Dear Azrael

[Vharvest]

As many of you well know, all the blue rerollers/new players in Holocaust are in their low or mid-50's, currently working on gearing up and getting level 60. After watching various members of your guild attempting to train our raid in fear a few days ago, I couldn't help but smile. You were so desperate to stop the zerg that you resort to griefing, breaking the rules, and doing any shitty thing you can to stop us, and we still killed Cazic Thule. Your behavior was so pathetic and so digusting that Beastagor wouldn't even participate out of principle. That, too, made me smile.

The next night, I'm on the CoM ramparts with five other guildies. We're breezing through for about three hours, and then Lite zones in, so we go to the temple roof and sit, waiting. We are in teamspeak, basically wondering what kind of move he's gonna make. The general consensus is "here comes a train with black reavers," but two people in the group give him the benefit of the doubt and we pull a couple mobs.

Of course, expecting Lite or anyone else in Azrael to follow rules of the server is stupid on our part, because as soon as pull a greater war bone and two gyrating goos, Lite immediately rounds up the entire temple and trains us. After I die, he finds out that I'm bound on the temple roof, so he takes the run and runs in a circle, putting me in an XP death loop. I died 3 times in less than one minute.

So, we log for 15, wait for him to get bored, then come back in and Scuzzle's cleric rezzes us. We go back to XPing for 30 minutes.

Then, Coat zones in, uses his defensive disc, and trains us in the exact same spot. We power through it, rez again, and I ding in addition to a couple others getting their level.

We're all laughing on teamspeak because Azrael's only strategy is to train, grief, and generally make every out-of-range member of Holocaust rage quit.

However, I want you to know that what you're doing is having the exact opposite effect that you intend it to have. The more you abuse the game and break the rules because there are no GM's around, the more determined we will be to compete with you.

It's very obvious that you're all scared. The fear raid zerg lit a fire under your asses, and you are incapable of extinguishing that fire. Your trains and your exploits are only adding fuel to that fire.

It's literally the most hilarious shit ever. You are losing control, and you can't handle it, so you train.

Keep training. Keep trying to make our lives a living hell.

It only makes us more determined to make you squirm.

The trains are the only option you have left, so you'd better get off Forumquest, stop reading this, and look up some Holo members online. You're missing your opportunity to grief. You better get on it. There could be Holos dinging 60 this very moment.

Get rustled, nerds.

[ricquire]

+1

Nice to see new blood acknowledge the problem.

[Fame]

I couldn't help but smile. You were so desperate to stop the zerg that you resort to griefing, breaking the rules, and doing any shitty thing you can to stop us, and we still killed Cazic Thule.

Get rustled, nerds.

Probably time to re-eval pal.

[heartbrand]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Synagoge,_Enschede,_Mozaiek.jpg

[LulzSect]

OP TLDR: I'm mad.

[Agatha]

perfect time for the server to have absolutely no GM pressence either to hand out bans and suspensions for training, after throwing suspensions of us for "training" when we wern't even training.


what azrael is doing now is blatant trains. not even trying to hide it type of trains.

bums me out that the server staff got duped into setting azrael up as the new top guild... shitty.

[Squire]

azrael, defenders of the box

[Eslade]

perfect time for the server to have absolutely no GM pressence either to hand out bans and suspensions for training, after throwing suspensions of us for "training" when we wern't even training.


what azrael is doing now is blatant trains. not even trying to hide it type of trains.

bums me out that the server staff got duped into setting azrael up as the new top guild... shitty.

Have to stop you there, it was your own guild that turned in the evidence to have your leader banned and it's your officer's faults for not having a contingency plan for the likely situation that the guild gets disbanded. After nihilum got Nizzar banned, nihilum went it's seperate way. You had the opportunity to just reguild under an officer and resume business as usual without Nizzar.


Tldr nobody to blame for nihilum failing other than nihilum.

[Stasis01]

I think different people had different motives, I was just fucking with you guys making 60 people waste time in Fear because people were shit talking us on forumquest.

Some people might have been worried about the pixels though, so it isn't completely false I guess.

