Open enquiry, PVP Patch ETA?

[Drakaris]

Hi Staff,

Just wondering if there is an ETA for the updated PvP patch that fixes broken spells (dispell counters on magic dots and buffs for example), but more importantly, implements a corrected minimum duration for stuns (0.1s) where they are incorrectly all landing for a minimum of 1 seconds?

We have seen the berzerk warrior disc exploit tear people apart at guild banks during trades as well as rip people apart in pvp in 1v1s without any counter when cheetah shoulders are used.

It is clearly a non-classic exploit that people frequently use as a tool of grief that should have been fixed many months ago! Any updates are appreciated ;)

[Littlegyno 10.0]

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[Smedy]

let me guess, skar died to a warrior who used the shoulders + disc

otherwise this thread would not exist, am i wrong?

i agree though, warrior disc highly unclassic and op as fuk

[BardPop]

When do stuns become 1 sec?

[Not Salem]

skar only complaining now after dying to Coat 1v1, but had no problem with his guild mates abusing it for the last 5-6+ months

[Drakaris]

let me guess, skar died to a warrior who used the shoulders + disc

otherwise this thread would not exist, am i wrong?

i agree though, warrior disc highly unclassic and op as fuk

Its been brewing for a while, with Krazy griefing a guy for 37k, thought I would finally raise the question, since we all know its an exploit.

When do stuns become 1 sec?

All stuns last a minimum of 1sec, where the minimum stun duration (of kick and Denon's Bereavement for example) should be 0.1 sec, not 1 second.

[Not Salem]

Its been brewing for a while, with Krazy griefing a guy for 37k, thought I would finally raise the question

http://i.imgur.com/2WGZEb6.png?1

[Drakaris]

http://i.imgur.com/2WGZEb6.png?1

Hmmm interesting you linked that pvp kill, are you suggesting the only way I could die is if your guildy used a known exploit? :)

[FoxxHound]

http://ramthesunlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Boobs_shaking-gif.gif
pras boobies

[Smedy]

http://i.imgur.com/2WGZEb6.png?1

figures! i was right, pras mohammed and the 100 virgins

[Stalos_]

You do this to yourself skar.

[Slathar]

figures! i was right, pras mohammed and the 100 virgins

How dare you use exploits that involve game mechanics and items available to everyone on the entire server, cheater.

[Slathar]

Hmmm interesting you linked that pvp kill, are you suggesting the only way I could die is if your guildy used a known exploit? :)

Rated one. Exploit implies cheating. Therefore, Warriors in your guild cheat on a regular basis. Ur mad :-)

[Drakaris]

Rated one. Exploit implies cheating. Therefore, Warriors in your guild cheat on a regular basis. Ur mad :-)

In video games, an exploit (colloquially sploit) is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.[2]

Slathar way off the mark as always...

It is not an intended game mechanic to permastun players, however, the debate of whether it can actually be considered cheating is a pointless topic due to the widespread availability and the number of players that use this broken mechanic to kill other players.

Hence the appeal to staff for an ETA rather than calling players out that continue using it knowing that the stun code is broken and incorrectly capped at a minimum stun duration of 1s ;)

[karsten]

what i love best about this server is the altruism of the playerbase

[Slathar]

In video games, an exploit (colloquially sploit) is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.[1] Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.[2]

Slathar way off the mark as always...

It is not an intended game mechanic to permastun players, however, the debate of whether it can actually be considered cheating is a pointless topic due to the widespread availability and the number of players that use this broken mechanic to kill other players.

Hence the appeal to staff for an ETA rather than calling players out that continue using it knowing that the stun code is broken and incorrectly capped at a minimum stun duration of 1s ;)

and not a word wuz read

[Tassador]

How dare you use exploits that involve game mechanics and items available to everyone on the entire server, cheater.

[Not Salem]

How dare you use exploits that involve game mechanics and items available to everyone on the entire server, cheater.

[krazyGlue]

....

[Gnomegrown]

so the 5 thousand times you attacked me at bloodgills in lake of ill omen and lost pitifully and used the veksar zone exploit is ok?

[Eslade]

what i love best about this server is the autism of the playerbase

Ftfy

[pingpong]

isn't there a pvp bug thread for bugs? thats where the debate over where this current non bug is actually a bug.

why do people not use the forums correctly.

at least we got boobies. nice

[maerilith]

Posting from the inside, of my moms basement. /confirmed Never.

[Clark]

How dare you use exploits that involve game mechanics and items available to everyone on the entire server, cheater.

