Burn it to the ground

[Silent]

Adding more fuel to aimchat, awaiting match to be lit.

[heartbrand]

Someone gonna post something or just empty stuff?

[heartbrand]

RMT historically speaking seems really hard to prove via logs to the standard GMs use for banning people. I highly doubt some copy paste aim logs will lead to anything. You need receipts / paypal logs, etc.

[Colgate]

real boring/gay thread

1 out of 5

[krazyGlue]

Offer submitted

[Eslade]

Do it.

[Silent]

I am just curious when its gonna pop off, I know some of it has begun. But I don't think anyones gonna post the info in a RNF thread before GM's get to see it. I feels for gyno though, I was his squire at one point.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

I am just curious when its gonna pop off, I know some of it has begun. But I don't think anyones gonna post the info in a RNF thread before GM's get to see it. I feels for gyno though, I was his squire at one point.

http://i.imgur.com/7u67xO9.jpg

[Twainz]

Gyno,

Read PMs.

[FoxxHound]

I want to see! I want to be cool too!

[LulzSect]

being "cool" among the obese middle aged firegiant clique still makes you a firegiant

pathetic

[FoxxHound]

being "cool" among the obese middle aged firegiant clique still makes you a firegiant

pathetic

Someone wants "THE HAND" !

[LulzSect]

http://marketing.wtwhmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Things-to-make-me-hate-you1.jpg

[Colgate]

aren't agatha and jupe very critical of azrael for resorting to petitionquesting so much?

didn't vaporize RMT a shitload on this server and then brag about how he got "scammed" by dazed for trying to RMT with him when he first started here?

this thread was made because god's work are bitter over losing when they thought breaking the alliance would cause holocaust to tumble, when in reality they do pretty much nothing and are nowhere near as much of a factor as azrael was

but they think getting gyno(someone who doesn't play at all) banned is going to do something? lol?

lots of hypocrisy

lol'ing hard over here

[Colgate]

could get 3 people banned easily with proof but i aint that immersed been getting cloak of flame offers lol.

yall good tho i dont really care its all funny shit to me

? wut

[Kergan]

Never got why people try to get each other banned for doing anything other than hacks.

[Lasher]

this went no where fast

[Smedy]

this had potential, wut happened, cofs were thrown ur way?

[Crazycloud]

this went no where fast

[Kaahbal]

Gyno banned? A new tail will grow out.

[LostCause]

They ddddddddeeeeeeeeeelllleeeeeeettttted the guild










































Star warsssssss time.

[Sektor]

Gyno has been rmting for the past 2 years, nobody has ever given them proof of his RMT but it was very obvious that he's been doing it.

It's ashame that players of this server spend their time thinking of ways to banning other players instead of just playing the game.

[Bidin]

Gyno has been rmting for the past 2 years, nobody has ever given them proof of his RMT but it was very obvious that he's been doing it.

It's ashame that players of this server spend their time thinking of ways to banning other players instead of just playing the game.

pot calling the kettle black

[Tassador]

They ddddddddeeeeeeeeeelllleeeeeeettttted the guild








Time to go big in Star Wars!!!! Tant tant tananana

































Star warsssssss time.

[Sektor]

pot calling the kettle black

When a guild leader does rmt deals with me, then decides to rat me out because I joined the other side, I call that karma.

[heartbrand]

When a guild leader does rmt deals with me, then decides to rat me out because I joined the other side, I call that karma.

Very true.

[Pikrib]

Someone gonna post something or just empty stuff?

thread 0/5 stars, does not deliver

I would accept a scanned copy of the Sektor reciept that Twainz has had sitting on his on his nightstand from two years ago at this point.

[SamwiseRed]

ill keep my mouth shut for 3 cloak of flames and a partridge in a pear tree

[SamwiseRed]

http://i.imgur.com/uWzdRJf.jpg

[Smedy]

thread 0/5 stars, does not deliver

I would accept a scanned copy of the Sektor reciept that Twainz has had sitting on his on his nightstand from two years ago at this point.

i lol'd

[Mac Drettj]

http://youtu.be/XVnBNM5TsoA

[Eslade]

http://www.shareplaylists.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/SetSize200200-Grievances.jpg

Can prof be posted on Tuesday, December 23?

[Sektor]

Not trying to get you banned gyno. Don't care that you rmted.

[Buzzed Killer]

You forgot the dick in the mouth.

[Mac Drettj]

No tears on wheels here

[Burgerking]

aren't agatha and jupe very critical of azrael for resorting to petitionquesting so much?

didn't vaporize RMT a shitload on this server and then brag about how he got "scammed" by dazed for trying to RMT with him when he first started here?

this thread was made because god's work are bitter over losing when they thought breaking the alliance would cause holocaust to tumble, when in reality they do pretty much nothing and are nowhere near as much of a factor as azrael was

but they think getting gyno(someone who doesn't play at all) banned is going to do something? lol?

lots of hypocrisy

lol'ing hard over here

This all reeks of honesty. Seen allot of tears shed by Agatha over Azrael petition quest. Also heard something about a vap ooc confession(???) which I cannot confirm or deny as it was before my time here and I'm relying on second hand info.

From the little I've seen about Agatha, it seems he is one of the most disloyal player's on the server, his ties are bound to his emotional state which seems unstable at best.

With that said I don't condone any form of RMT, I'm here to play the game as it was intended not scam any which way I can to get ahead. As our pop increases so will our GM presence, allot of people gonna have to learn to fly straight the hard way.

[Smedy]

You forgot the dick in the mouth.

i chuckled wholeheartedly

pras the whatever is on top right now wurm will continue to buy his way into the heart of "friends"

[Smedy]

actually theirs a spot for you in my heart oh beloved pixel wurm, your chicken bones reach all the way here nawisayin

[Steel Warrior]

You forgot the dick in the mouth.

Confirmed very focused on the d.

