A lot of you just got your accounts banned...

[Derubael]

For doing the same old thing we've told you not to do a hundred times.

Stop sharing your account information. When I go to check logins so I can remove an upstart RMT seller and see that he's logged into nearly 100 different accounts, my head explodes.

Those are all banned right now. I'll be camping the petition forum for the next hour or two clearing innocent accounts. After that, you'll need to wait until a guide can review your claim if your eligible for that kind of review. In many cases, I have to do it personally because it requires a database look-up, in which case you'll need to wait until I'm available and it's already a busy week.

Keep your account info to yourselves. It's not worth it.

~deru

[zanderklocke]

Awesome. Ha.

[teija]

Im guessing this guy is from one of the "bigger" guilds as they LOVE to share there account info's

[Rec]

I hope they're going to be ok

[Gimp]

The fact that people keep doing this is a bit ridiculous, considering every login is easily tracked.

[yevea]

pras deru

[Barkingturtle]

Not sure why anyone would stop sharing accounts when the noble, volunteer Staff takes the time to clear the "innocents". Just ban 'em all and turn the page, imo.

[khanable]

pras

[quido]

ban em good

[quido]

Also, name and shame please!

How are we supposed to know to not associate with these people when we're always left in the dark?

[khanable]

Also, name and shame please!

[Derubael]

Y'all will find out soon enough. Hard to keep a secret around here for long.

Not sure why anyone would stop sharing accounts when the noble, volunteer Staff takes the time to clear the "innocents". Just ban 'em all and turn the page, imo

I would love to, but the only reason I do the blanket bans in the first place is to ensure I get all the storage accounts without having to pick through a bunch of logins in the frontend. I don't really want to wipe clean thousands of hours of work put in by legit players who fucked up and let someone login to their account once.

[Pheer]

Y'all will find out soon enough. Hard to keep a secret around here for long.

its my drama, and i need it NOW!

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7jY_ZP6gQiQ/0.jpg

[khanable]

Y'all will find out soon enough. Hard to keep a secret around here for long.

Word on the street is that <Tinfoil Hats> has been dissolved and their leadership "banned". Looks like we need an EC Tunnel class system.

Get on it folks.

[Derubael]

Word on the street is that <Tinfoil Hats> has been dissolved and their leadership "banned". Looks like we need an EC Tunnel class system.

Get on it folks.

ID: 536
Guild Name: Tinfoil Hat
Members: 31
Database Leader: Derubael
MOTD: Flipmule: My body is ready.

Rumors false, tinfoil hat still cleanest whistle in the land.

[quido]

Word on the street is that <Tinfoil Hats> has been dissolved and their leadership "banned".

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/plumpers.jpg

BULLSHIT

[quido]

I got beat to it! Pras

[Vexenu]

Saw a level 18 Dwarf Paladin the other day in Unrest in over 500k of gear easy, including CoF and full Deepwater (BP and Greaves included).

But no Fungi.

And no Dwarven Plate cultural armor.

So basically the worst yet most expensive Paladin twink ever. An impossibly bad gear choice for any player experienced enough on the server to blow that kind of plat (on a fucking Paladin twink no less).

Obvious RMT was obvious.

Good night, sweet prince! The ghouls of Unrest can now rest easily, safe from you and your unclickable, statless Deepwater armor with dollar bills spilling out the joints.

[khanable]

obvious conspiracy going on here

Plumpers leader?
Deru leader?

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

[quido]

Saw a level 18 Dwarf Paladin the other day in Unrest in over 500k of gear easy, including CoF and full Deepwater (BP and Greaves included).

But no Fungi.

And no Dwarven Plate cultural armor.

So basically the worst yet most expensive Paladin twink ever. An impossibly bad gear choice for any player experienced enough on the server to blow that kind of plat (on a fucking Paladin twink no less).

Obvious RMT was obvious.

Good night, sweet prince! The ghouls of Unrest can now rest easily, safe from you and your unclickable, statless Deepwater armor with dollar bills spilling out the joints.

