shit's goin down!

[Troubled]

http://i.imgur.com/ythBtHF.jpg

wat happend guise?

[Oleris]

This has peeked my interest. I wonder what happened.

[jcr4990]

TMO up to their shenanigans again

[Tierael]

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i415/JustSumGirl/Random/Gif/tumblr_mgaeso6lAW1qion87o2_500_zpsa3c95b3f.gif

[Frieza_Prexus]

Having been present all the raids tonight, and recording them, I too, am quite interested to know exactly what was so offensive.

[Pokesan]

hammer comin' down

velious a step closer to releasing without raid content, keep it up guys

[Anichek]

IB and TMO made some band kid put a remote control up his arse or something like that from what I hear

LOL

[Locust]

Having been present all the raids tonight, and recording them, I too, am quite interested to know exactly what was so offensive.

details!!!!

[Troubled]

Having been present all the raids tonight, and recording them, I too, am quite interested to know exactly what was so offensive.

Any ideas?

[Estolcles]

This should be fun.

[jarshale]

I heard gallons of lube were involved.

[Reguiy]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_yes.gif

[Eponymous Anonymous]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/THISGONBGUD.gif

[Frieza_Prexus]

Any ideas?

Beyond personal speculation, not many. There were bad trains in SolB which I caught on film those might be an issue, however for a class C mob they were not out of the ordinary. Trak ate some people on the ledge, and CT was caught in a kite. Other than that, I personally don't know. Vp was fast and nearly flawless. IB took a VERY fast pd, and TMO took sw, xygoz, and druushk in a single pull each dragon 2 min after the last. No nasty stuff as far as I know, but I was in camp the whole time.

[Pokesan]

swing low, sweet banhammer
coming for to carry me home

[jtt25c]

the rest of the server patiently waits for all accounts linked to TMO to be deleted.

[jcr4990]

Just send TMO/IB to a new server like Chest suggested on Sirken's stream. Let them batphone at ridiculous hours just to log on and train each other over there. Class C will get the pixels they so desperately desire and the rest of us won't have to deal with the ridiculous rules and raid tactics that exist solely because of them. Then the rest of us can kill dragons in peace.

Win/Win imo

[Pokesan]

strike hard and true, jon sirken

[chief]

ib killed pd , tmo pulled 3 dragons killed them , ib killed hosh. IB sent the sirken batlight out.

tl;dr blue server shit happened

[Fael]

1. Hokushin allegedly logged into the world at the bedroom, pulls PD. as they pull PD we grab silverwing and druusk and xygoz and kill them in succession. They do hosh, we go to CT.

2. TMO way ahead; Hokushin dies to CT death touch, creates a train on IB ppl, with CT in the train. Trained the shit out of me. We camped out well enough to get an engage and kill.

2. IB trains giants to the zone in, TMO runs past, and attempted a botched attempt at Naggy; all the giants came back and naggy ran wild. TMO bowed out and went to trak.

3. Seb. TMO engaged too soon for some reason, with not the right classes. Trak killed us, IB didn't camp out, and trak ran after someone that got shroomed. That type of stuff has been happening for years on a trak whipe. If the other guild dies, a train will occur if the other guild doesn't zone out. Thats just the mechanic; shroom touch plus dot will create low HP aggro. Sirken doesn't seem to realize this. Then again he death touched our officer for a train IB training themselves; and then apologized because he didn't see what really happened.

4. Sirken sends out his zone wide message

[Pokesan]

So we're a t-minus negative 20 minutes for rule lawyering to have launched?

GET EM SIRKDAWG! RAMPAGE FATALITY KILLING SPREE FLAWLESS VICTORY

[Jfertal]

I blame class R.

[Kushie]

DRAMAQUEST 90210

[Sirken]

1. Hokushin allegedly logged into the world at the bedroom, pulls PD. as they pull PD we grab silverwing and druusk and xygoz and kill them in succession. They do hosh, we go to CT.

2. TMO way ahead; Hokushin dies to CT death touch, creates a train on IB ppl, with CT in the train. Trained the shit out of me. We camped out well enough to get an engage and kill.

2. IB trains giants to the zone in, TMO runs past, and attempted a botched attempt at Naggy; all the giants came back and naggy ran wild. TMO bowed out and went to trak.

3. Seb. TMO engaged too soon for some reason, with not the right classes. Trak killed us, IB didn't camp out, and trak ran after someone that got shroomed. That type of stuff has been happening for years on a trak whipe. If the other guild dies, a train will occur if the other guild doesn't zone out. Thats just the mechanic; shroom touch plus dot will create low HP aggro. Sirken doesn't seem to realize this. Then again he death touched our officer for a train IB training themselves; and then apologized because he didn't see what really happened.

4. Sirken sends out his zone wide message

are u seriously suggesting that i dont know how trak touch works?

[jarshale]

#shotsfired

[Fael]

are u seriously suggesting that i dont know how trak touch works?

Obviously not.

What I don't understand, is how the staff apparently wants guilds to compete such that they are at the ledge at the same time, with one guild getting FTE.

And if that one guild fails to kill trak, what will always happen--what has happened every time for 3 years--is that the dying members are trak touched, which causes low hp aggro and pulls trak out to aggro the people on the ledge.

What I don't understand, is how the foregoing circumstances can be inferred to create cause wrongdoing, as intimated in your zone wide message. It seriously boggles my mind. And at this point, with all the rules we have created, today was the most fun i've had, and according to you its cause for suspensions and reflection, etc etc.

If this is how the server is going to be, then i feel like i am better of on red server.

I also don't understand how you could death touch a player on this server who has done nothing wrong.

Dolic

[jcr4990]

http://replygif.net/i/154.gif

[Aadill]

Show me on the doll where he death-touched you.

[Rais]

Being told Anthrax was on webcam attempting to hang himself after seeing tmo in the same zone. The stream was on Reddit and has drawn negative threads about the server. Not sure if true or not.

[Troubled]

Being told Anthrax was on webcam attempting to hang himself after seeing tmo in the same zone. The stream was on Reddit and has drawn negative threads about the server. Not sure if true or not.

TMO wasn't in the same zone as us tonight.

http://www.ryanseacrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Sorry-For-Party-Rocking.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Obviously not.

What I don't understand, is how the staff apparently wants guilds to compete such that they are at the ledge at the same time, with one guild getting FTE.

And if that one guild fails to kill trak, what will always happen--what has happened every time for 3 years--is that the dying members are trak touched, which causes low hp aggro and pulls trak out to aggro the people on the ledge.

What I don't understand, is how the foregoing circumstances can be inferred to create cause wrongdoing, as intimated in your zone wide message. It seriously boggles my mind. And at this point, with all the rules we have created, today was the most fun i've had, and according to you its cause for suspensions and reflection, etc etc.

If this is how the server is going to be, then i feel like i am better of on red server.

I also don't understand how you could death touch a player on this server who has done nothing wrong.

Dolic

http://i.imgur.com/96AsjKG.png

[Prismaticshop]

1. Hokushin allegedly logged into the world at the bedroom, pulls PD. as they pull PD we grab silverwing and druusk and xygoz and kill them in succession. They do hosh, we go to CT.

2. TMO way ahead; Hokushin dies to CT death touch, creates a train on IB ppl, with CT in the train. Trained the shit out of me. We camped out well enough to get an engage and kill.

2. IB trains giants to the zone in, TMO runs past, and attempted a botched attempt at Naggy; all the giants came back and naggy ran wild. TMO bowed out and went to trak.

3. Seb. TMO engaged too soon for some reason, with not the right classes. Trak killed us, IB didn't camp out, and trak ran after someone that got shroomed. That type of stuff has been happening for years on a trak whipe. If the other guild dies, a train will occur if the other guild doesn't zone out. Thats just the mechanic; shroom touch plus dot will create low HP aggro. Sirken doesn't seem to realize this. Then again he death touched our officer for a train IB training themselves; and then apologized because he didn't see what really happened.

4. Sirken sends out his zone wide message

That is accurate.

[khanable]

This could all be resolved with hugs and whiskey

or red

[ssfarmer]

definitely whiskey..... which would lead to either hugs and "i love you mans" or bloodshed...... either way a good ending

[Bboboo]

or red

red is life
red is salvation
red is the one truth

[Jfertal]

This could all be resolved with hugs and whiskey

or red

Result of whiskey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fnUygPrzjU&feature=youtu.be

[Reguiy]

If this is how the server is going to be, then i feel like i am better of on red server.

Dolic

This truly must have been a traumatic day of raiding if it has come down to this.

[Lazie]

I dunno about VP that could have went wrong. We pulled and killed every mob we engaged cleanly. VP is just a little more difficult for IB when repops happen at a time most of us can attend. There is a question about where Hokushin was camped out at. I zoned into VP 19 seconds after the ground shook and no IB were at zone in pad or close to it.

[Tue Nov 11 21:34:38 2014] Silverwing engages Aalpha!
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:33 2014] Aadill rises chaotically into the air.
Silverwing was brought to zone in in under 3 minutes.

[Tue Nov 11 21:35:10 2014] Xygoz engages Lazie!
[Tue Nov 11 21:39:55 2014] Luchino shouts, 'Assist me on -[ Xygoz ]-'
4 minutes 45 seconds on the dragon furthest away from zone in.

[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:41:34 2014] Soluknar assumes a defensive fighting style'

And Druushk was engaged 4 minutes and 40 seconds after the FTE message.

[Tue Nov 11 21:28:48 2014] The ground shakes as the gods show their influence upon the races of Norrath. Creatures of all types stir to life in response. You feel you should get somewhere safe as soon as possible.

Within 13 minutes of the ground shaking we had 3 dragons dead. I imagine IB was a little upset we out pulled them in there.

[Troubled]

Result of whiskey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fnUygPrzjU&feature=youtu.be

Knew as soon as I saw fatty posted it was gonna be a shoey.

[Valakut]

http://wepump.in/sfw/Stuttering_John.gif

[ssfarmer]

though <3 you fattyfatty.... all i can say to that video is ewwwwwwww

[Tann]

Full grown kindergartners can't play nice or together. 1-2 month variance Sirken... DO IT!!!!!!!!!

[Bboboo]

Mix up all the raid target spawns randomly for a couple months. Every raid target will randomly spawn on a random raid target spawn point but will keep their spawn timer.

[toosweet]

A little birdie just told me that tmo is getting 2 wweks and IB is getting 3 wweks of vacation time starting on the 14th

[toosweet]

weeks even!

[Sirken]

And if that one guild fails to kill trak, what will always happen--what has happened every time for 3 years--is that the dying members are trak touched, which causes low hp aggro and pulls trak out to aggro the people on the ledge.

What I don't understand, is how the foregoing circumstances can be inferred to create cause wrongdoing, as intimated in your zone wide message. It seriously boggles my mind. And at this point, with all the rules we have created, today was the most fun i've had, and according to you its cause for suspensions and reflection, etc etc.

If this is how the server is going to be, then i feel like i am better of on red server.

I also don't understand how you could death touch a player on this server who has done nothing wrong.

Dolic

he knows exactly why he was DTd, we spoke about it afterwards. as far as the nonsense about "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", here's a super secret strategy, free of charge, from me, to you: camp/FD/or /q the aggro.

and going back to your utterly stupid statement of "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", that is not how every trak has been for 3 years, and spoiler alert i've been around these here parts longer than that, and longer than you. Furthermore if you'd like to try some science id be willing to bet that if i give your guild two weeks off, it wouldn't happen a single time for those two weeks.

anything else?