[Nirgon]

Recipe for success was:


Ditch Agatha/Ragnaros

Join Holocaust as officer

I see absolutely 0 down side to making that choice

[Mac Drettj]

Did it with sleaze

[Drakaris]

Recipe for success was:


Ditch Agatha/Ragnaros

Join Holocaust as officer

I see absolutely 0 down side to making that choice

The one thing that God's Work echoed for months was that it was not going to be a raiding guild and a group of pals that PvPed together. The message to the members was 'if you want pixels go to Holocaust'. Needless to say there was deal for pixels going on behind the scenes while that message was openly going out to everyone tagged.

Make of that what you want, but considering I'm the type to dislike hypocrisy, you can imagine where I stand.

I don't think I've even logged in for 3-4 weeks now...

[Mac Drettj]

Gods Work. More like unemployed losers, amirite

[Isoroku]

after talking with a bunch of ingame people, im probably not going to be applying to holocaust. I had no idea the amount of RMT that goes on in that guild. And from talking to random members from holocaust that are not officers they dont know either.

amazing really. I almost joined holocaust. I'm not down with the RMT.

[Drakaris]

after talking with a bunch of ingame people, im probably not going to be applying to holocaust. I had no idea the amount of RMT that goes on in that guild. And from talking to random members from holocaust that are not officers they dont know either.

amazing really. I almost joined holocaust. I'm not down with the RMT.

Any top guild will have members that are desperate to sell their pixels for cash, however, as far as I am aware, the leadership in Holocaust actually have jobs and work irl... so it is unlikely they would sell gear for cash to fund themselves, like previous top tier guilds where the leadership are unemployed or have minimal employment...

Are you getting your information from a reliable source? There are plenty of butthurt trolls spreading misinformation at the moment..

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Post history going back to last month.












































Privy to the inner workings of a top tier guild and moving in on the center of an RMT ring.

[Korrupt]

http://i.imgur.com/RyAxj7M.png

lol'd

[Burgerking]

after talking with a bunch of ingame people, im probably not going to be applying to holocaust. I had no idea the amount of RMT that goes on in that guild. And from talking to random members from holocaust that are not officers they dont know either.

amazing really. I almost joined holocaust. I'm not down with the RMT.

Troll alt account, there is no talk on red99 streets of rampant Holocaust RMT'ing that could touch Azrael or God's Work levels.

I talk to people in every guild and I've heard no credible chatter about RMT in Holocaust, was a good try tho.

[Steel Warrior]

Troll alt account, there is no talk on red99 streets of rampant Holocaust RMT'ing that could touch Azrael or God's Work levels.

I talk to people in every guild and I've heard no credible chatter about RMT in Holocaust, was a good try tho.

Start a guild full of newbies where someone needs every single thing that drops. Great source for RMT, right?

[Terpuntine]

Considering Vapo RMT'd 70% of his pixels from Nizzar, Strydur RMT'd his AoN from yeahyyeah and Jupe + Agatha are as dirty as the come Id love to see where this goes.

Also, GW was offered the first Rile that dropped and Vapo said GW was passing and would take one at a later date. I'm sure that info never quite made it to his members tho.

If ppl wanna berger out and play dirty now then by all means lets play ball, I save and record everything.

[daasgoot]

Also, GW was offered the first Rile that dropped and Vapo said GW was passing and would take one at a later date. I'm sure that info never quite made it to his members tho.

lol'd

you so fukin dumb

[Burgerking]

Start a guild full of newbies where someone needs every single thing that drops. Great source for RMT, right?

Exactly man, anyone who thinks Holocaust is an RMT ring can inspect me, I went from gimp to pimp in two months of being Holocaust. I'm a living success story.

[Burgerking]

lol'd

you so fukin dumb

Actually everything he said was 100% accurate, which is why you failed to go into specifics because you can't refute a single word of it with anything but trollish Bullshit.

[Colgate]

lol'd

you so fukin dumb

every single time i'd list out names for shit like pd robes, every time i'd say ryser, zooey, or lazorchicken, vapo would say "no fuck them they're not getting anything"

believe it or not, don't care tbh

we got riles n smiles, all crowns no frowns

[daasgoot]

every single time i'd list out names for shit like pd robes, every time i'd say ryser, zooey, or lazorchicken, vapo would say "no fuck them they're not getting anything"

believe it or not, don't care tbh

we got riles n smiles, all crowns no frowns

riles and smiles you say.. why BK lounge always so mad?

[Colgate]

ur gettin trolled dawg

[Steel Warrior]

lol'd

you so fukin dumb

It's alright man. You're not the first guy who got tricked into thinking his feeder guild was legit. Just get 60 and they'll let you join Rap Game Bill Cosby or The Mighty Ducks or something.

[daasgoot]

BK trolling himself bruh.

[daasgoot]

It's alright man. You're not the first guy who got tricked into thinking his feeder guild was legit. Just get 60 and they'll let you join Rap Game Bill Cosby or The Mighty Ducks or something.

You still mad about that time i didn't kill you? Shits funny.

[Steel Warrior]

BK trolling himself bruh.

Alternately, you could suck it up and realize that you'll get to kill dragons, get geared up, and get a full spell book if you join Holocaust.

I heard something about Holo crootin.

[daasgoot]

Alternately, you could suck it up and realize that you'll get to kill dragons, get geared up, and get a full spell book if you join Holocaust.

I heard something about Holo crootin.

just threw up in my mouth.

[Burgerking]

BK trolling himself bruh.

Everything we told you about Azrael came true , and still you got your fiddle out singing they're praises. You're like a dog who just got traded from bad owner to worse. I'm sure you'll see great gains in Gods Work.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001716967/2754610628_barack_obama_sucka_drank_the_kool_aid_d idnt_ya_xlarge.jpeg

[Steel Warrior]

You still mad about that time i didn't kill you? Shits funny.

Yeah, I'm so mad that I'm suggesting you join the guild where I'll say, "Welcome Groot!" I'm really pissed that these guys are helping me get my epic and Cobalt and Indicolite armor and teaching me how to pvp on a melee.

I will never recover from the rustle.

[Steel Warrior]

just threw up in my mouth.