[Colgate]

i thought that with nihilum gone, azrael would stop doing scummy shit

but they continue to try and justify it in any way with whatever lame cop-out they feel like spouting

[Tradesonred]

However, I want you to know that what you're doing is having the exact opposite effect that you intend it to have. The more you abuse the game and break the rules because there are no GM's around, the more determined we will be to compete with you.


The "resistance" bit, "health of the server" was always self-serving bullshit

[ricquire]

GM's magically appear and ban former Nihilum members for what looks like could potentially be a train but not really at all.

GM's magically dispersal on vacation, tending to their "wives", their "kids", or just not present when Azreal says "fuck this couch I'm shitting all over these new players."

Anyone who has played here can probably empathize with that.


And just to tin foil hat it up one last bit..

Derubael may not be Lithium; but he may as well be with the way things always end up here.

[Eslade]

GM's magically appear and ban former Nihilum members for what looks like could potentially be a train but not really at all.

GM's magically dispersal on vacation, tending to their "wives", their "kids", or just not present when Azreal says "fuck this couch I'm shitting all over these new players."

Anyone who has played here can probably empathize with that.


And just to tin foil hat it up one last bit..

Derubael may not be Lithium; but he may as well be with the way things always end up here.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/714320/fuck-yo-couch-o.gif

[ricquire]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/714320/fuck-yo-couch-o.gif

I would click my Photoshop icon and add "Lite <Azreal>" but its just not worth it, the resemblance is already striking.

[Stasis01]

i thought that with nihilum gone, azrael would stop doing scummy shit

but they continue to try and justify it in any way with whatever lame cop-out they feel like spouting

Yeah I was on Holo's side at first, but after you and HB talken so much I guess it's on, may the best men win =)

[Stasis01]

Aka, "Az had the chance not to recruit", "We have no choice but to zerg it up and make Azrael stop logging on again" "Azrael just as bad as Nihi because they took PD/VS/CT for a month"

Blah blah endless, gotta settle this like men with texts and trains, melee trains that is.

[Colgate]

Yeah I was on Holo's side at first, but after you and HB talken so much I guess it's on, may the best men win =)

this is the exact type of lame cop out i literally just referred to

"oh you're gonna call us out on our bullshit? well that just justifies our bullshit!"

[Stasis01]

It's not calling someone out on bullshit.

It's talking shit - don't play dumb, I hate that.

[Derubael]

Derubael may not be Lithium; but he may as well be with the way things always end up here.

Because I make all CSR decisions related to Red 99, and no other staff members are involved in that process, especially not for decisions involving entire guilds.

What you don't realize is that this statement isn't just calling me out, it's calling out the entire staff, including Rogean and Nilbog.

[Stasis01]

Ricquires played on Red99 for like 6 months and acts like he's been around since day 1.

Why even respond to that n00b Derubael.

[Stasis01]

Hes basically Elderan 2.0 except he's only been around to raid uncontested for a few months and then quit.

No perspective, no knowledge, biased spoon fed opinions, brainwashed.

[Ghordo]

i thought that with nihilum gone, azrael would stop doing scummy shit

but they continue to try and justify it in any way with whatever lame cop-out they feel like spouting

[Stasis01]

I think calling Lite scummy and talking shit will make him be less scummy and play nicer.

While at the same harboring old school grudges like the top jew, and other Nihi allies.

[ricquire]

Because I make all CSR decisions related to Red 99, and no other staff members are involved in that process, especially not for decisions involving entire guilds.

What you don't realize is that this statement isn't just calling me out, it's calling out the entire staff, including Rogean and Nilbog.

It's nothing personal at all. The conversations we have had should indicate that.

I didn't throw all my stuff up in RNF or server chat, I left it all in petition area privately and kept it all quiet.

From the time I started here until Nihil broke, people tried to brainwash others to believe statements like I just made.

I know its not true, but sometimes the RNG (or in this case impartiality) lands on results that fit the stereotype.

Suitable for laughing about in RNF? If not I apologize.

[ricquire]

Hes basically Elderan 2.0 except he's only been around to raid uncontested for a few months and then quit.

No perspective, no knowledge, biased spoon fed opinions, brainwashed.

I was probably raiding in Vis before you had your own PC.

