YT/Leaderboard Proposal

[SamwiseRed]

I think we should look at changing the range of when YT works. I was thinking 46+ because at this point you should be choosing a "side" and have no excuse for not having gear. Also outside a few people, who really cares about soandso killing soandso in Crushbone.

PROS

1. Reduce griefing at lower levels because lets be honest, without YT it wouldnt be half as fun for the griefer.

2. YT scares away new players, noone likes getting owned in front of everyone on the server. Especially from a twink.

3. Because the leaderboards are parsed from YT, this will remove lower levels from being on the killboard/leaderboard.

4. Less plugging, less qq. people are more likely to take it like a man.

5. more screenshots and threads

CONS

1. Less pvp? Less twinks will log in for free kills. also less incentive for lower levels to take a cheap shot.

2. Could make server look dead.

3. makes lower level pvp less fun

4. oggok cleaver stock will go down.

[Eslade]

Dumb idea is dumb.

[SamwiseRed]

explain? this proposal is to help pop and be more new player friendly. i think azrael rotted your brain mang.

[Dis_Still_Mornin]

Fair idea. Won't happen.

[SamwiseRed]

Fair idea. Won't happen.

ty I actually put a lot of thought into while I was taking a shit this morning. I played with the idea of 35+ and other ranges. 46+ seemed like the sweet spot though.

[Juhstin]

Last time I checked, leaderboard is just a friendly thing someone coded. Its in no way something you guys can request be changed for Red99 as its also something that can just be removed as a fuck you to everyone that keeps complaining about the leaderboard.

If everyone cared less about YT when PvP happens it wouldn't be a big deal but everyone has to have an e-peen and think we care when joe schmo gets killed by jane schmo.

[yevea]

e: I was corrected, albeit by someone mad, and no DA idol was used at level 30. I don't know Necros so you can calm down, Eggnogglatte. Next time try responding to my polite questions in /t instead of raging the next day after your ego gets bruised by reading slanderous posts on p99.com.

YT is still dumb, people avoid YTs by eating XP deaths, and the culture that exists behind them shows how retarded most of you are.

[Eslade]

No pvp experience until it hits you like a ton of bricks in com? At least at low levels you have options of where to xp. At 46 you have what? Guk and com? I'd think that it would be a better idea to spread the griefers out than make them all park level 50 toons ready to grief off level 46's with almost no pvp experience.

[SamwiseRed]

No pvp experience until it hits you like a ton of bricks in com? At least at low levels you have options of where to xp. At 46 you have what? Guk and com? I'd think that it would be a better idea to spread the griefers out than make them all park level 50 toons ready to grief off level 46's with almost no pvp experience.

weird because in classic there was pvp all the time with less pop and no YT. you are talking out your ass. by 46 you should know what you are getting into, know your class, no your limits, know how the server works. YT isnt needed at lower levels. give people a chance to figure this shit out.

its easy to quit the server upon getting griefed at 10. you've invested little and have only seen the worse this server has to offer. by 46 you would have hopefully made some friends, saw there are some cool things pvp brings to the plate, and have invested time and effort into your character. you are less likely to get "griefed" because you know there are sometimes no win situations. the thing is, this doesnt limit pvp or anything. your shit just doesnt get announced to the whole world. its a small change that could retain a lot of players.

[Jib]

make YT for level 60 only

[Eslade]

Xp bonus makes it a better idea to leave people alone because you might group with them later. The only people who pvp at those levels, do it for the yt. Take away yt, take out low level pvp. Added difficulty of all of the people that would normally do low level pvp will now have a level 50 ready to gank newly leveled 46's.
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[SamwiseRed]

i think if you are big enough to go into the planes and contest dragons, you are big enough to get dunked on. 46+ seems like the fairest level range. trust me, take a shit and think about it. you will see the light.

[SamwiseRed]

Xp bonus makes it a better idea to leave people alone because you might group with them later. The only people who pvp at those levels, do it for the yt. Take away yt, take out low level pvp.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1285142/ace-ventura-ass-talkin-o.gif

take away lower level pvp or griefing? killing 10s with a fungi aint pvp, its a slaughter. no character at that level can out dps a fungi. by 46 even twinks can be killed. ice comet gonna ice comet regardless of your leet gears.

