THIS SERVER NEEDS MORE GM'S

[magician]

THATS ALL.T HANK YOU

[Tassador]

naw its thunderdome

[Pitborn]

SZ rule set pls. ( But ban confirmed haxers )

[magician]

NOT JOKING

PLEASE HIRE MORE GMS. FUCK

[Dacuk]

why do you always type in caps?

[Recycled Children]

Having one would probably be good.

[Doors]

Welcome back tranny cocks.

[Crazycloud]

Well hire a REAL GM who can take RED shit

[Colgate]

derubael was run off by Azrael when they were dicks about his GM event

burt had nothing to do with that sirken

dat ain't right

[magician]

sirken used to be a red gm. miss u old pal sirkvztz

[magician]

:* (kissy face)

[Bazia]

sucks that a few douchebags annoy staff so much they leave

not really much the other 80% of us can do about 20% being obnoxious retards

[magician]

ya. ive only ever had positive feedback from gm's that have helped on red before. so not sure what the deal is to be honest.

[magician]

I think it has something to do with the fact that on red, gm's can't hang around 90 people in EC all the time turning them into ponies. (sorry had 2 say it)

[Crazycloud]

I think it has something to do with the fact that on red, gm's can't hang around 90 people in EC all the time turning them into ponies. (sorry had 2 say it)

[Littlegyno 10.0]

http://i.imgur.com/hViim3k.gif

applied to be guide on all forum accounts i've ever had.

the only people they want are sycophants and yes men (trannies?).

[Potus]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

A big chunk of the population is pretty cool and nice and laid back and helps people out. The bad apples need culled big time.

[Doors]

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.


Dude you serious right now?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168758

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168770

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168453

And that's not even going back to a year ago when TMO was pulling the most toxic shit imaginable to win FTE on raid targets those are all recent.

BLUE RAIDING POLICY:

Policy
Mobs are cycled through class assignments as they spawn, either as Class C, Class R, or FFA.


Guilds are classified as either Class "C" (Competitive), or Class "R" (Restricted).
Guilds not listed on this page may kill a mob as it spawns under any of the 3 assignments. Once a guild has successfully killed a mob, they are assigned to that classification which the mob spawned under.


Mob Kills
Class C guilds may kill a Class C or FFA spawned mob at any time. They may not kill a Class R spawned mob.
Class R guilds may kill a Class R, Class C, or FFA mob spawned at any time with the following restrictions:
Successfully killing a mob spawned under Class R puts that guild on lockout for that mob's next two class R spawns.
Successfully killing a mob spawned under Class C advances that guild to Class C automatically.
Exception: Any mob that has been alive longer than 6 hours will be considered FFA, and will not be restricted to Class or Lockouts.
Demotion from Class C to Class R may only be done at the approval of the Server Staff.


Exclusive Mobs
The following mobs are exclusive to Class C: Druushk, Hoshkar, Nexona, Phara Dar, Silverwing, Xygoz
Respawns
On any full server respawn, all guilds are limited to two raid mob kills for 12 hours. This limitation does not apply to mobs that are exclusive to a Class.
Dracoliche spawning with Cazic Thle (including full server respawns) will be considered an FFA non-cycled spawn, unless Cazic is killed first.


Play Nice Policy
Intentional training will be severely disciplined.
Guilds are encouraged to work out disputes among themselves before involving the staff.
All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.
Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.
To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.
Invulnerability spells used on engagement may only be for mechanic strategies, and may not be used to stall engagement.

You really going to act like blues server population is any less toxic or policing raid rules like that with ten times the playerbase size is easier? I like you Sirken but honestly this server has far less shitty people playing on it. Not even a question.

[toolshed]

I would GM you swarmy fucks so hard

[Nirgon]

Blue pretty disgusting.

Ban people burning out da guides.

[magician]

nirgon wanna have an ingame wedding? maybe we can attract attention.

[Nirgon]

Go fuck a spiroc u fire giant

[Agatha]

honestly though, i think it is the staff, there is no value to this server to them because you keep recruiting from blue to guide for red.

and you wont recruit from red because red players are all "toxic".


so, yea.. i would say this is a staff problem. lol.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

http://i.imgur.com/6fabdxb.gifv (http://imgur.com/6fabdxb)

[Tacitus]

Dude you serious right now?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168758

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168770

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168453

And that's not even going back to a year ago when TMO was pulling the most toxic shit imaginable to win FTE on raid targets those are all recent.

BLUE RAIDING POLICY:



You really going to act like blues server population is any less toxic or policing raid rules like that with ten times the playerbase size is easier? I like you Sirken but honestly this server has far less shitty people playing on it. Not even a question.

bluebie

[Agatha]

noone on red is going to give a shit that your a guide, they just want you to be there, its a thankless job, and the moment u start to think you deserve any kind of praise is when you should probably just quit.

just log in ur guide accnt for the boss mobs, make yourself visible, and u will prevent 90% of the servers guild vs guild problems.

Shit, make a bot do it, you don't even need to actually be there, just run a glider/bot that logs in at boss mob fights somewhere in the zone and stand still, literally noone will be able to tell the difference.

90% of server problems solved.

[Nirgon]

Who among you is guide enough to handle this pond of snappin turtles

[Agatha]

Who among you is guide enough to handle this pond of snappin turtles

literally anyone can do this job, the fact that its made to be a big thing is retarded. it's not. you are simply logging into an account that has guide powers (which you shouldn't use and you really don't have to). 90% of the problem will be solved by simply being there.

you seriously won't even have to do anything, i promise.

[Eslade]

noone on red is going to give a shit that your a guide, they just want you to be there, its a thankless job, and the moment u start to think you deserve any kind of praise is when you should probably just quit.

just log in ur guide accnt for the boss mobs, make yourself visible, and u will prevent 90% of the servers guild vs guild problems.

Shit, make a bot do it, you don't even need to actually be there, just run a glider/bot that logs in at boss mob fights somewhere in the zone and stand still, literally noone will be able to tell the difference.

90% of server problems solved.

This, I already suggested the scarecrow method.

Also ban the rule breakers permanently.

[Potus]

If there are dudes abusing guides and being jerks then yeah just fucking ban them. Also make it public. Like there needs to be a pillory on here where the Guides/Gms publicly shame who they banned and everyone can look it up and be like "OH DAYUM"

[Smedy]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

what i would bring to the table:

1. over 8 years of emu pvp experience, i've seen it all, i can understand how complex a pvp situation can get between guild and would never "shoot from the hip" in order to solve something, everything would have to have a rigorious process so things get solved properly, gm's making hastily calls (as banning holocaust for doing naggy the same way nihilum did) can easily kill a server.

2. i don't need your your attention, it has come to mind that gm's will get inflated egos by the overwhelming attention they get from e-pusssy on blue, and that makes them skip red. i get my fix elsewhere, i'm ready to dedicate myself to red99, no bluebie attention needed.

3. ability to promote the server, i know what information would be crucial not to leak and what information is whatever, i could easily record a video each week and release "this week on red99" for everyone to enjoy only containing stuff that's actually not making anyone mad because their secret strategy was leaked due to some gm, i know what i'm doing bros, no need to worry i am from the internet.

4. hold interesting pvp events for the players from all walks of life, newbs, high end and in between. (weekends only)

Willing to help here, ball always in your court, can't really judge me until you've seen me do work, talking shit on the forums is one thing, have you ever seen me talk shit in game? Nope. I could easily swich roles becoming a serious and respectable GM

TLDR: let me help?

[Agatha]

anyone can do it, smedy would be a good choice, nizzar would be a good choice. just make sure all they can do is port around and observe and ur fine.

[Mac Drettj]

Sirken plz rethink my petition thanks.

P.s. A couple of fire giants are getting married we need u to make it an innoruuk theme.

Spread the word and link to us. Thx

[Smedy]

as a gm i would hold your firegiant wedding, also would embrace the imminent pvp slaugther that comes with a wedding on a pvp server, shits classic

[Agatha]

have been asking for gay weddings on red99 for a while, always met with "no" :(.

would love 2 get married 2 my love.

[Mac Drettj]

as a gm i would hold your firegiant wedding, also would embrace the imminent pvp slaugther that comes with a wedding on a pvp server, shits classic

A fire giant wedding that doesn't end in bloodshed isn't a real wedding.

Derubel is throwing a POSER PARTY on b99.

[Doors]

Why doesn't rogean just make amends with Uthgaard and get his ass on here, would fix things real quick.

[Doors]

Not even trolling Uthgaard could stomach anything on this box and would obliterate peoples accounts that were boxing (brainz, lite) without thinking twice about it if he had prof.

[Recycled Children]

Uthgaard was rad.

[Sapphiay]

When i think of all what happened here: my start as a newbie sitting at bandits camp invis and totally alone as one player came and gave me a weapon and armor so i thought this could be a gm until i got stopped playing here by gm decision about my guild Nihilum, totally full raid equipped and thats all in 3 month i don't blame the player here. That was what happened by gm here that destroyed my EQ-life. I am desillusioned and i think there had been missing a professional behavior from gm.

