the age old rivalry

[iruinedyourday]

I know, ogre shaman cant be stunned, and barb is handsome and gets all kinds of bawse women...

but what specifically, can a ogre shaman kill that a non frontal stun shaman cannot?

what in velious have people, not been able to kill with the barb beta shaman, and has anyone else here killed it? I've duoed a bunch of dragons but haven't soloed but I think ill try a few one of these nights.

btw that beta shaman is so bawse (if your a barb lover)

whatever lover you are, gotta agree that pre-class armor boot & glove is siiiick

but before we get sidetracked, again, what can a ogre do that another race absolutely cannot?

i said bawse twice :/

[quido]

I understand it's more a matter of how long it takes you to kill stuff. All shamans can kill stuff, but if your spells are occasionally getting interrupted, it's going to take a bit more time.

[Estu]

Presumably also it's a question of probabilities. If you're getting interrupted more, there's more of a chance that you have a series of unfortunate events that lead to you dying (or having to bail out), if you're in a situation where you're taking a lot of melee hits.

[Ajax.eq]

Presumably also it's a question of probabilities. If you're getting interrupted more, there's more of a chance that you have a series of unfortunate events that lead to you dying (or having to bail out), if you're in a situation where you're taking a lot of melee hits.

^^This

On my druid, I usually die because I cannot get root/charm/gate off due to being interrupted.

[skipdog]

Most interrupts from mob melee is not from stuns. It's from push. Try standing in a corner some time and notice how very rarely you get interrupted.

I can't imagine anything in-game that can *only* be killed by Ogres. Will some things be a tad easier because of the non-possibility of stun interrupts? Sure, but most of the time, it won't matter at all, or the barbarian has to *gasp* recast some spell.

[Daldaen]

Most interrupts from mob melee is not from stuns. It's from push. Try standing in a corner some time and notice how very rarely you get interrupted.

I can't imagine anything in-game that can *only* be killed by Ogres. Will some things be a tad easier because of the non-possibility of stun interrupts? Sure, but most of the time, it won't matter at all, or the barbarian has to *gasp* recast some spell.

This. Most every time interrupts are push not stun based. Push interrupts happen on this server even when cornered. I don't think this is classic though, classic channeling was almost exclusively based on X,Y coordinates. (Or their absolutely retarded (Y,X) system... I mean honestly, who puts Y before X?).

To the point that you could run around and get back in a corner that you started your cast and finish that spell. It doesn't really work that way on this server. I get interrupted (not from bash) quite often when casting my Robe (12s cast) when tanking in a corner from melee push.

Melee push is all sorts of broken on this server. Monks were not able to interrupt casters by having epic hasted fists pummeling the mob. You needed stuns to interrupt.

[rgostic]

(Or their absolutely retarded (Y,X) system... I mean honestly, who puts Y before X?).

The world puts Y before X. Latitude and longitude are given with the north-south component first.

[iruinedyourday]

When an ogre is hit with a stunning attack from the front, does it interrupt casting & just not add the stun component? or is casting not interrupted at all from a bash?

[BlkCamel]

When an ogre is hit with a stunning attack from the front, does it interrupt casting & just not add the stun component? or is casting not interrupted at all from a bash?

not interrupted at all from bash. Spell continues casting and gives message that you channeled through.:D

[iruinedyourday]

not interrupted at all from bash. Spell continues casting and gives message that you channeled through.:D

pretty secksy..

Qquestion about some velious merbs.. I heard some have a 30% chance to stun with every hit.. Like WW dragons, or any others? Does anyone know this to be true or what merbs are able to stun more frequently than with than just their bash?

I imagine that stat could have an impact on this conversation, you know.. one day, when everything is frozen and were all like WOOOOOO!!!!!! NEW LEWTS!

[BlkCamel]

pretty secksy..

