@Haynar, nilbog, community RE: golem wands and new (classic) dispell functionality

[Mac Drettj]

With the recent changes to dispells pending patch (strength of dispells and buff/debuff counters), can we talk about reverting golem wands to an instant click item?

Instead of everyone proposing non classic changes for a classic problem, in the most recent case AoNs and nameplates/target rings, I think we should be looking to reclassic-fying things and letting things fall back into their original and by design checks and balances.

[Colgate]

golem wands are still ridiculously OP in either scenario and make the gap between melees and casters even larger

[Sektor]

Golem Wands are fine imo.

[Haynar]

What is the story with Golem Wands?

What was classic like?

When were they changed?

H

[Grimjaw]

in classic golem wands are instant cast and you can simply recharge them on vendors. Before the devs made changes here, they were being used at every simple little 1v1 fight, spam click one to strip someone's 3 buffs (so common they are being wasted).


But then, both the instant-cast has been removed from this server (added a casting time), and recharging via merchant-buyback is also disabled on red (merchants will remember the charge count on each one sold to him)

[Mac Drettj]

Classic is insta click. Some time ago all insta clicks were given cast times bcus pvp had turned into clickquest:

Triple click wand
Trak tooth
Planar nuke item click i.e, wand of swords or ivandyr hoops etc
Dead

[Technique]

Golem wand still zaps 4 buffs 99% of the time post-dispel fix. Only the people casting cancel magic (1) are gonna notice anything was even changed.

Since we're on this subject, all the other targetable wands/items with detrimental effects that were flat-out disabled in PvP as a stupid kneejerk reaction to trak teeth:
[PvP Only] Item clicks which may no longer be used against players


Al`Kabor's Cap of Binding
Blazing Wand
Death Scarab Gland
Drake-Hide Amice
Earring of Displacement
Ivandyr's Hoop
Raiment of Thunder
Rain Caller
Red Wood Wand
Rod of Drones
Rod of Malisement
Scepter of the Forlorn
Wand of Conflagration
Wand of Darkness
Wand of Ice
Wand of Mana Tapping
Wand of Souls
Wand of Swords
Wooly Spider Silk Net

should be re-enabled, but with the casting time of the effect they produce.

Most of these items are lore and they're not rechargable. Adding cast times will give them a purpose in PvP again without the possibility of being overpowered.

[Colgate]

you can still recharge lore items

[Technique]

I didn't mean to imply that recharging an item was contingent on it not being lore.

Most people on red know that it's not possible to recharge any item on this server, unless there's some bug that still allows it.

[Colgate]

o word

[Grimjaw]

Golem wand still zaps 4 buffs 99% of the time post-dispel fix. Only the people casting cancel magic (1) are gonna notice anything was even changed.

Since we're on this subject, all the other targetable wands/items with detrimental effects that were flat-out disabled in PvP as a stupid kneejerk reaction to trak teeth:should be re-enabled, but with the casting time of the effect they produce.

Most of these items are lore and they're not rechargable. Adding cast times will give them a purpose in PvP again without the possibility of being overpowered.

ya basically it should just be a mana-free version. that alone is enough of a benefit.

[Gongshow]

Can we get 18 second full duration TStaff back please?

[Potus]

You can have insta-click Golem Wands when casters get insta-click Backstab.

[Stasis01]

Can we get 18 second full duration TStaff back please?

[Stasis01]

And not that it needs to be said, but the original design is flawed by timeline and amount of certain items that people have, as we see with the AON nameplates requirement.

[Eslade]

No recharges and add 1.5x the cast time of the original spell.

[Smedy]

What is the story with Golem Wands?

What was classic like?

When were they changed?

H

Golem wands among other farmable items were instant click on live, but not nerfed until much later (beyond 'classic') cause it wasn't as obvious how op these items were, now when everyone is pretty much an expert at everquest 15 years later some stuff must remain unclassic, such as the golem wand and trak tooth etc.

