Sea Dragon Meats

[Daldaen]

This item should not exist Pre-Velious.

I couldn't find any reference to people getting them off Faydedar pre-Velious. If you have evidence of it dropping pre-Velious from Faydedar let me know. Or Wurm Meat or Wyvern Meat...

This seems to be supported based off its item ID:

22815 - Section of Lodizal's Shell
22814 - Sea Dragon Scales
22813 - Sea Dragon Meat
22812 - Water Dragon Meat
22811 - Drake Meat
22810 - Walrus Meat
22809 - Wurm Meat
22808 - Wyvern Meat
22807 - Dragon Meat
22806 - Otterman Meat

So it's smack dab in the middle of a bunch of other Velious items in the ID system.

Faydedar specific drops:

11588 - Shield of the Water Dragon
11583 - Water Dragon Scales

In summary, Sea Dragon Meat + Wurm + Wyvern Meat should not drop until Velious. All existing meats should be purged from game. These items are used in no Kunark Quest or Tradeskill recipes:

https://web.archive.org/web/20011201150111/http://eqtraders.com/secrets/recipes_baking.htm

All the meats listed are used in Velious tradeskills (evidence by the fact that they all require oyster sauces and seaweed vinegar, vendor purchaseable in Cobalt Scar) and are surrounded by Velious raid drops in their item IDing.

Allakhazam - Item (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5617) - First Post, April 2001
Allakhazam - Faydedar (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4470&p=3#comments) - First post mentioning meat, January 2002

[Thulack]

Lol Eratani gonna get on you so bad :P

[evilkorn]

While this isn't a beacon of accuracy EQlizer does not list sea dragon meat.
http://web.archive.org/web/20001206002000/http://www.gameznet.com/eq/ultra/faydedar.html

[Greengrocer]

All existing meats should be purged from game.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/77/7773af9770acea44e2c046c6284ec7d1533d53c8d4091919f0 12c3f1a9d9adc9.jpg

[Daldaen]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/77/7773af9770acea44e2c046c6284ec7d1533d53c8d4091919f0 12c3f1a9d9adc9.jpg

Being someone who prides themselves in the quality of their meat, I would think you of all people, would be in support of the removal of meats that were obtained in an unsavory and unjust (unclassic) way.

[loramin]

Didn't something like this happen with Wu's armor? And when they fixed it to remove the recipe didn't they leave any existing Wu's armor in the game?

Seems like this is the same idea ...

[Daldaen]

Wu's armor, and Blue Diamonds were functional items.

Sea Dragon Meat currently is just a stack of items. It has no functional purpose in game right now. You can't equip it or wield it. You can't consume it. You can't combine it. No one in their right mind is selling or buying this item right now either.

We shouldn't launch Velious, Day 1, and have 300 Othmir Prexus Totems. That is dumb.

[khanable]

I like where this is going

[wycca]

I could find no evidence supporting the existance of these meats pre-velious. In fact, the sequential numbering of these items with velious items supports that they weren't in the game.

There are item # clumps that jump around, but items from 1 expansion always run in the same number chains. They don't mix and match consecutive numbers by expansion really.

[Daldaen]

Gonna bump this.

Faydedar shouldn't drop Sea Dragon Meat and all existing Meats should be purged. Lets make those Othmir Totems actually rare for the beginning of Velious not 200 totems attained by staring at sand for 16-hours autofiring your javelin.

[heartbrand]

How do you deal with people who bought them then? If anything should just stop it going forward.

[heartbrand]

On a side note if you played on red you wouldn't have to poop sock 8)

[Daldaen]

How do you deal with people who bought them then? If anything should just stop it going forward.

Thats them being dumb buying an item that has no purpose until a later expansion, that has no evidence supporting it dropping before said expansion.

Lets be realistic though. The VAST majority of these meats are sitting in guild-banks. In stacks. Waiting to be transformed into Othmir Prexus Totems the minute you get someone keyed in Cobalt Scar.

[Daldaen]

Just killed Faydedar, dropped Meat. Not classic.

Someone brought up a fantastic point. We could just swap all Sea Dragon Meats for Steaks.

[Thulack]

Just killed Faydedar, dropped Meat. Not classic.

Someone brought up a fantastic point. We could just swap all Sea Dragon Meats for Steaks.

wonder who suggested that.

