holo vs holo

[daasgoot]

whats with all the holo vs holo hate on the forums guise?

[Dacuk]

people can only take so much idiocy.

there are times when i read some of my guildees posts I cringe pretty hard (especially when Jibeknn was guilded). I imagine if my guild was 5x bigger than it currently is I wouldn't be able to hold back.

[Burgerking]

Don't know what you mean, none of the active members of holo seem to have any problems. Might sound like Bullshit but there isn't any drama in TS, and no one who is actually playing in the guild seems to have any problems with anyone else. If they do the certainly aren't voicing it publicly.

[Elspeth]

fags are the biggest fag haters of them all.

[Farzo]

Terrible thread.

Almost on lite's level of attempts to course chaos.

[Farzo]

Cause*

Stupid autocorrect jabdhdj

[Buhbuh]

Kergan and BK are tearing the guild apart is what's up.

[Kergan]

:)

[Genedin]

I hear you guys are not contesting this weekend

[Sektor]

I hear you guys are not contesting this weekend

[Malevz]

Kergan and BK are tearing the guild apart is what's up.

Oh yeah, guild is just in shambles.

[daasgoot]

Oh yeah, guild is just in shambles.

when are you going to drop all the shitties and douchebags and become a respectable guild? you have plenty of cool people to contest raid mobs without the shitty douchebags...

[Burgerking]

when are you going to drop all the shitties and douchebags and become a respectable guild? you have plenty of cool people to contest raid mobs without the shitty douchebags...

Yea we've done 30 epics in less than 2 weeks, taken all the high quality raid mobs for the past 2 weeks, but we should change things up because Azrael is trolling us on forums. Cmon you can do better than that.

[Eslade]

Yea we've done 30 epics in less than 2 weeks, taken all the high quality raid mobs for the past 2 weeks, but we should change things up because Azrael is trolling us on forums. Cmon you can do better than that.

Says the warm body.

[Burgerking]

Says the warm body.

Fucking priceless coming from you, do you have me on alert for when I post?

[daasgoot]

Yea we've done 30 epics in less than 2 weeks, taken all the high quality raid mobs for the past 2 weeks, but we should change things up because Azrael is trolling us on forums. Cmon you can do better than that.

what i said had nothing to do with what you have accomplished as a zerg. re-read and try again.

[Niedar]

my money is on holo in this fight

[Malevz]

when are you going to drop all the shitties and douchebags and become a respectable guild? you have plenty of cool people to contest raid mobs without the shitty douchebags...

I know this isn't an actual question, and transparent but...

There's a few people I didn't care for before I joined. Now I don't really dislike anyone. Everyone is working together to make the guild a fun place to be. 'Fun' seems to be lost in a lot of red99 guilds. We have casuals that play a few times here and there, neckbeards that log in for every raid. We have lots of joking around, and people are chill. Never seen someone lose their epic piece to an alt, or any arguments over loot.

I can't think of anyone I'd want to see kicked. Holocaust is just a fun place to be.

[Eslade]

Fucking priceless coming from you, do you have me on alert for when I post?

Yeah, every time that you post I get a text and an email. If I don't reply to those I get a phone call. My forumquest is strong. And in what way am I a warm body? I've been on raids where I was either the only cleric or one of 2-3.

[Burgerking]

Yeah, every time that you post I get a text and an email. If I don't reply to those I get a phone call. My forumquest is strong. And in what way am I a warm body? I've been on raids where I was either the only cleric or one of 2-3.

Yes being the only shaman on a ton of raids with over 35 people is clearly afk mode. Try harder.

[daasgoot]

Yes being the only shaman on a ton of raids with over 35 people is clearly afk mode. Try harder.

that sounds like pure hell, i feels bad for u.

i also play shaman. and i hate buffing.. maybe i picked the wrong class =D

[Burgerking]

that sounds like pure hell, i feels bad for u.

i also play shaman. and i hate buffing.. maybe i picked the wrong class =D

It's not so bad when there are other shammie's but when it's just me lol tell hell

[Eslade]

Oh no, I have to bind a key to/rtar and press alt1-8. It's so hard. When the cleric doesn't do his job the raid usually implodes.

[Kergan]

Yes being the only shaman on a ton of raids with over 35 people is clearly afk mode. Try harder.

Text triggers bro...I was afk most the time while I was buffing the entire raid.

[Burgerking]

Oh no, I have to bind a key to/rtar and press alt1-8. It's so hard. When the cleric doesn't do his job the raid usually implodes.

LOL bind keys for 40+ people and /rt works just as well, and it's not one buff it's 5 I have to give while swapping my pvp spells out constantly because at any minute we could be attacked. Then there's slowing and patch healing, maybe you should learn more about EQ before you say things that make you look clueless.

Don't know why you have this vendetta to try and troll every post I make but it's just making you look desperate, angry, and lonely.

[Mac Drettj]

Not enough room for "Gongshow", so we abbreviated:

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[Burgerking]

Text triggers bro...I was afk most the time while I was buffing the entire raid.

Can't be afk we could be attacked by Azrael at any second and if i have every slot filled with buffs, I deserve to die.

[Kergan]

You could probably afk during a PVP attack and be fine, not like shamans get focused until the end.

[Eslade]

LOL bind keys for 40+ people and /rt works just as well, and it's not one buff it's 5 I have to give while swapping my pvp spells out constantly because at any minute we could be attacked. Then there's slowing and patch healing, maybe you should learn more about EQ before you say things that make you look clueless.

Don't know why you have this vendetta to try and troll every post I make but it's just making you look desperate, angry, and lonely.

Why would you have to bind keys for 40 people. Not everybody needs shaman buffs. And what kergan said was right, shamans aren't all that important to mass pvp.

[Burgerking]

You could probably afk during a PVP attack and be fine, not like shamans get focused until the end.

Well i would never even consider that especially when malo and dots are crucial in mass pvp. Dot a melee and he can't stop to cure in mass pvp or he gets tagged by all our melee's.

My goal in is not to be a warm body in my guild but actually help turn the tides of any engagement, whether thru healing malo'ing or doting the enemy.

[Burgerking]

Why would you have to bind keys for 40 people. Not everybody needs shaman buffs. And what kergan said was right, shamans aren't all that important to mass pvp.

I prefer to keep every melee and healer fully buffed encase pvp occurs, and I believe every class has crucial role to play in pvp when played correctly each class add's to the synergy of the raid.

A tashed malo'd target is finished in mass pvp and it's great way to get rid of the enemies bards.

[Drakaris]

Holo has a good balance of players. The ex-blaze members have done an excellent job running small scale groups while the holo officers (gongshow, terp, wasp and Colgate) have done an excellent job co-ordinating the raids.

Would like to see more of their heavy hitters playing defence on their exp groups and putting a bit more pressure on azrael gank crews, but I guess it is happening to a degree.

[Mac Drettj]

Drak? U forget about durty burty?

[Drakaris]

Drak? U forget about durty burty?

