Leaderboard Bindcamp Poll

[quido]

I am in the process of writing the script to re-do all leaderboard history such that guild-on-guild kills don't count towards streak, kills, deaths, and thus ratio. In a similar vein, I was thinking about capping the number of kills per certain amount of time to deter bindcamping. Currently, all bindcamp kills count towards kills, deaths, streaks, and ratio. I was thinking something like after 3 kills in the last 15 minutes, the kills no longer count for points or towards kills, deaths, and ratio. I think this makes sense.

What do you guys think?

[Potus]

Redistribute all the kills and deaths in the name of socialism.

[cr0ss]

Wipe it monthly.

[Not Salem]

I'm against implementing a fix for bind camping, but I am FOR seasons/wipes, the point reduction on bind camping i feel is a fair way to handle it. Take my bind camping for example, I was chain killed for 2 hours and was still higher then every other level 60 on the leaderboard other then Deluxee (from 5th? to 18t?~)

[quido]

It seems a logical choice. We're going to have a new season coming sometime in a month or two.

[Doors]

Wipe it every 3 months, post the stats, have seasons.

[lite]

if someone is bind rushing for tactical purposes that can fuck people's ratings. leave it how it is. Far more important features to implement, like ensuring that shitty lvl 50's dont run top ranks on board.

[quido]

Far more important features to implement, like ensuring that shitty lvl 50's dont run top ranks on board.

We're working on a solution for that going into the next season. Also going to be finishing up an OOC monitor and auction tracker.

These here are immediate changes I can do tonight with relatively little additional effort. In fact, I've already written the scripts.

[Uuruk]

I am in the process of writing the script to re-do all leaderboard history such that guild-on-guild kills don't count towards streak, kills, deaths, and thus ratio. In a similar vein, I was thinking about capping the number of kills per certain amount of time to deter bindcamping. Currently, all bindcamp kills count towards kills, deaths, streaks, and ratio. I was thinking something like after 3 kills in the last 15 minutes, the kills no longer count for points or towards kills, deaths, and ratio. I think this makes sense.

What do you guys think?

I think we need to be using your leaderboard as evidence to get the people bind camping banned. Clear violation of PnP.

"Excessive bind point camping (killing a player over and over at their bind point) is against the rules."

[quido]

The evidence will still be there, it just won't count for anything.

I'm going to go ahead and do it. If there's too much outcry we can always reverse it, or setup both systems alongside one another.

[BardPop]

I second archiving old seasons, 4 months seems fair. I also think the bind camp thing should be like capped at 4 kills per 15, to account for mass pvp where someone might be battle rezzing or just a guy who is not calling lns

[Quiet]

If the kill isn't 56+ then I'd omit it entirely from the board. Purge all non 56+ Eliminate the fucks who are validated by their leaderboard hijinks' against lowbies in rags. There's only 160 active people, its not hard to know who's 60 and who's not. However if a person manages to kill a 60 in mass pvp then definitely should be counted, same as if they die in a non-protected zone to a high level player.

[Smedy]

Wipe it monthly.

[kotton05]

Yea man I was bind camped by boomwiZ/twizzler that firegiant is just a scavenger. I say wipe it monthly with a top 10 each month saved for an overall 10 ten recognition. Make bind camps worth 0.

[Uuruk]

Yea man I was bind camped by boomwiZ/twizzler that firegiant is just a scavenger. I say wipe it monthly with a top 10 each month saved for an overall 10 ten recognition. Make bind camps worth 0.

http://i.gyazo.com/b68ead18fbeb01501c95639aafbccd4b.png

not seeing the bind camping. Might want to mention instead you were looting and rushing right back in.

[Genedin]

I think a more regular wipe would be nice and solve a lot of these issues with bind camping as it only gives you a leg up for a month or to or whatever you decide to use as a season.

Imo 4 months too long.

Thanks for your efforts.

[Mac Drettj]

is OP serious?

its a pvp server

pvp happens

the score on your third party website are not the end game

who cares if someone is bind camped

stop wasting ur time

[Buhbuh]

The Beastagoog solution is here.

[Genedin]

I was surprised at how old you are retti. Is sad.

[Jib]

change the leaderboard from kills to amount of $ rmt'd

cause thats what all the heavy hitters seem to care about here

[Genedin]

My position in 1685th place will still remain secured. I'm ok with this.

[Mac Drettj]

I was surprised at how old you are retti. Is sad.