You know a lot of people roll twinks here right? And not all of them can afford every single item they want or should have?

[Vexenu]

You know a lot of people roll twinks here right? And not all of them can afford every single item they want or should have?

Of course. The point was that no one who has 500k to blow on a Paladin twink spends that kind of money and doesn't buy a Fungi.

It would be like building a $20 million custom mansion and forgetting to put in the bathrooms.

[arsenalpow]

So was culprit the head of this RMT hydra this time?

[nicemace]

hmmm this is concerning. im still at work so will need to check when i get home. i share my account with 2 other people who i trust implicitly (family friends of 30+ years who share things much more valuable than a couple of game account lol).... if i lost anything (which i wouldnt), i wouldnt bother CSR's of the server with it..... am i going to be heading home to banned accounts? zzz was looking forward to playing tonight.


/edit/ actually nevermind that will learn me for rush reading topics while meant to be doing work. only accounts associated to RMTer

[Crawdad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg

[zanderklocke]

So was culprit the head of this RMT hydra this time?

Nah he only sells valuable items to vendors.

EDIT: Ooops guess I was wrong.

[Vharvest]

PRAS DERUBAEL

Everyone from Holocaust keeps accusing me of being Jibeknn, so when I log in to tonight and am in fact NOT banned, you're basically proving that I'm not a spy.

Deru such a good GM that he helps without even knowing it, <3

[mr_jon3s]

Please keep the other accounts that he loged on to banned for a month atleast, it will give guilds a chance to see who doesn't logon for a month.
people that get banned almost never admits that they got banned for RMT (only seen one so far) they claimed they got banned for some other reason and then start a new toon and asks their guild for help, and the guild helps not knowing the reason for the ban.

Really the only time they ban people on this server is from RMT/boxing/being a douche. So a 2/3 chance that you shouldn't want these people in your guild anyway.

[Pillow Armadillo]

So was culprit the head of this RMT hydra this time?

Say it ain't so... :eek:

[Daldaen]

Just think how much he lost out from his Puppet Strings sold to a vendor.

Lolololol. So glad no one gave you them back. You proved in that thread you were a douche.

[haksum]

Deru doing God's work. Pras.

[Mockba1980]

Glad I never shared my account infos to this fat scumbag

[LulzSect]

http://collegetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/simpsons-nelson-ha-ha-o.gif

[baalzy]

I think the staff should do GM events where the notable gear from some of these banned accounts get handed out as a reward.

That's mainly because I cry at the thought of a pre-nerf fungi staff or a RoA going forever into the dustbin though.

[Joyelle]

lol Ereb, wouldn't have expected less from you. Good riddance.

[kotton05]

Your sig is great!

[Atalya]

lol Ereb, wouldn't have expected less from you. Good riddance.

Daggers from a namelesser. Ouch.. I think you were like one of 4 people that still knew him from TN (including me ) lol. Dont even know what i have left (if anything) as i'm probably the "mutual monk friend" chevey helped strip :eek:

[psway]

Sad part is a lot of gear that is heavily camped, gets taken out of the economy with RMT bans. In a way, it kind of helps fight the timeline issues.

[Naprox]

Daggers from a namelesser. Ouch.. I think you were like one of 4 people that still knew him from TN (including me ) lol. Dont even know what i have left (if anything) as i'm probably the "mutual monk friend" chevey helped strip :eek:

wait, wait, wait! Are you saying Chevey got banned?

[Atalya]

No. Not at all. Well maybe he might have been caught in the backwash but i dont think he was involved.

[Naprox]

I hope not. In my time here on P99 (since May of this year) I have found Chevey to be nothing but honorable. It would crush me if my initial character assessment had been so wrong.

[ripwind]

No no, I don't think Chevey got banned. I think he's in the same boat as me - he helped Calabee transfer some stuff in the tunnel. Calabee dropped me a line (On Romp) this weekend and I helped transfer some stuff around. A lot of stuff. I just figured he was rich. He even "forgot" that he gave me a Tranix Crown, which I had to remind him of.