Cool. Well, enjoy that thing where you sit in Karnor's Castle and pick off porters until our force shows up and then you plug. See you there, champ.

[Silent]

It takes 40-60 holo a couple hours just to drop PD druushk and xygoz I assume from past experience but I blame the new players for that, the ones who constantly afk/sit while a train is pulled (lava drakes for instance, while afk/idiots sit and get social aggro and wipe the raid), Only to mass port DL after and raid KC to kick 0-3 of us out of the castle like you accomplished something, 15 minutes later only 5 or less holo are left in KC and they get deaded.

As for gains, God's work gets no loot for any of its new members according to latest propaganda. We make ZERO gains, We are all best in slot geared so all the new apps don't get SHIT for loot. Fewer mouths to feed u kno? Shit gets done, people get levels, People get VP keys/epics. I don't see any GW members oocing for exp groups, plenty from holo though but that might just because you make up almost half the server.






HOLO CROOTIN, OPEN DOORS 24/7 JOIN UP NOW, GET UR GEAR GET STACKED UP





Grats GW on more loot that people say we don't get for our new members. Don't get me wrong, Plenty of friends in holo and we know where we stand in game to each other. FQ is a whole nother game.

http://i.imgur.com/faupIQg.jpg

[Mac Drettj]

grats on nagafen

[Silent]

thx. naggy was fun slaying on a 60.

[Nirgon]

grats Magus Rokyl and phinny

[Burgerking]

It takes 40-60 holo a couple hours just to drop PD druushk and xygoz I assume from past experience but I blame the new players for that, the ones who constantly afk/sit while a train is pulled (lava drakes for instance, while afk/idiots sit and get social aggro and wipe the raid), Only to mass port DL after and raid KC to kick 0-3 of us out of the castle like you accomplished something, 15 minutes later only 5 or less holo are left in KC and they get deaded.

As for gains, God's work gets no loot for any of its new members according to latest propaganda. We make ZERO gains, We are all best in slot geared so all the new apps don't get SHIT for loot. Fewer mouths to feed u kno? Shit gets done, people get levels, People get VP keys/epics. I don't see any GW members oocing for exp groups, plenty from holo though but that might just because you make up almost half the server.

One question?

Is that how you saw things in Nihilum?

Glad you adopted that selfish strategy once you had 8 BIS characters. Good to know you only have a problem with zergs after you benefited from them. Your credibility would destroy your political career, but your ability to bullshit is insurmountable.



HOLO CROOTIN, OPEN DOORS 24/7 JOIN UP NOW, GET UR GEAR GET STACKED UP





Grats GW on more loot that people say we don't get for our new members. Don't get me wrong, Plenty of friends in holo and we know where we stand in game to each other. FQ is a whole nother game.

http://i.imgur.com/faupIQg.jpg

[Burgerking]

It takes 40-60 holo a couple hours just to drop PD druushk and xygoz I assume from past experience but I blame the new players for that, the ones who constantly afk/sit while a train is pulled (lava drakes for instance, while afk/idiots sit and get social aggro and wipe the raid), Only to mass port DL after and raid KC to kick 0-3 of us out of the castle like you accomplished something, 15 minutes later only 5 or less holo are left in KC and they get deaded.

As for gains, God's work gets no loot for any of its new members according to latest propaganda. We make ZERO gains, We are all best in slot geared so all the new apps don't get SHIT for loot. Fewer mouths to feed u kno? Shit gets done, people get levels, People get VP keys/epics. I don't see any GW members oocing for exp groups, plenty from holo though but that might just because you make up almost half the server.






HOLO CROOTIN, OPEN DOORS 24/7 JOIN UP NOW, GET UR GEAR GET STACKED UP





Grats GW on more loot that people say we don't get for our new members. Don't get me wrong, Plenty of friends in holo and we know where we stand in game to each other. FQ is a whole nother game.

http://i.imgur.com/faupIQg.jpg

bah posted in your quote it was so long...

One question?

Is that how you saw things in Nihilum?

Glad you adopted that selfish strategy once you had 8 BIS characters. Good to know you only have a problem with zergs after you benefited from them. Your credibility would destroy your political career, but your ability to bullshit is insurmountable.

[Nirgon]

We're all farming armor in Velious anyway

Your bis Kunark chars will demand they take everything first in Velious

/shrug

Holo loot system is very good, we spread it around

[Colgate]

It takes 40-60 holo a couple hours just to drop PD druushk and xygoz I assume from past experience but I blame the new players for that, the ones who constantly afk/sit while a train is pulled (lava drakes for instance, while afk/idiots sit and get social aggro and wipe the raid), Only to mass port DL after and raid KC to kick 0-3 of us out of the castle like you accomplished something, 15 minutes later only 5 or less holo are left in KC and they get deaded.

what is this even referring to? i thought you guys knew the timers???

xygoz and druushk don't even spawn on the same day as PD u morang

[Steel Warrior]

So those cloaks were awarded to a couple of new members in rags, or..?

[Mac Drettj]

They crowned the pixel smaug with a false treaty

Now it's time he becomes true to himself and slips into his filthy slime covered suede shoes

[Knuckle]

clean pixels knuckle will rise amidst the ashes as warlord and only unbanned 50+ toon. rip vibrate + croots

[magician]

lol

some big nerds up in here - can someone shut bubble boy up?

[Drakaris]

lol

some big nerds up in here - can someone shut bubble boy up?

Always liked bubble-boy, and I understand this is what a few people really wanted because they got sick of the revolving door of Nihilum, but this is the nature of the server. If you want to contest, you need numbers and to get numbers you need to recruit people that may not play as much as you and be as good as you.

It is just the way the server works.

[Kergan]

Exactly man, anyone who thinks Holocaust is an RMT ring can inspect me, I went from gimp to pimp in two months of being Holocaust. I'm a living success story.

Well, not to say Holo is RMTing but I did the exact same thing in Nihilum (as did many people) and we know how that story ended.