[Daldaen]

Bump. It wasn't me Thulack.

But I like the idea of replacing all Sea Dragon Meats with the Steaks and turning off that drop until Velious.

[Sponge]

If item ID is really a reliable way to tell whether or not an item should be in game, then I would think this item would already not be in the game. Not hard to do a comparison between two lists.

[Daldaen]

Bump.

No mention of this ever dropping before Velious
Not used in any Kunark quest or tradeskills
Lumped together in item ID with Velious meats.

Tl;Dr - All existing Meats need to be removed from game or turned into steaks so that we don't have an extremely unclassic flood of 500 Othmir Prexus Totems on launch.

[Greengrocer]

swap all Sea Dragon Meats for Steaks.

This guy gets it.

http://i.imgur.com/05JSOpx.jpg

[Ciroco]

Terrorantula silks were not retroactively removed; I don't see any reason why sea dragon meat would be.

[nilbog]

Sea Dragon Meat
Wurm Meat
Wyvern Meat
Terrorantula Silk

What else?

[Littlegyno 13.0]

o god don't take my sea dragon meatz

[wycca]

That's it as far as I can tell with some quick checks Nilbog.

I do think Sea Dragon Meat is mostly sitting in guild banks, as I've never seen it for sale. I have, however, seen people buying terrorantula silks (including one guy last night). Just FYI.

[Daldaen]

Sea Dragon Meat
Wurm Meat
Wyvern Meat
Terrorantula Silk

What else?

I cannot speak to the Terrorantula Silk.

However those 3 meats listed, are ONLY used in Velious recipes or quests. There is no mention of any of them being dropped by any Kunark mobs before Velious. And they are all together in the item DB.

So those 3 should not exist until Velious. I would suggest the removal of all of these meats from the game if possible. Having 200+ Othmir Prexus Totems created immediately upon Velious launch would be way too unclassic and devalue the item far too much.

[nilbog]

For uncraftable items which shouldn't yet be available.. like these meats, or silks, etc... I am considering replacing them with a general nonspecific item which is no rent/no trade.

With this change, I would also limit the drops to an era-appropriate time so no more could obtained until then.

In the past for items such as blue diamond jewelry, I created an alternate item which will become that item again when the time arrives. I believe that was fair because the needed components were always available. For component drops such as meat and silk, I think they should be eradicated.

If anyone knows of any more, I will be revisiting this thread, and compiling a list for changes.

I have, however, seen people buying terrorantula silks (including one guy last night). Just FYI.

Unfortunately I can't prohibit people from buying or selling out of era items. Hopefully they aren't too upset if/when they disappear or are modified.

[Vega]

Preface: I currently don't own or have access to any of the items being discussed to be removed. I just want to put in my 2 cents.

Wu's armor, and Blue Diamonds were functional items.

Sea Dragon Meat currently is just a stack of items. It has no functional purpose in game right now. You can't equip it or wield it. You can't consume it. You can't combine it. No one in their right mind is selling or buying this item right now either.


I'm confused as why this argument is valid. The items were dropping by mistake, and that will be rectified going forward. Functional vs non-functional is more about if you are somehow trying to balance gameplay. Let's be honest, there is a long list of reasons things aren't balanced the way they were in classic. There are huge advantages across the board which have been gained by non-classic mechanisms or items being in game when they shouldn't have been. My impression was, previously, that these were just taken as the growing pains of testing as we play, and any gains people made from these were what they were. In fact I remember specifically some people stockpiling enchanted metals before the cultural nerf went in, and those items were left the way they were. It seems odd to decide the opposite for this nerf.

[Scrubosaur]

I agree with Vega. Considering the length of time that these meats have been in game and used the fact that they have been used as a commodity. It would make more sense to remove them from loot tables starting now than punish those that spent time, money and effort to buy an item that (as far as anyone could tell until this time) was a perfectly legit drop. From what I understand blue diamond gear and cultural armor was stockpiled before any type of removal from the server and these items were not retroactively removed from inventories.

[Daldaen]

Making something easier than it should be (like pre-enchanting ore), is not equivalent to having access to a best-tradeable range item x 300 the second Velious goes live. Cultural armor was classic and did exist to some extent in this era.

No one should have access to that totem until they kill Kelorek Dar or Faydedar AFTER Velious.