[Jarnauga]

lal, good riddance

[BarackObooma]

Sadly, I've been rickrolled enough times to know what your avatar is.

[Oleris]

sounds like a good reason for a bonus XP week.

[ripwind]

Sadly, I've been rickrolled enough times to know what your avatar is.

Delicious.

[BranRizzy]

When I played Uthgard DaoC back when it was open, one of the best things they did was Publish the names of all Banned/Suspended people in a forum. ( heck even my buddy got my 50 mentalist banned for boxing it to lvl his mentalist rofl and my character name was published ) But I think it would be an amazing thing on this server to have the character names of banned people published in a forum. It keeps people accountable.

[Atalya]

When I played Uthgard DaoC back when it was open, one of the best things they did was Publish the names of all Banned/Suspended people in a forum. ( heck even my buddy got my 50 mentalist banned for boxing it to lvl his mentalist rofl and my character name was published ) But I think it would be an amazing thing on this server to have the character names of banned people published in a forum. It keeps people accountable.

With real life info or? Putting someone's in game name down is kinda useless

[monti]

Where's that video of the GM deleting a monk account with literally 234534634526451 plat (I remember he was saying the database doesn't even show the amount or something). I can't find it!

[BranRizzy]

With real life info or? Putting someone's in game name down is kinda useless

Even just the game names of people, Especially on this server where a lot of the banned accounts are from top end guilds, even character names serve as a warning

[Nirgon]

When I played Uthgard DaoC back when it was open, one of the best things they did was Publish the names of all Banned/Suspended people in a forum. ( heck even my buddy got my 50 mentalist banned for boxing it to lvl his mentalist rofl and my character name was published ) But I think it would be an amazing thing on this server to have the character names of banned people published in a forum. It keeps people accountable.

[iruinedyourday]

sounds like a good reason for a bonus XP week.

:D

[iruinedyourday]

With real life info or? Putting someone's in game name down is kinda useless

why you want to call them and ask to buy some plats? :p

Even just the game names of people, Especially on this server where a lot of the banned accounts are from top end guilds, even character names serve as a warning

I dont know, the type of person to sell for monies on p99 would probably consider this thier leaderboard so Id shy away from this :D

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Big Raid Guilds: Exposed
by Sadre

Big raid guilds are usually 4 or 5 people with highly functional ocd, multiboxing other members' accounts whose online shift is later on. That guild with 150 hardcore raiders? Maybe 10-15 24/7 people at most, the rest cyberz for lewts.

Footnote: this tedious fuckery is tricky to pull off on p99, due to that server's arcane notion that a GM is actually supposed to manage the quality of the server's gameplay, but if you are playing on live, yer golden.

[Pokesan]

but is deru gonna stream tonight?

[Atmas]

but is deru gonna stream tonight?

Should do bans during streaming, that would really get the ratings up.

[Derubael]

but is deru gonna stream tonight?

Couldn't do it. Was so tired by 6pm I could barely keep my eyes open, had to take a nap.

[Oleris]

I would be more worried about allowing the RMT'ers to post their transaction log on the forums. This only encourages more RMT when individuals can see the potential profits from selling plat/items.

[Merekai]

Atalya I think you are confused by the way I worded my post - I didn't help strip anyone's character. He logged on your toon and handed me a bunch of plat to give to his mule. I inspected and you were pretty much naked minus the no drop stuff he couldn't sell.

No I didn't get banned, I don't give my info out to anyone.

Chev

[myriverse]

I would be more worried about allowing the RMT'ers to post their transaction log on the forums. This only encourages more RMT when individuals can see the potential profits from selling plat/items.
Nah. Let 'em succumb to temptation. They were always RMTers; they just didn't realize it.
With real life info or? Putting someone's in game name down is kinda useless
Game name more useful than real name.