Qquestion about some velious merbs.. I heard some have a 30% chance to stun with every hit.. Like WW dragons, or any others? Does anyone know this to be true or what merbs are able to stun more frequently than with than just their bash?

I imagine that stat could have an impact on this conversation, you know.. one day, when everything is frozen and were all like WOOOOOO!!!!!! NEW LEWTS!

If I remember correctly Giants have additional stun chance per hit as well.:D

[Nirgon]

^ I brought this up and was chased with pitch forks

[Daldaen]

If I remember correctly Giants have additional stun chance per hit as well.:D

Evidences?

Never recall this but I can see some logic behind it. Need real evidence before it's worth implementing though.

[BlkCamel]

Evidences?

Never recall this but I can see some logic behind it. Need real evidence before it's worth implementing though.

None atm, was off memory and could be wrong. Will be looking for evidence now, most things I am finding talk about not being able to stun Giants. Not that they can stun on hit, so I may have been mistaken.:D

[Toehammer]

The world puts Y before X. Latitude and longitude are given with the north-south component first.

Marty, you're not thinking 3rd dimensionally! Latitude and longitude use spherical coordinates man!

[Lunababy]

IMO

Troll > Iksar > Ogre > Barbarian

regen = mana, #wannabenecro, etc

[Esheon]

None atm, was off memory and could be wrong. Will be looking for evidence now, most things I am finding talk about not being able to stun Giants. Not that they can stun on hit, so I may have been mistaken.:D

I soloed Velious giants on Live with a frog shaman, and I don't remember seeing any more stuns than usual. Granted, that was a long time ago...

[Synthlol]

Marty, you're not thinking 3rd dimensionally! Latitude and longitude use spherical coordinates man!

Ok you're right, it's technically Φ and Θ, and not Y and X. But projected onto a 2D map, it essentially becomes a rectangular coordinate system. Thus the grid on an EQatlas map functions similarly to the grid on, say, a USGS quadrangle, and I don't think that it was a mistake.

There's really no reason to assume that EQ uses X and Y coordinates, and not spherical ones projected into two dimensions. /loc returns unitless numbers.

[Byrjun]

The world puts Y before X. Latitude and longitude are given with the north-south component first.

Unless you're Minecraft. Coordinates are in (X,Y,Z).

X = Longitude
Y = Elevation
Z = Latitude

It's like Swedes have never seen a map.

[Buriedpast]

Ogre is best. Barb looks best. Regen is meh. Irrelevent.

[Potus]

Can we all agree Vah Shir are the worst shaman?

Can't even wear fungi tunic.

Thanks.

[Juhstin]

Can we all agree Vah Shir are the worst shaman?

Can't even wear fungi tunic.

Thanks.

What's a Vah Shir?

[gobbosnobbo]

You can still be interrupted by stuns as an ogre, you just don't get stunned. Try it, stand against a wall, and if a monster bashes you while casting, it will have a chance of interrupting the spell you're on, even though you don't move, or are pushed.

Additionally, its also about optimization. A mob only bashes what, every 52 seconds when slowed? Not worth the loss in regen or snare neck.

Troll all the way

[Malrubius]

You can still be interrupted by stuns as an ogre, you just don't get stunned. Try it, stand against a wall, and if a monster bashes you while casting, it will have a chance of interrupting the spell you're on, even though you don't move, or are pushed.

Additionally, its also about optimization. A mob only bashes what, every 52 seconds when slowed? Not worth the loss in regen or snare neck.

Troll all the way

^this, but really just play what you want. Any Shammy is deadly.

I find that my Ogre Shadow Knight is constantly getting interrupted. That made it easy for me to choose Troll when I rolled my Shammy alt. Free "innate Fungi Tunic" by 60, what's not to like?

And if my Ogre SK happens to have a corner handy (he often doesn't), then that helps a little on the interruptions, but that's true with any race. He still gets interrupted plenty.

