People here for classic experience...?

[Bodybagger]

If you came to p1999 looking for a classic experience, are you playing blue or red? Curious because I can't even enjoy blue now that I went to red, not because I wanted to be red exactly, pvp is rough in EQ, but the fact of the matter is it is infinitely more classic than blue where the world has grown stagnant in a 3yr old kunark economy with a top heavy population.

Anyone care to share thoughts or expand?

I came for classic and stayed for red. I spent a few days ECQuesting blue and could twink heavily any character I want. Pixel heavy on blue but not classic to me at all... and all of the excess twinking discourages grouping and leveing. Everyone seems to only PL or twink to hell and solo mostly or duo with a friend. Red actually has me finding and making more friends in level range as I level, and having a genuine experience with people from rags to riches, thanks to XP mod for group bonus. I was very surprised to have an easier time getting grinding partners on red where they have the option to kill me instead of group with me, but 90% or more are down to party up and clean house.

Who here has experience with both and can share? Not meant to bash blue at all, it's a very fun experience, but blue reminds me of luclin era EQ'ing, sans bazaar, beastlords, and vah'shir/content. Economy and play wise, it feels more luclin-ey to me, while red feels pure classic.

Thanks to developers for great options both ways though, really cool to have my blue twinks and easy money and gear, and red earned and enjoyed classic experience!

[kaev]

Suggestion: Take this thread and 10 pounds of sand and shove it where the sun don't shine, er, move it to the red forum for some kneejerk +1'ing. Also, deceptive title for 9857th tiresome "come to red" thread is bad and you should feel bad about yourself for having posted it.

[Darkwinter]

If you came to p1999 looking for a classic experience, are you playing blue or red? Curious because I can't even enjoy blue now that I went to red, not because I wanted to be red exactly, pvp is rough in EQ, but the fact of the matter is it is infinitely more classic than blue where the world has grown stagnant in a 3yr old kunark economy with a top heavy population.

Anyone care to share thoughts or expand?

I came for classic and stayed for red. I spent a few days ECQuesting blue and could twink heavily any character I want. Pixel heavy on blue but not classic to me at all... and all of the excess twinking discourages grouping and leveing. Everyone seems to only PL or twink to hell and solo mostly or duo with a friend. Red actually has me finding and making more friends in level range as I level, and having a genuine experience with people from rags to riches, thanks to XP mod for group bonus. I was very surprised to have an easier time getting grinding partners on red where they have the option to kill me instead of group with me, but 90% or more are down to party up and clean house.

Who here has experience with both and can share? Not meant to bash blue at all, it's a very fun experience, but blue reminds me of luclin era EQ'ing, sans bazaar, beastlords, and vah'shir/content. Economy and play wise, it feels more luclin-ey to me, while red feels pure classic.

Thanks to developers for great options both ways though, really cool to have my blue twinks and easy money and gear, and red earned and enjoyed classic experience!

Blue feels like Kunark to me. Don't really care about economy at my level.

[Swish]

Agree with most of that it has to be said. I still play both. I hate EC, chardok AOE, people locking down a camp in CoM solo/duo while everyone else has run out of mobs and is competing and getting mad trying to steal from others.

I leveled a wizard on red in starter robe til 35ish, and then an oracle robe to 51 with very little else... empty slots everywhere etc. Not saying that in itself is "classic" but the level of twinking on blue has trivialized the content for wherever you end up grouping.

The people who whine about the red XP rate probably have had a character PL'ed or Chardok AOE'd on blue, so I never see the argument there...and red pals need to stick together anyway and the XP bonus helps people interact :)

Red isn't a terrible place, but funny isn't it how often people say "gear me and I'll play there"? :p

Get back to the roots of EQ, leveling with a rusty weapon or your starter robe. Just consider it when you're bored or thinking of making your 4th-10th blue alt. It's a new challenge :)

[Swish]

Suggestion: Take this thread and 10 pounds of sand and shove it where the sun don't shine, er, move it to the red forum for some kneejerk +1'ing. Also, deceptive title for 9857th tiresome "come to red" thread is bad and you should feel bad about yourself for having posted it.

Proof that the blue pop isn't all nice and friendly. Nice ad for BDA right there ^^

[Bodybagger]

Suggestion: Take this thread and 10 pounds of sand and shove it where the sun don't shine, er, move it to the red forum for some kneejerk +1'ing. Also, deceptive title for 9857th tiresome "come to red" thread is bad and you should feel bad about yourself for having posted it.

Buddy, I'm a newb who returned to EQ 10 months ago after discovering live is F2P, loading it, being disgusted, but being told of p99, and promptly joining in... got burned out on blue in a month or so, the one guy I played with said lets jump to red, they enrfed our buffed XP gain like day 2 we were there, he quit... and I got busy in life and walked away for a while, came back, and realized how much more red suits my desire for classic experience.


I am sorry if you don't agree, but this feedback was for BOTH servers regarding classic experience. Your experience on either server may vary, as may your classic experience.

Luckily, dealing with pricks is totally classic so my feathers aren't ruffled at all by your completely useless and rude post. All part of the experience.

Happy hunting to all!

[Grizzled]

you will never have a classic experience. Part of EQ's fun was exploration. People who spent years playing know( or know how to look up) right where everything is and how to solo it or what not.

Mental maps are still engrained in people, so travel is easier than when you were exploring the world.

The fun you remember is not knowing anything. You cannot get that back.

the closest p99 staff could get to this is making their own quests, and not using sony's. With this they could make every zone relevant, by forcing travel and scattering quest pieces everywhere.

But thats not classic.