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[Crazycloud]

change the leaderboard from kills to amount of $ rmt'd

cause thats what all the heavy hitters seem to care about here

[Barladore]

Jeremy is a saint

[HippoNipple]

If you could just make it so bind camping was ignored. I know for point value it is already ignored but make it so it doesn't count for your k/d ratio as well.

I don't like the idea of a penalty because sometimes you need to kill someone over and over. If you wanted to grief someone that cared about their pvp record you could just bind rush them with the purpose of making it look like a bind camp on the leader boards.

[Greegon]

yep it was bush

[Gnomegrown]

your leaderboard is stupid and you are a griefer

ps

bush knocked down the towers

[Colgate]

leaderboard page used to load pretty much instantaneously

now there's like a 2 second pause before it loads

[Swyft]

I think allot you should go back to wow, you weren't made for games with pre-anti-bullying rules. If you picked a shit bind or went AFK welcome to bindcamping. On Sullon bindcamping was legal, and my last name was Bindcamper. Nothing better then finding someone afk at they're bind, it smelled like...victory!

[BardPop]

change the leaderboard from kills to amount of $ rmt'd

cause thats what all the heavy hitters seem to care about here

Ya because gear here is so Op. In eternal light were raiding planes and getting top notch loot, basically the same stuff as smallme. Unless the offending "heavy hitter" is using vp gear or just has a hundreds of k in items like CoF, trak bps etc, difference is not very large between what can be obtained and would could not be with rmt. I don't see anybody rmting it comes off like an empty insult to slander people you hate.

[Tacitus]

leaderboard kinda dumb...you can have 400 kills and get killed once by some loser and get knocked down to like 15th place

[Gnomegrown]

should have a leaderboard for looted platinum and ninjalooted raid gear and RMTd chars

id click it and read

[quido]

leaderboard page used to load pretty much instantaneously

now there's like a 2 second pause before it loads

That's the nature of more data, but it's still pretty snappy for me - definitely not 2 seconds. Sometimes it's just slow because I have the cheap Amazon instance and there's lots of concurrent traffic.

[quido]

This anti-bindcamp scoring is now setup alongside the existing scoring.

[Eslade]

The feature to not count the opposing guild's kills is still missing/not working properly.

[quido]

The feature to not count the opposing guild's kills is still missing/not working properly.

What do you mean?

[Eslade]

What do you mean?

The other board would omit kills when elderan got mad. Why is that feature missing?

[Drakaris]

I would seriously consider holding out on the change until next season, unless you want your hard work to have the same credibility as Elderan's PvP board... (not that I ever saw the doctoring first hand)...

[Bazia]

this change only exists because of beastagor bindcamp

elderanish type of move tbh

[Mac Drettj]

Lol

[krazyGlue]

I'm against implementing a fix for bind camping, but I am FOR seasons/wipes, the point reduction on bind camping i feel is a fair way to handle it. Take my bind camping for example, I was chain killed for 2 hours and was still higher then every other level 60 on the leaderboard other then Deluxee (from 5th? to 18t?~)

bazia take off that tinfoil hat dog.

[Bazia]

naw

[Tassador]

Op I appreciate you brother and you know this but sports seasons end how about a reset?????

[quido]

Will start a new season when board comes out of beta in a couple months.

[Tacitus]

this sounds really blue, welcome to red where you have to use your brain and plug the first time your killed at the bind.. keep your tmo bluebie crap on blue thanks

[daasgoot]

this sounds really blue, welcome to red where you have to use your brain and plug the first time your killed at the bind.. keep your tmo bluebie crap on blue thanks

How is bind camping holding less weight on the leaderboard "blue"?

Serious and dumb or troll and dumb?

[Buhbuh]

this change only exists because of beastagor bindcamp

elderanish type of move tbh

Just accept it

Bragging must come from somewhere.

[Buhbuh]

He does make an interesting point implicitly, though. Azrael players are big on these boards and big on getting behind votes for shit while probably 70% of the server doesn't frequent these boards.

It's an inherently skewed exercise to gauge shit like this, especially when it's from a player with ties to one guild and a ridiculous backing despite what may or may not be against their own interests.

Basically, politics.

As far as the discussion at hand, I don't really care about the leaderboard or what's done with it. There's dozens of variables this simplistic board can't record or account for, so it's not really something people think holds weight (who is good and who's not), let alone is it even worth a serious discussion.