[Atalya]

All good bro I'm not accusing you of being involved just thought you might have been caught up in it for helping transfer items . Glad you weren't ofc

[Cyrano]

I would be more worried about allowing the RMT'ers to post their transaction log on the forums. This only encourages more RMT when individuals can see the potential profits from selling plat/items.

Hahaha your sig is golden.

[Clark]

Maybe 10-15 24/7 people at most, the rest cyberz for lewts.

lol

[squarez]

I saw the sweeping bans, and got a little nervous as I use a dynamic VPN with Astrill sometimes. I wasn't banned or anything, but are multiple IP logins per account the way these accounts are flagged? If so are VPNs then a false positive?

[Rais]

They won't get into the details. They know if a person has logged on an account or not.

[Lictor]

Ban account sharing. Not classic.

[squarez]

They won't get into the details. They know if a person has logged on an account or not.

Did not mean for it to sound like I am asking how they are doing their flagging, rather asking if they are taking into account people who use dynamic VPNs. Something like:
select acct_id, count(distinct login_ip) from accts group by acct_id
, then banning everyone above a certain threshold might be banning dynamic VPN people. While this should be pretty rare, just wanted to know if the consideration was made.

[Daldaen]

Ban account sharing. Not classic.

This would be interesting. Other than your RL friend or family, this is pretty true. If all bans were final if accessed by a person who hacked, that would be an interesting dynamic change.

It wasn't until PoP with its very unforgiving flagging system that people lent out their accounts so that they could get crucial flags. <3 your flagging buddy.

[Tankdan]

Ban account sharing. Not classic.

How is it not classic?

I played on my brothers account in Velious.

[myriverse]

How is it not classic?

I played on my brothers account in Velious.
Indeed.

Wife played my account. I played hers.

Even close guildies played each others. My guild leader had his whole damn family in the guild, and would even multibox the various characters before Velious. Most of us knew each other for years before EQ and quite a few trusted each other with their pws, because if anything happened, we could always go over to their house and settle up.

The practice was certainly classic.

[Atalya]

You definitely were not allowesd to share accounts even with a spouse. The ONLY time you were EVER supposed to share an account on live was if you were a parent/guardian letting their child play on their account as you had to be 18 to technically have your own.

[webrunner5]

Sharing ANY account info with ANYBODY is stupid. End of story.:eek:

[Atalya]

You could however own multiple and play multiple accounts of your own. But as someone that bought and sold over 40 accounts on live (before PoP was even over) it DEFINITELY was NOT allowed/supported in any way/shape/form. If a GM knew you shared info you usually got banned permanently just for that infraction alone. I'm not saying it didn't happen (because of course it did) . I'm just saying it was 1234992488% against the EULA

[iruinedyourday]

Can you please ban blitzcragg isnt someone permacaming something so that nobody can enjoy classic eq merbs the whole reason you ban people for RMT?

because permacampers ruin the server?

ban blitzkragg. ban clark.

[kotton05]

He's done that for years....

[iruinedyourday]

He's done that for years....

eh I dont want him banned, but permacampers are not good for the server and there should be rules against it.

unless you are doing something that should get you banned blitz.. its hard to trust someone in your position..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eEKDdyjLC-o/UjUYpoICvgI/AAAAAAAAA_o/e_QnDtjpEyc/s320/FryNarrowedEyes.jpg

[Reguiy]

Logged in to EC last night around 1am PST. That place was a ghost town. A+ for doing good works there Derupal.

[beev]

I don't even know what half of everyone is even saying on this thread - It sounds like it may be a good thing to be naive to all the politics/drama and just enjoy the game for what it was. The hardest thing about this game is getting my wife to sleep so I can get my game on.

[Derubael]

Did not mean for it to sound like I am asking how they are doing their flagging, rather asking if they are taking into account people who use dynamic VPNs. Something like:

select acct_id, count(distinct login_ip) from accts group by acct_id

then banning everyone above a certain threshold might be banning dynamic VPN people. While this should be pretty rare, just want to know if the consideration was made or if these are handled on a case by case basis in the petition forums, etc.