I never used any bot or did anything bad. I am a 52 year old rl woman and i am for sure not part of any toxic population here and i got punished very hard. So that you had a normal player leaving here was not the fault of the player base.

I payed all time like on a normal server und would have liked gms i met there like in rift before they kicked out gms to save money or in other games. I would have paid further for this wonderful game i still appreciate very much. Get paid gms here so that they don't want to be loved by player from the one or the other side. Gms who just do a good job and are not on their own mission here.

[Smedy]

sapphiay may be the most brilliant troll ever, had me for awhile in the beginning dog, cast is that u? who could conjure up such a brilliant troll needs an award

[Farzo]

The problem with picking a GM from the player base is they are innately biased from the onset and would make all the tin foil hatters go bezerk with theories.

The problem with not picking a player based GM is he(or she) won't have the understanding of what's going on and make bad calls (call in the tin foilers after said bad calls).

Now: If you got an unassociated gm who never showed his face and was an arsehole fgt and banned said known rule breakers the moment they break rules I.e: rmt = goodbye; 1 month suspension across all accounts for training; boxing= goodbye; etc etc

A gm who spends x amount of time weekly/montly looking at the "known" fgts on server I.e once a month checks Sektorz for rmt (coz guy is doing it atm an everyone knows it Mr 400kpp wtb list/vibrating gloves) I.e checks lite/bstagor/x-y-z person for boxing buff toons etc. -Disclaimer: All the above mentioned persons are just an example of suspect people and their crimes - You'd soon find that more then not people will fall in to line a bit better.

You cannot beat a bunch of fgt nerds with a tea party scheme; you have to hit them where it hurts and that is with perma bans and loooooong suspensions.

Then you have people like Aussie/Durebael etc doing CSR work..... Problems solved.

[derpcake]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

Maybe if you actually banned some of these toxic people permanently, the server would be more enjoyable to players & staff?

Atm it sounds like you are saying "server too toxic, no staff for u", which is pretty funny given the extremely soft-handed approach taken.

[Clark]

SZ rule set pls. ( But ban confirmed haxers )

[Widan]

How hard is it to just have a GM go to r99pvp.com and suspend everyone who is obviously bind camping other players for long periods of time? I mean it has the time stamps there for you already, you hardly have to do any work.

[Widan]

I mean look at this: http://r99pvp.com/showplayer.php?p=Candie

It would take maybe one minute to ban this player

[quido]

Bind camping isn't even technically against the rules. It is also easily deterred with an LNS call, and if this is violated, it's easy to get the violator banned. I'd rather see Chopper get banned for screen-dragging.

[Widan]

Actually you are wrong. It clearly says it is against the rules twice in the stickied rules thread:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148787


Killing someone over and over again while at his or her bind-point or while they are in the process of looting and scooting is illegal and may result in disciplinary action taken against your account.

.................

Excessive bind point camping (killing a player over and over at their bind point) is against the rules.

[Bazia]

GMs still been helping out, even Eunomia comes over to help with stuff from time 2 time

[quido]

Rule seems vague and unclear - how many times is Ok before it's considered "over and over?" If people want a free pass, they should simply call LNS.

[Tassador]

Lns exist because you all can't just log off for 15 mins it's so sad. Rather than log of for a bit grab corpse and continue you have to call lns cower to your body gate out and continue your disease.

[heartbrand]

Lns exist because you all can't just log off for 15 mins it's so sad. Rather than log of for a bit grab corpse and continue you have to call lns cower to your body gate out and continue your disease.

It's needed because of the large amount of unemployed people who will dedicate their lives to sitting on your corpse

[Tacitus]

what i would bring to the table:

1. over 8 years of emu pvp experience, i've seen it all, i can understand how complex a pvp situation can get between guild and would never "shoot from the hip" in order to solve something, everything would have to have a rigorious process so things get solved properly, gm's making hastily calls (as banning holocaust for doing naggy the same way nihilum did) can easily kill a server.

2. i don't need your your attention, it has come to mind that gm's will get inflated egos by the overwhelming attention they get from e-pusssy on blue, and that makes them skip red. i get my fix elsewhere, i'm ready to dedicate myself to red99, no bluebie attention needed.

3. ability to promote the server, i know what information would be crucial not to leak and what information is whatever, i could easily record a video each week and release "this week on red99" for everyone to enjoy only containing stuff that's actually not making anyone mad because their secret strategy was leaked due to some gm, i know what i'm doing bros, no need to worry i am from the internet.

4. hold interesting pvp events for the players from all walks of life, newbs, high end and in between. (weekends only)

Willing to help here, ball always in your court, can't really judge me until you've seen me do work, talking shit on the forums is one thing, have you ever seen me talk shit in game? Nope. I could easily swich roles becoming a serious and respectable GM

TLDR: let me help?
I dont like the idea of this simply because of the same reason someone mentioned earlier, Staff taken from the playerbase will be biased...Your telling me if you saw Lite first hand screen dragging or boxing you would ban/suspend your own guild leader? Nah..definetly not. I wouldnt mind having a player with the ability to hold events though. No other powers though for sure...this would piss the community off, especially the side that doesnt have staff in their guild

[heartbrand]

I dont like the idea of this simply because of the same reason someone mentioned earlier, Staff taken from the playerbase will be biased...Your telling me if you saw Lite first hand screen dragging or boxing you would ban/suspend your own guild leader? Nah..definetly not. I wouldnt mind having a player with the ability to hold events though. No other powers though for sure...this would piss the community off, especially the side that doesnt have staff in their guild

Disagree. If I saw Gongshow boxing, he'd be gone. Chuck 2 boxing in the bear pits? Peace out. Mornin porting himself on his druid? C ya later nerd. Some real life platinum coins hanging from gyno's AoN's? Perma ban. Just like Lite, habitual boxer since day 1, Brainz, habitual boxer since day 1, would also be out of there.

[runlvlzero]

I just want to clarify if the staff ever considered me part of the problem... see I want to point fingers. But I want to know were I stand first. Well I've pointed lots of fingers and had fun doing it.

Does that make me part of the problem?

Even if I was right every single time?

Also, IMO banning everyone in this thread from R99 server (including me (IKR, :( ) ) would be sadface days... but probably would be a good start

[Pikrib]

Disagree. If I saw Gongshow boxing, he'd be gone. Chuck 2 boxing in the bear pits? Peace out. Mornin porting himself on his druid? C ya later nerd. Some real life platinum coins hanging from gyno's AoN's? Perma ban. Just like Lite, habitual boxer since day 1, Brainz, habitual boxer since day 1, would also be out of there.

Lets say you loaned your character to someone and they screen dragged. Would you ban your own character?

[Tacitus]

Disagree. If I saw Gongshow boxing, he'd be gone. Chuck 2 boxing in the bear pits? Peace out. Mornin porting himself on his druid? C ya later nerd. Some real life platinum coins hanging from gyno's AoN's? Perma ban. Just like Lite, habitual boxer since day 1, Brainz, habitual boxer since day 1, would also be out of there.

Everyone is different, there will still be some controversy regardless..the other side will allways cry " bias bias bias" no matter which side the rules will favor with a player GM, it will be alot to deal with. In my opinion just get someone who isn't affiliated with etheir side, or someone with good credientials on not being a dick face

[heartbrand]

1) I don't think screen dragging is a bannable offense? But if I did, then yes. Staff need to be held to a higher standard

2) I probably would stop playing other than to play anonymous alts and stay in tune with what was going on.

[heartbrand]

Everyone is different, there will still be some controversy regardless..the other side will allways cry " bias bias bias" no matter which side the rules will favor with a player GM, it will be alot to deal with. In my opinion just get someone who isn't affiliated with etheir side, or someone with good credientials on not being a dick face

Not possible. If you're "unaffiliated" it means you're a level 10 nobody with no clue what is going on here, and you eventually will become "affiliated' with either Holo or Az.

[Tacitus]

Not possible. If you're "unaffiliated" it means you're a level 10 nobody with no clue what is going on here, and you eventually will become "affiliated' with either Holo or Az.
Then the solution is to etheir have 2 people affiliated with each side..or none at at all. Just how it has to be

[heartbrand]

I think there are plenty of people who would be willing to give up their playing careers on red to become a guide/gm.

[Eslade]

Get one from each side and bring in a bluebie to mediate.

[Tassador]

It's needed because of the large amount of unemployed people who will dedicate their lives to sitting on your corpse

If someone sat on my corpse for 1 week i seriously don't think I would be the one losing.

[sotto]

i like how the gm response to this issue is insanely sarcastic trolling

pretty telling.

[Crazycloud]

i like how the gm response to this issue is insanely sarcastic trolling

pretty telling.

[kotton05]

A fire giant wedding that doesn't end in bloodshed isn't a real wedding.

Derubel is throwing a POSER PARTY on b99.

It'd be a real red wedding. See game of thrones.