[GradnerLives]

PVP is fun the whole way up. Some of the best times I had on this server were running 3-4 versus 4-6 in mistmoore when Charles Bronson first started on here with groups ranging from 25-35. Way more of a variance in class abilities and typically gear at that point. Mid 20's - mid 30's pvp best pvp.

Taking away YT doesn't really change how fun that is, but it seems like the presumption behind this change request is that mid level PVP doesn't matter, or that it isn't representative of actual player skill, or that it demotivates people, but these are problems at any level, I'd say even more so 50+ than pre-46.

If there's no YT for those levels, why not no YT period? (I don't support that idea, just saying)

'Picking a Side' doesn't dictate every pvp situation you get into (lots of 1v1's, 1v2's, 3v3's and so on to be had, zerging only happens in dungeons on raid nights). Similarly, prevalence of plugging at the high end game and the general prioritization of targets by class in mass pvp only serves to skew the actual value of YT on the high end. Rich get Richer, Poor get Poorer.

Gear is also not inherent post 46, especially with the rate of XP on this server. My bard was lvl 50+ before he had all his slots filled, even just with bronze and crap. My paladin is part way through the 20's and still has mostly leather/cloth/bronze.

There's also nothing more satisfying than dunking on a fungi twink on a low level alt, ESPECIALLY when they're the type to take YT very seriously and serial plug. When you finally get them, you know how much it hurts them to mar their perfect record. I don't mind eating a couple YT's to get YT on a twink that has a 30-0 record against rag-wearing genuine newbs, because I know it means more to them than it does to me.

This, coming from a bad pvp'er with bad gear who's on the butt end of YT quite commonly. Doesn't change my motivation to jump back in for gudfites. I think all of the issues you've identified are issues with YT in general, not really issues with mid level YT.

Now if plugging could result in a 'cowardly dog' message, we'd have something. Those lvl 30 fungi twinks wouldn't seem so unstoppable and all the stormy weather 'elite pvp'ers' experience would be a bit more obvious to the general public.

[Eslade]

Who said anything about twinks? I have a friend that just started the server, has crap gear and only PvPs for the yt.

Keep it how it is or you'll end up with worse.

[SamwiseRed]

Who said anything about twinks? I have a friend that just started the server, has crap gear and only PvPs for the yt.

Keep it how it is or you'll end up with worse.

bet he plugs too.

this idea didnt just come to me out of nowhere. ive been helping new players and the majority of them dont like the idea of being "humiliated" from the get go. pvp happened before YT, it will continue without it. what i am proposing is that only higher end pvp get broadcasted.

[Pikrib]

Great post Gradner.

Would like to add a change to YT's though. It should be that you have to be lvl 10 to cause a YT or recieve a YT. No more of this lvl 9 killing a lvl 10 and getting a YT for it. Having people sit at lvl 9 with no fear of being YT'd is BS.

[SamwiseRed]

Great post Gradner.

Would like to add a change to YT's though. It should be that you have to be lvl 10 to cause a YT or recieve a YT. No more of this lvl 9 killing a lvl 10 and getting a YT for it. Having people sit at lvl 9 with no fear of being YT'd is BS.

this kinda proves my point that griefers are only motivated by YT. im not trying to eliminate lower level pvp, im trying to eliminate griefing. people go the extra mile to insure they dont get YT'd. fuckin crazy.

[Eslade]

bet he plugs too.

this idea didnt just come to me out of nowhere. ive been helping new players and the majority of them dont like the idea of being "humiliated" from the get go. pvp happened before YT, it will continue without it. what i am proposing is that only higher end pvp get broadcasted.

I get that but you don't seem to get that the people who care enough to twink a level 9 ranger for crushbone yt will just move their operation to the next available xp spot that gives yt. Only you'll have the crushbone, unrest and mm twinks sitting in said zone and you'll have newly leveled 46's with close to no pvp xp getting farmed for yt. Honestly doesn't affect me either way but I don't think you're considering everything.

Friend doesn't know how to plug AFAIK btw.

