Guild LNS

[Aussie]

There seems to have been abit of this happening lately, and I want to clear it up:

Guild leadership / officers are NOT required for a guild to call LnS as a whole

I don't know where this has come from, but our rules do not state this. Rules on this subject can be found in the following thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148787

[Aussie]

Explain to me from where in the rules linked, you get that an officer or leadership is required to call guild LNS?

[Grimjaw]

sorry deleted my rant about rules. I wasn't referring to the one in OP just the entire set as a whole

[Nirgon]

If a single person tries to disrupt a raid and is killed, do they have to make the force/guild lns call to get corpse? Or simple LNS only applies?

Raid disruption by simple people dispelling was a huge issue on RZ, and the PNP reflected it.

[Eslade]

thought this was general knowledge.

[vouss]

Are we sure it should be left that way? There might be more confusion from letting random people in the guild call LnS when no ones intention ever was to call LnS.

Though I suppose guild leaders can just suck it up and LnS even if they had no intentions to, and deal with the guildy themselves.

---- also thank you for addressing this via a post here, as opposed to editing the PnP rules half ways through in section 3. b) that I never read after the OP.

[heartbrand]

We need to address the classic PnP on live where one or two people are not allowed to disrupt a raid force if they are unable to kill the mob. This will be incredibly important in Velious

[Ragnaros]

sounds blue as fuck

[heartbrand]

sounds blue as fuck

sounds classic as fuck. last time I checked this is Project 1999, not Project Custom. Thanks 8)

[Tassador]

Thats an aggressive smiley get checked for psychosis immediately if not sooner.

[Humerox]

while you're at it please clear up the fact that LNS should be respected by all players in zone. been a huge problem with a certain guild bringing other unguilded or different tagged toons into a zone and then not respecting LNS because "their guild" didn't do the killing.


also been a problem with a certain guild not allowing toons to get dragged and rezzed up for LNS in zones like seb...

[Ragnaros]

sounds like you want to be uncontested, theres another server for that pal.

[Humerox]

off your ban yet?

[Ragnaros]

too busy gearing out my holo alt

[Humerox]

sounds nice...but let me direct your attention to this part of LNS

"If multiple players died in PvP and all choose to LnS, they may help each other do so (IE, res each other, drag corpses, port, etc) unless they have already opted out of LnS by fighting after death. After you have left the zone, you are considered to have finished Loot and Scooting, and may again be attacked."

[sealer]

sounds classic as fuck. last time I checked this is Project 1999, not Project Custom. Thanks 8)

Lns is classic ? In classic RZ you had to ask whoever pked you for lns and it was up to him to let you lns

And you could attack a raid force in Velious when they are attack mob, if you want uncontested mobs go play WoW

[Ragnaros]

Lns is classic ? In classic RZ you had to ask whoever pked you for lns and it was up to him to let you lns

And you could attack a raid force in Velious when they are attack mob, if you want uncontested mobs go play WoW

[bigstuff]

We need to address the classic PnP on live where one or two people are not allowed to disrupt a raid force if they are unable to kill the mob. This will be incredibly important in Velious

Pretty much this...

[daasgoot]

We need to address the classic PnP on live where one or two people are not allowed to disrupt a raid force if they are unable to kill the mob. This will be incredibly important in Velious

gaaaayyyyyy

[Gustoo]

Yeah I can never remember the progression of rain squabbles that took place especially in velious but there were a lot of subtle rules that developed because of the sheer impossibility of stopping 1 or 2 dudes from majorly disrupting raids in some circumstances.

[heartbrand]

Lns is classic ? In classic RZ you had to ask whoever pked you for lns and it was up to him to let you lns

And you could attack a raid force in Velious when they are attack mob, if you want uncontested mobs go play WoW

Here is the response from CS regarding the policies..

Of course everything depends on if we can prove their intentions or witness the actions in some way, so our response will be somewhat situational. With that said, the situation(s) that this person described would be handled as follows:

If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution.
If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP.

[heartbrand]

Also from the original first version of the PnP from 2000, aka classic as fuck:

" Bind-point/Corpse Camping
Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of retrieving their corpse is illegal and will result in a warning when witnessed by an EQCSR. You are expected in all cases to give someone a reasonable amount of time to recover their corpse an leave the area prior to attacking again.

Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and would result in a warning if witnessed by an EQCSR.