I'm not in game enough during primetime as it coincides with work, so feel free to fill in any blanks pal ;)

[daasgoot]

holobro's u still croutons?

[Kergan]

Well i would never even consider that especially when malo and dots are crucial in mass pvp. Dot a melee and he can't stop to cure in mass pvp or he gets tagged by all our melee's.

My goal in is not to be a warm body in my guild but actually help turn the tides of any engagement, whether thru healing malo'ing or doting the enemy.

If you're casting any spells besides superior healing and annul magic (I'll concede torpor in very specific circumstances) in a mass PVP fight you're doing it wrong. I guess some canni's would be ok too.

[Drakaris]

If you're casting any spells besides superior healing and annul magic (I'll concede torpor in very specific circumstances) in a mass PVP fight you're doing it wrong. I guess some canni's would be ok too.

Necros should be using low mana dots on non-MA targets to whittle their health down, while using an /assist-pet-attack macro (where no trains are involved). Necros oom way too fast due to overpriced dots.

[Drakaris]

Necros should be using low mana dots on non-MA targets to whittle their health down, while using an /assist-pet-attack macro (where no trains are involved). Necros oom way too fast due to overpriced dots.

Missed the part on 'depends on what class you are playing'.

heh

[Burgerking]

If you're casting any spells besides superior healing and annul magic (I'll concede torpor in very specific circumstances) in a mass PVP fight you're doing it wrong. I guess some canni's would be ok too.

I'm sorry but I just generally disagree, in every skilled pvp fight I've ever been in it was important for a shaman to pair with an enc to malo/tash knock out high priority targets. A shaman is not a cleric and shouldn't be played like one. Everyone should be dispelling with pumice on called targets.

You cannot just drop torpors in mass pvp the snare effect will be the death of someone. Every spell is very situational and there is no blanket role for a shaman in pvp. You should be dispelling, healing when needed, maloing, hell even a cripple on a cleric is the end of them when snare/encumbered. While a well timed bane of nife can force a bard out of fight and drop an entire group without speed support.

A shaman is a highly versatile class, who's role can change in the blink of an eye pvp. Sure you can play them like a buff/heal bot but you'll never be a great shaman playing that way and are failing your guild by not using all the weapons at you're classes disposal.

[Malevz]

holobro's u still croutons?

We crootin!

[Kergan]

I'm sorry but I just generally disagree, in every skilled pvp fight I've ever been in it was important for a shaman to pair with an enc to malo/tash knock out high priority targets. A shaman is not a cleric and shouldn't be played like one. Everyone should be dispelling with pumice on called targets.

You cannot just drop torpors in mass pvp the snare effect will be the death of someone. Every spell is very situational and there is no blanket role for a shaman in pvp. You should be dispelling, healing when needed, maloing, hell even a cripple on a cleric is the end of them when snare/encumbered. While a well timed bane of nife can force a bard out of fight and drop an entire group without speed support.

A shaman is a highly versatile class, who's role can change in the blink of an eye pvp. Sure you can play them like a buff/heal bot but you'll never be a great shaman playing that way and are failing your guild by not using all the weapons at you're classes disposal.

I was pretty clear about torpor being very situational.

Every mana point you spend not on a heal or annul magic is a net loss in efficiency. There is no time to setup coordinated bullshit like tash/malo/cripple in a mass pvp fight. In smaller scale shit I'm 100% on board, an ench/shm combo can be fucking retarded with str debuffs and double MR debuffs.

Dropping a dot in mass pvp means you're either not focus dispelling the called target and relying on melees clicking pumice or casters who can actually nuke doing it (bad), or you're dotting a target who is about to be gibbed by people assisting (bad), or in a best case scenario you're dropping a dot on someone not focused who can click it off and you've wasted a huge chunk of mana (bad).

Malo is basically the same deal, either its hitting someone who is going down like a ton of bricks in about 2 seconds regardless or its hitting someone not taking damage at all. Same thing with cripple, etc. Add to that the first thing that is going to happen to someone getting focused is a bunch of dispells that are gonna get rid of your debuffs anyway.

Mass PVP is all about simplifying what you're doing so the higher percentage of people can be successful. Most people are pretty bad at this shit.

[Burgerking]

I was pretty clear about torpor being very situational.

Every mana point you spend not on a heal or annul magic is a net loss in efficiency. There is no time to setup coordinated bullshit like tash/malo/cripple in a mass pvp fight. In smaller scale shit I'm 100% on board, an ench/shm combo can be fucking retarded with str debuffs and double MR debuffs.

Dropping a dot in mass pvp means you're either not focus dispelling the called target and relying on melees clicking pumice or casters who can actually nuke doing it (bad), or you're dotting a target who is about to be gibbed by people assisting (bad), or in a best case scenario you're dropping a dot on someone not focused who can click it off and you've wasted a huge chunk of mana (bad).

Malo is basically the same deal, either its hitting someone who is going down like a ton of bricks in about 2 seconds regardless or its hitting someone not taking damage at all. Same thing with cripple, etc. Add to that the first thing that is going to happen to someone getting focused is a bunch of dispells that are gonna get rid of your debuffs anyway.

Mass PVP is all about simplifying what you're doing so the higher percentage of people can be successful. Most people are pretty bad at this shit.

I would never spare a slot for annul, pumice. I've never seen someone dispel dots in mass pvp the chances of them getting it off is slim to none with melee's chasing um, plus bane ticks so fast even when you cure it hurts.

The key to winning mass pvp is taking out there bards and healers and when there is 40 skellies it's impossible for everyone to call the right target let alone get on it. Mass pvp is gonna get messy there is no perfect strategy that can be used no set tactic that will work everytime and you have to change things up on the fly.

[Elspeth]

bane ticks the same as every other spell in the game, 6 sec per. cure pots take 2 sec per click, at 2 clicks to remove bane, depending on server tick, you could click off bane before it even ticks once. i agree in mass pvp stopping to cure might not be a great idea, but if you have a melee train on your ass a bane is the last thing you need to be worried about.

[Kergan]

Bards are the absolute worst class to waste a DoT on, as they can click cure pots while moving at warp speed.

Agree to disagree I guess. I would never even mem bane or pox in a mass pvp fight, I'd rather cast winters roar tbo as the odds are it ends up doing the same damage in less time for less mana.

And I've gone through 8 pumices and 3/4 of my mana bar doing nothing but dispelling in a single KC fight before, the one where Azrael got bent over in KC. Shamans aint about killshots dawg. Trying to do damage is a bad way to play your class in mass pvp.

[Burgerking]

Bards are the absolute worst class to waste a DoT on, as they can click cure pots while moving at warp speed.

Agree to disagree I guess. I would never even mem bane or pox in a mass pvp fight, I'd rather cast winters roar tbo as the odds are it ends up doing the same damage in less time for less mana.

