lot more BS.

youre an idiot. i would ask the same question, "Who do you want to represent your guild". and whatever name they give, thats it. thats not me putting anyone anywhere, thats the guilds of this server selecting their own representation. ie: the way it should be.

[nicol]

It doesnt stop in CB/Unrest/MM - it goes all the way up.

It really does though, and for multiple reasons. By the time players are ready to leave MM they will most likely have made relationships with people their level, have access to a guild, and may know players who will bind/port them near exp spots for their level. A new player to red has next to no resources to be able to afford ports, items, or spells.

The griefers in MM, specifically, work together. For example: If Slivers is unable to kill a group by himself, he will ask his two buddies to log over (Punx and/or some caster). I can't think of any other zone on red that has decked out, coordinated twinks camped in one specific zone just to grief people into leaving.

[gobletsmashing]

CoM - multiple camped out griefers that log in and camp the wall while you're trying to exp and Sol B - epic'd deleveled griefers with epic'd OOR heals / tanks to clear down to your camp. The argument is 'move to a new zone', point taken. However, blatent griefing does still exist.

[derpcake]

youre an idiot.

Guess you concluded the same thing everyone in ooc has heh.

[Akalakamelee]

It really does though, and for multiple reasons. By the time players are ready to leave MM they will most likely have made relationships with people their level, have access to a guild, and may know players who will bind/port them near exp spots for their level. A new player to red has next to no resources to be able to afford ports, items, or spells.

The griefers in MM, specifically, work together. For example: If Slivers is unable to kill a group by himself, he will ask his two buddies to log over (Punx and/or some caster). I can't think of any other zone on red that has decked out, coordinated twinks camped in one specific zone just to grief people into leaving.

This is why I tell people not to level in Gfay area, and yes I would port oUT a group and help them get to another area.

[nicol]

CoM - multiple camped out griefers that log in and camp the wall while you're trying to exp and Sol B - epic'd deleveled griefers with epic'd OOR heals / tanks to clear down to your camp. The argument is 'move to a new zone', point taken. However, blatent griefing does still exist.


Point taken, but my main argument is that by the time you are in the level range of CoM you are able to move around zones much easier to avoid griefers. The main reason people move into CB/Unrest/MM is because there are so few people at their level and they are known to have players in the zone at almost all times.

[Ragnaros]

ragnaros the next time you ask or petition anything about nizzar im re-suspending you
hands up, dont root!
Free tune and the duke!!!!
Love you sirken...and syft lol
the duke will return one day

[Ragnaros]

I can for sure confirm sirken has been everywhere lately, pras.

[Sirken]

hands up, dont root!
Free tune and the duke!!!!
Love you sirken...and syft lol
the duke will return one day

you made me laugh irl, so im giving you a pass on that one :D

[heartbrand]

Only issue I have with the so called guild leader forum is one of the leaders has been banned for stripping and deleting, spammed people's irl number on Craigslist, and the other leader has been boxing for 2.5 years, RMTimg / training / ghosting etc. Call it propaganda all you want but I can't say a negative thing about Gongshow other than maybe a train or two over the history of the box. Wish we'd get some new guilds with fresh faces and leadership.

[Ragnaros]

No Nirgon please...jesus

[Swyft]

firstly, wanna guess how many shits i give about what you think on how i conduct things? there are two people on this planet whose opinions matter to me when it comes to how i GM, and you're not either of them.

i like how you blame me for Hughman, and not the dumb asshole that was casting spells and forcing me to use DT in the first place, but ok fine. and i assume by special you mean so i can inform them of suspensions, get quicker follow up answers to petitions that require more info, and try to make myself available to watch over raids or large scale pvp, then yes. because i cant be in game 24 hrs a day, furthermore anyone that doesnt see the usefulness of that is an idiot. you might find this hard to believe, but some players actually want the staff around for large scale pvp, or just around to show a staff presence on the server.

as far as Colgate, youre the one with the hardon for the guy. i simply said "multiple guild leaders" (and last time i checked HC that was Gonhshow or Terp), and then you went on full retard on a multi hour Colgate rant.

and do answer your final question, youre being extremely fucking crazy. but i mean, if you're gonna make it this easy, i can literally do it all day long.

Not really you started off by calling me a player who has never broken a rule a toxic piece of shit. I pvp here every day i know for a fact that the state of pvp has actually degraded despite the increased pop. that's something only a player who actually goes out seeking pvp would know.

Sure there's a lot of 70 vs 20 scale fights for high end raid mobs lol if you consider that awesome dynamic pvp. Maybe your twisted and let puppies go after pitbulls and call that a fight too.

You asked for an example of how increased Gm presence could be negative I gave two. You asked for how a VIP Council could be bad, i showed how picking the wrong players could make it very bad. You know the kind of players who bindcamp, RMT, and train.

I think it's fine you made a mistake I always liked ya and sung your praises to everyone but lately nah i been seeing some unfair shit. And I'm the kind of person who speaks there mind when I know I'm right despite the repercussions because I don't break any rules and I should have the right to speak the truth.

If increased GM presence means deathtouch/ban first explain later, while taking the word of the first person to petition or the majority vote which will always be the largest guild then no I don't think increased GM presence will bode well on the servers population in the long run. And i have actual reasons to base that on it's not mindless tin foil hat shit when i can give actual examples.

If GM's in the future take the time to research something and give out fair judgement's on both sides of the fence then yea increased GM involvement could be a good thing, But i can only base that outcome on what I've seen of late and that's not whats been happening.

[MavstabYoudead]

BK I think the POF incident shows they have been doing that lately. Just wish there was more transparency to the suspensions, but also sounds like they are working on that through this new leadership forum.

[Sirken]

Only issue I have with the so called guild leader forum is one of the leaders has been banned for stripping and deleting, spammed people's irl number on Craigslist, and the other leader has been boxing for 2.5 years, RMTimg / training / ghosting etc. Call it propaganda all you want but I can't say a negative thing about Gongshow other than maybe a train or two over the history of the box. Wish we'd get some new guilds with fresh faces and leadership.

i dont tell players who to follow buddy. if players want to follow and be represented by other players that have "been banned for stripping and deleting, spammed people's irl number on Craigslist, and the other leader has been boxing for 2.5 years, RMTimg / training / ghosting etc.", then thats on them.

players put these people in their current positions by choosing to follow them and join their guilds. also, i think its cute that most people are assuming im only talking about Holo and Az. i said 'various' guild leaders, im hoping for 4-5 at least.