The EQCSR in attendance will decide what is reasonable in these cases. It is highly recommended that the people involved make equitable arrangements prior to involving the EverQuest Customer Service Staff. "

[Ragnaros]

naw go back to blue

[Akalakamelee]

"LnS" did not exist on RZ live like it does on R99. Bind camping, corpse camping and yes zone campin (which happens constantly on R99) were simply not allowed, if you did it you got a warning if you were caught. The "LnS" rule on here is good and also needed due to the population and the fact that staffing is volunteer not paid shifts like live was. There is no need kill over and over anyways, move on if you really do enjoy pvping.

[sealer]

Here is the response from CS regarding the policies..

Of course everything depends on if we can prove their intentions or witness the actions in some way, so our response will be somewhat situational. With that said, the situation(s) that this person described would be handled as follows:

If raid X had yet to engage in the encounter, the raid should find a PvP solution.
If both raid X and Y engage simultaneously, they should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did not have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, we will enforce the PnP.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y who did have adequate force to have a reasonable chance for the encounter, raid X should find a PvP solution.
If raid X had engaged in the encounter and it was disrupted through PvP by group Y by training, we will enforce the PnP.
Not classic

[Gustoo]

definitely classic as fuck good post.

[Akalakamelee]

sounds blue as fuck

Hate to say it, but I agree with Ragnaros on this one. If your guild doesn't have the man power to handle the raid and possible disruption, then you need to work on that. Uncontested pixels means more fungi crush bone gankers being made. That's more toxic then anything else.

[Ragnaros]

your already raiding KUNARK dragons with 80 people and now u want uncontested velious? leave this thread

[Danien]

You may not use any sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive language.

Maybe we should just enforce this one as well so there would be no one left to raid.

[Akalakamelee]

Skip a step and just pull the plug at that point. Lol

[sealer]

Also from the original first version of the PnP from 2000, aka classic as fuck:

" Bind-point/Corpse Camping
Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of retrieving their corpse is illegal and will result in a warning when witnessed by an EQCSR. You are expected in all cases to give someone a reasonable amount of time to recover their corpse an leave the area prior to attacking again.

Conversely, the person recovering their corpse is expected to do so and retreat to safety promptly. In other words, sitting next to your corpse and taunting someone while daring them to attack you so that you can /petition them is bad form, and would result in a warning if witnessed by an EQCSR.

The EQCSR in attendance will decide what is reasonable in these cases. It is highly recommended that the people involved make equitable arrangements prior to involving the EverQuest Customer Service Staff. "
Again lns is not Classic, this is not lns

[Gustoo]

I'm just GUESSING that the looting part is "You are expected in all cases to give someone a reasonable amount of time to recover their corpse" and the scooting part is "and leave the area prior to attacking again"

When I was looting and scooting on rallos I looted my shit into a bag as fast as I could and left the zone before enemy had a chance to notice me there. Definitely not hanging around buffing me and my friends and stuff like that. I was getting tfo asap

[Akalakamelee]

LnS needs to be followed on both ends, I've see ppl call it then go right back to experience gains right where they died. Can't do that shit, move out. And a killer should move on too, even for yourself, find more targets

[Gustoo]

It is the murderers right to occupy the zone and even the region he is prowling and a victim who chooses not to LNS can go back to doing whatever the heck he or she wants to do.

[Humerox]

gtfo asap changes a bit in zones like seb

point is that the rules allow for dragging and rezzing to properly LNS if it's called.

glad this BS of it having to be guild officers is finally cleared up too

[Kergan]

The issue is just as much people abusing LNS as it is people not allowing it. If people wouldn't fuck with others while LNSing I doubt people would care much if they took an extra few minutes.

[Gustoo]

Agreed ^

[zacharion]

a few individuals were able to attack raid forces, whoever stating otherwise is wrong simply, on RZ the pnp didn't prohibit a few individuals from interrupting raids, Nirgon you may remember Ascending Dawn members using chetari warder staff on our lower lvls to knock them back and train our raids in TOV. So that said keep it the same.

[Tassador]

Just follow the rules.

[Slathar]

I 100% plan on golem wanding main tanks during Velious encounters with parked throw-away characters.

Because it's classic.



