Daerubal?

[Dis_Still_Mornin]

So we just gonna run with this patch even though it completely fucked our resists?

[Colgate]

not his call

[Ragnaros]

tell me about it

[Bazia]

pras the new era of debuffs being a thing

[pingpong]

ngr plz bazia. dont be an ignorant faggot

[Bazia]

better carry pumice / poison cures

[Ragnaros]

my bank dry thx 2 bazia

[Bazia]

i use up all my cures on snares :/

[Ragnaros]

when I wake up in the mornin all I see is dolla signs

[Bazia_]

lets not argue baby lets rub necks

[Fame]

pras this new era of skillful pvp

roll in it

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5hlPM-XMU3E/SoC9VrVUFWI/AAAAAAAAAAM/FSskoUpkF_U/s320/pigs.jpg

[Smedy]

rootquest?

[red99]

rootquest

[hint]

pras the new era of debuffs being a thing

http://i.imgur.com/2etc3SH.gif

[Kraz]

I doubt she could be rooted.

[Stasis01]

Yeah I mean with just Tash I'm rootable like 80% of the time on my monk heh.

I don't like it, dumbs shit down - I like the FR/CR change and think it matched nicely with the hitbox change making fights last longer for casters and melee.

But the MR nerf - that shit is just pure noob changes, making an ench useful in PVP is making the PVP watered down.

Rooting, blinding, snaring - why even change the hitbox if everyone is CCable and easymode melee trained, I don't really follow those forums but I'm not surprised that dev I was making fun of before came to these conclusions.

[Stasis01]

I will add with Null's custom resists that didn't work in classic because the threshold was too high (even with 100MR in classic you were rooted 60% of the time compared to classic like 40+)

We learned all this back in classic, but the dev's/gm's we had were different - so we're learning it again.

Derubael pls add a few notes to the Red99 GM forums.

- Do not nerf EXP for more gazelles.

- Do not make everyone rootable / CCable because enchs and clerics complain.

[Sirken]

You have become better at entertaining Sirken!

[heartbrand]

Got blinded at 198 mr. Somehow we've regressed to the shit resists of red99 release when Pvp was spamming root / blind / stun / whirl.

[quido]

Fixing broken MR shit should be priority #1 for red - completely broken.

[Doors]

At 115 MR on one of my characters I resist every blind and root cast on me.

When I'm tashed and malo'd and my MR is negative, they land.

Dunno but sounds like its working as it should and I only play melee characters. I don't see a problem with it.

[Ragnaros]

At 115 MR on one of my characters I resist every blind and root cast on me.

When I'm tashed and malo'd and my MR is negative, they land.

Dunno but sounds like its working as it should and I only play melee characters. I don't see a problem with it.

As my gear varies and it depends what im wearing I can run around from anywhere from 150-175 MR unbuffed, 1 tash and I am an enchanters slave, root lands 9/10 times, blind often first cast, even bard mez..shouldn't be this way if im stacking MR to the max imo.

[MaSQue]

As my gear varies and it depends what im wearing I can run around from anywhere from 150-175 MR unbuffed, 1 tash and I am an enchanters slave, root lands 9/10 times, blind often first cast, even bard mez..shouldn't be this way if im stacking MR to the max imo.

lol I can't wait!

[Portasaurus]

Wait... root works again?

I may have to log in and whoop some of your asses and then eat a carrot over your dead body going chomp chomp chomp... "nyaahhhhh what's up doc?!?!?!"

http://aptus.com/_images/buny_bugs_bunny_animation.gif

[snufzaimoverlord]

And the population plummets.

[daasgoot]

Wait... root works again?

I may have to log in and whoop some of your asses and then eat a carrot over your dead body going chomp chomp chomp... "nyaahhhhh what's up doc?!?!?!"

http://aptus.com/_images/buny_bugs_bunny_animation.gif

only if you have a chanter or shaman with you to debuff them first..

[fred schnarf]

dont matter what code is used, will always be complainers who play melee and want to be immune to spells

[Gustoo]

Kunark and velious era on rallos, 100 mr was pretty solid to resist roots with no debuff involved. Snares could still land sometimes.

I dunno how I feel. At high end game casters are totally gimp. Melee resist everything and kill a caster in seconds once melee contact is made. Getting CCed should be a major threat just like a caster rounding a corner into a rogue should be. As it used to be, any melee with moderate gear could hold his own against most casters and smash them in a dungeon situation provided both had similar skill levels

Plus melee returns to bind on death full HP while caster starts out OOM, still cant duck cancel spells.

I think previous resists were ridiculous. I have been rolling around in walmart +wis and mana gear like 60mr on gustoo and unless I get tashed I pretty much wasnt worried about CC.

[Burgerking]

Sheet buncha whiners on this thread, funny never heard no melee's complain when I was getting backstab one shotted with nearly 1000 AC, something I never saw once on live but lived with for over a year here.

I mean rogues one shotting and melee's taking 80% of your life in under 5 seconds wasn't nearly as powerful as being rooted. If only I could have bought a vendor item to remove those melee hits.

[hint]

Sheet buncha whiners on this thread, funny never heard no melee's complain when I was getting backstab one shotted with nearly 1000 AC, something I never saw once on live but lived with for over a year here.

I mean rogues one shotting and melee's taking 80% of your life in under 5 seconds wasn't nearly as powerful as being rooted. If only I could have bought a vendor item to remove those melee hits.

http://i.imgur.com/OaBPQYs.jpg

[derpcake]

Terupael?

Shitty thread by shitty people.

[Bazia]

Melees just want to be gods again who can 1v6 get a couple kills and plug with zero risks of being CC'd

Also do people know tash is cureable and root/blind/malo is pellable?

I mean I have 1v1'd Burgerking a couple times now, he malos and blinds me I pumice myself with hotkeys and they come off. I tash him and he cures it with potions, the shit isn't rocket science bros.

You see a shaman leave top 2 buff slots empty when they malo blind you just pumice urself both come off and they wasted a bunch of mana.

[ExedOut]

Should be tweaked just a bit for sure. I mean im on a ranger so I'm a little biased as to where my snare lands now when pvping with my pal bk but on live I definitely remember being immune to bogus spells such as blind / whirl till you hurl etc. Root almost always broke after one or two melee rounds. Snare was only ever a thing if it landed. I still have no problem fighting shamans / chanters 1v1 ( at least countering being perma locked ) but yes.. Tweaking Mr a bit would be appreciated.

[Bazia]

Well if were pleading for changes that we would like to see can we tone down melee discs?

Getting innerflame'd for 290+ damage a hit each swing is pretty fucking retarded.

[Burgerking]

Melees just want to be gods again who can 1v6 get a couple kills and plug with zero risks of being CC'd

Also do people know tash is cureable and root/blind/malo is pellable?

I mean I have 1v1'd Burgerking a couple times now, he malos and blinds me I pumice myself with hotkeys and they come off. I tash him and he cures it with potions, the shit isn't rocket science bros.

Yup I'm getting blinded rooted malo/tashed prolly more than anyone else on the box. But i played classic EQ and I take that shit off.

Pre-Patch I was getting snare poisoned and killed before I could even remove that shit, couldn't even use skill to counter. Now it's timing based and I'm burning thru cure, pumice and crimson just like I was on live.

[Infectious]

Melees just want to be gods again who can 1v6 get a couple kills and plug with zero risks of being CC'd

Also do people know tash is cureable and root/blind/malo is pellable?

I mean I have 1v1'd Burgerking a couple times now, he malos and blinds me I pumice myself with hotkeys and they come off. I tash him and he cures it with potions, the shit isn't rocket science bros.

You see a shaman leave top 2 buff slots empty when they malo blind you just pumice urself both come off and they wasted a bunch of mana.
Your a enc, melee has no channeling skill. So a shaman, self hasted can malo, blind, root and melee your ass down. And leavin your 2 buff slots open so shaman can bracer of hidden+ quick buff to start the fight ends with malo being at the bottom.

Shit isnt rocket science man. Malo should hurt if resists are around 120. But rockin 189 mr and a shaman means the fight is dumb.

[ExedOut]

I agree kec. Chanters / shamans are only super op now if rolling in groups. Which could easily still make them viable if tweaking spells such as blind whirl root etc were changed. I'm sure u can attest that even though I'm not damaging u 1v1 I still have no problem curing / spelling ur debuffs. Even in group PvP . idk everything seems fine to me besides the dumb spells landing that never did on live even if debuffed.

[Bazia]

whirl and blind need 2 go i can agree with that

but something had to change when monks and rogs were zoning into full groups killing 3 people then plugging at high hp, the shit was stupid

[SamwiseRed]

Your a enc, melee has no channeling skill. So a shaman, self hasted can malo, blind, root and melee your ass down. And leavin your 2 buff slots open so shaman can bracer of hidden+ quick buff to start the fight ends with malo being at the bottom.

Shit isnt rocket science man. Malo should hurt if resists are around 120. But rockin 189 mr and a shaman means the fight is dumb.

melee does have channeling here tho. someone already posted that after bring interupted they regained concentration. ive def seen pumice go off from a monk/warrior while being pummeled on.