I love you Holo crootin

[Farzo]

If you get bind camped it's really your own fault; i.e afking, falling asleep etc. we all know you can /q to avoid it

and @ what salem said, I think you should do wipes for seasons.

Take for example someone gets killed 40 times leveling up (new player), but then gets the skill/gear etc at 60 to compete they have a massive disadvantage @ trying to climb the board. If every 3 months it's wiped clean for a fresh season then that person can have another crack at it.

This would also clear the banned/afk players who are on the board been listed.

edit:

this change only exists because of beastagor bindcamp

elderanish type of move tbh

and yah 50/50 chance it is

[Gnomegrown]

who gives a fuck about leaderboards ? I mean really

if you are here for pvp your brain does not work properly

[mostbitter]

sweet another tainted leaderboard that changes scores when the owners friends have a bad day fuck ya

[quido]

I don't give a fuck about anyone who gains or loses points. I have always been unbiased and impartial in everything I do with this project. Bindcamp changes were made because it is the right thing to do. More changes are coming soon.

I guess the monitor went down while I was out on the town last night (I actually checked it quick at 2am to see how the time change was handled and it went down right after). Please send me your logs if you have records of any kills that were missed.

[SamwiseRed]

a kill is a kill imo. its impossible to be bind camped unless you are drugged out of your mind or an idiot. either way shouldn't be "forgiven." if bindcamping is wrong what about afk killing, killing people oom while they are quadding, ect. best to just keep it the way it was.

keep it simple, keep it honest. that's all anyone can ask of a leaderboard. interpreting what is "fair" leads to a dark path of eldermoran status.

[mostbitter]

I don't give a fuck about anyone who gains or loses points. I have always been unbiased and impartial in everything I do with this project. Bindcamp changes were made because it is the right thing to do. More changes are coming soon.

I guess the monitor went down while I was out on the town last night (I actually checked it quick at 2am to see how the time change was handled and it went down right after). Please send me your logs if you have records of any kills that were missed.

sure its coincidence that this happens right after salem gets bind camped

[Littlegyno 10.0]

yaw time for some bind camp changes day after beastagor bind camped.

ya nothing fishy here u kno?

[quido]

This has been on my list for a month. You really think I care if Beastagor is 6th place or 10th place? He's the best PvPer on the box no matter his rank. Lots of my pals lost points too.

[fiegi 8.0]

shady dealings

leaderboard needs to be removed perm imo

[Kergan]

Jeremy sounding EXACTLY like Elderan, it's hilarious.

[SamwiseRed]

Jeremy sounding EXACTLY like Elderan, it's hilarious.

not exactly, not yet anyway but leaderboards should be objective rather than subjective. if the change goes through then yea ill agree tainted leaderboard.

[Doors]

yaw time for some bind camp changes day after beastagor bind camped.

ya nothing fishy here u kno?

[Drakaris]

Jeremy sounding EXACTLY like Elderan, it's hilarious.

I called it ;)

But seriously where do you draw the line of 'fairness'... the leaderboard can't detect if it is a 3v1, 6v1 or if a player was ganked oom while doing PvE... Adding a bind camping exemption for leadership board is pointless...

Should the leaderboard be removed and only count kills where GM sanctioned fights are approved where no clickies are used and both parties are fully pelled?

Where do you draw the line?

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/leaderpoll.jpg

[quido]

We draw the line at what can be effectively proven.

[Kergan]

Its funny because Elderan would say the exact same things you are saying, and you called him a liar but expect everyone to believe you.

:) :) :)

[fiegi 8.0]

can't wait to get my chuck kill added

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-29234-Patriots-93-Tommy-Kelly-sad-gi-BMny.gif

[SamwiseRed]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/leaderpoll.jpg

to be fair a lot people voted bush towers. had there not been then choice i think most of those would have been no.

[quido]

Not sure what you guys are so upset about. The retroactively-computed system is still setup alongside the existing points system. Going forward, 3+ kills on one player in 12 minutes will absolutely invoke the penalty. The question now is whether or not the retroactively-computed points system should replace the existing one. I personally don't think it should, but I wouldn't really be averse to it if that's what people want.

[quido]

to be fair a lot people voted bush towers. had there not been then choice i think most of those would have been no.

I'm pretty sure more of those Bush/Towers votes are yes votes than no.