[Ragnaros]

Syft do you support my movement for the duke? Im going to make a kickstarter, god i cant wait to be riding on tunes selos speed while assisting of the dukes t staff on heartbrands fat ogre face in tov.
On another note im looking forward to read more of sirken and syft while im at work, bring dem!

[Swyft]

BK I think the POF incident shows they have been doing that lately. Just wish there was more transparency to the suspensions, but also sounds like they are working on that through this new leadership forum.

Not really man lite ate a suspension for training, yet I see Colgate running around still playing, IDC who else trained WTF isn't he suspended?

That's the kind of shit I'm talking about and no GM's don't have to answer to me or tell me shit. But as someone who's been here a long long time and knows much more behind the scenes shit than most, it don't seem right. Doesn't matter if guild ate punishment the individual trainers should be punished. Equally on both sides.

[Sirken]

Not really you started off by calling me a player who has never broken a rule a toxic piece of shit. I pvp here every day i know for a fact that the state of pvp has actually degraded despite the increased pop. that's something only a player who actually goes out seeking pvp would know.

Sure there's a lot of 70 vs 20 scale fights for high end raid mobs lol if you consider that awesome dynamic pvp. Maybe your twisted and let puppies go after pitbulls and call that a fight too.

You asked for an example of how increased Gm presence could be negative I gave two. You asked for how a VIP Council could be bad, i showed how picking the wrong players could make it very bad. You know the kind of players who bindcamp, RMT, and train.

I think it's fine you made a mistake I always liked ya and sung your praises to everyone but lately nah i been seeing some unfair shit. And I'm the kind of person who speaks there mind when I know I'm right despite the repercussions because I don't break any rules and I should have the right to speak the truth.

If increased GM presence means deathtouch/ban first explain later, while taking the word of the first person to petition or the majority vote which will always be the largest guild then no I don't think increased GM presence will bode well on the servers population in the long run. And i have actual reasons to base that on it's not mindless tin foil hat shit when i can give actual examples.

If GM's in the future take the time to research something and give out fair judgement's on both sides of the fence then yea increased GM involvement could be a good thing, But i can only base that outcome on what I've seen of late and that's not whats been happening.

nowhere in my OP do i call you a toxic player. you were the one that lost his absolute mind because somehow me saying i wanted to have open discussion with various GLs translated into your warped brain as "lets give the keys to colgate". i would love to hear how pvp has gotten worse with higher pop. literally every other person ive talked with disagrees with you.

you gave two frivolous examples that i felt were not based in facts, sorry, you cant just make things, call them true, and try to use them as fact. Also, when did you create the term "VIP council" ? it's an open discussion between a half dozen or so GLs, how can you possibly equate that to favoritism or corruption or "omg Guild01 is gonna ruin everything!" ?

i couldnt help but giggle at the part u say "when I know I'm right". after going back and forth with you in this thread, your reading comprehension and logic skills terrify the absolute shit out of me. im sure youre very rarely ever wrong, amirite?

you should spend more time on red, because again, youre being an idiot.

<3
Sirks

[Ragnaros]

Sirken is a fair guy you have to look at it from all perspectives, the population is growing and its sirkens job to make sure that keeps happening, hes doing his job well, you cant please everyone.

[heartbrand]

Sirks, syft is a special snowflake. No need to respond to him.

[Swyft]

Syft do you support my movement for the duke? Im going to make a kickstarter, god i cant wait to be riding on tunes selos speed while assisting of the dukes t staff on heartbrands fat ogre face in tov.
On another note im looking forward to read more of sirken and syft while im at work, bring dem!

I wouldn't push Sirken's buttons on this because the Duke did do wrong. I think that's between Nizzar and the staff and depends on what is said between Nizzar and the staff. Personally I have zero problems with Nizzar coming back myself.

[Akalakamelee]

Sirken is a fair guy you have to look at it from all perspectives, the population is growing and its sirkens job to make sure that keeps happening, hes doing his job well, you cant please everyone.

Agreed

[Ragnaros]

At the same time syft has valid points but you cant expect things to allways go your way, holocaust got punished, azrael got punished, population rising, thursdsy night fights, pras. Only thing id change about red is to find a way to promote more mass pvp, more than one or two big guilds or factions that contest etc

[Sirken]

Sirks, syft is a special snowflake. No need to respond to him.

but.. he just keeps throwing fastballs over the middle. i feel itd almost be insulting not to swing at them :(

[MavstabYoudead]

but.. he just keeps throwing fastballs over the middle. i feel itd almost be insulting not to swing at them :(

lay off the high ones sirken.

[Ragnaros]

One of my first deaths was from sirken, we have had an intimate relationship since then

[Humerox]

At the same time syft has valid points but you cant expect things to allways go your way, holocaust got punished, azrael got punished, population rising, thursdsy night fights, pras. Only thing id change about red is to find a way to promote more mass pvp, more than one or two big guilds or factions that contest etc


need population for that and that's the whole point of this new/re-involvement with R99

it can't stagnate and choke...Sirk is being proactive

[Ragnaros]

I wouldn't push Sirken's buttons on this because the Duke did do wrong. I think that's between Nizzar and the staff and depends on what is said between Nizzar and the staff. Personally I have zero problems with Nizzar coming back myself.

Im p sure hes allowed to come back but he doesnt want to, on the other note i willl donate 150 to the project if syft and sirken debate on stream this week

[heartbrand]

nizzar is a non factor. he was a mediocre / below average PvPer with good PvE monk skills. He was a terribad guild leader and an ok raid leader. He benefited from being gifted a guild that was already in the #1 spot on server from Lovely, on a double digit pop box. His shtick wouldn't work in 2015 on 300+ pop red. Too many superior guild options.