[Burgerking]

Well, not to say Holo is RMTing but I did the exact same thing in Nihilum (as did many people) and we know how that story ended.

You can't really compare Nihilum to Holocaust, although I haven't been here since day 1 I have been here long enough to remember pop was dismal during Nihilum's reign.

The server has only turned around in population since Holocaust was reborn. Same may say that's due to Nihilum's disappearance, other's give Holocaust the credit for this turn around.

Either way one things for certain, Nihilum was bad for red99, and since Holocaust has been in charge the server has done nothing but thrive.

[Kergan]

To be honest with you I give more credit to the time of year and Nihilum being disbanded then Holo for the population increase. I will say that Holo hasn't fucked up the opportunity like Azrael did though, which is enough to give Holo some credit.

[Burgerking]

To be honest with you I give more credit to the time of year and Nihilum being disbanded then Holo for the population increase. I will say that Holo hasn't fucked up the opportunity like Azrael did though, which is enough to give Holo some credit.

Nope I think only a fool could think Nihilum disbanding would be a cause of sudden a bolstered population, when Azrael controlled the server for 2 months without a change in server pop.

I'll show you why in Socratic method.

Did Holocaust ever refuse a member?

Did Holocaust ever have en extensive elitist applicant process that lorded membership over others, posting denied app's as means of public debasement on the forums?

Did Holocaust ever brag about an overflowing guild bank while pricing hard to get items over 4x there going rate on the server?

Can you think of a single item that was awarded solely from RMT or favoritism over someone who showed more raid participation than another?

Can you give one example of Holocaust letting an item rott rather than awarding it to an available member?

[Burgerking]

syft was a lil aspie earlier this year on the forums but i like dis current syft personality.

Prolly cause were two different humans entirely, but hey if it makes you happy run with it

[Kergan]

Don't go off the deep end. People got fuck tons of loot in Nihilum, anything they wanted. DKP was transparent man, nobody was getting crowns of rile and shit for RMT and nobody cared about the rest of it. The RMT'd loot was crap nobody wanted when it dropped and nobody wanted to buy for alts. Nihilum also never refused a member. Nothing rotted that people needed, ever. Epic pieces were typically looted by senior members and MQ to people when they completed the application process (sometimes not even that long). Droppable items went to the guild bank over apps in most cases, but the app process took all of like 2 weeks for an active player and if you can't commit to a guild that long you don't deserve jack shit.

There really wasn't much of a regard for anyone not in Nihilum though, I will give you that. 4x the price on items was just to sell to desperate buyers, the rate to buy it in guild was super cheap.

Nihilum may have been bad for the server but it isn't because of anything you said. There was 0 effort put into growing the population, getting people to come play, helping out low level players, etc. It was basically, if you want our help then join us otherwise fuck off. But if you joined, you were helped plenty and nobody was turned away.

Don't revise history dude, you have plenty of shit to call out Nihilum on but stop pretending you had to buy your items via RMT or it was some sort of elitist group giving only loot to their pals.

The chart that was posted showing server population shows a big spike the week after Nihilum was disbanded, long before Holo was the guild it is now. Holo has done a good job maintaining the momentum and slowly pushing the population upwards instead of being douchebags and letting the server regress and I give them a lot of credit for that.

[Burgerking]

Don't go off the deep end. People got fuck tons of loot in Nihilum, anything they wanted. DKP was transparent man, nobody was getting crowns of rile and shit for RMT and nobody cared about the rest of it. The RMT'd loot was crap nobody wanted when it dropped and nobody wanted to buy for alts. Nihilum also never refused a member. Nothing rotted that people needed, ever. Epic pieces were typically looted by senior members and MQ to people when they completed the application process (sometimes not even that long). Droppable items went to the guild bank over apps in most cases, but the app process took all of like 2 weeks for an active player and if you can't commit to a guild that long you don't deserve jack shit.

There really wasn't much of a regard for anyone not in Nihilum though, I will give you that. 4x the price on items was just to sell to desperate buyers, the rate to buy it in guild was super cheap.

Nihilum may have been bad for the server but it isn't because of anything you said. There was 0 effort put into growing the population, getting people to come play, helping out low level players, etc. It was basically, if you want our help then join us otherwise fuck off. But if you joined, you were helped plenty and nobody was turned away.

Don't revise history dude, you have plenty of shit to call out Nihilum on but stop pretending you had to buy your items via RMT or it was some sort of elitist group giving only loot to their pals.

The chart that was posted showing server population shows a big spike the week after Nihilum was disbanded, long before Holo was the guild it is now. Holo has done a good job maintaining the momentum and slowly pushing the population upwards instead of being douchebags and letting the server regress and I give them a lot of credit for that.

I'm not revising history I'm accurately portraying it, I'm sorry there is a huge disparity between your memory and facts.

I never said Nihilum needed to buy items via RMT allot of people geared up through Nihilum. But Nihilum was never dedicated to bolstering server population there goals were purely selfishly motivated.

Nihilums bank looked like an episode of hoarders while holocaust bank looks like an episode of pawn stars, stuff comes in and goes out just as fast.

Nihilum did refuse many members publicly going so far as to post their apps on the forums, Holocaust doesn't have an applicant process.

Nihilums leader loved nothing more than to post his success and gloat over the guilds with less, I can't even find a recent post by Gongshow.

Nihilum let items rot to teach guild members a lesson about participation. Our officers are honestly distraught when an item rots and ask 20 times in guild desperately before the timer is up.

The two guilds are honestly like night and day, and i think anyone with a reason and rationale can see why Holocaust is directly responsible for the servers current momentum. We've even made the GM's believe in Red again, which is quite frankly amazing.

[Drakaris]

Don't go off the deep end. People got fuck tons of loot in Nihilum, anything they wanted. DKP was transparent man, nobody was getting crowns of rile and shit for RMT and nobody cared about the rest of it. The RMT'd loot was crap nobody wanted when it dropped and nobody wanted to buy for alts. Nihilum also never refused a member. Nothing rotted that people needed, ever. Epic pieces were typically looted by senior members and MQ to people when they completed the application process (sometimes not even that long). Droppable items went to the guild bank over apps in most cases, but the app process took all of like 2 weeks for an active player and if you can't commit to a guild that long you don't deserve jack shit.