[quido]

ban everyone and make them roll red

[Turp]

as far as the nonsense about "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", here's a super secret strategy, free of charge, from me, to you: camp/FD/or /q the aggro.

anything else?

Really the strat has always been. When Guild A Engaged, Guild B camp the fuck out. Until you see wipe or death, keep a monk in to watch or whatever.
(A bit skewed IMO on your comment). When someone is Shroomed you're right , SOME can FD , or /q aggro or die. . .
BUT ( now here's the juicy ) sometimes they get summoned in at 20% an do not die right away, /q an still stay in game (obvious EQ 101), or do not have FD to FD (obvious is obvious). Therefore since low hp aggro, trak takes off toward ledge, that person shroomed dies eventually or gets out of game finally, trak than AEs people on the way back.

OP- VP was clean (I still want to know what IB petitioned about).
Was a near insta PD engage, but seemed all good.

CT- Little messy due to IB aggro of CT an him getting in the train. I can understand anyone frustration from that. But its EQ, fuck it.
SolB - Class C Shitshow and you know it. More IB from what i seen, i zoned into a shit ton of spiders an fire giants at the ZONE IN to start. Was like chickens with heads cut off scenario.
Trak - TMO went in to early, was obviously going to wipe, IB CAMP YOUR FORCE THE FUCK OUT, an you come back in an kill trak. Not stay logged in. I seen some people even on the very side. the edge of the ledge. Begging for that AE.
Get the fuck over this petition shit already. Suppose to be less work, not more for these GM's.

TL DR
Trak - Strat has always been camp the fuck out after guild A engages .
Not sit on poop mountain waiting for a train.
Common sense people.
Sol b - Class C shit show. Slap the wrist please.
VP... WTF are you bitching about in VP IB? Please tell.

[Prismaticshop]

VP... WTF are you bitching about in VP IB? Please tell.

We're not happy with you killing 4 dragons and us 2.

Anything else?

[Turp]

Anything else?

4:20
Wake n Bake!

[Piercesyu]

If only we had a place where we could put these people that hate each other to the point on wanting to kill the other team (in game, not IRL) and that had a way to prevent raid related trains..

[chief]

he knows exactly why he was DTd, we spoke about it afterwards. as far as the nonsense about "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", here's a super secret strategy, free of charge, from me, to you: camp/FD/or /q the aggro.

and going back to your utterly stupid statement of "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", that is not how every trak has been for 3 years, and spoiler alert i've around these here parts longer than that, and longer than you. Furthermore if you'd like to try some science id be willing to bet that if i give your guild two weeks off, it wouldn't happen a single time for those two weeks.

anything else?

Unfortunately not all classes have the ability to fd when Shroom touched. If youre a warrior and /q immediately after being trak touched, trak will eventually start coming toward you if your guild wipes, which will more than likely result in him training juggs/himself on ledge.

[khanable]

Unfortunately not all classes have the ability to fd when Shroom touched. If youre a warrior and /q immediately after being trak touched, trak will eventually start coming toward you if your guild wipes, which will more than likely result in him training juggs/himself on ledge.

don't suck and hammer out yo

I've died from the poison dot at OT hammer hill at least 4 times

[Turp]

don't suck and hammer out yo

I've died from the poison dot at OT hammer hill at least 4 times

Try that blind , and or on a 20% hp caster.

I just realized it even says , when a repop occurs...
"You feel you should get somewhere safe as soon as possible."

Yet people 30+ mins later (probably more Lazie can confirm trak engage time.)
<Taken> Was still fighting juggs on poop mountain an was mad and probably petitioned or said something to Sirken (IB too) about the bad TMO train.
Sorry for the mess at Trak. But if you do not camp out when the other guild engages that happens at least 50% of the time if not more.
Sorry for CT whoever died during that minor mess (PoFear not somewhere safe).
AN for the Shit show at Sol B that should never happen.
Not 100% infractions on just one guild today. Multiple involved.
Bring on the round table. Sirken stream a guild leader discussion, one similiar to what landed these rules in the first place (When you was all in vent same time ). Would be nice to hear them all at once an you might get some change for the better.


TL:DR
Repop = get to a safe place or be ready to camp or kill dragons.
I Don't think it was that bad in terms of only class C was dying but sorry to any straggling traveler caught in that mess today.

[arsenalpow]

Oh now Sirken is disgusted??? The casual guilds have been saying this since day fucking 1 man.

[khanable]

Try that blind , and or on a 20% hp caster.

nightmare hides yo

I got all dem clickies

[Turp]

nightmare hides yo

I got all dem clickies

Yea most of the time people get out, whether its wc cap or gate. Whatever. But a lot of times also, they don't. That is why it has always been standard protocol to camp out if you are on ledge and trak is engaged by another guild.

[Absolution]

Unfortunately not all classes have the ability to fd when Shroom touched. If youre a warrior and /q immediately after being trak touched, trak will eventually start coming toward you if your guild wipes, which will more than likely result in him training juggs/himself on ledge.

I just have question for you !

You never use WC cap when you are shroomed ? I think it's the first thing to do when you are shroom (imo)

[khanable]

Yea most of the time people get out, whether its wc cap or gate. Whatever. But a lot of times also, they don't. That is why it has always been standard protocol to camp out if you are on ledge and trak is engaged by another guild.

Sure. It's EQ. Shit happens. Everyone should do their part to minimize damage. It's kind of like driving, assume everyone on the road is awful and is trying to kill you.

Defensive raiding. Coining that now.

[Byel]

Instead of suspending them for weeks, on something that only affected each other and not the bulk of server how about transfer them to red to serve the suspensions? Eh? Eh? Maybe they'll like it and stay or at the least they get to hash it out and come back civilized.

Best case, stream of IB/TMO being forced to work together against red baddies trying to flex. /dance.

[Phats]

Our TMO guild spin masters fail to point out that we should never have engaged Trakanon. We broke a couple of cardinal rules of raiding. IB asked us in /ooc to stand down after confronting us with the fact we had broken the below rules while competing for Trakanon. We logged in numerous mages and other characters on the ledge next to Trakanon. We choose to ignore their request and continue to mobilize our force and engage Trak. I think us bragging about doing Trak with a 6 man engage force inflated our heads some. We engaged with 30 and wiped and then a few of our mages tried to run back up to the ledge and trained the Juggs and Trakanon on IB.

My inside TMO info may cease soon, I have already been accused several times publically in guild chat of being Phats and my denials are wearing thin. I will continue to do my best to report the truth until the very end.

Play Nice Policy

Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.


To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.

[Archalen]

red is life
red is salvation
red is one person

[Daldaen]

One thing worth noting.

This Repop was immediate. There was no delay to get somewhere safe like there usually is.

[Lazie]

Our TMO guild spin masters fail to point out that we should never have engaged Trakanon. We broke a couple of cardinal rules of raiding. IB asked us in /ooc to stand down after confronting us with the fact we had broken the below rules while competing for Trakanon. We logged in numerous mages and other characters on the ledge next to Trakanon. We choose to ignore their request and continue to mobilize our force and engage Trak. I think us bragging about doing Trak with a 6 man engage force inflated our heads some. We engaged with 30 and wiped and then a few of our mages tried to run back up to the ledge and trained the Juggs and Trakanon on IB.

My inside TMO info may cease soon, I have already been accused several times publically in guild chat of being Phats and my denials are wearing thin. I will continue to do my best to report the truth until the very end.

Play Nice Policy

Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.


To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.


Shows you aren't in our guild at all again. You do realize how easy it is to move mages to ledge with your non-vp keyed characters while the rest of the guild is in VP correct ? Trakanon was our backup behind CT and Naggy. We planned accordingly. Sorry your guild lacks in the preparation department.

[Raavak]

The players don't create these situations. The ruleset creates these situations.

[Ravager]

Obviously not.


If this is how the server is going to be, then i feel like i am better of on red server.


Dolic

Everyone in R agrees with you. Everyone on Red agrees with you.

[arsenalpow]

The players don't create these situations. The ruleset creates these situations.

That might be the most TMO thing I've ever read.

[Lazie]

The players don't create these situations. The ruleset creates these situations.

Nailed it. There needs to be some changes. Obvious ones that would help this server completely.


1. If you wipe on an engage and another guild is present to attempt that engage you can't engage it again until the other guild/guilds attempts it and wipes. Within reason of course. A guild can't take 20 to 30 minutes to take their shot. They need to do it in a timely fashion.

2. If a guild is engaged on a mob and other guilds are present at the encounter it is their responsibility to camp out leaving 1 or 2 FD classes there to report how the engage goes. 9 times out of 10 aggro on another guild happens because they sit there with 30+ people watching an engage with fraps on hoping 1 mob aggros them so they can petition.

3. Lower the variance and put a rule in place on the number of people a guild can have in the zone "Tracking and racing" for these mobs. It's a funny and true thing about EQ. The more people you have trying to do something...The more likely a fuck up is going to happen. Simply because all players aren't as attentive as they should be. Anyone that has led a raid or a guild knows this.

[Ravager]

Nailed it. There needs to be some changes. Obvious ones that would help this server completely.


1. If you wipe on an engage and another guild is present to attempt that engage you can't engage it again until the other guild/guilds attempts it and wipes. Within reason of course. A guild can't take 20 to 30 minutes to take their shot. They need to do it in a timely fashion.

2. If a guild is engaged on a mob and other guilds are present at the encounter it is their responsibility to camp out leaving 1 or 2 FD classes there to report how the engage goes. 9 times out of 10 aggro on another guild happens because they sit there with 30+ people watching an engage with fraps on hoping 1 mob aggros them so they can petition.

3. Lower the variance and put a rule in place on the number of people a guild can have in the zone "Tracking and racing" for these mobs. It's a funny and true thing about EQ. The more people you have trying to do something...The more likely a fuck up is going to happen. Simply because all players aren't as attentive as they should be. Anyone that has led a raid or a guild knows this.

The answer to too many rules is more rules?

[Joyelle]

Pretty sure nobody from Taken petitioned you dumbshits. We know know repops work.

[Prismaticshop]

I noticed TMO Camps when we engage Trak, but honestly the temptation to remain logged in is too good, cause if the opposing guilds wipes and trains, they need to forfeit the mob anyways. No idea why you guys keep logging during our engages.

[ssfarmer]

/sigh he never said that the number of rules was the problem.

mostly that the rule set given is not defined, leaving it open to multiple interpretations and that no rulings are given until punishments are handed out and then they are handed out randomly via he said she said / who has the angle on fraps that shows that their side wins

/cough ib training themselves in VP yet tmo takes the punishment since their fraps has a FD class to watch the engage so pushes blame onto them /cough

[ssfarmer]

I noticed TMO Camps when we engage Trak, but honestly the temptation to remain logged in is too good, cause if the opposing guilds wipes and trains, they need to forfeit the mob anyways. No idea why you guys keep logging during our engages.

IB going to forfeit next Trak then? have fraps of you training a jug or two onto us after you killed trakanon....

[Lazie]

Pretty sure nobody from Taken petitioned you dumbshits. We know know repops work.

I didn't think you guys did honestly. Anyone in fear saw the train that caused CT aggro was on Wavaran. Got a lot of people killed.

[Lazie]

The answer to too many rules is more rules?

No. Just specific ones. Not ones left open to interpretation.

[Daldaen]

By the way. Have fucking 6 Class C (Trak, CT, Naggy, Vox, Maestro and Talendor)mobs chilling waiting for them to finish in VP is retarded.

FFA Respawns please.