[hammertime7795]

not interrupted at all from bash. Spell continues casting and gives message that you channeled through.:D

Not true bash can still interrupt you even if you are immune to frontal stun

[BlkCamel]

Not true bash can still interrupt you even if you are immune to frontal stun

Maybe if hit from side, Frontal Stun Immunity.:D

[hammertime7795]

Maybe if hit from side, Frontal Stun Immunity.:D

Bash does not need to stun you to interrupt you. Frontal stun immunity is not frontal bash immunity. Bash is that good. Even with a rune on bash can interrupt you. Even with DA on bash can stun you from behind.

[Cecily]

^this, but really just play what you want. Any Shammy is deadly.

I find that my Ogre Shadow Knight is constantly getting interrupted. That made it easy for me to choose Troll when I rolled my Shammy alt. Free "innate Fungi Tunic" by 60, what's not to like?

And if my Ogre SK happens to have a corner handy (he often doesn't), then that helps a little on the interruptions, but that's true with any race. He still gets interrupted plenty.

I remember grouping with this de sk at LCY who insisted on pulling every mob into a corner. I hated that guy.

[hammertime7795]

I remember grouping with this de sk at LCY who insisted on pulling every mob into a corner. I hated that guy.

kinda silly for an sk they can channel through quite a bit. unless he had like 12 mobs on him then he should corner them

[Daldaen]

Can we all agree Vah Shir are the worst shaman?

Can't even wear fungi tunic.

Thanks.

They just wore Lunar Fungus Tunics like the good shamans.

But yea, Iksar shaman is the master combination in Luclin/PoP for sure. Dat regen and baller status look.

[Widan]

Frontal stun immunity is not frontal bash immunity.

Yes, it is. But the frontal cone is only 90 degrees. So if a mob is anywhere in the other 270 degrees around you then the immunity doesn't apply. And bash will add to melee push I'm pretty sure so you can get interrupted that way.

Try dueling someone or playing on red and standing directly in front of them and only hitting bash on cooldown and see how many spells you interrupt.

[Daldaen]

In fairness, red isn't worth testing anything on with the amount of custom code they have.

[Widan]

Oh yea there was also that weird pvp code that gave each melee hit a 5% chance to interrupt a spell, not sure if Haynar took it out last patch or not, but I guess bash could interrupt from that as well.

[hammertime7795]

Yes, it is. But the frontal cone is only 90 degrees. So if a mob is anywhere in the other 270 degrees around you then the immunity doesn't apply. And bash will add to melee push I'm pretty sure so you can get interrupted that way.

Try dueling someone or playing on red and standing directly in front of them and only hitting bash on cooldown and see how many spells you interrupt.

That is not how bash works. Like i said even if you have a rune on and it does not truly hit or push you it can interrupt you.

[hammertime7795]

Furthermore bash will often interrupt any caster even if it does not stun them. The two components of bash seem to be completely separate rolls

[Widan]

That is not how it worked in classic or how it works here. Unless you have any evidence to post I'm not sure why you keep posting misinformation.

Literally no one would make an Ogre Shaman if bash worked the way you claim.

[Whirled]

...mebbe dem stats too...

http://wiki.project1999.com/images/Shaman-stats.png

[hammertime7795]

That's how it works on both. Frontal stun immunity is still king. A stun will interrupt you.

[Malrubius]

That's how it works on both. Frontal stun immunity is still king. A stun will interrupt you.

FSI is a rip-off, and I play an Ogre. Interrupted all the time.

[Something'Witty]

I started a troll shm (for the regen and clicky snare neck) on Fippy, and then race changed to Ogre during SoL or PoP. I can tell you with 100% certainty that frontal stun immunity did cut down on interrupts. In fact, it made a HUGE difference. I am not saying there was any content that I could not do as a troll that I could do as an ogre, just that the frequency of interrupts was greatly reduced after I switched to an ogre.

The caveat is that this was on Fippy, and the casting mechanics on P99 are different.