Dang you posted this like 3 times.

We don't ban for account sharing, my original post was misleading in it's wording - accounts were banned not just for being shared, but for being shared with someone who participated in an activity that warranted all of their accounts being banned. That person had access to a lot of accounts that weren't his, so a lot of people get banned as a result.

You can share your accounts with whomever you'd like, but keep in mind that you could potentially lose it all by doing so. The activity that occurs on your account is your responsibility, and if your account was logged into by an RMT seller, its very likely that you will get nailed in the ensui. It's just on worth it.ng ban wave.

Not only that, but I can't even count the number of times someone has been stripped or had their character messed with by someone they trusted. This includes family members, boyfriends/girlfriends, children - the best policy is to simply trust no one and never give out your info. It's just not worth it.

[kotton05]

eh I dont want him banned, but permacampers are not good for the server and there should be rules against it.

unless you are doing something that should get you banned blitz.. its hard to trust someone in your position..

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eEKDdyjLC-o/UjUYpoICvgI/AAAAAAAAA_o/e_QnDtjpEyc/s320/FryNarrowedEyes.jpg

I've never given you a reason to doubt tho. Thing is it's what he does. On live my friend was that way. He would even charm mobs give them see invis haste them with weapons>_< just to stop folks from getting thru areas in lower guk and sol b. while it's not great for the server He's perfectly in his right to camp things for how ever long he can. Look at drusella a team used to and prolly still camps her in howling stones for days weeks months on end....

[arsenalpow]

Dang you posted this like 3 times.

We don't ban for account sharing, my original post was misleading in it's wording - accounts were banned not just for being shared, but for being shared with someone who participated in an activity that warranted all of their accounts being banned. That person had access to a lot of accounts that weren't his, so a lot of people get banned as a result.

You can share your accounts with whomever you'd like, but keep in mind that you could potentially lose it all by doing so. The activity that occurs on your account is your responsibility, and if your account was logged into by an RMT seller, its very likely that you will get nailed in the ensui. It's just on worth it.ng ban wave.

Not only that, but I can't even count the number of times someone has been stripped or had their character messed with by someone they trusted. This includes family members, boyfriends/girlfriends, children - the best policy is to simply trust no one and never give out your info. It's just not worth it.

But if the illegal behavior happened years later why scoop up accounts that hadn't been linked in almost 2 years? That's like having a business partner, he goes his own way and starts a new business, then at the new business he starts embezzling money or murdering hookers, choose your own crime. You don't go back and arrest the old business partner.

[Thulack]

Indeed.

Wife played my account. I played hers.

Even close guildies played each others. My guild leader had his whole damn family in the guild, and would even multibox the various characters before Velious. Most of us knew each other for years before EQ and quite a few trusted each other with their pws, because if anything happened, we could always go over to their house and settle up.

The practice was certainly classic.

Both my parents and my little brother all played EQ along with me. It was my stepdad that introduced it to us in aug of 99. We had 2 PC's that were right next to each other and would duo/box whichever combo of toons on 2 accounts(parents wouldnt let me have a account yet cause i was only 16.)

[Derubael]

But if the illegal behavior happened years later why scoop up accounts that hadn't been linked in almost 2 years? That's like having a business partner, he goes his own way and starts a new business, then at the new business he starts embezzling money or murdering hookers, choose your own crime. You don't go back and arrest the old business partner.

If I'm looking at 10,000 logins it's not easy to differentiate which ones are those old business partners. All I see are account ID's, IP's, and login timestamps. My goal is to stop him from selling as quickly as possible, and that doesn't afford time to pick through the 50+ accounts one by one to see which ones are being used for RMT, and which ones are BDA tracker accounts he logged into a year ago. Banning everything makes it so I can identify which ones are actually owned by someone because they have to petition, and then I can check to see if they were used for RMT one by one. Culprit was selling platinum and items for a long time - for all I know he could have used BDA tracker accounts to sell inventory, in which case those accounts would remain banned.