Also question:

Taken went into Fear to maybe snipe FFA Draco before Class C herpderped their way to CT. However the FTE shout on Draco had been given to an IB bard who was kiting the entire zone. Due to the bag limit, they had no desire or intent to kill this FFA Draco. However they already aggroed him and had no intent on dropping aggro on him. (Because non-classic training) Once CT dies however Draco goes to his correct designation (which was R and wasn't our rotation)

So due to Class C using the same strategy they always use on CT (train whole zone - which is not classic), in the process they kited a raid mob, preventing us from having any legitimate shot at it. All the while having 0 intent on killing the mob themselves.

This seems retarded.

[arsenalpow]

By the way. Have fucking 6 Class C (Trak, CT, Naggy, Vox, Maestro and Talendor)mobs chilling waiting for them to finish in VP is retarded.

FFA Respawns please.

Also question:

Taken went into Fear to maybe snipe FFA Draco before Class C herpderped their way to CT. However the FTE shout on Draco had been given to an IB bard who was kiting the entire zone. Due to the bag limit, they had no desire or intent to kill this FFA Draco. However they already aggroed him and had no intent on dropping aggro on him. (Because non-classic training) Once CT dies however Draco goes to his correct designation (which was R and wasn't our rotation)

So due to Class C using the same strategy they always use on CT (train whole zone - which is not classic), in the process they kited a raid mob, preventing us from having any legitimate shot at it. All the while having 0 intent on killing the mob themselves.

This seems retarded.

Petition for kiting a raid mob, problem solved.

The exact same thing happened to BDA last week. Draco was FFA with the CT repop, we had FTE on him but TMO or IB (can't remember) engaged CT so draco went to go help, by the time we got him into camp CT was already dead which meant he reverted to his previous raid status (class C) so we had to bail mid fight. It's a stupid rule that draco changes to his previous status once CT dies.

[Daldaen]

I feel petitioning kiting is equally stupid though.

How about people don't kite entire fucking zones to zerg down CT? Doing more with over 9000 zerglings is more a more apt description of events.

But this is more evidence for the Chest proposal. Split servers. Neckbeard train each other server and GM enforced rotation with FFA respawns server.

PS Draco FTE is still not zonewide. Or maybe I missed it after Egressing but I'm pretty sure it happened while I was in zone...

[Fael]

anything else?

I'm not gonna continue to sit here and argue with you. I appreciate everything you have done. Disagree with you here, not that that means anything in big scheme of things.

Dolic

[arsenalpow]

I feel petitioning kiting is equally stupid though.

How about people don't kite entire fucking zones to zerg down CT? Doing more with over 9000 zerglings is more a more apt description of events.

But this is more evidence for the Chest proposal. Split servers. Neckbeard train each other server and GM enforced rotation with FFA respawns server.

PS Draco FTE is still not zonewide. Or maybe I missed it after Egressing but I'm pretty sure it happened while I was in zone...

I'm pretty sure it's zonewide.

You have to petition if they pick up draco in the kite, that's the cost of doing business with that strategy. It doesn't matter if it's a means to an end (the CT kill) you still have to drop draco, either pull/kill or drop him. Kiting is illegal.

[doyoueventrainbro]

I dunno about VP that could have went wrong. We pulled and killed every mob we engaged cleanly. VP is just a little more difficult for IB when repops happen at a time most of us can attend. There is a question about where Hokushin was camped out at. I zoned into VP 19 seconds after the ground shook and no IB were at zone in or anywhere near the pad.

[Tue Nov 11 21:28:48 2014] The ground shakes as the gods show their influence upon the races of Norrath. Creatures of all types stir to life in response. You feel you should get somewhere safe as soon as possible.




So, you zoned into VP 19 seconds after the repop and still couldn't secure PD for your guild? Geez, how big of a headstart do you need?

I mean, come on! Surely you are not that terrible?

[Fael]

I'm pretty sure it's zonewide.

You have to petition if they pick up draco in the kite, that's the cost of doing business with that strategy. It doesn't matter if it's a means to an end (the CT kill) you still have to drop draco, either pull/kill or drop him. Kiting is illegal.


1. The mechanic of the engagement is such that you either have to kite him away or you must kill him first. If you kill him first, you allow others a free shot at CT.

2. If you kill him first, the you reach your bag limit in fear all at one time. Because a class R guild was in fear, it would seem that they want to kill him, so im not sure why they are advocating that the Class C guild SHOULD kill him first. Of course it could free you up to go get something else; perhaps a better class C repop target the next day.

3. Working within the rules established by the staff, pulling draco away from CT for 30 seconds while you kill him doesn't seem to cause an undue burden on anyone.

4. Finally, it seems your true problem is with the class R system. If you didn't construct self imposed rules on when you can engage a mob, Draco turning to class R wouldn't effect you. I suggest you go back and redo your own agreement, such that draco is freely killable by any class R guild on a repop without it becoming a matter of who is up next on rotation.


Take that rule away, an

[Daldaen]

If Draco were C, like in BDA's case, the problem is with respawns being Class based.

When they should be all FFA. Cause that actually fosters competition.

But you don't want that because you lose your vending machine mobs every respawn.

[Lazie]

I feel petitioning kiting is equally stupid though.

How about people don't kite entire fucking zones to zerg down CT? Doing more with over 9000 zerglings is more a more apt description of events.

But this is more evidence for the Chest proposal. Split servers. Neckbeard train each other server and GM enforced rotation with FFA respawns server.

PS Draco FTE is still not zonewide. Or maybe I missed it after Egressing but I'm pretty sure it happened while I was in zone...

It's not zone wide and one guild has a habit of keeping him indefinitely kited when CT is up. Give you one guess which guild that is.

[jcr4990]

Split servers. Neckbeard train each other server and GM enforced rotation with FFA respawns server./thread

Why hasn't this happened yet?

[Daldaen]

It's not zone wide and one guild has a habit of keeping him indefinitely kited when CT is up. Give you one guess which guild that is.

Don't try to absolve yourself of this behavior.

Every guild that kites all of fear to zerg down CT, kites Draco the entire time they engage CT. Your guild is no exception to this.

Back on topic - FFA Respawns. Class restrictions for them are dumb.

[Fanguru]

Or just simplify current rules: don't FTE Draco unless you are bringing him to your camp and killing him, like any other raid target.
Too bad about bag limit.

[Orruar]

I zoned into VP 19 seconds after the ground shook

[Tue Nov 11 21:34:38 2014] Silverwing engages Aalpha!
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:33 2014] Aadill rises chaotically into the air.
Silverwing was brought to zone in in under 3 minutes.

[Tue Nov 11 21:35:10 2014] Xygoz engages Lazie!
[Tue Nov 11 21:39:55 2014] Luchino shouts, 'Assist me on -[ Xygoz ]-'
4 minutes 45 seconds on the dragon furthest away from zone in.

[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:41:34 2014] Soluknar assumes a defensive fighting style'

And Druushk was engaged 4 minutes and 40 seconds after the FTE message.

Within 13 minutes of the ground shaking we had 3 dragons dead. I imagine IB was a little upset we out pulled them in there.

I suspect this is the greatest accomplishment you have had in the past several years of your life. At least, you speak of it as if it is. Pathetic.

[Lazie]

I suspect this is the greatest accomplishment you have had in the past several years of your life. At least, you speak of it as if it is. Pathetic.

You seem upset.

[Lazie]

Don't try to absolve yourself of this behavior.

Every guild that kites all of fear to zerg down CT, kites Draco the entire time they engage CT. Your guild is no exception to this.

Back on topic - FFA Respawns. Class restrictions for them are dumb.

False.

[Lazie]

I only say False Daldaen because we never set out to kite Draco. We don't want him aggroed on the CT engage for sure. However it is easier to wait until you are ready to engage CT.... Then Engage Draco and pull him towards the SW corner. Engage and Kill CT and then drop all aggro by camping out. Recover your fallen guildies after.

No one should be kiting Draco for longer than the 35 or so seconds it takes to kill CT.

[Racun]

You TMO guys should keep telling Sirken what the rules are. Seems like he appreciates it.

I especially like where you like to imply it's IB's fault that you trained Trak on them. It's their fault for wearing revealing clothing amirite?

Fucking idiots.

[Thana8088]

You seem upset.

And jealous. Most definitely jealous~

Killing three dragons back to back was sofa king awesome.

[Thana8088]

I especially like where you like to imply it's IB's fault that you trained Trak on them. It's their fault for wearing revealing clothing amirite?


Pretty much. Stay bent over on ledge with a mad dragon running around and you just might get raped.

[Lazie]

You TMO guys should keep telling Sirken what the rules are. Seems like he appreciates it.

I especially like where you like to imply it's IB's fault that you trained Trak on them. It's their fault for wearing revealing clothing amirite?

Fucking idiots.

Let's see..

A Dragon that Teleports people without losing aggro on that person...

People sitting in an area where that Dragon will run towards those people he teleported if a guild wipes...

Yep...Makes since to stay camped in during an engage of that dragon.

[Tongpow]

Killing three dragons back to back was sofa king awesome.


so mad i wasn't home for this

[Fael]

For years I have camped out at trak as soon as the other guild --fe or BDA depending on the era-- engaged.

Why is the new tactic to stay in game and try to get catch aggro from trakanon? The only reason is to try to create a situation. Does that make any sense ?

Dolic

[Turp]

You TMO guys should keep telling Sirken what the rules are. Seems like he appreciates it.

I especially like where you like to imply it's IB's fault that you trained Trak on them. It's their fault for wearing revealing clothing amirite?

Fucking idiots.
Go ahead an sit on the side of the ledge more when trak is being engaged.
Believe that could be the EQ definition of fucking idiots.
I even seen IB with your asses scooted so far to the side, that you about fell off ledge.
An that was During the engage.
Pathetic. Just asking for a train so we can petition war is what that is.
It was not IB's fault trak was trained on them. Its game mechanics. But IB camping as TMO engaged would of ensured you not dying that's for damn sure , an its for damn sure the way trak has always went.

Pretty much. Stay bent over on ledge with a mad dragon running around and you just might get raped.

[Samoht]

no the REAL question is why doesn't the TMO strategery account for the shroom touch? why is your first to engage not ready to FD/cap/hammer out?

is it just because you want to train trak on jugs when you wipe and prevent any other guild from engaging?

[Turp]

no the REAL question is why doesn't the TMO strategery account for the shroom touch? why is your first to engage not ready to FD/cap/hammer out?

is it just because you want to train trak on jugs when you wipe and prevent any other guild from engaging?

Shit happens. THIS IS EVERQUEST. Most the time a cap. FD, gate, whatever the fuck goes down, an all goes good. BUT... on 50% or more of trak engages some shit GOES WRONG. Get it? whether its a blind or whatever. That is why...
If Guild A engaged Trak, Guild B camps. Always has been that way.

[Samoht]

so you want a pass for TMO just because you accuse other people of making the same terrible mistakes?

keep dreaming.

[Susano]

IB is now just throwing themselves in front of moving cars looking to get that insurance pay out. Keep playing in traffic bro's!

[Samoht]

IB is now just throwing themselves in front of moving cars looking to get that insurance pay out. Keep playing in traffic bro's!

it's more like they're sitting on the sidewalk and TMO feels entitled to drive wherever they damn-well please.

[Alarti0001]

Sure. It's EQ. Shit happens. Everyone should do their part to minimize damage. It's kind of like driving, assume everyone on the road is awful and is trying to kill you.

Defensive raiding. Coining that now.

With petitionquest being what is it. Minimizing damage isn't a thing opposing forces are now in essence "walking out into traffic" for a chance to get something on fraps.

[Alarti0001]

You TMO guys should keep telling Sirken what the rules are. Seems like he appreciates it.