[Swyft]

nowhere in my OP do i call you a toxic player. you were the one that lost his absolute mind because somehow me saying i wanted to have open discussion with various GLs translated into your warped brain as "lets give the keys to colgate". i would love to hear how pvp has gotten worse with higher pop. literally every other person ive talked with disagrees with you.




i think what you're actually looking for is this brand new game called, call of duty. you can log in, merk some nerds, run your mouth, and act like an overall piece of shit all you want. but thats not what we we're hosting here.



Sorry you called me a piece of shit I just added the toxic part to give it a more colorful illustrations of what your words were trying to convey.

and WTF you been talking to about pvp affairs here, Heartbrand AKA checkraise, who was best in slot a 2 years ago and has 28 kills over the course of a year? lol

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Checkraise

Next time you talk to someone about "PVP on the server" how about you actually make sure it's someone who is pvping.

[Troubled]

STOP TALKING I HAVE TO GET READY FOR WORK

[MavstabYoudead]

make sure the guild leaders create new Skype accounts without their real life names. you know just to avoid any potential problems!

[silo32]

nizzar is a non factor. he was a mediocre / below average PvPer with good PvE monk skills. He was a terribad guild leader and an ok raid leader. He benefited from being gifted a guild that was already in the #1 spot on server from Lovely, on a double digit pop box. His shtick wouldn't work in 2015 on 300+ pop red. Too many superior guild options.

this post reeks of mad

hb you led a guild, I saw you equip your OT hammer during pvp on your warrior instead of going down with your ship you take the first opportunity to run and leave your guild to die

you ran red dawn into the ground, nihilum set you up to be the #2 guild and take azraels spot and you shit on him as he was feeding you dragons I know this because I sat at vox for 6 hours while your guild would wipe over and over while we held azrael at bay

I was also tagged on your hate/fear raids as a member and as soon as pvp shows up that OT hammer gets equipped and you leave the rest of us

great leadership

you rejoin red dawn nihilum takes your core and gears them out a lot of shitty ass players terp/wasp

no one liked you in nihilum that's why your mad because you had to go back to sucking nizzards dick and it left a really nasty taste in your mouth I get it.

Nizzar was an awesome guild leader the best this server has seen, you, your a washed up mad has been that will never let this go

its rotting your brain, maybe you should take a break

[Sirken]

make sure the guild leaders create new Skype accounts without their real life names. you know just to avoid any potential problems!

do you even realize how sad it is that that has to be an actual thing

[MavstabYoudead]

do you even realize how sad it is that that has to be an actual thing

most people don't get butthurt about their name being said. if it's used for anything further then yes it's pretty sad.

[Swyft]

dig a little bit deeper. clearly my OP didnt say Burgerking is a piece of shit. so what do you think it was that brought that about it? could it have been you jumping to conclusions, making wild assumptions, pulling names out of thin air & sticking them in my mouth, all while and acting like a giant sized douche?

but i just figured out what your actual problem with the whole thing was. you felt left out and not included, and that made you sad and mad and bad and straight up f'ing insane for awhile there.

ill tell you what, if youre worried about not having your opinion represented, then you should start a guild and get people to join it. and if you get enough people your voice shall be heard. otherwise youre shit out of luck. and just because i know it will make you extra crazy not to know whats being discussed, ill prolly setup a skype group for myself and those guild leaders. just think of all the plotting we can do against you now, /evillaugh

nerd.

Nah i don;t have some sick need for validation on nerdcam streams, I just want to run around and kill people and not hear u give me some hello kitty bullshit about how I fucking have to be nice to people now because u think increased pop = swinging on poppa smurf's dick hairs.

I just want to run around kill people(by the rules) and you not suspend me for some BS because you want everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya on a fucking red server.

http://blog.braintraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/content-strategy-kumbaya-e1306437138684.jpg

[arsenalpow]

make sure the guild leaders create new Skype accounts without their real life names. you know just to avoid any potential problems!

do you even realize how sad it is that that has to be an actual thing

As much as I typically dislike Sirken and his partisan politics he's had my RL Skype info being that I'm raid dispute POC for my guild and it's never been an issue. Sirken plays favorites but saying that he'd potentially go off the deep end and give out RL info to doxx people is pretty out of character for the guy.

[MavstabYoudead]

love how azrael justifies breaking one of the clearly stated rules with "don't get so butthurt"

so toxic

what harm is going to come from saying your first name colgate? Considering I have privacy certifications and your name in itself is not considered personally identifiable information you are indeed overreacting. Especially with your past history using the same information when you felt like it.

Also didn't gyno just get a forum ban for doing the same thing plus getting into rl details and accusing someone of being a criminal? Shouldn't throw stones pal.

[silo32]

do you even realize how sad it is that that has to be an actual thing

sirken you do realize this server is comprised of the same 75 players that have been here for 2 years, re rolling alts over and over

yea we get 150 new players but its a revolving door, ive seen so many players max out get some good gear then never see them again, they make an alt throw some great gear on them burn out again, they don't even pvp they get there pixel shower they never got on blue and find a new game

the rest of us are sick and too addicted to let this cycle go

most of us are on our 3rd, 4th and some 7th 60' alt

with the group xp bonus, the lvl range being reduced, the pnp that hardly gets enforced, its still toxic but at a faster pace

the only conclusion to fix this server, would be to LIMIT the number of guild mates, this would create 5-8 smaller guilds that could compete

ive seen azrael do PD with 16

while nihilum would throw 45-50 at the same dragon

holo has become cancer on this server, anyone can get a tag, most of azrael have an alt in holo

cap the guild to 30 max, this would make quality players stand out more, it would remove the zerg mentality and give everyone a shot

too many sandbaggers being fed gear and pixels to the point they become toxic and dlvl to grief

the guild leader of fresh d-lvld his 60 war in bis gear to 30 to pvp in mistmoore
the guild leader of holo dlvld his 60 vp geared wizard to 55 to grief COM

you see a trend here? thriving? contributing?