NEXT

[Smedy]

There seems to have been abit of this happening lately, and I want to clear it up:

Guild leadership / officers are NOT required for a guild to call LnS as a whole

I don't know where this has come from, but our rules do not state this. Rules on this subject can be found in the following thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148787

Pretty sure if it isn't stated in the rulebook there has been a typo. It's pretty much common knowledge that there's no way to police everyones personal lns requests in the middle of mass pvp, you simply kill everyone until that "force" calls lns as a whole.

[Humerox]

guilds will have to police their own members...if you look at it another way if some random newb calls guild LNS and other guild members screw it up it's all FFA after that, right?

[daasgoot]

i ran into a situation where a holocaust guy tried calling LNS just to avoid pvp or maybe to throw me off while attacking him. I checked the leaderboards and ooc and previous YT and he hadn't died to PVP within the last 24 hours.

Also was double backstabbed in DL by a holocaust guy that had just called force LNS in DL. I saw him coming but i just sat down because i assumed he was leaving the zone(was right by FV ZL). due to low mana and the double BS i plugged, he then camped my plug for 30 minutes.

so my policy is... if you are wearing your gear(and a holocaust tag), i will kill you no matter what you say. If i get in trouble by staff, i don't really give a fuck.

[dontbanpls]

i ran into a situation where a holocaust guy tried calling LNS just to avoid pvp or maybe to throw me off while attacking him. I checked the leaderboards and ooc and previous YT and he hadn't died to PVP within the last 24 hours.

Also was double backstabbed in DL by a holocaust guy that had just called force LNS in DL. I saw him coming but i just sat down because i assumed he was leaving the zone(was right by FV ZL). due to low mana and the double BS i plugged, he then camped my plug for 30 minutes.

so my policy is... if you are wearing your gear(and a holocaust tag), i will kill you no matter what you say. If i get in trouble by staff, i don't really give a fuck.

Damn dude some holo member who doesn't play anymore kills ya once for not calling LNS and now you have gone full on retarded

[Nirgon]

your already raiding KUNARK dragons with 80 people and now u want uncontested velious? leave this thread

Oh no ya don't. We're just saying that if you don't have a force that can attempt the mob (like 2 guys), you can't just go up and dispel shit and dunk on every raid. Moving on to the next point.


a few individuals were able to attack raid forces, whoever stating otherwise is wrong simply, on RZ the pnp didn't prohibit a few individuals from interrupting raids, Nirgon you may remember Ascending Dawn members using chetari warder staff on our lower lvls to knock them back and train our raids in TOV. So that said keep it the same.

Velious RZ I believe is exactly where the rule came from. Hunsa and others would dispel the statue of Rallos Zek basically guaranteeing a wipe. Originally a suspension went out for this incident to Hunsa because it was ruled as intentionally causing experience loss to a player (violation of PNP). Once the raid disruptions of 1-4 people became rampant, this was put in place during Ozuri's reign of martial law on RZ as head CSR. It is necessary for server health and is a policy that recreates the classic experience.


I mean how does anyone plan on killing anything that can be slowed in Velious (some of these things take like 5-6 attempts to get one to stick) when it takes but 1 click of a golem wand or enchanter pell to wipe everyone at pretty much any point after the engage?

What this rule also mandates is if the enemy force does have at least what appears to be a capable force that you can bow out and let them take their free shot.

Now, this is fine for Venril because every time either side has showed up to disrupt, they've had a force capable of killing the mob (all disruptions of encounter have resulted in basically a kill right after).

This is something that is going to swing both ways with raid targets that don't take 30 seconds to kill anymore. I highly suggest unless you are campaigning for a guild of 5 guys who can play 24-7 to dispel raid targets that this rule gets a look.

We used to legalize corpse camping here, have xp loss on death and boy was it "blue as fuck" when those were taken away... but he population has risen.

Meanwhile this most of this same crowd is completely against item loot. Who is blue as fuck now? ;)

[daasgoot]

Damn dude some holo member who doesn't play anymore kills ya once for not calling LNS and now you have gone full on retarded

whaaaat?

this makes no sense. maybe re-read my post.

[Nirgon]

A request to forum goers: can you talk about male pattern baldness, large women and Home Alone in any of the other threads besides this one being spammed with that stuff

[daasgoot]

i ran into a situation where a holocaust guy tried calling LNS just to avoid pvp or maybe to throw me off while attacking him. I checked the leaderboards and ooc and previous YT and he hadn't died to PVP within the last 24 hours.

