Sleeper World Event

[evogelion]

I realize this is going to make the hardcore raiders mad, because I can imagine when this beta goes live, first thing what will happen is the race to awaken the sleeper and claim that legacy between the raider guilds.

For the rest of us who want to experience the guardians and all of the things, pre-awakening, please make it so he doesn't awaken at least for a while? Maybe make them all respawn? I heard some of the best gear drops off those guys and once he's awake, nobody else can get them..

I like to relive things and try things I never got to do in live and I would like to experience this event.

Thanks :)

[yeaboykk]

I believe Covered in Bees can do it

[Byrjun]

The Sleeper is pretty easy to awaken. The hardest warder is Ventani and he's much easier than AoW, Yelinak, or a bunch of stuff in NToV.

Ventani also drops some of the best gear in Sleeper's Tomb, so he'll probably be killed. What most guilds do is leave Nanzata up since it has the worst loot. The problem with Nanzata is that he's very easy and could be killed by most of the guilds on the server. So once a guild clears ST for loot and leaves with Nanzata up, there's the potential for pretty much any raid guild on the server to wake the Sleeper.

The only "defense" to this so-to-speak is controlling Sleeper's Tomb keys. Getting enough keys to get a raid force into Sleeper's Tomb will be more difficult than actually killing anything in there. In this manner it's similar to Veeshan's Peak, but since there are several raid mobs that drop keys every Class R or Class C guild will have complete access to ST within a few months if we keep the raid class system in Velious.

[Toodles]

This shouldn't be a worry, because we're all about classic. Classic Kerafym had a regeneration issue, hence not killable.

So.. solved.

[Himalayan]

Except on live after he was spawned he was despawned and never came back. Not sure if thats what the crew plan to do here, but thats why it was such a big deal on live.

[Man0warr]

It's not about him being killable - waking him makes the warders stop spawning, which means some of the best loot in Velious goes away.

Hopefully that part won't happen on this server since there is no Luclin.

[khanable]

Doesn't waking the sleep introduce new quests as well? (I'm fuzzy here, but something having to do with turning in the key? are these quests classic?)

It's a shitty situation: wake him, miss out on loot. don't wake him, miss out on loot.

[Man0warr]

There were quests and new warders with different loot but pretty sure they weren't released during velious.

[khanable]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Essence_Lens_Quest

What are the new items on the loot table as well? Doesn't some other crap start dropping?

Either way, still a shitty situation

[cr0ss]

Limit the amount of people in his area. Problem solved!

[Byrjun]

Original loot that stops dropping:

Primal Weapons (http://wiki.project1999.com/Primal_Velium_Weapons) (kinda, can still get them from The Progenitor and The Final Arbiter)
White Resistance Stone (http://wiki.project1999.com/White_Resistance_Stone)
Red Resistance Stone (http://wiki.project1999.com/Red_Resistance_Stone)
Blue Resistance Stone (http://wiki.project1999.com/Blue_Resistance_Stone)
Green Resistance Stone (http://wiki.project1999.com/Green_Resistance_Stone)
Dragon Scaled Mask (http://wiki.project1999.com/Dragon_Scaled_Mask)
Smolder (http://wiki.project1999.com/Smolder)
Staff of the elder Claws (http://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Elder_Claws)
Mask of Tinkering (http://wiki.project1999.com/Mask_of_Tinkering)
Dainty Gloves (http://wiki.project1999.com/Dainty_Gloves)
Staff of the Morning Dew (http://wiki.project1999.com/Staff_of_the_Morning_Dew)
Writ of Dragonkind (http://wiki.project1999.com/Writ_of_Dragonkind)
Sceptre of Destruction (http://wiki.project1999.com/Sceptre_of_Destruction)
Clawed Guardian Bracer (http://wiki.project1999.com/Clawed_Guardian_Bracer)
Shield of the Clawed Guardian (http://wiki.project1999.com/Shield_of_the_Clawed_Guardian)
Shroud of Longevity (http://wiki.project1999.com/Shroud_of_Longevity)
Salindrite Dagger (http://wiki.project1999.com/Salindrite_Dagger)

The classes affected are: Warrior (2x Scepter of Destruction is BIS for aggro), Monk (Shroud of Longevity), and Rogue/Bard (Mask of Tinkering). Melees also for easy Primal weapon farm, but they're still obtainable after the Sleeper is awoken.

Do the Ancients immediately take the place of the Warders when The Sleeper is awoken? Because they still drop some pretty nice stuff. I think the Sleeper was up for awhile on my server so I'm not sure. All the comments on the loot on Allakhazam is from around the same time in 2002 so it makes me think that after the Warders are killed all you can do is turn in your key for the quest piece (which isn't bad, I consider the Essence Earring a BIS for Shamans).

[Veleria]

Classic or no, the warders need to respawn. It basically screws the rest of the server when a singe guild dominates the spawn till they get their toys and then destroy the loot for the rest of the community. This will be a huge problem since there will never be another expansion to set things right.

