Is this server even

[Agatha]

capable of having one top guild that guild leader doesn't RMT.

[mitic]

A wipe is needed to clean it up. Less work for gms, win win situation

[Xaanka]

There's enough players on red who want nothing to do with RMT, DKP systems, etc that an open-roll guild could probably thrive if someone were so inclined to make it happen. Loot council w/ rolls is the best loot system by a long shot, but it requires having officers who don't care about their own toons who consistently put their guild's needs above anyone elses. Doubt red has many players on that page, which is a shame because guilds ran that way thrive.

[mitic]

There's enough players on red who want nothing to do with RMT, DKP systems, etc that an open-roll guild could probably thrive if someone were so inclined to make it happen.

Highend doesn't work without dkp

[ricquire]

Lite's AoN on Redguides back when I started says otherwise.

[Xaanka]

Highend doesn't work without dkp

Can't speak for everquest because I've always been a casual, but in other MMO's loot council guilds have gone way further and been much more enjoyable experiences, given that the officers actually put the best interests of their guild ahead of their own interests. It also takes a lot of out-of-game bullshit work, like keeping spreadsheets of attendance etc. I've been in plenty of top guilds where loot basically worked like


Which class is the item best suited for?
For which player is this item the biggest upgrade?
Which player has a higher attendance rate?
Which member is least likely to guild hop?
Which player has gotten loot recently and which hasn't?
etc.
Have the officers weigh these factors and take a vote. Roll on ties. If an officer is eligible for loot, he's out of the vent channel.

Non-progress raids? Open rolls on a need/greed system.

When members can see that loot is going to where it best benefits the guild's ability to progress, they stop caring if they missed out on a drop or two here or there.

For the most part DKP guilds I've been in are the kind where the members take things super serious but aren't very good. RMT is always rampant.

Then again, I'm also a serious-casual player and not a poopsocker. Do I think any red server guilds could handle loot council without imploding? Hell naw. Too much drama and too many self oriented players on here. With the right players, a loot council system will progress you much faster than DKP. You need a GM and officers who don't mind not being the most geared players in their guild.

[Bazia]

dkp is only system that works

[Xaanka]

dkp is only system that works

Worked great for nihilum

[Clark]

A wipe is needed to clean it up. Less work for gms, win win situation

[mitic]

a corrupt lootcouncil favors rmt way more than dkp. And yes, kinsawt (inglorious basterds/TR years ago on blue) was an rmter as Nizzar was, so dkp isn't the best option either but still, I would never join a guild with loot council.

[Sear]

http://i.imgur.com/eNRWzOh.gif

[heartbrand]

Bid dkp best system. Also no RMT in rd cuz i don't need $25 for a Cof to pay my utility bill

[Instagib]

No wipe you aint takin my 5 mr earring

Also no, everyone is on welfare

[Agatha]

Bid dkp best system. Also no RMT in rd cuz i don't need $25 for a Cof to pay my utility bill

thats def something that is important, there are 2 types of neckbeards on this server. welfare queens and people who have made a comfortable living for themselves.


we need to start chosing guild leaders that are the later.

[Xaanka]

a corrupt lootcouncil favors rmt way more than dkp. And yes, kinsawt (inglorious basterds/TR years ago on blue) was an rmter as Nizzar was, so dkp isn't the best option either but still, I would never join a guild with loot council.

Nobody's staying in a corrupt loot council guild though. A corrupt DKP guild can more easily hide how fucked things are from its members.

[Rec]

the joys of a game without soulbound

[Tradesonred]

I have to say, a wipe would be good for 2 reasons:

- First, the server had an awful first 2 years full of misguided server rules, false starts, xp nerfs, which let assholes get a dominant position on server. A clean slate would maybe partially resolve that, although how much players that gave up on red in 2011 and 2012 would be back is a big unknown. If i had to bet money though, i think it would fail because not much people would give it another shot and it would be the same residents on the same server again and status quo wouldnt be touched.

- Second, RMT. Although they said no wipe ever, the fact that some people spent real money on things that are then wiped would sort of be a msg that this is truly a bad idea.

- Third, wont happen

[Tradesonred]

Nobody's staying in a corrupt loot council guild though.

Right, thats why Azrael never became big, as much as they like to paint this as we dont invite every scrub with a pulse.

[runlvlzero]

capable of having one top guild that guild leader doesn't RMT.

Since you're so awesome and all ur guilds been #1 top guilds of the best players evar, u admitting to being an RMT kingpin with this post?

[Elspeth]

dkp is only system that works

my pixel pile would disagree pal.

[Mac Drettj]

only poor people need to sell pixels

[Gnomegrown]

Highend doesn't work without dkp

/random 100 works fine

its unemployeds who wont accept the system