Allowing 300 of them to stay on the server and immediately get transformed into Totems when Velious launches would be dumb. Dunno why you think it would be fine to allow a great Velious item to be manufactured hugely the day Velious releases due to a bug.

[Vega]

Allowing 300 of them to stay on the server and immediately get transformed into Totems when Velious launches would be dumb. Dunno why you think it would be fine to allow a great Velious item to be manufactured hugely the day Velious releases due to a bug.

I'm definitely not arguing for that. I am arguing that precedence has already been set, and for consistency.

[Daldaen]

I'm definitely not arguing for that. I am arguing that precedence has already been set, and for consistency.

Where? I can't think of a situation where there was a useless tradeskill or quest item that dropped out of era, which was pointed out while it was still out of era, that they didn't remove the existing as well as future drops until its properly in the timeline.

Regardless though. I think there is sufficient lack of evidence, purpose and item ID correlation, to support that these indeed did not drop until Velious. I also think that it is more detrimental to the server to allow these to stay in and have 300 of them created immediately upon Velious launch.... rather than maybe going against some precedence (which I still don't see) and removing them.

[brecon]

Consistency be damned. Burn them all. Even if they dropped pre-velious, people would have trashed them and regretted it later. This was people using future knowledge to try and game the experience.

[Pint]

you def remove all of these items, if you dont want to go as far as removing them then you should at least consider nerfing all of the stacked items to singles since that has been done in the past for out of era items.

[EQsale]

Sea Dragon Meat currently is just a stack of items. It has no functional purpose in game right now. You can't equip it or wield it. You can't consume it. You can't combine it. No one in their right mind is selling or buying this item right now either.

We shouldn't launch Velious, Day 1, and have 300 Othmir Prexus Totems. That is dumb.

I aggree with this 100%

[Portasaurus]

As was brilliantly suggested earlier, they should all be turned into steaks (and transferred to the Nomsanto guild bank, what what?)

What a delicious solution!

[Greengrocer]

/me places his right hand on the Tome of Order and Discord

"I vow to cook every last SDM on the server if I woke up one day and they were all, you know, magically sitting in my bank by some crazy act of divine intervention by Rogean Jesus or Nilbog Jesus."

*cough*

http://i.imgur.com/qEZ4TpB.jpg

[Daldaen]

Yea let's make them all Sea Dragon Steaks and then Game of Meats will begin, with Greengrocer sitting on a Meat Throne, made of the conquerored people's Meats.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1811362&postcount=29

check out ele shitting on removing an item based on item ID. it's simply not consistent and doesn't qualify as a reputable source.

[Wrench]

you forgot the most important rule of classicquest

required evidence for classic benefit >> required evidence for classic nerf

[Ele]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1811362&postcount=29

check out ele shitting on removing an item based on item ID. it's simply not consistent and doesn't qualify as a reputable source.

Actually, the discussion there is whether to ADD Fist of Nature. The evidence, found so far, doesn't support adding it to Tunare's loot table.


The same argument weighs towards the deletion of MEAT here. We're talking about a huge block of zone specific and expansion specific items with one exception. No other references being available to demonstrate that the MEAT was in game pre-Velious.