[Bodybagger]

I disagree, within a month or two of playing and exploring if that's your intent, you know most of it anyways, most peoples' classic experience to me is not joining and playing p99 from LAUNCH DAY on.... so if you join in 6+ months or a year out, or say around kunark launch, Kunark classic is more my idea of what myself and most others experienced truly. How many people played end game content prekunark at launch would you imagine? 5% or less of the population? I just can't imagine it being much more than that. So for 95% of players, their classic experience probably mirrors mine.

Also being much older, most of us play a lot better now and don't do as much stupid stuff. Some of it is info gained, but a lot if not most is info available through the in game social network in classic as well. Just now instead of asking a question and getting 10 dick responses to 1 useful one, you can p99wiki or google something and avoid the rude people lol

[maahes]

Blue? Red? It's all just a bunch of old dorks playing NerdQuest. Sad we can't all just get along. LOL.

Pew Pew!!!

[jolanar]

I'm confused, all the bad things people talk about blue are exactly how "classic" really was.

Maybe you should say if you want an easier/better experience go to red?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Suggestion: Take this thread and 10 pounds of sand and shove it where the sun don't shine, er, move it to the red forum for some kneejerk +1'ing. Also, deceptive title for 9857th tiresome "come to red" thread is bad and you should feel bad about yourself for having posted it.

Loves me some Kaev.

I laughed when I envisioned him reading.

"Oh good, interestin... W.... C'mon! This is Fuckin Bullshit!! HOLY FUCK!! THESE FUCKING GUYS

[Arturo Fuente]

Loves me some Kaev.

I laughed when I envisioned him reading.

"Oh good, interestin... W.... C'mon! This is Fuckin Bullshit!! HOLY FUCK!! THESE FUCKING GUYS

HAHA!

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

P99 blue is more mechanically classic. There are a lot of game breaking classic mechanics for pvp that really had to be removed or else it would be item quest

P99 red encourages more grouping etc... Which may make you feel more classic feels.
Especial if you "ground up" your way without help.

There is some interpretation to classic but the goal is to get it as mechanically classic as it can be, feels be damned.

[hammertime7795]

P99 blue is more mechanically classic. There are a lot of game breaking classic mechanics for pvp that really had to be removed or else it would be item quest

P99 red encourages more grouping etc... Which may make you feel more classic feels.
Especial if you "ground up" your way without help.

There is some interpretation to classic but the goal is to get it as mechanically classic as it can be, feels be damned.

Since eq did not even release with red servers I would say that blue is definitely more classic.

[kaev]

Loves me some Kaev.

I laughed when I envisioned him reading.

"Oh good, interestin... W.... C'mon! This is Fuckin Bullshit!! HOLY FUCK!! THESE FUCKING GUYS

Hey Yums, still sad you left blue for the easymode server. I'm a solid 12 months past actually caring about these posts, now it's just whether I feel like poking 'em, kinda like a bored kid with a stick looking at an anthill. OP seems a bit touchy, wonder how long he'll last on red if one of the srs trolls decides he might be fun to rustle.

Come back to blue Yums, you know that over 9000x XP multiplier on Red is about as unclassic as EQ gets, you might as well be playing live. Come back man, it's almost :classic: here these days, kinda sorta.

[Bodybagger]

P99 blue is more mechanically classic. There are a lot of game breaking classic mechanics for pvp that really had to be removed or else it would be item quest

P99 red encourages more grouping etc... Which may make you feel more classic feels.
Especial if you "ground up" your way without help.

There is some interpretation to classic but the goal is to get it as mechanically classic as it can be, feels be damned.

Very smartly worded, I like it. Agree fully, save for polar opposite on wanting classic experience as in feel, not mechanics.

The mechanics of EQ weren't what was so good and differentiated it for endless years to come from all other MMO's and games... it was the feel... the style... the true desire to make comrades and advance, adventure, wreak havoc, whatever together. I never played another game with so many great options for what and where I did/went throughout gameplay. It was more or less the same in any zone with little to no difference.

EQ gives a great feel of difference between races, factions, zones, mob types, etc. and the entire world can be enjoyed by anyone who chooses to do so without negatively impacting productivity as long as you have companions to adventure with you.

[sox7d]

While the first post is pretty carcinogenic, I'd say the only reason red feels more classic to me is that I don't have the balls to delete all my 40+ characters and twinks.

Red is too barren and I hate solo classes.

Nonetheless, I don't have time to play either, I don't even know why I post.

[Whirled]

Blue? Red? It's all just a bunch of old dorks playing NerdQuest. Sad we can't all just get along. LOL.

Pew Pew!!!

This^ so just play both & you get to meet someone else playing the game too

[Lunababy]

Is this classic?
No

Is this the closest thing to classic without a time machine?
Yes

+1 for troll thread btw

[Bodybagger]

....not sure how troll thread or offending anyone if PRAS both servers and just saying I'm finding red play style feels more nostalgically classic for me....


Good job showing off how polarized you are on the subject though. Sounds like someone who has been on here a long time with one formed never changing opinion of the way things are. I'm more curious to hear form other newbs, not established players who have been around since p99 launch/several years, as this pertains more to NEW players reminiscing who have experience both.

Regardless, all of p99 is awesome and we are lucky to get to experience it at all as stated. I like being able to play both, love my blue pixels, love my red interactions and experiences.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Hey Yums, still sad you left blue for the easymode server. I'm a solid 12 months past actually caring about these posts, now it's just whether I feel like poking 'em, kinda like a bored kid with a stick looking at an anthill. OP seems a bit touchy, wonder how long he'll last on red if one of the srs trolls decides he might be fun to rustle.

Come back to blue Yums, you know that over 9000x XP multiplier on Red is about as unclassic as EQ gets, you might as well be playing live. Come back man, it's almost :classic: here these days, kinda sorta.

I'm actually not a fan of the xp bonus fwiw. I'm bringing up another character on red and personally find it too fast to really enjoy the newb zones. I do, however hate logging into blue and seeing the same no life's sitting at cash camps like it's a job. Pvp really brings another element to the game and makes it feel dangerous again and gives me reason to go visit an "occupied" camp.

