52 Druid - Will I get destroyed in bear pits?

[beev]

I'm trudging my way through level 51 near Karnors Castle right now but will hit 52 of course by week's end. I looked at the level of the bears in Permafrost and am wondering if any druids with experience think I will struggle charming them bears in the pit at 52?

I for some reason remember seeing the recommendation being level 55-60 but the highest level bear is maybe 46 according to the beastiary.

Other than spirocs, any other good quadding locations you can recommend?

[Juhstin]

You will not get destroyed, you'll just need to take it slow at that level. Like wise Kedge is always a great place as well if you are comfortable with charm killing

[rafaone]

Spirocs are the best xp place to quad in game IMO (Easy mode, great xp and they have no faction hit), and can be used up to 53 (even 54 if you need a good AFK camp, but xp really slow down at that point).

Maybe you can try bouncers in Oggok if you want a change.

About your original question, I think bear pits are doable at level 52, but you will need to take it slowly as Juhstin says.

Gav

[beev]

Thank you for the feedback. I did try Kedge and died unfortunately. Read a guide that for some reason said charming seahorses was all good - bad idea when they casted on me.

I will give bear pits a try and if it doesn't work out so be it :)

[Wenuven]

Dont try Bear Pits without call of karana/glamour of tunare unless you want to die again and not be able to find a rez. :P

[beev]

Wenuven, does Glamour of Tunare cause stuff to aggro? I'd assume it does. So how does one pop off a call of karana in time to not getting eaten alive by two bears? Does one root both and then charm? Sorry, practiaclly a level 51 noob here.

[rafaone]

Glamour of Tunare does cause Aggro. I guess you will need to rooth both MoBs before doing it. Also keep in mind you can use Glamour of Tunare when the MoB is charmed, but don't really know if it does change that charm duration.

[Daldaen]

You cannot Glamour an already charmed pet. Just like you can't Ensnare or root an already charmed pet.

[iruinedyourday]

i consider myself pretty good at eq.. I tried to do Kedge zone in with my enchanter at lvl like 53? and i got my ass handed to me.. I was rekt constantly.. I couldn't do it at ALL..

how you druids master Kedge keep will remain a mystery to me. That stuff seems impossible!

[Wenuven]

You cannot Glamour an already charmed pet. Just like you can't Ensnare or root an already charmed pet.

Are you sure about that?

Maybe it is a bug, but it seems to let you cast glamour on a charmed pet (unlike snare, root, etc).

[Wenuven]

i consider myself pretty good at eq.. I tried to do Kedge zone in with my enchanter at lvl like 53? and i got my ass handed to me.. I was rekt constantly.. I couldn't do it at ALL..

how you druids master Kedge keep will remain a mystery to me. That stuff seems impossible!

Kedge is pretty hard. Harder than Bear Pits in my opinion actually. It took me like a day to master Bear Pits and a week to master Kedge to where I could camp most all of the named.

That being said, I saw some druids die over and over in bear pits even with a leatherfoot cap and way better gear than me. It's not for everyone I guess.

[Estu]

i consider myself pretty good at eq.. I tried to do Kedge zone in with my enchanter at lvl like 53? and i got my ass handed to me.. I was rekt constantly.. I couldn't do it at ALL..

how you druids master Kedge keep will remain a mystery to me. That stuff seems impossible!

1) Get in a safe(-ish) spot to pull to.
2) Decide on a mob to charm first (generally speaking, nearest mob).
3) Lull everything except your charm target.
4) Charm. Either charm your target straight up or pull it, root it, then charm (it can be good to have your pet rooted in case charm breaks).
5) If you didn't get any adds, pull something with a low level nuke (or as an enchater, tashan).
6) Root the pulled mob. Send your pet at it. Root any adds.

Not super-complicated. One thing is you should pretty much always be in a corner so that you can get hit and not get knocked back 10 feet due to water physics. Helps on root/charm breaks.