I started an alt and casually play im already 54 with the group bonus, that's how fast it is to zoom to end game

this is going to be my 5th 60 and ive only been here a year, I work 40 hrs a week and have a family

changes need to be mad or nothing will change

a year ago I remember soloing for 1% xp per 4-6 hrs on light blues because no one would group with me due to the hybrid change, it took commitment to get there without players backing you, now you can just sandbag to 60 buy your vp key join holo sit back while the core gears you out so you burn out and re roll or get your fix and quit

shits a revolving door

its blue as fuck

[HippoNipple]

So how many seats does Holocaust get vs some of the smaller insignificant guilds? Should probably get like 10 to 1 representation from Holocaust to properly represent the servers view point.

Also please check for 2 boxing on new forums, I don't want Lite increasing his votes on issues.

[MavstabYoudead]

As much as I typically dislike Sirken and his partisan politics he's had my RL Skype info being that I'm raid dispute POC for my guild and it's never been an issue. Sirken plays favorites but saying that he'd potentially go off the deep end and give out RL info to doxx people is pretty out of character for the guy.

chest I didn't say that at all. when he does those Skype calls everyone sees everyone's info so it's not sirken giving out the information...

[HippoNipple]

Nah i don;t have some sick need for validation on nerdcam streams, I just want to run around and kill people and not hear u give me some hello kitty bullshit about how I fucking have to be nice to people now because u think increased pop = swinging on poppa smurf's dick hairs.

I just want to run around kill people(by the rules) and you not suspend me for some BS because you want everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya on a fucking red server.

http://blog.braintraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/content-strategy-kumbaya-e1306437138684.jpg

No one cares what you do. Go run around and kill people, it makes no difference. Has anyone ever given a shit or suspended you? You are too paranoid.

[arsenalpow]

Then smite the children dropping RL info, if Sirken is forced to handle a raid dispute and you have your RL info in your Skype contact when he's forced to arbitrate a disagreement then the opposing guild leader should be a fucking adult and not bring RL info into it.

Shit, half of TMO and IB have been through BDA at one point or another and every batphone I sent has my RL info on it and they never name dropped me, but true degenerates like Tiggles doxxed me from a different forum. Sounds like some folks are a bit too immersed over on red.

[heartbrand]

this post reeks of mad

hb you led a guild, I saw you equip your OT hammer during pvp on your warrior instead of going down with your ship you take the first opportunity to run and leave your guild to die

you ran red dawn into the ground, nihilum set you up to be the #2 guild and take azraels spot and you shit on him as he was feeding you dragons I know this because I sat at vox for 6 hours while your guild would wipe over and over while we held azrael at bay

I was also tagged on your hate/fear raids as a member and as soon as pvp shows up that OT hammer gets equipped and you leave the rest of us

great leadership

you rejoin red dawn nihilum takes your core and gears them out a lot of shitty ass players terp/wasp

no one liked you in nihilum that's why your mad because you had to go back to sucking nizzards dick and it left a really nasty taste in your mouth I get it.

Nizzar was an awesome guild leader the best this server has seen, you, your a washed up mad has been that will never let this go

its rotting your brain, maybe you should take a break

The infamous OT hammer trakanon fight was when I was in NIHILUM vs Az. I had to leave for about an hour prior to that but tried to stay as long as I could. When pvp finally came and it was clear we had lost, I tried to hammer out since I knew I would be away for the weekend and it would be a huge PITA to get a corpse summon down the road after everyone had already CR'ed.

I dunno about "running rd into the ground." I would argue that completely removing all of the exp bonuses on red99 for several months did that, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. The #2 guild spot on R99 was meaningless when Nihilum was here because there was nothing to kill. Being #2 doesn't hold much importance when there's no dragons to slay to satiate your members pixel lust. Yes, they gave us 1 mob a week, whoopdie doo. How many members will you keep with one dragon a week? Also, I was told by Nizzar several times prior to approaching Lite that he couldn't justify the arrangement much longer. I did what any self respecting Jew would do and looked to stab him in the back before he could stab me. What I didn't anticipate was Lite's brain rot was to the extent that he'd rather be irrelevant than compete if it involved not being the sole leader.

Dunno about sucking Nizzar's dick, Wilan invited me back to Nihilum, not Nizzar. I think I showed up to about 8-10 raids total when I rejoined Nihilum. It had hope at the time of being something new and fresh under Wilan and Vaporize, but when Nizzar came back from D3 it quickly went back to same old Nihilum, aka decisions made on the fly with zero accountability or regard to prior guild consensus.

I do remember wiping to Vox 30x, unfortunately unlike Azrael members, I do not box, so I could only do my part of tanking. I couldn't be there making sure the bard song was still playing, pushing from the correct direction, etc. We had many "special" individuals in RD.

You seem rather upset, sorry to hear, hope your Tuesday is a bit brighter 8)

[HippoNipple]

Then smite the children dropping RL info, if Sirken is forced to handle a raid dispute and you have your RL info in your Skype contact when he's forced to arbitrate a disagreement then the opposing guild leader should be a fucking adult and not bring RL info into it.

Shit, half of TMO and IB have been through BDA at one point or another and every batphone I sent has my RL info on it and they never name dropped me, but true degenerates like Tiggles doxxed me from a different forum. Sounds like some folks are a bit too immersed over on red.

People have been suspended for it. Things are more serious on here than on blue. There are a group of like 50 guys that have been battling in elf quest for 3 years with true hatred for every other player on the server except the players they are temporarily teamed up with.

[Sirken]

Then smite the children dropping RL info, if Sirken is forced to handle a raid dispute and you have your RL info in your Skype contact when he's forced to arbitrate a disagreement then the opposing guild leader should be a fucking adult and not bring RL info into it.

Shit, half of TMO and IB have been through BDA at one point or another and every batphone I sent has my RL info on it and they never name dropped me, but true degenerates like Tiggles doxxed me from a different forum. Sounds like some folks are a bit too immersed over on red.

buddy, you have no idea what kind of beast this community is compared to blue when it comes to who can do the shittiest thing. these redpals leave blue sitting at the kiddies table in that department.

[Swyft]

No one cares what you do. Go run around and kill people, it makes no difference. Has anyone ever given a shit or suspended you? You are too paranoid.