I especially like where you like to imply it's IB's fault that you trained Trak on them. It's their fault for wearing revealing clothing amirite?

Fucking idiots.

Please speak up only when you understand basic mechanics. Trak training around is a problem with the raid encounter and/or pathing. You just seem very ignorant.

[Alarti0001]

no the REAL question is why doesn't the TMO strategery account for the shroom touch? why is your first to engage not ready to FD/cap/hammer out?

is it just because you want to train trak on jugs when you wipe and prevent any other guild from engaging?

Because there has been basic understanding of encounter mechanics in years past. If a wipe happens Trakanon is eventually going to get trained. Unless somehow trakanon only banishes fd classes.

[Detoxx]

Sirken is probably so backed up with petitions from IB (because they petition evrything, whether they win or lose, forcing tmo to do the same) that this is his out to clean the slate for everything. Hint: this is a system bred by rules on top of rules with no clarification when needed. What exactly do you expect to happen in a system where if you dont prepare to engage mobs as quick as possible, you lose?

[Fael]

no the REAL question is why doesn't the TMO strategery account for the shroom touch? why is your first to engage not ready to FD/cap/hammer out?

is it just because you want to train trak on jugs when you wipe and prevent any other guild from engaging?

I was the first tank shroomed. I capped out. Good try tho. The shit happens toward the end as he starts running around killing people and then some low health person gets trak touched.

Dolic

[jcr4990]

Split servers. Neckbeard train each other server and GM enforced rotation with FFA respawns server.

[Alarti0001]

Derp Derp

I agree split servers... you can pay for the new server.

[Anichek]

With petitionquest being what is it. Minimizing damage isn't a thing opposing forces are now in essence "walking out into traffic" for a chance to get something on fraps.

Please speak up only when you understand basic mechanics. Trak training around is a problem with the raid encounter and/or pathing. You just seem very ignorant.

Because there has been basic understanding of encounter mechanics in years past. If a wipe happens Trakanon is eventually going to get trained. Unless somehow trakanon only banishes fd classes.

http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/si3peat.jpeg

BACK to BACK to BACK RnF domination?

[jcr4990]

I agree split servers... you can pay for the new server.I would gladly pitch in. This server just raised $17k in a day for charity. You don't think we can fund starting a new server in like an hour? You cray

[Samoht]

The shit happens toward the end as he starts running around killing people and then some low health person gets trak touched.

so once again you're victim-blaming other raids because TMO cannot control their wipes? if TMO is incapable of killing trak, they should yield to the actually prepared raiders on the server rather than train them and then tell them it was their own fault for TMO training them.

[Uteunayr]

I would also donate heavily for a split. I would be interested to know what it would cost.

[Onshuu]

6k+ views in under 24 hours. I think everyone needs to reevaluate what's important in their lives. Carry on.

[arsenalpow]

This is the victim shaming portion of the thread. We've already passed the "it wasn't our fault" stage and we're fast approaching "fuck class R / BDA"

Someone wake me up when we get there.

[Fael]

I agree. This is basically what the staff is suggesting what the new standard. If you engage and whipe on trak it's per se training.

It was a bad call for us to have gone when we weren't ready. It is a black eye on an otherwise great night.

But if the above is the new standard, i would certainly have reservations of going class c if I was an R guile. If you whipe you very well could be suspended.

The alternative is that the other guilds who don't engage should camp until it's clear. That seems more reasonable to me.

Dolic

[Detoxx]

I would gladly pitch in. This server just raised $17k in a day for charity. You don't think we can fund starting a new server in like an hour? You cray

Oh, hi brainwashed chest cronie #245.

[khanable]

With petitionquest being what is it. Minimizing damage isn't a thing opposing forces are now in essence "walking out into traffic" for a chance to get something on fraps.

prove it

[Samoht]

It was a bad call for us to have gone when we weren't ready.

enjoy your vacation

[Ravager]

I agree split servers... you can pay for the new server.

Class R gladly would just to be rid of you fucks.

[Lazie]

This is the victim shaming portion of the thread. We've already passed the "it wasn't our fault" stage and we're fast approaching "fuck class R / BDA"

Someone wake me up when we get there.

It's not victim shaming. It's common sense. We don't keep our guild in game when IB engages Trak. Our first call is to camp out. We actually get onto our raiders if they die on another guilds engage because it's completely retarded to stay logged in. It accomplishes nothing for no one. You know nothing good can come of it if the other guild wipes. People say you are a decent raid leader. I know you understand this. The only reason to stay in game is to cause an issue that you can catch on fraps and petition.

[Alarti0001]

Class R gladly would just to be rid of you fucks.

Prove it.

[arsenalpow]

It's not victim shaming. It's common sense. We don't keep our guild in game when IB engages Trak. Our first call is to camp out. We actually get onto our raiders if they die on another guilds engage because it's completely retarded to stay logged in. It accomplishes nothing for no one. You know nothing good can come of it if the other guild wipes. People say you are a decent raid leader. I know you understand this. The only reason to stay in game is to cause an issue that you can catch on fraps and petition.

But reckless tactics have nothing to do with it? It's easy to subscribe to the idea of making that pixel omlette requires you to break a few pixel eggs but at what point does the staff draw the line between skilled raid strat and blatantly reckless strat that wipes the competition

[Ravager]

Prove it.

Pretty sure BDA alone would raise the money for an exclusive No-Alarti server.

[Alarti0001]

Pretty sure BDA alone would raise the money for an exclusive No-Alarti server.

Prove it. Also it would be pretty fucking hilarious if you guys would pay the monthly for a new server just to basically make it a no custom content ezserver lite.
Either way prove it.

[Ravager]

Prove it. Also it would be pretty fucking hilarious if you guys would pay the monthly for a new server just to basically make it a no custom content ezserver lite.
Either way prove it.

Show of hands, who would donate to be rid of this buttknuckle?

[Alarti0001]

But reckless tactics have nothing to do with it? It's easy to subscribe to the idea of making that pixel omlette requires you to break a few pixel eggs but at what point does the staff draw the line between skilled raid strat and blatantly reckless strat that wipes the competition

You are aware instances aren't around yet? There is inherent risk in EQ. Did you parents never let you ride a bicycle?

Are you suggesting that to engage Trakanon everyone must set up camp at Fungi King and move from there? You realize there are mobs that path there also?

[Raev]

But reckless tactics have nothing to do with it? It's easy to subscribe to the idea of making that pixel omlette requires you to break a few pixel eggs but at what point does the staff draw the line between skilled raid strat and blatantly reckless strat that wipes the competition

I remember Yibz training the hell out of the A-Team at the zone in and then starting a long RNF about how it was all our fault for being in the wrong spot. Rogean banned him anyway.

The old world dragons are easy to compete over. VP isn't too bad if you have a good pull crew. For everything else, two raid forces in the same zone is just dumb and leads to a shitshow. And it all just ends up being more and more rules.

Also Alarti, if Rogean offered to admin a new blue server with a strict PNP and rotations on all normal spawns, it would be funded within 24 hours. Hopefully Rogean will give everyone the opportunity to "prove it".

[Lazie]

But reckless tactics have nothing to do with it? It's easy to subscribe to the idea of making that pixel omlette requires you to break a few pixel eggs but at what point does the staff draw the line between skilled raid strat and blatantly reckless strat that wipes the competition

Has nothing to do with the "Strat". It has everything to do with the encounter mechanics. If Trak Touch dropped aggro on the person he does it to completely it wouldn't cause the problems. Sitting a whole guild in an area he will path over to chase after a person he Trak Touches doesn't make them eggs one guild is breaking. It makes them liable for any aggro they incur because they put themselves in that position. If you knew a train could come roaring down some tracks and you park your car there. Is it the trains fault for destroying your car ?

[Alarti0001]

I remember Yibz training the hell out of the A-Team at the zone in and then starting a long RNF about how it was all our fault for being in the wrong spot. Rogean banned him anyway.

The old world dragons are easy to compete over. VP isn't too bad if you have a good pull crew. For everything else, two raid forces in the same zone is just dumb and leads to a shitshow. And it all just ends up being more and more rules.

Also Alarti, if Rogean offered to admin a new blue server with a strict PNP and rotations on all normal spawns, it would be funded within 24 hours. Hopefully Rogean will give everyone the opportunity to "prove it".

Prove it.

[Orruar]

Pretty sure you could raise more in 1 hour to be rid of TMO than the combined income of all TMO members. You know you've won life when people are willing to pay money to not have to be exposed to your presence.

[Raev]

Has nothing to do with the "Strat". It has everything to do with the encounter mechanics. If Trak Touch dropped aggro on the person he does it to completely it wouldn't cause the problems. Sitting a whole guild in an area he will path over to chase after a person he Trak Touches doesn't make them eggs one guild is breaking. It makes them liable for any aggro they incur because they put themselves in that position. If you knew a train could come roaring down some tracks and you park your car there. Is it the trains fault for destroying your car ?

If you have <20% hp and you are teleported into a bunch of L55 mobs, how hard exactly is it to die? I mean really.

[Alarti0001]

Pretty sure you could raise more in 1 hour to be rid of TMO than the combined income of all TMO members. You know you've won life when people are willing to pay money to not have to be exposed to your presence.

Are they willing though? Seems like words and not actions to me.

[jcr4990]

Prove it. Also it would be pretty fucking hilarious if you guys would pay the monthly for a new server just to basically make it a no custom content ezserver lite.
Either way prove it.If you seriously don't think it would happen you're incredibly dumb. There's no way to "prove it" unless we're given the option to start donating for it. You must have missed my post earlier where I told you about the $17k that was raised in a single day for a charity. I think you underestimate just how badly Class R wants to cleanse the neckbeards from the server. I guarantee a new server is paid for within a week (probably 24 hrs) of the second donations are opened up to pay for it. Pretty sure it would cost less than $17k and ppl paid that much for a raffle at a dozen items. How much do you think they'd pay for 2/3 more raid targets guaranteed?

Hint: A Lot

[Lazie]

If you have <20% hp and you are teleported into a bunch of L55 mobs, how hard exactly is it to die? I mean really.

Huh ?

You don't get Trak touched based on your HP. If your guild is wiping (Which make no mistake TMO was wiping on Trak) The people that get Trak touched are random. He will get to a point where he will Trak touch and summon people based on his aggro list. Every Jugg that socials Trak has the same Hate list. So if you are a rogue or a wizard or any class without FD you can get Trak Touched with full health and have both Trak and Juggs heading towards you if you are one of the last folks alive.

[Alarti0001]

If you seriously don't think it would happen you're incredibly dumb. There's no way to "prove it" unless we're given the option to start donating for it. You must have missed my post earlier where I told you about the $17k that was raised in a single day for a charity. I think you underestimate just how badly Class R wants to cleanse the neckbeards from the server. I guarantee a new server is paid for within a week (probably 24 hrs) of the second donations are opened up to pay for it. Pretty sure it would cost less than $17k and ppl paid that much for a raffle at a dozen items. How much do you think they'd pay for 2/3 more raid targets guaranteed?

Hint: A Lot

So basically you are saying Class R is basically a Pay to Win culture? I'm glad we agree.

However, I guarantee that a class R server would never be paid for consistently ... sure you might rent it for a month or 2 but that should would crash very quickly.

I guarantee it. LOL

[Ashsun]

Class C shits up the server on a daily basis and you just now noticed Sirken?

They have free reign to shit on the server because you wont punish them when they are caught red handed. Somehow Derubael convinces you to show mercy on the guilds that have train-wrecked the server since their creation. I don't know what evidence they are black-mailing you with but the best policy is just to come clean and let it all come to fruition.