There really wasn't much of a regard for anyone not in Nihilum though, I will give you that. 4x the price on items was just to sell to desperate buyers, the rate to buy it in guild was super cheap.

Nihilum may have been bad for the server but it isn't because of anything you said. There was 0 effort put into growing the population, getting people to come play, helping out low level players, etc. It was basically, if you want our help then join us otherwise fuck off. But if you joined, you were helped plenty and nobody was turned away.

Don't revise history dude, you have plenty of shit to call out Nihilum on but stop pretending you had to buy your items via RMT or it was some sort of elitist group giving only loot to their pals.

The chart that was posted showing server population shows a big spike the week after Nihilum was disbanded, long before Holo was the guild it is now. Holo has done a good job maintaining the momentum and slowly pushing the population upwards instead of being douchebags and letting the server regress and I give them a lot of credit for that.

Meh anything is better than Azrael being #1... just saying...

[Kergan]

I'm not revising history I'm accurately portraying it, I'm sorry there is a huge disparity between your memory and facts.

I never said Nihilum needed to buy items via RMT allot of people geared up through Nihilum. But Nihilum was never dedicated to bolstering server population there goals were purely selfishly motivated.

Nihilums bank looked like an episode of hoarders while holocaust bank looks like an episode of pawn stars, stuff comes in and goes out just as fast.

Nihilum did refuse many members publicly going so far as to post their apps on the forums, Holocaust doesn't have an applicant process.

Nihilums leader loved nothing more than to post his success and gloat over the guilds with less, I can't even find a recent post by Gongshow.

Nihilum let items rot to teach guild members a lesson about participation. Our officers are honestly distraught when an item rots and ask 20 times in guild desperately before the timer is up.

The two guilds are honestly like night and day, and i think anyone with a reason and rationale can see why Holocaust is directly responsible for the servers current momentum. We've even made the GM's believe in Red again, which is quite frankly amazing.

Were you in Nihilum?

[vouss]

I'd say Holo is pretty much the same as Nihilum.

[Burgerking]

Were you in Nihilum?

Nope but there are two relevant facts I can't Ignore

A. Nihilum ruled the server for what 2 years?

B. The population on red remained dismal for two years

Which leads to only one logical conclusion. Nihilum while being good for it's guild members was bad for the server.

Following that same logic I see the reverse.

A. Holocaust has ruled the server for 3 months

B. The server population has increased more in the past 3 months than the past 3 years.

Which leads me to believe Holocaust is good for the server. You could debate that but it would go against empirical evidence and logical deduction.

[Silent]

Never saw anyone in nihilum purposely destroy an item someone couldn't loot, I know at one point there were rumors about who was it ezpk having VP trash weapons deleted because he was still an app? Thats the only thing I know about, and since that post everyone has changed the story countless times til it turned into "nizzar and nihilum officers destroyed loot infront of new recruits rather then gear them up unless they past the process".

VP weapons are a dime a dozen, pretty sure ezpk picked up ALL of them while the propaganda was being spread.

And yes you can easily compare Nihilum to Holocaust, Considering Holo has most of its nihi members with the smaller portion being in god's work. Along with Holo being the biggest guild on the server, currently controlling almost every world boss + VP recruiting anything that moves(same thing nihilum did, coincidence? need new bodies for each one that quits or gears up and goes casual/mia)

Holocaust bank isn't overflowing with loot selling it at 3x the cost because they are still working on gearing up a revolving door of players, Who is to say it would not take another YEAR of kunark to gear up all of their core members + raid day login people while passing out pieces of gear here and there to new recruits. But say they did have the loot banked up like nihilum did, Nihilum had kept trak bp, vs legs and other items on lock from farming so long there was NO PLACE ELSE you could acquire them, so they determined the prices and yes people bought them dont act like no one did. You either went to nihilum and got your gear eventually or you bought the items on guild auctions.

The day holo has a couple RBB/CoF/DHB banked, with 1-2 of each BP/legs they will have succeeded in becoming nihilum. How long until they can be so careful with who/what new app they award loot to, including epic MQs? Charlatan comes to mind, I bet he still has his soul leech sitting on his char untouched because he couldn't sell it quick enough to get back to blue and might come back at a later time. Had a SK officer/leader looted that instead to MQ like was done in nihilum it wouldn't have happened. You can say oh well we have CT on lock so well get more, Yes you probably will but you got crazy good luck with the multiple SL right off the start. Any of the members from nihilum knows how loot can go, months without seeing an AoN or soul leech, sow sword, crown etc.

read the post, then reply tldr and know im right.

[Colgate]

ya i didn't read that shit l0l

[Silent]

RNF perfect place for wall of text to explain, only for trolls to tldr wah wah drug induced drivel. Stop being so mad.

[Burgerking]

Never saw anyone in nihilum purposely destroy an item someone couldn't loot, I know at one point there were rumors about who was it ezpk having VP trash weapons deleted because he was still an app? Thats the only thing I know about, and since that post everyone has changed the story countless times til it turned into "nizzar and nihilum officers destroyed loot infront of new recruits rather then gear them up unless they past the process".

That's about as far as I got, luckily it's all i needed to prove you're totally full of shit.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img904/8093/eH3ZRH.jpg

I know drugs are a powerful mind altering agent but HTF can you be so high as to blatantly lie about something your guild leader posted as guild policy?

[Silent]

So what is that post proving again? a work in progress system for an expansion that had not even been released yet and was probably going to be revised another 50 times let alone never be perfect. What does it have to do with anything about loot being destroyed? Part of it was to force new members and apps to take loot that were deemed huge enough upgrades so they could not horde DKP to spend on that one big NToV dragon item while in kunark rags.

Grats on posting a picture of a post made by Nizzar, Can see your still all up on his cock.