I came here under the same impression others probably felt when they started here: "oh man! Classic server with less population than live!! I should be able to demolish pretty much anything and do the things I couldn't back when I was in high school. I'm probably better at this game and with only 700 people here ( at the time) I shouldn't have problems camping anything."

Problem is, 650/700 people thought the same thing. A very handsome portion of those forego entertainment, social lives, bathing or eating just to get a slice of the pie. Fucking EATING. I mean, really??? That's the blue server. It's attracted the longest beards of every server to one place. The end game is non stop bitching and lawyering. Everyone winds up there with nothing to do but endlessly farm tranix crowns, fingerboner hoops or TS ad nauseum for gear that will be obsolete day 4 of Velious dropping.

I feel like my gear conquest on red assists me in locking down a kill or resisting a spell to get away. Something to strive for in a game who's claim to fame is that it never ends

/rant off

[mickey182]

I do think there's a difference in economies, twinking/gearing, and high end (ie raid). Otherwise I think it's essentially classic.

Here's the core of it: if you played red originally, then red 99 is pretty classic. If you played blue originally, then red 99 in NO way resembles classic (because there wasn't much pvp on blue).

As for a solution: continue pushing through velious, until all (or most) of the fixes and changes are in place. Then restart server (with wipe) and either run it progression or 'as is' with full content through velious. Either way the removal of the top heavy, exploit leveled, and gear surplus will result in a return to purely classic.

Stepping back from that a bit you can voluntarily choose not to twink. I almost never twinked on live, which is what made me love the game. Likewise I don't twink here, and find it just as fun.

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

[Bodybagger]

I do think there's a difference in economies, twinking/gearing, and high end (ie raid). Otherwise I think it's essentially classic.

Here's the core of it: if you played red originally, then red 99 is pretty classic. If you played blue originally, then red 99 in NO way resembles classic (because there wasn't much pvp on blue).

As for a solution: continue pushing through velious, until all (or most) of the fixes and changes are in place. Then restart server (with wipe) and either run it progression or 'as is' with full content through velious. Either way the removal of the top heavy, exploit leveled, and gear surplus will result in a return to purely classic.

Stepping back from that a bit you can voluntarily choose not to twink. I almost never twinked on live, which is what made me love the game. Likewise I don't twink here, and find it just as fun.

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.

the wealthy economy raping perma-campers and twinkers are the same ones who would box to hell and back....

it's like tax laws... tax laws are not complicated because of poor people.

we don't ened complex rules for all of the regular folk enjoying EQ, it's all the poopsocking neckbeards that really obliterate the server into a joke imo. They strive to be the top 1% in a game just like the greedy top 1% in real life who want everyone else to suffer for their absurd prosperity and wealth to amass beyond any useable amount

...and they'd love to be able to box a full group and never need anyone else for anything



edit: and yes the red xp is a bit absurdly fast I suppose but at least people group up and play together, it served the intended purpose and isn't out of hand if you don't twink (or have ability to)

[Swish]

Yumyums has nailed this thread <3

http://i.imgur.com/S1p4XsF.gif

[Juntsie]

Juntsie tink dat classic experience can be had on server but must go looking and get lucky. Classic not found anywhere near high-end raid community or farming. Server has evolved into bastardized strange game that not function anyting like classic. Da Chardok proxy AE monopology so unclassic that it make Juntsie want to vomit. Extent of high-end items in economy not classic. It practically pixel casino. Extent of mass camping unclassic. Batphone-mechanic raids where no one fight to mob and fight take 15 seconds not classic.

Classic experience to be had with humble lowbies bashing tings for fun. Small and gud groups. Dat classic.

Juntsie tink after Velious released, GM open new, clean progression server wit firm raid rotation policy. WIPE IT CLEAN 2015!

[Daldaen]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

[Bodybagger]

Don't get me wrong, given the option, I would take a fresh rolled blue server fully classic right now ove rred.... but between red and blue CURRENTLY.... no way in hell am I playing blue and getting nearly the same experience as live kunark era EQ honestly... yes red has quirks and massive mechanic changes but the FEEL and play style seems more classic, and that's what I find so intriguing is that vast difference, as a p99 newb, comparing both to a classic experience form someone who came around late kunark/early velious anyways

I also feel like people who have been endgame p99 blue for over a year have no grasp on the trickle down economics and effect the current blue setup has on low end/new player base experience. It isn't at all classic, it's very much like Luclin era... blackburrow/crushbone feel more like PC than CB/BB. Paludal caverns at least still had some non twink groups and stuff, to offset the few ungodly twinks soloing entire camps full clear and trying to take over others...

just my $0.02

I think both a very fun experiences, and very different, and am myself surprised that red PLAYS more classically to me, in spite of knowing mechanic differences between them. Being kunark for 3 years has made blue an odd place for a newbie...

[Daldaen]

Odd isn't exactly bad.

There are more twinks for sure, symptomatic of what you describe. There are however, more non-twinks than twinks in most of those zones you mention. Unrest is full of guys in leather cloth and Ringmail. Sure each group may have a guy with lambent or crafted armor. And you may occasionally happen across an epic'd rogue or a fungi wearing monk. But I doubt this is any different from red. Red dudes still roll Alts. They don't just hit 60 then PvP all the time.