[triad]

considering one of the top guilds already ruined a sleeper on another locked prog server id say its worth talking about

[ownrage]

I propose sleepersa and sleepersb

Normal keying for original sleepers, then a zone in within sleepersa and additional quest implemented by devs to turn in their sleepersa keys for a sleepersb key.

Obviously sleepersb is itemized for post wakening loots/quests

Make the guild that progresses to sleepersb zone have a lore key that only gives them access to b zone.

Then if guild wants access to sleepersa, they can have alts do it...which is a pita anyways

NOT CLASSIC!!! But at least compromises on all this shit.

[Grimjaw]

or let it play out as the sandbox should

[Gwence]

1) if ventani is easier than yelinek it's coded wrong Ventani should be harder than LY by quite a bit, even Hraashna should be very tough since there will not be any resist boost from aa's or AE songs

2) ancients aren't put in until mid Luclin maybe even later than that

3) all 3 golem bosses will continue to drop primal weapons after sleeper is woken, all the unique drops from the warders will be gone forever

[Bazia]

being able to wake it up is classic

dealwithit

[Chrysus]

Competitive guilds have said all along it's not about the loot, and waking the sleeper is the ultimate competitive achievement. For these reasons, there should be a race to wake the sleeper and ring that golden-egg-laying-goose's neck the moment Velious is released.

[LostCause]

To wake sleeper you need dem keys first gl.

[azeth]

Competitive guilds have said all along it's not about the loot, and waking the sleeper is the ultimate competitive achievement...

can you quote this? no thanks.

[Byrjun]

1) if ventani is easier than yelinek it's coded wrong Ventani should be harder than LY by quite a bit, even Hraashna should be very tough since there will not be any resist boost from aa's or AE songs

I haven't done Sleeper's Tomb here, just going by my own memory from live. Always had a lot more difficulty with stuff like Yelinak and Vyemm. ST dragons were mostly about devising strategies to minimize the AEs. Ventani was one of the more difficult encounters, but it wasn't some "ultimate achievement" to clear ST. It was more like a side prize for farming enough keys.

That said, Yelinak might need some tuning but we haven't been back to mess with it recently. When we were testing it, it didn't really have melee "rounds" it was more like a rapid fire uzi of melee spam.

[Mahande]

AFAIK Gm's have said that waking the sleeper before anyone else has a chance to experience them and populate the world with their loot will be frowned upon... take that as you will.

[Menobank]

I remember doing ST on live when velious came out i hated when they woke sleeper as the wardens despawned and where not put back until SoL. And while the golems may still drop primal weapons. As it currently stands *well used to* that the trash has a chance to drop them as well as the other bosses.

[Mahande]

Bosses always have 1 primal weapon on the loot table, all trash has a chance to drop exquisite and higher

[Thaedrik]

If this were to happen, would it have to be permanent? I thought devs could do anything they wanted on this server - including resetting him if some group of neckbeards tried to screw over the rest of us forevermore.

[Thaedrik]

If this were to happen - why would it have to be forever? Couldn't Rogean+company just reset it after the fact, and smack the peepee of whatever guild(s) did it?

[Arteker]

There were quests and new warders with different loot but pretty sure they weren't released during velious.

revamped sleeper was launcher at luclin expansion in stormhammer server not sure if it was very late 2002 or early 2003 when it went normal servers.

[Byrjun]

Somewhere around October 1st 2002. Ancient loot is still pretty good.

[Thaedrik]

I think the main point that has the most relevance to me, and I would believe the vast majority of the server, is that once he is awoken, primal weapon drops slow to a trickle. A trickle that will likely be monopolized by the same people who woke him to begin with. If there was ever a definition of a dick move, this is it, in big bold red ten-foot high neon letters. Popping him, and attempting to take him down, could be a truely awesome event, and something that would make a great trophy for the case of the uber elites - as long as the horrendous downside could be corrected after the fact. Maybe make him fightable - but zone resets 24 hours later, and the guilds that awoke him are banned from ST for a couple weeks to prevent a repeat.

Awakening him, and screwing the server over forevermore, should (rightfully) destroy the guild/people involve in doing it. I would give zero tolerance, banning all accounts involved in it, forever. Permanently disbanding all guilds who had a member present.

I think all of this could be fixed with a few judicious lines of code - either do no allow the sleeper to be awoken at all, or, make the warders still spawn anyway, after the general nastiness has concluded. Not classic, but allows some guild the chance at mutual pixel masturbation and bragging rights, and at same time doesn't screw over the other 98% of the server.

[blondeattk]

This will just be an inevitable product of being slaves to the silly `classic` mantra.

p99 paradox in a nutshell.

[Lasher]

Make Sleeper itemized and killable with a long respawn

[Ravager]

99.99% sure if Sleeper is awoken, there will be no reset, cuz, not classic. Most you can hope for is another progression server after and then cry about it when that sleeper is awoken too.

[Menobank]

or idk maybe they wont allow sleeper to be awoken at all? since we will never be going beyond velious why even have him be able to be awoken?

[Daldaen]

I'd be very curious to see a server by server list of when the sleeper was woken on each.

How many occured in Velious, how many in Luclin etc.