Actually I shouldn't comment. I don't believe I know you. Is Stasis a real player who still plays? Or did he quit and "give" his shit to whats left of Azreal's player base?

Lump him in the category with the others- Sickpuppy, Afflict, Novus, all the other boxes Lite and two other players log on to play sandbox with.

[ricquire]

What you don't realize is that this statement isn't just calling me out, it's calling out the entire staff, including Rogean and Nilbog.

Last post I promise.

The sad part is I have remorse based on my statements.

Nihilum bore the cross for everything wrong on the box, was disbanded, many quit, and some criticize the management.

Azreal has no shame, doing the same shit, all while seemingly getting a free pass on boxing and being invited to live-streams and telling others they have special protection.

Which is worse?

[Not Salem]

No perspective, no knowledge, biased spoon fed opinions, brainwashed.

[Stasis01]

Literally won't read or reply to that shit Ricquire, I already have Rexx if I want to get a noob fired up, and I really don't care about what your opinion is.

[Vharvest]

Derubael, if I sent you five different fraps clips of Azrael members training my XP groups in different zones, are you gonna do something about it?

Just wondering, if not I don't wanna waste my time, because if raw evidence isn't enough then nothing is.

[LostCause]

shit happens get over it

pras sirken and derubael.

[ricquire]

Literally won't read or reply to that shit Ricquire, I already have Rexx if I want to get a noob fired up, and I really don't care about what your opinion is.

Another example of closed minded-ly hating someone you have never even spoke to.

Where is Irah when you need a Jimmies-Rustled-O-Meter.

[Derubael]

Derubael, if I sent you five different fraps clips of Azrael members training my XP groups in different zones, are you gonna do something about it?

Just wondering, if not I don't wanna waste my time, because if raw evidence isn't enough then nothing is.

No, because I'm not going to be making the final calls on disputes like this anymore. IF you have good, clear fraps of being trained that show you being trained, put them up on the petition forum and Sirken, Aussie, or Eunomia will make a determination based on the evidence you provide.

If the fraps are just a blurry mess, or they don't clearly establish evidence of a train when heavily scrutinized, then it's probably best to just file them away in a drawer somewhere.

Last post I promise.

The sad part is I have remorse based on my statements.

Nihilum bore the cross for everything wrong on the box, was disbanded, many quit, and some criticize the management.

Azreal has no shame, doing the same shit, all while seemingly getting a free pass on boxing and being invited to live-streams and telling others they have special protection.

Which is worse

Not here to compare guilds, I think each had/has their faults. I have never held any illusions that Azrael was some miracle saint answer to the raid/guild scene on Red 99. My concern has never been who is "better" or "worse" for the server. I compile the evidence and numbers where available and apply them where they are needed.

Let's not forget that Nihilum and Nizzar were both given a second (or by many reports, more like 4th or 5th) chance after he was caught red handed selling items out of the guild bank for real life cash. We purposefully left Nihilum up and running because we were worried that disbanding it right then and there would have crippled or even destroyed the server.

As far as Lite goes, I rarely log into Red to do anything but clear the petition queue and do reimbursements/complete database tasks. If he is habitually boxing, he will assuredly get caught at some point, just like Nizzar did for RMT. It's only a matter of time and proper man-power before a take-down would occur if he is playing so closely with fire so often.

Regardless, I won't be the one doing the "busting", though I will likely be asked to run a query on the login table to further corroborate a guilty boxing verdict. From this point forward, you're all just strings of 6 numbers or less cobbled together in a queryable profile blob and table columns. The tinfoil hatters will have to find someone else to blame, because I'm removing myself as a target for their theories.

[Elspeth]

Lite is a saint, ban these muppets for slander and long live the resistance.

[mostbitter]

I reported lite for boxing and using vmware almost two years ago pretty sure he aint getting caught cause yall only catch dumb asses that don't bother to use a proxy and a virtual machine

[Kergan]

Derubael down and coined, way to go you stupid assholes.

[Vharvest]

It's not a dispute. They're blatantly breaking the rules.

A "dispute" would be two different interpretations of the rules, based on one viewpoint vs. the other. It's very clearly stated in the server policy that using mobs or NPC's to train and kill other players is a violation. Therefore, Lite and his guild are violating that policy.

