Language in PvP Server Chat Forum and In Game

[Derubael]

I'm still having to ban people who can't stop themselves from saying "faggot" in the Server Chat forum.

It's an easy, simple rule to follow. If you want to use those words, take it to RnF.

Seems like a good time to remind everyone "******" or any of it's variations are treated the same way. Also keep in mind this isn't the place for flames, antagonistic or caustic posts, or outright trolling.

Same goes for in-game with all this stuff. Including excessive flaming/caustic statements/trolling. There's a line. There may be a handful of you without social filters who don't know where that line is - if this is you, ask your friends to help you draw that line. Everyone else shouldn't have any trouble figuring that out.

Again, we don't want or need care-bear hugs. We just need to keep some semblance of civility in this forum and in public game channels. It's not hard to do. Save yourself the suspension and think before you post/type.

[Mac Drettj]

Hi

[Littlegyno 10.0]

does fire giant and night rider count? cuz its a completely different words and meaning imho.

[Nocsucow]

vibrate PST!!!!

[Derubael]

Hi

Hi retti!

does fire giant and night rider count? cuz its a completely different words and meaning imho.

Don't care about either of these. Just watch the context.

[georgie]

I'm still having to ban people who can't stop themselves from saying "faggot" in the Server Chat forum.

It's an easy, simple rule to follow. If you want to use those words, take it to RnF.

Seems like a good time to remind every "******" or any of it's variations are treated the same way. Also keep in mind this isn't the place for flames, antagonistic or caustic posts, or outright trolling.

Same goes for in-game with all this stuff. Including excessive flaming/caustic statements/trolling. There's a line. There may be a handful of you without social filters who don't know where that line is - if this is you, ask your friends to help you draw that line. Everyone else shouldn't have any trouble figuring that out.

Again, we don't want or need care-bear hugs. We just need to keep some semblance of civility in this forum and in public game channels. It's not hard to do. Save yourself the suspension and think before you post/type.

[Uuruk]

why stop on the server chat when you can do it in game?

http://i.imgur.com/oMNu2w5.png

Goes to show how toxic this server is.

[Colgate]

dat person seemed very upset

[Farzo]

why stop on the server chat when you can do it in game?

http://i.imgur.com/oMNu2w5.png

Goes to show how toxic this server is.


lol pops a disc on a warrior and kills a wiz....then sends tells to the person saying he sucks.... that there about sums up a ton of the people that play on this server.

Elmo Def an AZ player.

[Uuruk]

I've survived a Bush mighty strikes before. That shit is op as fuck.

[Potus]

why stop on the server chat when you can do it in game?

http://i.imgur.com/oMNu2w5.png

Goes to show how toxic this server is.

That guy is really obsessed with homosexuals. Here's a pic to help him figure things out

http://i.imgur.com/qkwP6VS.jpg

[Tassador]

Person could of been joking around and you took it to heart. I mean the guild name is whites...

P.s. Gyno is the king tranix of Fire Giants.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Dis server got problems

[Not Salem]

Since when was it cool to take SS's of yourself getting killed, then post on the forums about it?

[Trader Mule]

lmao Elmo that's so funny.

[Agatha]

can't believe the GM's actually need to waste time policing how people talk.... this is a video game.... faggot and curse words are part of the game.

blows my mind.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

can't believe the GM's actually need to waste time policing how people talk.... this is a video game.... faggot and curse words are part of the game.

blows my mind.

It is sad they have to waste their time on that.

I'm 29 and am probably around the same age as the rest of the server. Why this word is used is beyond me. If you said it in good company you'd be shunned.

/shrug

[mostbitter]

lol people don't shun each other for dropping f bombs in public. I can't even believe that this is an issue on a game played by mostly men ages 20-60. Some of yall need to grow a pair

[magician]

keep your dirty paws away from my red beast

[Agatha]

It is sad they have to waste their time on that.

I'm 29 and am probably around the same age as the rest of the server. Why this word is used is beyond me. If you said it in good company you'd be shunned.

/shrug

im 27 and outside of video games, the word faggot is tossed around alot, ingame even more so.


everyone who grew up in my generation was raised on to know faggot as a curse word, not a derogatory term towards gays. and is used by everyone, and to start taking account action over curse words, not to mention ingame punishment for forum posting....

i don't know i just don't like the proactive looking for something to ban/suspend approach to GMing. Server will be the same if you suspend people for saying curse words, the server will be the same if you don't in the end you are only griefing people. and in my opinion GM's arn't here to grief.

[Agatha]

lol people don't shun each other for dropping f bombs in public. I can't even believe that this is an issue on a game played by mostly men ages 20-60. Some of yall need to grow a pair

exactly, i honestly cannot believe this is even a problem and actively being persued. staff needs to entirely rethink this shit.

edit : if someone comes to the staff with a petition about language you need to call them a F-word and ban them for rule lawyering and abusing the GM's. i cant believe you guys are getting played like this so hard.