[Burgerking]

whirl and blind need 2 go i can agree with that

but something had to change when monks and rogs were zoning into full groups killing 3 people then plugging at high hp, the shit was stupid

Blind lands worse than root can't land that shit even on a malo'd target gotta malo first then malosini. That's 10 seconds of casting time.

[Mac Drettj]

Blinds roots and whirl2hurls landing on fully geared players

Shock of lightening 100% resist

Wildfire partials for 50

Malosinis landing at 200mr

Sounds legit

[Isoroku]

not going to lie, i rarely log on anymore for any kind of lvl 60 pvp anymore.


a smaller crew of numbers can no longer go against a zerg of 3 to 1 odds anymore due to roots and blinds and ccing.

the game was already a #'s game, recent patch has turned the server into a NOTHING but #'s game.

[Doors]

EQ always been about numbers and opportunity don't kid yourself into thinking its a skill based game. Jousting about the only skill required.

[BardPop]

Blind fades in a couple seconds, don't know what your talking about

[Gustoo]

. If only I could have bought a vendor item to remove those melee hits.

lol

[Conscript]

EverQuest is the only MMO I have never played on a PvP server on it's just something about the balance on it that scares me off.

[Vexenu]

melee does have channeling here tho. someone already posted that after bring interupted they regained concentration. ive def seen pumice go off from a monk/warrior while being pummeled on.

Yeah, I've seen this too, and this is a major problem and totally un-classic. On Live melees had zero channeling skill, meaning any damage whatsoever would interrupt a pumice cast. As a Monk, I could always tell the good Druids from the bad because the good ones would come melee me to interrupt while I was trying to dispel their DoTs/snares. Zero channeling helped to balance out the high damage output of melee classes. It made them extremely vulnerable to DoTs, since all you had to do was 1 hitpoint of damage while they were casting a pumice/potion to interrupt their cast. If they didn't have an ally to dispel/cure them, they would be taking full damage.

Increasing the vulnerability threshold for CC spells is not the correct way to balance melee and casters. CC spells turn PvP into a joke for both the caster and the target. There's a reason the classic devs had the resist code they did. The game becomes fucking retarded when you can employ the exact same tactics to kill mobs as you can players (press button 1 to root, press button 2 to nuke, omg such skill!).

I simply don't believe that anyone who actually PvPed back in the day can defend CC spells regularly landing at 100+ MR as classic. I used to run around with something like 110 MR on my Monk, and it was very rare for me to get rooted or snared, much less blinded. But if I did? I was pretty much guaranteed dead against a competent player, especially if there was more than one enemy around, because there was almost no way I was getting a pumice off. Casters have a lot of options for dealing with melee besides CC: levitate, shadowstep/yonder, runes, DoT kiting, ghosting across terrain/hills and generally being evasive with movement (this was a huge component of caster skill back in the day). The balance tradeoff is that if a geared out melee catches you at close range, either because you're indoors or you weren't prepared, he's going to put a hurting on you. It was also recognized that casters were stronger at lower and mid levels, while melees were strong at the high end. Casters were better in open areas, while melees were best in dungeons. And casters were much better solo, while melees shined in group fights.

With CC landing reliably, the balance goes completely out the window. Casters become better at everything, because they can completely disable melees with the cast of a spell, in addition to having all those other options I previously outlined, as well as the ability to gate away from combat at any time. Melees rely 100% on their ability to land hits in melee range, they are literally helpless and worthless otherwise. Literally no different than rooting a mob. It's atrocious game balance to render half the classes in the game worthless with low level CC spells. The original devs understood this, and hence had a very low threshold for near-immunity to CC spells.

With no melee channeling skill and CC immunity, group PvP is fairly balanced between melee and casters. Necros, Shaman and Druids are stacking DoTs on melees, Enchanters are stripping buffs and mana from everyone, Wizards/Mages/Druids are nuking down Clerics and other high priority targets, and Clerics are healing and trying to stay alive. Meanwhile the melees and hybrids are running around trying to kill the enemy casters, and attacking any enemy melees who get low or who are trying to pumice. Everyone is running around all over the place. It's chaotic and a lot of fun.

With CC spells landing, casters just spam CC and and the whole game revolves around alternately dispelling and standing still while getting nuked down. Dumb, no skill and no fun for anyone.

[Oooruk]

Some simple (but not classic) solutions:

-Reduce the timer of stun/root/mez/blind on PCs to 1/2 its normal duration
-Put in an immunity timer to stun/root/mez/blind etc once it is broken
-Make root break on DD (if it doesn't already)


!!!


Oooruk - 51 shaman, blue
Aten - 22 enchanter, red

[Burgerking]

Blinds roots and whirl2hurls landing on fully geared players

Shock of lightening 100% resist

Wildfire partials for 50

Malosinis landing at 200mr

Sounds legit

Malisni wont land on 200 mr not even close I wouldn't have to malo into malosini all the time if it did.

[snufzaimoverlord]

simple solution is have a classic MR resist code which we had before the patch, and to keep melee hitboxes small which makes it far easier for casters to kite.

ezpz

[Burgerking]

simple solution is have a classic MR resist code which we had before the patch, and to keep melee hitboxes small which makes it far easier for casters to kite.

ezpz

Except that this is 15 years after the game came out and everyone knows everything about kunark unlike when kunark launched and was only out 9 months old before velious dropped.

If we close our eyes and pretend its classic when everyone has insane gear they NEVER EVER EVER would have had in kunark era, then every melee will be immune to every spell.

Literally that's what you melee's are asking for full spell immunity, you want no spells or CC effects besides lure and lifetap to ever land on you, that's what would make u happy. Meanwhile on live only 1 or 2 guys ever attained that gear.

[heartbrand]

CC on eq is more debilitating than other mmos. It has a fast cast, almost no recast time, and most melee have no range attacks of any note. The only way to break it is to pumice,, but melees can't channel, and the cc can be reapplied instantly. It's dumb as fuck.

[Conscript]

CC on eq is more debilitating than other mmos. It has a fast cast, almost no recast time...

LOL

World of Warcraft says Hi

[Bazia]

melee are channeling pumice since patch actually lol

[Maelzai]

Last i heard EQ was a team game, and people sometimes use TS and shit. I bet you could ask someone to pell you if you couldnt channel it yourself... and if you are solo from my experience i cant land root consistantly after just a tash.

(tash or malo alone, should prob land like 30% roots with someone around 100mr after, blind and whirl should be pretty much resistable unless you tash and maloed)

resist are a bit off but in grp setting i feel like it can even itself out for the most part. Granted it could use some tweeking i dont see the point in all the hate and tears. They gotta test patches somehow here and you just cant change shit cause the 4melee forum trolls cry about it.

[Burgerking]

CC on eq is more debilitating than other mmos. It has a fast cast, almost no recast time, and most melee have no range attacks of any note. The only way to break it is to pumice,, but melees can't channel, and the cc can be reapplied instantly. It's dumb as fuck.

Except for the fact that melee's can indeed channel here, they shouldn't be able to but they do. You'd know that if you weren't such a god awful player.

You can only be chain rooted if your debuffed and guess what those can be removed too! If you spent 1/10th of the time you do raiding, pvping you might know wtf your talking about.

[Silent]

I will have to try this channeling thing on my Rogue, maybe unintended bug since patch? Prior to that I never got a pumice off on myself or nothers, nor any channeling regained concentration messages pre patch. Whats the current rate of channeling on a pure melee like, hybrid skill level? or just 1?

[Feanol]

dont matter what code is used, will always be complainers who play melee and want to be immune to spells

^^^^^

I was engaged in a PvP encounter post-patch the other day. I resisted most of the root/snares cast on me, although the attacker was a blue con. Seems level still having a powerful effect, cause my MR isn't anything to write home about.

[krazyGlue]

i have channled a pumice / gate pot more then once on my monk. pre patch. havent tested it after

[Burgerking]

I will have to try this channeling thing on my Rogue, maybe unintended bug since patch? Prior to that I never got a pumice off on myself or nothers, nor any channeling regained concentration messages pre patch. Whats the current rate of channeling on a pure melee like, hybrid skill level? or just 1?

Same as caster been watching melee's channel clicks this entire time.

[Crazycloud]

I've mezzed people from zoneline to middle of zone on a bard. This shit is so broke l0l.

Anyone who logs in is in risk of death if the right group catches you. Pvp is a joke right now

[mugien]

dunno, got darknessed 5x in a row with 110 mr.

[aborted]

Couldn't you just pumice yourself or use cure poison pots? I don't see how this is broken...

[snufzaimoverlord]

Except that this is 15 years after the game came out and everyone knows everything about kunark unlike when kunark launched and was only out 9 months old before velious dropped.

If we close our eyes and pretend its classic when everyone has insane gear they NEVER EVER EVER would have had in kunark era, then every melee will be immune to every spell.

Literally that's what you melee's are asking for full spell immunity, you want no spells or CC effects besides lure and lifetap to ever land on you, that's what would make u happy. Meanwhile on live only 1 or 2 guys ever attained that gear.

You actually this stupid? By all means keep resists as they are, if you don't understand how spamming root and having it land on BIS melees is a bad thing for smaller "Eliter" pvp guilds, you ain't got a prayer.