And I've gone through 8 pumices and 3/4 of my mana bar doing nothing but dispelling in a single KC fight before, the one where Azrael got bent over in KC. Shamans aint about killshots dawg. Trying to do damage is a bad way to play your class in mass pvp.

As for dotting bards not really, they cant sing and cure at the same time if they go for the two pot clicks to remove nife they're dropping speed for group and someone's getting clipped.

But dotting is totally situational, for example:

Azrael ported up to sky to engage us, Krazy got low life and went for the ledge I dotted him. Dots ticked and he got YT'd while falling. If i stuck to one role he would have gotten away.

It's always better to kill your enemy then let them escape.

[daasgoot]

I generally buff the enemy in mass pvp to mind fuck them into getting killed.

to each there own.. every shaman has their own style.

[Kergan]

As for dotting bards not really, they cant sing and cure at the same time if they go for the two pot clicks to remove nife they're dropping speed for group and someone's getting clipped.

But dotting is totally situational, for example:

Azrael ported up to sky to engage us, Krazy got low life and went for the ledge I dotted him. Dots ticked and he got YT'd while falling. If i stuck to one role he would have gotten away.

It's always better to kill your enemy then let them escape.

I see 3 total YTs in that fight. How many Az, how many Holo? We're talkin mass pvp here.

[Burgerking]

I see 3 total YTs in that fight. How many Az, how many Holo? We're talkin mass pvp here.

I'm not trying to argue it was a mass fight, was just giving one example of when it's good to throw a dot. Sadly most of the AZ escaped YT due to making it off the ledge.

[krazyGlue]

I'm not trying to argue it was a mass fight, was just giving one example of when it's good to throw a dot. Sadly most of the AZ escaped YT due to making it off the ledge.

it was a 6 vrs 40ish. we ported up they were siting at the portal fully buffed. was fun tho

[Burgerking]

it was a 6 vrs 40ish. we ported up they were siting at the portal fully buffed. was fun tho

Yea I wasn't trying to say it was by any means a fair fight IDK why you guys ported up it wasn't a good tactical move. And I'm by no means bragging about the kill. Just giving an example of a good time for a shaman to dot. But I thought there was 2 groups of ya's

[Eslade]

Good time for a shaman to dot is 6v40, got it.

[Mac Drettj]

Prs bane of knife.

Rip krazy

[Smedy]

croutons doing what croutons do

work

[Buhbuh]

Since BK and Kergan debacle, it has only gotten worse. Gongshow won bee shoulders. Guild disbanding.

[Burgerking]

Good time for a shaman to dot is 6v40, got it.

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Since BK and Kergan debacle, it has only gotten worse. Gongshow won bee shoulders. Guild disbanding.

Been 4 Weight of the Gods and White Satin gloves handed out over the past two days, clearly everyone is pissed.

[Eslade]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/XZIBIT-LOL-Why-you-mad-thou.jpg



Been 4 Weight of the Gods and White Satin gloves handed out over the past two days, clearly everyone is pissed.

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[Rhuobhe]

I saw like 7 weight of the gods drop last night and numerous gloves. Need more warm bodies to join <Holocaust> so they can roll

[Burgerking]

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I think I figured out why you're mad, you spend all day defending a guild that won't even invite you. I guess I'd be pissed too.

But there is a solution...we crootin

[Eslade]

I think I figured out why you're mad, you spend all day defending a guild that won't even invite you. I guess I'd be pissed too.

But there is a solution...we crootin

Who says they wouldn't invite me? I don't have a regular play time ATM and I don't see how I can make a worthwhile contribution.
It's not so much that I defend azrael it's that I hate zergs. I was pretty neutral until the whole recruit everyone and start up Nihilum 2.0 thing took off. Sucks to see the server have a chance and have it taken away because of them pixels.

[Burgerking]

Who says they wouldn't invite me? I don't have a regular play time ATM and I don't see how I can make a worthwhile contribution.
It's not so much that I defend azrael it's that I hate zergs. I was pretty neutral until the whole recruit everyone and start up Nihilum 2.0 thing took off. Sucks to see the server have a chance and have it taken away because of them pixels.

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because we crootin

[Eslade]

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[Burgerking]

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Every time I make a post any thread you appear like an anger fairy. Your lvl of dedication to my thread dictates your lvl of rustle beyond any measure of deniability.

I was pretty neutral until the whole recruit everyone and start up Nihilum 2.0 thing took off. Sucks to see the server have a chance and have it taken away because of them pixels.

Yea that would be true if you TOTALLY ignore all the offers Colgate made to limit guild size. Azrael zerged up first, refused every offer Colgate made and told us to recruit. Now your pissed we did what they told us to do, forced us to do?

Usually when I see this level of irrational thought it's coming from a woman.

[Eslade]

Every time I make a post any thread you appear like an anger fairy. Your lvl of dedication to my thread dictates your lvl of rustle beyond any measure of deniability.



Yea that would be true if you TOTALLY ignore all the offers Colgate made to limit guild size. Azrael zerged up first, refused every offer Colgate made and told us to recruit. Now your pissed we did what they told us to do, forced us to do?

Usually when I see this level of irrational thought it's coming from a woman.

Azrael took ~8 people from Hokuten, most of which were azrael at some point. Azrael never had the amount of people at a raid on a good day that holocaust has on average.
Colgate was told to recruit and contest because he wanted to keep his guild at 20 max people and wanted azrael to kick a lot of long time members. So the obvious conclusion was to recruit everybody that will wear your tag a la Nihilum.

And I'm not angry, you're just an autistic faggot.

[derpcake]

Azrael took ~8 people from Hokuten, most of which were azrael at some point.

And the rest of hokuten was left without leadership, to disband a few days after. There were a lot of questions.

Amazingly so these people didn't jump into the azrael feeder guild 2.0, but instead went to the other side.

Who could have thought?

[Mac Drettj]

their jimmies so rustled they sat in fear for 4 days straight no sleep, threatened to move their guild bind to ours, and quit the box after some pvp

=}

[Eslade]

And the rest of hokuten was left without leadership, to disband a few days after. There were a lot of questions.

Amazingly so these people didn't jump into the azrael feeder guild 2.0, but instead went to the other side.

Who could have thought?

I agree that the Hokuten disbanding debacle was shit. The problem I have about this server is that people don't want to start their own guilds. Most people here just join the path of least resistance which causes zergs that have 60% of the server. I hope we all end up in the same guild so we can finally turn the PvP switch off.

[heartbrand]

There aren't enough people to sustain multiple guilds on red99. That is why blue copies / transfers / wipe / teams whatever, is desperately needed

[derpcake]

I agree that the Hokuten disbanding debacle was shit. The problem I have about this server is that people don't want to start their own guilds. Most people here just join the path of least resistance which causes zergs that have 60% of the server. I hope we all end up in the same guild so we can finally turn the PvP switch off.

People that are new / in rags are unlikely to start a guild.

They put faith in well geared and experienced people.

[daasgoot]

the recruit and contest argument is so weak.

