LnS policy wastes more GM time than it saves

[Slathar]

Remove it and save yourselves the time sink and headache.

[daasgoot]

I don't think removing the LnS portion of the PnP is necessary.

I would recommend harsher punishment for breaking server rules.

harsher punishment = less people breaking rules = less time sunk into dealing with people breaking server rules.

[Eslade]

If they took out lns then they might as well take out yt and maybe global ooc.

[Nirgon]

Corpse camping / training illegal, shit's classic

[HappyTr33z]

If they took out lns then they might as well take out yt and maybe global ooc.

Hell lets just shut the server down, that'll save a lot of hassle

[Clark]

Just remove pnp altogether. Isn't classic at all.

[Fame]

Just remove pnp altogether. Isn't classic at all.

Server was best when real fear was an option, also bring back exp loss on pvp death for balls deep immersion!

[Tassador]

Remove it and save yourselves the time sink and headache.

Always liked this guy even with all his major problems he is a wise one.

[Slathar]

Corpse camping / training illegal, shit's classic

From an RZ perspective, yes. SZ? All perfectly legal. Let it be so here.

[Stasis01]

I think now that the two sides are more even this might work.

When it was Nihilum crew 60's with epics, and the second guild was Heresy just entering planar trash, or Force, or RD etc it was a bit out of hand.

I personally like LNS, if you want to surrender people should let you get out that's just IMO.

[Potus]

This shit wasn't a big concern on Vallon Zek.

How about you guys all stop being dicks to each other and stop farming Yellow Text on guys who are obviously on corpse recoveries?

[mr_jon3s]

What is wrong with people that they can't be nice to each other. Be an adult kill them say something in ooc to make your epeen bigger and teabag the corpse a couple times. Then let them loot the corpse and leave the zone.

[Buhbuh]

there's a reason SZ was the lowest pop server.

this is that reason. you guys really like low pop dont you?

[Slathar]

What is wrong with people that they can't be nice to each other. Be an adult kill them say something in ooc to make your epeen bigger and teabag the corpse a couple times. Then let them loot the corpse and leave the zone.

no

[Slathar]

there's a reason SZ was the lowest pop server.

this is that reason. you guys really like low pop dont you?

yes

[Buhbuh]

good luck

[Tassador]

Classic red was so much better with less firegiants and no gimp laws like lns. Pixel infections happened farming happened now we sit here on a server with 30 ducks and 90 fucks fighting over trakbp_1095 on a server with a core of 140 max

[Malevz]

This shit wasn't a big concern on Vallon Zek.

How about you guys all stop being dicks to each other and stop farming Yellow Text on guys who are obviously on corpse recoveries?

As an ex VZer myself, I agree with this. If people weren't more interested in seeing their name in yellow, than chasing someone off the server by killing him 10 times on a naked corpse run, then trolling him in ooc, maybe PnP wouldn't be so necessary.

[erog84]

I'd be fine removing pnp, but if we are going to keep it need to start actually enforcing the rules. See lns intentionally ignored every single day, start banning people that pull that shit or just get rid of it all together IMO.

[Buhbuh]

As an ex VZer myself, I agree with this. If people weren't more interested in seeing their name in yellow, than chasing someone off the server by killing him 10 times on a naked corpse run, then trolling him in ooc, maybe PnP wouldn't be so necessary.

Naw, any post beyond this one is superfluous

[Drakaris]

there's a reason SZ was the lowest pop server.

this is that reason. you guys really like low pop dont you?

People like Slathar should go infect roflron zek or something.

Sirkens doing an awesome job on r99.

His presence alone saw the population jump to over 220 players.

[Recycled Children]

Not having an LnS policy would promote RL health. Some of you need to log off for awhile.

[Drakaris]

Not having an LnS policy would promote RL health. Some of you need to log off for awhile.


I'm bored as fuck in a shopping mall buying my wife her 30th bday clothes and shoes.

5 hours out and about irl and hating every minute.

[Not Salem]

Loved classic when you killed someone deep down in a dungeon there night was over and I got to sit alone in a zone by myself for hours, those were the good days.

[anotherfiz]

I think now that the two sides are more even this might work.

When it was Nihilum crew 60's with epics, and the second guild was Heresy just entering planar trash, or Force, or RD etc it was a bit out of hand.

I personally like LNS, if you want to surrender people should let you get out that's just IMO.

I think what you mean to say is : Now that *we* have the clear advantage it might be "good for us"

When Azraels crew 60's with epic and the second guild was holocaust just entering planar trash, its still a bit out of hand. =P

[Gnomegrown]

implement shadowrest, you spawn there with gear and cannot leave for 30 mins

would make red99 playable

[Burgerking]

there's a reason SZ was the lowest pop server.

this is that reason. you guys really like low pop dont you?

?? Sullon Zek had the largest pop of all the PvP server's when it released half of Rallos moved to Sullon, maybe more. Sullon had a higher pop then almost every blue server, Tallon and Vallon had the lowest pop of all the pvp server's.

[Kergan]

I think that was true initially, but the ruleset really torpedoed that server in Luclin. We manhandled that server in a way that made Nihilum look kind and friendly to opposing guilds. Problem was 1 bard was able to keep an entire faction at bay single handed.

