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Uteunayr
12-14-2014, 03:28 PM
Greetings all!

I want to share about a game that is launching this Tuesday, December 16 called Elite: Dangerous (Launch trailer here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLAGI-LdNyI), but note that like most launch trailers, it hardly summarizes what goes on). Some of you may know it, some of you may not. For those of you who do not, hopefully I will be able to introduce you to the game and convince you that it is worth your time to look at.

"Show me some neat things, quick! You don't have enough of my attention for me to read this crap!"

For those of you that don't want to read this, here's some gifs that show what the game feels like, taken from reddit user Nukeclears.

Sexy menu system (http://www.gfycat.com/MediocreInnocentCornsnake)
Blow your mind with scale (http://www.gfycat.com/CalculatingGorgeousIceblueredtopzebra)
Lighting a criminal up (http://www.gfycat.com/JoyfulPoliticalIndianelephant)
A hyperspace jump with a jab at the size of the world in Destiny (http://www.gfycat.com/AmpleJoyousAdeliepenguin)
Taking Off (http://www.gfycat.com/WiltedQuarterlyIriomotecat)
Criminal at a space station (http://www.gfycat.com/UnfortunateCavernousIndianskimmer)
Newbie trying to fly without training wheels (flight assist) (http://www.gfycat.com/YearlyFinishedIvorybackedwoodswallow)
Getting killed. Canopy breaks, oxygen shield comes up, but the ship blows up anyway (http://www.gfycat.com/PortlyDefinitiveFlycatcher)
A Hyperspace Jump (http://www.gfycat.com/EqualWarmBirdofparadise)
A close escape (http://www.gfycat.com/PoisedEvilFinch)
Almost got him! (http://www.gfycat.com/MasculineDaringAss)

If these look awesome to you, then read on!

What is Elite: Dangerous?

Elite: Dangerous is the fourth installment of the Elite Series, a game series that goes back to the 1980s, and is basically the progenitor of sandbox games. It is the foundational game that lead to games like Eve, No Man's Sky, GTA, and the like.

The game takes place in a 1-1 scale replica of the Milky Way Galaxy (http://www.gfycat.com/CalculatingGorgeousIceblueredtopzebra), wherein three major factions are fighting: The Alliance, The Federation, and The Empire.

The game is technically a MMO, but has no subscription, and a cash shop only for cosmetics like paint jobs (no buying ships). You can play solo (in an instance of the galaxy all to yourself), or in private instances with just your friends, or in the world open server.

What can I do in ED?

The basic idea behind Elite: Dangerous is to give you the galaxy, and let you do what you want. The most similar game I can think of is Star Wars Galaxies. If you played that MMO Pre-NGE, then you know what Elite: Dangerous is like. Imagine Jump to Lightspeed, but without being limited to the small area around each planet.

There is no main questline, just like EverQuest and most early MMOs. It doesn't say "Go here, collect 10 bear assholes, bring them back, turn in the quest, receive quest to collect King Bear asshole, turn in, receive new quest...", etc. Instead, you are dropped into a starport with a standard, loaner ship (the Sidewinder (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130720181500/elite-dangerous/images/thumb/4/47/Construktion_Sidewinder_front.png/670px-0%2C1024%2C0%2C575-Construktion_Sidewinder_front.png)). You have 2 targeting pulse lasers, a basic discovery scanner, a cargo hold, and a shield generator. Good luck! You can do missions if you like, or you can go do your own thing. Gain money, buy more ships, and better items for your ships to let you do more (My ship (http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/540760793870208264/4E531171B89A0300689968DB57EFAFE89323A3D1/)) of whatever you decide to do.

Here is a brief list of the basic, overall roles you can fill. Keep in mind that these are not static, you can go from one to the next in a heartbeat, or do multiple at once:

Bounty Hunter
Crime is rampant in space, and it is difficult to police such vast, open territory. So instead, crimes are punished not by arrest, but by placing bounties on people.

Bounty Hunters are people that will search for criminals with bounties on their head, and hunt them. A bounty hunter will do this by using a Scanner, scanning for wanted people, flying up to them, "interdicting" them (knocking them out of supercruise, near/over light speed, but not hyperspace), and then killing them.