Colgate wanted Azrael to drop some members.. Azrael didn't want to drop the members amd told colgate to just recruit some more people in order to contest.

how does "recruit and contest" mean recruit everyone you possibly can to zerg us and once again have a dominating zerg guild on the server?

there is a big difference between recruit as many as you need to get up to our numbers, and recruit everyone that will take a tag so you can swarm us.

[HippoNipple]

the recruit and contest argument is so weak.

Colgate wanted Azrael to drop some members.. Azrael didn't want to drop the members amd told colgate to just recruit some more people in order to contest.

how does "recruit and contest" mean recruit everyone you possibly can to zerg us and once again have a dominating zerg guild on the server?

there is a big difference between recruit as many as you need to get up to our numbers, and recruit everyone that will take a tag so you can swarm us.

I remember it being Azrael told all guilds to not recruit and then the next day they took 8 of the best geared players from the only other PvE guild on the server. Then they posted a recruitment thread saying they were open for recruitment to all hardcore players. Then they continued to kill dragons in off hours instead of letting the server fall into this casual environment they were pretending to promote.

Holocaust called them out on it and said fuck it, we can just recruit in 1 week and overthrow these scum bags and make them quit again like they do every time they are on top for a couple weeks.

You can't blame Holocaust, Azrael is terrible at running a guild and will never last more than a couple weeks on top.

[mostbitter]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.

[Burgerking]

the recruit and contest argument is so weak.

Colgate wanted Azrael to drop some members.. Azrael didn't want to drop the members amd told colgate to just recruit some more people in order to contest.

how does "recruit and contest" mean recruit everyone you possibly can to zerg us and once again have a dominating zerg guild on the server?

there is a big difference between recruit as many as you need to get up to our numbers, and recruit everyone that will take a tag so you can swarm us.

Colgate sat down at the table and offered to talk about reaching a conclusion as to guild sizes. Did anyone speak to him like and adult, make a comprise, or even entertain the idea? No. You all yelled recruit and contest like a bunch of 11 year old trolls.

Now your saying we missed sub article B under paragraph 8 that clearly outlined guild size?

This is seriously some funny shit.

[daasgoot]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.

that makes sense.. i can understand why holo would need more toons to contest based on the gear differential.

i know it seems like i am drinking the AZ koolaid but i really am not. The reason i have issues with holocaust is because how their zerg has affected me personally on the server. It has nothing to do with how it has affected azrael's pixels.

[daasgoot]

Colgate sat down at the table and offered to talk about reaching a conclusion as to guild sizes. Did anyone speak to him like and adult, make a comprise, or even entertain the idea? No. You all yelled recruit and contest like a bunch of 11 year old trolls.

Now your saying we missed sub article B under paragraph 8 that clearly outlined guild size?

This is seriously some funny shit.

i didn't say anything about a specific guild size being the correct or right guild size for this server.

all i said was recruit and contest to me does not mean recruit everyone on the fukin server, and if you don't join holo its gonna suck really bad for you.

[HippoNipple]

that makes sense.. i can understand why holo would need more toons to contest based on the gear differential.

i know it seems like i am drinking the AZ koolaid but i really am not. The reason i have issues with holocaust is because how their zerg has affected me personally on the server. It has nothing to do with how it has affected azrael's pixels.

If people won't level with you because you don't have a tag then you weren't friends with them. I leveled with people that weren't in Nihilum all the time and I didn't even know them prior. It isn't Colgate's fault your "friends" kill you on sight in this game.

[daasgoot]

If people won't level with you because you don't have a tag then you weren't friends with them. I leveled with people that weren't in Nihilum all the time and I didn't even know them prior. It isn't Colgate's fault your "friends" kill you on sight in this game.

naw, the people i am friends with don't kill me on site. but the number of actual friends i have in holocaust compared to the total number of people in holocause is like 5%.

[derpcake]

the recruit and contest argument is so weak.

Colgate wanted Azrael to drop some members.. Azrael didn't want to drop the members amd told colgate to just recruit some more people in order to contest.

how does "recruit and contest" mean recruit everyone you possibly can to zerg us and once again have a dominating zerg guild on the server?

there is a big difference between recruit as many as you need to get up to our numbers, and recruit everyone that will take a tag so you can swarm us.

Its ok if 25 poopsockers hoard all the pixels, cuz they have the best gear.

Its bad for the server if 125 poopsockers hoard all that same gear, cuz they 125.

Funny thread. Wuld read again.

[daasgoot]

Its ok if 25 poopsockers hoard all the pixels, cuz they have the best gear.

Its bad for the server if 125 poopsockers hoard all that same gear, cuz they 125.

Funny thread. Wuld read again.

i think you missed the point.

the point is that it is possiblet o recruit only the number of people you need to actually make it a COMPETITION. i never said any 1 guild should have full reign over all pixels in elf land.

[derpcake]

i think you missed the point.

the point is that it is possiblet o recruit only the number of people you need to actually make it a COMPETITION. i never said any 1 guild should have full reign over all pixels in elf land.

And you would be the one to set the limit for opposing guilds?

Nice.

[daasgoot]

And you would be the one to set the limit for opposing guilds?

Nice.

i didn't say anything about a specific guild size being the correct or right guild size for this server.

[Sektor]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.


Level 30s have no say on these forums.

[mostbitter]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

[mostbitter]

Level 30s have no say on these forums.

Rmt king pins have no credibility anywhere, except for azrael.

[daasgoot]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

[Burgerking]

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

Keep? We crootin brah, and we gonna need every member we have and more to start raiding in velious.

[daasgoot]

Keep? We crootin brah, and we gonna need every member we have and more to start raiding in velious.

I'm honestly curious...

Your plan is to keep recruiting members and dominate the server with a zerg?

say azrael stops attempting to contest all together. Will holo still continue to recruit?

based on what you are telling me (not sure is srs).. you are going to recruit until there is no competition at all.. using "velious around the corner"(not sure is srs again) and "recruit and contest" as an excuse?

what is the long term game plan? what is the goal? when you achieve your goal then what?

will it ever even be possible for another guild on red to recruit enough players to even contest holocausts numbers? you say you have low lvls in rags so you need more people. Well from what i hear those people are gaining levels and epics every day. So what happens when holocaust is 80-100 strong with geared high lvl toons?

all srs questions.

[Elspeth]

guilds are never able to sustain these numbers. eventually people will want good loot and hard epics sooner than later. so many people and personalities inevitably breed conflict. i have respect for colgate but when it comes to holding together a zerg like this, he doesnt have the dedication or PT that nizzar had. it may take a few months, but with all the new players here and continuing to come, it seems a third guild is on the horizon.

[mostbitter]

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

Yeah they should considering that 60 is likely to be a rather small size for a guild if/when velious releases. I am sure that instead of that you're going to see Azrael numbers dwindle back down and some people will leave and join holocaust. That is what happens when you have a guild that operates like nihilum (officer's/core first,mysterious loot decisions) that is missing the key ingredient which is success in killing raid targets.