The clips themselves are indisputable. I'll go ahead and post them in the petition forum, but sadly, I have a feeling they won't be addressed, for many reasons that go back to a time before I joined the server.

It's very discouraging to a player that's been on the box for a month to receive a "pass the buck" response, but I know you probably don't give two flips about red anymore, and I wouldn't either. Yet another reason to blame Nihilum/Azrael for the toxic environment I find myself playing this game in.

Sigh.

[Kraz]

Fucking stop having rules on a Red server. Allow trains unless it's a raid, end of story. If it is a raid you would hope one of the tards is able to get sufficient frapsed evidence to show the train. As far as small group pvp forget rules they just complicate shit.

[Not Salem]

hahaha

[ricquire]

It's not a dispute. They're blatantly breaking the rules.

A "dispute" would be two different interpretations of the rules, based on one viewpoint vs. the other. It's very clearly stated in the server policy that using mobs or NPC's to train and kill other players is a violation. Therefore, Lite and his guild are violating that policy.

The clips themselves are indisputable. I'll go ahead and post them in the petition forum, but sadly, I have a feeling they won't be addressed, for many reasons that go back to a time before I joined the server.

It's very discouraging to a player that's been on the box for a month to receive a "pass the buck" response, but I know you probably don't give two flips about red anymore, and I wouldn't either. Yet another reason to blame Nihilum/Azrael for the toxic environment I find myself playing this game in.

Sigh.

+1 again. This is the kind of player a good server needs.

Break the mold, ask questions, expect accountability.

[Agatha]

i dont think lite should be banned for punished for boxing, i don't think anyone should. i think he should be punished for creating a hostile enviroment instead of fosting a greater good attitude.

right now azrael has been awake 24+ hours corpse camping holo and not allowing LNS. Thats the type of shit that needs to be addressed, not stupid boxing. Anyone claiming boxing is bad is the same as someone claiming RMT is bad, you are rule lawyering and you are a piece of shit for doing so. If you are in any of the major guilds on this server you would know that both of these trhings breath life into this server.

[Derubael]

It's not a dispute. They're blatantly breaking the rules.

A "dispute" would be two different interpretations of the rules, based on one viewpoint vs. the other. It's very clearly stated in the server policy that using mobs or NPC's to train and kill other players is a violation. Therefore, Lite and his guild are violating that policy.

The clips themselves are indisputable. I'll go ahead and post them in the petition forum, but sadly, I have a feeling they won't be addressed, for many reasons that go back to a time before I joined the server.

It's very discouraging to a player that's been on the box for a month to receive a "pass the buck" response, but I know you probably don't give two flips about red anymore, and I wouldn't either. Yet another reason to blame Nihilum/Azrael for the toxic environment I find myself playing this game in.

Sigh.

The main reason I am no longer doing "front-line" CSR support on Red has nothing to do with Azrael or Nilly or anyone else for that matter. While the servers attitude certainly doesn't help, I love this community to much to bail for that reason.

In reality, I have too much going on IRL lately, and CSR related database look-ups are a full time job here on P99. At any given time of the week/month there are upwards of 100 petitions in the petition/exploit forum that are "Derubael only". That doesn't leave a ton of time for the in-game stuff, which is why we have Guides. I stopped offering CSR support on Blue for in-game stuff except for the occasional free moment I have between look-ups months ago for this same reason.

If you have a valid fraps of getting trained, they will get looked at, and if they show a train, we'll follow our CSR policies for moving forward with that. Repeat offenders will receive a harsher punishment that first time trainers. Whether the train was intentional or not is usually factored into this as well. Someone who accidentally trains someone at a zone-line when he didn't know someone was there obviously warrants a different punishment than someone dropping a fat train by FD'ing in the middle of your MM GY group. Any time you submit a fraps you should always take a moment to level your expectations with our perceptions of a situation. We don't have complete 360 degree or near complete 360 degree situational awareness like you do when you are being trained - we have the limited view your fraps provides, so the evidence itself must be in the fraps, and must be clear. Most training suspensions based on fraps end up being a result extrapolations made from the fraps, rather than the fraps itself directly showing a violation, if that makes sense. Unfortunately, fraps are not always clear enough to show a clear enough circumstance to warrant a punishment. In other words, you have to be a good camera man and understand how we are going to look at your fraps when it's published and sent into us. We need to be 100% sure that a violation took place and who did the violating. If we can't ascertain that from your fraps, it will get bounced, and we will not be able to help.