[mostbitter]

Not sure what you guys are so upset about. The retroactively-computed system is still setup alongside the existing points system. Going forward, 3+ kills on one player in 12 minutes will absolutely invoke the penalty. The question now is whether or not the retroactively-computed points system should replace the existing one. I personally don't think it should, but I wouldn't really be averse to it if that's what people want.

tainted leaderboard who is next

[Slathar]

words of a LIAR

ur leaderboard is corrupt and i won't stand for it i want my god damned money back or ur gona mail me a fukin sunday

[quido]

Let's get a sundae... together

[Mac Drettj]

jesus its like elderan board 2.0

[Kergan]

Now with less features.

[quido]

Notice it's only the usual retards being critical of whatever they can grasp! None of these people even PvP here.

[Mac Drettj]

False mad inconsisten corrupt boarding

[quido]

got prof?

[Farzo]

is Elderan finally off the hook?

is the new #'s call "Guido's Numbers"?

[quido]

Yeah let me just delete all the Holocaust kills from the board the next time I get mad, lol.

[Drakaris]

jesus its like elderan board 2.0

Now with less features.

is Elderan finally off the hook?

is the new #'s call "Guido's Numbers"?

I nearly fell off my chair laughing... so true! :)

[Farzo]

Yeah let me just delete all the Holocaust kills from the board the next time I get mad, lol.

<3

keep up the good work

[Buhbuh]

Wait this was made retroactively?

I was totally kidding about that. Jesus. Couldn't be more transparent.

[Bazia]

quantized bindcamp deaths all counted unlike various azrael members

this shit is beyond dum at this point

[Not Salem]

love being at the top of 2 leaderboards instead 1

[Drakaris]

quantized bindcamp deaths all counted unlike various azrael members

this shit is beyond dum at this point

Welcome to Guido numbers!

Maybe Elderan should bring his board back, reckon it will be more consistent too ;)

[Super Hater]

What you're doing here really matters. Keep up all that hard work.

[daasgoot]

so much QQ

[Tassador]

What you're doing here really matters. Keep up all that hard work.

[Buhbuh]

What you're doing here really matters. Keep up all that hard work.

[quido]

It's really difficult.

[mern]

Get rid of the leaderboard altogether. I started a new character on this server and people plug at level 8 to save their Everquest reputation. Disgusting

[Super Hater]

The leaderboard is for OP

[Juhstin]

Get rid of the leaderboard altogether. I started a new character on this server and people plug at level 8 to save their Everquest reputation. Disgusting

Plugging is cool, all the cool kids do eet.

[Eslade]

Get rid of the leaderboard altogether. I started a new character on this server and people plug at level 8 to save their Everquest reputation. Disgusting

Shouldn't matter, a level 8 isn't worth yt so it's not a symptom of the leaderboard.

[Super Hater]

Shouldn't matter, a level 8 isn't worth yt so it's not a symptom of the leaderboard.

Not sure how you always fail to miss the simplest points. Think another transplant is needed.

[Eslade]

Not sure how you always fail to miss the simplest points. Think another transplant is needed.

Apparently you missed the point. There is no rep to protect if the leaderboard doesn't record it. People plugging at level 8 is a problem caused by some other factor. Can't believe how stupid you are sometimes.

[Bazia]

actually a level 10 killing a level 8 will produce YT

you dumb

[Juhstin]

actually a level 10 killing a level 8 will produce YT

you dumb

naw

[Eslade]

actually a level 10 killing a level 8 will produce YT

you dumb

Hasn't happened to me yet, so going to stay with my own experience. Level 8's can get yt on a 10, but I don't think that the reverse is true. Besides, you shouldn't be farming level 8's anyway.

[Eslade]

actually a level 10 killing a level 8 will produce YT

you dumb

Sorry, can't let this go
http://www.project1999.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5602&d=1415319880

Whar yt? Whar?

[Bazia]

guess it works reverse my bad

[Burgerking]

LOL he starts you out with too many pts making his board point system dumb. Makes it easier for a lvl 14 to rank up than a lvl 60.

Boards are literally made to farm new player's right as the server had a huge influx of new player's from blue, coincidence, maybe.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gG9rBIfa0t4/UTBXiJHxC6I/AAAAAAAAAjE/C3VLbpEVVBA/s1600/Allusion+of+coincidence.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

kills should only count in 1v1 GM sanctioned duels inside the arena with no spectators.

[Kergan]

Also they need to both be under 100 ms latency, playing the same class/race combo and using the same gear.