[Ele]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ragXpWsAI

[Ele]

I'd be very curious to see a server by server list of when the sleeper was woken on each.

How many occured in Velious, how many in Luclin etc.

Found this list (http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp). Can't vouch for accuracy though.

I do know Keepers of the Faith (Prexus) went dick and woke Sleeper in November 2001 before Luclin. Just as other people started getting enough keys to get into ST. https://web.archive.org/web/20011130214943/http://www.keepersofthefaith.org/

Al'Kabor -- I think we all know what happened there.

Which guild (per server) has woken the sleeper?
Al'Kabor
Antonius Bayle
Ayonae Ro - Eternal Wrath (unconfirmed) - date unknown - Guild site(?)
Bertoxxulous
Brell Serillis - Silent Redemption - October 13, 2001 - Guild timeline
Bristlebane
Cazic-Thule
Drinal - Cats in Hats (reported) - date unknown - Guild boards
Druzzil Ro
E'ci
Erollisi Marr - Magister (reported) - November 3, 2001 - Guild site
Fennin Ro
Firiona Vie
Innoruuk
Kane Bayle - multiguild (Evolutia and In Virtue) - September 30, 2003 - EZ Board forum
Karana
Lanys T'Vyl
Luclin
Maelin Starpyre - members of Valoran (non-sanctioned) - October 21, 2003 - forum topic
Mithaniel Marr - Afterlife - September 14, 2001 - Archived News
Morell-Thule
Povar - Triton - November 3, 2001 - Archived News
Prexus
Quellious
Rallos Zek - multiguild (see below) - November 17, 2003 - (see below)
Rodcet Nife - Avatars of Discord / Arcane Legacy (reported) - Looking for more information
Saryrn - Order of the Phoenix (reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild site
Solusek Ro
Stormhammer - Township Rebellion (?) - Appears to be April 20, 2002 - Archived News
Stromm
Sullon Zek
Tallon Zek
Tarew Marr
Terris-Thule
Test
The Nameless - Legacy of Steel - October 25, 2001 - Archived News
The Rathe - Blood of the Spider - July 28, 2001 - News Archive... many Screen shots
The Seventh Hammer - The Dark Exile - (Date unknown)
The Tribunal
Tholuxe Paells
Torvonnilous
Tunare - Talisman - November 1, 2001 - Archived News
Vallon Zek
Vazaelle - Caer Cadarn - June 19, 2002 (probably earlier) - Guild Site (Go to Archives -> "Dragons, and... dragons... and um... dragons, oh my!" (All dates are the same) :/
Veeshan - Fires of Heaven - (Date unknown) - Guild site
Xegony - Inner Circle (Reported) - (Date Unknown) - Guild Site
Xev - Hawkestone - June 6(?), 2003 - I can't find their site.
Zebuxoruk

[ClubnRed]

it'd be sad to see if go, i'd love to get down there and fight some.

[SamwiseRed]

nilbog already said he would not want the sleeper reset. sometimes i hate his classic mentality (mqing epics, recharging, ect) but at least he is consistent and you always know where he stands.

[heartbrand]

I think he said classic is not to reset, but there was a dev poll thread about it that I guess is not binding whatsoever but seemed to point to the *remote possibility* of something being done. Either way I'm sure sleeper will be woken up pretty quick on both servers.

[Grimjaw]

it would be dumb to build a classic server 99% then say "screw the cherry ontop, im going with a banana"

[Kagey]

Druzzil Ro did a great job on leaving sleeper for some time into luclin. Hoss I Believe woke him. Mythic Legion, L`Malla, Novus Invictus I know did not.

[loramin]

It seems like most people have forgotten about this poll:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1194517&highlight=sleeper+poll#post1194517

The 100% classic option only got 28.74% of the votes, so I suspect that wont' be the way the devs go. Personally I liked either:

When Sleeper awakened keys get deleted and possible to cause the tomb to respawn with the warders.
and:
Monthly resets of Sleeper's tomb

I particularly like the latter option because it could potentially mean that all of Norath has to suffer from the Sleeper's rampage on a monthly basis :D

[pharmakos]

pretty sure they'll go full classic despite that poll

[Cranky]

Druzzil Ro did a great job on leaving sleeper for some time into luclin. Hoss I Believe woke him. Mythic Legion, L`Malla, Novus Invictus I know did not.

Seekers

[Ele]

pretty sure they'll go full classic despite that poll

.

Bosses get that veto power.

[loramin]

pretty sure they'll go full classic despite that poll

/shrug

Maybe, but if they planned to do that why would they go through the trouble of creating the poll? Think about it: when was the last time you can remember the devs bothering to create a poll here, or for that matter asking the forum community for any feedback?

It seems to me that the poll was a pretty rare occurrence, and not something the devs would bother with if they just planned to go "full classic". Then again ...

Bosses get that veto power.
Ultimately all we can do is speculate and wait to see.

[pharmakos]

from the first post in that poll thread:

Disclaimer: This poll does not determine anything other than opinion. Nilbog reserves the right to say 'HAH! No.' at anytime.

and we all know Nilbog :)