[Kergan]

Disregard the fact Skar posted this and just focus on the fact that its fucked up and should be fixed.

[Clark]

Disregard the fact Skar posted this and just focus on the fact that its fucked up and should be fixed.

http://ramthesunlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Boobs_shaking-gif.gif

They look good to me. Don't see her needing anything fixed.

[daasgoot]

came for the tears, stayed for the boobs.

[Genedin]

Disregard the fact Skar posted this and just focus on the fact that its fucked up and should be fixed.

Can we also get rogue backstab range fixed and fix the fact that I take full damage double backstab a almost every time as a 1100 AC warrior

[Stasis01]

I played a 60 warrior in PVP during parts of Velious and I had a Tusk etc, full TOV gear, basically best non end game shit.

And I can say the damage on live was more like Paladin's/SK's here, and paladin's/sk's were basically nothing until Primal shit.

That added with the extra long kick stuns that seem to land always, and the massive damage / broken disc.

Warriors don't function at all like they did on live, and do insanely more damage plus stuns.

I think there are many problems though, like nukes hitting for full, AONs, and shit that even it out.

Wizard/Caster train is by far the deadliest part of raid pvp, it is not the melee train - it is the 4-5 wizards all landing full damage nukes on buffless low hp targets.

So I don't know what the answer is - and even classic EQ was considered broken due to never ending fights of full resists, and low melee dmg.

[Stasis01]

Probably best just to fix the stun issue and leave the dmg alone, I dunno, maybe nerf the damage of all melee down a bit and fix resists?

[FoxxHound]

I'm still over here...
Looking at boobies.

[Pitborn]

Melee Hit rate is absolutely insane.

[Nirgon]

Its been brewing for a while, with Krazy griefing a guy for 37k, thought I would finally raise the question, since we all know its an exploit.


Norrath bout to turn into Ferguson over that shit.

Mad national attention.

Hope its fixed soon.

[Potus]

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I bet she's really boring to talk to.

[quido]

lol typical Drakar

[Instagib]

What level is Bush now?

[quido]

53

Almost ready to knock down the towers.

[quido]

Sadly I only have 1 BIS character (and it's on blue) =( But I do play more sports than 99% of the population here!

[Instagib]

53

Almost ready to knock down the towers.

Ok good I'm safe from that Oggock cleaver

[quido]

Ok good I'm safe from that Oggock cleaver

I'm stopping at 55 for a while =) Hope to see you soon.

[BardPop]

lite knocked down the towers

[Kergan]

So I don't know what the answer is - and even classic EQ was considered broken due to never ending fights of full resists, and low melee dmg.

That's why we should throw out "lets make it classic" and start with "lets make it balanced".

[pingpong]

That's why we should throw out "lets make it classic" and start with "lets make it balanced".

dumb. why don't you go start a community thats based on balance. this one is founded on classic. with your 1000s of posts you would think you would know that by now

[Stasis01]

So you think Tstaffs should be 18 seconds, and literally everyone will eventually main that combo and everyone just dies on first hit procs in mass pvp.

It was 18 full seconds.

[Buhbuh]

Your mom and I last 18 seconds. I also have an embarrassingly severe case of erectile dysfunction.

But I'm a mountain of a man. Except sexually. Unless I'm sucking my own dick.

Holo Crootin

[Kergan]

dumb. why don't you go start a community thats based on balance. this one is founded on classic. with your 1000s of posts you would think you would know that by now

Classic tstaff procs? Classic ivandyr's hoops? Classic golem wand recharging?

Precedent has already been set, nothing about the PVP on this server is classic.

[Mac Drettj]

Your mom and I last 18 seconds. I also have an embarrassingly severe case of erectile dysfunction.

But I'm a mountain of a man. Except sexually. Unless I'm sucking my own dick.

Holo Crootin

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[pingpong]

Classic tstaff procs? Classic ivandyr's hoops? Classic golem wand recharging?

Precedent has already been set, nothing about the PVP on this server is classic.

lets see how far you get with nilbog waving the "lets throw out classic" banner

[Kergan]

lets see how far you get with nilbog waving the "lets throw out classic" banner

You mean like when tstaff procs were nerfed, items were made unrechargable and you couldn't click hoops on players anymore?

Yeah no history of defying classic here, move to resolved.

[Burgerking]

All melee's are extremely broken on this server, my shaman on live used to take shots, here with 900 AC i get my life torn through like I'm wearing cloth. Melee's seem to disregard AC altogether, have huge hit boxes, and never seem to miss.