[SamwiseRed]

Couldn't you just pumice yourself or use cure poison pots? I don't see how this is broken...

there is a difference between pumicing the occasional root vs chain pumicing just to not be CC'd. I can understand why melees not logging in. If you have to blow a bag of pumice every fight I wouldnt bother logging in either. i am not sure what is going on but samwise only has 60 mr unbuffed and I am still resisting fetter and such. maybe ive just been lucky but i do wonder how bad people are exaggerating. I dont get why noone has posted any proof of someone chain rooting them at 100+ mr. so easy to do.

[Burgerking]

Ok let's do a comparative contrast from pre patch to now.

Pre Patch you had 1 enchanter and 1 shaman racking up kills, and 2-3 enc and shamans rolling as support for groups. Post-Patch it's the same enc and shaman racking up kills with the same enc/shamans rolling as support for groups.

On Sullon the boards on Kunark for 60 range players was DOMINATED by casters, with the occasional melee making the top 100. Here for the past 2 years anyone who rolled a Sk,Monk,Warrior, or Rogue easily hit the top 100. Our boards at the 60 range are DOMINATED by melee's. Still are.

On live EQ every melee who rolled the class did not hit 60 in under 3 months and attain max resists, during Kunark era people were getting CC'd to hell because they didn't all get handed epic's and max resist gear at minimum time played.

Spells all have a cast time if you wait till your debuffed as fuck to start dispelling then that's a skill problem. And it shows that the average players lvl of skillful pvp here has degraded a vast degree since live. Because I can assure you on live nobody waited to take off a malo.

[SamwiseRed]

just casted root on myself over 50 times. resisted everytime with 100 mr. hmm mr def working without debuffs so the few who have said its completely broken need to sober up.

http://i.imgur.com/8CTdx4s.png

http://i.imgur.com/4R7q54N.png

need to test with tash and such still. i also need to test with roots who have no dmg modifier (chanter, wiz, ect) to see if there is a diff. someone else test this shit. sow actually faded btw in screenshots, i was never rooted in case someone wants to be e-detective.

[snufzaimoverlord]

Are you seriously testing with a low level spell?

You realize Spell level makes a monumental difference in resist rates now?

[Burgerking]

just casted root on myself over 50 times. resisted everytime with 100 mr. hmm mr def working without debuffs so the few who have said its completely broken need to sober up.

http://i.imgur.com/8CTdx4s.png

http://i.imgur.com/4R7q54N.png

need to test with tash and such still. i also need to test with roots who have no dmg modifier (chanter, wiz, ect) to see if there is a diff. someone else test this shit. sow actually faded btw in screenshots, i was never rooted in case someone wants to be e-detective.

I know man, the truth is there is a lot of bad players here who simply want to smash buttons and steamroll people without any of the skill classic EQ had. Yes you can no longer ignore Debuffs and be immune to CC effects JUST LIKE LIVE!

Nobody is rolling around getting chain rooted without debuffs, and every debuff spell besides tash has a longer cast time than a pumice. And there are quite a few items u can get to insta remove tash.

The only people who get rooted without debuffs are lower lvl than the person casting, pre patch at 56 I got rooted with 148 MR by a 60 wizard first shot.

[SamwiseRed]

more tests without debuff.

resisted root 14 times out of 20 with 66 mr
http://i.imgur.com/NxIYl7V.png

resisted 18 out of 20 roots with 89 mr
http://i.imgur.com/WZ0H5nj.png

[snufzaimoverlord]

Are you seriously testing with a low level spell?

You realize Spell level makes a monumental difference in resist rates now?

Try fetter and try the highest level blind

[Something'Witty]

Well I was going to wait to reinstall red99 until after Velious is finally released, but hell, maybe this lvl 60 chanter with a nearly full spellbook should make brief appearance before whirlquest is nerfed.

[SamwiseRed]

Are you seriously testing with a low level spell?

You realize Spell level makes a monumental difference in resist rates now?

had no idea level of root mattered. ill test with 49 root

again at 100 mr i resisted root every time with my level 49 root. not doing this anymore aint got the mana for this shit. wear resist gear next time?

http://i.imgur.com/AR3UqMh.png

[Burgerking]

Try fetter and try the highest level blind

I've never landed a root on someone I didn't debuff first unless they were naked, try getting mr to 120 because that's your problem.

[SamwiseRed]

Try fetter and try the highest level blind

ive never had fetter land on samwise but if someone wants to test it go ahead im in nk. just dont nuke me bro.

[Burgerking]

ive never had fetter land on samwise but if someone wants to test it go ahead im in nk. just dont nuke me bro.

Wouldn't be an accurate test because your 54 and anyone who has fetter is 58, the 4 lvl range would give them a much larger chance to land then if you tested it vs an equal lvl caster.

[SamwiseRed]

Wouldn't be an accurate test because your 54 and anyone who has fetter is 58, the 4 lvl range would give them a much larger chance to land then if you tested it vs an equal lvl caster.

that kinda makes my case stronger no? just the other day some wiz spammed that shit on me after he pelled my sow. it was only 3 casts but never landed.

[Burgerking]

that kinda makes my case stronger no? just the other day some wiz spammed that shit on me after he pelled my sow. it was only 3 casts but never landed.

Yea it does Im just saying the chance of a 58 landing on a 54 is much higher than a equal lvl character.

[SamwiseRed]

if root is landing on people tashed and they still have over 100mr then I agree it needs to be looked at HOWEVER someone post some fucking prof. ya feels?

[SamwiseRed]

just like in classic melees keep their pve gear on when pvp starts. claim they were in full resists when they werent ect. im just askin for prof that is all. also any wiz spamming fetter instead of a lure or regular nuke. lel moran. i hope wizards keep doing that so I can live.

[Isoroku]

samwise pvp at KC, all my toons are decked and you know that. im pushing 180mr on all my toons, im getting tashed and rooted by sub 60 rangers all day.

watching my guildies quit left and right cause we dont have 5 active pvp geared enchanters to contest with. all of my BiS players who would guard my up and comming people have quit because everything they worked for is nullified by a tash and a lvl 56 ranger root.

Staff needs to quickly address this issue, either a fix, or a revert to old patch until they have a working fix.

This patch is squeezing the little guy.

[heartbrand]

The problem is the way debuffs are working. I'm BiS and have 209 MR, with a tash I'm still way over 100 MR but yet I can magically no longer resist any MR spells. Debuffs are having some weird multiplier being applied to CC.

[Mac Drettj]

Bard and debuff class?

just afk sitting take gear off to help them

[SamwiseRed]

The problem is the way debuffs are working. I'm BiS and have 209 MR, with a tash I'm still way over 100 MR but yet I can magically no longer resist any MR spells. Debuffs are having some weird multiplier being applied to CC.

do basically your actual MR is alot lower then what is being displayed? ya that would be a problem. i am guessing only devs can see the actual mr values being applied then.

[Burgerking]

The problem is the way debuffs are working. I'm BiS and have 209 MR, with a tash I'm still way over 100 MR but yet I can magically no longer resist any MR spells. Debuffs are having some weird multiplier being applied to CC.

Let's be honest you don't really know wtf is going on in most pvp battles. Your the kinda guy that would let malo and tash sit on them hoping your gear advantage saved the day.

Thank God there is debuffs landing on a vastly below average pvp skilled player, who's usual pvp tactic is hide behind a wall of zerg or run to the nearest zoneline.

[red99]

shaman's and enchanters defending broken cc on boards, how cute

[Burgerking]

shaman's and enchanters defending broken cc on boards, how cute

Melee's who were hitting max Ac targets for full for two years while being immune to all CC effects with debuffs crying, what a shocker.

[Gustoo]

I have to say I agree with BK here. Melee has been way OP forever and some poor casters are actually threatening.

As a cleric I always felt bad for offensive casters because they just couldn't hold up against any decent melee 90% of time, except for assassinations when guys were low HP killing mobs.

[heartbrand]

Let's be honest you don't really know wtf is going on in most pvp battles. Your the kinda guy that would let malo and tash sit on them hoping your gear advantage saved the day.

Thank God there is debuffs landing on a vastly below average pvp skilled player, who's usual pvp tactic is hide behind a wall of zerg or run to the nearest zoneline.

who r u? literally only time ive ever seen u i slam dunked u 1v2. RIP

[krazyGlue]

i like McDonald's

[Burgerking]

who r u? literally only time ive ever seen u i slam dunked u 1v2. RIP

I had never had the pleasure of running into you on the opposite side of the fence, and I assure you it would end in your demise.

The last time I saw you in pvp I was Holocaust and you were an embarrassment. Sat at nek/Neriak zoneline afk naked waiting on a rez. I had to run up and spam heal and dispel you, and even after you came back you refused to escape even with the time I afforded you to do so. I eventually had to give up trying to let you escape and just plug the 3 people attacking you.

[krazyGlue]

Lol delusional much ?

[Burgerking]

Lol delusional much ?

Oh yea?

who r u? literally only time ive ever seen u i slam dunked u 1v2. RIP

Find me this kill he's talking about where Heartbrand killed me in pvp, find me any kill for that matter by Holocaust.

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Burgerking&ks=3

Yep Heartbrand caught in another lie as usual anyone surprised?