Also was double backstabbed in DL by a holocaust guy that had just called force LNS in DL. I saw him coming but i just sat down because i assumed he was leaving the zone(was right by FV ZL). due to low mana and the double BS i plugged, he then camped my plug for 30 minutes.

so my policy is... if you are wearing your gear(and a holocaust tag), i will kill you no matter what you say. If i get in trouble by staff, i don't really give a fuck.

i have also been bind camped, and had LNS ignored in the past by holocaust members.

so its laughable for staff or holocaust players to have any expectation of me honoring an LNS called by holo.

however, any LNS calls by unguilded/fresh/redrum etc.. i will honor.

[Crazycloud]

These LnS rules are correct. Playing on SZ made me happy to avoid all these rules but since we are on RZ rules...... i guess, rules are rules.

[fred schnarf]

as a rallos zek player i can 100% confirm that even tho you can pull up some posts with clearly posted rules, gm's never interfered with raids, bind camping /qing exp death SKS, scams, scumbagging and training

you were on your own on live.

[Kergan]

Funny how some people are saying PNP rules that forces actual PVP instead of dispelling a mob and dying to it is blue.

[Grimjaw]

as a rallos zek player i can 100% confirm that even tho you can pull up some posts with clearly posted rules, gm's never interfered with raids, bind camping /qing exp death SKS, scams, scumbagging and training

you were on your own on live.

this. gm's were like the lunch lady supervisor in elementary school. shit got reported to her daily, but u know u aint getting in shit

[Pikrib]

Customer service is 1000 times better here than on live.

Thanks P99 GM/Guides.

[Mac Drettj]

maybe in bizzaro world

[heartbrand]

Customer service is 1000 times better here than on live.

Thanks P99 GM/Guides.

Umm no not even close, no clue what you're smoking.

[Pikrib]

Umm no not even close, no clue what you're smoking.

I played after midnight (west coast) on RZ. I remember waiting over a month for a response from a petition about a quest item being eaten. It was basically pointless for late night players to petition anything because we didn't have any CS support.

[Bazia]

my naked 56 warrior wielding golem wands is ready

[Glenzig]

All these Azrael folks are pretty bent on having LNS taken away. You sure that's what you want? Remember that 2/3 of the server is Holo and Fresh. 200 people corpse camping Azrael may not be in your best interests. You should be fighting tooth and nail for LNS to be more strictly enforced. Not the other way around. Its the only thing keeping you in the game.

[Nirgon]

No. GMs were up our ass in Velious. They shut down a zone over small man griefing raid targets with the added clause if you pvped immediately following it at common bind points you'd be suspended. We tested them and got suspended.

SZ had no rules, RZ did, this server does.

There's just no way around agreeing with that if you were part of the massive Rebirth vs AD guild war in Velious.

[dontbanpls]

Azrael just wants the gm's to approve them griefing people off of the box. They are constantly spitting in the face of the PNP.

Adding their own ridiculous rules, such as forcing officers/leaders to be present to call guild lns. Creating time frames for people to lns, refusing to let people drag corpses in areas like seb and then saying that since they created a difficult corpse run that they have the right to corpse camp someone because they didn't manage to recover their corpse in this imagined time frame of their choosing.

This is a guild that needs to go. This is a game and these guy's are doing everything in their power to make it so that isn't true for anyone.

It hurts the image of the project to have these people around constantly shitting on the vision of the staff. A lot of us understand that the GM's can't be around for everything and that they can not be involved in everything, but a lot of people play this game far too much and see this behavior go unpunished very frequently.

The result is that things get more and more out of control. We have seen it go further than it should have many times, and it is very apparent to me that the one thing that is consistent about those events has been Azrael's involvement. The server is doing well to police itself finally and I hope that the staff see's that and will take an opportunity to do more to help. There is no reason that 20 people should be able to prevent 300 from enjoying this project.

[heartbrand]

Azrael just wants the gm's to approve them griefing people off of the box. They are constantly spitting in the face of the PNP.

Adding their own ridiculous rules, such as forcing officers/leaders to be present to call guild lns. Creating time frames for people to lns, refusing to let people drag corpses in areas like seb and then saying that since they created a difficult corpse run that they have the right to corpse camp someone because they didn't manage to recover their corpse in this imagined time frame of their choosing.

This is a guild that needs to go. This is a game and these guy's are doing everything in their power to make it so that isn't true for anyone.