[Mac Drettj]

i can be fair and unbiased

but i decline all offers

thx

[krazyGlue]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)
make me gm.i will give away all my gear / accounts and roll around only as a GM with the bann hammer. lmk i wont quit
<3
Sirks

[krazyGlue]

gah im so bad at quotes.

[Mac Drettj]

u rustled?

[Crazycloud]

Honestly if a GM gets run off server by a few dickwads then they don't deserve to be a red GM.

That's why we need a REAL red gm who can easily handle trolls.

Sirkin and all these other GMs complain about the red community but that's not the real issue. The issue is the FEW idiots who get under these guys small skin. There are a ton more dickheads on blue then red period.

They just want to host weddings all day just admit it guys.

[Kergan]

I thought one time about applying to be a guide.

Then I realized why would I want to do that?

[HippoNipple]

why should our volunteer staff have to deal with any shit at all from a bunch of ungrateful nerds?

its the constant false accusations, its the entitlement, its the not giving a fuck about the server, its the lack of appreciation for people like zade and aussie and derubael until its too late.

i mean, there's people on red that truly believe repops are in some way related to red server dramas/politics. do u have any idea how crazy that is? i mean, with respect to r99, that server doesn't even pop into rogeans head for a single second when doing repops. earthquake repops only exist due to the raid policy changes on blue that went into place in early 2014. the fact that they also happen on r99 was something we never even considered when discussing it.

red just has an uncanny ability to shit on the only person fighting for them, until theres no one behind the curtain fighting for them anymore. when instead, they should realize how lucky they are to have a person fighting for them at all, and literally line up outside the p99 office building to offer blowjobs to that person.

i mean, theres over 6000 active accounts on blue, and nearly 600 on red. based on that alone, why on earth would r99 would bite the only staff member on their side boggles my mind.

<3
Sirks

TL-DR = http://youtu.be/HUGQszYyf6o

You put in years of work to code an emulator that everyone respects and almost makes every other box unplayable because of how far ahead you are. Then you guys hold onto the code and won't share it with other projects while not properly running the server you do have open. It's nuts. It is sad that a player has to choose between a well coded server and GMs that actually care and are present. The PvP community would almost be better off if the server didn't exist. Best case scenario would be let someone interested in PvP run this box instead of having someone neglect it that hates their own server.

I get the whole volunteer and entitled deal but putting in all that work to create a server and then not actively running it just cockblocks the community from having a server developed by someone who cares.

I know you have no control over this and are just trying your best with what you are given but having a server as good as red99 with no GMs is a giant troll.

[Nirgon]

Name and shame who ran off the guides. Ban people. Talk whoever else is higher up on the totem pole if they don't like it, they can GM it.

The glistening prize waiting for you at the end of this indignant protest is that respected people leave and blame you... on boards you cannot moderate. Amelinda deserved that, you don't.

[HippoNipple]

Name and shame who ran off the guides. Ban people. Talk whoever else is higher up on the totem pole if they don't like it, they can GM it.

The glistening prize waiting for you at the end of this indignant protest is that respected people leave and blame you... on boards you cannot moderate. Amelinda deserved that, you don't.

Who is in charge of appointing guides though? There needs to be someone in charge of hiring other GMs/Guides that only works on Red99. I don't think this person exists. We are talking about wanting to hire guides and there is no one in power to hire guides that cares. Right now don't you need 1-2 people that don't care about the server to meet and agree on an applicant for something to happen?

[Kergan]

Not sure why the staff is shocked that people generally act worse to one and other on a server they are allowed to kill each other.

And of course the volume of petitions per capita is going to be double or triple, because there are far more things to petition about.

Also, it should come as no surprise that you have 10% of the active accounts but about 20-25% of the people logged at any given time...PVP servers tend to have more die hards.

I've been very supportive of the staff, but if you're surprised in any way by how people act, the server population, the volume of petitions, etc...I don't know what to say. You should have known this going in.

I can't imagine there is any shortage of people waiting in line to be staff even on R99. I understand you want to be very selective about who is allowed to have any sort of power. But at this point, you either need to make this place SZ rules or get people in here to enforce the rules as they are. Despite being a very bumpy road in the beginning, I think the server has embraced the PNP rules that were put in place. This is a great example of someone in a position of power on the server deciding to invest some time and make the server a better place.

I've been playing on R99 for well over a year now, and in that time I've seen one patch of any significance that contained PVP specific changes. There is a laundry list of minor and major things that need fixing. We have no dedicated dev (again, no shortage of people willing to do this), no dedicated CSRs and as you said, Rogean could give two flying fucks about R99.

Tell me again why I should ever bother logging in again? You can blame the players all you want, and we no doubt need to shoulder a good portion of the blame. But you can't put it all on us. If CSRs are burning out, bring some in and put them on a rotation so they can take a break on blue before their next tour of duty. Maybe get Rogean to give a shit about R99 for a few minutes and dedicate some resources to fixing things and making the server a better experience.

Or fuck it, if no staff wants to deal with us, no developers want to code for us and the person who runs the whole emu doesn't give a crap about the server he built for us then offer R99 to P99 character transfers and burn this fucker to the ground.

[Agatha]

alot of the problem is upper management, unwilling to admit what they have in red is not classic, and will never be classic, so they are unwilling to change the rules.

so what you have is GM's and guides like sirken enforcing a rulebase that actually works throughout the month, and then you have the people that own and run the project showing up every 6 months, getting mad its not being run the way they want it.

Lets be honest here, its not the players that is burning you out, its the high standards you are being held to on an impossibly low standard server.

the bar doesn't need to be lowered, the written rules need to be adjusted to what middle management (sirken/deru/guides) are already practicing.

I think we all know what im talking about here.

edit: just reread what i posted and realized probably noone knows, basically noone wants to GM red, or install guides for red because they would have to follow a certain rule book and enforce those rules, noone wants to do that because in order for red to even work certain rules need to be bent. if you don't know what that means just look within eachothers guilds that you know is wrong and then you will understand what im talking about. I won't mention it openly but the entirety of one guilds whole port/cleric side is all boxed.

And guess what, thats fine, cause kids.. thats the only way its working here right now.

[Kergan]

Honestly I have no idea what you're talking about Agatha.

[Genedin]

What Kergan said. (both posts)

[Agatha]

Honestly I have no idea what you're talking about Agatha.

PM sent

[mostbitter]

he's supporting boxing (big surprise)

[Agatha]

he's supporting boxing (big surprise)

it's not even that, im saying, forcing GM's to enforce rules they don't agree with, beyond agreeing with knowing for a fact that will hurt this server is shitty.

lets just be real about what is really burning these guys out.

[Agatha]

i refuse to believe its shitty people cause that is so easily dealt with... lol

[Genedin]

GM's tried to enforce rules.

PnP, no training, etc.

Shit doesn't work. Players gonna play and do what they want anyway.

They dont give a fuck about this box and everyone knows it. Just say fuck it all together, remove the rules and let us govern ourselves like the wild west.

[Elspeth]

server is thriving. cry more.

[mostbitter]

i think it is kind of funny that the people in charge of the server have let themselves feel powerless and then decided to blame the people they are in charge of for it. Pretty sure that in an other forum that would be the black and white description of poor management.

[Genedin]

I ain't crying. I just think there should be actual rule enforcement or no rules at all.

[heartbrand]

what gets me is they act like it's so difficult to find qualified people and then we keep getting amelinda's zades' uthgaards that other halfing gm dude who got pushed out

[Agatha]

if its really shitty people. here is your plan of attack

stage 1, GM presence, (stop moderating ooc, for fucks sake, just watch it, and wait for people being dicks, it will happen, once identifying dicks, show up, stare at them intently, at this point they will either camp out or say sorry)

problem solved for 90% of the server issues.

stage 2 : this is were your monitoring comes in handy, also your server presence, so you been on the server for a whole week, 8 hours a day, shit almost half of what i play, but that should be more than enough to have found out who's being a cock sucker and fucking up the community you GM for.

you're going to like this part, believe it or not, you still dont even have to ban these people. this is were you /tell <name> hello this is GM agatha, im here to inform you that i have been evaluating your behavior for the past week, your actions have been deemed toxic to the atmosphere and you will be punished if i observe you one more time doing so.

problems solved for 98% of the server

stage 3: ok so you have managed to guide this server for a month, you have enough presence on this server and monitoring of YT and whats going on to know for certainty who your problem makers are, the 2%, you have informed them to stop and they havn't.

no suspension, nothing, just a straight ban, boom 100% of your problems solved.

[Agatha]

server is thriving. cry more.

server is great, we have alot of fresh blood, there first big pvp battles ending up with trains.

not to mention the grief pvp farmers, that shit needs to be regulated by GM's. what smallmee and choppers crew does is not cool, at all.

mistmoore twinks. cb twinks, lvl 54 druids porting around to all the cloth casters leveling up.... shits a joke, GM's need to get involved in that aswell.

they won't last long, and there again we have lost our chance at making this server something great....again.

GM inaction can be fatal to a server. i pray to god that this wont be the case

[Elspeth]

what smallmee and other low 50s pvpers do is perfectly legal, and is and will always be a big part of pvp servers. what mrbigs was doing might be a little bit more "shady" perhaps, but perfectly legal and to say GMs should be stepping in on things like this is ridiculous.