[mostbitter]

I would personally rather see GM's online doing 2 boxing tests, catching people exploiting, training, running events, answering petitions or even just not see a gm. Red has an excessively finite amount of resources when it comes to the staff and this seems like an immense waste of that time.

[Barkingturtle]

im 27 and outside of video games, the word faggot is tossed around alot, ingame even more so.


everyone who grew up in my generation was raised on to know faggot as a curse word, not a derogatory term towards gays. and is used by everyone....
.

Why is this specific term so ubiquitous amongst boys your age? Why does it seem so important to you? Couldn't you substitute "pussy"? I mean, that still questions your target's masculinity, right? Not gay enough? How about "bitch" or "cocksucker"? "Ass-pussy"?

[mostbitter]

blame our parents idk agatha one of gayest dudes on the server tho for real that dude looked at my dick

[Clark]

why stop on the server chat when you can do it in game?

http://i.imgur.com/oMNu2w5.png

Goes to show how toxic this server is.

Guy was being a jerk, but pretty sure nobody cares that much what people say to you in tells. There's a certain point at which you have to draw a line on a pvp server; it goes both ways. If he was offensive you ignored him; so doesn't seem like big deal.

[Clark]

I would personally rather see GM's online doing 2 boxing tests, catching people exploiting, training, running events, answering petitions or even just not see a gm. Red has an excessively finite amount of resources when it comes to the staff and this seems like an immense waste of that time.

Excellent post; I remember when I asked GMs to invis stalk raid mobs on a 200+ man live twitch question stream roughly a year ago (so people don't have to submit gay fraps every single time). They did it for like 1-2 weeks and went back into complete hibernation. Literally never see GMs at raid encounters is embarrassing with all due respect.

There is no better way to catch people cheating/training/being idiots than GM invis stalking a raid encounter.

[Agatha]

blame our parents idk agatha one of gayest dudes on the server tho for real that dude looked at my dick

can confirm, seen mostbitters penis.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Unless I missed it in this thread, no one cares about the word fuck or other swears. I certainly don't.

Calling someone a faggot or a ****** in a public channel is low and I personally find it refreshing that GMs are trying to keep a minimum level of decorum. Trust me on this, on e you elevate your life beyond the federal tax minimum, the number of people calling eachother faggots quickly drops off. As it should

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Guy was being a jerk, but pretty sure nobody cares that much what people say to you in tells. There's a certain point at which you have to draw a line on a pvp server; it goes both ways. If he was offensive you ignored him; so doesn't seem like big deal.

It may not be a big deal but it's the main contributor to why people don't stay here.

This kinda shit in server chat/ooc begets more of it. Soon enough, 90% of the people you play with treat you like dogshit and you lack the motivation to log in.

Surely you've noticed a critical mass with regards to new people/pop?

[Derubael]

While I respect and understand some of your viewpoints regarding where "the line" gets drawn in regards to language, verbal exchanges, and general hostility, this isn't something that's going to change.

It's funny that people think we "put resources" into policing language. When I see someone say a banned word in server chat, I slap a temporary forum ban on them. It's not like I run forum searches for specific words. I don't go out of my way to check on these things. Most of the time, it happens when I'm not even on "csr time" and am instead just using my free time to catch up on threads. This is usually how it works for the rest of the staff too.

It's more or less the same for policing in-game chat. If I see someone stepping out of line in OOC when I'm working on something, red or blue, I usually pull them aside and give them a warning. If they've had a warning before, or they should know better, they get slapped with a punishment. It's a zero effort task. Don't worry, super-concerned-about-the-server forum goers who don't think verbal communication is an important part of how the server presents itself to new and current players, you aren't losing CSR time over the f word.

What blows my mind, Agatha and company, is that you guys don't think it makes a difference on the server when people just run their mouths and say whatever they want. There are definitely people - and I'm part of this group - who really couldn't care less what we see people say or talk about. For all I care I could watch you all talk about doing drugs and having sex with trannys all day and it wouldn't have any effect on my play experience. This group is the minority. A very loud and opinionated minority. The rest of the population doesn't like listening/reading that kind of shit, and shouldn't be subjected to it just because a handful of people feel like it doesn't matter. You guys clearly think that Sirken and I are just making shit up when we tell you that players quit or simply never come play here because of that and nothing else. These people aren't "pussies" and they don't need to "toughen up". That's a narrow-minded and skewed perception of social interaction. Even though I'm not affected by that kind of language, I can recognize that other people are, and that's why it's not allowed here, and never will be.