That really became an issue when the really high end crazy shit was all behind massive cockblock keys and/or flags. Mobs started taking a long as time to kill, and with training legal there was very little chance you were gonna even get 50% through an attempt before Speedd trained your ass on neutral team. All we had to do in PoP was fuck up the very difficult RZ event and we had the elemental planes and beyond to ourselves without anyone even able to zone in and contest.

Plus SZ had no classic or kunark era as it was released with Velious.

I enjoyed my time there, but evils bent that server over so bad it became boring on the winning side and impossible on the opposing sides. You think the gear disadvantage between the top people and the tier below them is bad now? In Luclin and beyond it was retarded.

[Tacitus]

?? Sullon Zek had the largest pop of all the PvP server's when it released half of Rallos moved to Sullon, maybe more. Sullon had a higher pop then almost every blue server, Tallon and Vallon had the lowest pop of all the pvp server's.

LOL Wrong as hell.. Sullons population was high at launch because it was the latest released...after that it went downward super fast and was a wasteland and quickly the least populated EQ server

[mostbitter]

ya sullon zek was the red99 of classic everquest. If you ever saw that old message board that Sam the man Deathwalker was hosting you wouldn't have anything else to say. Pretty sure it was the only one that got shut down for death threats

[BardPop]

If you call 4 years quickly yeah, every pvp server was hurting pop wise by the time they stopped them. Don't think it had to do with ruleset just sullon zeks domination of enemy team.

[Crazycloud]

Trains killed Sullon Zek.

I trained BP (goods) for a good month straight. There numbers dropped from 70 to 20 during that time.
Damiax the leader of BP at the time begged me to stop training that i was killing off his guild. Well eventually i stopped and there numbers shot straight back up.

Same thing happened to my guild in ToW Speedd trained non stop and people quit.

As much as i love trains it will kill the server.

[Stalos_]

Y'all don't even know what a train is on r99. When Nihilum was on its heels due to the Azrael onslaught, the frustration was too much. One time in Fear, Tune pulled the entire zone and temple on top of us at west wall. He died on top of us in AoN form . Gg I never seen so many toons dirt napped at once.

This was before gm interest and punishment

[Kergan]

lol'd at "Nihilum on its heels".

[heartbrand]

Y'all don't even know what a train is on r99. When Nihilum was on its heels due to the Azrael onslaught, the frustration was too much. One time in Fear, Tune pulled the entire zone and temple on top of us at west wall. He died on top of us in AoN form . Gg I never seen so many toons dirt napped at once.

This was before gm interest and punishment

Lol spoken like someone who joined server two years in when pop was sub 200

[Crazycloud]

Who this Stalos guy?

[Stalos_]

zzz with the Who this comments.

:)

[Clark]

Remove it and save yourselves the time sink and headache.

[Drakaris]

Trains killed Sullon Zek.

I trained BP (goods) for a good month straight. There numbers dropped from 70 to 20 during that time.
Damiax the leader of BP at the time begged me to stop training that i was killing off his guild. Well eventually i stopped and there numbers shot straight back up.

Same thing happened to my guild in ToW Speedd trained non stop and people quit.

As much as i love trains it will kill the server.

Yeah bards were fucked up @ that point, they had so many AAs for insane survivability and had an AA that allowed them to dump aggro like Feign Death...

Shit was stupid...

[Kergan]

They could save themselves all a lot of time if they shut down the entire emu project too, but obviously they enjoy it on some level or they wouldn't be here.

[toolshed]

ya sullon zek was the red99 of classic everquest. If you ever saw that old message board that Sam the man Deathwalker was hosting you wouldn't have anything else to say. Pretty sure it was the only one that got shut down for death threats

"No more death threats about EZ Steve"

Oh bofis and viggs

Their shit still makes me laugh: http://sullonzeknojihadv2.yuku.com/topic/364/another-vigg-update-bofis-and-fonzerelli-and-lovey-too

[Trainhop]

If the top 10 PKs on the server suffered item loss when downed (Rallos Zek style) I guarenfuck'nteeyaboy they'd be considering ragging it from time to time.

[BardPop]

introduced vigg into the world of cocaine and coke whores. now im OCD on weightlifting and taking supplements instead of drugs and playing a 10 year old box

Eerie tool, the talking about ocd, weightlifting, drugs alcohol and playing a "10 year old pixelated box". Hell they even got a guy named jodi a post down. I was there when that forum launched but it was toxic as hell, idk what it is but reading it now it seems hilarious to me

[Sirken]

Remove it and save yourselves the time sink and headache.
raise.

rule breaking players waste more time than anything else

[Slathar]

raise.

rule breaking players waste more time than anything else

Determining if a rule has been broken at all is the root of the problem. And that has to be done if a rule has been broken or not.

Mass petition != rules broken

[heartbrand]

The problem isn't LNS, it's the five to ten habitual rule breaking fire giants who think if they keep breaking the same rules repeatedly that somehow it will be permissible to do so. Ban the fire giants, not change the rules.