At level 49 on my druid I can do second level of Kedge pretty handily. You set up in the shark room because only one monster roams into it (the shark), charm the shark, and go from there. If you can deal with the shark everything else is a piece of cake since the shark is the highest level monster on that floor. Sometimes things get dicey and you can't afford to break your pet before finishing a mob, so you have to eat the 50% EXP penalty. But for the most part you can avoid the 50% pet EXP penalty. Basically just keep everything rooted all the time.

As a druid it's nice because you can regen and heal yourself. As an enchanter it might be trickier. Everything is very close-quarters and mobility is awful even with maxed swimming. Still, I imagine it should be doable with liberal use of runes.

[rafaone]

You cannot Glamour an already charmed pet. Just like you can't Ensnare or root an already charmed pet.

Sorry Daldaen but gotta disagree on this one. I don't know if it's working as intended here but you can do it:

http://i.imgur.com/1x6gDup.jpg

[Man0warr]

Yea that's probably a bug - shouldn't be able to cast hostile spells on pets.

[Rourk]

Yeah you certainly can glamour a charmed pet right now. I would do Spirocs until 53 and then go to bear pits. Gets much easier with new root at 56.

[Daldaen]

Sorry Daldaen but gotta disagree on this one. I don't know if it's working as intended here but you can do it:

http://i.imgur.com/1x6gDup.jpg

Don't worry. This issue is fixed on Beta now. Could not Glamour my already charmed Brontetherium yesterday.

[Chalkstix]

You can cast Glamour of Tunare on charmed pets because it's not a debuff. It's like harmony. The reason it can't be resisted, is because it actually counts as a "buff".

[getsome]

Looks like the change on beta needs to be undone. For our timeline Glamour is working as intended.

http://thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3028.html

10-15-2002, 08:02 PM
10/15 on Test:

10-15 23:39 Changed Spelltype from Beneficial to Detrimental

Makes it difficult to refresh on pets as well, if this is gonna cause aggro now. Charm would have to break first.

I looked up the spell and its currently listed as detrimental.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=1555&setcookie=1

Harmony is currently listed as beneficial

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.html?id=250&source=Live

[Daldaen]

You can cast Glamour of Tunare on charmed pets because it's not a debuff. It's like harmony. The reason it can't be resisted, is because it actually counts as a "buff".

No it's just unresistable cause it's essentially druid tash. The spell is just flagged as unresistable.

[getsome]

I would have to agree wtih Chalkstix and say its because its a beneficial spell, hence it would not be resisted.

I would bet the spell was flagged unresistable after the change to detrimental in 2002.

[Speedi]

I have only seen that work in the bear pits, there u still get the message "X is surrounded by a tunarian glamour" or something close to that. Some other pets I have charmed you get the big red message saying they are protected. For example, rats in PoH.

[Wenuven]

PoH might be the only zone it doesn't work, then. I've tried it in a number of other zones besides Permafrost and it's all the same.

[Bboboo]

Sometimes things get dicey and you can't afford to break your pet before finishing a mob, so you have to eat the 50% EXP penalty. But for the most part you can avoid the 50% pet EXP penalty. Basically just keep everything rooted all the time.

Learning to take that exp hit is the difference between life and death sometimes.

[Lunababy]

Yeah you certainly can glamour a charmed pet right now. I would do Spirocs until 53 and then go to bear pits. Gets much easier with new root at 56.

Can you elaborate on the root? AFAIK root levels only go up in max potential duration, not reliability.

[Wenuven]

Can you elaborate on the root? AFAIK root levels only go up in max potential duration, not reliability.

Level 56 root both costs less mana and casts much faster than the previous one.

[bluejam]

Why not raptors first?

[rafaone]

Why not raptors first?

Raptors are more difficult. Their run speed is insane and their aggro radius is inmense. That's why most people avoid them.

[Daldaen]

Raptors aren't animals until Luclin? Because classic.

Gotta do Kedge -> Perma Bears here as a druid.

Come Velious Quadding in Cobalt Scar, charming in Western Wastes (and for the total ballers, Siren's Grotto) become options. Grouping in Kael with a charmed dire wolf works too.