Pirate
Maybe instead of interdicting people for bounties, you feel like killing them and stealing their stuff. Go for it! Using a cargo hatch hack, you can interdict people, and then force their cargo holds to open, releasing their cargo. Kill them, use your cargo scoop, and sell it!

However, selling it is no easy task. Bounty hunters will be after you, and the security vessels will try to scan you as you go into the star ports that have black market access. You will find yourself needing to shut off your systems and drift into a starport quietly to avoid detection so you can sell your goods without getting a bounty on you for more than the goods are worth. Remember: If you have too high a bounty, players are going to come for you!

Smugger
Maybe you don't want to kill people, but you do want to trade in illegal goods. Some goods, like slaves, are not legally accepted in every part of the galaxy... but there's still a market among the rich in those places. If you're ballsy enough, you can smuggle these past political borders, and sell them on the black market for a high price.

Courier
Maybe illegal goods isn't your thing... Maybe you just want to be a space trucker. Euro Truck Simulator 2 in space. You can do that too. Load up your ship with cargo space, and then take jobs to deliver from one starport to the next. You wont run into trouble with the law, but don't be without your guns... Pirates will be after your precious cargo.

Trader
Maybe you really don't like the idea of hauling other people's crap. Maybe you're the type of person that LOVES the economy in games. Well, you'll be happy to know that ED has a detailed one! You go to Starport A, and you find they have a lot of a certain material, so the supply is high, and prices are low. As you travel around, you find Starport J has a high demand for the items Starport A has. You just founded a trade route!

So you start exploiting it, making money, but as you do, prices start to drop as the demand is being sated. Maybe when you come back, you find it is even lower than you thought: Other players have also been trading to those stations, driving down prices. Being a trader will require you to have a pen and paper, constantly mapping out trade routes and finding the best way to exploit the ebb and flow of galactic economy.

Miner
Buying and selling other people's stuff not for you? Don't like being a courier of other people's goods? Nah, you want to work with your hands (well, your ship anyway :D). Grab a mining laser, and a refinery, and head to the nearest asteroid belt! Start cutting through asteroids and finding out what materials lay within. Find gold? Platinum? Something valuable? Keep blasting, and use your cargo scoop to collect the raw material. Use your refinery to convert it into usable resources, and go sell it to the highest bidder!

But, you ask, how do you find high valued resources in a place as large as the galaxy?! That's where...

Explorer
... comes in. Do you simply like exploring? You don't want to get involved in much fighting, you don't like economy, but you do like seeing beautiful star systems, seeing suns with planets burning, pulsars, white dwarf stars. If you love seeing the beauty and want to explore the galaxy, then look no further than being an explorer.

Armed with a wide range of scanners, you jump around from star system to star system, discovering new planets, new resource belts, new asteroids, and the like. As you do, you build an archive of maps. Drop by a star port, and sell your information. The better, more detailed the information (from a better scanner, more time taken to make sure you scan every celestial object), the more money your information is worth.

When Can I See Elite: Dangerous?

There is a lot of information out about Elite: Dangerous, to the point where it may just be too cumbersome to easily break into. I know I have had issues finding reliable information about the game because of the beta process and different information. I will be streaming on and off at www.twitch.tv/SurrealSage, but the servers have been going up and down in preparation for launch.

menadwen
12-14-2014, 05:23 PM
eve...

Uteunayr
12-14-2014, 05:57 PM
Yup. Eve is based off of the Elite series, blended with a heavy focus on PvP as the main driver of content. There are a number of stark differences between the game and Eve, however, the most major one being that you're actually piloting.

"The game that most captured me on the Commodore 64 was Elite, the prime motivator of EVE." -Thorolfur Beck

"'The founders had two passions which they wanted to join,' explained Richardsson. 'The sci-fi feel and vastness of space from Elite and the social interaction of massively multiplayer and player vs. player gaming from Ultima Online.'"

Conscript
12-14-2014, 06:06 PM
You had my interest until it wasn't on Steam.

Uteunayr
12-14-2014, 06:11 PM
Yup. At least for the time being, the game is being distributed through their own site at http://www.elitedangerous.com/.

It may one day come to Steam, but it doesn't look like it will before launch. You can add it through Steam, and the Steam overlay, streaming, etc. will all work for the game (it wont for some non-Steam games launched through Steam).