We've always told people not to share account information, and this is exactly why. As I stated previously, server administration would have no problem just leaving these all banned - but I'm not willing to leave a bunch of innocent accounts banned like that. I'd also like to point out again that you didn't seem too concerned when this exact same thing happened to TMO back in December =P

[Ella`Ella]

But if the illegal behavior happened years later why scoop up accounts that hadn't been linked in almost 2 years? That's like having a business partner, he goes his own way and starts a new business, then at the new business he starts embezzling money or murdering hookers, choose your own crime. You don't go back and arrest the old business partner.

Ehhh, if the business partner was embezzling at the old business and you guys were partners and you held a role of CEO or CFO, you could be tried under the RICO act for his crimes despite your lack of knowledge of the crime being commited. You are still responsible for all the due diligence necessary to prevent such things from happening.

Also, corporate executives and registered investment professionals ( e.g stock brokers, bankers, financiers, hedge fund managers, etc...) are still legally on the hook for any shit that went down under their watch for 3 years after leaving the company.

[Daldaen]

Ehhh, if the business partner was embezzling at the old business and you guys were partners and you held a role of CEO or CFO, you could be tried under the RICO act for his crimes despite your lack of knowledge of the crime being commited. You are still responsible for all the due diligence necessary to prevent such things from happening.

Also, corporate executives and registered investment professionals ( e.g stock brokers, bankers, financiers, hedge fund managers, etc...) are still legally on the hook for any shit that went down under their watch for 3 years after leaving the company.

HOLY LAWYER QUEST BATMAN.

Is this what happens in petition forums about Class R Nagafens?

[Barkingturtle]

We've always told people not to share account information, and this is exactly why. As I stated previously, server administration would have no problem just leaving these all banned - but I'm not willing to leave a bunch of innocent accounts banned like that.

No offense, but don't you see how you're perpetuating the problem?

You're not protecting anyone from wrongful bans. You're protecting them from themselves, enabling players to share accounts, reap the rewards(in turn altering the raid scene for the entire server), and all with zero risk. Why would they ever stop, when players know you'll come and perform in hindsight the sort of due diligence they themselves should have exercised up-front?

[iruinedyourday]

I've never given you a reason to doubt tho. Thing is it's what he does. On live my friend was that way. He would even charm mobs give them see invis haste them with weapons>_< just to stop folks from getting thru areas in lower guk and sol b. while it's not great for the server He's perfectly in his right to camp things for how ever long he can. Look at drusella a team used to and prolly still camps her in howling stones for days weeks months on end....

Seems like a perfect area for the play nice policy to be in effect. Being that it is not great for the server like everyone seems to agree, I believe policy should be adjusted to help promote a healthy environment for everyone.

[hieroz]

Why don't u just play by the rules and then u wouldn't have to worry about anything?

[Tecmos Deception]

Look at drusella a team used to and prolly still camps her in howling stones for days weeks months on end....

I've only infrequently given cliff golem weapons and SI though! Never actually have followed through on buffing all the entry mobs into HS south, or going in with Svenn and Save and Loraen to buy the cliff golem a tstaff for unresistable stun lulz! :D

[arsenalpow]

If I'm looking at 10,000 logins it's not easy to differentiate which ones are those old business partners. All I see are account ID's, IP's, and login timestamps. My goal is to stop him from selling as quickly as possible, and that doesn't afford time to pick through the 50+ accounts one by one to see which ones are being used for RMT, and which ones are BDA tracker accounts he logged into a year ago. Banning everything makes it so I can identify which ones are actually owned by someone because they have to petition, and then I can check to see if they were used for RMT one by one. Culprit was selling platinum and items for a long time - for all I know he could have used BDA tracker accounts to sell inventory, in which case those accounts would remain banned.