[heartbrand]

what smallmee and other low 50s pvpers do is perfectly legal, and is and will always be a big part of pvp servers. what mrbigs was doing might be a little bit more "shady" perhaps, but perfectly legal and to say GMs should be stepping in on things like this is ridiculous.

sounds like a good equation for low pop box

[Nirgon]

Things I remain unsure about:

1. why the respectable community members have to suffer because of the shit bags.
2. why there aren't more in game punishments for behavior on boards
3. why the staff does not name and shame people who do things like this, you're using a VERY broad stroke labeling the community
4. why ban decisions would have to go through anyone other than Sirken/Derubael
5. why Sirken/Derubael can't immediately ban people who treat the volunteer staff poorly or do not listen to their directions. I remember the open defiance of Nizzar when he was told to move his bind from permafrost, why the hell should telling you guys no even cross his mind? Players should be scared shitless of doing something like this. Clearly some kind of precedent was set that this kind of thing was something you could get away with(??!?!?!).

I'm not bolding "why" to be condescending. I'm not bolding "why" to sharpen my tone or the words used. I'm doing it to point out that I'm aware of the fact that these things are currently the case but the reasons behind them are still unclear and the situation does not make sense that respectable, dedicated and knowledgeable VOLUNTEER staff members should have to take any kind of shit from people whatsoever.

Currently you have a system where people can brow beat or otherwise grief the staff off the server and then respectable players in the community afterwards. How the heck is that a working system? What is in the way of revising that? Really if you think of it, the staff and community end up being at the mercy of extremely toxic individuals instead of the staff. I know that's not what the GMs/guides I've talked to want and I know for certain that's not how it worked when I played on live. Instead of blaming you which some people will do as a knee jerk reaction (and because GM is right over your name on the boards and we look to you for help), please point us to the door to go pound on so we can ask them to stop tying your hands.

You know I'm in your corner (Sirk/Deru) and have always stood for a fairly enforced and classic server. I would hope the rest of the community reads something like "people are treating the guides like shit and they leave" and come forth with nothing less than outrage against the people causing it. Honestly, who would be against suspensions then bans for people who mistreat the staff?

PS: There is no way that you'd rather deal with class R/class C and who had what class where in the zone and the rule lawyering/LIES that go along with it over... anything else.

[HippoNipple]

it's not even that, im saying, forcing GM's to enforce rules they don't agree with, beyond agreeing with knowing for a fact that will hurt this server is shitty.

lets just be real about what is really burning these guys out.

Boxing will never be legal on this server. I don't agree that guides aren't signing up because they don't agree with server rules. I think the problem is that no major decisions get made up top so no one ever gets appointed.

The current state of the server is that it has strict rules on what will get you banned with no one to enforce them. So you have people following the rules and dealing with others breaking them paired with random bans that seem to sweep the server maybe once a year. The bans hit a very small percentage of the people breaking the rules and then the conspiracy theories start coming out giving the community the feeling that things are not being done fairly.

You either have a no rules server or you have someone online to enforce the rules and vision the GMs have. Being stuck in the middle is not good.

[Elspeth]

makes me wounder if any of you clowns have played on a pvp server before coming here. crying about things that are basically pvp-server foundations. training and breaking actual rules are one thing, but QQing about twink pvp? get real.

[heartbrand]

RZ was basically a blue server not sherrif srs

[Agatha]

what smallmee and other low 50s pvpers do is perfectly legal, and is and will always be a big part of pvp servers. what mrbigs was doing might be a little bit more "shady" perhaps, but perfectly legal and to say GMs should be stepping in on things like this is ridiculous.

this is the exact statement that makes shit shitty, just because its legal doesn't mean its right, in the middle east its legal to marry 8 year olds. Does that make it cool?

This is a huge problem within azrael, the mentality of its not against the rules.

The rules serves as a guideline and you should always lean further into the rule than stated using empathy and not aim to be a cock sucker.

[HippoNipple]

this is the exact statement that makes shit shitty, just because its legal doesn't mean its right, in the middle east its legal to marry 8 year olds. Does that make it cool?

This is a huge problem within azrael, the mentality of its not against the rules.

The rules serves as a guideline and you should always lean further into the rule that stated using empathy and not aim to be a cock sucker.

Having villains is important for a mmorpg. It is actually good having people that do scummy things within the rules as long as they aren't exploiting or finding loop holes to cheat.

[Elspeth]

the server has been gimped to a 4 level pvp range already. cry more. maybe you'd feel better if pvp was just disabled entirely?

[Sektor]

Disagree. If I saw Gongshow boxing, he'd be gone. Chuck 2 boxing in the bear pits? Peace out. Mornin porting himself on his druid? C ya later nerd. Some real life platinum coins hanging from gyno's AoN's? Perma ban. Just like Lite, habitual boxer since day 1, Brainz, habitual boxer since day 1, would also be out of there.


You were guilded with Gyno and Chuck while he was rmting and while Chuck was boxing Gynos rogue aka your rogue Tyrionn to level him to 60, pretty sure you put a blind eye while it was going down because it benefited you.

All and all, you myself and 95% of this community has broken the rules one way or the other, most got away with it and some didn't.

[Awwalike]

derubael was run off by Azrael when they were dicks about his GM event

derubael made a fail GM event and when azrael arrived his mob wasn't "working" properly and started DTing all of Azrael. after derubael saying the whole server needs to work together to kill it he tanks said mob on his GM account so 20 ex nilly could kill it for free pixels at 3am.


tite

[Haynar]

Well hire a REAL GM who can take RED shit
If I was paid, I could put up with a lot of crap.

However ....

[heartbrand]

the server has been gimped to a 4 level pvp range already. cry more. maybe you'd feel better if pvp was just disabled entirely?

Hey moran u realize level range on live is 4 right?

[Swish]

this is the exact statement that makes shit shitty, just because its legal doesn't mean its right, in the middle east its legal to marry 8 year olds. Does that make it cool?

http://memecrunch.com/meme/GI4O/8-year-olds-dude/image.jpg?w=400&c=1

[Elspeth]

i played on sullon zek, so go fuck yourself.

[Crazycloud]

If I was paid, I could put up with a lot of crap.

However ....

There are people who are willing to do it without getting paid :D

[Burgerking]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

That has nothing to do with us. If a GM was appointed that cannot handle life on red than he was an inadequate choice for a GM.

When choosing a volunteer firefighter being around fire comes as part of the job. Volunteers are forced each day to do things that are taxing and hard yet must perform they're duties or they are removed. Any server where players are forced to fight each other daily will have more friction than a server where cooperation is the key component for winning. Player's being mean to you is not an acceptable excuse for failing in your duties when you applied for a position(volunteer or not) that revolves around customer service.

Leaving a server errant with no GM assistance is not an acceptable solution regardless of what the perceived reason is for it being so. If another Gm is chosen that cannot handle red then they were simply poorly picked.

why should our volunteer staff have to deal with any shit at all from a bunch of ungrateful nerds?

its the constant false accusations, its the entitlement, its the not giving a fuck about the server, its the lack of appreciation for people like zade and aussie and derubael until its too late.

i mean, there's people on red that truly believe repops are in some way related to red server dramas/politics. do u have any idea how crazy that is? i mean, with respect to r99, that server doesn't even pop into rogeans head for a single second when doing repops. earthquake repops only exist due to the raid policy changes on blue that went into place in early 2014. the fact that they also happen on r99 was something we never even considered when discussing it.

red just has an uncanny ability to shit on the only person fighting for them, until theres no one behind the curtain fighting for them anymore. when instead, they should realize how lucky they are to have a person fighting for them at all, and literally line up outside the p99 office building to offer blowjobs to that person.

i mean, theres over 6000 active accounts on blue, and nearly 600 on red. based on that alone, why on earth would r99 would bite the only staff member on their side boggles my mind.

<3
Sirks

TL-DR = http://youtu.be/HUGQszYyf6o

Because it's a customer service job and taking shit is literally in the guide application, you think a volunteer firefighter can show up to a fire and if the person who's house is burning is rude to them, they can let it burn and tell the person to go fuck themselves lol No. It's just part of the job man, volunteer or not.

[Genedin]

I played on rallos zek. People at end game wore full gear. When I killed someone and took their sash of dragon born I got death threats for weeks from their guild...on a pvp server...for killing someone.

Yea shit was pretty blue.

[daasgoot]

tactical GM absence.

community incapable of coming together to fight an in-game mob (duh its fucking pvp server with lots of emotions and history. dropping a big mob in DC is not gonna somehow make everyone be pals and work together)

instead, staff gives red something they can come together and fight - the staff

tactical.

[Not_Kazowi]

Shut it down wipe it clean

[ricquire]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

My business is not making money.

I better stop trying to hire/train new employees because it MUST BE THE CUSTOMERS FAULT.

[Colgate]

ex nilly

LOL

[ricquire]

If I was paid, I could put up with a lot of crap.