As a side note,

Excellent post; I remember when I asked GMs to invis stalk raid mobs on a 200+ man live twitch question stream roughly a year ago (so people don't have to submit gay fraps every single time). They did it for like 1-2 weeks and went back into complete hibernation. Literally never see GMs at raid encounters is embarrassing with all due respect.

There is no better way to catch people cheating/training/being idiots than GM invis stalking a raid encounter.

We do our best to be where we can, but CSR work on P99 extends far beyond just watching people mess around during raid encounters. That accounts for a small percentage of the total population on both servers (though it is a significantly larger portion on Red), and there are LOTS of other things to attend to. I'm sorry that we are unable to babysit fully grown adults when they go to fight dragons, but we really shouldn't have to. We still realize that it is necessary, however, and just because you don't see us doesn't mean we are in "complete hibernation". We are finally bringing more Guides onto the staff for both Red and Blue to be eyes and ears, as well as to help take some of the load off of the senior CSR staff (mainly Eunomia, myself, Sirken), and our overworked red hero Aussie, who has a crazy schedule IRL and still finds time to come over here and work with you guys as often as he can. This should make a huge difference in CSR presence on both servers.

It's really simple to think you have GM'ing (or Guiding, really, since that's the majority of the work when it comes to CSR - the things that "only GM's" can handle tend to be things you guys don't even think about) all figured out, but it's probably not what you think. We are forced to look at the macro picture for every situation, including the well-being of both servers, at all times. That doesn't always afford us the luxury of focusing on what we'd like to focus on, or what a handful of players would like us to focus on. It would be great if doing CSR on p99 was as simple as "watch badguys. ban badguys." but it's not, and I laugh every-time someone tries to boast that they would be the best CSR because they would "catch all the people they know are bad for the server." I realize that sounds condescending and I don't have a problem with that - so far our current CSR staff has done a great job, and I'm proud of the way our team continues to work to provide you guys an enjoyable Everquest experience. Feel free to armchair GM as much as you'd like, but recognize that it means very little to us in the long run. That's doesn't mean we don't respect our players opinions, criticisms, or insights, because we absolutely do! We love you guys and will continue to work hard so that Project 1999 continues to be the best emulated Everquest server available. That has been, and always will be, our goal as a CSR staff.

tl;dr - not everyone likes what you like or wants to hear what you're used to hearing. Doing CSR with a small team and a very loud and opinionated player-base is difficult but rewarding. The CSR staff feels like we get it right most of the time, even though there will always be a few loud naysayers who think otherwise. we <3 you.

[mostbitter]

Unless I missed it in this thread, no one cares about the word fuck or other swears. I certainly don't.

Calling someone a faggot or a ****** in a public channel is low and I personally find it refreshing that GMs are trying to keep a minimum level of decorum. Trust me on this, on e you elevate your life beyond the federal tax minimum, the number of people calling eachother faggots quickly drops off. As it should

I'm glad you are comfortable excluding plebes in your fantasy palace!

[tk2]

I am a gigantic faggot with no life outside policing everquest forums. Love me my life hurts.


Please go in the garage and smash both your balls with a hammer so you can never breed.

thx

[Derubael]

Please go in the garage and smash both your balls with a hammer so you can never breed.

thx

I am sorry that you cannot function in a social environment Tomatoking.

[Knuckle]

Since when was it cool to take SS's of yourself getting killed, then post on the forums about it?

Agreed

[Uuruk]

Since when was it cool to take SS's of yourself getting killed, then post on the forums about it?

Needed the evidence for my petition for harassment. You think i give a fuck about getting mighty striked out?

[Kraftwerk]

I could watch you all talk about doing drugs and having sex with trannys all day

I think we're all in agreement with this

[Not Salem]

I mean you actually care that someone called you a name on the Internet... What's the deal anyways I've petitioned before for harassment in tells and /say and i was told that I was just to put the person on ignore?

[kotton05]

/ignore works well

/ex does to

[Uuruk]

I mean you actually care that someone called you a name on the Internet... What's the deal anyways I've petitioned before for harassment in tells and /say and i was told that I was just to put the person on ignore?

Except the player continues harassing players and potentially pushing people away from the server.

[Not Salem]

so I petitioned bosshog for calling me a faggot and asking me to call him daddy and this was the response I got from the GM's -

http://i.imgur.com/jdMEIsF.png

with that being said the thread was closed and moved to resolved

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Are you saying it's ok for players to call other players faggots as long as they only do it once?

Are you saying it's ok for players to call other players faggots as long as it's to players who are not new to the server?

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Derubael was there a thread bumped or stickied or a MOTD posted in game regarding this new change in rules? Or was it implemented as you suspended the player?

[Mac Drettj]

lol

[Pokesan]

Rule lawyering about hateful slurs

Stay golden, R99

[Bazia]

petition quest gotten real bad lately

sorry for headache gm pals

[Clark]

petition quest gotten real bad lately

sorry for headache gm pals

Stupid petitionquest!