Agree 100%

[Lazie]

Agree 100%

You just agreed with the guy who wears the biggest Tinfoil Hat known to man.

[Alarti0001]

Class C shits up the server on a daily basis and you just now noticed Sirken?

They have free reign to shit on the server because you wont punish them when they are caught red handed. Somehow Derubael convinces you to show mercy on the guilds that have train-wrecked the server since their creation. I don't know what evidence they are black-mailing you with but the best policy is just to come clean and let it all come to fruition.

I'm done with this server and its corrupt GM's I'm going to post a tell all at Noon PST with all the dirty things the GM's have done with TMO and with IB over the past years.

[Lazie]

seems like you are trying to convince us that Class C takes care of this server all on their own with "donations" or "kickbacks" from pixel accumulation and people willing to pay for such service whether it be plat or other.

See Ashun....

[Yibz]

I remember Yibz training the hell out of the A-Team at the zone in and then starting a long RNF about how it was all our fault for being in the wrong spot. Rogean banned him anyway.

The old world dragons are easy to compete over. VP isn't too bad if you have a good pull crew. For everything else, two raid forces in the same zone is just dumb and leads to a shitshow. And it all just ends up being more and more rules.

Also Alarti, if Rogean offered to admin a new blue server with a strict PNP and rotations on all normal spawns, it would be funded within 24 hours. Hopefully Rogean will give everyone the opportunity to "prove it".

Couple things:

1. Waiting until CT is up to go into Fear for a casual clear is fucking stupid.

2. Rogean himself said the train was unintentional.

3. Nobody had ever set up camp at the zone in for an armor clear while CT was up and contested before or since that day. There's a reason for that. Hint: see point 1.

Just an aside to the folks that are calling for a new hardcore class C server - you know there's already a strictly casual server, right? EZ server. You start next to a vendor you can buy you epics for 0pp. Sounds like it would be right up your alley. Just a thought.

[Ravager]

I'm done with this server

Promise?

[Alarti0001]

Promise?

You are willing to pay for an Alarti Free server. You said so yourself. Pay me.

[jcr4990]

So basically you are saying Class R is basically a Pay to Win culture? I'm glad we agree.

However, I guarantee that a class R server would never be paid for consistently ... sure you might rent it for a month or 2 but that should would crash very quickly.

I guarantee it. LOLImplying that Class C is the sole reason P99 can afford to exist?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/351/eb6.jpg

[Alarti0001]

Implying that Class C is the sole reason P99 can afford to exist?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/351/eb6.jpg

Implying that there is only 1 variable to running another server...
Can you count past 5?

[TMBLOW]

Couple things:

1. Waiting until CT is up to go into Fear for a casual clear is fucking stupid.

2. Rogean himself said the train was unintentional.

3. Nobody had ever set up camp at the zone in for an armor clear while CT was up and contested before or since that day. There's a reason for that. Hint: see point 1.

Just an aside to the folks that are calling for a new hardcore class C server - you know there's already a strictly casual server, right? EZ server. You start next to a vendor you can buy you epics for 0pp. Sounds like it would be right up your alley. Just a thought.

are you fucking stupid or just dense?

A-Team was already in Fearplane and it was an Earthquake that spawns CT

then min later you show up and train the fuck out of them.....they did not 'casually' zone into Fear in the middle of a repop to clear some armor mobs at the WW

this is why TMO is such a plague, their mindset is that everyone that is not doing what they are doing is wrong always.

[tito]

Two questions:

Should I even level to 60?

Is this a red recruitment thread?

[Troubled]

Class R wants to cleanse the neckbeards from the server. I guarantee a new server is paid for within a week (probably 24 hrs) of the second donations are opened up to pay for it. Pretty sure it would cost less than $17k and ppl paid that much for a raffle at a dozen items. How much do you think they'd pay for 2/3 more raid targets guaranteed?

Hint: A Lot

Class R confirmed RMT scumlords.

[jcr4990]

Implying that there is only 1 variable to running another server...
Can you count past 5?Common sense says Class R would more easily be able to fund a server through donations than Class C. Just a numbers game. Not sure what you're getting at.

If Rogean posted tomorrow saying "If we reach X amount of donations 1 week from today we'll open a new enforced rotations server and the current P99 blue will be FFA/Competitive" or vice versa with 1 time free character transfers to the new server for those that want to go. Do you honestly think it wouldn't happen? Any reasonable amount of money would EASILY be reached to make this a reality.

Class C will scream til they're blue in the face about how bad of an idea this is cause they don't really want competition and we all know it. They just want to continue to get their free pixels under the current ruleset that heavily favors them and brag about their pixels to people without neckbeards that will never have as many pixels as them. Can't do that if they're on a separate server.

[Lazie]

are you fucking stupid or just dense?

A-Team was already in Fearplane and it was an Earthquake that spawns CT

then min later you show up and train the fuck out of them.....they did not 'casually' zone into Fear in the middle of a repop to clear some armor mobs at the WW

this is why TMO is such a plague, their mindset is that everyone that is not doing what they are doing is wrong always.

[Tue Nov 11 21:28:48 2014] The ground shakes as the gods show their influence upon the races of Norrath. Creatures of all types stir to life in response. You feel you should get somewhere safe as soon as possible.

I'm not defending any train accidental or intentional. I thought at the time his train was accidental and I was in another guild at the time. It completely benefited the guild I was in because TMO at the time was told to sit out the repop. However, when a repop happens it tells you to get somewhere safe as soon as possible.

Again, I am not blaming A-team for what happened. However, social aggro happens very easily in EQ. Anyone can manipulate it and cause themselves to get trained to get another guild in trouble in almost any situation.

[Swish]

Two questions:

Should I even level to 60?

Is this a red recruitment thread?

Get to 60 in good time on red and enjoy the pvp - give it a try! <3

[Orruar]

Why is class C so opposed to the idea of a second server? Is it because they wouldn't be able to deprive others of their pixels? Or is it because they'll lose a lot of their income without all the RMT buyers around?

[Alarti0001]

Common sense says Class R would more easily be able to fund a server through donations than Class C. Just a numbers game. Not sure what you're getting at.



Why? Do explain your common sense.

[Uteunayr]

Implying that Class C is the sole reason P99 can afford to exist?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/351/eb6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cfBVe8U.jpg

That, and a lot of:

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[Yibz]

[Tue Nov 11 21:28:48 2014] The ground shakes as the gods show their influence upon the races of Norrath. Creatures of all types stir to life in response. You feel you should get somewhere safe as soon as possible.

I'm not defending any train accidental or intentional. I thought at the time his train was accidental and I was in another guild at the time. It completely benefited the guild I was in because TMO at the time was told to sit out the repop. However, when a repop happens it tells you to get somewhere safe as soon as possible.

Again, I am not blaming A-team for what happened. However, social aggro happens very easily in EQ. Anyone can manipulate it and cause themselves to get trained to get another guild in trouble in almost any situation.

Good work, Lazie! Surely now even someone with a name like TMBLOW will come around and see the error in continuing to pull yeah mobs through a kite while CT is up! :rolleyes:

[bigsykedaddy]

he knows exactly why he was DTd, we spoke about it afterwards. as far as the nonsense about "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", here's a super secret strategy, free of charge, from me, to you: camp/FD/or /q the aggro.

and going back to your utterly stupid statement of "this is how trak has been for 3 years derp", that is not how every trak has been for 3 years, and spoiler alert i've been around these here parts longer than that, and longer than you. Furthermore if you'd like to try some science id be willing to bet that if i give your guild two weeks off, it wouldn't happen a single time for those two weeks.

anything else?

Yeah everyone was saying I didn't know why you DT'd me because I didn't know until you got back to me. Everyone was blowing me up asking me why I was DT'd and I told everyone I didn't know. After you explained it to me I passed it on to the guild. Once you see the fraps you can see how i'm gravy baby.

I do think that once Trak is engaged the other guild should camp out to avoid any unwanted aggro. This is not saying you shouldn't control your shit , but it just makes it easier. When IB engages Trak before us, what do we do? We all camp out, every single time to avoid situations like this. I guess it's better to stay logged in w/ Fraps to play FrapsQuest instead of trying to play the game.

We want to just raid and play the game, not play FrapsQuest. I was even near the ledge inviz with fraps on because this is what it has come down to. A petty fraps war, which is a lot of fun /sarcasm. We should have some system like the NFL has with challenges. You only get so many per game (month in this case) and if you are wrong you eat a one week suspension. Not only would this lighten the GMs load tremendously, but it would also hold you accountable for throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

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[Ravager]

Why is class C so opposed to the idea of a second server? Is it because they wouldn't be able to deprive others of their pixels? Or is it because they'll lose a lot of their income without all the RMT buyers around?

Alarti solicits handouts to leave, so not a stretch.

[tito]

Get to 60 in good time on red and enjoy the pvp - give it a try! <3

I just might

[jcr4990]

Why? Do explain your common sense.Server has what ~1200 ppl a night? How many on avg out of those ~1200 are IB/TMO? Pretty sure less than half. We'll say 200 people even though I'm fairly certain its a LOT less than that. That leaves ~1000 people. Is Class C loaded up with retired millionaires or something? Cause otherwise I can't possibly see how you'd think they would raise more money. Without making some asinine assumption about the average Class C player making more money IRL than the average Class R player your argument makes zero sense. But then again most things you say make zero sense :(

[falkun]

Server has what ~1200 ppl a night? How many on avg out of those ~1200 are IB/TMO? Pretty sure less than half. We'll say 200 people even though I'm fairly certain its a LOT less than that. That leaves ~1000 people. Is Class C loaded up with retired millionaires or something? Cause otherwise I can't possibly see how you'd think they would raise more money. Without making some asinine assumption about the average Class C player making more money IRL than the average Class R player your argument makes zero sense. But then again most things you say make zero sense :(

This is why most people just add him to the ignore list. Common sense is so hard for Alarti he has to ask you to explain it. I quit bothering.

[Raev]

[Tue Nov 11 21:28:48 2014] The ground shakes as the gods show their influence upon the races of Norrath. Creatures of all types stir to life in response. You feel you should get somewhere safe as soon as possible.

Safe meaning don't let mobs spawn on you, not WATCH OUT FOR THE TMO BARD.

[Alarti0001]

Server has what ~1200 ppl a night? How many on avg out of those ~1200 are IB/TMO? Pretty sure less than half. We'll say 200 people even though I'm fairly certain its a LOT less than that. That leaves ~1000 people. Is Class C loaded up with retired millionaires or something? Cause otherwise I can't possibly see how you'd think they would raise more money. Without making some asinine assumption about the average Class C player making more money IRL than the average Class R player your argument makes zero sense. But then again most things you say make zero sense :(

Which class would be more willing to give donations?
Which class makes more money on average?
Would all of Class R go to the new server or would some stay?

Variables man....These intangibles make it impossible for you to have any valid opinion without the details. Common sense would allow you to realize this. Guess its not that common is it?

[Alarti0001]

This is why most people just add him to the ignore list. Common sense is so hard for Alarti he has to ask you to explain it. I quit bothering.

You always tried to explain your points with circular logic. You can call everything common sense. Stop bastardizing the expression.

[Daldaen]

Why is class C so opposed to the idea of a second server? Is it because they wouldn't be able to deprive others of their pixels? Or is it because they'll lose a lot of their income without all the RMT buyers around?

Because they know what would happen.