However ....

I can understand this, in terms of human tendencies but humor me and think about this from the stance of a business model.

You are the CEO of a not-for-profit organization who helps the homeless.

You find out one of your volunteers has not been managing his distribution center adequately and they routinely run out of food.

You also find out he has been telling the homeless that come to that distribution center that he does not have to do a good job managing the center, because he is unpaid, and he does not care about dirty homeless people.

Do you continue to let him volunteer?

[Elspeth]

current nilly



LOL

[heartbrand]

never seen elspeh in game? any1 know wut class he is?

[Elspeth]

^ mad blubie.

[Sektor]

never seen elspeh in game? any1 know wut class he is?

lolol I actually never knew he existed until I joined Azrael.

[Colgate]

lolol I actually never knew he existed until I joined Azrael.

that's because he was a fairweather player that only logged in to kill dragons

[mostbitter]

never seen elspeh in game? any1 know wut class he is?

Word on the street is he is the proud new owner of Topdog who as we all know was sold for onions.

[Not Salem]

elspeth tee'd up every kill in the peak, honestly couldn't of done it with his honed pvp skills

[Elspeth]

colgate seems a bit rustled? you dont see me on elspeth very often because im typically playing whatever class is needed to fill out composition. while most people are only interested in playing their mains im playing whatever classes are needed to win. feels goog being the backbone of the top guild 8)

[Andis]

the server has been gimped to a 4 level pvp range already. cry more. maybe you'd feel better if pvp was just disabled entirely?

there is a place for that

its called fucking BLUE

[Andis]

that's because he was a fairweather player that only logged in to kill dragons

says the other fair weather player

"...uhh going out to dinner with my gf.. uhh .."

oh look all of a sudden colgate got PLENTY of time to play

sorry gf, no dinner for you. 8)

[Andis]

colgate seems a bit rustled? you dont see me on elspeth very often because im typically playing whatever class is needed to fill out composition. while most people are only interested in playing their mains im playing whatever classes are needed to win. feels goog being the backbone of the top guild 8)

/bow

[Pudge]

I AM AN ANGRY NERD. I DON'T GET ENOUGH NERD HELP FOR MY NERD GAME. I HATE ALL MY DUNGEON MASTERS!!...but why do they hate me?

[Pikrib]

Sirk was right about the "entitled" part. We (for the most part) appreciate these servers and hope they stay around. I have had a ton o'fun playing here.

This shit is free.
Enjoy it.

Donate if you can.
Try not to shit on others enjoyment.

This aint your server.
Make your own if you are unhappy here.

[Genedin]

Fuck I actually agree with Burgerking.

Pikrib thanks for the reminder. I just donated.

[Fame]

Server does better with less rules and enforcement, I'm sorrynotsorry you don't have anyone to hear your sweet laments. Lord of the Flies motherfuckers

[Gnomegrown]

you guys want a gm then you shit everything up till they say fuck it and leave

rulebreaking goes unpunished here, so the toxics buildup and ruin the gameplay for casuals

its all a cycle, and it begins with bans.

but since nizzar was allowed to run a guild built solely on rmt for what 2 years? I doubt anything will happen

tl/dr no one gives a fuck, blue is their cash machine and they ride it dirty

red is just a sewer they flush the toxics to so they can keep blue a bit cleaner.

[heartbrand]

you guys want a gm then you shit everything up till they say fuck it and leave

rulebreaking goes unpunished here, so the toxics buildup and ruin the gameplay for casuals

its all a cycle, and it begins with bans.

but since nizzar was allowed to run a guild built solely on rmt for what 2 years? I doubt anything will happen

tl/dr no one gives a fuck, blue is their cash machine and they ride it dirty

red is just a sewer they flush the toxics to so they can keep blue a bit cleaner.

solely on rmt wut? i have bis warrior and paid $0 for it. u dum

[Sektor]

Fuck I actually agree with Burgerking.

Pikrib thanks for the reminder. I just donated.

[Eslade]

Fuck I actually agree with Burgerking.

Pikrib thanks for the reminder. I just donated.

Mind summarizing? I don't read anything that bk writes that is above 4 sentences.

[Colgate]

says the other fair weather player

"...uhh going out to dinner with my gf.. uhh .."

oh look all of a sudden colgate got PLENTY of time to play

sorry gf, no dinner for you. 8)

do you even know what a fairweather player is?

of course you don't; you're a legitimate retard

[Burgerking]

I can understand this, in terms of human tendencies but humor me and think about this from the stance of a business model.

You are the CEO of a not-for-profit organization who helps the homeless.

You find out one of your volunteers has not been managing his distribution center adequately and they routinely run out of food.

You also find out he has been telling the homeless that come to that distribution center that he does not have to do a good job managing the center, because he is unpaid, and he does not care about dirty homeless people.

Do you continue to let him volunteer?

Exactly, I'm sorry but applying and volunteering for a position, and then not performing the duties entitled in "said position" with merely the excuse of "I'm not getting paid" would not be tolerated in any other volunteer position in the world.

Fighting fire's, and feeding the homeless are not glamorous jobs with many rewards. If i knew a girl who kept dating assholes over and over again at what point do I stop blaming the assholes and start blaming the girl for picking the wrong guy everytime. If you have a stack of guide applications and the ones picked can never do they're job on red without quiting, maybe it's because the wrong applications keep being picked.

But I think it's pointless to play the blame game, the result is still the same, we have a server with allot of rules and none of which can be enforced. Maybe we can stop pointing fingers and look for a meaningful solution.

[Andis]

I ain't crying. I just think there should be actual rule enforcement or no rules at all.

agree here

police it

or remove ALL rules

[SamwiseRed]

give me the power sirken. ill round em all up and hang em in the town center.

[Andis]

do you even know what a fairweather player is?

of course you don't; you're a legitimate retard

legitimate retard with MBA

that all you got nowadays?

damn colgate FQing has dwindled, thats for damn sure

[daasgoot]

agree here

police it

or remove ALL rules

[Pikrib]

The pop would drop if we removed rules.

Removing all rules = bad idea.

[HippoNipple]

I can understand this, in terms of human tendencies but humor me and think about this from the stance of a business model.

You are the CEO of a not-for-profit organization who helps the homeless.

You find out one of your volunteers has not been managing his distribution center adequately and they routinely run out of food.

You also find out he has been telling the homeless that come to that distribution center that he does not have to do a good job managing the center, because he is unpaid, and he does not care about dirty homeless people.

Do you continue to let him volunteer?

Comparing Red99 to a homeless shelter where the players need to be spoon fed to prolong their worthless existence is an outrage, I can't believe you would make this absurd comparison.































JK that is exactly what Red99 is.

[Eslade]

How about no rules Monday?

[Burgerking]

But I think it's pointless to play the blame game, the result is still the same, we have a server with allot of rules and none of which can be enforced. Maybe we can stop pointing fingers and look for a meaningful solution.

agree here

police it

or remove ALL rules

Logically there are only two solutions, hire more GM's or Remove all rules. Selectively enforcing rules is worse than having none at all. It punishes the people who follow the rules, while allowing people who don't to repeatedly offend.

[Andis]

one thing we agree on syft

wow never thought would happen lol

[ricquire]

If you have a stack of guide applications and the ones picked can never do they're job on red without quiting, maybe it's because the wrong applications keep being picked.

Can't agree more.

As I have said in other posts, we all know that of the 600 "active accounts" on red, probably 400 of them have offered to be guides, simply because most of the p99 populace is sick in the head about EQ.

My expectation would be some defense that "most of those people have connections they could not overlook to current players on the server... blah blah.. conflict of interests... blah.."; but I would further guess that many of these players put a guide app in before they established and actually played with people on red, again because these people are sick in the head about EQ.

Of the random assortment of guides over the years that have been selected from the pool of applicants, they all have had unprofessional customer service skills; either by chance, or as a consequence of the selective criteria.

Stop trying to have mail carriers fight fires.

[Mac Drettj]

when mobs dissapear into the world and summon other players there and no gms are willing to help because they think the entire server is toxic

somethin wrong

[Smedy]

Word on the street is he is the proud new owner of Topdog who as we all know was sold for onions.

wut is this

top g still my nightrider

[Agatha]

smedy join TS and say gooblins for me.

[lite]

GM's should have taken more severe stance on training early on. Every single time someone trained, regardless of the severity and impact it was always a 1 week suspension that gradually escalated each time you did it. It meant absolute shit...

You trained 1 group, 1 week suspension. You trained a massive 40v40 raid costing 40 people 3 hours + of their time... one toon gets a 1 week suspension. It got to the point where one toon taking a week suspension meant absolute shit, ad following the rules was just not logical towards the advancement of the guild.

someone called someone else's mom a "super ****** drunk lover", 1 week suspension.....

we are clearly the scummiest society around and the way actions were being punished did not reflect on a staff that understood how to properly penalize us.