Azrael isn't a fun place to be. Azrael is full of back stabbing benedict arnolds all out for themselves and they know it and have known it for years which is why you have a guild full of people with a mentality that recruiting is a bogus way to operate. Because they know that every new mouth is one that is taking pixels out of their own.

[Elspeth]

very amusing to hear max and agatha speak on Azrael as if they have a clue. Talking about bias opinions they formed nearly 2 years ago when they were in the guild. azrael tight-knit family guild full of real ass *****s who have been fighting the zerg since the dawn of norrath. keep hatin.

[mostbitter]

definition of tight knit family guild: stealing from the people who have helped you the most.

[daasgoot]

keep hatin.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/They_205975_2939088.jpg

[Burgerking]

I'm honestly curious...

Your plan is to keep recruiting members and dominate the server with a zerg?

say azrael stops attempting to contest all together. Will holo still continue to recruit?

based on what you are telling me (not sure is srs).. you are going to recruit until there is no competition at all.. using "velious around the corner"(not sure is srs again) and "recruit and contest" as an excuse?

what is the long term game plan? what is the goal? when you achieve your goal then what?

will it ever even be possible for another guild on red to recruit enough players to even contest holocausts numbers? you say you have low lvls in rags so you need more people. Well from what i hear those people are gaining levels and epics every day. So what happens when holocaust is 80-100 strong with geared high lvl toons?

all srs questions.

If you know anything about velious dragons then you would know that these numbers ARE needed to drop them. From everything I heard Velious is right around the corner only months away.

Azrael doesn't seem to be living in reality, it's like they believe Kunark will last forever. They are TOO selfish to take the time to gear out lower lvl's they would rather horde all the loot or RMT it. Who is gonna join a guild that won't reward them anything for the hard work and dedication they put into helping the guild.

We have taken no steps whatsoever to defeat Azrael, they do a fine enough job of that on they're own. We took player's in rags and formed an elite raiding guild that now dominates the server.

Why can't someone else do that? What's stopping them? I'll give you the answer it's a poor attitude. They want everything handed to them, and aren't willing to work for it.

[Eslade]

Yeah they should considering that 60 is likely to be a rather small size for a guild if/when velious releases. I am sure that instead of that you're going to see Azrael numbers dwindle back down and some people will leave and join holocaust. That is what happens when you have a guild that operates like nihilum (officer's/core first,mysterious loot decisions) that is missing the key ingredient which is success in killing raid targets.


Azrael isn't a fun place to be. Azrael is full of back stabbing benedict arnolds all out for themselves and they know it and have known it for years which is why you have a guild full of people with a mentality that recruiting is a bogus way to operate. Because they know that every new mouth is one that is taking pixels out of their own.

Lol, pretty sure if lite wanted to, he could have recruited most of Nihilum after they got disbanded. Nobody in Nihilum cared who they were guilded with as long as they had a spot at the pixel trough. Nice try at being righteous though.

Level 30 in vp gear, lol.

[Burgerking]

Lol, pretty sure if lite wanted to, he could have recruited most of Nihilum after they got disbanded. Nobody in Nihilum cared who they were guilded with as long as they had a spot at the pixel trough. Nice try at being righteous though.

Level 30 in vp gear, lol.

So now Lite doesn't care, did he not care when he stayed up 72 hours straight corpse camping us? Did he not care when spent two days raising faction in erudin to try and take our bind?

Seriously man buy a clue.

[Eslade]

So now Lite doesn't care, did he not care when he stayed up 72 hours straight corpse camping us? Did he not care when spent two days raising faction in erudin to try and take our bind?

Seriously man buy a clue.

Didn't say lite doesn't care. I'm saying that lite had a line that he didn't want to cross. That line being that he didn't want to guild a bunch of people that were basically warm bodies just for the sake of getting more pixels. He kept the crew that was already with azrael.

[Burgerking]

Didn't say lite doesn't care. I'm saying that lite had a line that he didn't want to cross. That line being that he didn't want to guild a bunch of people that were basically warm bodies just for the sake of getting more pixels. He kept the crew that was already with azrael.

Like Stasis and North?

The reason why there isn't more Ex-Nihilum in Azrael is because they didn't app. But keep drinking that cool-aid.

[Elspeth]

the two people you can point to who have both been AZ for over a year.

[Colgate]

northwest got kicked from nihilum like 8 months ago and joined azrael

def ain't over a year

burgerking is right though, the only reason there aren't more ex-nihilum than there already are is because they didn't try to join azrael

but they also have sickpuppy, madude, oppressor, genedin, etc. all ex-nihilum people

[Burgerking]

northwest got kicked from nihilum like 8 months ago and joined azrael

def ain't over a year

burgerking is right though, the only reason there aren't more ex-nihilum than there already are is because they didn't try to join azrael

but they also have sickpuppy, madude, oppressor, genedin, etc. all ex-nihilum people

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/osh.gif

[Elspeth]

the only player who was even considered for recruitment when nilly1.0 disbanded was deka.

[Pikrib]

Rmt king pins have no credibility anywhere, except for azrael.

^was in Nihilum run by RMT king pin.

[Burgerking]

the only player who was even considered for recruitment when nilly1.0 disbanded was deka.

Does it matter if they are considered? When they don't want to join?

[Elspeth]

who are you?

[HippoNipple]

the only player who was even considered for recruitment when nilly1.0 disbanded was deka.

You guys were openly recruiting all players that were "hardcore." Who applied that got shot down besides Twainz? How did that end up?

[Elspeth]

serious or dumb?

[Pikrib]

northwest got kicked from nihilum like 8 months ago and joined azrael

def ain't over a year

burgerking is right though, the only reason there aren't more ex-nihilum than there already are is because they didn't try to join azrael

but they also have sickpuppy, madude, oppressor, genedin, etc. all ex-nihilum people

I threw up in my mouth a little when you agreed with Syft. Lite got a ton of x-nihilum peeps askin for invite after Nihi broke up and he told them all no.

Genedin joined to be a spy that really doesn't count.

[Colgate]

the only player who was even considered for recruitment when nilly1.0 disbanded was deka.

luv seein dat holocaust tag after dekadenz's name

8)

[Burgerking]

who are you?

I'm the King, also was Sojinn

[HippoNipple]

I threw up in my mouth a little when you agreed with Syft. Lite got a ton of x-nihilum peeps askin for invite after Nihi broke up and he told them all no.

Genedin joined to be a spy that really doesn't count.

There is no doubt Lite tried to keep his guild as small as he could while still having 2x the numbers of the next competing guild. He campaigned hard for other guilds to stay small. He was letting in people with hardcore play times and when confronted about being a hypocrite he started the recruit and contest campaign.

Fact is Azrael has a short term game plan and will never sustain a healthy guild. A bunch of greedy big ego players jump in to play for a bit when there is no competition and then they fade away as soon as there is a guild trying to build a long term guild.