Sorry I can't be the PvP all-star you are Sickpuppy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bmHAG6cIs&feature=youtu.be

LMFAO!

[Red_Psyphon]

these burgers are burnt

[krazyGlue]

Arch Mage . To you nerd

[Burgerking]

Arch Mage . To you nerd

You're just another victim to me.

[Barladore]

After reviewing your death page it seems you are also a victim of his..

[Burgerking]

After reviewing your death page it seems you are also a victim of his..

Yep I killed him when i was 56 and he killed me when i was 56, now that I'm 60 and were on even ground the only thing he can do is forumquest me, and as you can tell he's not happy about it.

[Buhbuh]

BK is hard as FUCK

[heartbrand]

Is bk still pretending to not be syft?

[Burgerking]

Is bk still pretending to not be syft?

In lite of your recent embarrassing post fails I guess resorting to a clique troll would be your best move.

"I'll call him Syft that will make me look like less of a scrub."

[bouncerr 2.0]

http://i62.tinypic.com/xnzp6s.gif

[ExedOut]

LovE my Azrael pals but its a shame that you're pride as a guild disables you guys to work with others for the sake of competing. Really was hoping this GW / Az thing would work out but meh. I guess you guys can enjoy pvping on a large scale once every 3 months when you're leadership decides to make plays. :/

[heartbrand]

Azrael hard as fuck











At posting handstand videos

[Buhbuh]

now is the perfect time to have guilds that want to compete. It just won't be GW, nor Lite. which is the greatest thing that has ever happened to this server.

the hard part is over

we can begin anew

someone that isn't a total faggot just needs to step up now - someone that can actually talk to other guilds and not be an uncompromising, stubborn nightrider for their entire eq career.

culture change, bros

[Sektor]

now is the perfect time to have guilds that want to compete. It just won't be GW, nor Lite. which is the greatest thing that has ever happened to this server.

the hard part is over

we can begin anew

someone that isn't a total faggot just needs to step up now - someone that can actually talk to other guilds and not be an uncompromising, stubborn nightrider for their entire eq career.

culture change, bros

Well said

[ExedOut]

All trolls aside I agree buhbuh. Its a rinse and repeat process with guild after guild whose core never changes. I want a competitive server. I know I troll / shit talk more than anyone but tbh I'm willing to start something along the lines of what HB tried to do with RD. Gonna log on tonight at some point and talk to some people to see what's going on with all this drama. we all play to have fun and to each his own but you can't expect to be an elitist and compete on a massive scale. The pop just won't allow it. People do dumb shit and some people genuinely dislike each other but bygones have to be bygones and sometime you just gotta suck it up for the sake of a fun healthy server.

[SamwiseRed]

jibekn or hb the only knowns who could run another guild imo. doubt their body is ready tho. it just takes too much work

[krazyGlue]

Burger u never killed me solo . My accounts were passed around threw many players some of which didn't care if they ate a yt . I'm the type of person that trusts everyone . What can I say /shrug

[SamwiseRed]

can someone tash themselves but still have 100+mr and do a root test. id like to see some prof and we can go from there. running to the forums saying OMG I JUST GOT ROOTED proves nothing other than you are dumb. if devs listened to ever bug reported without prof, shit would be a mess. so simple to show evidence, I already did without tash and malo.

[SamwiseRed]

just casted root on myself over 50 times. resisted everytime with 100 mr. hmm mr def working without debuffs so the few who have said its completely broken need to sober up.

http://i.imgur.com/8CTdx4s.png

http://i.imgur.com/4R7q54N.png

need to test with tash and such still. i also need to test with roots who have no dmg modifier (chanter, wiz, ect) to see if there is a diff. someone else test this shit. sow actually faded btw in screenshots, i was never rooted in case someone wants to be e-detective.

someone do this while tashed. so simple.

[bouncerr 2.0]

you are using lvl 5 root

[SamwiseRed]

and? its the same resist check for a druid. also i used the level 49 root and after 20 casts all resisted. level of root changes dmg and duration but not whether its going to land or not.

[SamwiseRed]

had no idea level of root mattered. ill test with 49 root

again at 100 mr i resisted root every time with my level 49 root. not doing this anymore aint got the mana for this shit. wear resist gear next time?

http://i.imgur.com/AR3UqMh.png

[heartbrand]

Never starting a guild on red99 again, plus all my pals are in holo.

Would consider a guild on teams99 though.

Also, it won't be possible to truly build a guild with legs until velious.

[bouncerr 2.0]

and? its the same resist check for a druid. also i used the level 49 root and after 20 casts all resisted. level of root changes dmg and duration but not whether its going to land or not.

not sure if i really believe that, higher roots to me have always landed more easily, but i see you did it in that test my bad.

[SamwiseRed]

ye i think one problem this server has at the moment is there are no bad guys running the server. holo distributing loot to everyone, not griefing Fresh raids ect. even if you dont wanna be in holo, you cant really hate them. nilly was easy because they played the bad guy so well. they would wipe a low 50s group in freeti any day of the week without hesitation. take all mobs, np. wipe anyone weaker than them trying to get some loots. until holo becomes evil, i dont think there is gonna be a huge rally behind their opposition.

[SamwiseRed]

not sure if i really believe that, higher roots to me have always landed more easily, but i see you did it in that test my bad.

i think fetter has a -mr modifier but as for druid roots i think its the same across the board. if level mattered then my level 5 root shouldnt land on level 50 mobs (it does.) its why most casters use lowest level root. cheap, fast, duration is irrelevant most of the time in pve and pvp unless you are rooting your way down somewhere and camping agro.

[bouncerr 2.0]

ive been away from holo a month and already see like 30 people i dont know with epics lol

[SamwiseRed]

ya im looking at the lucy spell data. altho its not classic. druid roots all have the same pvp resist check. fetter has a -mr pvp modifier so yes that higher level root will land, not because its a higher level, but because it has pvp - resist check.

[SamwiseRed]

what i said probably makes no sense. no idea how to word it. but ya fetter ignores some of your MR before checked.

[bouncerr 2.0]

i just know huge diff in paralyzing vs immobolize on a cleric pvping alot, mostly the duration though it just seemed like the resist check was diff.

[SamwiseRed]

someone has explained this before but i dont remember what post it was. here is the data for:

Root
pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 101
pvpresistcap 33

Paralyzing Earth
pvpresistbase 27
pvpresistcalc 133
pvpresistcap -12

Fetter
pvpresistbase 12
pvpresistcalc 135
pvpresistcap -49

Grasping Root (low level druid root)
pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 101
pvpresistcap 33

Engulfing Root (high level druid)
pvpresistbase 27
pvpresistcalc 133
pvpresistcap -12

Engorging Root (higher druid)
pvpresistbase 12
pvpresistcalc 135
pvpresistcap -33

Entrapping Root (60 druid)
pvpresistbase 12
pvpresistcalc 136
pvpresistcap -57

Someone plz explain again :) Also maybe you are right on the higher level druid roots. Null told me long ago it didnt matter. He even had a chart for roots resist check and he said all roots fell under it. TBH we could both be wrong because who the hell knows that kind of code changes have been made. Just keep in mind this is not classic lucy data but i believe the spells on this server have the same attribute catergories.

hopinf Hayner sees this and comments on what exactly is going on or if these values are close to what is in game atm.

[vouss]

now is the perfect time to have guilds that want to compete.

there is no way a new guild could start here and contest, Holocaust shows up to every mob as it spawns at any given time of the day with a minimum of 60% of the online 50+ population. Fortunately they don't even have to bother they can just join you guys and get the pixels anyways!

[Bazia]

recruiting and contesting really worked out

[SamwiseRed]

there is no way a new guild could start here and contest, Holocaust shows up to every mob as it spawns at any given time of the day with a minimum of 60% of the online 50+ population. Fortunately they don't even have to bother they can just join you guys and get the pixels anyways!

could easily recruit and contest if you put time and work into gearing/leveling people. expecting everyone to be 60 and ready to go is silly.

[Colgate]

holocaust recruited and contested and overthrew the azrael zerg that was comprised of only geared out level 60s

[Stalos_]

No... just no.

[Buhbuh]

there is no way a new guild could start here and contest, Holocaust shows up to every mob as it spawns at any given time of the day with a minimum of 60% of the online 50+ population. Fortunately they don't even have to bother they can just join you guys and get the pixels anyways!

sure it can. we didn't start on top, and azrael wanted to hold us down and fuck us in the ass on plenty of different occasions before we got too strong.

your problem is that you don't want to build anything. you want the chess pieces in place from day one.

in fact, most of the holo officers felt that same way until it was clear that that wouldn't work anymore. actual effort had to be given, and it was. look what happened.

but it is fortunate they can all just join us and gear out anyway. that's part of the grand scheme anyway. i mean I'm not gonna lay all of our plays out on the forums, but the officers have thought this server dynamic/ politics shit through so thoroughly that we're dozens of steps ahead of anyone else.

it's not like other guilds can't function on this server, though. we just don't want total dipshits leading them. and rightfully so. their actions just burn the server to the ground, so fuck 'em.