Yep got suspended in ooc didnt break a single rule why because I argued with Holocaust. Even tho what they were saying was a thousand times worse than anything i said including RL attacks and that shit was ok but my shit wasn', worse thing i said was they sucked at pvp. lol nope not paranoid.

[heartbrand]

buddy, you have no idea what kind of beast this community is compared to blue when it comes to who can do the shittiest thing. these redpals leave blue sitting at the kiddies table in that department.

I'm not sure about that. I've perused the blue RNF forums. Lot of emotions over there.

[krazyGlue]

love how azrael justifies breaking one of the clearly stated rules with "don't get so butthurt"

so toxic

Why does holo get a free pass when talking about sektor and lites rl info ? Seems legit

[heartbrand]

Why does holo get a free pass when talking about sektor and lites rl info ? Seems legit

Lite freely posts his green card or w/e on forums, youtube videos of himself, etc., with his RL information. Same with Sektor. He put a link to his wedding registry with his complete name. He invites people to RL meet ups. He has as his avatar his own picture. Not sherrifsrs?

[Sirken]

Yep got suspended in ooc didnt break a single rule why because I argued with Holocaust. Even tho what they were saying was a thousand times worse than anything i said including RL attacks and that shit was ok but my shit wasn', worse thing i said was they sucked at pvp. lol nope not paranoid.

nobody took your ooc away for saying someone sucks at pvp. if you were spamming, using caps, using hateful, racist language, etc etc, thats why you'd lose ooc.

[krazyGlue]

90% of the players that came to red from blue would have never made it past unrest If I didn't retire mrbigs

[krazyGlue]

Lite freely posts his green card or w/e on forums, youtube videos of himself, etc., with his RL information. Same with Sektor. He put a link to his wedding registry with his complete name. He invites people to RL meet ups. He has as his avatar his own picture. Not sherrifsrs?

It still doesn't give you the right to post or talk about his rl .

[HippoNipple]

Why does holo get a free pass when talking about sektor and lites rl info ? Seems legit

Because Sektor broadcasts video of it on the forums along with his wedding RMT registry.

Lite posts pictures of his green card, RMTd headset and handstand pics.

At that point it is fair game.

[Swyft]

What I actually ate a 29 day suspension for in OOC was saying, "some of you Holo player's don't belong on red ya should go back to blue"

Sound like a server offense NOPE it isn't, but it isn't part of the new hello kitty screensaver of play that's gonna be endorsed here, lol I still sound paranoid opposing this BS?

[arsenalpow]

buddy, you have no idea what kind of beast this community is compared to blue when it comes to who can do the shittiest thing. these redpals leave blue sitting at the kiddies table in that department.

Gonna disagree. I grew up on the mean streets of Sullon Zek. I've seen some shit man.

[MavstabYoudead]

Lite freely posts his green card or w/e on forums, youtube videos of himself, etc., with his RL information. Same with Sektor. He put a link to his wedding registry with his complete name. He invites people to RL meet ups. He has as his avatar his own picture. Not sherrifsrs?

and colgate didn't have to Skype with lite. again the context of his name getting out was him asking if that was one of us calling him. maybe better communication could have been used and it could have been avoided. again someone's name isn't PII, it's not debatable.

[krazyGlue]

Lite freely posts his green card or w/e on forums, youtube videos of himself, etc., with his RL information. Same with Sektor. He put a link to his wedding registry with his complete name. He invites people to RL meet ups. He has as his avatar his own picture. Not sherrifsrs?

Colgate freely let his name be known via Skype . We both can play that card . I think guild leaders and officers should put a muzzle on their members and sirken should suspend and hold the guild as a whole on how their members act . Especially with rl info on the forums and in ooc .

[HippoNipple]

and colgate didn't have to Skype with lite. again the context of his name getting out was him asking if that was one of us calling him. maybe better communication could have been used and it could have been avoided. again someone's name isn't PII, it's not debatable.

Agreeing to do a skype with GM is different than posting on the public forums yourself. You are completely taking all responsibility out of Lite's hands with that comment. It isn't someone's responsibility to hide their identity when chatting with someone outside of the forums.

[MavstabYoudead]

Agreeing to do a skype with GM is different than posting on the public forums yourself. You are completely taking all responsibility out of Lite's hands with that comment. It isn't someone's responsibility to hide their identity when chatting with someone outside of the forums.

lite got a called and asked who is X is that one of you guys. Moments later he said nm it's colgate. he didn't say, "hey guys this is Colgate's name go crazy!" no matter how hard some of you tin foil hatters want to believe.

[MavstabYoudead]

sirken has me nicknamed on skype to Colgate, and pulled me into a call before i realized that lite would be joining as well

the fact that your GUILD LEADER:

a) gave out my real life name to his guild
and
b) did not attempt at all to stop/reprimand his guildmates for literally spamming it in public in-game channels for several days

is honestly disgusting

you've done worse, get off the soap box. Nothing is going to come of people knowing your RL name. get over it.

is gyno still in your guild after posting a thread accusing lite of criminal acts with his picture? If not you have no room to criticize anyone for just mentioning your name.

[MavstabYoudead]

Stay out of Real Life
Many people expect to keep personal and real life matters seperate from those that happen on the Internet. We expect all forum members to respect eachother's privacy. You may not ever post any real life information about another user, including but not limited to, name and address, phone numbers, pictures, employers, associates, etc. This also extends to protect other forms of communication including IM Aliases and E-Mail addresses.

is gyno still in your guild? if so STFU.

you also notice how it says "name and address" that does in fact become PII when it's two pieces of associated information. Your name in it's own right is not PII. Check the law at your high school library.

[heartbrand]

you've done worse, get off the soap box. Nothing is going to come of people knowing your RL name. get over it.

is gyno still in your guild after posting a thread accusing lite of criminal acts with his picture? If not you have no room to criticize anyone for just mentioning your name.

No offense but it's not exactly accusing, it's public knowledge that can be viewed via the NYS website on sex offenders.

[Swyft]

really? you think telling people to quit the server isn't against the rules?

jesus

No it's not, actually saying go back to blue is a common pvp insult for you suck at pvp, that has been used on live not even the strictest GM would slap you on the wrist for it. If that's an offense to you then your too immature to play here just like the first name BS. You are literally lawyer doctoring to get people in trouble.