22799,"Kobold Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22799
(Velious Meats)
22800,"Frost Giant Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22800
22801,"Storm Giant Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22801
22802,"Coldain Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22802
(Some Cobalt Scar drops/quest items, including various MEATs)
22803,"Siren Parts",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22803
22806,"Otterman Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22806
22807,"Dragon Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22807
22808,"Wyvern Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22808
22809,"Wurm Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22809
22810,"Walrus Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22810
22811,"Drake Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22811
22812,"Water Dragon Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22812
22813,"Sea Dragon Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22813
22814,"Sea Dragon Scales",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22814
22815,"Section of Lodizal's Shell",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22815
22816,"Lodizal Shell Shield",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22816
22817,"Runed Othmir Spear",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22817
22818,"Othmir Chieftain Spear",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22818
(Kelorek'Dar Items)
22819,"Cloak of Crystalline Waters",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22819
22820,"Typhoon, Sword of the Tidalwave",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22820
22821,"Kelorek`Dar Spine Razor",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22821
22822,"Bioluminescent Orb",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22822
(Woushi Items)
22823,"Emerald Dragon Scales",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22823
22824,"Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22824
22825,"Crescent Blades of Luclin",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22825
22826,Skydarkener,http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22826
22827,"Tanglewood Shield",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22827
(Wakening Land Drops Items and MEATs)
22828,"Unicorn Horn",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22828
22829,"Unicorn Horn",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22829
22830,"Faun Flute",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22830
22831,"Faun Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22831
22832,"Sifaye Parts",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22832
22833,"Unicorn Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22833
22834,"Sentient Helm",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22834
22835,"Sentient Breastplate",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22835
22836,"Sentient Vambraces",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22836
22837,"Sentient Bracer",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22837
22838,"Entwood Mace",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22838 (Random Planes of Power item)
22839,"Sentient Gauntlets",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22839
22840,"Sentient Greaves",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22840
22841,"Sentient Plate Boots",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22841
22842,"Sifaye Dart",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22842
22843,"Holgresh Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22843
22844,"Tigeraptor Hide",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22844
22845,"Holgresh Fur",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22845
22846,"Holgresh Wing",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22846
22847,"Black Panther Skin",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22847
22848,"Haze Panther Skin",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22848
22849,"Sifaye Dust",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22849
22850,"Sifaye Wing",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22850
22851,"Panther Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22851
22852,"Raptor Meat",http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=22852

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Actually, the discussion there is whether to ADD Fist of Nature. The evidence, found so far, doesn't support adding it to Tunare's loot table.


The same argument weighs towards the deletion of MEAT here. We're talking about a huge block of zone specific and expansion specific items with one exception. No other references being available to demonstrate that the MEAT was in game pre-Velious.

listen we can hem and haw but lets just let me have my meats ok. when im alone at night in nro waiting for the velious raft, i put the sea dragon meats all over my body.

[Ele]

listen we can hem and haw but lets just let me have my meats ok. when im alone at night in nro waiting for the velious raft, i put the sea dragon meats all over my body.

Suit up?

http://i.imgur.com/NGoL45R.jpg

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Suit up?

http://i.imgur.com/NGoL45R.jpg

god thats beautiful.

[wycca]

^ That pic is beautiful.


On a more serious note, as I posted before, I could find no evidence of meat dropping pre-Velious.

Here's some of the evidence I found that seems to be an indicator it did NOT drop -

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4470&p=5#comments

Anonymous - Nov 01 2000 at 2:02 PM -

"Yes, we killed him in the Halloween event, all drops were like one I would expect from Naggy, except one. the Dragon scales are 'water dragon scales' not the 'red dragon scales' that naggy woulda' dropped. Anyone know what to do with them? or what the no drop pod of sea water was for?"

Anonymous - Nov 01 2000 at 2:47 AM -

"It was October 31, 2000 and i start hearing tells about a **** water dragon i asked what was up. This guy Faydedar pops up right out of the Lake of Ill Omen in Kunark. There were also Bloodgills(goblins red to me at 29) running around apparently he brought friends. He died with much hard work and many deaths, so many deaths that even the sky was blood red no joke. After the zone killed him the area was covered with bodies hilarious there were some clerics giving rezs but i didnt get one oh well. This guy summons as i was summoned from the lake shore and he was busy killing the guards at the entrance to Cabilis( i am Iksar Monk). Yes he was on land chasing around some caster class. When he died there were 131 people in the zone from low level teens to high level 50s. I was lucky enough to get a chance to loot this guy. Exactly the same loot as one of the dragons; Dragon Scales, Dragon bone bracelet, some high level spells, a spear of some sort, and some saltwater. It was just a blast. I hope if this was a GM event that they do this again!"

Anonymous - Aug 30 2000 at 9:57 AM -

"Killed him several times, so far his drops have been 4 or so treasure hunter's satchels, gauntlets of fiery might, prayers of life, a FA book, and something mediocre I'm forgetting I think. Seems identical itemized to nagafen, but doesn't mean he doesn't have something unique that's pretty rare off him."