It hurts the image of the project to have these people around constantly shitting on the vision of the staff. A lot of us understand that the GM's can't be around for everything and that they can not be involved in everything, but a lot of people play this game far too much and see this behavior go unpunished very frequently.

The result is that things get more and more out of control. We have seen it go further than it should have many times, and it is very apparent to me that the one thing that is consistent about those events has been Azrael's involvement. The server is doing well to police itself finally and I hope that the staff see's that and will take an opportunity to do more to help. There is no reason that 20 people should be able to prevent 300 from enjoying this project.

Hall of fame caliber post. Id like to add that they consistently shit up blue threads involving red and make the server look poor.

[Cappa]

I find this thread confusing. Aussie is posting a thread called Guild LNS, just days after Sirken and Derubael went into very specific detail on Monday's stream about how Guild LnS does not exist in the PnP, only Force LnS. Nowhere does Force imply a single guild, or any officers of a guild, or anything for that matter guild related.

Seems this entire thread is moot, and the issue it is attempting to address?

[heartbrand]

Plz not 2 ban for saying this but the rules on red99 are whatever the GM of the week decides they are when he makes his decision. Just try to lay low and not cause any trouble.

[Nirgon]

I imagine this thread was not immediately locked/stickied because we expect staff response?

I mean Sirken or whoever decides just decide what you want the rule to be, bat down any rule lawyering as it rolls into this thread.

If you want to get a Skype call together with reps from each guild and nail down any grey areas let us know.

There are definitely questions which don't require too much thinking, just specific scenarios could use some clarification.

Classic PNP is best PNP for server health.

No one wants a 30 population box where the odd "enjoyment" of griefing someone off is the highlight of the experience.

[Pikrib]

Hall of fame caliber post.

You two getting along brings a smile to my face and warmth to my frozen heart.

[Buhbuh]

I'd keep the best ideas from this thread in the forefront but not implement anything until we get a better sense of how it will go down. I'd rather send a force to break off from the raid to guard shit.

Once SoW is pelled, you have to reckon with the fact that you're a mile from a zone line in most raid zones.

It might not be the problem you think it will be. Just gotta get creative. We'll see.

[Ragnaros]

ya holo not getting any velious mobs, ill farm golem wands till my eyes bleed

[Buhbuh]

I think you're overestimating how competent you are, but yeah.

You guys probably won't even make it into Cobalt Scar for the first few days 8).

[HippoNipple]

PnP was meant to give guidelines and steer the mentality of the server in the right direction. Maybe if the players were forced by rules to let someone they killed get their corpse and leave they will see how good sportsmanship makes the server more fun. It is sad that a year later the rules are still argued over almost every engagement because one side wants to go as far as they can to ruin another person's time on a game.

[Ragnaros]

I have like 3 characters in holocaust, 2 of which have been rewarded loot in the past 30 days
feels fucking good

[heartbrand]

Close race between Ragnaros and Mellowyellow for dumbest player in r99 history.

[Troubled]

I have like 3 characters in holocaust, 2 of which have been rewarded loot in the past 30 days
feels fucking good

At least you know where it's really at.

[Thyrm]

I have like 3 characters in holocaust, 2 of which have been rewarded loot in the past 30 days
feels fucking good

Probably received a disability check in the last 30 days too...

[Ragnaros]

hahah feels good,
holocaust going to be repeating a lot of guild lnsing in velious due to pve deaths like they did in VP cup weeks ago
feels good

[heartbrand]

cant wait 2 see lite try to navigate his way to ToV

[Ragnaros]

hb u should be ashamed of yourself, I would re evaluate my life if I was assisting off a 16 year old's t staff procs

[Nirgon]

Ya either side having to kill everything at 4am due to threat of golem wand is red as fuck

lol @ Holo sucks but gears up my alts, thanks for killin' raid mobs for us enjoy the pixels

We're lootin and crootin

[Guido]

hb u should be ashamed of yourself, I would re evaluate my life if I was assisting off a 12 year old's t staff procs

holy shit I rofl'd

and ftfy

[Mac Drettj]

did you laugh heavily?

[HippoNipple]

I have like 3 characters in holocaust, 2 of which have been rewarded loot in the past 30 days
feels fucking good

This guy hates Holocaust so much and wants to do all he can to hurt them in Velious.