We've always told people not to share account information, and this is exactly why. As I stated previously, server administration would have no problem just leaving these all banned - but I'm not willing to leave a bunch of innocent accounts banned like that. I'd also like to point out again that you didn't seem too concerned when this exact same thing happened to TMO back in December =P

How could culprit use tracker accounts he hasn't had access to in 2 years to operate? I'm just saying you could have looked at dates and not banned accounts that he hasn't been able to login to in years. And the TMO situation was different. That was a bunch of TMO accounts plus it was duping (wasn't it? I don't really care or remember) The culprit situation was different since he's been in VD, BDA, FE, and TMO over a 3 year period. Arbitrarily banning accounts he doesn't even have access to any longer just seemed overboard.

[hieroz]

How could culprit use tracker accounts he hasn't had access to in 2 years to operate? I'm just saying you could have looked at dates and not banned accounts that he hasn't been able to login to in years. And the TMO situation was different. That was a bunch of TMO accounts plus it was duping (wasn't it? I don't really care or remember) The culprit situation was different since he's been in VD, BDA, FE, and TMO over a 3 year period. Arbitrarily banning accounts he doesn't even have access to any longer just seemed overboard.

The gms are not banning people for fun. If u do the crime
Prepare for the consequences it's going to catch up to u sooner or later it's like commuting tax fraud . You will get away with it up front and you will think your a badass for getting away with it but sooner or later your ass is going to be raw as fuck in the pin.

[Infectious]

Disgusting... Such a trusted man ends up getting all these good folk banned. Well, if you were to ask me I would tell you one thing. There is a place where real money trades dont occur. There is a place where it is just a game. This place aint far. Its one server down on the server select. Come home brothers and anyone pretending to be female.

[Derubael]

How could culprit use tracker accounts he hasn't had access to in 2 years to operate? I'm just saying you could have looked at dates and not banned accounts that he hasn't been able to login to in years. And the TMO situation was different. That was a bunch of TMO accounts plus it was duping (wasn't it? I don't really care or remember) The culprit situation was different since he's been in VD, BDA, FE, and TMO over a 3 year period. Arbitrarily banning accounts he doesn't even have access to any longer just seemed overboard.


Was the exact same situation. One person broke a rule that the punishment for is the banning of all accounts ever logged into, who had logged into dozens of accounts over a 4 year period, so we banned everything he had logged into even a single time. How many guilds the player had been a part of really doesn't make any difference, just as it didn't make any difference in the TMO ban wave (froovy had logged into characters from other guilds as well as TMO). Very few people outside of TMO thought this was "overboard" at the time.

In this situation, Culprit has been selling for years, it's entirely possible he could have used any account he had logged into since he started here to sell platinum off of. How much time has gone by makes no difference - if he had sold platinum off an account 2 years ago, that account would be permabanned. Regardless, we don't differentiate. We tell people not to share account information for this exact reason. There is no way for me to know what accounts he used to sell platinum with without checking every single one, which would take an inordinate amount of time - more time for him to continue selling platinum on the server. Stopping someone from making money off this server is more important than BDA/TMO/Whoever having their tracker accounts banned for a day because they made the mistake of sharing account information when they have been told repeatedly not to.

The bottom line is if you don't want your accounts to get banned for someone else's actions, don't share those account's information. This will never change. People should just be thankful that Eunomia and I are willing to go through and clear the innocent accounts instead of leaving them banned (again, something that server administration would have no problem with doing - nilbog especially adheres to the "trust no one" school of thought when it comes to your account info).

[kotton05]

I've only infrequently given cliff golem weapons and SI though! Never actually have followed through on buffing all the entry mobs into HS south, or going in with Svenn and Save and Loraen to buy the cliff golem a tstaff for unresistable stun lulz! :D

Lol!!!! That's truly dedication tho. I like that.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

No offense, but don't you see how you're perpetuating the problem?

You're not protecting anyone from wrongful bans. You're protecting them from themselves, enabling players to share accounts, reap the rewards(in turn altering the raid scene for the entire server), and all with zero risk. Why would they ever stop, when players know you'll come and perform in hindsight the sort of due diligence they themselves should have exercised up-front?