I think skelly illusion name plates should be the next change for red, it's already getting crazy with all the skellies, it's only going to get worse, please fix it asap

Thanks for taking time!

[Stasis01]

Golem wands among other farmable items were instant click on live, but not nerfed until much later (beyond 'classic') cause it wasn't as obvious how op these items were, now when everyone is pretty much an expert at everquest 15 years later some stuff must remain unclassic, such as the golem wand and trak tooth etc.

I think skelly illusion name plates should be the next change for red, it's already getting crazy with all the skellies, it's only going to get worse, please fix it asap

Thanks for taking time!

100% correct and with the AON nameplates.

[pgerman]

instant click fix was one of the best fixes here

if you cant win a fight without instant 4 slot pells, you suck

this thread pathetic plea to give some 3rd rate pvp'er a chance to re live his former glory as EZ mode click and win PVP

mac dretti sucks, anyone that thinks 18 second t staff should be in game,also sucks, or is trolling

Right now every class has a viable spot in pvp, one of the most balanced eq servers ive ever played on. I played all classic live servers in pvp, and been on this box since the start.

Even with warriors having a super OP mighty strike ability that stuns EVERY single hit. That is currently the most broken ability on the server, but one of the only ways suck people get kills. 100-0 stun locks. Very un classic. Very OP, Very broken, but people like easy kills.

[mostbitter]

Right now every class has a viable spot in pvp, one of the most balanced eq servers ive ever played on. I played all classic live servers in pvp, and been on this box since the start


necros and magicians totes viable just like paladins gnaw mean

[pgerman]

mage epic pet has plenty of uses, no one can lock down a zoneline better


necro has FD, instant click invis, DA, plenty of good spells if you don't SUCK

palidan with mad instant click CH', battle rez, and decent jousting w/ protected DS pot, u can beat any class 1v1, killshots are hard to get as a palidan tho, for sure, but doesn't mean they arnt good in pvp.

and yes you suck, just stop posting

[Mac Drettj]

Who is this mad nerd pgerman. Did I say in OP that I want this? I merely started a thread to talk about it as opposed to another non classic change proposed in the other 4 threads on nameplates and targetrings.

Mad

[pgerman]

your not helping anyone, and you have no valid points


you should feel lucky that I am even taking the time to explain these things to you

[Mac Drettj]

U r in here crying. But OK thanks.

[Gnomegrown]

pets do terrible damage on eq emu

[Somekid123]

Response to this thread: Naw.

[Pudge]

If aon nameplates get removed.. Please make it only for aon. And not removed for enchanters/necros. That is a part of their class.

But I think making aon no drop for a period after they are clicked would also solve the problem. 30 mins would do. 1 month would be more interesting.

[Pudge]

I do think the click nerf went overboard with everything becoming pve-only. Only track tooth was a real problem (and should stay pve-only). Especially considering the nuke-nerfs going in, these old clickies won't be as big of a deal.

[Pudge]

Oh but as to golem wands, they're still going to be OP without a cast time.

[Potus]

pets do terrible damage on eq emu

They really do, they need buffed bad, I don't even bother creating one anymore which is sad.

[Technique]

They really do, they need buffed bad, I don't even bother creating one anymore which is sad.Pet damage was nerfed to 80% in PvP shortly after this server launched. There's no convincing evidence that it was reduced on Live during classic.

Restore it to 100%.

[Silent]

I think something people are missing is that these wands are NOT easy to get, Yes you can farm them on a level 45. But the respawn is what 28 minutes? You can go 12 hours and see 0 wands let alone 0 golems. You can go 5 hours and get 8 wands also though, But for the most part the wands are pretty rare drop. Very few people EVER blew 2-3 clicks of insta click wand charge in 1v1 pvp unless they knew it was a 100% kill and there was no zoneline nearby.

In mass PVP yes golem wands were clicked, one person could strip an entire person in 3 clicks before the target even got a chance to spam his insta clickers.