[mickey182]

the wealthy economy raping perma-campers and twinkers are the same ones who would box to hell and back....

it's like tax laws... tax laws are not complicated because of poor people.

we don't ened complex rules for all of the regular folk enjoying EQ, it's all the poopsocking neckbeards that really obliterate the server into a joke imo. They strive to be the top 1% in a game just like the greedy top 1% in real life who want everyone else to suffer for their absurd prosperity and wealth to amass beyond any useable amount

...and they'd love to be able to box a full group and never need anyone else for anything

edit: and yes the red xp is a bit absurdly fast I suppose but at least people group up and play together, it served the intended purpose and isn't out of hand if you don't twink (or have ability to)

Well, this is similar to the difference between supply side and demand side economics. Since I personally operate demand side I naturally see demand-side remedies that would slowly lower the power of suppliers by comparison. You fear supply-side control (which isn't an invalid fear at all), and so would regulate the consumer to control the supplier. Just a preferential difference looking to achieve the same end.

[Fame]

Came for classic, found it on both servers. My first few weeks on blue were great. Loved it there. Spent the rest of my time here on red, love it there too.

If we're talking about the classic experience, I imagine that comes in a rather wide spectrum. For me, a lot of the "classic" is rooted in fear. Fear. I can remember being scared to explore back in the day because of the great unknown. I remember being afraid of an over pull and a wipe, forcing you to consider any action you made. I remember fearing any action that might have a negative impact on the way the community views me.

I have not been able to find any of that on blue, but, from day one on red, a healthy fear is all I have known. In all they ways I have mentioned above, fundamentally speaking.

That is why I continue to log onto the red server and completely ignore my characters on blue. They are hollow to me, no substance, no risk, no reward.

**Disclaimer** Red is not a server for everyone and if you do go play there, expect to view this game and all others differently from then on... I used to be a player friendly enchanter named Creem Filling and not in reference to a creampie. Now, people call me a troll. It is what it is. **Disclaimer**

[sox7d]

What we need is a new game in the spirit of classic. There's gotta be ~40 devs across the P99 pop that would work on it, c'mon guys!

[Glenzig]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/8b9db2171c975ed78fbcd4d5901a3e33/tumblr_n1qijwEiHK1qaqmkyo1_400.gif

[Vexenu]

Something that I think is lost on a lot of people is that at this point, both Blue and Red are PvP servers. The only difference is that on Red you engage in PvP directly by fighting with others players, while on Blue you engage in PvP by poopsocking and rule lawyering. On both servers you are in competition with others players for valuable spawns. The only difference is the form that competition takes.

And the OP is correct in his assessment that Blue is laughably unclassic at this point. The server is overflowing with cheap Kunark gear that makes leveling trivial, powerleveling is rampant, Chardok AoE is a ridiculous 24/7 operation, the high-end game is absolutely overflowing with level 60s, most people choose to solo or form min-maxed duos and trios rather than group, almost every decent drop will be farmed by some neckbeard of other 24/7, and I could go on and on.

That is not to say that Red is entirely without its own issues, of course. But overall the experience on Red does indeed feel more classic at this point. The game feels challenging again. I honestly don't understand how anyone who gave Red a fair shake and got themselves up to a decent level (and it's entirely realistic to be level 50 within a month of casual play) would want to go back to Blue. If you don't believe me, try it, even if it means walking away from your characters and gear. Personally I have a 60, a 54 and a 50 on Blue, along with a smattering of 30ish twinks just sitting collecting dust. I'm having more fun on Red with a much more ghetto geared character, and my experience is hardly unique.

I'd love to see an established Blue guild roll on Red en masse. I guarantee the majority of their players would have a lot more fun leveling new toons together from scratch on Red than they are currently playing (more like enduring) the high end game on Blue.

[Buellen]

Classic eq to me:

non raiding 1 to 46. Grind in x zone. zone modifiers are found out people slowly gravitate to the best xp zones.

NOTHING says you have to RUSH to the end (what ever that is to you). I see this on p1999 and on live all the time. rush to reach level x rush to reach x amount of gear.

A) IF your a raider mentality then go for it rush to the end maximize your xp per min to the N degree and be merciless to anything that slows you down.

B) IF you don't want to raid and just enjoy the expierence then don't worry about how xp your getting , make non traditional groups out of what ever you want. run to zone no one visits and and even you die enjoy the adventure.

THE SAD THING IS on p1999 you will run into more group A people wheather they admit it or not than you will ever run into group B people.

PS

I was one of those group A people until recently would never group with people that seemed slow to me or slowed my Experience rate. funny thing is I would never raid on p1999 , not because of how the raid scene here is but because i did enough of that on live and eqmac. I did more than a few twinks with various levels of gear. I soloed, duos, treo and grouped. I had some fun.

Lately though i decide to try something different I rolled a new toon a pally and only have been use gear from original game. I have bee having a blast. got so excited to find some bronze greaves on a merchant and spent some of my bandit earning to afford them 22p is most of my first 2hrs of kiling bandits.

[captnamazing]

[QUOTE=Buellen;1716458 rush to reach level x rush to reach x amount of gear.[/QUOTE]

This is a FANTASTIC way to burn out and turn into a slimy neckbeard. i am glad to report i leveled slowly, in a huge variety of zones and with different groups. It really was a boon to reliving that "classic" experience :)

[kaev]

This is a FANTASTIC way to burn out and turn into a slimy neckbeard. i am glad to report i leveled slowly, in a huge variety of zones and with different groups. It really was a boon to reliving that "classic" experience :)

Alts and tradeskilling, a couple of months-long breaks when I got fed up with one thing or another... 3 years and 3 months since I rolled Kaev, my first char and my main, and just made 58 this month. P99's been a lot of fun and (I expect) will continue to be a lot of fun.

But MMO PvP in general and EQ PvP in particular hold zero attraction to me. If I wanted to demonstrate once again how terrible I am at MMO PvP I'd reactivate an EVE Online account and go do it in a game designed from the ground up for PvP. The endless "play red" spam is a constant low-level annoyance, a waste of bandwidth and a waste of time. Spam is spam even if the GMs love you, it contributes nothing positive to the environment.