[Burgerking]

Burger u never killed me solo . My accounts were passed around threw many players some of which didn't care if they ate a yt . I'm the type of person that trusts everyone . What can I say /shrug

Both of are kills were at raid events, you wanna pull the ole it wasnt me playing routine fine. I'll face any toon out of all the MANY accounts you have access to whenever you want ok clown. Fecal lasted 30 seconds vs me before plugging 1v1 you won't last ten.

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j370/Jezey/tumblr_m9acsnHzJd1qasdemo1_r1_500-whatareyouwaitingfor_zps40c68041.gif (http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/Jezey/media/tumblr_m9acsnHzJd1qasdemo1_r1_500-whatareyouwaitingfor_zps40c68041.gif.html)

[pingpong]

should be easy for a new guild to contest. just need to recruit 2x the numbers of the top guild, and solicit a solid BiS pvp crew to back them up whenever they try to contest.

[Bazia]

yeah gw was essential with the 3 players they logged in during the 30v30 fights

[vouss]

haha yaw ok

[Bazia]

recruit and contest

[vouss]

I don't care I have every item in the game on 2 characters. I do think you are all delusional though.

[mugien]

I don't care I have every item in the game on 2 characters. I do think you are all delusional though.

congrats on your major life accomplishments.

[Buhbuh]

duly noted

until the population lowers from our campaigning, your opinion doesn't hold much weight

you're not exactly a paragon of server health or good ideas in the first place, so your opinion isn't very impactful anyway, but whatever

[vouss]

I didn't say anything about Holocaust effecting population, what are you even talking about?

Who are you anyways? I have no idea.

[Buhbuh]

there is no way a new guild could start here and contest, Holocaust shows up to every mob as it spawns at any given time of the day with a minimum of 60% of the online 50+ population. Fortunately they don't even have to bother they can just join you guys and get the pixels anyways!

don't play fire giant with us, pal. no one likes a fire giant.

we're not trying to compete with anyone. we're trying to build the population. i assumed that point was obvious when you login every night with 100 new players here at primetime.

you don't actually have to say anything about it, that's the way it is; positively effecting population (which amounts to zerging) is our goal, and it directly effects your ability to form a meaningful guild, as it always has, because you're only willing to go so far.

[Smedy]

first it was : "we will recruit until lite and azrael are off the server"

now its: "we are recruiting to build the population"

nihilum said "we recruit for velious"

all these excuses to recruit everyone are unnecessary bros, we all know you shiver at the though of even number pvp. In fact, 90% of the holocaust leaders were in nihilum before holocaust came around.

no rules are being broken so no excuses for recruiting everyone is needed but keep telling yourself that you do this simply for the server if it makes you feel better at the end of the day lol

[Colgate]

there is no such thing as even numbers pvp

it's unrealistic and against the spirit of everquest

should we implement a guildwide /ready command for pvp?

people are fine doing things that create uneven fights like attacking people engaged on NPCs, but they complain about one side having more people than them?

wut?

[Bazia]

who woulda guessed recruiting and contesting would rustle so many people

[Buhbuh]

literally did not read a word

all i can say is you're a pretty awful and slimy individual, Smedy, which has been proven time and time again; you have absolutely no power or say here anymore, so we're gonna need you to go ahead and eat shit while we continuing doing whatever the fuck we want.

thanks

good talk

[Smedy]

no need to hustle here to explain yourself, with 90% of your core being x nihilum i'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what this is all about

keep recruiting, keep contesting.

[vouss]

Man I don't know who is complaining here? Server is great atm, just saying tho'

you guys are delusional

[magician]

Thanks I will faggit


Owned U so hard

[Burgerking]

there is no such thing as even numbers pvp

it's unrealistic and against the spirit of everquest

should we implement a guildwide /ready command for pvp?

people are fine doing things that create uneven fights like attacking people engaged on NPCs, but they complain about one side having more people than them?

wut?

I'm fine having 1v1's without mobs but your skinny jeans have cut off the flow of blood to your testicles turning you into a thai ladyboy.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vLtNXDmbLzA/TbvfeuJESeI/AAAAAAAAABk/zNsLBOF5yK4/s1600/manny_pacquiao_funny_picture.jpg

[Ragnaros]

that's not nice

[Burgerking]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/38/38037e48d643104b908cd47771238d48177aa5aa5c021c1fae 54d04f65aabdcd.jpg

[Gitem]

first it was : "we will recruit until lite and azrael are off the server"

now its: "we are recruiting to build the population"

nihilum said "we recruit for velious"

all these excuses to recruit everyone are unnecessary bros, we all know you shiver at the though of even number pvp. In fact, 90% of the holocaust leaders were in nihilum before holocaust came around.

no rules are being broken so no excuses for recruiting everyone is needed but keep telling yourself that you do this simply for the server if it makes you feel better at the end of the day lol

Called it months ago.

[Pikrib]

there is no such thing as even numbers pvp

it's unrealistic and against the spirit of everquest

should we implement a guildwide /ready command for pvp?

people are fine doing things that create uneven fights like attacking people engaged on NPCs, but they complain about one side having more people than them?

wut?

With guilds like Holocaust, Blaze, and Eternal Light starting to field 15+ members regularly for raids and each guild continuing recruitment, it is only a short matter of time until there will be competition over the end game raid mobs. I am proposing the following things to keep the atmosphere away from becoming anything similar to what it was with Nihilum running the show. My aim is to keep the raid scene relatively casual, civil, and fun. I'd like this to be an open brainstorm session, and I'd like people to refrain from shitting this thread up and perpetuating the issues that this server currently has.

- Agreements not to over-recruit. Every single raid mob in the game can be killed with 4 or fewer groups. When your guild begins exceeding say 30 people at each raid, stop recruiting entirely. Numbers will naturally go down over time, and if they don't, I'm willing to bet that there is always a person or two in every guild that deserves to be kicked out. Nothing was worse than before where, at times, the only competition between Azrael and Nihilum was who could recruit more new players and sustain those numbers week after week. In the long run, this should lead to new guilds forming and even more chaos when several guilds are competing for the same mob(s), while lowering the chance that one single guild will monopolize content.

- Spread raid mob timers far apart to more reasonable times. This one is mostly directed at Azrael, considering they have all the important raid mobs on lockdown right now. Regardless of how you guys feel, a majority of the server does not want to wake up before noon on a Sunday. My idea would be to spread Venril Sathir, Phara Dar, Severilous, Innoruuk, and Cazic-Thule to different days entirely, and try to keep them in a more primetime slot. These are the only mobs that most of the raid scene cares about, and keeping them all on one day only promotes a winner-take-all environment that existed with Nihilum around. I think we all know that whoever won that Venril Sathir fight on repop day took every single raid mob thereafter 19 out of 20 times. When one side loses, many people often get demoralized and log off for the day, and then they have to wait 6 more days until they get another shot at any of the mobs they care to fight over. I believe that having the important raid mobs several different days of the week will keep more people logging in even if they lost the previous fight. It will create far more opportunities for mass PvP, thus lowering the odds that one guild will keep everything on lockdown.

- Keep it civil both in-game and on the forums. This will not only benefit the raid scene, but server population in general. Controlling your members who want to spam /ooc, shit up the forums, grief people on twinks, etc. will keep more newbies interested in leveling up to join us at the endgame. For instance, after mass pvp over a raid mob happens, the winning guild should kill the NPC, then offer to rez the opposing side's clerics and allow them to clear out. People should be cordial and not constantly give the community insight into whatever personality/social disorder they're currently suffering. Following this philosophy will allow us to police the server ourselves instead of relying on petitionquest every single day. If a guild foregoes this idea and decides that they'd rather act like pieces of shit, then the rest of us can make a concentrated effort to treat them like pieces of shit.

It's time to become men about it pals.

Amnesia or the memory of a hampster, you decide...

[Steel Warrior]

It's almost as if actions have consequences and you fuckers are reaping what you sowed.

Sucks to be you.

[Mac Drettj]

Amnesia or the memory of a hampster, you decide...

Real life negatively affected by role playing guild politics

[Pikrib]

Wut?

Colgate is the one pushing his GF away so he can find out the Vox spawn timer...

=)

[SamwiseRed]

sounds like his priorities are straight. fuck women.

[SamwiseRed]

figuratively and literally.

[SamwiseRed]

someone has explained this before but i dont remember what post it was. here is the data for:

Root
pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 101
pvpresistcap 33

Paralyzing Earth
pvpresistbase 27
pvpresistcalc 133
pvpresistcap -12

Fetter
pvpresistbase 12
pvpresistcalc 135
pvpresistcap -49

Grasping Root (low level druid root)
pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 101
pvpresistcap 33

Engulfing Root (high level druid)
pvpresistbase 27
pvpresistcalc 133
pvpresistcap -12

Engorging Root (higher druid)
pvpresistbase 12
pvpresistcalc 135
pvpresistcap -33

Entrapping Root (60 druid)
pvpresistbase 12
pvpresistcalc 136
pvpresistcap -57

Someone plz explain again :) Also maybe you are right on the higher level druid roots. Null told me long ago it didnt matter. He even had a chart for roots resist check and he said all roots fell under it. TBH we could both be wrong because who the hell knows that kind of code changes have been made. Just keep in mind this is not classic lucy data but i believe the spells on this server have the same attribute catergories.

hopinf Hayner sees this and comments on what exactly is going on or if these values are close to what is in game atm.

will one of you firegiants explain these numbers to me.