As a side note we label all petitions that involve a rule violation between two players a "dispute". It's just an easy way for us to label a group of petitions and know what we are talking about.

[Derubael]

Derubael down and coined, way to go you stupid assholes.

i lol'd

[Bazia]

why are you guys not making new guides for red

4 gods sake plz

[Sheriff]

i thought that with nihilum gone, azrael would stop doing scummy shit

but they continue to try and justify it in any way with whatever lame cop-out they feel like spouting

Couldn't be scummyer. I was one of the two that gave Lige the benefit of the doubt, becuase I just knew it was too soon in Holo's existence for him to be so but hurt and mad. I of course was wrong. Pras brea for the Rez and Lite for the proof that he is no better than Niz. Pras red99 and the Andean of admissions too!

[Derubael]

why are you guys not making new guides for red

4 gods sake plz

We are working on getting a current staff member 100% up to speed for primary assignment on red, and will be pulling interviewees to get both a red and a blue guide within the next week, maybe two weeks at most.

Training Red Guides is really, really hard. Trusting them is even harder since a shady or malicious guide could cause all kinds of shenanigans if left unchecked. The last thing we need is to have an untrained Guide making bad calls and getting blasted by you guys for it and getting scared off, or a less-than-scrupulous Guide running all kinds of interference for another guild/group or even just for shits and giggles.

[Mac Drettj]

ya we know the feel

[ricquire]

In 6 months I have seen Aussie, who admitted he has IRL stuff that occupies him, intermittently. Eunomia occasionally on red for special things and has answered many petitions of mine with mixed results. Derubael a hand full of times briefly and the one event. Sirken maybe once, and Rogean maybe once.

Not that it matters to me, or what I have seen matters to anyone.

The cost associated with a new guide by the nature of this project being not for profit is $0.00, annually- and if it isn't there are people tripping over each other to donate their time.

I'm going to throw out a number and guess that there's at least 800 guide apps that are still relevant in the forum, and probably a few thousand that have come and gone.

I will keep the details to myself, but I was looked over and never contacted multiple times, before I had guild affiliation, during, and after.

I understand that training and trusting a guide is hard, and an opportunity for issue, but compare that to any field in business.

Restaurants who say "I can't/don't hire new employees because I am afraid they will steal money, ruin my business, and scare off my customers" won't get far.

It is somewhat counter-intuitive that your implying GM's and Guides are doing a adequate job policing server policy, the players, and fielding CSR; yet in the same sentence your saying they can't field trustworthy applicants, nor train them to function adequately.

What I mean is how can you say the server as a whole is being managed, yet the CSR department issues are not? You can't fly a plane before you finish building it.

This isn't an attack FYI. I think its just a valid opinion people share.

[ricquire]

To be fair though, I have told many people, including Derubael personally, I love the product that is provided here.

The player-base is toxic as fuck, but it is manageable, and a begrudging part of the experience.

The problem is the lack of presence, attentiveness, actual solution, and support provided by the CSR staff.

The random points where I have seen them inject themselves into situations are few, far between, on negligible issues, and the results are varied and inconsistent.

The random times when a real issue is occurring no one is available, the proof was inadequate, the perpetrator was pardoned, no action was taken, or the action was mysteriously inconsistent with previous actions.

The grass is always greener and hindsight is 20/20- but CSR here is not classic or even trying to be. This is not how live was, and that may not be the goal, but excellence or even just improvement is something that should be high priority.

I mean you have to acknowledge at least some of the info out there between players.

Player A gets banned for one month for hitting (but not killing) a player on LNS at his bind- petition was made but no fraps or pics provided.

Player B's petition for being bind camped and denied LNS is moved to resolved with no further information (after being bumped on and off over one month), and offending player was never suspended. Tons of screenshots and logs (no fraps) provided.

That's the view from the outside looking in. It can be explained away, but ultimately a horse is a horse is a horse, no matter how many stripes people paint on it.