Did anyone in Holo quit playing and leave lol no, did it break any TOS rules lol NO!

[krazyGlue]

sirken has me nicknamed on skype to Colgate, and pulled me into a call before i realized that lite would be joining as well

the fact that your GUILD LEADER:

a) gave out my real life name to his guild
and
b) did not attempt at all to stop/reprimand his guildmates for literally spamming it in public in-game channels for several days

is honestly disgusting

Isn't gyno/ retti in your guild . 75% of their posts and ooc are about lite andis and sektors rl pic or family / name so please reprimand them mr guild leader

[MavstabYoudead]

No offense but it's not exactly accusing, it's public knowledge that can be viewed via the NYS website on sex offenders.

has nothing to do with if it's true/not true etc. Colgate is saying to keep RL off the forums and condemning lite for not controlling his guild, yet holocaust does the same thing. quit crying if you aren't going to do something on your own side.

[MavstabYoudead]

lawyer doctoring

lol'd hard

sorry you don't understand federal law.

[Mac Drettj]

I feel like this is the fifth time I have read this exact message.

I truly hope these stated plans actually come to fruition.

[HippoNipple]

lite got a called and asked who is X is that one of you guys. Moments later he said nm it's colgate. he didn't say, "hey guys this is Colgate's name go crazy!" no matter how hard some of you tin foil hatters want to believe.

I never mentioned anything about how Lite got the information to the guild mates. I was pointing out the difference between putting your own information on the public forums and someone sharing your real life information from another source outside of public knowledge. There are a lot of ways to find out someone's real life information and it should never be aloud or used for taunting on forums or in game.

No matter how Lite gave the information to the guild, whether it was a slip or not, he should have been able to control the guild without them spamming it in /ooc. It isn't like it was a one time little slip up. If it went on for a few days there was plenty of time to rationally think and act.

[MavstabYoudead]

I never mentioned anything about how Lite got the information to the guild mates. I was pointing out the difference between putting your own information on the public forums and someone sharing your real life information from another source outside of public knowledge. There are a lot of ways to find out someone's real life information and it should never be aloud or used for taunting on forums or in game.

No matter how Lite gave the information to the guild, whether it was a slip or not, he should have been able to control the guild without them spamming it in /ooc. It isn't like it was a one time little slip up. If it went on for a few days there was plenty of time to rationally think and act.

when someone takes someone's rl information and then searches upon it and brings back information to this forum, that is going above and beyond anything that was done to colgate. period. that stuff happened with holocaust members yet colgate is on here preaching to keep rl off the forums, makes so much sense.

checkraise is another example in this very thread.

[Mac Drettj]

Isn't gyno/ retti in your guild . 75% of their posts and ooc are about lite andis and sektors rl pic or family / name so please reprimand them mr guild leader

http://s.smule.com/s0/store/61/dd/db8cfe32-c428-4646-907f-4e80b3270397.jpg

[Dubs]

to be honest i see more players trying to bait folks into LNS traps to get someone banned, than i see actual LNS violations.


http://i.imgur.com/nGC9X.jpg


Can we start seeing some disciplinary action for the scumbags that do this cause you honestly can't pvp on this server without the threat of getting banned. Those that cry wolf should have to face consequences.

[MavstabYoudead]

lite posting all of his information publicly and gyno using a fake name like gongongeru and calling him the snout is hardly the same thing as someone attempting to keep their name totally separate from the game, a guild leader then giving that out and not stopping his members from spamming his actual name

gyno taking that information and searching upon it to dig up dirt is 100x worse than anything done to you. you are a moron.

[Humerox]

some of you people are like my ex-wife

do something good and you forget
do something bad and you bring it up forfrickingever every time you're pissed off

chill out/move on all that was handled

[MavstabYoudead]

lol? what "dirt" has gyno dug up?

scroll to the top of page 20 to see a post by your pal checkraise. and you want to talk about holding people accountable? Such a joke.

he also had a post a day or two ago about it and subsequently was forum banned, yet again.

[HippoNipple]

when someone takes someone's rl information and then searches upon it and brings back information to this forum, that is going above and beyond anything that was done to colgate. period. that stuff happened with holocaust members yet colgate is on here preaching to keep rl off the forums, makes so much sense.

checkraise is another example in this very thread.

Bottom line is the GMs are obviously aware of both because both sides bring it up often enough. They made their judgement and it looks like they disagree with you on this one. In their eyes you are wrong.

Just like they saw something with the fear raid that Holo may not have agreed with. In that case they said Holocaust was wrong.

Trying to go back and get someone banned for shit they did months ago because you are upset about something is childish.

The only thing you imply by arguing this nonsense is that you think Holo is getting GM favoritism and every rational person on this server knows that is stupid.

[Swyft]

sirken has me nicknamed on skype to Colgate, and pulled me into a call before i realized that lite would be joining as well

the fact that your GUILD LEADER:

a) gave out my real life name to his guild
and
b) did not attempt at all to stop/reprimand his guildmates for literally spamming it in public in-game channels for several days

is honestly disgusting

No your lying we all had your real full name for years, I have pictures of you for christ sakes. But wtf can you do with a first name.

My First name is Joey not joe or Joesph, go ahead colgate find my SSN, My facebook, My highschool photo's my place of residence, my phone number.

FIND ANYTHING ABOUT ME WITH MY FIRST NAME!!

That's the entire purpose of the fucking rule in the first place not to post REAL LIFE INFORMATION ABOUT SOMEONE, no info can be ascertained from a first name alone. Your twisting the rules and for some reason GM's are buying it.

Now if someone posted your facebook or real life info like Gyno did to daisy that would be fucked up but that shit never happened to you. And Dazey never cried to a GM and she has woman parts.

[MavstabYoudead]

Bottom line is the GMs are obviously aware of both because both sides bring it up often enough. They made their judgement and it looks like they disagree with you on this one. In their eyes you are wrong.

Just like they saw something with the fear raid that Holo may not have agreed with. In that case they said Holocaust was wrong.