If there is going to be competitive small guilds Azrael can't be a part of the the equation. If they lose a fight they log off for a couple months until they can raid uncontested again. Arguing why other guilds aren't more like Azrael is a waste of time.

[Eslade]

I'm the King, also was Sojinn along with 4 other people.

Ftfy

[Burgerking]

Ftfy

Almost every member of Circle of Tyrants has the account info of every other member. So on almost every toon in CoT they're are kills by some other member. I've racked up a ton of kills on other members of CoT, in the end it all works out.

I've killed people on Brutality, Beefstew, Severin, Bigkev etc. Just like they have killed people on Sojinn.

[Pikrib]

I am Syft

ftfy

[Burgerking]

ftfy

I actually never logged on Syft not worth hearing the shit storm you'd get if you died on his character, I did play his bard from time to time.

[Elspeth]

luv seein dat Nihilum tag after dekadenz's name

8)

[Eslade]

http://i.imgur.com/bbCiNWbh.jpg

[Gnomegrown]

Almost every member of Circle of Tyrants has the account info of every other member. So on almost every toon in CoT they're are kills by some other member. I've racked up a ton of kills on other members of CoT, in the end it all works out.

I've killed people on Brutality, Beefstew, Severin, Bigkev etc. Just like they have killed people on Sojinn.

Circle of tyrants are all weak ass little pvp wanna be gankers, ive personally never had a fair fight with any of them because if its fair they simply wont fight.

if your on a mob that's different tho.

Oh, and they will wait for you to pull before they attack.

[Mac Drettj]

azrael recruited twainz






loooooooooooooooooooool

[Elspeth]

twainz was run off the server (again). not sure where your getting your infos. PS its time to let go of all the twainz hate, i know he smashed your wife and all, but forgive and forget, its time.

[Malevz]

Too many Holocaust deniers in this thread.

[Colgate]

twainz ran off the server because he was allowed to pvp with you guys at the KC fight?

lol?

[Elspeth]

just not allowed in TS or allowed to be tagged. i personally think twainz is a pal and atleast a decent player. but hatred runs deep in these lands.

[Colgate]

tbh wouldn't even matter if you recruited twainz, i think i tag on average 5 new players daily

soon enough we'll be bringing 100 people to every raid

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by daasgoot View Post
i didn't say anything about a specific guild size being the correct or right guild size for this server.

So praise holocaust and its mighty overlords.

[Elspeth]

the fact that you think this is boast-worthy makes me really question if this is really you... or if Nizzar purchased your log-in and forums accounts.

[Deathwed]

It's not so bad when there are other shammie's but when it's just me lol tell hell

ohh man i know the feeling, and people think u have unlimited mana buff tank buff melee hp buff that caster torpor the necro zomg

[Colgate]

it's me

it's the same old true white knight resistance fighter me

[Elspeth]

brings 80 to a trak raid, calls himself the resistance. get your head checked bro, im really starting to worry about you.

[Mac Drettj]

How does holocaust personally effect your seafury gains?

Never seen you raid or pop until Nihil um got disbanded. Haven't seen you since holo won all top tier mobs.

[Quiet]

100 people raids are gonna be sweeeeet. Will be able to do 50 people split raids. Aww yiss.

[Elspeth]

has nothing to do with my gains. i have multiple AONs, multiple Riles and over 600K banked. its about the integrity of former pals and the server not becoming what it was.

[Mac Drettj]

Recruit and contest if that's how you feel

[Quiet]

Recruit and contest if that's how you feel

[Agatha]

has nothing to do with my gains. i have multiple AONs, multiple Riles and over 600K banked. its about the integrity of former pals and the server not becoming what it was.

its about my elf rep see, u guys just don't get it. i have to stay true to my elf friends or else my elf friends wont like me, and if we add any elf friends to our current elf friends that just wont work cause my elf friends will be mad...



elf friends

[Colgate]

has nothing to do with my gains. i have multiple AONs, multiple Riles and over 600K banked. its about the integrity of former pals and the server not becoming what it was.

ya i mean i tried several times to do that exact thing and got told to fuck off every time so the problem wasn't entirely nihilum

azrael's gotta go too

[Stasis01]

So you'll be petitioning heavily?

[Elspeth]

funny how agatha would always talk about how many friends he had in nilly and azrael at nauseam and now i doubt theres a single player on the server who would own up to even finding him tolerable.

[Quiet]

Never seen Elspeth pvp, rarely see him on raids, never @ contesting. Not positive hes a real person and might just be another Lite, Alter-ego.

http://i.imgur.com/I20zqiH.jpg

[Burgerking]

Circle of tyrants are all weak ass little pvp wanna be gankers, ive personally never had a fair fight with any of them because if its fair they simply wont fight.

if your on a mob that's different tho.

Oh, and they will wait for you to pull before they attack.

so you we're confused by the word Tyrant in the guild name if you were pulling with cot in the zone you deserved to be ganked next time use /who.

[Elspeth]

gratz quite on having the most ironic name in the history of EQ. his constant nagging and bitching in TS has earned him the most annoying person on the box 2 years running. also, i am at every raid and every pvp event. believe it or not there is a plethora of characters i have to play.

[vinnidel]

ya i mean i tried several times to do that exact thing and got told to fuck off every time so the problem wasn't entirely nihilum

azrael's gotta go too

this would have alot more credibility if you weren't currently zerging harder than ever before and teaming with tons of the ex-nihi that contributed to making the server boring for 2+ years.

imo you love flexing nuts/getting attention (yep, just like lite) too much to do anything beneficial for the server.

[Colgate]

feels real goog raiding with 60+ people, never have to rely on someone like lite boxing multiple characters, never have to make people play alts they don't wanna play

[Quiet]

Yeah... that quite guy, hes awful. What a zadouche.

[Colgate]

don't get me wrong, it's not all of azrael making it bad, just like it wasn't all of nihilum making it bad

it's just people like lite and nizzar that are unwilling to play nice that need to GO

[Elspeth]

also thinking that under any circumstance azrael will "go" is absurd. Lite the only person on box with a deeper sickness than Nizzar. Colgate has a history of getting bored pretty fast, maybe putting a month or two of solid PT together at a time. where-as Lite has a history of being an almost constant underdog which only seems to motivate him more. Lite has been far more enthusiastic and generally happy since Nilly started zerging again and to imply youll be able to greif him off the server shows a real lack of understanding of what kind of sickos you are dealing with.

[Colgate]

tldr

[Quiet]

if Colgate puts in a solid month or 2 and builds a 150 person active guild, then leaves. We will just have to raid with 149.

[Mac Drettj]

eslpeth just let the emotions flow

[Colgate]

looking at our batphone we have 169 unique people on it, and i'm sure we've missed a dozen or two at least

deal w/ it

8)

[Buhbuh]

I'm enjoying that all the hatred for the server's present state is placed on Colgate, Gongshow and Terp.