[Fame]

Progress.

[Burgerking]

So what is that post proving again? a work in progress system for an expansion that had not even been released yet and was probably going to be revised another 50 times let alone never be perfect. What does it have to do with anything about loot being destroyed? Part of it was to force new members and apps to take loot that were deemed huge enough upgrades so they could not horde DKP to spend on that one big NToV dragon item while in kunark rags.

Grats on posting a picture of a post made by Nizzar, Can see your still all up on his cock.

Proves your totally full of shit and delusional as fuck if you think anybody is gonna take your word over the guild leaders.

[Kergan]

Again, if you can't put two weeks into a guild before you get loot you don't deserve shit. Arguing that just makes you look dumb. You also have no idea the history behind that post and why that policy was made because you weren't in the guild and have no idea what you're talking about.

I never said Nihilum was good for the server, I just said the majority of what you posted was full of shit (which it is). Nihilum didn't care about other guilds/unguilded people but members were treated well and got whatever they wanted, even with shitty raid attendance.

And I really hope you're never put in the position to test any sort of hypothesis. You talk about empirical evidence and logic but yet you don't even talk about several other factors which could help explain population growth. I'd love to see a timeline of events. Average population at a given time for the two weeks prior to Nihilum disbanding, the two weeks after Nihilum disbanding, and then every week up until now excluding the last week due to the blue shut down. My guess is you see a big spike after Nihilum was disbanded and slow growth since then. Holo is doing good things, but only a jackass would beat his chest in here and take all the credit.

You go off on these tangents man, one minute posting something decent the next pretending you know all sorts of shit that you have no idea about and proclaiming it fact while attacking anyone who disagrees with you.

[Runya]

I thought exp bonus spiked the population.....idk =p

[Eslade]

Fuck.
I agree with Kergan.








I'm going to go reevaluate my life.

[Burgerking]

Again, if you can't put two weeks into a guild before you get loot you don't deserve shit. Arguing that just makes you look dumb. You also have no idea the history behind that post and why that policy was made because you weren't in the guild and have no idea what you're talking about.

I never said Nihilum was good for the server, I just said the majority of what you posted was full of shit (which it is). Nihilum didn't care about other guilds/unguilded people but members were treated well and got whatever they wanted, even with shitty raid attendance.

And I really hope you're never put in the position to test any sort of hypothesis. You talk about empirical evidence and logic but yet you don't even talk about several other factors which could help explain population growth. I'd love to see a timeline of events. Average population at a given time for the two weeks prior to Nihilum disbanding, the two weeks after Nihilum disbanding, and then every week up until now excluding the last week due to the blue shut down. My guess is you see a big spike after Nihilum was disbanded and slow growth since then. Holo is doing good things, but only a jackass would beat his chest in here and take all the credit.

You go off on these tangents man, one minute posting something decent the next pretending you know all sorts of shit that you have no idea about and proclaiming it fact while attacking anyone who disagrees with you.

I don't need to argue it, everyday i log in and see the pop increased and that proves my point for me.

We just have a different mentality than Nihilum, we don't think a new member has to prove they're worth. If an item drops and it's they're main and they need it they get it. Even if they're a day one member. We aren't mad if someone gears up and leaves, we look at it as they put they're time in and they earned those items.

Our guildleader doesn't expect the members to be grateful for attending raids and having a chance at loot. Gongshow thanks the members for attending raids. It's something you can't really quantify in pixels or gains, and someone who just wants to raid for selfish ends wouldn't get it.

If any of that changed in Holocaust if it one day did become Nihilum in ideology that would be the day I disband. I'm not like you I won't support something simply because it's good for me when it's bad for everyone else.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Gyro is clean as fuck. He doesn't even know what rmt means. He earned all his chicken bones thru fair and clean in game dealing.

[Smedy]

Recipe for success was:

Ditch Agatha/Ragnaros

Join Holocaust as officer

I see absolutely 0 down side to making that choice

I've been told that agatha is running operations in gods work, without him they would simply not be a factor.

Considering Vapo RMT'd 70% of his pixels from Nizzar, Strydur RMT'd his AoN from yeahyyeah and Jupe + Agatha are as dirty as the come Id love to see where this goes.

Also, GW was offered the first Rile that dropped and Vapo said GW was passing and would take one at a later date. I'm sure that info never quite made it to his members tho.

If ppl wanna berger out and play dirty now then by all means lets play ball, I save and record everything.

never forget who you're dealing with here kids

So those cloaks were awarded to a couple of new members in rags, or..?

gods work making nagafen gainz with bis characters isn't impressive but better than azrael doing nothing in game and having to watch our guildleader go off the deep end posting pictures of himself transitioning into a tranny

tldr: box never been better, pras haynar

[Colgate]

no? u have any reading comprehension?

[Nirgon]

NIRGON IS AN OFFICER? ROFLLLLLLL


zero aspberger flare ups here bros (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1597969#post1597969)

[Steel Warrior]

Do I have to all you sir now?

[Kergan]

I don't need to argue it, everyday i log in and see the pop increased and that proves my point for me.

We just have a different mentality than Nihilum, we don't think a new member has to prove they're worth. If an item drops and it's they're main and they need it they get it. Even if they're a day one member. We aren't mad if someone gears up and leaves, we look at it as they put they're time in and they earned those items.

Our guildleader doesn't expect the members to be grateful for attending raids and having a chance at loot. Gongshow thanks the members for attending raids. It's something you can't really quantify in pixels or gains, and someone who just wants to raid for selfish ends wouldn't get it.

If any of that changed in Holocaust if it one day did become Nihilum in ideology that would be the day I disband. I'm not like you I won't support something simply because it's good for me when it's bad for everyone else.

It's Holo's choice not to have apps if that is indeed what is happening. No full member in Nihilum would ever have loot destroyed in their face. I'd like to see an actual former Nihilum member reply to this thread and say they felt mistreated by loot distribution. You have several former Nihilum members in your guild, in fact every single member of your leadership aside from Colgate was in that guild.