Trying to go back and get someone banned for shit they did months ago because you are upset about something is childish.

The only thing you imply by arguing this nonsense is that you think Holo is getting GM favoritism and every rational person on this server knows that is stupid.

not sure where you are getting any of this from. I'm not trying to get someone banned for anything. I'm pointing out how hypocritical colgate is for condemning lite for not taking action yet his guild has gone a step further with similar information, but he's ok with it.

[Mac Drettj]

No your lying we all had your real full name for years, I have pictures of you for christ sakes. But wtf can you do with a first name.

My First name is Joey not joe or Joesph, go ahead colgate find my SSN, My facebook, My highschool photo's my place of residence, my phone number.

FIND ANYTHING ABOUT ME WITH MY FIRST NAME!!

That's the entire purpose of the fucking rule in the first place not to post REAL LIFE INFORMATION ABOUT SOMEONE, no info can be ascertained from a first name alone. Your twisting the rules and for some reason GM's are buying it.

Now if someone posted your facebook or real life info like Gyno did to daisy that would be fucked up but that shit never happened to you. And Dazey never cried to a GM and she has woman parts.

Tldr all caps rage and sucks at pvp

[MavstabYoudead]

Sex offenders are registered for public view. He's a child rapist. He lost his rights to privacy. Hey Lite, the statutory rapist, how's life? How's the job hunt?

sirken this is the kind of stuff you are allowing here, right?

[MavstabYoudead]

Frank Gongoguru registered see offender from Colombia just acquired legal right to work in the US a week ago. Note the stipulations of NOT ALLOWED FOR REENTY.

again. if you want to show this kind of stuff isn't tolerated don't allow people like this on the forums.

[HippoNipple]

not sure where you are getting any of this from. I'm not trying to get someone banned for anything. I'm pointing out how hypocritical colgate is for condemning lite for not taking action yet his guild has gone a step further with similar information, but he's ok with it.

Colgate is just explaining to you guys why people were suspended and telling you how to avoid it in the future. If you don't want to be suspended don't do what you did. Then like a child you try to point fingers at someone else. You and Syft just sound like babies that continue to make up shit to complain about.

GMs looked at it and made a decision. Colgate explained it to you because you cried on the forums about it. Get over it.

[Swyft]

Sex offenders are registered for public view. He's a child rapist. He lost his rights to privacy. Hey Lite, the statutory rapist, how's life? How's the job hunt?

Wow Sirken yea man I'm fucking crazy for ever insinuating certain guild are shown favoritism.

Because saying a guys first name is the same as posting his legal records. SMH

http://www.showmedaily.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/i-feel-like-im-taking-crazy-pills.gif

[MavstabYoudead]

Colgate is just explaining to you guys why people were suspended and telling you how to avoid it in the future. If you don't want to be suspended don't do what you did. Then like a child you try to point fingers at someone else. You and Syft just sound like babies that continue to make up shit to complain about.

GMs looked at it and made a decision. Colgate explained it to you because you cried on the forums about it. Get over it.

no colgate is condoning rl attacks and saying lite should be able to control his guild when he can't do the same himself. you really are dense.

[MavstabYoudead]

Wow Sirken yea man I'm fucking crazy for ever insinuating certain guild are shown favoritism.

Because saying a guys first name is the same as posting his legal records. SMH

http://www.showmedaily.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/i-feel-like-im-taking-crazy-pills.gif

it's public information though based on that name. clearly saying a first name is worse.

not agreeing about the favoritism just think we play petitionquest less, but if that's how you guys want to play it deal with the consequences.

[MavstabYoudead]

was my last name, too

who cares nothing was added on to that information unlike what your crew did. pathetic and toxic.

[Sirken]

sirken this is the kind of stuff you are allowing here, right?

thats a perfect example of how to get banned imo

[MavstabYoudead]

thats a perfect example of how to get banned imo

pras

[heals4reals]

thats a perfect example of how to get banned imo

supreme court thinks otherwise

[Swyft]

No offense but it's not exactly accusing, it's public knowledge that can be viewed via the NYS website on sex offenders.

Stay out of Real Life
Many people expect to keep personal and real life matters seperate from those that happen on the Internet. We expect all forum members to respect eachother's privacy. You may not ever post any real life information about another user, including but not limited to, name and address, phone numbers, pictures, employers, associates, etc. This also extends to protect other forms of communication including IM Aliases and E-Mail addresses.


Here is a direct excerpt from the server policy on real life info, doesn;t matter where u found the info it's posting it that matters.

Now it does say name and address but I think common sense would dictate that to me "full name" ya know something that could be actually used to identify that person, while legal records are a clear cut and dry violation.

To be able to convince a GM that a first name is suspend worthy and legal records aren't to me is just a fucking wow moment in life.

[Kergan]

Burgerking is a piece of shit.

Thx for new sig.

[Kergan]

90% of the players that came to red from blue would have never made it past unrest If I didn't retire mrbigs

lol'd

Likely true.

[MavstabYoudead]

wasn't just my first name ya moran

I only said your first name and regardless I already gave you the definition of PII feel free to go look it up for yourself.

[heals4reals]

sirken bans if u use the wrong first+last name and mention a public record

dont argue amongst yourselves over his lack of mental capacity

[gobletsmashing]

Thx for new sig.

:D

[Kergan]

Gonna disagree. I grew up on the mean streets of Sullon Zek. I've seen some shit man.

Me too. This place is literally 1000x worse than the SZ community.

[Swyft]

wasn't just my first name ya moran

Why u lying nobody said anything but your first name damn tell the truth man!

[Nirgon]

I fucking love syft

Guy complains about racism and joins Azrael

[Swyft]

Guy complains about racism and joins Azrael

ARe you fucking kidding me are you aware that Gyno is in your guild????

[Nirgon]

gyno has been reprimanded by both holocaust leadership and sirken


http://i.imgur.com/E6dkmxf.jpg?fb

[Doors]

So BK is Swyft? Jesus I've had him on block for like a year.

[Nirgon]

ARe you fucking kidding me are you aware that Gyno is in your guild????