Anonymous - Aug 28 2000 at 8:59 PM -

"The reason that you can't bind there anymore is because that you used to be able to bind there but they changed it. I bound there be4 they changed it. He always despawns after a hour. He has been killed on a server. I saw a pic of him dead. (YAY! Take that you lil freak!) As for 50+ ppl ready to go, when It says that they are gonna repop the zone, you can get yer guild there within like 40 mins and then go after him.
Oh, and he drops the same stuff as Vox/Naggy, so if yer guild can kill him every day, not only will ppl who have been killed by him will be grateful, but everyone will have onbe of the those Vox/Naggy items. "

Rush - Aug 11 2000 at 2:16 PM -

"I believe that this fellow now drops a combination of Naggy/Vox items, including the books needed for the FA quest. This was done, of course, so that level 53+ characters who are no longer able to kill the dragons themselves will still be able to earn a Fiery Avenger of their very own."

Zakhiras - Aug 28 2000 at 9:09 AM -

"From what I have put together he does exist and his path takes him near the good side of the zone. He will spawn, travel and despawn an hour later from all accounts I have read.

His loot table is similar to the dragons (Vox, Nafagen).

I have no desire to see this beast as I am bound on the spires and have full access to the room below. I do not believe I am safe up there as I have also read he will cast at those flying over the water as well as in the water."



Sooooo, to recap -

- Not a single post above pre-Velious meants that he drops a meat. Several of the posters mention, in detail, exactly what his loot table is like. There is absolutely nobody commenting - "he drops an odd meat that nobody knows that to do with".

- No reference to the meat anywhere in wayback or google pre-Velious.

- Meat is numbered in sequence with Velious-only meats, a good indication it was designed at the same time as Velious meats and itemized with them.


Conclusion - I can't see anyway that the meat should be dropping from him pre-Velious, there should be a post about the meat, an unfinished quest, SOMETHING - there is nothing. Ergo I don't think it drops.

[Portasaurus]

when im alone at night in nro waiting for the velious raft, i put the sea dragon meats all over my body.

post of the year

i keep reading it over and over again and it makes me feel warm inside

[Daldaen]

Can't wait for P99 to be cleansed of unclassicly tainted meats.

[Erati]

Can't wait for P99 to be cleansed of unclassicly tainted meats.

just leave work already you are accomplishing nothing today

[jpetrick]

^ That pic is beautiful.


On a more serious note, as I posted before, I could find no evidence of meat dropping pre-Velious.

Here's some of the evidence I found that seems to be an indicator it did NOT drop -

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=4470&p=5#comments

Anonymous - Nov 01 2000 at 2:02 PM -

"Yes, we killed him in the Halloween event, all drops were like one I would expect from Naggy, except one. the Dragon scales are 'water dragon scales' not the 'red dragon scales' that naggy woulda' dropped. Anyone know what to do with them? or what the no drop pod of sea water was for?"

Anonymous - Nov 01 2000 at 2:47 AM -

"It was October 31, 2000 and i start hearing tells about a **** water dragon i asked what was up. This guy Faydedar pops up right out of the Lake of Ill Omen in Kunark. There were also Bloodgills(goblins red to me at 29) running around apparently he brought friends. He died with much hard work and many deaths, so many deaths that even the sky was blood red no joke. After the zone killed him the area was covered with bodies hilarious there were some clerics giving rezs but i didnt get one oh well. This guy summons as i was summoned from the lake shore and he was busy killing the guards at the entrance to Cabilis( i am Iksar Monk). Yes he was on land chasing around some caster class. When he died there were 131 people in the zone from low level teens to high level 50s. I was lucky enough to get a chance to loot this guy. Exactly the same loot as one of the dragons; Dragon Scales, Dragon bone bracelet, some high level spells, a spear of some sort, and some saltwater. It was just a blast. I hope if this was a GM event that they do this again!"

Anonymous - Aug 30 2000 at 9:57 AM -

"Killed him several times, so far his drops have been 4 or so treasure hunter's satchels, gauntlets of fiery might, prayers of life, a FA book, and something mediocre I'm forgetting I think. Seems identical itemized to nagafen, but doesn't mean he doesn't have something unique that's pretty rare off him."