However, what it doesn't do is make you install UPlay or Origin as a launcher to launch the game's launcher. Works like most MMOs, you just run the program off your harddrive.

MrSparkle001
12-14-2014, 10:56 PM
Preordered this the other day and I only first heard of it last week in STO chat. I liked what I saw in youtube videos but this stood out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlU8abkdJU0

Now I have to find a boom mic to use with my sennheisers.

Cookiefist
12-15-2014, 01:32 PM
So, this isn't just a trading and landing simulator? You can actually fly around space and not be directed to A->B->C?

Getting mixed signals from different people.

Uteunayr
12-15-2014, 01:36 PM
It is up to you. If you want to simply trade, you can do that. If you want to just explore the vastness of the Milky Way, you can do that.

You are dropped into a space station, and you're free to go do whatever you want.

Yes, you can fly around space in a 1-1 scale of the Milky Way. You are not directed, nor forced along any path. You could go around and just hunt people to make money if you want to. You could stay just in a few small systems, or you could go exploring nebula and shit. The entire Milky Way is at your disposal, have fun.

MrSparkle001
12-15-2014, 09:29 PM
It is up to you. If you want to simply trade, you can do that. If you want to just explore the vastness of the Milky Way, you can do that.

You are dropped into a space station, and you're free to go do whatever you want.

Yes, you can fly around space in a 1-1 scale of the Milky Way. You are not directed, nor forced along any path. You could go around and just hunt people to make money if you want to. You could stay just in a few small systems, or you could go exploring nebula and shit. The entire Milky Way is at your disposal, have fun.

and that's only for now. Word is the first expansion they want to work on will be planetary landings.

Pyrion
12-16-2014, 05:45 AM
Yea, and i am sure they will be able to do it (they have done it before), but the game is very nice even without it. In a way it's like early EQ: a huge open world, nobody holding your hand, unforgiving mechanics... for example if you somehow can't get out of a station because you fumble with the controls, you will not only damage your ship but will get fined by the station and possibly blown up because you block the entrance!

I like it. It behaves like a real world, not like an amusement park like other games. If a huge open world is your thing, try it.

Uteunayr
12-16-2014, 11:24 AM
And the game is officially out!

Just some notes:

1- Although you need to always be online (killing bounties, buying goods, selling goods, exploring systems, all of this impacts the global constants of the galactic market/balance), you can play in a Solo or a Group instance of the galaxy. The things you do will still shape what happens in other people's worlds and the main open server.

2- This game really isn't one that is going to hold your hand, as Pyrion says above. I felt it was worth writing up about this game here, because many of us who play EQ are here because we adhere to a love of when games treated you like a challenger, someone trying to beat it. Elite: Dangerous is this way, and I think many people here would like it.

3- There is a lot of room to grow, to upgrade, and definitely to explore. More content is planned in the near future, but the content now is definitely worth the $50. I am probably up to 200 hours at this point, if not more.

apio
12-16-2014, 01:00 PM
this sounds like something I would love, reminiscent of Wing Commander Privateer

falkun
12-16-2014, 01:53 PM
this sounds like something I would love, reminiscent of Wing Commander Privateer

Privateer was the series I was thinking this might be like as well.

MrSparkle001
12-16-2014, 03:22 PM
I got a fine for attempting to dock at the wrong pad when I first started today. The docking tutorial doesn't tell you you have to pay attention to which pad you're assigned so I assumed the one right in front of me was mine, just like in the tutorial. Oh well.

Then later I had to go solo to get docking permission at a platform because I guess there were too many players taking up all the bays. Waited around for 10 minutes before saying "screw it" and going solo. That I don't like but at least I wasn't stuck waiting on possible AFKs.

citizen1080
12-16-2014, 04:14 PM
I am tempted..but after reading some reviews it seems like a lot of the game is missing still. You end up in a rut of just running trade runs 1000x so you can afford the next ship. And then 2000x for next ship. It may just be a balancing issue but I don't want to invest my time into something like this. Game looks great otherwise tho...still pretty tempted. If it was F2P i would try it for sure and sub if I liked it.

skootr
12-16-2014, 04:18 PM
^^ what he said. I'll wait till it's more fleshed out or discounted greatly. Doing the same with Star Citizen, not buying into the hype until it's non-instanced content is out and reviewed with a non-suck status.

apio
12-16-2014, 06:08 PM
yeah I was already intent on downloading when I realized it costs 50 Euros which is kinda steep, especially for a game that has mixed reviews and seems barely completed. But I want to say thank you for bringing this to my attention, it looks really great and I have been waiting for a nice Space Sim for a while

radditsu
12-16-2014, 09:34 PM
50 euros ? Jesus christ freespace 2 is like free

citizen1080
12-16-2014, 09:35 PM
50 euros ? Jesus christ freespace 2 is like free

That makes sense. Good marketing department came up with that name.