Yeah we got 1 Gyno you got at least 10

[Kergan]

So BK is Swyft? Jesus I've had him on block for like a year.

Should definitely unblock him, he is my favorite poster on these forums.

[Swyft]

http://i.imgur.com/E6dkmxf.jpg?fb

Well it's not like your gonna kick out the guy who bought ya 6 aons lol. What'd ya do slap his tooshie the way he likes

[Swyft]

hehehhehehh why do you think ragnaros had a longer vacation than the others?

I didn't think anyone said your full name but then again you've been caught in so many lies your rep is tarnished to the point that I now need screenshots to believe anything you say.

[MavstabYoudead]

hehehhehehh why do you think ragnaros had a longer vacation than the others?

because he had already had suspensions before? reaching.

[Genedin]

I'm only one page 11 and this is one of the best threads in a while.

[Kergan]

I'm only one page 11 and this is one of the best threads in a while.

It actually keeps getting better. Definitely one of the best non RNF threads ever created.

Although it will likely end up in RNF at some point.

[Humerox]

So BK is Swyft? Jesus I've had him on block for like a year.

his posts make a lot more sense now

[Ragnaros]

hehehhehehh why do you think ragnaros had a longer vacation than the others?

? ive been on everyday while you claimed I was gone for months
hehe

[Ragnaros]

nizzar is a non factor. he was a mediocre / below average PvPer with good PvE monk skills. He was a terribad guild leader and an ok raid leader. He benefited from being gifted a guild that was already in the #1 spot on server from Lovely, on a double digit pop box. His shtick wouldn't work in 2015 on 300+ pop red. Too many superior guild options.

im sure your a superior pvper with your ot hammer
scrub

[FoxxHound]

One time Sirken punched me in the face...
It was awesome!
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TkW2mnFT5No/hqdefault.jpg

[Pseudechis]

Im p sure hes allowed to come back but he doesnt want to, on the other note i willl donate 150 to the project if syft and sirken debate on stream this week

Ragnaros and I don't agree on many things but I'll second this!

[HippoNipple]

? ive been on everyday while you claimed I was gone for months
hehe

If you want to see when Ragnaros plays just check his deaths on leaderboards. He dies a couple times for every day he plays.

[Swyft]

If you want to see when Ragnaros plays just check his deaths on leaderboards. He dies a couple times for every day he plays.

And if you wanna see ohhh Hipponipple doesn't play he just talks shit on the forums all day.

[Genedin]

Yikes true story. Rexx status.

[Pseudechis]

I love how any thread aspergerking gets onto goes crazy!!!!! Also love that my phone now auto corrects for the word aspergerking...technology is great!

[HippoNipple]

Yikes true story. Rexx status.

Says the guy who doesn't play.

[Nirgon]

Yeah if you aren't playing 8 hours of everquest 6 days a week you're a weirdo loser nobody nonfactor

[Sheriff]

Yeah if you aren't playing 8 hours of everquest 6 days a week you're a weirdo loser nobody nonfactor

Nonfactor in real life. Which for most people that hurts, but people with this kind of sickness sees it as a positive. I think it's called alternative reality.

[Schnarf]

no way i can read 26 pages of this shit, red only doing better cause nihilum is gone and you can actually play and get loot now with holocaust, however if you think lumping everyone into one guild = server thriving then you deserve to be here playing on a 300 person server lol.

[Nirgon]

Nonfactor in real life. Which for most people that hurts, but people with this kind of sickness sees it as a positive. I think it's called alternative reality.

It's the pixel disease

[Akalakamelee]

page 17 and I'm disgusted, wtf, can we at least agree to wipe when this retarded blue parade on red stops?

to be clear,

WE ARE HERE BECAUSE BLUE SUCKS A FAT DICK, STOP TRYING TO MAKE RED BLUE YOU 'firegiants'

Agreed

[Glenzig]

I'm sorry you have to deal with this amount of mental sickness Sirken. Please remember those of us who are somewhere close to somewhat normal people.

[Not_Kazowi]

Great post!

When this guy gets banned for RMT again will lite go down with him for it now since leaders are held accountable?

[Crazycloud]

When this guy gets banned for RMT again will lite go down with him for it now since leaders are held accountable?

[MEGANS LAW]

Considering the most prolific buyer was just draped in no-drop raid loot and handed a best in slot warrior a week after his freshest RMT ban, and explicitly states that Lite will powerlevel and regear him, I am inclined to say no.

[pingpong]

this thread is r99 in a microcosm

[Milton]

Can understand my ban but you should have left my post, shit is goin blue and it's fucking disgusting to red players, stop fucking with a server that is growing, last time you white tower residents decided to help the cause all you did was fuck it up, kind of like the time before that, and also, strangely like the time before that as well. Go back to blue. Or set up a rotation. Fuck.

[Pseudechis]

Should definitely unblock him, he is my favorite poster on these forums.

Aspergerking come back?!!!

[Not_Kazowi]

Considering the most prolific buyer was just draped in no-drop raid loot and handed a best in slot warrior a week after his freshest RMT ban, and explicitly states that Lite will powerlevel and regear him, I am inclined to say no.

Who needs an employment authorization document when you got eqemu rmt hehe

[Clark]

pras sirken, keeping it real as always

[Aleks.J]

I have always been a Pve guy since 99. However i would be careful to police red too much, pop is on the rise and the wild west should stay the wild west.

People kill eachother all over the place, strip, rerolling and training the f*** out of eachother in Black Burrow.. yhehaaw.

[bigbeng]

Sirken .....Derubael Has banned so many people that there only fault is having a friend log them in. It also seems that all the people that get unabnned are holocaust Alot More then what you may think. This is a security issue for players will they lvl up thinking they can be banned at will. Or if they are guild leader Invite a App they RMT Bam your banned.

Another thing there has Been alot of RMT on Blue wich is then traded server to server.
i think any trades server to server should be watched alot more plz.

[Swyft]

i like how you blame me for Hughman, and not the dumb asshole that was casting spells and forcing me to use DT in the first place, but ok fine.


http://img.pandawhale.com/post-21454-you-had-ONE-job-samwell-tarly-wsdt.gif