For example... the first time we beat Nihilum over Draco.. Nizzar trained the shit out of Fear on us,causing us to lose the battle. It was documented .... he got a 1 week suspension. that was it... No draco gear turned over, No raid suspensions.. Some events are far more meaningful than others and the server needs a GM in tune with what's going on and what means what.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Things I remain unsure about:

1. why the respectable community members have to suffer because of the shit bags.
2. why there aren't more in game punishments for behavior on boards
3. why the staff does not name and shame people who do things like this, you're using a VERY broad stroke labeling the community
4. why ban decisions would have to go through anyone other than Sirken/Derubael
5. why Sirken/Derubael can't immediately ban people who treat the volunteer staff poorly or do not listen to their directions. I remember the open defiance of Nizzar when he was told to move his bind from permafrost, why the hell should telling you guys no even cross his mind? Players should be scared shitless of doing something like this. Clearly some kind of precedent was set that this kind of thing was something you could get away with(??!?!?!).

I'm not bolding "why" to be condescending. I'm not bolding "why" to sharpen my tone or the words used. I'm doing it to point out that I'm aware of the fact that these things are currently the case but the reasons behind them are still unclear and the situation does not make sense that respectable, dedicated and knowledgeable VOLUNTEER staff members should have to take any kind of shit from people whatsoever.

Currently you have a system where people can brow beat or otherwise grief the staff off the server and then respectable players in the community afterwards. How the heck is that a working system? What is in the way of revising that? Really if you think of it, the staff and community end up being at the mercy of extremely toxic individuals instead of the staff. I know that's not what the GMs/guides I've talked to want and I know for certain that's not how it worked when I played on live. Instead of blaming you which some people will do as a knee jerk reaction (and because GM is right over your name on the boards and we look to you for help), please point us to the door to go pound on so we can ask them to stop tying your hands.

You know I'm in your corner (Sirk/Deru) and have always stood for a fairly enforced and classic server. I would hope the rest of the community reads something like "people are treating the guides like shit and they leave" and come forth with nothing less than outrage against the people causing it. Honestly, who would be against suspensions then bans for people who mistreat the staff?

PS: There is no way that you'd rather deal with class R/class C and who had what class where in the zone and the rule lawyering/LIES that go along with it over... anything else.

Well put.

Why is it so hard for people to not be a dick-blistering faggot?

[Kergan]

R99/homeless shelter comparison spot on. We have nowhere else to go, nobody helping us really wants to be here, and there is a never ending supply of bumfights.

p.s. Andis bringing up his alleged MBA from Phoenix U as a reason he isn't retarded was pretty hilarious too. Guy is a certifiable medical grade retarded person.

[ricquire]

We opened a steakhouse called Prime 99 Rare, we thought it was clever and called it p99 red for short. We hired some of the industries top chefs and well trained service staff.

We did well at first, lots of people liked our take on classic steakhouse dining. You got to pick which cow your steak came from; the meat was all tagged with yellow text labels of the name of the cow and the ranch it came from.

But then the problems started.

We started getting a lot of complaints. First it was the service, then it was the product, and it ended up with how we managed the entire restaurant.

We kept having chef's and server's quit, the turnover was insane. They would tell us how our customers were so unreasonable, illogical, and had high expectations. We would replace them each time only to have the new candidates say the same and walk out.

So we figured it HAD TO BE THE CUSTOMERS FAULT. They were the common denominator in this equation.

So we continued on and on and on believing it was them not us. Our investors pulled out and we went under.

[Colgate]

R99/homeless shelter comparison spot on. We have nowhere else to go, nobody helping us really wants to be here, and there is a never ending supply of bumfights.

p.s. Andis bringing up his alleged MBA from Phoenix U as a reason he isn't retarded was pretty hilarious too. Guy is a certifiable medical grade retarded person.

yaw i'm unable to stop the laughter atm

[Smedy]

smedy join TS and say gooblins for me.

only if jupe logs on and says bergurgle we may have a trade

[Genedin]

#bumfights

[Buhbuh]

GMs definitely not hard enough on people for breaking the rules.

There's no meaningful precedent set. Suspend Lite? Okay, 5 other equally geared bards are in his possession. Suspend Nizzar? Jizzar, Trav, etc. it means nothing to people. We all have geared alts.

Ban permanently.

[Andis]

yaw i'm unable to stop the laughter atm

glad to know your laughing at untrue statements

tards will be tards

[Andis]

GMs definitely not hard enough on people for breaking the rules.

There's no meaningful precedent set. Suspend Lite? Okay, 5 other equally geared bards are in his possession. Suspend Nizzar? Jizzar, Trav, etc. it means nothing to people. We all have geared alts.

Ban permanently.

you cant ban permanently here

box at steady 100-200

start banhammering and you get pop at 50

solid attempt tho

[heartbrand]

why not @ least have guides with the ability to unstick mobs / unstick people / remove naming violations, etc.?

[Sektor]

What's going on ITT?

COME BACK RED NEEDS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[heartbrand]

What's going on ITT?

no GM's for red, same people 3-4 boxing for last 2 years and GM's saying they got no prof, thin skin etc., etc.

[Fame]

All and all, you myself and 95% of this community has broken the rules one way or the other, most got away with it and some didn't.

that is total bullshit, there is way more than 5% legit players here, I never broke any rules or did anything shady and I'm only one of the dozens of other players just like me. Don't lump us in with you man. I don't give a shit about rmt but that doesn't mean I do it. Game genie and BoBaFeTT's Diablo Trainer taught me all I needed to know about cheating: https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrawkjlpnu1r1wfdzo1_500.gif

[Stasis01]

Only rule I really like is guild LNS, since having a neckbeard crew take shifts corpse camping a weaker guild is a sure way to make them quit.

I guess training lowbie grps is bad and they have no way to combat it, but raid training... please, every pvp fight has trains, every one will - sometimes it's accidental, other times it's just some guy running into mobs as he dies to try to leash a few on his killer.

I mean how far do you take it - someone accidentally agro's a mob in POH he's suppose dto run off and solo that mob or die to it if he's a melee?

Doesn't make any sense, like a lot of the way this place has been run.

[lite]

GMs definitely not hard enough on people for breaking the rules.

There's no meaningful precedent set. Suspend Lite? Okay, 5 other equally geared bards are in his possession. Suspend Nizzar? Jizzar, Trav, etc. it means nothing to people. We all have geared alts.

Ban permanently.


Guild wide punishments needed to happen so long ago

Suspensions from specific NPC's. Suspend known toons people would use alternatively.. .AKA u suspended Nizzar. .. u also suspended jizzar ect... Everything was so inconsequential ... Someone's train caused another guild to lose the mob ? Give the guild the gear afterwards and suspend the trainers from said event for x weeks...

shit like that would have gone a long way so long ago, but it was always suspending 1 toon for 1 week. There was literally no good reason to follow the rules when taking the punishment into account. It was more detrimental to not train, ect, than to lose a toon for a week.

[Stasis01]

I mean you could argue no training in VP just because of how devastating the trains are, but the rest of the zones easy to combat and deal with.

[Genedin]

Guild wide punishments needed to happen so long ago

Suspensions from specific NPC's. Suspend known toons people would use alternatively.. .AKA u suspended Nizzar. .. u also suspended jizzar ect... Everything was so inconsequential ... Someone's train caused another guild to lose the mob ? Give the guild the gear afterwards and suspend the trainers from said event for x weeks...

shit like that would have gone a long way so long ago, but it was always suspending 1 toon for 1 week. There was literally no good reason to follow the rules when taking the punishment into account. It was more detrimental to not train, ect, than to lose a toon for a week.

[Nirgon]

What's going on ITT?

Apparently we need someone to give Sirken, Derubael and the guides a break from dealing with shit. I'm sure it would burn almost anyone out.... except for maybe someone.. hmmm I wonder who likes to roll up his sleeves and stomp the crazies..

We got Haynar as our PvP dev which is amazing.... right guy for the job....

Oh I know!

Most people would love your brand of GMing here. Doling out that kind of enforcement isn't everyone's cup of tea, but its yours. I'm sure Sirken and Derubael would be fine with it.

[Stasis01]

I mean even Colgate, he was training in VP - he said he broke someones invis then they leashed on him, so he ran back to our raid and started flopping.

Do we care? No, we can watch out for agro. All of it was accidental, we have the capability and the players to deal with it.

Stupid rules be stupid, people get banned for easy solution problems - thus petitionquest is born.

[Colgate]

not every large fight has to have a train

some zones like plane of hate? a couple of the roaming mobs will most likely respawn, but that doesn't justify some idiot running off and grabbing half the zone to bring it back with "well who cares you were gonna have mobs anyway!"

that's just retarded

[Burgerking]

I mean even Colgate, he was training in VP - he said he broke someones invis then they leashed on him, so he ran back to our raid and started flopping.

Do we care? No, we can watch out for agro. All of it was accidental, we have the capability and the players to deal with it.

Stupid rules be stupid, people get banned for easy solution problems - thus petitionquest is born.

Can you say anything without making yourself look like a complete hypocritical ass in the process. Your guild is more guilty of petitionquest, and lawyer doctoring rules than every other guild on red combined.