Pyrion
12-17-2014, 09:37 AM
Freespace maybe infinitely cheaper, and maybe it's even the better game for you... but if you like realistic space (you know the endless real space), it's no match. No other game is.

radditsu
12-17-2014, 02:26 PM
Now i was a HUGE fan of Elite when i played it in the 90s. I dig the whole vibe the game is doing here. But it does not seem like it is worth $62.04 .

Plus there are a TON of procedurally generated games coming out, and most of them you do not have to be online for.

I guess my inherent "hate multiplayer" bias is coming into this.

citizen1080
12-17-2014, 02:35 PM
Hate to break this to you bro, but life is multiplayer.

skootr
12-17-2014, 02:44 PM
^^ yes, but when you kill the annoying assholes they don't respawn to keep pestering you. ;)

radditsu
12-17-2014, 04:08 PM
Hate to break this to you bro, but life is multiplayer.

I have 160 single player steam games, I think im fine.

I dont mind being online, but fuck dealing with anyone elses nonsense. If i wasnt married I would be a recluse, nawmean?

citizen1080
12-17-2014, 05:04 PM
I'm with ya haha. People suck.

Sadly I can't really get into most single player games. I feel bad enough wasting time on persistent games. Single player other than like RPGs cant hold my interest.

Kimm Bare|y
12-17-2014, 05:35 PM
Hate to break this to you bro, but life is multiplayer.

Heebee
12-17-2014, 11:12 PM
Now i was a HUGE fan of Elite when i played it in the 90s. I dig the whole vibe the game is doing here. But it does not seem like it is worth $62.04 .

Plus there are a TON of procedurally generated games coming out, and most of them you do not have to be online for.

I guess my inherent "hate multiplayer" bias is coming into this.

You can play solo, you just have to be connected to the internet.

Gwence
12-18-2014, 12:29 PM
The coolest part about this game from watching different streams is the voice attack software that everyone is using

Game looks decent but I don't think it will be as good as star citizen

skootr
12-18-2014, 01:27 PM
Star Citizen is a good year+ away from being competition to this I believe. So I'll likely play this and then Star Citizen. Just gonna wait a bit and see if they add to the game to make it more viable and social. If they make good on their promises they will get my money.

chuggy
12-19-2014, 07:05 AM
I bought this, its actually really fun but not worth the price tag

Pyrion
12-19-2014, 10:18 AM
@Gwence: Star citizen really is a totally different game. ED is more like an open world simulation with game play element (similar to EQ in that regard) whereas SC will lead you to a campaign holding your hand (think WoW). Both can be great on their own, just a matter of preference. Since WoW got many more players than EQ, the SC model probably will attract more customers.

skootr
12-19-2014, 11:59 AM
^^ incorrect on Star Citizen. It will be just like ED. There will be a stand alone campaign called Squadron 42 , but the persistant world will be just like ED, once you are in game, go and do what you want. SC will also have some FPS and planet/starbase settings that you can actually walk around in. SC has a much bigger scope of what they are trying to deliver. So just like ED, I'm expecting somethings to not make it in the game on launch. Mission creep just tends to happen.

Grimjaw
12-19-2014, 01:13 PM
ill stick to EVE Thanks

citizen1080
12-31-2014, 07:00 PM
Well? Its been a few weeks...hows the game holding up? Still glad you spent the money?

Pyrion
01-02-2015, 03:55 AM
For me, yes. I enjoy it very much. But i am sure it's not for everyone.
Yesterday i got my brand new Asp Explorer. A bit foolish actually since i don't have enough credits yet to upgrade it... but i will earn that while i use it, part of the fun. I will keep that baby for a long time, like it very much so far.