[Toodles]

Not to poke the bear, but frankly there's an argument for loosening the no-box rule as well...part of what twinking is about is a need to be superman (via gear) to play solo. Let people be their own group and you alleviate the need for gear (somewhat), and weaken the hold of the economy. Just saying.


Absolutely correct, however it doesn't matter how many which ways we find dual boxing to be beneficial, they won't hear of it. It's just another thing they've long decided on not allowing and damned be any logic that we feeble plebs put their way.

Alts and tradeskilling, a couple of months-long breaks when I got fed up with one thing or another... 3 years and 3 months since I rolled Kaev, my first char and my main, and just made 58 this month. P99's been a lot of fun and (I expect) will continue to be a lot of fun.

But MMO PvP in general and EQ PvP in particular hold zero attraction to me. If I wanted to demonstrate once again how terrible I am at MMO PvP I'd reactivate an EVE Online account and go do it in a game designed from the ground up for PvP. The endless "play red" spam is a constant low-level annoyance, a waste of bandwidth and a waste of time. Spam is spam even if the GMs love you, it contributes nothing positive to the environment.

Firstly, if you don't like it, don't comment. As cliche as that is, it couldn't be any more true in this instance.
Also, if you really like Project 1999 and are supportive, then having people play red (as opposed to nothing at all related to P99) should be encouraged - regardless of which version you prefer.
Lastly, you complain about red posts lacking any thing positive, yet a large portion of people whom now play on red, do because they were convinced by others through these forums in these very same 'trolling' threads that you call them.

The only thing with 'nothing to positive to the environment' is your unnecessary insistence on sharing your opinion about something you aren't interested in.
Trolling a troll (if that's how you see it), isn't beneficial to any one.

[Iumuno]

No item recharge
No classic group exp
Global OOC
No Item Loot
Yellow Text

No thanks. If I get a camp, I want to be able to stay there a few hours and camp it without douchebaggery of someone vastly overgeared or vastly outnumbering me to steal the camp or spawn.

On blue, I don't need to worry about that. I just have to worry about neckbeard's who never leave. And even those who stay for a whole month at a camp leave eventually. I'm not trying to rush to the end of EverQuest to win, I don't think any of us are. So coming back tomorrow or next week or maybe even next month to camp something isn't the end of the world.

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.

[Glenzig]

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.

Its ok. I say keep the pixel addicts on blue. They can wait in line and argue over lists of names and use auction tracker tools to try to get their 12th alt geared. I'd rather play on a server of around 300-600 people who actually want to play EQ.

[Daldaen]

Neckbeards on blue will be in your way far more often than pks on red, it's not even close. And unlike red, you can't do anything about them.

Simply because no one wants to associate with the majority of the player base on red, leading to extremely low population.

Are they in my way far more often? Eh, I don't think so. But if I find something camped I leave and find something else to do in less than a minute. Maybe I'll shoot them a tell asking them how long they intend to stay.

I don't want to do anything to them though, that seems to be the thing people don't get. I'd like the camp, yes. Do I want to force them out of the camp so that I can have it, not unless they've been there for a month straight. Even then, I've never petitioned or kill stole because of that. I just think it's dumb. That's happened about twice on this server since Kunark. TMO's shitsocking Droga for them lockets (I didn't want one, just thought it was dumb), and Blitzkragg's Tranixing (wanted a crown, but again just thought sitting there for a month straight was dumb).

I'd imagine most are similar to myself on blue. They have no interest in shitting on someone else's day to steal a camp. Which it sounds like is one of the things you think is an attractive selling point for to join red. It's not. It's just a way to allow neckbeard's to grief normal players who are trying to play the game their own way. It would be useful in the extremely rare cases I listed above, but is it worth not being able to AFK meditate, not being able to camp stuff and not worry about being ganked, or not having to behave like human beings who are nice to one another. Not in a long shot.

The whole mentality that you should be able to force someone out who is taking their fair turn in a camp that they got to before you, is the same mentality that leads toddlers to have temper tantrums when they have to wait for something. Grow up and figure out something else to do if something is camped. That's part of a static world game. You want to have everything to yourself there are instanced games you can play.

[Bodybagger]

....so anyways, are there any other new players who came for a classic experience and sampled both and are enjoying playing on one server more than the other and have stories to share? Since the grown men on this forum cry like little bitch girls making it a pissing contest when that is not at all what this thread was intended for?


Seriously. You People just don't get it at all. The thread... the difference in playing on the two servers... any of it. You just go "THIS IS MY SERVER. THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE"

Shut the fuck up already bashing one anothers servers. The thread was intended to discuss the MERRITS of each and the vast differences in playstyles, and satiate my piqued interest in whether other NEW PLAYERS had tried each by any chance and found a similar experience.

If you have multiple level 60's on either server and don't regularly play lvl 1-30 game play in the past 6 months, this thread HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU MOST LIKELY.

Just to clarify. Go swing your mighty epeens in some other thread. This wasn't a recruitment letter, I'm not a troll, I'm not here to battle red vs. blue like some old school pokemon shit or halo... I was just asking to hear about other NEW players experience with the gameplay and environments and economies of each server.

Get your close minded server warfare out of my thread please. I don't think any of my posts have been anything but constructive for the most part, and I play on both, I just find my enjoyment being at opposite ends of the spectrum almost for each server.

[feanan]

Not sure how a super low population server with tons of non classic crap (hello 300% exp gain) makes you feel "more classic"

However, if you want a fast path to 60, free gear, easy camps, and no competition...red is for you!

[wwoneo]

....so anyways, are there any other new players who came for a classic experience and sampled both and are enjoying playing on one server more than the other and have stories to share? Since the grown men on this forum cry like little bitch girls making it a pissing contest when that is not at all what this thread was intended for?