[Mac Drettj]

Use the pvp bugs forum to answer that question. Haynar doesn't use all 3 of those, I don't think. It's been asked before.

[SamwiseRed]

ye but between null, alecta, and hayner no idea wut is going anymore. ill pm da man and see wut up.

[Neyphlite]

I was fighting a red con pally last night in Lavastorm, He landed one blind on me to start fight(He got the jump on me). Once blind faded and i got resist gear on(was at 112 MR unbuffed) he never landed another blind/root the hole fight.

[HippoNipple]

I don't care I have every item in the game on 2 characters. I do think you are all delusional though.

This mentality is why Azrael will never be on top for long. Elitist attitude on 15 year old emulator where gear is 99% of the success. A guild thrives on this game when a guild leader and core see the big picture and spend their time helping people below them instead of ostracizing them. Gotta be selfless and humble enough to "serve" those lower level, under geared and less knowledgeable than yourself. That is how you win a server vs getting an item that you stare at in your inventory.

[Gitem]

This mentality is why Azrael will never be on top for long. Elitist attitude on 15 year old emulator where gear is 99% of the success. A guild thrives on this game when a guild leader and core see the big picture and spend their time helping people below them instead of ostracizing them. Gotta be selfless and humble enough to "serve" those lower level, under geared and less knowledgeable than yourself. That is how you win a server vs getting an item that you stare at in your inventory.

Were you ever in azrael?

[Buhbuh]

I was, and Hippo's keenly on point.

[Mac Drettj]

Elitist. Funny cus lite never played everquest before kunark r99 launch. Bad players follow bad leaders. 8)

"Sure he can join as long as he unplugs his mic.and doesn't try to make any decisions"

8)

[vouss]

thanks for the tip hippo if I ever want to cut my dick off ill consider "win"ing at everquest, because my 2 BiS characters that have topped multiple leaderboards might not be enough for me

[Burgerking]

I was fighting a red con pally last night in Lavastorm, He landed one blind on me to start fight(He got the jump on me). Once blind faded and i got resist gear on(was at 112 MR unbuffed) he never landed another blind/root the hole fight.

Sounds like classic lvls to me, I get that melee's want to be immune to every spell but lure and lifetap and immune to every CC effect even tho there malo'd and tashed so they can smash buttons and kill someone, while doing 2x the dmg they they did on live.

But that's not classic EQ that's called wow, one trinket defeats all CC mindless pvp button smashing game. EQ pvp is a dance of attacks and counters, it's not super smash brothers.

[HippoNipple]

thanks for the tip hippo if I ever want to cut my dick off ill consider "win"ing at everquest, because my 2 BiS characters that have topped multiple leaderboards might not be enough for me

Individual goals vs winning the server. Just another char in the game like LeDuke, no one cares and LeDuke was able to do it with about 5k worth of gear instead of investing years of his time.

[vouss]

can't tell if this guy is serious or not

[HippoNipple]

Sounds like classic lvls to me, I get that melee's want to be immune to every spell but lure and lifetap and immune to every CC effect even tho there malo'd and tashed so they can smash buttons and kill someone, while doing 2x the dmg they they did on live.

But that's not classic EQ that's called wow, one trinket defeats all CC mindless pvp button smashing game. EQ pvp is a dance of attacks and counters, it's not super smash brothers.

Are you arguing about what you think the game should be like in your opinion or are you saying blind always landed in PvP with end game resist gear?

Are you arguing that melee dmg should be less (ac fixed) or that other aspects of the server should be broken to try to even out imbalances? Things are better for 2 classes with the right debuffs right now but what about the other casters that are left out?

People complain about the devs decisions (me included) but jesus, just think if this guy was in charge of making any relevant decisions around here. The guy is a real retard.

[Barladore]

Not like random warm_body_holo03 that everyone will fear.

[HippoNipple]

Not like random warm_body_holo03 that everyone will fear.

Another misconception that anyone cares about any individual player. Try so hard to make those 3 years of grinding and playtime seem relevant. If this wasn't true you would have playtime outside of when Lite comes on to tell you how to be relevant on the server again because you can't figure it out for yourself.

Playing to be feared by guys getting exp can be fun but it isn't note worthy and it is a non factor to end game once a person hits 60 and stops leveling up.

[Slathar]

Another misconception that anyone cares about any individual player. Try so hard to make those 3 years of grinding and playtime seem relevant. If this wasn't true you would have playtime outside of when Lite comes on to tell you how to be relevant on the server again because you can't figure it out for yourself.

Playing to be feared by guys getting exp can be fun but it isn't note worthy and it is a non factor to end game once a person hits 60 and stops leveling up.

jesus tldr nobody

[Slathar]

Are you arguing about what you think the game should be like in your opinion or are you saying blind always landed in PvP with end game resist gear?

Are you arguing that melee dmg should be less (ac fixed) or that other aspects of the server should be broken to try to even out imbalances? Things are better for 2 classes with the right debuffs right now but what about the other casters that are left out?

People complain about the devs decisions (me included) but jesus, just think if this guy was in charge of making any relevant decisions around here. The guy is a real retard.

jesus tldr nobody #2

[HippoNipple]

jesus tldr nobody #2

it's the same person, still #1

[Burgerking]

Are you arguing about what you think the game should be like in your opinion or are you saying blind always landed in PvP with end game resist gear?

Are you arguing that melee dmg should be less (ac fixed) or that other aspects of the server should be broken to try to even out imbalances? Things are better for 2 classes with the right debuffs right now but what about the other casters that are left out?

People complain about the devs decisions (me included) but jesus, just think if this guy was in charge of making any relevant decisions around here. The guy is a real retard.

How many people do you think were running around with endgame gear on Live Kunark? LOL because I'll tell you kiddo back in those days lotta people got whriled rooted and blind with debuffs, because not everyone was doing every dragon in the game like clockwork. When people started reaching full immunity lvls they increased debuffs. EQ wasn't made for everyone to have endgame gear so things need to be adjusted factoring that in. That's just logic.

Pre patch naked people were resisting root lol never saw that on live. If 112 MR is too high for root immunity then I don't know what to tell you, Try wow?

[heartbrand]

can't tell if this guy is serious or not

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/255/salemdown.jpg

[heartbrand]

jesus tldr nobody #2

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/267/slathardown.jpg

hjeheheheheheheheh

[Stasis01]

I bet poor Roberto is having a real hard time with this new hitbox, but he probably just looks at his items and logs off anyway so maybe not.

[SamwiseRed]

huehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

[HippoNipple]

How many people do you think were running around with endgame gear on Live Kunark? LOL because I'll tell you kiddo back in those days lotta people got whriled rooted and blind with debuffs, because not everyone was doing every dragon in the game like clockwork. When people started reaching full immunity lvls they increased debuffs. EQ wasn't made for everyone to have endgame gear so things need to be adjusted factoring that in. That's just logic.

So you think this server should be custom?



Pre patch naked people were resisting root lol never saw that on live. If 112 MR is too high for root immunity then I don't know what to tell you, Try wow?


WoW is too hard, I prefer slow paced easy games like EQ.

[Burgerking]

So you think this server should be custom?




WoW is too hard, I prefer slow paced easy games like EQ.

Im confused Hippo why are you talking about PvP, if pvp can be found we see you running in the opposite direction. Your a dragon raider always have been you don't pvp.

None of this effects you.

[HippoNipple]

Im confused Hippo why are you talking about PvP, if pvp can be found we see you running in the opposite direction. Your a dragon raider always have been you don't pvp.

None of this effects you.

You should run more often, you die a lot. That k/d spread is hurting.

[Burgerking]

You should run more often, you die a lot. That k/d spread is hurting.

Nah rather be in the game then on the bench. It's why no one has a clue wtf you are ingame, your known by forums alone.

[heartbrand]

Nah rather be in the game then on the bench. It's why no one has a clue wtf you are ingame, your known by forums alone.

Join Date: Sep 2014

[HippoNipple]

your known

http://i.imgur.com/DtyBSsx.gif

[Burgerking]

Join Date: Sep 2014

Think I clearly said I played Sojinn before that you slow?

[Buhbuh]

You'd think BK would hate this game. It's like every person he's not friends with is a trashcan that runs from PvP. I don't think there's anyone who has called you out on your stupid arguments that you haven't called a scrub that sucks and runs.

I just think you'd be bored if that was even slightly accurate. You're obviously absurd/ exaggerate/ lie crazily, but even if people believed you, EQ would just seem boring being so godlike in PvP where everyone bitched out and ran when they saw you.

I hate ur guts

[Smedy]

best pals and completely disregard any retarded behavior if tagged <holocaust> ....

leaves holocaust


I hate ur guts

perhaps your opinion would weigh more if it wasn't a complete bias towards your team dog, jesus fucking christ. i saw assburgerking as a fucking retard in holocaust and guess what... he's still a fucking retard outside holocaust

i'd like to see how flamed quiet would get if he left holocaust, oh my fucking god

[Bazia]

talking about people who run BK cheetah'd 3 times and made me look for him for 40 minutes in Nek forest until I just left

[Gitem]

best pals and completely disregard any retarded behavior if tagged <holocaust> ....

leaves holocaust



perhaps your opinion would weigh more if it wasn't a complete bias towards your team dog, jesus fucking christ. i saw assburgerking as a fucking retard in holocaust and guess what... he's still a fucking retard outside holocaust

i'd like to see how flamed quiet would get if he left holocaust, oh my fucking god

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sFtchHSm9Xo/Uw1TILO0DoI/AAAAAAAAALA/G_gQ_YZGnyU/s1600/sweep%20under%20rug.gif

[Barladore]

What's holo new opinion of pal stasis?