Good post as well Deru. If any of you guys do get a chance to invis stalk Innoruuk though would be grateful; some extremely shady things have been happening the last dozen or so of his spawns.

[Not Salem]

Agree I get accused of reported for boxxing / gui haxx / packet laggers / MQ every day probably mind numbing for the GM's to deal with all that crying

[Derubael]

so I petitioned bosshog for calling me a faggot and asking me to call him daddy and this was the response I got from the GM's -

http://i.imgur.com/jdMEIsF.png

with that being said the thread was closed and moved to resolved

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Are you saying it's ok for players to call other players faggots as long as they only do it once?

Are you saying it's ok for players to call other players faggots as long as it's to players who are not new to the server?

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Derubael was there a thread bumped or stickied or a MOTD posted in game regarding this new change in rules? Or was it implemented as you suspended the player?

If I see someone stepping out of line in OOC when I'm working on something, red or blue, I usually pull them aside and give them a warning.

I know it was a long post, and I love it when people format their replies all nice and neat with lines and margins and proper punctuation, but plz read before responding.

If you read the next sentence after the one I quoted it should all come together!

[magician]

jesus christ delete this thread plz

[Not Salem]

Because you usually give people warnings? So sometimes you might not?

sounds about right

[Farzo]

DW Durabael let me tl:dr it for Salem and make it simplier.


Gm said he see u using word faggot u get warning
Gm said he see u do it again he suspend u.

Gm said not gunna be Nazi about it but u do do in front of him he do do u

[Derubael]

Because you usually give people warnings? So sometimes you might not?

sounds about right

Pretty much everything is, and always has been, situational.

If I have two players, one who has been caught training 10 times, and one who got pissed and screwed up for the first time, the first guy is going to sit out for a while or maybe even get banned. The second guy is probably going to get 7 days tops.Same thing with language. If gyno starts spamming the n-bomb in ooc, he's not going to get a warning. If some guy lets one slip when referring to his friend using slang, they'll probably get a warning.

This isn't a mind-blowing concept. If you can't rely on the CSR staffs judgement in this regard I don't know why you'd play with overlords you don't trust. :eek:

[Smedy]

Rule lawyering about hateful slurs

Stay golden, R99

both hate and love this community at the same time, shits very vlassic

[heartbrand]

I don't know why the staff try to bother justifying this stuff instead of just forum banning / locking thread. Copy pasting your petitions you disagree on should remove your petition privileges.

[Juhstin]

lol people don't shun each other for dropping f bombs in public. I can't even believe that this is an issue on a game played by mostly men ages 20-60. Some of yall need to grow a pair

[FoxxHound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDDswGsJ60

[Fame]

Such emotion, much feels, pras

[Swish]

Come on pals, lets sing some campfire songs and have a gay old time <3

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2012/04/11/campfire.gif

[Burgerking]

Pretty much everything is, and always has been, situational.

If I have two players, one who has been caught training 10 times, and one who got pissed and screwed up for the first time, the first guy is going to sit out for a while or maybe even get banned. The second guy is probably going to get 7 days tops.Same thing with language. If gyno starts spamming the n-bomb in ooc, he's not going to get a warning. If some guy lets one slip when referring to his friend using slang, they'll probably get a warning.

This isn't a mind-blowing concept. If you can't rely on the CSR staffs judgement in this regard I don't know why you'd play with overlords you don't trust. :eek:

Ignore Salem, he just really wants the GM's to go away so he can go back to using stick, and screendragging.

[Malevz]

Never seen Salem screen drag. I'd say Ragnaros is the king of screendragging on server, which doesn't seem to help much. Problem is you only really notice when the opposition does it. Salem from what I've seen is pretty clean whistle.

[Mac Drettj]

Never seen Salem screen drag. I'd say Ragnaros is the king of screendragging on server, which doesn't seem to help much. Problem is you only really notice when the opposition does it. Salem from what I've seen is pretty clean whistle.

king? more like autistic spaz who just learned how to do it and cant stop wont stop

[Malevz]

What Retti said.

[Burgerking]

Never seen Salem screen drag. I'd say Ragnaros is the king of screendragging on server, which doesn't seem to help much. Problem is you only really notice when the opposition does it. Salem from what I've seen is pretty clean whistle.

Yea all those bans he ate for Screendragging must have been a mistake, have you heard that Lite doesn't dual box either.

[Juhstin]

Screendragging? Is this where I let guys drag nuts across my face?

If not, can someone teach me how to screen drag?

[BardPop]

So saying certain words on forums is so un ok it can only be allowed in rnf, but it's allowed in game. The server is a giant rnf forum then?

[Fame]

welcome to red you little firegiant