Uteunayr
01-05-2015, 09:49 PM
I've clocked around 250 hours now. Love it. But it isn't a game for everyone. Even if I got bored right now, and stopped playing, I still got 250 hours out of a $60 game. That is better than the vast majority of AAA games. That's Terraria level time consumption.

The asp is a great ship! I finally upgraded my Type 7 Hauler to a Python today. I am now making money to load it up with weapons, a fuel scoop, and then I am going to travel about 1000 LY away from Sol and explore.

Can't wait.

The game doesn't have insane depth. This is not a RPG, nor is it an open world game. If you don't enjoy piloting, you wont enjoy the game really. This is a game for the type of person that likes to sit at AFK camps for 20 hours, or farm Peacebloom in WoW all day, not for profit, but just for fun. This is a game for the type of person that would play Euro Truck Simulator and enjoy it. If you want a good game to sit back, chill, and travel through and explore space, this is your game.

MrSparkle001
01-09-2015, 12:21 AM
I have an asp with a few upgrades and 7 million credits and am still enjoying it. If you trade (which is the only way to make lots of money) it's very much a passive game. If you do it in Solo mode you can just listen to some music and chill out while escaping the occasional NPC interdiction.

The problem is the game needs more. It's mostly a first person space trading simulator right now with the option to bounty hunt or pirate when you feel like it. A lot of the fun is in finding good trade routes. There's no big wars, no faction rivalries, no plot or story (plenty of small ones though), no major galactic discoveries yet (there will be hostile aliens at some point though), no planetary landings or walking around on stations, no reason to ever fly an Orca (a passenger ship), etc.

I only play an hour or two every day or every other day. It's all the time I have to play anything until the weekend.

Pyrion
01-09-2015, 06:00 AM
Update: Got my clipper now, awesome ship. And if you want to see how elite can be when its at its best, look at that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dHqX5cFB0

citizen1080
01-09-2015, 04:16 PM
Update: Got my clipper now, awesome ship. And if you want to see how elite can be when its at its best, look at that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-dHqX5cFB0

When it gets to be like that all the time...I am in. The Space Truck Sim 3025 it is now doesn't sound like my cup of tea tho.

MrSparkle001
01-09-2015, 04:46 PM
When it gets to be like that all the time...I am in. The Space Truck Sim 3025 it is now doesn't sound like my cup of tea tho.

It's more like this in the beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYPtigdFxnA

There's been a lot of player pirate activity in the Lave system the past few days. Lots of traders getting killed and lots of bounty hunters heading there to try to collect the massive bounties.

Uteunayr
01-09-2015, 08:19 PM
If you play for bounty hunting, the game is like that all the time. It is great.

I went to trading because trading nets more money. I finally purchased by Python, and upgraded it. I have about 100 million net worth atm.

I recently started hunting Anacondas. It is so good to target an enemy's drive, and knock it out so they just wander around, unable to direct themselves. Get paid about 150k-180k per anaconda kill, so it is good work. But damn, if I fuck up, I lose a lot of money. The last anaconda I did, I forgot to maintain my shield and chaff, and I lost 18% hull, and had to pay 300k in repairs. It hurt.

Honestly, the game is only a Euro Truck in space insofar as you want it to be. But note that the combat, bounty hunting, is like doing mission terminal jobs in Star Wars Galaxies. By and large it is a grind of stuff. It is cheap to cap out a Viper, which is the most efficient dogfighter. With a strong Viper and a good pilot, you can take down Anacondas (top ship) and make sick cash. So although there is a big emphasis on trading to get ahead in money, if you do just combat, there is very little need to make insane sums of cash.

Uteunayr
01-10-2015, 01:49 AM
So, I decided to make a video of me playing for just over an hour. I wanted to go hunt Anacondas, the largest ship in the game. Often they are flown by pirate lords, and you can kill them to get faction with nearby stations, as well as some hefty credits. I went on a hunt, and I recorded it.

If you feel like watching it to see what an average game session for me is, here you go:

http://youtu.be/P2KR1_fmOPs?t=10s

I am working on a higher quality version.

Uteunayr
01-14-2015, 04:50 PM
Yahtzee reviews Elite: Dangerous.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/9991-Elite-Dangerous-Review

citizen1080
01-14-2015, 07:47 PM
Thanks for the video share, and the yahtzee review...i didnt even know he was still around...used to watch all his reviews.