[heartbrand]

No clue who Sojinn is, sounds like a BPA.

[Buhbuh]

It's so easy to troll impotent players.

Poor Smedy

[Stasis01]

What's holo new opinion of pal stasis?

Probably the same as before, "who gives a fuck about this guy".

That doesn't mean they wont shit talk and try to rustle me for fun, or try to win in game.

Slathar is one of the few people who I realized isn't looking at the game at all, and really judges/cares about peoples personalities, and fucking hates people. I find that odd and dumb at the same time.

[Pikrib]

It's so easy to troll impotent players.

Poor Smedy

Wut?

Smedy has stolen more dragons and chickenbones from Pixel crazed Holocaustites in the last month than the rest of the server combined...

[Burgerking]

http://i60.tinypic.com/2j2chns.jpg

Keep talking shit on forums I'll keep killen ya in game.

http://elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery/the-20-gifs-that-perfectly-describe-your-finals-experience/1_elitedaily.gif

[Gitem]

Looks like a 2v1 to me.

[Burgerking]

Looks like a 2v1 to me.

Prolly cuz you're an idiot, people in range have red names over there head, if you ever pvp'd you'd know this.

[Gitem]

Could be out of range to you but not to quiet, idiot. Take a fraps next time.

[Crazycloud]

Was most likely a 1v1.

I wasn't there but from the looks of it. BK had him chain blinded/rooted and quiet prob just stood there cuz nothing he could do vs it.

Shms are god tier atm

[vouss]

target self, hit pummice hotkey

http://i.imgur.com/9VGSTDd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EUYHnKg.jpghttp
http://i.imgur.com/mV0Mxc7.jpg

gay = popping nimble and coming off clean with a 100-0 blowout against a red con VP geared warrior

[Quiet]

Not even worth wasting a pumice on. Malo, and i ran, then he can just cheetah to catch me from behind, Blind/root. Entire fight I saw 0 from the moment blind it till i loaded in FV. Pointless to even consider it a good fight. It wasn't.

[vouss]

not a fan of the king but man he wrecke'd you and your ocean of tears is delicious

[Quiet]

vouss vouss is online now
Planar Protector


Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,184

This players message was blocked because he is a non-factor.

Actually my fave memory of Vouss was when he caught me naked at Gfay spire when I was level 40ish. Tyva was standing there and Vouss starts attacking me.
I click hide and he says "did you see that shit he just warped away" and Tyva sends me a tell along the lines of lol' idiot.

[Burgerking]

Was most likely a 1v1.

I wasn't there but from the looks of it. BK had him chain blinded/rooted and quiet prob just stood there cuz nothing he could do vs it.

Shms are god tier atm

LOL shamans are God tier yet there's only one shaman running around killing people. Sounds like Bs to me.

PS learn to play, all the spells you named are removable for 15 plat.

[Kimm Bare|y]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/255/salemdown.jpg

cool, classic screenshots circa 2011

very relevant

[ExedOut]

So admitted to running rather than plainly seeing a malo graphic cast and pelling yourself. He had time to cheeta and cast root / blind and you still never pumiced. Jesus dude you really are bad @ EQ.

[Quiet]

8 bags no pumice, 7th slot with top slot sow. Aw yea, but still have a windstriker.

[Crazycloud]

LOL shamans are God tier yet there's only one shaman running around killing people. Sounds like Bs to me.

PS learn to play, all the spells you named are removable for 15 plat.


You failed to consider the facts. What lvl 60 shamans play on this server? Sealer? you? Lith? Name some more? cause most get griefed off server from buffing. Talk out of your ass alot don't you bro?

15 plat to cure blind? explain?

You are expecting someone to chain pumice himself while blind, you know how easy it is to keep up with that? first of all root breaks sow. Do you think he can jboot while blinded? or resow himself?

Again talking out your ass.

You can easily reblind/root before blind comes off.

My whole thing is if the shaman is able to catch you off guard you are toast as fuk. Even still, if a skilled shaman is fighting you. He could malo you, bash pumice and blind you before you repumice. If blinds are landing in pvp how can you deny god mode? Blind is the most OP spell on the server.

[Quiet]

You failed to consider the facts. What lvl 60 shamans play on this server? Sealer? you? Lith? Name some more? cause most get griefed off server from buffing. Talk out of your ass alot don't you bro?

15 plat to cure blind? explain?

You are expecting someone to chain pumice himself while blind, you know how easy it is to keep up with that? first of all root breaks sow. Do you think he can jboot while blinded? or resow himself?

Again talking out your ass.

You can easily reblind/root before blind comes off.

My whole thing is if the shaman is able to catch you off guard you are toast as fuk. Even still, if a skilled shaman is fighting you. He could malo you, bash pumice and blind you before you repumice. If blinds are landing in pvp how can you deny god mode? Blind is the most OP spell on the server.

Pretty much.

[Burgerking]

So admitted to running rather than plainly seeing a malo graphic cast and pelling yourself. He had time to cheeta and cast root / blind and you still never pumiced. Jesus dude you really are bad @ EQ.

Worst part is he had HP buffs took over 3k in dmg before he fell over.

You failed to consider the facts. What lvl 60 shamans play on this server? Sealer? you? Lith? Name some more? cause most get griefed off server from buffing. Talk out of your ass alot don't you bro?

15 plat to cure blind? explain?

You are expecting someone to chain pumice himself while blind, you know how easy it is to keep up with that? first of all root breaks sow. Do you think he can jboot while blinded? or resow himself?

Again talking out your ass.

You can easily reblind/root before blind comes off.

My whole thing is if the shaman is able to catch you off guard you are toast as fuk.

Your forgetting Fecal aka Smallmee highest ranked player on the box. You know what a joke it is to whine about 1 guy running around on Shaman killing people, vs everyone that rolled Monk, SK, Rogue for the past year.

No not talking about my ass explaining to a bad player how to play, Macken stripped and blinded me every fight on sullon zek. Macken died every fight on Sullon zek.

Hotkey's use them, if you choose not to remove debuffs and roots your gonna die like you should because you're bad.

[Quiet]

I had 2259hp when you attacked. Self buffed :)

Not overly concerned its just stupid now. In the low levels there is 1 ench/sham currently for every 1 other class. Never had so much clarity and buffage. Shamans get their epics and disappear nearly daily.
The debuff is fine but they need to lower the resist threshold then to compensate. ~80-90 giving a 50% chance to resist would be just fine and scale it from there. The fire and cold resist are just plain fucked too. I have not landed 1 single pvp Calefaction on anyone since the patch. Even those level 56-58 are resisting in full 95% of the time. I stand under KC super block and absorb 250pt sunstrikes cause with 117FR i resist nearly all of it. I even partial-ed a Lure of ice which should never, ever happen. Esp not at 56CR

[Burgerking]

I had 2259hp when you attacked. Self buffed :)

That was the second poison rain you took, plus a full bane of nife, you do the math.

[Crazycloud]

Worst part is he had HP buffs took over 3k in dmg before he fell over.



Your forgetting Fecal aka Smallmee highest ranked player on the box. You know what a joke it is to whine about 1 guy running around on Shaman killing people, vs everyone that rolled Monk, SK, Rogue for the past year.

No not talking about my ass explaining to a bad player how to play, Macken stripped and blinded me every fight on sullon zek. Macken died every fight on Sullon zek.

Hotkey's use them, if you choose not to remove debuffs and roots your gonna die like you should because you're bad.

I have been blinded on live yes... With MALO + TASH on me. Not sure what your gear was lookin like on SZ? it was pretty easy to stack up MR. Other ressists? not so easy.

Also i stated how god mode shamans are. Who is whining? explaining facts bro. I have the spell blind too you kno? I'm just as strong as you, cept i need to roll with someone who can debuff to use it which is why shms are god mode, they have both :).

You are denying it is alot more easier to land it on this server then live. My brother mained a enchanter on live and even after tash he got alots of resist on blind, but landed on terrible geared players. IF that lucky blind did hit you when you were well geared yeah it sucked but you can chain blind someone to death on this box and i have done it with my paladin running around with a enchanter. Like i have no fun casting chain blinds on people shit makes me log off zero skill involved.

[Burgerking]

I have been blinded on live yes... With MALO + TASH on me. Not sure what your gear was lookin like on SZ? it was pretty easy to stack up MR. Other ressists? not so easy.

You are denying it is alot more easier to land it on this server then live. My brother mained a enchanter on live and even after tash he got alots of resist on blind, but landed on terrible geared players. IF that lucky blind did hit you when you were well geared yeah it sucked but you can chain blind someone to death on this box and i have done it with my paladin running around with a enchanter. Like i have no fun casting chain blinds on people shit makes me log off zero skill involved.