I could build a paper industrial complex if I printed all the forms of Azrael's petition-questing.

[Not_Kazowi]

legitimate retard with MBA

that all you got nowadays?

damn colgate FQing has dwindled, thats for damn sure

You having an MBA is comical, you get it at Phoenix university?

Andis with 900 days played with 0 top end loot. Maybe make another thread begging for an aon

[Dacuk]

a lot of crybaby bitching in this thread. be appreciative of the server we have. fucking babies.

If you don't like it, apply to be a guide and maybe if you are accepted you can make an impact. if you're not accepted it means you aren't qualified for their standards, so therefore have no leg to stand on to complain when you are playing on a free box where the owners are allowed to make whatever rules they want.

You think they need red? lol, if i was rogean i would shit this shithole down and just enjoy blue.

[Burgerking]

a lot of crybaby bitching in this thread. be appreciative of the server we have. fucking babies.

If you don't like it, apply to be a guide and maybe if you are accepted you can make an impact. if you're not accepted it means you aren't qualified for their standards, so therefore have no leg to stand on to complain when you are playing on a free box where the owners are allowed to make whatever rules they want.

You think they need red? lol, if i was rogean i would shit this shithole down and just enjoy blue.

Thanks for your intellectually sound and mature response, but If i want advice from someone who wipes back to front I'll visit a school for the mentally handicapped.

[Buhbuh]

Andis, adolescents are talking. Please.

You do realize the purpose of a precedent is to frighten assholes and assure those who don't it won't be stood for.

I like how Lite literally just expressed the same sentiment and you chose to post and quote me anyway.

[Sektor]

that is total bullshit, there is way more than 5% legit players here, I never broke any rules or did anything shady and I'm only one of the dozens of other players just like me. Don't lump us in with you man. I don't give a shit about rmt but that doesn't mean I do it. Game genie and BoBaFeTT's Diablo Trainer taught me all I needed to know about cheating: https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrawkjlpnu1r1wfdzo1_500.gif

are you not iucky the halfing druid that's been caught boxing multiple times?

[Eslade]

are you not iucky the halfing druid that's been caught boxing multiple times?

I possess the cleanest whistle out of any of you.

[Dacuk]

Thanks for your intellectually sound and mature response, but If i want advice from someone who wipes back to front I'll visit a school for the mentally handicapped.

you think a single person in this community takes a single post of yours seriously? You are a loudmouth sycophant that lives in a retard bubble and you have zero self awareness.

Just by replying to you i've already lost this forumquest unfortunately. "never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". That shit holds true for almost every bit of forumquest interaction here.

my apologies to the community for posting something that made you add your worthless commentary to a mostly worthless threadc.

[Colgate]

dacuk the problem is a huge amount of people have applied to be guides, coders, etc. and rogean literally

does

not

care

[sotto]

colgate 2014

[Dacuk]

i know man. the whole story of this server is he doesn't care. how do people not realize that? this is the hand we've been dealt - just gotta play it and make the best of it we can.

in a perfect world we'd have community leaders that could manage this on their own. imagine if you lite powered gongshow and some other random slosh or flowers moran got in teamspeak once a week, with the overall community as the number one goal for that meeting, and acted on in game and forum behavior from your members that was detrimental to the community and actively held them accountable and disciplined.

Thats what it would take. Unfortunately don't see that happening. but if we want the server to change, thats what would need to happen. not crying to rogean

[heartbrand]

my biggest issue again is that 100's of people have applied and have been rejected because of the so called "lofty standards" yet we get people like Amelinda repeatedly.

[heartbrand]

sirken and derubael tried to do that with lite & tune and lite just bitched the whole time

[Stasis01]

you think a single person in this community takes a single post of yours seriously? You are a loudmouth sycophant that lives in a retard bubble and you have zero self awareness.

Just by replying to you i've already lost this forumquest unfortunately. "never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". That shit holds true for almost every bit of forumquest interaction here.

my apologies to the community for posting something that made you add your worthless commentary to a mostly worthless threadc.

He psychoanalyzes everything fucker probably pumps gas, maybe he's a scientist or something but I bet he's a fucking retard faking it.

[lite]

Just by replying to you i've already lost this forumquest unfortunately. "never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". That shit holds true for almost every bit of forumquest interaction here

LMFAO, as I started to read your reply I am like ....Why is Dacuk responding to drakar... and then I read this Gem, lol. literally fell off my chair.

[Genedin]

i know man. the whole story of this server is he doesn't care. how do people not realize that? this is the hand we've been dealt - just gotta play it and make the best of it we can.

in a perfect world we'd have community leaders that could manage this on their own. imagine if you lite powered gongshow and some other random slosh or flowers moran got in teamspeak once a week, with the overall community as the number one goal for that meeting, and acted on in game and forum behavior from your members that was detrimental to the community and actively held them accountable and disciplined.

Thats what it would take. Unfortunately don't see that happening. but if we want the server to change, thats what would need to happen. not crying to rogean



It is really sad an amazing that a group of adults in a 200 population box, with a high level of commitment and tons of feels and cares cant collaborate in a mature and respectful way to make the game enjoyable for everyone.....or maybe the toxicity is why the people who stick around and play still stick around and play.

[Buhbuh]

a lot of crybaby bitching in this thread. be appreciative of the server we have. fucking babies.

If you don't like it, apply to be a guide and maybe if you are accepted you can make an impact. if you're not accepted it means you aren't qualified for their standards, so therefore have no leg to stand on to complain when you are playing on a free box where the owners are allowed to make whatever rules they want.

You think they need red? lol, if i was rogean i would shit this shithole down and just enjoy blue.

I don't think they need either server, but what's your point?

People wouldn't be playing here, let alone posting their ideas to hopefully make the server better, if they were ungrateful. This isn't even about their (GM) contributions, which are vast; it's about altering the way they already do things because of their limited resources.

If they set a very clear precedent for dummies that break the rules, do you think people will continue breaking them? No.

Not to get all intellectual about it, but it's like Foucault's Panopticon, where once the precedent has been set, the toxic part of the community will live on simply policing themselves for fear of retribution.

[Mac Drettj]

people wouldnt complain if they didnt care

[ricquire]

my biggest issue again is that 100's of people have applied and have been rejected because of the so called "lofty standards" yet we get people like Amelinda repeatedly.

+1.

I'm just some asshole who barely plays here anymore and had a short stint enjoying the server.

I applied to be a guide in 2010 before I played here, and again when I played here in 2014.

Professionally I have had a career in customer service and consulting, where I currently utilize and sell proprietary software developed around SQLdb.

Personally I played Everquest Live at an incredibly high level for a number of years in a top guild, and was involved in MQ2 development.

I was never contacted.

[Andis]

if they dont care

take away the rules

simple as that

[Dacuk]

+1.

I'm just some asshole who barely plays here anymore and had a short stint enjoying the server.

I applied to be a guide in 2010 before I played here, and again when I played here in 2014.

Professionally I have had a career in customer service and consulting, where I currently utilize and sell proprietary software developed around SQLdb.

Personally I played Everquest Live at an incredibly high level for a number of years in a top guild, and was involved in MQ2 development.

I was never contacted.

thats a legit point, you obviously seem qualified at first glance. however this doesn't surprise me. its been the MO of the server team since day one.

i wouldn't look to the server staff for the true long term solution to what people are crying about (and other people have cried about in the past, this shit goes in cycles, its just the faces that change). its gonna take a true change in the community.

[Fame]

http://images.rapgenius.com/6ec41ac1c5d75b5e43ac3c4108ab06fc.380x323x1.jpg

[ricquire]

thats a legit point, you obviously seem qualified at first glance. however this doesn't surprise me. its been the MO of the server team since day one.

i wouldn't look to the server staff for the true long term solution to what people are crying about (and other people have cried about in the past, this shit goes in cycles, its just the faces that change). its gonna take a true change in the community.

Definately.

I think the vast majority of guide apps are barely read TBH. It's so far off the radar for the key players and decision makers that this level of stagnation is the result.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Definately.

I think the vast majority of guide apps are barely read TBH. It's so far off the radar for the key players and decision makers that this level of stagnation is the result.

its an oldboy network.

if you participate in their twitch streams and suck their dick, u get to be a guide.

[Genedin]

its an oldboy network.

if you participate in their twitch streams and suck their dick, u get to be a guide.



http://i.imgur.com/aMJgVjQ.png

[baalzy]

It is really sad an amazing that a group of adults in a 200 population box, with a high level of commitment and tons of feels and cares cant collaborate in a mature and respectful way to make the game enjoyable for everyone.....or maybe the toxicity is why the people who stick around and play still stick around and play.

Part of the problem is there are a high number of people who only get enjoyment out of being toxic.

Anyone who'd delevel an epic warrior to 30 so they can troll MM is a prime example.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

http://i.imgur.com/aMJgVjQ.png

didnt get reference, had to google movie.

[Genedin]

Oh man. It's an awesome movie I would highly suggest watching it.