It sounds like you've played here for about 6 months, blame Nihilum for every problem R99 has ever had and are unwilling to be convinced the majority you believe about Nihilum is bullshit. Whatever man, it's pointless to try with you. You get an idea in your head and that is the end of it. You say things like "we have a different mentality than Nihilum". You have no idea the mentality Nihilum had because you were never in it. You are making judgements based on second hand accounts and bullshit posted in RNF.

[Fame]

Seems like only yesterday Kergan showed up on the scene.. Makes me feel nostalgic and shit, you've come a long way pal. Fuck Nihi tho :D

[Kergan]

I'm glad the Nihilum run is over. The server was never going to grow with Nihilum running the show. I felt Azrael was even worse and that proved to be true. Holocaust is doing a good job, but it just ain't my thing the way it's built. I'd love a RZ like setup with 5+ 20 man guilds making alliances and shit for raid mobs but it's a pipe dream...so now I'm just a FQer.

[Smedy]

never say never, everquest is a place where boys become men about it

[Fame]

5+ 20 man guilds making alliances and shit for raid mobs but it's a pipe dream...so now I'm just a FQer.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Bill-Murray-Laughs-Then-Turns-Sad.gif

[Silent]

Couldn't agree more, Glad nihilum was force disbanded, It was exactly what red needed for new guilds to emerge. I have no doubt its part of the reason the population has slowly gained momentum, but at the same time we have blue players coming over on a daily basis. Some don't make it far with no friends/support system, others enjoy it and find a guild like fresh or holo and go for it. The special blue neckbeards who can sock it out and deal with pvp or better yet enjoy pvp are the ones that are going to be the best additions.

[Burgerking]

It's Holo's choice not to have apps if that is indeed what is happening. No full member in Nihilum would ever have loot destroyed in their face. I'd like to see an actual former Nihilum member reply to this thread and say they felt mistreated by loot distribution. You have several former Nihilum members in your guild, in fact every single member of your leadership aside from Colgate was in that guild.

It sounds like you've played here for about 6 months, blame Nihilum for every problem R99 has ever had and are unwilling to be convinced the majority you believe about Nihilum is bullshit. Whatever man, it's pointless to try with you. You get an idea in your head and that is the end of it. You say things like "we have a different mentality than Nihilum". You have no idea the mentality Nihilum had because you were never in it. You are making judgements based on second hand accounts and bullshit posted in RNF.

Hey man your guild leader posted that as guild policy lol I mean that's a pretty rough one to get around. Sorry but I have to believe the Guild Leader over a member, when they say that's the way shit goes.

It's not like i'm implying shit here, it was direct excerpt from the guild leader about how loot distribution goes. It's like telling me the guy on video stealing shit isn't actually stealing shit. Nizzar said he'd rather delete shit then give it to an app.

I can say we have a different mentality because we do everything different than that post about guild loot distribution. LOL we don;t let alt's buy shit over mains that's the greediest shit I ever heard, Mains always get loot over alts, everytime.

[LostCause]

Hey man your guild leader posted that as guild policy lol I mean that's a pretty rough one to get around. Sorry but I have to believe the Guild Leader over a member, when they say that's the way shit goes.

It's not like i'm implying shit here, it was direct excerpt from the guild leader about how loot distribution goes. It's like telling me the guy on video stealing shit isn't actually stealing shit. Nizzar said he'd rather delete shit then give it to an app.

I can say we have a different mentality because we do everything different than that post about guild loot distribution. LOL we don;t let alt's buy shit over mains that's the greediest shit I ever heard, Mains always get loot over alts, everytime.
Go hide in a corner nobody

[Widan]

Do you not realize Holocaust has the most ex-Nihilum members on the server?

[Drakaris]

But if you go by ratio, gods work has even more ;)

[Smedy]

considering 90% of box has been dirty and set foot in nihium at one point in time there's very few white knights left, ofcourse i'm one of them, jesus is real folks

[magician]

I'm also a white knight. And ex nilly dukes man. My whistle is squeaky clean, feels goog

[Sektor]

ya i didn't read that shit l0l

[LulzSect]

Birds of the obese feather obese together

[Silent]

Go hide in a corner nobody

[Thrilla]

I don't need to argue it, everyday i log in and see the pop increased and that proves my point for me.

We just have a different mentality than Nihilum, we don't think a new member has to prove they're worth. If an item drops and it's they're main and they need it they get it. Even if they're a day one member. We aren't mad if someone gears up and leaves, we look at it as they put they're time in and they earned those items.

Our guildleader doesn't expect the members to be grateful for attending raids and having a chance at loot. Gongshow thanks the members for attending raids. It's something you can't really quantify in pixels or gains, and someone who just wants to raid for selfish ends wouldn't get it.

If any of that changed in Holocaust if it one day did become Nihilum in ideology that would be the day I disband. I'm not like you I won't support something simply because it's good for me when it's bad for everyone else.

Part of the attraction to EQ for pixel smaugs is the exclusivity of items, if not EQ would be WoW. I think that might change for Velious, but who knows.. I don't think anybody wants to give key pixels to people who aren't fully invested or committed to a guild. I was in Nilly for 3 years and I never saw an item of non relevance rot (ie planar drops)

Actually the only one I do specifically remember is the Xygoz spear for Shaman's that poofed on Vayden, a week later he quit. Everybody runs guilds differently and in their own way, but you have to adjust to the timelime for these expansions and pick your battles.

[heartbrand]

Part of the attraction to EQ for pixel smaugs is the exclusivity of items, if not EQ would be WoW. I think that might change for Velious, but who knows.. I don't think anybody wants to give key pixels to people who aren't fully invested or committed to a guild. I was in Nilly for 3 years and I never saw an item of non relevance rot (ie planar drops)

Actually the only one I do specifically remember is the Xygoz spear for Shaman's that poofed on Vayden, a week later he quit. Everybody runs guilds differently and in their own way, but you have to adjust to the timelime for these expansions and pick your battles.