The server would have little to no influx of new players. Even with the ability to move log off rotation99, you would have almost no new blood. Class C guilds have high turnover rate. All hardcore guilds do. But these do especially since you ask people to regularly wake up at 4AM to kill Maestro.

Eventually enough would leave so that they cannot field a force to kill things, specifically come Velious. Their guilds would wither and die, then they will quit outright or some that can't let go will return to rotation 99.

End result, rotation backed server, hardcore neckbeards gone or forced to conform with rotation. Failure to conform would result in banning since GM backed rotation.

Less petition quest, more players participate in an active raid scene, no more FTE battles (maybe a few little skirmishes on Repops), no more tracking for 16 hours (I guess unless you REALLY want Vaniki), minimal batphones (just for repops), scheduled raid times so that you can wait to kill your rotation dragon at 7PM when your members are on even if he spawned at 4 AM.

[Raev]

Which class makes more money on average?

Shh Alarti, don't talk about RMT.

Also, common sense is precisely what enables you to fill in the answers to those questions.

Anyway, I'm wasting too much time here on the forums. BACK TO WORK

[Troubled]

You always tried to explain your points with circular logic. You can call everything common sense. Stop bastardizing the expression.

Common sense says that common sense would prevail in that situation.

[Alarti0001]

Shh Alarti, don't talk about RMT.

Also, common sense is precisely what enables you to fill in the answers to those questions.

Anyway, I'm wasting too much time here on the forums. BACK TO WORK

Then fill them in. Put down your opinion if you have the "common sense" to answer them accurately.

[jcr4990]

End result, rotation backed server, hardcore neckbeards gone or forced to conform with rotation. Failure to conform would result in banning since GM backed rotation.

Less petition quest, more players participate in an active raid scene, no more FTE battles (maybe a few little skirmishes on Repops), no more tracking for 16 hours (I guess unless you REALLY want Vaniki), minimal batphones (just for repops), scheduled raid times so that you can wait to kill your rotation dragon at 7PM when your members are on even if he spawned at 4 AM.Man... I can't even think of words to describe how awesome this would be. Why can't we have nice things? :(

[Alarti0001]

Man... I can't even think of words to describe how awesome this would be. Why can't we have nice things? :(

Don't forget a 30-40 guild rotation! Set your calendars!

[jcr4990]

Which class would be more willing to give donations?
Which class makes more money on average?
Would all of Class R go to the new server or would some stay?

Variables man....These intangibles make it impossible for you to have any valid opinion without the details. Common sense would allow you to realize this. Guess its not that common is it?1: Probably about equal
2: Probably about equal
3: A few Class R here and there might migrate to/stay on competitive server but the vast majority would not

Common Sense'd

[Alarti0001]

1: Probably about equal
2: Probably about equal
3: A few Class R here and there might migrate to/stay on competitive server but the vast majority would not

Common Sense'd

1. Probably not equal
2. Probably about equal
3. No way to define rationally without information. Common

[Alarti0001]

1. Probably not equal
2. Probably about equal
3. No way to define rationally without information. Common

Which reminds me there is another obvious variable.
4. How much would an individual in each class be willing to invest? Probably not equal.

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should mage tracking only be allowed at trakanon?


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Can you rephrase the question? To be more specific the issue you are addressing should not be mage tracking but the use of CoTH for FTE purposes. I do not think any class should be restricted from tracking.

I also would not want to see a rule that impedes the ability to use magicians and coth to move raid forces from point A to point B.
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The question is underdeveloped as it stands to call a vote on. Mages have significant utility and can be used in numerous ways besides coth ducking. As getsome said, I don't believe any class should be restricted from gameplay , at least to the extent of tracking.

I would like to see the options more accurately reflect these concerns before voting.
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I can't vote on this issue immediately because it opens other potential problems. Even though I do not like it, CoH has the benefit where it can at least be policed. The guilds have not come to an alternative raiding agreement that would be an overall improvement. And the staff won't support C/R and FFA repops.

So with that in mind, unless some of those other things can be resolved I am going to remain neutral.
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[Daldaen]

Don't forget a 30-40 guild rotation! Set your calendars!

30-40 guilds being able to kill Trakanon would be impressive.

Guilds that want to team up would share a single slot.
Currently rotations are between 6-10 slots. I don't see that changing much. Come Velious, they will likely be 6~ on the low end stuff. Higher end stuff will yield lots more alliances, maybe 3-4 rotation slots with each slot filled by a 2-3 guild alliance.

Hell stuff like AoW may go down to Class R first if there is a full R alliance to take him down. That would be pretty incredible IMO. That level of cooperation has never been seen on this server. Would be a nice change.

[jcr4990]

Which reminds me there is another obvious variable.
4. How much would an individual in each class be willing to invest? Probably not equal.It's cute that you think the level of neckbeard and douchebaggery and pixel hogging directly correlates to the amount of money individuals would be willing to donate.

Largest donation received from an individual in the recent charity deal was a Class R player. More than 1/2 of the raffle winners were Class R players. We're talking about 200 ppl vs 1000 ppl dude. I refuse to believe anybody is actually this dumb.

[Lazie]

I mean another example of this is in VP on a repop. Say you want to pull Druushk and you get the Pull. A guild training up Hoshkar for their pull can run him through your pull or drop him in the path of your pull. If they pull him through your pull and the person training Hoshkar up gets low health aggro...Druushk will turn around and chase them. They could do this intentionally and fraps the movement of Druushk and claim you are kiting as a guild.

Example of what Layze last night for IB did. He dropped Hoshkar in a place he wouldn't normally be. PD hallway. This caused Hoshkar to walk out of PD's hallway right into an incoming pull of Druushk and forced us to have to send a person all the way up there and stop it from happening.

[Tue Nov 11 21:30:36 2014] Hoshkar engages Layze!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:51 2014] Layze shouts, 'HOSHKAR DROPPED'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:08 2014] Kingore shouts, 'where did you drop him'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:16 2014] Kingore shouts, 'oh. on our pull.'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:18 2014] Layze shouts, 'PD area'

On Top of that off of one FTE message Layze of IB kept Hoshkar kited by his own admission for over 6 minutes with no intent to pull him to zone in and kill him. After they caused this problem they tried to rules lawyer because we had to handle the problem they caused.

[Tue Nov 11 21:39:13 2014] Hokushin shouts, 'Permission to tag Druushk out of the kite and IB kill him'

You didn't see us petition or cry foul. We handled it and killed our pull.

[falkun]

I refuse to believe anybody is actually this dumb.

There's a button for that. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=121)

[Alarti0001]

It's cute that you think the level of neckbeard and douchebaggery and pixel hogging directly correlates to the amount of money individuals would be willing to donate.

Largest donation received from an individual in the recent charity deal was a Class R player. More than 1/2 of the raffle winners were Class R players. We're talking about 200 ppl vs 1000 ppl dude. I refuse to believe anybody is actually this dumb.

It's cute that you think a one-time charitable donation is in any way related to how much someone would donate for a server.

[Nirgon]

Holo crootin

[Alarti0001]

Holo crootin

Nirgon.. what has this server become?

[Servellious]

you see another guild get FTE start camping, shit isnt rocket science it just takes coordination and people with braincells to log out and back in quickly form groups and pick up where they left off. We ALWAYS camp when ib engages trak because how many times does the train away go crazy, how many times does trak path like crazy, shit is mind boggling how a raid can sit and TRY to get trained in order to form a petition.

[Lazie]

I mean they Kited Hoshkar for over 6 minutes and dropped him into the path of an incoming pull and then tried to claim a kite by us on Druushk because we had to handle the mess they created. It gets rather comical with IB and the tricks they try to play.

[Nirgon]

Nirgon.. what has this server become?

I dunno we have this thing on red called "raid time" I think most people forgot what that's even like

See sig for my face when its raid time

[Nirgon]

If you're nodding off tracking Dracoliche or Talendor after a 6 hour stint and you realize your pixel life could be spent better elsewhere, send me a tell in game on red and I'll bind you and a group of pals somewhere when we have an off night.

[Alarti0001]

I dunno we have this thing on red called "raid time" I think most people forgot what that's even like

See sig for my face when its raid time

Isn't your sig a face of a man about to kill himself?

[Nirgon]

he aint afraid to die

or try red either

[Nirgon]

PLENTY OF TIME before Velious to get 60

A group of 6 dedicated players with the xp bonus on red could build a pixel empire well before Velious launch

The only experience I want to have with the blue launch is eating popcorn and chortling at the people fighting over portal teeth / trying to race to kill Zlandicar with 500 people crashing the zones

[Alarti0001]

PLENTY OF TIME before Velious to get 60

A group of 6 dedicated players with the xp bonus on red could build a pixel empire well before Velious launch

The only experience I want to have with the blue launch is eating popcorn and chortling at the people fighting over portal teeth / trying to race to kill Zlandicar with 500 people crashing the zones

Plenty of time before Velious i.e. Never. Velious isn't close to ready, almost no development and the Raid encounters are all fucked. Gloriously fucked even.

[Phats]

Our Kingpin of the TMO (ex FE) retard brigade is in full force today.

We had a solid run in VP followed by wiping ourselves on LDCs in Solb and Trak in Sebilis.

We cry foul even when we are wrong.


You didn't see us petition or cry foul.


1. Hokushin allegedly logged into the world at the bedroom, pulls PD.




There is a question about where Hokushin was camped out at. I zoned into VP 19 seconds after the ground shook and no IB were at zone in pad or close to it.

[Nirgon]

Plenty of time before Velious i.e. Never. Velious isn't close to ready, almost no development and the Raid encounters are all fucked. Gloriously fucked even.

Good then you definitely have enough time =)

Speaking of time, we have a set raid time tonight at prime time hours

We'll have it next week too

Can you imagine having that? You can!

Get 6 people, come over to red. Actually play EverQuest, actually do your epic and not buy it. We'll help you.

[Alarti0001]

Good then you definitely have enough time =)

Speaking of time, we have a set raid time tonight at prime time hours

We'll have it next week too

Can you imagine having that? You can!

Get 6 people, come over to red. Actually play EverQuest, actually do your epic and not buy it. We'll help you.

I don't like kunark :P

[Lazie]

Our Kingpin of the TMO (ex FE) retard brigade is in full force today.

We had a solid run in VP followed by wiping ourselves on LDCs in Solb and Trak in Sebilis.

We cry foul even when we are wrong.

Did we petition ? As usual we handle the messes you guys create. Which is clearly demonstrated by the logs I posted.

At first I thought it was blatant lack of knowledge about aggro mechanics. I mean why else would someone Drop Hoshkar right where he would path out and into Druushk coming down ? Why would anyone need to kite Hoshkar for 6 minutes when All IB pulled to that point was PD while we killed everything else ?

[Nirgon]

I don't like kunark :P

I don't call it playing Kunark, I call it getting ready for Velious because that's what we're doing

Yah feels

[iruinedyourday]

Pretty sure bards were monopolizing the raid targets

[Aadill]

I don't like kunark :P

Best expansion was clearly GoD and OoW.

I really like square zones with badly animated mobs slopped all over the zone like a prison cook took a few lessons on video game creation.

[Mac Drettj]

Or stay on blue ducking cohs for a week str8 HEH competition

[Alarti0001]

I don't call it playing Kunark, I call it getting ready for Velious because that's what we're doing

Yah feels

Lol ... back to my earlier statement.

[Alarti0001]

Best expansion was clearly GoD and OoW.

I really like square zones with badly animated mobs slopped all over the zone like a prison cook took a few lessons on video game creation.

Ewww... I'm a Velious/Luclin fan myself.