Caster's still fizzle, melee's should still miss. Warrior's shouldn't be doing the kind of dmg they are, they are tank class not a burst dps class. Giving them the highest dmg(besides rogue) and highest HP's is really out of wack.

On live I would heal in warriors faces and back up against a wall and torpor and cholorplast through all of a rogues dps while they tore themselves up on my dmg shields and dots ate them up. And I'm not talking gimps I'm talking against people with some of the best gear in velious era. Here I'm dead in seconds.

[Nirgon]

As far as the problems with consumables

Golem wands gave people something to farm for an advantage at a camp usually decided by pvp.

Dispels here are incorrect. One golem wand should remove like 3 buffs that come in with 9 counters instead of 16 like they all had 4 magic counters.

I'd really like to see a possible return of the old golem wand for this. Same thing with hoops if you want to farm those all day.

We're making changes to items that aren't classic which is bad. If players have nothing to do but farm those items, I blame a lack of Velious and not the items themselves.

Trakanon tooth was eventually nerfed. I never got one during live (notice my lack of VP changes posts) but I don't think it was ever proved you had to proc the 1 charge instead of just being able to click it? There were a few items I believe where you had to melee proc them to get them to expend their charges. At first, when ToV weapons went in they would proc and say the item is out of charges because they were incorrectly flagged this way. I believe a patch note somewhere reflects that.

Custom changes are horrible and usually made at the request of people who come from the Quake with elf swords servers who are strangely afraid of item loot.

T staffs were FIXED not nerfed. It wasn't 18 seconds every single proc on live as I survived some procs during my time.

[krazyGlue]

All melee's are extremely broken on this server, my shaman on live used to take shots, here with 900 AC i get my life torn through like I'm wearing cloth. Melee's seem to disregard AC altogether, have huge hit boxes, and never seem to miss.

Caster's still fizzle, melee's should still miss. Warrior's shouldn't be doing the kind of dmg they are, they are tank class not a burst dps class. Giving them the highest dmg(besides rogue) and highest HP's is really out of wack.

On live I would heal in warriors faces and back up against a wall and torpor and cholorplast through all of a rogues dps while they tore themselves up on my dmg shields and dots ate them up. And I'm not talking gimps I'm talking against people with some of the best gear in velious era. Here I'm dead in seconds.
Wait so a monk / rogue is a tank class not a burst dps class ?

[Burgerking]

Wait so a monk / rogue is a tank class not a burst dps class ?

Never said anything about monks, never said a rogue was a tank. I can tell you on live rogues were the highest melee burst damage class. But that didn't equal backstab hitting for full every time, never missing, and destroying plate and chain classes hp pools like they had no AC. Rogues also weren't able to backstab from a side position and backing up to wall was a guarantee you weren't getting backstabed. Same goes for a monk, one tstaff proc plus Inner flame didn't equal a kill on high AC high HP classes unless they had friends helping.

Rogues on live had to be very wary of dmg shields and strip them or else they would kill themselves on a strong dmg shield. Especially against someone smart enough to keep his front to a rogue. All melee's are doing WAY to much dmg with hit boxes way too big. But nothing I'm saying is a secret anyone who pvp'd during this era should know this.

[Juhstin]

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Quoting to cheer people up.

[Malevz]

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I agree 100% with what has been said here.

[Recycled Children]

http://ramthesunlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Boobs_shaking-gif.gif

I don't typically nit pick at chicks on the internet but this girl's face is busted. Nice boobs though.

[Eslade]

I don't typically nit pick at chicks on the internet but this girl's face is busted. Nice boobs though.

And with hips like those, you'll probably only get 4-5 kids out of her.

[Recycled Children]

And with hips like those, you'll probably only get 4-5 kids out of her.

Kids, gross.

[Gnomegrown]

All melee's are extremely broken on this server, my shaman on live used to take shots, here with 900 AC i get my life torn through like I'm wearing cloth. Melee's seem to disregard AC altogether, have huge hit boxes, and never seem to miss.

Caster's still fizzle, melee's should still miss. Warrior's shouldn't be doing the kind of dmg they are, they are tank class not a burst dps class. Giving them the highest dmg(besides rogue) and highest HP's is really out of wack.

On live I would heal in warriors faces and back up against a wall and torpor and cholorplast through all of a rogues dps while they tore themselves up on my dmg shields and dots ate them up. And I'm not talking gimps I'm talking against people with some of the best gear in velious era. Here I'm dead in seconds.

eq emu melee is broken , on many levels. best to accept it as no one has any real coding talent here.