Seriously. You People just don't get it at all. The thread... the difference in playing on the two servers... any of it. You just go "THIS IS MY SERVER. THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE"

Shut the fuck up already bashing one anothers servers. The thread was intended to discuss the MERRITS of each and the vast differences in playstyles, and satiate my piqued interest in whether other NEW PLAYERS had tried each by any chance and found a similar experience.

If you have multiple level 60's on either server and don't regularly play lvl 1-30 game play in the past 6 months, this thread HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU MOST LIKELY.

Just to clarify. Go swing your mighty epeens in some other thread. This wasn't a recruitment letter, I'm not a troll, I'm not here to battle red vs. blue like some old school pokemon shit or halo... I was just asking to hear about other NEW players experience with the gameplay and environments and economies of each server.

Get your close minded server warfare out of my thread please. I don't think any of my posts have been anything but constructive for the most part, and I play on both, I just find my enjoyment being at opposite ends of the spectrum almost for each server.

If you came to p1999 looking for a classic experience, are you playing blue or red? Curious because I can't even enjoy blue now that I went to red...

Anyone care to share thoughts or expand?

OP asks for opinions on which server is better. Then, asks for thoughts and elaboration on why one server is better than another... Then rages when people debate about which server is better... Makes sense.

[Whirled]

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[Glenzig]

Not sure how a super low population server with tons of non classic crap (hello 300% exp gain) makes you feel "more classic"

However, if you want a fast path to 60, free gear, easy camps, and no competition...red is for you!

http://www.project1999.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3623389

[Iumuno]

The whole mentality that you should be able to force someone out who is taking their fair turn in a camp that they got to before you, is the same mentality that leads toddlers to have temper tantrums when they have to wait for something. Grow up and figure out something else to do if something is camped. That's part of a static world game. You want to have everything to yourself there are instanced games you can play.

Nah, even on red it's a mostly cooperative game.

I am sure you'll agree that there's a competitive aspect to this game. Like you're saying, some resources are scarce. You can either compete through lawyerquesting, or through pvp. Or you can decide not to compete.

I understand 100% that everyone is different and it's not your cup of tea. But as far as I am concerned, Lawyerquesting is about as fun as a visit to the dentist.

[Daldaen]

Nah, even on red it's a mostly cooperative game.

I am sure you'll agree that there's a competitive aspect to this game. Like you're saying, some resources are scarce. You can either compete through lawyerquesting, or through pvp. Or you can decide not to compete.

I understand 100% that everyone is different and it's not your cup of tea. But as far as I am concerned, Lawyerquesting is about as fun as a visit to the dentist.

I agree there are scarce resources and that will lead to some competition. You have those 3 options.

#1 go to on red is PKing obviously.
#1 go to on blue is not competing or asking when the camp will be vacated and doing something else until that time.

I've never petitioned a camp dispute.

PKing happens far more often than the Lawyerquest you refer to. And almost exclusively in raiding. Sometimes AC, Fungi, Crypt will bring out some young lawyers though...

[captnamazing]

battle red vs. blue like some old school pokemon shit

By all my powers, I summon Captain Swish to create a gif for this quote

[Bodybagger]

OP asks for opinions on which server is better. Then, asks for thoughts and elaboration on why one server is better than another... Then rages when people debate about which server is better... Makes sense.

asked which felt more classic to play, in terms of in game experience. Never said which is better, said both great, both have benefits, which do other new players feel more nostalgic playing and prefer if you've tried both.

Thread generally targeting NEW PLAYERS. You daft elf forum bastards made it some sick red vs. blue sound off (mostly blue server people raging because someone mentioned the red server in a server chat sub forum....) and proceeding to have your menses sync up and ragrage out all over my thread.


...if you wanna call it how it played out... in full context...


I'd still love to hear form a few more with experience on both, especially newly returning players.... if there are any others at this point...

[Velerin]

I will say Red has been a more fun experience in the low level grouping for me. On blue I usually just end up soloing because 1, its usually faster exp (groups are only better when optimized and I am no min maxer at all)) and 2, RL makes me have to bail often on groups or go afk here and there and people understandably don't like that.
The lower pop on red means you need to find where the groups are but people are happy to take you if they have room since more people = more exp. No one ever cared about my gear, what class I play etc. If I have to afk a min or 2 no one cares because they are still getting more exp with a full group. I don't know if its "more classic" but so far the low level grouping has been more fun. I think it was a great idea to implement the group exp for a low pop server where no one would want to play a group class without it. (ie. before group exp: 2 necros and a mage all soloing and 1 paly sitting LFG, after group exp: all 4 grouping and having a blast and being social)

[Bodybagger]

I will say Red has been a more fun experience in the low level grouping for me. On blue I usually just end up soloing because 1, its usually faster exp (groups are only better when optimized and I am no min maxer at all)) and 2, RL makes me have to bail often on groups or go afk here and there and people understandably don't like that.
The lower pop on red means you need to find where the groups are but people are happy to take you if they have room since more people = more exp. No one ever cared about my gear, what class I play etc. If I have to afk a min or 2 no one cares because they are still getting more exp with a full group. I don't know if its "more classic" but so far the low level grouping has been more fun. I think it was a great idea to implement the group exp for a low pop server where no one would want to play a group class without it. (ie. before group exp: 2 necros and a mage all soloing and 1 paly sitting LFG, after group exp: all 4 grouping and having a blast and being social)

I love the last bit! Perfect scenario. 2 necro and 1 mage in zone solo and a pally lfg, freaking genius! Sums it up just right. I will let anyone in range join my SK just to be social. I carried a few druids and an enchanter as duos in past few days when I was already solo dominating 15-18 spawns in uguk all broken up and just in the zone doing my thing, they join, gets fun and interesting and sometimes silly... letting druids and enchanters pretend to be wizards is fun for them for a change too, when all I need is some extra dps since I'm already clearing house

[Glenzig]

I love the last bit! Perfect scenario. 2 necro and 1 mage in zone solo and a pally lfg, freaking genius! Sums it up just right. I will let anyone in range join my SK just to be social. I carried a few druids and an enchanter as duos in past few days when I was already solo dominating 15-18 spawns in uguk all broken up and just in the zone doing my thing, they join, gets fun and interesting and sometimes silly... letting druids and enchanters pretend to be wizards is fun for them for a change too, when all I need is some extra dps since I'm already clearing house

Not classic. You should have all been soloing, even if it meant slower XP. Time for this fun little tea party to come to an end.