[Servellious]

Also Sirken i not trying to pick a fight with you because i appreciate the job you and the rest of the gm/guides do but i have tanked trakanon probably 50+ times and if you dont have a charged WC cap or mage coth you cannot get out of the shroom room alive, you get aggro instantly and the low hp aggro causes issues with trakanon, just keep that in mind even try it for yourself.

[kotton05]

Lol I didn't see where IB asked to kill our druushk pull. Was fun killing 3 in a row tho. Wasn't at trak but if you don't camp you shouldn't be able to petition. GG petition quest. Red is my savior. Should try it.

[Nirgon]

He isn't going to kill himself he's going to save his brother

Which is what I'm tryin to do for you guys here

Get a group of 6, I will come port and bind you.

Play red while you auction your shit in EC, its not considered 2 boxing as long as its on different servers. Trust me.

Red plat is 3x the value of blue in trades and people commonly do exchanges. Worst case scenario you take over lower guk and make 30k blue per fbss / 9k blue per SMR etc when you cash out and go back to Class whatever on a raid time at god knows what hour of the day.

When you realize Sirken could summon everyone full PD loot and they'd still find things to complain about, you'll see my point with blue.

[Lazie]

I mean another example of this is in VP on a repop. Say you want to pull Druushk and you get the Pull. A guild training up Hoshkar for their pull can run him through your pull or drop him in the path of your pull. If they pull him through your pull and the person training Hoshkar up gets low health aggro...Druushk will turn around and chase them. They could do this intentionally and fraps the movement of Druushk and claim you are kiting as a guild.

Example of what Layze last night for IB did. He dropped Hoshkar in a place he wouldn't normally be. PD hallway. This caused Hoshkar to walk out of PD's hallway right into an incoming pull of Druushk and forced us to have to send a person all the way up there and stop it from happening.

[Tue Nov 11 21:30:36 2014] Hoshkar engages Layze!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:51 2014] Layze shouts, 'HOSHKAR DROPPED'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:08 2014] Kingore shouts, 'where did you drop him'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:16 2014] Kingore shouts, 'oh. on our pull.'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:18 2014] Layze shouts, 'PD area'

On Top of that off of one FTE message Layze of IB kept Hoshkar kited by his own admission for over 6 minutes with no intent to pull him to zone in and kill him. After they caused this problem they tried to rules lawyer because we had to handle the problem they caused.

[Tue Nov 11 21:39:13 2014] Hokushin shouts, 'Permission to tag Druushk out of the kite and IB kill him'

You didn't see us petition or cry foul. We handled it and killed our pull.

I just want to requote this for Phats to try to spin....Remember we got suspended for a week because we supposedly dropped Druushk into one of IB's pulls(They were training Hoshkar to zone in at the time and didn't know it cause bad at game). Yet in Shout 7 seconds after a Druushk FTE Layze who had been kiting Hoshkar for over 6 minutes dropped him in a path that guaranteed he would aggro our pull instead of taking Hoshkar to zone in for a kill.

He aggroed that Hoshkar down near First bridge and four racnars btw. A one minute pull to zone in at most and the guy kited him for over 6 minutes and dropped him into the path of our pull. Not only that we had 42 people in zone while IB was struggling to get their numbers up. We could have pulled and killed Hoshkar in the time they kept him kited. However sticking to the server rules and respecting FTE messages we left it alone and pulled the Dragons that hadn't been FTE'd.

[Nirgon]

Merkk u like red pal?

8)

[Alarti0001]

He isn't going to kill himself he's going to save his brother

Which is what I'm tryin to do for you guys here

Get a group of 6, I will come port and bind you.

Play red while you auction your shit in EC, its not considered 2 boxing as long as its on different servers. Trust me.

Red plat is 3x the value of blue in trades and people commonly do exchanges. Worst case scenario you take over lower guk and make 30k blue per fbss / 9k blue per SMR etc when you cash out and go back to Class whatever on a raid time at god knows what hour of the day.

When you realize Sirken could summon everyone full PD loot and they'd still find things to complain about, you'll see my point with blue.

Is red complaining better?
Is red still being run by a single massive raid guild?
Is said raid guild still under the same leadership which engages in massive amounts of RMT?

[Phats]

Lazie and Dolic are saying the dumbest fucking shit.

How Trak agro mechanics work:


Trak doesnt randomly shroom people, shroom is on a timer and he shrooms whoever he is attacking at the time it refreshes



shroom wipes agro completely from the person that got shroomed, the only way trak chases him is if the juggs are kept within agro range of trak, and trak socials off their low hp agro on the person shroomed


What happens at Trak:


IB hasn't been able to camp out at the ledge when we have FTE´d the past 10 traks because every time IB tries to sit, our uncontrolled train gets sit agro on all of IB trying to camp and kills IB. While we are training the juggs they path on top of the ledge and our trainers do not maintain sufficient agro



its lose-lose-lose when we engage, we just run shit all over the place thinking of nothing but the pixels we will receive if our zerg happens to beat the odds that day and if we wipe then IB gets agro and die trying to camp, or IB get agro and die from us not knowing how the mechanics work after 15 years of kunark content being released



The only reason we can camp out when IB engages Trak is because they do not suck and wipe all the time, and properly kite away mobs without dragging them on top of us.


Btw I just found this video posted online. http://youtu.be/n94sy0Ics14 So much for our attempts to libel Hokushin.

http://i.imgur.com/f7ttBO3.png (http://imgur.com/f7ttBO3)

http://i.imgur.com/KzSmmbf.png (http://imgur.com/KzSmmbf)

http://i.imgur.com/eHDwAKg.png (http://imgur.com/eHDwAKg)

[Phats]

i have tanked trakanon probably 50+ times and if you dont have a charged WC cap or mage coth you cannot get out of the shroom room alive, you get aggro instantly and the low hp aggro causes issues with trakanon, just keep that in mind even try it for yourself.

run away and click a damn invis ring, or an idol, or a hat, or a gate pot, or a reaper, it takes 10 sec to get to port out.

stop sucking.

[Nirgon]

Is red complaining better? wut
Is red still being run by a single massive raid guild? yes but we don't destroy loot in front of people. new players get gear all the time. there's no 1000dkp hurdle before you even try to get started. there's no 5+ hour tracking stins
Is said raid guild still under the same leadership which engages in massive amounts of RMT? no

[Nirgon]

stints*

We gear mains over alts every single time :)

[Alarti0001]

stints*

We gear mains over alts every single time :)

Whats the point of competitive raiding especially on a red server if its run by a single massive guild.........?

[kotton05]

Yes nirgon. It's going well. It gets rid of this blue type petition quest of full retards who don't camp out when they should. Phats still trying hard to be relevant. You suck and clearly must hide being anon troll forever.

[Phats]

Yet in Shout 7 seconds after a Druushk FTE Layze who had been kiting Hoshkar for over 6 minutes dropped him in a path that guaranteed he would aggro our pull instead of taking Hoshkar to zone in for a kill.



Do you have fraps of all this prove it. I only see an announcement in shout. Hoshkar could have been roaming around unagro for quite some time. Perhaps he was just lazie about providing communication or should I say layze?

I find it hard to believe someone can kite Hoshkar down a one way tunnel for 6 minutes. But since you are the EQ god of everything, I bet you can do it.

[Alarti0001]

Lazie and Dolic are saying the dumbest fucking shit.

How Trak agro mechanics work:


Trak doesnt randomly shroom people, shroom is on a timer and he shrooms whoever he is attacking at the time it refreshes



shroom wipes agro completely from the person that got shroomed, the only way trak chases him is if the juggs are kept within agro range of trak, and trak socials off their low hp agro on the person shroomed


What happens at Trak:


IB hasn't been able to camp out at the ledge when we have FTE´d the past 10 traks because every time IB tries to sit, our uncontrolled train gets sit agro on all of IB trying to camp and kills IB. While we are training the juggs they path on top of the ledge and our trainers do not maintain sufficient agro



its lose-lose-lose when we engage, we just run shit all over the place thinking of nothing but the pixels we will receive if our zerg happens to beat the odds that day and if we wipe then IB gets agro and die trying to camp, or IB get agro and die from us not knowing how the mechanics work after 15 years of kunark content being released



The only reason we can camp out when IB engages Trak is because they do not suck and wipe all the time, and properly kite away mobs without dragging them on top of us.


Btw I just found this video posted online. http://youtu.be/n94sy0Ics14 So much for our attempts to libel Hokushin.



That video proves one thing. That Nietche is still only good for casting DMF.

[Snizatcher]

Lazie and Dolic are saying the dumbest fucking shit.

How Trak agro mechanics work:


Trak doesnt randomly shroom people, shroom is on a timer and he shrooms whoever he is attacking at the time it refreshes



shroom wipes agro completely from the person that got shroomed, the only way trak chases him is if the juggs are kept within agro range of trak, and trak socials off their low hp agro on the person shroomed


What happens at Trak:


IB hasn't been able to camp out at the ledge when we have FTE´d the past 10 traks because every time IB tries to sit, our uncontrolled train gets sit agro on all of IB trying to camp and kills IB. While we are training the juggs they path on top of the ledge and our trainers do not maintain sufficient agro



its lose-lose-lose when we engage, we just run shit all over the place thinking of nothing but the pixels we will receive if our zerg happens to beat the odds that day and if we wipe then IB gets agro and die trying to camp, or IB get agro and die from us not knowing how the mechanics work after 15 years of kunark content being released



The only reason we can camp out when IB engages Trak is because they do not suck and wipe all the time, and properly kite away mobs without dragging them on top of us.


Btw I just found this video posted online. http://youtu.be/n94sy0Ics14 So much for our attempts to libel Hokushin.

http://i.imgur.com/f7ttBO3.png (http://imgur.com/f7ttBO3)

http://i.imgur.com/KzSmmbf.png (http://imgur.com/KzSmmbf)

http://i.imgur.com/eHDwAKg.png (http://imgur.com/eHDwAKg)


/thread

[Alarti0001]

/thread

/timestamp

Also the thread was about other things.

[Nirgon]

Whats the point of competitive raiding especially on a red server if its run by a single massive guild.........?

Enemy guild got Phara Dar on repop.

They have a history of giving up easily.

If TMO or IB character copied over both current guilds would lose to them in the long fight.

Goes for pretty much every guild that ever existed on red.

[Lazie]

Lazie and Dolic are saying the dumbest fucking shit.

How Trak agro mechanics work:


Trak doesnt randomly shroom people, shroom is on a timer and he shrooms whoever he is attacking at the time it refreshes


[QUOTE=Phats;1676905]
shroom wipes agro completely from the person that got shroomed, the only way trak chases him is if the juggs are kept within agro range of trak, and trak socials off their low hp agro on the person shroomed


False. Thanks for proving you don't understand game mechanics on these mobs on this server.

(http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128226)

You are correct it is the person with the most aggro which is the tank until the tank dies. Then it is the random person with the most aggro. Please learn EQ before posting further. If Trak touch cleared aggro only the first tank to get shroomed would have aggro on the juggs around Trak as the Juggs are generally trained out of the lair before the rest of the raid engages. Please take the time to learn about what you argue.


Btw I just found this video posted online. http://youtu.be/n94sy0Ics14 So much for our attempts to libel Hokushin.

http://i.imgur.com/f7ttBO3.png (http://imgur.com/f7ttBO3)

http://i.imgur.com/KzSmmbf.png (http://imgur.com/KzSmmbf)

http://i.imgur.com/eHDwAKg.png (http://imgur.com/eHDwAKg)

Again I said it was the only question. I never said he didn't start at zone in. You really need to read carefully.