So far his number 1 idea of how to prepare for the war is help gear Holocaust mains by raiding with his alts that will never use the gear they receive since Rag will be playing his rogue after the suspension is up.

This guy needs leadership to tell him how to spend his time in Norrath quick.

[Buhbuh]

I've noticed that if Andis is really laughing at all the things he says he laughs at... he's got terrible sense of humor.

We can all sort of recognize when things are funny, but Ragnaros? I don't know about that. Be honest about it at least.

[dontbanpls]

I've also noticed that he accuses everyone of sucking dick and then goes around ...well doing what he does. I think it is called projection but i'm really not much of a freudian thinker

[Danien]

cant wait 2 see lite try to navigate his way to ToV

Oh man what a glorious sight it will be to watch people get lost in the maze on their way to yelinak.

[Humerox]

Azrael just wants the gm's to approve them griefing people off of the box. They are constantly spitting in the face of the PNP.

Adding their own ridiculous rules, such as forcing officers/leaders to be present to call guild lns. Creating time frames for people to lns, refusing to let people drag corpses in areas like seb and then saying that since they created a difficult corpse run that they have the right to corpse camp someone because they didn't manage to recover their corpse in this imagined time frame of their choosing.

This is a guild that needs to go. This is a game and these guy's are doing everything in their power to make it so that isn't true for anyone.

It hurts the image of the project to have these people around constantly shitting on the vision of the staff. A lot of us understand that the GM's can't be around for everything and that they can not be involved in everything, but a lot of people play this game far too much and see this behavior go unpunished very frequently.

The result is that things get more and more out of control. We have seen it go further than it should have many times, and it is very apparent to me that the one thing that is consistent about those events has been Azrael's involvement. The server is doing well to police itself finally and I hope that the staff see's that and will take an opportunity to do more to help. There is no reason that 20 people should be able to prevent 300 from enjoying this project.

this

[daasgoot]

Oh man what a glorious sight it will be to watch people get lost in the maze on their way to yelinak.

i still get lost on my way from CT spire to Ferrott

[Colgate]

i still get lost on my way from CT spire to Ferrott

ur gonna have a real bad time in skyshrine then

[LostCause]

best thing about skyshrine was your far into the maze gl pugging

[Agatha]

noone ever runs to yeli, you CoH.

[heartbrand]

noone ever runs to yeli, you CoH.

There's a range limit that prevents that

[Kergan]

Playing 2-3 months on the Zek Velious box really helped refresh my memory on Velious, the sheep who've had their hands held for three years are in a world of shit when it drops.

[LostCause]

noone ever runs to yeli, you CoH.

amount of time it takes you to summon 40-50+ ppl you could run down there in that time.(only takes 10mins tops if you know way 100%)


for turn ins i could understand having a mage summon you.

to kill her your whole raid would get there quicker just running down there then summoning everyone.

[zacharion]

Nirgon you could attack peoples raid forces with 6 if you wanted to, I never saw that rule enforced once one RZ.
Stoopy

[silo32]

We need to address the classic PnP on live where one or two people are not allowed to disrupt a raid force if they are unable to kill the mob. This will be incredibly important in Velious

this is the biggest joke ever by the biggest joke ever

played on sullon zek up until the merge into zek

A player named speedd would solo wipe a full raid with fading memories where training raids was legal

we had no cs on that server so having opposing faction to the raid was a big thing

like it will be here in velious

ps hb no one liked you in nihilum you failed red dawn and your sill a garbage can in holo

[Kergan]

So you're using SZ as an example of how it should be so we can have good competition on R99?

lol

[Bazia]

u must have same amount of people as the raid ur attacking is the stupidest shit i have ever heard

[Gustoo]

So you're using SZ as an example of how it should be so we can have good competition on R99?

lol

Exactly what I was about to say lol.

[Mac Drettj]

this is the biggest joke ever by the biggest joke ever

played on sullon zek up until the merge into zek

A player named speedd would solo wipe a full raid with fading memories where training raids was legal

we had no cs on that server so having opposing faction to the raid was a big thing

like it will be here in velious

ps hb no one liked you in nihilum you failed red dawn and your sill a garbage can in holo

Nobody cares about sz rules tho

[heartbrand]

this is the biggest joke ever by the biggest joke ever

played on sullon zek up until the merge into zek

A player named speedd would solo wipe a full raid with fading memories where training raids was legal

we had no cs on that server so having opposing faction to the raid was a big thing

like it will be here in velious

ps hb no one liked you in nihilum you failed red dawn and your sill a garbage can in holo

Disliked me so much they let me loot every item in the game :) . How many people joined your guild btw? Feels good knowing I'll be wearing full Vulak loot in velious tanking dragons with my aim chat pals.