[Doors]

Servers fine just need to remove the last toxic shitbag that ruins it and people can start to rebuild.

[Farzo]

Servers fine just need to remove the last toxic shitbag that ruins it and people can start to rebuild.

[iiNGloriouS]

So much rustle. All you guys had to do was call Guild LnS for PoFear.

[Colgate]

think it's pretty evident that no one is mad but the azrael that got assraped over cazic thule

8)

[VictomEyez]

Should check to see what azrael plays gimplover...because he is also training holocaust in solb.and yes he is accociated with azrael..

he even died training...came in and got his corpse..zoned...came back and trained again.

pulls mobs and gates by u with mobs

[Mac Drettj]

Success

[Barladore]

have not read one ricquire post

[iiNGloriouS]

have not read one ricquire post

[Genedin]

Keep training. Keep trying to make our lives a living hell.

It only makes us more determined to make you squirm.
Get rustled, nerds.

This is what everyone in red dawn and hokuten said too. I'm sure all of the 60 man zerg will just soldier on and no one will get discouraged.

[Burgerking]

No, because I'm not going to be making the final calls on disputes like this anymore. IF you have good, clear fraps of being trained that show you being trained, put them up on the petition forum and Sirken, Aussie, or Eunomia will make a determination based on the evidence you provide.

If the fraps are just a blurry mess, or they don't clearly establish evidence of a train when heavily scrutinized, then it's probably best to just file them away in a drawer somewhere.



Not here to compare guilds, I think each had/has their faults. I have never held any illusions that Azrael was some miracle saint answer to the raid/guild scene on Red 99. My concern has never been who is "better" or "worse" for the server. I compile the evidence and numbers where available and apply them where they are needed.

Let's not forget that Nihilum and Nizzar were both given a second (or by many reports, more like 4th or 5th) chance after he was caught red handed selling items out of the guild bank for real life cash. We purposefully left Nihilum up and running because we were worried that disbanding it right then and there would have crippled or even destroyed the server.

As far as Lite goes, I rarely log into Red to do anything but clear the petition queue and do reimbursements/complete database tasks. If he is habitually boxing, he will assuredly get caught at some point, just like Nizzar did for RMT. It's only a matter of time and proper man-power before a take-down would occur if he is playing so closely with fire so often.

Regardless, I won't be the one doing the "busting", though I will likely be asked to run a query on the login table to further corroborate a guilty boxing verdict. From this point forward, you're all just strings of 6 numbers or less cobbled together in a queryable profile blob and table columns. The tinfoil hatters will have to find someone else to blame, because I'm removing myself as a target for their theories.

If LNS and Training are not going to be enforced can we have them removed. It's to the point where they are literally posting threads bragging about LNS being denied. Check the chat logs from Ragnaros first death if you doubt. He called LNS 4 times and was killed on CR 3-4 times.

I mean we are all enjoying watching Az lose their minds but if they aren't gonna follow any rules, why should we?

[sotto]

Sad sad stuff. I feel sorry for deru and azreal.

[Not Salem]

I'm going in sane im so mad pvp is happening everytime i log in i just really want uncontested dragons, if anyone attacks me at trakanon im going to cry and petition you

[Squire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMpZQwqOoa0

[Tradesonred]

If LNS and Training are not going to be enforced can we have them removed. It's to the point where they are literally posting threads bragging about LNS being denied. Check the chat logs from Ragnaros first death if you doubt. He called LNS 4 times and was killed on CR 3-4 times.

I mean we are all enjoying watching Az lose their minds but if they aren't gonna follow any rules, why should we?

Thats a big problem if it is correct. Ive hated LNS from the start. I did notice Lite bragging about denying LNS in RnF. On Rallos the only way to fight guys like this was the untouchables style. "He pulls out a knife, you pull out a gun. He sends one of your guys to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. Thats how you get Capone" If its rarely enforced and the only way to deal with it is to respond in kind, and you might get banned defending yourself, problem.

[Vharvest]

Looks like I'm gonna be training some Eternal Lights and Azrael tonight .... if they say anything, I'll just post the now SEVEN clips I have of Coat and Lite doing it.

Eye for an eye, you pathetic dbags.