[Lazie]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128226&page=2

Hm link didn't post in the last post.

[Phats]

However sticking to the server rules and respecting FTE messages we left it alone and pulled the Dragons that hadn't been FTE'd.

We had no intention of going for Hoshkar first. Everytime in the past he has fucked us up. And for the past two months our raid leaders have used shout to communicate our intentions of pulling dragons that maybe had an IB FTE while they pulled down PD on repops, and the IB raid leader has always communicated back to us immidiately to go for it.

Keep preaching the lies my brother. We had a solid showing in VP except for the two minutes when Druushk pathed back up, before we pulled it down.

[Alarti0001]

Keep preaching the lies my brother.

LOL This made me giggle. Coming from a guy who is known to edit screens. It's like when Chest accuses someone of "spinning".

[Mac Drettj]

Instead of arguring about who got the most FTE messages (biggest loser irl since +- 7 day varience), ya lo should roll red and win by attacking and being better at EQ/organization

[kotton05]

We had no intention of going for Hoshkar first. Everytime in the past he has fucked us up. And for the past two months our raid leaders have used shout to communicate our intentions of pulling dragons that maybe had an IB FTE while they pulled down PD on repops, and the IB raid leader has always communicated back to us immidiately to go for it.

Keep preaching the lies my brother. We had a solid showing in VP except for the two minutes when Druushk pathed back up, before we pulled it down.

Druushk was a direct pull

[falkun]

Whats the point of competitive raiding especially on a *blue* server if its run by a single massive guild who can't even kill the competition?

I don't often read your posts, but sometimes you need to ask yourself the same question.

[Snizatcher]

LOL This made me giggle. Coming from a guy who is known to edit screens. It's like when Chest accuses someone of "spinning".

All you guys spin... It's like deciding who's providing more accurate facts, Limbaugh or Sharpton. You're all biased to your own shit.

[Aadill]

Ewww... I'm a Velious/Luclin fan myself.

Well duhhhh.

Gosh Alarti you were always bad with sarcasm ugh.

[Nirgon]

LOL This made me giggle. Coming from a guy who is known to edit screens. It's like when Chest accuses someone of "spinning".

How about trying to label a guild controlling content as a problem?

Didn't seem like a problem to you for a very long time. Especially when it was because everyone else just gave up easy.

Hell I was sitting right next to you for a lot of it bud.

You can go ahead and admit the red server might be a good solution for people sick of the blue raid scene if you want.

Holo crootin.

[Lazie]

We had no intention of going for Hoshkar first. Everytime in the past he has fucked us up. And for the past two months our raid leaders have used shout to communicate our intentions of pulling dragons that maybe had an IB FTE while they pulled down PD on repops, and the IB raid leader has always communicated back to us immidiately to go for it.

Keep preaching the lies my brother. We had a solid showing in VP except for the two minutes when Druushk pathed back up, before we pulled it down.

Mhm..keep spinning. How does Druushk get from his lair to zone in in under 5 minutes if he pathed up 2 minutes ? Pathing up 2 minutes and back down those same 2 minutes adds 4 minutes to a roughly 4 and a half minute pull. That would make the pull over 8 minutes long. Please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.

[Mac Drettj]

Lazie who cares lol

[Lazie]

Druushk was a direct pull

This guy right here pulled Druushk and was hahaha...Helping kill Xygoz while he was incoming. Please tell us how it wasn't a direct pull.

[Lazie]

Lazie who cares lol

Meh, not many really.

[Mac Drettj]

That's the point. Nobody cares how many 72 hour benders youve logged to aquire a jav quest win for +1 dkp

[Lazie]

Just to clarify though...

[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!

http://i.imgur.com/qhIK0c5.jpg

We were stalling so hard with our Druushk Puller at zone in Melleeing Xygoz.

[Phats]

We pulled and killed every mob we engaged cleanly.


[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:41:34 2014] Soluknar assumes a defensive fighting style'

And Druushk was engaged 4 minutes and 40 seconds after the FTE message.



Why does our guild take 5 minutes to pull a mob this week when it only took us 3 & 1/2 minutes last week?

I will admit 2 minutes was not accurate, it was only a 90 second stall.

In before Lazie tells us the Druushk last week had a sow sword and ran faster!!!!

[Mon Nov 03 12:39:11 2014] Druushk engages Warmetal!
[Mon Nov 03 12:42:45 2014] Gunnter says out of character, 'Druushk is coming'
[Mon Nov 03 12:42:45 2014] Druushk tries to claw Dannyl, but misses!

[fastboy21]

Show me on the doll where he death-touched you.

good one. +2 points.

[Lazie]

Why does our guild take 5 minutes to pull a mob this week when it only took us 3 & 1/2 minutes last week?

I will admit 2 minutes was not accurate, it was only a 90 second stall.

In before Lazie tells us the Druushk last week had a sow sword and ran faster!!!!

[Mon Nov 03 12:39:11 2014] Druushk engages Warmetal!
[Mon Nov 03 12:42:45 2014] Gunnter says out of character, 'Druushk is coming'
[Mon Nov 03 12:42:45 2014] Druushk tries to claw Dannyl, but misses!

It didn't take 5 minutes...It took 4m and 30 odd seconds to get to zone in. As I mentioned IB dropped Hoshkar into the pull path of Druushk. We had to then send someone up because IB did not maintain the aggro of Hoshkar and dropped him into the path of Druushk. It took roughly 12 to 15 seconds to clean this up. These tactics by IB to cause mobs to path up are getting old. I suspect Sirken will do the right thing.

[kotton05]

Not to mention at that time I was boxing red killing Inny too>_<

[Lazie]

[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:51 2014] Layze shouts, 'HOSHKAR DROPPED'

Again try to spin further. Why did you kite Hoshkar for 6+ minutes then randomly decide to drop him when we got an FTE that both guilds were racing for ? Remember before you answer. TMO got suspended for one week when you guys claimed we dropped a Druushk into the path of your pull.

[Phats]

It didn't take 5 minutes...It took 4m and 30 odd seconds to get to zone in. As I mentioned IB dropped Hoshkar into the pull path of Druushk. We had to then send someone up because IB did not maintain the aggro of Hoshkar and dropped him into the path of Druushk. It took roughly 12 to 15 seconds to clean this up. These tactics by IB to cause mobs to path up are getting old. I suspect Sirken will do the right thing.

Your math is getting interesting. First it was 4:40 when your logs show 4:50 and now you claim 4:30 .

I have a news flash, aside from Hoshkar going into his lair, his entire pathing route is along the pull path of every dragon in VP.

I expect your next post to state Druushk entered our camp in under 4 minutes.

Lazie keep up the great work. You are a pillar of the P99 community that we should all look up to.

[Mac Drettj]

Cry about it imo. Also get your norrathian lawyers to reevaluate rules of engagement.

[kotton05]

It's a stall to IB cuz they didn't have pull. Duh. I've seen IB pull pd to balcony, but that was just skillful pulling according to them... Go fuck yourself. Gotta say tho Red repops are fun in holo, sad I missed vs and sev due to blue.

[Lazie]

Your math is getting interesting. First it was 4:40 when your logs show 4:50 and now you claim 4:30 .

I have a news flash, aside from Hoshkar going into his lair, his entire pathing route is along the pull path of every dragon in VP.

I expect your next post to state Druushk entered our camp in under 4 minutes.

Lazie keep up the great work. You are a pillar of the P99 community that we should all look up to.

You are responsible for the aggro of the mob once you aggro it. You kited Hoshkar for 6+ minutes and we could not pull him. We knew Sirken was in zone so we decided to pull the Dragons that weren't engaged to be safe. Sirken saw Layze shout he was Dropping Hoshkar right after Druushk got FTE'd. I know he understand aggro mechanics as well.

I will explain them to you. Since the guy already training up for Druushk had to also deal with Hoshkar (Thanks to IB dropping him in the pull path). It means when he runed Druushk would turn around with Hoshkar. I'll give you a direct quote from Hokushin. This is the same argument he used when we got suspended.

[Mon Jul 28 14:43:57 2014] Hokushin -> Lazie: but, if your points were accurate in this instance, we would have still been able to derail a hoshkar train, we cant derail hoshkar + your druushk

[Mon Jul 28 14:44:24 2014] Lazie -> Hokushin: we cant kill Druushk with you guys training Hosh to entrance.
[Mon Jul 28 14:44:48 2014] Hokushin -> Lazie: hosh is in druushks pull path, you should have done something with him when you initially got FTE

Sorry Hokushin agrees with me. You trained Hoshkar into the path of our pull.

[Raev]

see you on red, merkk

[Alarti0001]

I don't often read your posts, but sometimes you need to ask yourself the same question.

Guys I have Alarti on ignore..... (I secretly read all his posts)

The huge difference here is on Blue we had other massive raid guilds competing with us. Thanks for playing.

[Alarti0001]

All you guys spin... It's like deciding who's providing more accurate facts, Limbaugh or Sharpton. You're all biased to your own shit.

I dont spin.. Sorry.

[Alarti0001]

I don't often read your posts, but sometimes you need to ask yourself the same question.

shame on you... you also edited my question. Derp

[Phats]

[Tue Nov 11 21:36:44 2014] Druushk engages Merkk!
[Tue Nov 11 21:36:51 2014] Layze shouts, 'HOSHKAR DROPPED'



OMG if our claims prove to be true Hoshkar was dropped on the opposite side of the zone 7 seconds after an FTE msg on Druushk and you are shedding fucking tears over it.

http://i.imgur.com/xya47uu.jpg (http://imgur.com/xya47uu)

[Alarti0001]

Well duhhhh.

Gosh Alarti you were always bad with sarcasm ugh.

Pickle it was a double dose of sarcasm. Feigning oblivious. Wry unawareness. Oh shit.... did you get me with triple sarcasm!

[AK47]

It's cute that you think the level of neckbeard and douchebaggery and pixel hogging directly correlates to the amount of money individuals would be willing to donate.

Largest donation received from an individual in the recent charity deal was a Class R player. More than 1/2 of the raffle winners were Class R players. We're talking about 200 ppl vs 1000 ppl dude. I refuse to believe anybody is actually this dumb.

It's cute that a person playing a 15+ year old game is calling other people neckbeards.

[Lazie]

OMG if our claims prove to be true Hoshkar was dropped on the opposite side of the zone 7 seconds after an FTE msg on Druushk and you are shedding fucking tears over it.

http://i.imgur.com/xya47uu.jpg (http://imgur.com/xya47uu)

I'm sure you have fraps he was there right ? Please share. Because this happened to one of our guys handling the aggro going up.


[Tue Nov 11 21:36:51 2014] Layze shouts, 'HOSHKAR DROPPED'
[Tue Nov 11 21:37:42 2014] Hoshkar engages Kingore!

Boy he really walked a longgggg way in under a minute.

[Alarti0001]

How about trying to label a guild controlling content as a problem?

Didn't seem like a problem to you for a very long time. Especially when it was because everyone else just gave up easy.

Hell I was sitting right next to you for a lot of it bud.

You can go ahead and admit the red server might be a good solution for people sick of the blue raid scene if you want.

Holo crootin.

.... I always thought during the period that TMO was unchallenged that it was a problem.
Most of our best members quit (or seriously reduced their playtime) for other things during that time.... with the exception of Stealin... he quit cause he's a clown.

I doubt most of TMO at that time seriously thought logging into VP unopposed for PD #3xxxx was fun. So basically you are just offering more of the same or maybe even less considering your server pop. Now if you could convince 1-200 people to all start simultaneously or even within a brief timespan from one another, you might have something. (Highly doubtful tho)