Yes I'm malo'ing people into a malosini that's a lot better than tash, plus you never pvp'd on Sullon till Luclin you raided all day with TOW and only pvp'd if you had a full gank squad fully buffed, your perception of pvp is skewed.

[Crazycloud]

Yes I'm malo'ing people into a malosini that's a lot better than tash, plus you never pvp'd on Sullon till Luclin you raided all day with TOW and only pvp'd if you had a full gank squad fully buffed, your perception of pvp is skewed.

Actually i didn't join ToW till PoP cause i was in Honorbound a pvp guild who only pvp'd.

them lies bro, I rustled you?

[Nirgon]

Eh we had people defending the hitbox, we got people defending blind spam

Classic shall prevail

[Gitem]

Widen hit box after blind?

[Mac Drettj]

http://i60.tinypic.com/2j2chns.jpg

Keep talking shit on forums I'll keep killen ya in game.

http://elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery/the-20-gifs-that-perfectly-describe-your-finals-experience/1_elitedaily.gif

hey a secret admirer named himself after my legendary necro on loz

[Burgerking]

Actually i didn't join ToW till PoP cause i was in Honorbound a pvp guild who only pvp'd.

them lies bro, I rustled you?

Then you should know that a stripped tash'd target or malosini'd target got blinded during kunark. You should know how to fight around those things since they were a daily occurrence, if you say nothing Quiet could do then you never pvp'd 1v1 without the aid of a full gank squad fully buffed.

And if you such a great solo pvper then how come you been here almost a year and don;t have 1 solo kill, and never engaged in pvp until you were fully geared. Sounds blue as fuck to me

[Mac Drettj]

everyone knows that its broken except BK who thinks hes just really good

[Burgerking]

everyone knows that its broken except BK who thinks hes just really good

FACT: Killed more people than any Shaman ever has pre-patch after playing Shaman here for only 3 months.

Sorry your playing a warrior here and want to be immune to every spell but shit was never like that on classic, you call it broken I call it classic EQ, Sorry you want a dumbed down no skill version of the game, guess that all your mind can handle.

[Kergan]

Shaman a support class. l2play

[HippoNipple]

And if you such a great solo pvper then how come you been here almost a year and don;t have 1 solo kill, and never engaged in pvp until you were fully geared. Sounds blue as fuck to me

What leader boards are you looking at dating a year back that list the amount of people involved in each PvP skirmish?

By your lack of EQ knowledge and exaggerated generalizations I figured you had just started 2 months ago besides playing on the RMTd throw away shared account from CoT.

You sure you even played on live yourself? It sounds like there is a lot lost in translation between you and an older sister.

[Crazycloud]

Then you should know that a stripped tash'd target or malosini'd target got blinded during kunark. You should know how to fight around those things since they were a daily occurrence, if you say nothing Quiet could do then you never pvp'd 1v1 without the aid of a full gank squad fully buffed.

And if you such a great solo pvper then how come you been here almost a year and don;t have 1 solo kill, and never engaged in pvp until you were fully geared. Sounds blue as fuck to me

again, a shitty tashed rag player in kunark will be blind/rooted after tash. You talking VP/top geared players here?

Didn't i kill your alt?

Vetro Holocaust Brewtality God's Work Dreadlands 0.97 December 13 2014 12:07:52 AM

Was that a me in a large group as well?

[Mac Drettj]

http://i.imgur.com/GOIFjTI.jpg

[Burgerking]

again, a shitty tashed rag player in kunark will be blind/rooted after tash. You talking VP/top geared players here?

Didn't i kill your alt?

Vetro Holocaust Brewtality God's Work Dreadlands 0.97 December 13 2014 12:07:52 AM

Was that a me in a large group as well?

Nah sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not brewtality. But ya never killed anyone 1v1 never did on live either. Prove me wrong post a screenshot, during kunark there was like no full VP geared toons kunark was out for 9 months before velious dropped you have no idea what PvP was like during that era because you only pvpd with full group buffs or behind a zerg force. Just like you do here.

[Crazycloud]

Nah sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not brewtality. But ya never killed anyone 1v1 never did on live either. Prove me wrong post a screenshot, during kunark there was like no full VP geared toons kunark was out for 9 months before velious dropped you have no idea what PvP was like during that era because you only pvpd with full group buffs or behind a zerg force. Just like you do here.

You not syft too right?

You also assuming VP gear is where all the MR is. (guy is dumb)

[Ragnaros]

It doesn't take vp gear to break around 160 MR just saying

[Crazycloud]

It doesn't take vp gear to break around 160 MR just saying

[heartbrand]

FACT: Killed more people than any Shaman ever has pre-patch after playing Shaman here for only 3 months.

Sorry your playing a warrior here and want to be immune to every spell but shit was never like that on classic, you call it broken I call it classic EQ, Sorry you want a dumbed down no skill version of the game, guess that all your mind can handle.

pretty sure alche killed more ppl than u in classic but u wouldnt know cuz ur a non factor who rolled here in 2014

[Burgerking]

What leader boards are you looking at dating a year back that list the amount of people involved in each PvP skirmish?

By your lack of EQ knowledge and exaggerated generalizations I figured you had just started 2 months ago besides playing on the RMTd throw away shared account from CoT.

You sure you even played on live yourself? It sounds like there is a lot lost in translation between you and an older sister.

So you never pvpd here and run from PvP but were supposed to believe you pvpd all the time on live. Lol nah you have no clue about PvP because you only try to avoid it at all costs.

I find that people who never pvpd on live act the exact same way here, those who pvpd on live seek PvP here. Just like anything else the more you do something the better you get at it. Don't wanna PvP ever of course your gonna suck at it.

[Slathar]

Slathar is one of the few people who I realized isn't looking at the game at all, and really judges/cares about peoples personalities, and fucking hates people. I find that odd and dumb at the same time.


i dont want to play with people i dont like. sorry that makes you mad.

[Ragnaros]

I love it when slathar tells me to look him in the eyes

[Burgerking]

It doesn't take vp gear to break around 160 MR just saying

You think everyone was running around with 160 Mr during kunark lmfao

[krazyGlue]

alche was a beast. r.i.p

[Buhbuh]

BK a dumdum, no one important takes his opinions seriously.

Not trolling. Just fact. Guy is biased and ridiculous as fuck, cherry picks arguments like a crazy person to feed his own narcissism, GMs know it, we all know it.

Let's just put our own dicks in our mouths and call it good.

[Doors]

everyone knows that its broken except BK who thinks hes just really good

Basically sums up this thread.

[Fame]

Server fine, check ur connection.

[Burgerking]

BK a dumdum, no one important takes his opinions seriously.

Not trolling. Just fact. Guy is biased and ridiculous as fuck, cherry picks arguments like a crazy person to feed his own narcissism, GMs know it, we all know it.

Let's just put our own dicks in our mouths and call it good.

Your right server was totally balanced before patch everyone who rolled a rogue SK and warrior just so happened to be the most elite pvpers from live the best of the best.

Lol clown.

[Bazia]

more like mnk/rog but yeah they were retarded rape machines

[Buhbuh]

I don't really understand why he keeps making the same point over and over again. A large majority of the population was very vocal about how OP melee was. It's not like our outcry changed it any faster. PvP devs came and went, spent some time, nothing got implemented.

It's not like the GMs were unaware. Half of this crowd wanted the changes we have now from day 1 of old world (obviously not the 100% debuffs/ root threshold retarded part of it). Null had other plans in the beginning.

Did that 5% chance to interrupt every hit that lands get taken out btw? Shit is dumb.

[Gustoo]

I think it is important that level 60 PVP is always looked at with a close eye to make sure that casters aren't totally impotent like they often are when facing any decent melee. I basically don't play so I dunno if these changes are that bad, but maybe using cure poison can fix some of some guys problems?

[Steel Warrior]

It's an endless strawman that he keeps reposting.

[everyone] Resists aren't right.
[Burgerking] Melees were overpowered!

Then he pretends to be an expert on live PVP, and he likes to mention Sullon Zek.

Sullon Zek came up in the summer of 2001--Velious era.

[krazyGlue]

Resists are fucked . But aslong as changes keep coming . I'm all for it . Until we get it perfect

[Pikrib]

Derubael making leaderboard gainz

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Derubael

pras

[krazyGlue]

Hrmm possibly caught boxing

[Mac Drettj]

ya boxers are punished with gm bind camping

[Burgerking]

I don't really understand why he keeps making the same point over and over again. A large majority of the population was very vocal about how OP melee was. It's not like our outcry changed it any faster. PvP devs came and went, spent some time, nothing got implemented.

It's not like the GMs were unaware. Half of this crowd wanted the changes we have now from day 1 of old world (obviously not the 100% debuffs/ root threshold retarded part of it). Null had other plans in the beginning.

Did that 5% chance to interrupt every hit that lands get taken out btw? Shit is dumb.

Because people only get rooted with debuff's you guys are literally asking for full spell immunity with fucking debuffs like it makes sense. And melee's will go back to retarded rape machines as casters will have no way to keep them off.

[Ragnaros]

Derubael making leaderboard gainz

http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Derubael

pras

what happened?anyone got any info