[Colgate]

u must have same amount of people as the raid ur attacking is the stupidest shit i have ever heard

not at a single point in this thread did anyone say that at all

[Ragnaros]

not at a single point in this thread did anyone say that at all

nirgon said that 100%
By holocaust's logic, You need a raid force of 80 to kill velious end game mobs, Im sure this can be quoted by many holocaust members, probably nirgon, even semenwall and heartbrand probably.. USING that logic with the Bluebie rule that nirgon wants ( U need a raid force that can kill mob to contest another raid) you need 80 people to contest 80 people... so yeah semenwall, it was said you moran

[Gustoo]

Some bad logic there bud. Obviously the rules would have assumed some kind of minimum force requirement. Instead of rolling out velious lets roll back to classic?

[Gustoo]

Also uhhh off topic but who is guild leader of this new version of holocaust?

[Colgate]

ya ragnaros is legitimately retarded

[Kergan]

No need to over complicate it. You want to show up with 3 people and try to PK healers and tanks go for it. You want to show up with 3 people and dispel the raid mob to wipe a raid, against the rules.

PVP = ok.
Using PVE means to wipe a raid = not ok.

[Ragnaros]

naw fuck that im golem wanding any zergling who engages a raid mob
no uncontested pixels on my watch u feelers?
u want that go 2 blue, cya nerd

[Kergan]

naw fuck that im golem wanding any zergling who engages a raid mob
no uncontested pixels on my watch u feelers?
u want that go 2 blue, cya nerd

I see no problem with you golem wanding another player. But golem wanding the raid mob to wipe a raid is about the bluest shit I can think of.

[Ragnaros]

naw no uncontested pixels

[Danien]

this is the biggest joke ever by the biggest joke ever

played on sullon zek up until the merge into zek

A player named speedd would solo wipe a full raid with fading memories where training raids was legal

we had no cs on that server so having opposing faction to the raid was a big thing

like it will be here in velious

ps hb no one liked you in nihilum you failed red dawn and your sill a garbage can in holo

Speaking on the behalf of us who do want disruptive forces to be allowed it would be great if you stopped arguing for it.

Ress box/ghost/da/fd training is an entirely different beast and it was unquestionably detrimental to the raiding scene.

Sending in small forces protect a mob on the other hand was a lot of fun and also gave the raiding force has a fair chance at defending against it. It presented many interesting scenarios where you could set up stations to deal with potential disruptive parties, ignore threats and attempt to brute force the mob or explore other options. It simply added flavor to encounters that without outside threats were considered trivial.

[iiNGloriouS]

Cant wait for veliois so rag can get lost in Kael, skyshrine, the yeli maze. All for that "pvp"

[Bazia]

what does training have to do with 3 people disrupting raids with pvp

[Ragnaros]

unlike your teenage "leaders" I played first hand in velious on RZ"s premiere raiding guild, in velious, gyno can vouche

[Gustoo]

What guild?

[Thyrm]

unlike your teenage "leaders" I played first hand in velious on RZ"s premiere raiding guild, in velious, gyno can vouche

What was your char name in AD? I call bullshit.

[Kergan]

Saying you were in AD is like saying you were in Nihilum. It wasn't like there was any exclusivity. If you told me you were in tB, FU, HP, etc, I'd give a shit.

[Pikrib]

Saying you were in AD is like saying you were in Nihilum. It wasn't like there was any exclusivity. If you told me you were in tB, FU, HP, etc, I'd give a shit.

says the X nihi member.

[Ragnaros]

AD actually had guild wars, Nihilum uncontested 2 years

[zacharion]

this one time i gave the dain a glowing black sword a muzzle of mardu and ascending dawn petitioned me for being incredibly intelligent

[Kergan]

AD actually had guild wars, Nihilum uncontested 2 years

RZ confirmed bluest PVP server in EQ history.

[Kergan]

says the X nihi member.

And ex tB member.

Better to be a has been than a never was like yourself.

[Nirgon]

Have fun dispelling raid mobs


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