[Humerox]

Most here knocking red haven't played there lately. There has been a large crossover lately and red mentality is changing. I took about a year's hiatus from red and have been pleasantly surprised.

It boils down to fun. Red is picking up a more RZ mentality...one where people are actively teaming up to go after "PK" players. Ganking continues but with the surge of crossover blue it's not totally debilitating for the newer players anymore.

Guilds like Holocaust and Fresh are openly recruiting newer players, actively helping and gearing them, and they don't have the "elitist" mentality most red guilds used to have.

All zones on red are competitive, all gear is available, and as a disillusioned blue or completely new player you'll find red the only place you will see the zones and mobs you missed the first time around.

Population on red is soaring with 300+ at peak play times. I played blue when we all were amazed at 200+ pop, and the same is happening (finally) with red.

The classic question is moot for both servers.

[Halius]

Red has actually been really fun since I have joined up there. Being a casual it is actually nice to be able to join a group if even for 15-30 minutes (before my kids wake up from a nap or whatnot) and get some nice exp. People are more than happy to have you in group even for a short time because while you are there exp goes from 1% per pull to 2-3% per pull. Works out for everyone, and every class is welcome because like others have said, more people = more exp.

Yes there are griefers, mainly in the populated high ZEM zones. They can be avoided, especially if you make your own groups and to less populated zones. The high group bonus pretty much makes up for any high ZEM zones anyways so they aren't necessary.

[Bodybagger]

my classic experience involved a huge push towards grouping and being social... very very rarely in my classic days did you run into a twink monk with fungi and FBSS who said no to grouping because he was just solo grinding, or had his pocket priest parked there with him etc.

That's all I run into on blue it seems honestly... it doesn't matter though because I can trade myself into a twink god ECQuesting for a few days.... then it's a bunch of twinks contesting spawns anywhere you go instead of grouping up... silly. That's more Luclin+era mentality or WoW mentality imo. Not a fan so much.

The push towards social play on red really makes it seem like the old days... inefficient duos and group dynamics, mcguyvering shit together to break camps and dominate grinding

[mickey182]

I've always been a mostly solo player (play in the middle of the night, super focused when active but frequently on and off, etc) so for me I have few memories of positive grouping except with close friends and family. That's why my previous reply was focused on other aspects of the classic feel, and probably a big part of why I don't share the OP view.

[Bodybagger]

That's cool to know. Everyone experiences the same game in so many different ways, really part of what makes it all so awesome!

[GnashingOfTeeth]

For OP

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[bloodmuffin]

Start red, solo/duo till around 15-20. Finally get to the point where people are grouping more often. Spend a lot of time LFG, finally get one. Fungi Twink comes in, wipes group with a high level buffing/healing him, half if not everyone leaves group due to CR. Repeat process for the next couple days until into early 20's.

Solo till 30. Couple even battles, was fun trying to hold my camps from an occasional druid, got bored and tried groups again.

30-40 Finally able to put up a decent fight against certain twinks, people finally stopped leaving after a PK. Twink with pocket healer spends the next 3 or so days trying to gank our CoM group full of newbies, plugs when we get him low. Brags about making us losing XP due to dealing with him every 10 minutes. Twink remains in CoM for the next couple days being the typical PvP braggart.

40-46 Solo/Duo. Had a blast, found a great duo partner. Started getting some decent gear but found just the two of us doing everything either duo or by ourselves or with one extra.

Made it to 52 then gave all my stuff away. Was an okay experience. Found myself just going after loot and looking for groups much like I did on Blue. Didn't see my duo buddy on anymore after 50's, he was pretty grumpy about lack of items in trade or trades in general, returned to blue.

Toke/Hengrey, great adventure and struggle! Unfortunately we encountered just about every single racist piece of shit/douchebag on the server but that's red for ya. I left you a Pm for my blue toons. cheers!

[Daldaen]

That's cool to know. Everyone experiences the same game in so many different ways, really part of what makes it all so awesome!

For a lot of players on this server, you have to consider their original experience on Live.

1999 they were likely kids in middle school, high school or college, 13-20~ in 1999. Had Mountain Dew and Surge, were able to stay up or online for 12-hour grind groups. Played until the sun rose some nights in the name of nerd-dom.

Fast-forward 15 years.

These guys are now in their late 20s, early 30s. Many are married with kids, houses, yard work, mortgages, deadlines at work, have to deal with incompetent coworkers mistakes, etc. In short, they don't have time for those 12 hour grind groups or 8 hour camps. They may only get 1-2 hours at a time, or even less

The above is why so many are drawn to a solo-style gameplay. They can log on, play a character solo, get meaningful EXP, and if they have to log off at a moments notice cause their baby woke up, it isn't ruining someones group or wiping them in a tough location.

I tend to believe this is a large factor for why R99 has a low population. The Group ZEM bonus penalizes solo play, and lots of the people who are drawn to P99 don't have time for regular grind groups or don't want to put the group in a position where if they leave, the group is stuck. Also, in a PvP environment, its dangerous to go alone.