It's goog being behind the curtain.

[Quiet]

Fine we will just raid with 168 then.

[Elspeth]

its not emotion, its simple observation and elaboration.

[Nirgon]

Lite the only person on box with a deeper sickness than Nizzar.

need to GO

That's what I got out of 15 pages

[vinnidel]

don't get me wrong, it's not all of azrael making it bad, just like it wasn't all of nihilum making it bad

it's just people like lite and nizzar that are unwilling to play nice that need to GO

not claiming that lite is/was/isn't good for the server, but it's pretty clear to me by now you like stirring up drama more than you actually want anything on the box improved. you just like focusing on a single person (nizzar in past, lite now) and basically "1v1" via forumquest out of game/zerging in game.

that's fine if that's how you get your rocks off but annoying imo to claim that you want to improve the box if all you're after is e-drama. (but hey, ur prolly just trollin' us all).

[Elspeth]

^ fair-weather fighter extraordinaire.

[Quiet]

^ no weather fighter extraordinaire

[Colgate]

(but hey, ur prolly just trollin' us all).

8)

[Mac Drettj]

elspeth calling twerk fairweather

[Elspeth]

aimed at Nirgon. twerk that *****.

[Mac Drettj]

technically u and twerk are both fairweather

[Elspeth]

good one.

[Colgate]

nirgon started playing as soon as holocaust was formed, back before we were winning

?

[Elspeth]

so yes, took no part in fighting and defeating Nilly1.0 over the last 18 months+, thanks for the confirmation.

[Mac Drettj]

technically he did

but ur fairweather so u dont know that

also azrael had nothng to do with nihilum defeat, azrael was nihilumes #1 recruitment tool

[Elspeth]

another zinger by retti.

[Colgate]

why would it matter of nirgon played when nihilum played(he did actually) when azrael had basically nothing to do with the downfall of nihilum?

[Mac Drettj]

another zinger by retti.

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr06/19/18/anigif_enhanced-buzz-3137-1384902492-5.gif

[Malevz]

Lots of comparisons of Nihilum to Holocaust. People realize Nihilum is gone right? The only thing Nihilum and Holocaust have in common really is winning.

[Elspeth]

The sektor video was orchestrated by Azrael top brass. please see Derubel's post citing the sektor vid as the primary reason for Nizzar being banned and Nilly1.0 being disbanded. your welcome p99 red.

[Mac Drettj]

oh you mean Sektors (not Azrael) got Nizzar suspended for rmting?

LOL grats on that big accomplishment as #3 guild for 2 years

[Elspeth]

Lots of comparisons of Nihilum to Holocaust. People realize Nihilum is gone right? The only thing Nihilum and Holocaust have in common really is winning.

Vaporize, Tune, Strydur, etc... fighting and raiding alongside "holocaust" every sunday. nice try though.

[Eslade]

Lots of comparisons of Nihilum to Holocaust. People realize Nihilum is gone right? The only thing Nihilum and Holocaust have in common really is it's members and recruiting policy.

Ftfy.
Sorry malevs :(

[vinnidel]

technically u and twerk are both fairweather

prolly dumb to even acknowledge rettiwalk but

wat lol?

[Elspeth]

yeah, dude is approaching quiet levels of irrelevance.

[Colgate]

The sektor video was orchestrated by Azrael top brass. please see Derubel's post citing the sektor vid as the primary reason for Nizzar being banned and Nilly1.0 being disbanded. your welcome p99 red.

so sektor's rule violations got nihilum disbanded

which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that azrael "fought" nihilum for X amount of time

so why do you talk about it like it was some great feat by azrael? no one cares dawg

looks like all along azrael wanted to be what nihilum was but they were unwilling to put forth the same amount of effort

[Elspeth]

looks like all along azrael wanted to be what nihilum was but they were unwilling to put forth the same amount of effort

were more hypocritical words ever spoken? i think not.

[Colgate]

i've never not claimed to be someone who wants to cleanse the server of SCUM

i did that in azrael, and i do that now in holocaust

[Elspeth]

what your failing to realize is youve become said scum. You run Nilly, you are Nizzar, the only difference is your delusions.

[Colgate]

can you define nihilum? cause holocaust has 0 people tagged who were part of the nihilum core

is nihilum raiding with far more people than the opposing guild? azrael did this numerous times to try and win, they did it as soon as nihilum disbanded

is nihilum raiding uncontested? azrael did this up until holocaust recruited and contested cause we knew the timers

is nihilum doing things like training and corpse camping to try and demoralize people so that you win? azrael does this regularly

is nihilum continuing to raid even though you don't need the gear? holocaust is no where close to this

is nihilum having a developer in your guild? holocaust doesn't have a developer in our guild

is nihilum breaking rules using any means necessary to win? azrael trains regularly as stated above, lite is the most obvious 2boxer to touch the server, etc.

is nihilum refusing to play nice and cooperate with other guilds? i tried doing this many times and got rejected every single time

etc.

etc.

8)

[Mac Drettj]

is nihilum raiding uncontested? azrael did this up until holocaust recruited and contested cause we knew the timers

8)

my fav part

[Malevz]

Vaporize, Tune, Strydur, etc... fighting and raiding alongside "holocaust" every sunday. nice try though.

Gotcha. That would make Azrael:

Eternal Light 2.0
Fair Fighters 2.0
Antartica the long name 2.0
Dozen random unguilded 2.0
Prophets of Slosh 2.0

Probably some others I missed here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mFLOzJz0a14/UV4srBj9WWI/AAAAAAAADD4/rfsPFSe8dE4/s1600/Grasping+at+Straws.jpg

[Agatha]

noone wants to fight anyone who is down right nasty... and azrael is/was being nasty. i ate 5 bans alone from azrael petitions, shits not funny.

i say was cause you guys are pretty much defunkt now.

[heartbrand]

The sektor video was orchestrated by Azrael top brass. please see Derubel's post citing the sektor vid as the primary reason for Nizzar being banned and Nilly1.0 being disbanded. your welcome p99 red.

Actually that video just let to nizzar account 1 being banned and him being removed as leader. The guild disband and perma on nizzar was due to evidence I provided to derubael that he was violating the terms of his probation.

[heartbrand]

so yes, took no part in fighting and defeating Nilly1.0 over the last 18 months+, thanks for the confirmation.

Nirgon was dropping ice comets on nilly members before u and ur howling stones pve farming crew ever joined box FYI

[heartbrand]

funny how agatha would always talk about how many friends he had in nilly and azrael at nauseam and now i doubt theres a single player on the server who would own up to even finding him tolerable.

I like agatha despite his bergers

[heartbrand]

very amusing to hear max and agatha speak on Azrael as if they have a clue. Talking about bias opinions they formed nearly 2 years ago when they were in the guild. azrael tight-knit family guild full of real ass *****s who have been fighting the zerg since the dawn of norrath. keep hatin.