The SEC can't stop insider trading with any real efficiency, should we legalize it?
Thousands of murders go unsolved every year, should we legalize murder?
99% of speeders will not get a ticket for speeding at that moment, should we abolish speed limits?
What about the rampant credit fraud, theft, etc., which goes unpunished?


Thanks.

[Slathar]

Those other scenarios don't relate. Murders aren't investigated by volunteers nor are the other crimes. It isn't a life or death scenario. It doesn't have financial livelihoods hanging in the balance. It's a project staffed by volunteers who could better use that time to release Velious, wipe red, implement Haynar's PvP patch and initiate variance.

[Pikrib]

The problem isn't LNS, it's the five to ten habitual rule breaking fire giants who think if they keep breaking the same rules repeatedly that somehow it will be permissible to do so. Ban the fire giants, not change the rules.

The SEC can't stop insider trading with any real efficiency, should we legalize it?
Thousands of murders go unsolved every year, should we legalize murder?
99% of speeders will not get a ticket for speeding at that moment, should we abolish speed limits?
What about the rampant credit fraud, theft, etc., which goes unpunished?


Thanks.

I would just like to note that HB killed me on LnS before.

[heartbrand]

Those other scenarios don't relate. Murders aren't investigated by volunteers nor are the other crimes. It isn't a life or death scenario. It doesn't have financial livelihoods hanging in the balance. It's a project staffed by volunteers who could better use that time to release Velious, wipe red, implement Haynar's PvP patch and initiate variance.

Sirken isn't a dev, Derubael isn't a dev, Aussie isn't a dev, etc. Their time being used to enforce rules is precisely what their volunteer job description is. By them spending time on enforcing the rules, they are in no shape taking away from Velious coding time. The implementation of the PvP patch is 100% dependent on Rogean, who doesn't have anything to do with PnP enforcement. Wiping red is again not in the hands of any of the volunteer staff.

Thanks.

[heartbrand]

Volunteer fire fighters should stop trying to deal with arson because it's near impossible to stop, their time could be better spent designing a cure to cancer.

[heartbrand]

smallmee one of those fire giant irl cripples who have been banned repeatedly. gotta give the guy credit tho, he quit for 2 years and still has a higher /played than tune

[Sirken]

The problem isn't LNS, it's the five to ten habitual rule breaking fire giants who think if they keep breaking the same rules repeatedly that somehow it will be permissible to do so. Ban the fire giants, not change the rules.

The SEC can't stop insider trading with any real efficiency, should we legalize it?
Thousands of murders go unsolved every year, should we legalize murder?
99% of speeders will not get a ticket for speeding at that moment, should we abolish speed limits?
What about the rampant credit fraud, theft, etc., which goes unpunished?


Thanks.

my hero

[Husalah]

dacbane disease was a term coined for the actions of players who are so sickly immersed they break all ties with old friends while maintaining top 1% played time despite having their main characters banned

[Nirgon]

Sirken's got a machete with a red handle bros

Fuck with him and your time will be now

[Widan]

Anyone know if Dirtstar got banned for two boxing? Haven't seen him or his box shaman around MM recently.

[xblade724]

I don't think removing the LnS portion of the PnP is necessary.

I would recommend harsher punishment for breaking server rules.

harsher punishment = less people breaking rules = less time sunk into dealing with people breaking server rules.

^

[Hamburgalur]

The bad apples must go.

[Potus]

The bad apples must go.

Agree. Ban the shitheads. Server will be better off.

[HappyTr33z]

Agree. Ban the shitheads. Server will be better off.

Definitely. I read in one thread that we have lost pretty much any gm that wanted to help red because of several toxic players. Why the hell would a gm leave the server instead of just banning the pricks? They need to stop being so soft handed towards people who act like obnoxious morons. instead of just going back to blue, and allowing those douchebag players to continue to play here and spew their bile, they should ban em, or atleast suspend.

Cut the cancer out!

[Chronoburn]

Harsher punishment like this ?

http://i.imgur.com/iiFL5k7.jpg

[Clark]

Remove it and save yourselves the time sink and headache.

[Clark]

Harsher punishment like this ?

http://i.imgur.com/iiFL5k7.jpg

This is the exact kind of bull shit that happened to a few people on live. When a complete tool of a GM (that nobody had ever heard of or seen in their life) would sweep through who never did jack shit of anything on the server, and just start making up rules out of his ass. You literally NEVER saw GMs on Rallos Zek/Zek Merger unless someone was cussing someone out in public channels. Trains all the time.

[Buhbuh]

If you align yourselves with the rule set of SZ on a server with a low population, you're discredited from go.

We tried this kind of shit on VZTZ and the population tanked.

I think you guys should be more clear about your intentions when you ask for shit like this. You like making people quit through any means possible. Your outlook is the antithesis of what 90% of this server wants. Despite how vocal that minority is on the boards, it's realistically the best way to ruin the server. But since that's your ultimate goal, that fact doesn't really phase you.

I.E. Get the fuck outta here with this fire giant shit and go suck your own dicks.

[SenoraRaton]

/signed

Why the hell are there so many esoteric rules that people use to justify just killing you anyway, I would rather not even bother.

Apparently you can't call LnS after 12 hours?