[Andis]

join blue server

samwise wtf

terrible thread

[SamwiseRed]

I get that but you don't seem to get that the people who care enough to twink a level 9 ranger for crushbone yt will just move their operation to the next available xp spot that gives yt. Only you'll have the crushbone, unrest and mm twinks sitting in said zone and you'll have newly leveled 46's with close to no pvp xp getting farmed for yt. Honestly doesn't affect me either way but I don't think you're considering everything.

Friend doesn't know how to plug AFAIK btw.

pvp is gonna happen before 46 regardless of forum threads, YT, leaderboard, global OOC, Kunark, velious, employment, ect. Why in the world do you have this idea that pvp didnt happen before YT? did you not see my thread i posted a week ago? no YT and pre 46, yet pvp happened and that is only 1/20th of my screenshots maybe?

[rollin5k]

Bitch and moan to get yt now want to get rid of it. Who even cares pop is Fucking great

[SamwiseRed]

who are you? btw not proposing we take away YT. read OP moran.

[Eslade]

pvp is gonna happen before 46 regardless of forum threads, YT, leaderboard, global OOC, Kunark, velious, employment, ect. Why in the world do you have this idea that pvp didnt happen before YT? did you not see my thread i posted a week ago? no YT and pre 46, yet pvp happened and that is only 1/20th of my screenshots maybe?

Ugggg, yes pvp happened before yt. But now that yt is an incentive to pvp for some, it's going to get concentrated into the range that it becomes available if it's threshold is so high. Honestly if it's such a big problem, why not remove it completely? It's the same effect all the way to 60.

[SamwiseRed]

small changes are best changes my friend. i feel that anything radical would be bad considering pop is rising.

[Pikrib]

Samwise, you have to pvp on this server. I would hate to see these new people quit when they are 46 instead of at lvl 10. I wish everyone could stay and enjoy the pvp but if they can't get over being "humiliated" then maybe this server isn't for them.

[Jib]

I dont even read eslades posts anymore not even worth it.

[GradnerLives]

this kinda proves my point that griefers are only motivated by YT. im not trying to eliminate lower level pvp, im trying to eliminate griefing. people go the extra mile to insure they dont get YT'd. fuckin crazy.

The situation described by pikrib (lvl 9 grief on 10's) is actually more a product of YT beginning at a certain level - rather than beginning at lvl 1 like it should - than it is a product of YT not starting until 46.

If you moved the limit to 46, then there would just be lvl 45's with fungis doing the same thing, and probably doing it with more impunity since they're able to control the situation more effectively with a larger HP pool and more access to better gear/clickies etc. Not to mention the fact that it's easier to de-level a planar/epic alt to 45 than it is to delevel them to 9.

[Eslade]

Love you too Jib. How's archeage going?

Also
http://www.showmedaily.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/i-feel-like-im-taking-crazy-pills.gif

[Mac Drettj]

Have p99 sponsored leaderboard. Built in game using existing leaderboard ui. Only way to have 100% accuracy with level type stipulations would be to have DB support.

Nobody cares about 3rd party inconsistent board other than it being a loosely accurate place to see yt while away from norrath. It has no real value atm.

[Eslade]

Have p99 sponsored leaderboard. Built in game using existing leaderboard ui. Only way to have 100% accuracy with level type stipulations would be to have DB support.

Nobody cares about 3rd party inconsistent board other than it being a loosely accurate place to see yt while away from norrath. It has no real value atm.

I can get behind this, also add a flag for a yt opt in that once turned on, can't be turned off.

[Juhstin]

wipe it

[SamwiseRed]

wipe it

best post in thread :)

[Tassador]

We need more ideas from guys that play here 10 hours every 6 months!!! Not even using sarcasm...

[Malevz]

Cons of 46+ YT:
Supergeared griefers get upset, quit playing

Pros of 46+ YT:
Supergeared griefers get upset, quit playing

[Kergan]

Did not read the thread tbo, outside of OP.

I don't understand why every PVP server ever created besides this one has had a built in leaderboard.

That is all.

[GradnerLives]

When you type TBO instead of TBH, it literally makes me clench my teeth.

Y u gotta grammar troll, big kergan. Hurtin me, dog.

[Eslade]

Maybe he means to be ornery?

[Juhstin]

Did not read the thread tbo, outside of OP.

I don't understand why every PVP server ever created besides this one has had a built in leaderboard.