Azrael isn't two years old. Kunark was released two years ago and there was only red dawn and nihilum. The vast majority of azrael joined here about a year ago. Also tons of new names in azrael such as biggy, sektors, brobb, hokuten crew, mordeath, Casey etc who all weren't part of your so called og crew. Thanks and peace.

[daasgoot]

Azrael isn't two years old. Kunark was released two years ago and there was only red dawn and nihilum. The vast majority of azrael joined here about a year ago. Also tons of new names in azrael such as biggy, sektors, brobb, hokuten crew, mordeath, Casey etc who all weren't part of your so called og crew. Thanks and peace.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-J4M7Sl9WJmI/Us2s_YLqEbI/AAAAAAAABlA/255s-0CdmVo/s1600/Fuck-you-half-baked.gif

[Buhbuh]

Trying to reason with people from Azrael is seriously like trying to prove to a child why what they say doesn't make sense.

[Mac Drettj]

Azrael isn't two years old. Kunark was released two years ago and there was only red dawn and nihilum. The vast majority of azrael joined here about a year ago. Also tons of new names in azrael such as biggy, sektors, brobb, hokuten crew, mordeath, Casey etc who all weren't part of your so called og crew. Thanks and peace.

Elspeth was also just barely leveling on the server when dentists was formed and everyone thought he was just a nilly alt cus never been seen before/bad

[heartbrand]

Server ain't even three years old and the way azrael talks you'd think they were a day one guild fighting lovely in lavastorm or somethin

[mostbitter]

yeah i love these new fish in azrael telling me all about how shit was back in the day. These youngins don't even know who the vets of this shit box are.

[Nirgon]

Lol o man

[daasgoot]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Fuck+You+Kid.+Since+I+m+retarded+and+all+when+it_a 58950_3609666.gif

[HippoNipple]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Fuck+You+Kid.+Since+I+m+retarded+and+all+when+it_a 58950_3609666.gif

Lol this is a pretty good summary of the last 2 pages.

[Elspeth]

you are zerging your way out of healthy competition because Lite bruised your fragile e-ego. you are fighting along side as well as raiding with many "God's Work". The tags are irrelevant. This is like saying salem and friends arent AZ because they wear a different tag.

[HippoNipple]

you are zerging your way out of healthy competition because Lite bruised your fragile e-ego. you are fighting along side as well as raiding with many "God's Work". The tags are irrelevant. This is like saying salem and friends arent AZ because they wear a different tag.

There was never any chance for competition for Lite and his crew. They either win or quit. Who cares if they are happy with what other guilds are doing, it is irrelevant.

[Elspeth]

also checkraise trying to steal sektor's glory. guy has a BIS slot war and is still one of the worst PVPers on the box. every mass pvp event hes ever taken part in was with his OT hammer equipped. "all i do is press autoattack", indeed.

[Mac Drettj]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Fuck+You+Kid.+Since+I+m+retarded+and+all+when+it_a 58950_3609666.gif

lil baby elspeth tryin to hang w the big boys

get ta steppin

[Elspeth]

big boys??? you mean all these lil zerglings running around norrath gettin texted ever 2 minutes? naw *****, #WEDEMBOYZ

[Burgerking]

you are zerging your way out of healthy competition because Lite bruised your fragile e-ego. you are fighting along side as well as raiding with many "God's Work". The tags are irrelevant. This is like saying salem and friends arent AZ because they wear a different tag.

Which one is it?

Because you guys say your not a zerg because your numerous allies don't count, but then you guys say we are Nihilum because we're allied with God Works. I'm just trying to get some continuity here. Because Azrael always seems exempt when they do the exact same things they accuse others of.

Are you different than your allies or all one big force allied under different tags?

[Crazycloud]

you are zerging your way out of healthy competition because Lite bruised your fragile e-ego. you are fighting along side as well as raiding with many "God's Work". The tags are irrelevant. This is like saying salem and friends arent AZ because they wear a different tag.


Healthy competition = a guild full of VP gear vs rags. Fuck outta here. When i restarted back on here i saw groups of AZ logging in to kill 1-2 people in KC was funny. These guys talk about zerg and shit but do it themselves.

[Not Salem]

I want nothing more then fair fights, I wish everything could just be resolved in the arena with a fair set of rules and people involved

[Crazycloud]

i heard you dodged that arena match yesterday bro

[Colgate]

also checkraise trying to steal sektor's glory. guy has a BIS slot war and is still one of the worst PVPers on the box. every mass pvp event hes ever taken part in was with his OT hammer equipped. "all i do is press autoattack", indeed.

sektor got nizzar's characters banned for RMTing with him

heartbrand, rettiwalk, and a few other members of nihilum got him blacklisted and the entire guild disbanded

regardless, azrael had NOTHING to do with it; it didn't matter how much or how long we tried, won a little bit, and lost a lot

i'd love to try and take credit for it but my contribution was pretty much just making fun of derubael on the forums until he finally decided to bite and look into nizzar still leading the guild

[Kergan]

I want nothing more then fair fights, I wish everything could just be resolved in the arena with a fair set of rules and people involved

http://geekhardshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Spartacus-Gods-pic.jpg

[Buhbuh]

Fuck yeah. Gannicus was fyuckin siiiilllllck

[Kergan]

Gannicus vs Spartacus, who wins?

[Mac Drettj]

Gannicus vs Spartacus, who wins?

Holocaust

[Kergan]

Holocaust

Nope, answer was Gannicus.

[Burgerking]

Nope, answer was Gannicus.

Andy Whitfield spartacus would have beat his ass, new spartacus was a chump.

[daasgoot]

damn.. holocaust disappointment today... was killed multiple times by mutiple different holo people while on LNS.. blatantly and intentionally breaking server rules..

[Colgate]

u got prof?

this isn't azrael; if i see a member intentionally breaking rules dat shit won't fly u no?

[daasgoot]

u got prof?

this isn't azrael; if i see a member intentionally breaking rules dat shit won't fly u no?

only proof i have is the other 80-100 people on the server that witnessed me call LNS 20 times and saw the continuous YT.

kammbo can confirm skooba killed me like 4 times while under LNS.

all highlighted kills below were after calling LNS. i called it alot of times.


http://i.imgur.com/6k4NbEC.png

[Elspeth]

guild should be disbanded, officers banned.

[Eslade]

Obvious attempt at griefing someone off the server.

[mostbitter]

it was rule lawyering to be a turd that's for sure

[Super Hater]

Obvious attempt at griefing someone off the server.

Good morning kidney!

[daasgoot]

holocaust becoming that in which it was trying to protect the server against...

can't say im suprised.

[Eslade]

Good morning kidney!

I can honestly say that I never tried to get land whale pussy from an elf sim MySpace.

/shrug

[Kergan]

Andy Whitfield spartacus would have beat his ass, new spartacus was a chump.

I think he got better as it went on. Honestly I liked the show a little better in season 1 and season 1.5, when it was all about the arena. Andy Whitfield definitely the better Spartacus though.