Skip the US remake, the Korean movie is a cult classic.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Oh man. It's an awesome movie I would highly suggest watching it.

Skip the US remake, the Korean movie is a cult classic.

dling now. maybe we can build a few bridges over this movie?

[Pudge]

you cant ban permanently here

box at steady 100-200

start banhammering and you get pop at 50

solid attempt tho

no, we can ban permanently. either ppl stop being shitheads (make their alt their new main) - or they get off the server in a mad huff and never play again. either way is a positive.

maybe after 6 months or a year of being permabanned and playing an alt and being "good" they could petition to have their old toon restored. sounds reasonable to me.


of course the infraction would have to be worth it. being a shithead (training, griefing newbs, repeated toxic posts/ooc) is the worst thing for this server, because it stifles population and growth. IMO, 2 boxing and even RMT aren't even as bad as just straight up being a dick to newbs/casuals. normal ppl (those with jobs, a family, social life, etc. - the normals you actually want on the server so it isnt a cesspool) come here and say ".... do i really want to be surrounded by assholes in what precious free time I have? should I invest in a future here?" after encountering enough dicks, the answer is no.

[Fame]

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/28/e3/f4/28e3f49c6cb44c94cba15131637f5728.jpg

Prohibition will work this time! I KNOW IT!

[Genedin]

dling now. maybe we can build a few bridges over this movie?

LOL

sure bro tell me how you like it

[Infectious]

If I was paid, I could put up with a lot of crap.

However ....

Hey its the guy who claimed he was gona fix pvp, was fucking praised by every person and didnt do shit. Ya its our fault... Give us uthgaard and not another fly by guy please!

[Pudge]

I... was involved in MQ2 development.

I was never contacted.

moral character compromised. next

[Pudge]

Hey its the guy who claimed he was gona fix pvp, was fucking praised by every person and didnt do shit. Ya its our fault... Give us uthgaard and not another fly by guy please!

? lots of haynar's changes going in next patch

[Colgate]

in a perfect world we'd have community leaders that could manage this on their own. imagine if you lite powered gongshow and some other random slosh or flowers moran got in teamspeak once a week, with the overall community as the number one goal for that meeting, and acted on in game and forum behavior from your members that was detrimental to the community and actively held them accountable and disciplined.

you know, i actually talked to lite the first week holocaust was formed, said we should do this, he said yeah man sure that sounds good every time, then on sunday before and pvp i followed up and said "hey dude, let's push the timers back a few hours so we can have some decent pvp over it, we have 7 people online atm" and he said "dude no, this is probably the best time to raid.."

so i tried again the next week, talked to powered, coat, and salem in teamspeak for like an hour one night about moving timers around, they all said "no why should we help out these faggots that were in nihilum, we have no sympathy for them, fuck them" so basically every single thing i requested was rejected, and azrael continued raiding at shitty times, i think the only thing that came out of it was CT was pushed to monday a few weeks later which would have happened naturally anyway

so then i tried making a post on the forums highlighting all the things we should do as leaders to make the server less retarded, more casual, more fun, etc., and got told that holocaust wasn't a guild they took seriously and that until we recruit and contest they give zero fucks about what we wanted

in theory what we have/had in mind was great, but most people simply just want to win everything and have no interest in cooperating

[ricquire]

moral character compromised. next

Funny because that was the one comment I received 4 years ago.

Funny because other members of the dev team were involved with MQ2/SEQ development.

[Infectious]

Hayner was like a father to the red server. Were going to the park, throw the ball in the back yard, teach you to ride a bike. But like bad dads do, never showed up. But you know.... Its the kids fault right???

[Littlegyno 10.0]

lots of unfulfilled promises, lots of weekends spent with mom and her new boyfriend cause daddy hayner never does anything for redchildren.

[Colgate]

can u guys not scare off the 1 person to actually get shit done for this server in the past 3 years

pls

[Littlegyno 10.0]

can u guys not scare off the 1 person to actually get shit done for this server in the past 3 years

pls

where's daddy? daddy we miss u, pls come and see ur children.

[heartbrand]

i think haynar did changes but it needs a rogean patch to happen

[Haynar]

lots of unfulfilled promises, lots of weekends spent with mom and her new boyfriend cause daddy hayner never does anything for redchildren.

Red headed step children sounds better.

[Pudge]

Funny because that was the one comment I received 4 years ago.

Funny because other members of the dev team were involved with MQ2/SEQ development.

Hrm maybe they'd take you for a dev position but not GM. But they don't like giving ppl access to the code really so.. maybe not.

[Potus]

I'm really pumped about Haynar's changes because it'll make a lot of new stuff happen with PvP.

[Haynar]

i think haynar did changes but it needs a rogean patch to happen

When the last patch for beta was done, I looked through all the change logs to come up with some highlights. Been doin a lot of changes. A very large effort was done on issues that cause item loss. The purpose of that was to free up the majority of time wasted by CSR. So they can deal with things that matter more to the masses.

Sometimes I try to see how many little fixes I can do, just to give Rogean a headach looking through all my change logs.

When life permits, coding is my de-stress tool.

H

[Genedin]

pras r99 dev

[Haynar]

SEQ/MQ2 development is a good baseline for learning to work with emu code.

Trust gets you the rest of the way.

Your in game activites are your resume, to what kind of person you are.

H

[Farzo]

Your in game activites are your resume, to what kind of person you are.

You can skip 95% of r99's pop then - I joke :)

Is there currently a new red GM in the pipeline?

[vinnidel]

anyone know why alecta (in my opinion did more for the server [ per unit time he was around ]) peaced out? guy was the only competent staff member i encountered on p99 and he gone :(.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

SEQ/MQ2 development is a good baseline for learning to work with emu code.

Trust gets you the rest of the way.

Your in game activites are your resume, to what kind of person you are.

H

daddy will u pls take us to the park? pls?

[Infectious]

Alecta was a noble gm. I hope hes lookin down on us from R99 Gm heaven. Rip..

[Stasis01]

Pretty sure I'd be the best GM.

[Infectious]

Pretty sure I'd be the best GM.

I agree. Now go freak out in the corner while the adults have a conversation.

[magician]

Prison guards are
Adults too hehe rl attacks lol haha

[Stasis01]

There's a lot of people doing a lot worse.

[Pudge]

anyone know why alecta (in my opinion did more for the server [ per unit time he was around ]) peaced out? guy was the only competent staff member i encountered on p99 and he gone :(.

think he just got too busy with RL for long enough (moved, got a new job i think?). did a lot of great things for the server. his contributions will live on, and I hope he gets back to enjoy the server sometime.

[Agatha]

this whole thread is retarded, i hate all of you.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Sirken tell the rest of the GMs to stay out of Red. You guys just bluebie the fuck out of it anyways. We dont need/want you. Thanks for creating the server tho.

[Pudge]

Sirken tell the rest of the GMs to stay out of Red. You guys just bluebie the fuck out of it anyways. We dont need/want you. Thanks for creating the server tho.

thread starts with a plea to GMs to come to server. pages upon pages of pleas, ppl saying "we need help.. not enough GMs, please help us!" GMs pay attention and respond..

ends with someone telling them to "stay the fuck out."

good job America

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

If you want to play with yard duties go play on Blue.

[Smedy]

i'd stop shitting on haynar if i were u bros, that shit ain't right

[Crazycloud]

Not sure whos shitting on haynar?

He puts in a ton of developer work behind the scenes and def happy hes around.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

this video is basically somebody trying to convince a guide to help red99:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vS4UWZ0nQ&feature=youtu.be

[Farzo]

this video is basically somebody trying to convince a guide to help red99:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vS4UWZ0nQ&feature=youtu.be


oh wow....serious? fuck.... that was fucked, I watched it from start to finish and gunna show my chick to weed her out =D

[Agatha]

hahaha

[Sheriff]

NOT JOKING
STOP MAKING RED STAFF QUIT (see i can caps lock too)

oh wait, i forgot. the red community isn't the problem tho right? i'm sure the staff just sits up on their ivory thrones, making poor decisions to ruin the server, while cackling gleefully about the r99 petition response times.

theres a reason every red staff member has quit or moved over to blue, and spoiler alert, it's not because of the staff.

we'll get a new red guide, and in 3-4 months, you'll have run him off too.

<3
Sirks

Pras. You guys need to get a job and quit being assholes. There is a whole world outside of your mom's basement. I'm having coffee on a work trip in Miami. It's glorius!

[Sheriff]

this video is basically somebody trying to convince a guide to help red99:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vS4UWZ0nQ&feature=youtu.be

"Everybody's got there price" Pras!

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

lol

[Gnomegrown]

insane video

nuts

no longer looking forward to lunch

[baalzy]

Video is a setup (guy knew what it was going into it, the using of ipecac and throwing up everywhere is real, he just knew he was going to be 'approached randomly' before they started filming). It's part of a series of 'failed' reality TV shows, but everything is staged.

One of them involves paying a guy to 'shit his pants' while on a blind date.

[mostbitter]

that shit the pants during the date one was the best the licking midget feet was p good 2