It is why you see so many posts about whats a good solo class or wheres a good solo location on these boards. Some people may be anti-social and not like grouping but. I think a large amount of it is the amount of time and how

[LulzSect]

Red gets a bad rap but the truth is we don't give a fuck what class you are. If I (CLR) need a slot filled for a group, come on down. Fuck that elitist blue min/max nerd mentality bullshit.

[Glenzig]

Found myself just going after loot and looking for groups much like I did on Blue. Didn't see my duo buddy on anymore after 50's, he was pretty grumpy about lack of items in trade or trades in general, returned to blue.

Seems like you had the right mentality. Expecting Red to be just like Blue, but with pvp.

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[Randy]

The population is top heavy on Blue. Before Kunark it was pretty spread out. But post 50 is a decent time sync to level so if you aren't a hardcore player it takes some time so a lot more people are there and the population below 50 is pretty small and spread out. Not that I play much on there but with the size of the red population, I don't see it being any better

[Glenzig]

For a lot of players on this server, you have to consider their original experience on Live.

1999 they were likely kids in middle school, high school or college, 13-20~ in 1999. Had Mountain Dew and Surge, were able to stay up or online for 12-hour grind groups. Played until the sun rose some nights in the name of nerd-dom.

Fast-forward 15 years.

These guys are now in their late 20s, early 30s. Many are married with kids, houses, yard work, mortgages, deadlines at work, have to deal with incompetent coworkers mistakes, etc. In short, they don't have time for those 12 hour grind groups or 8 hour camps. They may only get 1-2 hours at a time, or even less

The above is why so many are drawn to a solo-style gameplay. They can log on, play a character solo, get meaningful EXP, and if they have to log off at a moments notice cause their baby woke up, it isn't ruining someones group or wiping them in a tough location.

I tend to believe this is a large factor for why R99 has a low population. The Group ZEM bonus penalizes solo play, and lots of the people who are drawn to P99 don't have time for regular grind groups or don't want to put the group in a position where if they leave, the group is stuck. Also, in a PvP environment, its dangerous to go alone.

It is why you see so many posts about whats a good solo class or wheres a good solo location on these boards. Some people may be anti-social and not like grouping but. I think a large amount of it is the amount of time and how

There is a flaw in your logic.
Red has a 50% bonus for solo. The worst you'll ever do on red as a solo class is -10%. Sorry. It would be -18%. Still not bad.

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[HallyVee]

My classic experience consisted of being handed Wurmslayer at level 5ish, sometime before Luclin.
So for me refusing twinking and power leveling is pretty classic.
Although it does bother me that with a few hours of farming money I could obviate the next six tiers of weapons, due to the top heavy market, it is par for the course.

[iruinedyourday]

There is a flaw in your logic.
Red has a 50% bonus for solo. The worst you'll ever do on red as a solo class is -10%. Sorry. It would be -18%. Still not bad.

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I didnt do red becuse of everything daldaen says, except for the reason why I didnt do red.

I didnt do red becuse I dont have a lot of time, ill be damned if im going to spend that time pvping when other people want to force me to pvp... Its that simple!

but that said I wish i could elect to pvp :(

[Glenzig]

I didnt do red becuse of everything daldaen says, except for the reason why I didnt do red.

I didnt do red becuse I dont have a lot of time, ill be damned if im going to spend that time pvping when other people want to force me to pvp... Its that simple!

but that said I wish i could elect to pvp :(

"Red is so under populated that there isn't even anyone to group with."

"All the zones are empty. They only have like 50 people."

"If I tried to solo, I would be forced to pvp all the time and never get any XP."

Obviously on such an empty server there are people waiting in every zone to kill you just for daring to be there. Seriously. Its not that bad.

[iruinedyourday]

"Red is so under populated that there isn't even anyone to group with."

"All the zones are empty. They only have like 50 people."

"If I tried to solo, I would be forced to pvp all the time and never get any XP."

Obviously on such an empty server there are people waiting in every zone to kill you just for daring to be there. Seriously. Its not that bad.

hey man i played rallos zek in classic till i quit, im redder than any of yall mo fo's!

[bloodmuffin]

Seems like you had the right mentality. Expecting Red to be just like Blue, but with pvp.

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I enjoyed the PvP aspect don't get me wrong. I just needed resist gear to compete and levels to gain that competitive edge so I was stuck in that limbo. I wandered off to have some PvP and found it numerous places with both groups and solo but eventually got pretty boring being where I was at. What else more was there to do?

Funny you should mention my expectations, I had the idea that Red was outright death and constant combat where ever you went, where you could just log on and find some good combat. Once I started here people and groups were extremely friendly and welcoming, carebear status. The closer you got towards 50 though, the more you had people opting out of groups to farm or make plat just like blue, greed started to set in for some, people avoiding popular zones due to PvP. We had active leveling groups, people questing, Power leveling, waiting for planar raids, yet no PvP groups. PvP was an inconvenience to most of those guys.

So from what I've experienced yes, Red is just like Blue but with PvP.

[webrunner5]

I must admit I am playing Red about 90% of the time now. But the problem I see with Red is you can get to top level in 2 weeks not even breaking a sweat. Then what the hell do you do? Now granted you can get your Jollies off Ganking people, which I still don't see the big deal about, but EQ has NEVER been equal about classes.

Like a total twink with a CoF and a Fungi taking on a noob at level 10 is a fair fight, yeah right. Wow I looted 82 copper. Big ass deal. To me just another person I am gunning for down the road and piss on him being in my group if I have anything to do with it. And I play healers a lot, and for some reason, known only to me, I seem to be the Leader most of the time. I DO keep a shit list Blue and Red. Always have. :mad:

Hint, start a toon that starts with the letter Z. Takes me longer to go down my shit list to see if you are on it! Gee, my Complete Heal seemed to Fizzle on you, sorry lol, damn web lag.

[Swish]

come on down