That is all.

Disable YT altogether and let screenshots do the trash talking.

[SamwiseRed]

We need more ideas from guys that play here 10 hours every 6 months!!! Not even using sarcasm...

i play often, just not on my druid. unless i want to buff someone or camp something no reason to log on him.

[Kergan]

When you type TBO instead of TBH, it literally makes me clench my teeth.

Y u gotta grammar troll, big kergan. Hurtin me, dog.

lol sorry will change in the future

[Uuruk]

so OP wants to reduce pvp on a pvp server.

Yep fucking idiot.

[baalzy]

weird because in classic there was pvp all the time with less pop and no YT. you are talking out your ass. by 46 you should know what you are getting into, know your class, no your limits, know how the server works. YT isnt needed at lower levels. give people a chance to figure this shit out.

its easy to quit the server upon getting griefed at 10. you've invested little and have only seen the worse this server has to offer. by 46 you would have hopefully made some friends, saw there are some cool things pvp brings to the plate, and have invested time and effort into your character. you are less likely to get "griefed" because you know there are sometimes no win situations. the thing is, this doesnt limit pvp or anything. your shit just doesnt get announced to the whole world. its a small change that could retain a lot of players.


By level 46 you're expected to have full dropable resist gear and 500-1kpp a day for consumables to be prepared for PvP?

Lets be real here:
Real PvP doesn't begin until 60 because the playing field doesn't even out until you're able to farm and spend that kind of money.

That said, I don't think there should be any change to the YT. I would argue the leaderboard should be modified so that known twinks below level 40 don't get kill credit (at 40 the gear advantage for most twinks is lessened enough that people can at least fight the twinks off in a group. At 30 theres nothing a full group can do unless they have a solid twink or two in their group).

[Burgerking]

I agree only blues want to twink and grief, real pvp'ers enjoy a challenge, and accept the possibility of dying. Pre 46 pvp is bullshit anyways remove it.

[Farzo]

tbh remove server wide yt and make it continent yt only.

also /ooc goes to continent.

[BardPop]

Theres no way for guido to tell who is what level, and Yt showing level would be a violation of /anon. I don't think anyone cares honestly, and anyone who doe overly care that their noobie in rags died to some silver swiftblade wielding ranger is probably better off gone, everyone i talk to got killed at least once and nobody gave a shit. If you want to fix the problem of newbie deaths killing pvp ranking though, just wait for the seasons to come out

[Juhstin]

Get rid of YT altogether to stop plugging and whiners.

[SamwiseRed]

ill admit im a little bias. i dont attack anyone at lower levels unless i'm attacked first. even when i kill people ill offer them a port on my main and say they can stay in zone as long as they leave me alone. i was a griefer in my past life, ask elspeth so i can understand how some would be opposed to this. it was just an idea anyway and since there are hardly any votes I guess its NOT that big of a deal. either all the people who complained to me about it have quit or dont voice their opinion publicly.

[SamwiseRed]

the new anti plug code being worked on may solve this. i especially like the part where all buffs are removed upon zoning with low hp. pras dat.

[GradnerLives]

lol sorry will change in the future

bless u

[Kergan]

Heh I remember on SZ in Luclin era, if you zoned you would always show up on the other side with at minimum the HP totaling the amount of +HP on your gear. So if you were in a full suite of +100 hp gear and zoned at 1% you'd pop up on the other side at like 20-30%. Made people zoneline hug even harder than normal.

p.s. this really has nothing to do with this thread at all

[HippoNipple]

I get that but you don't seem to get that the people who care enough to twink a level 9 ranger for crushbone yt will just move their operation to the next available xp spot that gives yt. Only you'll have the crushbone, unrest and mm twinks sitting in said zone and you'll have newly leveled 46's with close to no pvp xp getting farmed for yt. Honestly doesn't affect me either way but I don't think you're considering everything.

Friend doesn't know how to plug AFAIK btw.

Someone can get level 10+ in one session on this server. If they get harassed by a twink they are more likely to quit if it is there first log in rather than if they are already level 46+. By that time they understand PvP and also realize they can just push through those levels and be out of range soon anyways.