Anonymous - Aug 28 2000 at 8:59 PM -

"The reason that you can't bind there anymore is because that you used to be able to bind there but they changed it. I bound there be4 they changed it. He always despawns after a hour. He has been killed on a server. I saw a pic of him dead. (YAY! Take that you lil freak!) As for 50+ ppl ready to go, when It says that they are gonna repop the zone, you can get yer guild there within like 40 mins and then go after him.
Oh, and he drops the same stuff as Vox/Naggy, so if yer guild can kill him every day, not only will ppl who have been killed by him will be grateful, but everyone will have onbe of the those Vox/Naggy items. "

Rush - Aug 11 2000 at 2:16 PM -

"I believe that this fellow now drops a combination of Naggy/Vox items, including the books needed for the FA quest. This was done, of course, so that level 53+ characters who are no longer able to kill the dragons themselves will still be able to earn a Fiery Avenger of their very own."

Zakhiras - Aug 28 2000 at 9:09 AM -

"From what I have put together he does exist and his path takes him near the good side of the zone. He will spawn, travel and despawn an hour later from all accounts I have read.

His loot table is similar to the dragons (Vox, Nafagen).

I have no desire to see this beast as I am bound on the spires and have full access to the room below. I do not believe I am safe up there as I have also read he will cast at those flying over the water as well as in the water."



Sooooo, to recap -

- Not a single post above pre-Velious meants that he drops a meat. Several of the posters mention, in detail, exactly what his loot table is like. There is absolutely nobody commenting - "he drops an odd meat that nobody knows that to do with".

- No reference to the meat anywhere in wayback or google pre-Velious.

- Meat is numbered in sequence with Velious-only meats, a good indication it was designed at the same time as Velious meats and itemized with them.


Conclusion - I can't see anyway that the meat should be dropping from him pre-Velious, there should be a post about the meat, an unfinished quest, SOMETHING - there is nothing. Ergo I don't think it drops.

He probably doesn't drop the meat pre velious but these alla comments are just awful and I wouldn't trust any of them for remotely accurate information.

[Daldaen]

Bump. Please don't forget this one before Velious Nilbog!

[Daldaen]

Bump just making sure this doesn't get lost in the mix going into Velious. Need those tainted meats recalled. Or put in an oven to be made into sea dragon steaks

[Daldaen]

Bumping so this isn't forgotten.

[Portasaurus]

http://i.imgur.com/05JSOpx.jpg

[Daldaen]

Bumping as we are less than a month from Velious. Just to make sure we get these removed before it goes live.

Seeing 200 Othmir Prexus Totems on day 1 would be lame.

[Portasaurus]

http://i.stack.imgur.com/awmo4.gif

http://i.imgur.com/8IOexSw.gif

[nilbog]

Pending update:

-Existing Sea Dragon Meat will be transformed into a 'Removal Pending' item which is no drop and no rent
-npcs that drop Sea Dragon Meat will not do so again until Velious
-Wyvern Meat will not drop again until Velious
-Wurm Meat will not drop again until Velious

[Daldaen]

Pending update:

-Existing Sea Dragon Meat will be transformed into a 'Removal Pending' item which is no drop and no rent
-npcs that drop Sea Dragon Meat will not do so again until Velious
-Wyvern Meat will not drop again until Velious
-Wurm Meat will not drop again until Velious

Yes! Thanks Nilbog. Very glad we won't go into Velious with a ton of unclassic meats.

[Sylexis]

I hate you today Daldaen.

I will probably forget tomorrow, but just for the day, total hate.

[Daldaen]

I hate you today Daldaen.

I will probably forget tomorrow, but just for the day, total hate.

When you get your Othmir Prexus Totem, you'll know it was obtained legitimately. Not from some tainted/unclassic path, and that will taste much better.

[Greengrocer]

http://i.imgur.com/X75gbNo.jpg

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Daldaen]

LOOK AT HOW UNTASTY THAT MEAT IS!

[nilbog]

http://cdn.recipes100.com/v/5ba1628cdf9ce0cd536f0d45f5eb6c18.jpg ish

[Greengrocer]

http://i.imgur.com/dmEpVBy.jpg

^^^^ Daldaen

[Daldaen]

Daldaen Protector of the Meat

[Ele]

savor the flavor

[TanDemain]

Ah man.. here I thought I was fucking smart. I had no idea the meat didn't exist prior to Velious (why should I question it when it dropped from Fay) on live. Waste of some DKP and staring at the waters for tons of hours thinking this was all legit.

*throws my fucking collapsable fishing pole into the Ocean of Tears to mingle with my sweet sweet salty eye-discharge*

Fuck you all for your due-diligence. ;p