I think the biggest difference between p99 and live, beyond pop/timeline, was that being in an end game guild was actually "elite." You had to app for an extended period of time, know your class, perform well, have a certain RA %, not be a complete douchebag, etc. There was usually a guild charter, votes on members, written rules. Being part of the guild felt like something. Here it's just, "hey u wanna join the end game guild? kool, welcum aboard croot"

[Eslade]

I think the biggest difference between p99 and live, beyond pop/timeline, was that being in an end game guild was actually "elite." You had to app for an extended period of time, know your class, perform well, have a certain RA %, not be a complete douchebag, etc. There was usually a guild charter, votes on members, written rules. Being part of the guild felt like something. Here it's just, "hey u wanna join the end game guild? kool, welcum aboard croot"

Also have to remember that a lot of people had a lot more time to waste on a video game fifteen years ago. Everyone on this server is from the most elite guild of their respective servers though.

[heartbrand]

Also have to remember that a lot of people had a lot more time to waste on a video game fifteen years ago. Everyone on this server is from the most elite guild of their respective servers though.

Really? I dunno I think most of us were in school back then and prolly played a lot less than we do now. I know this is a generalization.

[SamwiseRed]

i like to raid with cool and normal people.

[SamwiseRed]

*who play sports.

[heartbrand]

While it felt like I played a ton, I really only got to play on weekends back in classic, and even then only for so many hours. Just getting level 50 took me months upon months. I couldn't just call off high school for the week for the next expac like some people here are planning to do with their jobs for Velious.

[SamwiseRed]

true in classic I was on dial up so I only got to play when my mom wasnt on the phone which at most was an hour or two a night. on weekends id maybe play 3-4 hours but back then i used to ride my bike with my bros and do cool and normal stuff. sadly there has been weekends i've spent 6-7 hours logged in at a time. pathetic for sure but I think HB's generalization is on the money.

btw it took me months and months just to hit 20 on one char which I then got banned soon afterwards.

[SamwiseRed]

*sadly, now

fuck no edit rnf. think im gonna read my post before i submit? naw naw naw

[Burgerking]

Go hide in a corner nobody

Who are you? Besides angry all the damned time.

[Genedin]

Sometimes I would sneak into the computer room to play late at night when I was not supposed to. Waiting for that noisy ass modem to dial up, and wondering if it would wake up my parents or not was always a stressful situation. I tried covering computer in blankets and other sound dampening devices but it often still failed.

[Kergan]

Hey man your guild leader posted that as guild policy lol I mean that's a pretty rough one to get around. Sorry but I have to believe the Guild Leader over a member, when they say that's the way shit goes.

It's not like i'm implying shit here, it was direct excerpt from the guild leader about how loot distribution goes. It's like telling me the guy on video stealing shit isn't actually stealing shit. Nizzar said he'd rather delete shit then give it to an app.

I can say we have a different mentality because we do everything different than that post about guild loot distribution. LOL we don;t let alt's buy shit over mains that's the greediest shit I ever heard, Mains always get loot over alts, everytime.

I'm going to do what I know is a pointless exercise and try to explain to you why that policy was put in place and hope there is some sort of rational portion of your brain that is still operational.

When Holo gets to 2+ years old and has members in it with literally 100x the DKP of new members then you can talk to me about what to do about alts. People like Thrilla had 50% RA for 2 years and saw an endless revolving door of new people come and go and were never able to take an item for a second character. He was literally BiS and there was no possible items he could take on his main for over an entire year, yet he kept attending raids to help people like me get gear. That policy was put in place to give someone like him an opportunity to occasionally take an item for an alt.

On top of that, all the dkp was basically going to get reset and a new DKP system put in place. In the old system, items didn't cost you dkp. It was basically tracking raid attendance. In the new one, items would cost between like 5-40 dkp. The most any person could have started with was around 100 dkp when Velious dropped, enough to buy a couple items.

So the dkp reduction combined with a dkp cost on item basically ensured nobody was burning DKP on an alt for many many months, even years. This policy you love to point to as a way for Nihilum to fuck over new members would have never even been used for probably over a year into the Velious timeline, and was done to protect long time members who continue to show up and help out these new members get loot in the first place. Velious raiding aint burning down VS with 60 bro.

As for deleting shit before giving it to an alt...2 weeks dude. Are you so fucking dense that you can't understand why you'd want someone to at least show up for 2 weeks and not be a complete asswipe and/or spy before handing them loot?

Your guild does things different because you haven't had the server on farm status for 2 years. This is why your comparisons are meaningless. If Colgate is BiS and can't take another item to upgrade his monk, and you go 1+ year straight with him showing up 50% of the time, you are gonna sit here and tell me you wouldn't let him take an item on his 2nd character ever? That sounds like a pretty shitty guild to be in.

[Mac Drettj]

can u idiots just take it to tells instead of filling every rnf thread with your back and forth TLDR arguments

jesus fuck

[Kergan]

Nobody is forcing you to click the thread or read them. Just put me on ignore.

[Genedin]

can u idiots just take it to tells instead of filling every rnf thread with your back and forth TLDR arguments

jesus fuck

[Genedin]

I can't not read threads so unfortunately I have to read you trying to explain physics to a dung beetle far too often.

[Eslade]

Can we at least agree that op has failed to deliver the goods?

[Isoroku]

still a 15 page post of nothingness, i feel op has delivered to himself pretty well.

[Burgerking]

can u idiots just take it to tells instead of filling every rnf thread with your back and forth TLDR arguments

jesus fuck

LOL Retti having red withdrawels

http://media.giphy.com/media/QX3QDdgYVPJyo/giphy.gif

[Mac Drettj]

LOL Retti having red withdrawels

http://media.giphy.com/media/QX3QDdgYVPJyo/giphy.gif

played for about half a dragons hp within the last 2 weeks

me not playing has nothing to do with red being down

[Pikrib]

http://i.imgur.com/TEE1k1L.png

I just took Kergan's advice. He kept linking Syft's shit anyway. I don't got time to read this much bergers.