PvP has always existed on this server, even when there was no YT and exp penalty on death. You are assuming how things would be while the OP played during classic and knows PvP still happens with no YT. Do you think Gloinz, Chewie or Salem didn't PvP because there was no YT? They specialized in fucking with people in lower level zones just like the current twinks do today.

[SamwiseRed]

RZ twinks risked losing their gear so it was less of a problem. also noone was MQing epics and shit back then so a twink back in the old days was hardly the twinks you see on red. if you saw a low level rogue with epic, he was deleveled and it wasnt common.

SZ had no level range so twinks (didnt see many) could just get rolled by a higher level.

here we have 2 years of kunark with the biggest beards on the internet. therefore twinks have all the advantages with zero risk. if we can discourage griefers by removing YT at low levels, I think it would only be a positive thing for the server. maybe they will log back on their mains and contest.

[Mac Drettj]

the new anti plug code being worked on may solve this. i especially like the part where all buffs are removed upon zoning with low hp. pras dat.

Anti plug code will make this server a baron wasteland

Worst idea in last 3 years tbh

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Anti plug code will make this server a baron wasteland

Worst idea in last 3 years tbh

Yup.

When I plug it's because I'm trying to avoid a gruelling cr not because in are about my ratio. Don't play enough to want to spend my time running everywhere

[Kergan]

Just respawn with gear after PVP death.

Shit is supposed to be fun.

[Eslade]

Someone can get level 10+ in one session on this server. If they get harassed by a twink they are more likely to quit if it is there first log in rather than if they are already level 46+. By that time they understand PvP and also realize they can just push through those levels and be out of range soon anyways.

PvP has always existed on this server, even when there was no YT and exp penalty on death. You are assuming how things would be while the OP played during classic and knows PvP still happens with no YT. Do you think Gloinz, Chewie or Salem didn't PvP because there was no YT? They specialized in fucking with people in lower level zones just like the current twinks do today.

Ok, so then what would be the point of removing yt to 46+? Before yt, people just took screenshots. I doubt that they sat twinks at level 10 just to grief noobs.
Yt is a motivator and all that moving it to 46+ will do is concentrate more twinks in a level range.

I still think a one time activation of a yt switch is the best idea. Don't want to participate in getting or receiving yt? Don't activate the switch.

[HippoNipple]

Ok, so then what would be the point of removing yt to 46+? Before yt, people just took screenshots. I doubt that they sat twinks at level 10 just to grief noobs.
Yt is a motivator and all that moving it to 46+ will do is concentrate more twinks in a level range.


The point of the OP was that he thought YT promoted griefing at low levels. If someone gets a kill, takes someone's plat and forces them to call LnS there is no motivation to keep killing the person unless it is for the purpose of racking up kills for YT/leaderboards.

Obviously people can still grief for no reason but it lowers the amount of people that do it.

That is the idea behind the theory.

If someone is getting killed by twinks at level 46+ they can just join Holocaust to get their Epic/trak bp in a week and stick it to them. Holocaust will take care of the level 46+ problem themselves.

[Juhstin]

Anti plug code will make this server a baron wasteland

Worst idea in last 3 years tbh

Plugging is gay

[Eslade]

The point of the OP was that he thought YT promoted griefing at low levels. If someone gets a kill, takes someone's plat and forces them to call LnS there is no motivation to keep killing the person unless it is for the purpose of racking up kills for YT/leaderboards.

Obviously people can still grief for no reason but it lowers the amount of people that do it.

That is the idea behind the theory.

If someone is getting killed by twinks at level 46+ they can just join Holocaust to get their Epic/trak bp in a week and stick it to them. Holocaust will take care of the level 46+ problem themselves.

Ahhhhh, there's the reason. Spawn more zerglings with virgin yt scores. Anybody joining the server for the first time should just expect that it's going to be rough on your first character. Everybody else had to do it.

YT only matters as much as you let it...

[BardPop]

http://r99pvp.com/showzone.php?z=Crushbone
Looks like its holo alts doing the pvp, still though can you really call that grief? Don't think sam knows whats going on

[Tassador]

az power levels random nubs holo griefs...

[Bazia]

none of those are holo alts what are you talking about

[Malevz]

az power levels random nubs holo griefs...

Neat. Who are their mains?

[BardPop]

Cyren