[Not Salem]

Gonna train me while I slay your afk naked players at bind or what

[Vharvest]

Nah, I'll actually wait until you're doing something that matters.

[Kinamara]

the evidence itself must be in the fraps, and must be clear.


Ok, so that was the reason why Vaporize and Agatha got characters banned recently due to Azrael training themselves based on the below proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9orjUWqBoQ

[klant]

You were so desperate to stop the zerg that you resort to griefing, breaking the rules, and doing any shitty thing you can to stop us

hahah fuck this guy and his Zerg. That's big AZ's specialty, taking out the zerg. I bet this dude is just some Nihi re-roll after gms disbanded his guild. sounds like a lot of hate, and a new forum account.

[Mac Drettj]

who is klant

that druid that ports people and stands afk once pvp starts?

[Buhbuh]

Have to stop you there, it was your own guild that turned in the evidence to have your leader banned and it's your officer's faults for not having a contingency plan for the likely situation that the guild gets disbanded. After nihilum got Nizzar banned, nihilum went it's seperate way. You had the opportunity to just reguild under an officer and resume business as usual without Nizzar.


Tldr nobody to blame for nihilum failing other than nihilum.

I find it so odd that you're projecting blame on people in Nihilum for almost wholly deciding to make the server not suck anymore (i.e. not reforming immediately) but aligning yourself with people who used the exact same reason for why Azrael saved the server.

I don't really remember what was said in Elderan's thread about "the real reason" for Nihilum getting dissolved, but he's pretty big on misinterpretation.

Weeks prior to the disbanding, the Danes made a power play on the officers of Nihilum, presenting an "us or HB" ultimatum to the officer core. Nizzar buckled like a pussy - most of us didn't care about HB's efforts or time put in at that point because it was insignificant and small for the most part. As a player, he wasn't important to any battle (they made sure he didn't function in that capacity the second time around).

What we didn't enjoy and were pissed about was the officers letting the Danes actually pull that shit. The appropriate response just based on principle would have been to punish the Danes immediately for even thinking that was an okay thing to do and to leave HB where he was at. And I actually never disliked the Danes - but that was a dumb as fuck thing to pull, and the fact that it worked was even more astonishing.

Obviously HB was mad when he was booted, and we all know the rest. But yeah, there were definitely some fractious relationships in that guild, hence why there wasn't just another reformed guild with the same people.

[lite]

juicy

[Concave]

No, because I'm not going to be making the final calls on disputes like this anymore. IF you have good, clear fraps of being trained that show you being trained, put them up on the petition forum and Sirken, Aussie, or Eunomia will make a determination based on the evidence you provide.

If the fraps are just a blurry mess, or they don't clearly establish evidence of a train when heavily scrutinized, then it's probably best to just file them away in a drawer somewhere.

I guess this works; fraps'll be on for all future raids. Hopefully the tin-can I call a computer can run fraps and 15-year-old EQ without vomiting all over itself!

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

azrael, defenders of the box

Thats the same as ISIS calling themselves the saviors of Islam.

[Eslade]

I find it so odd that you're projecting blame on people in Nihilum for almost wholly deciding to make the server not suck anymore (i.e. not reforming immediately) but aligning yourself with people who used the exact same reason for why Azrael saved the server.

I don't really remember what was said in Elderan's thread about "the real reason" for Nihilum getting dissolved, but he's pretty big on misinterpretation.

Weeks prior to the disbanding, the Danes made a power play on the officers of Nihilum, presenting an "us or HB" ultimatum to the officer core. Nizzar buckled like a pussy - most of us didn't care about HB's efforts or time put in at that point because it was insignificant and small for the most part. As a player, he wasn't important to any battle (they made sure he didn't function in that capacity the second time around).

What we didn't enjoy and were pissed about was the officers letting the Danes actually pull that shit. The appropriate response just based on principle would have been to punish the Danes immediately for even thinking that was an okay thing to do and to leave HB where he was at. And I actually never disliked the Danes - but that was a dumb as fuck thing to pull, and the fact that it worked was even more astonishing.

Obviously HB was mad when he was booted, and we all know the rest. But yeah, there were definitely some fractious relationships in that guild, hence why there wasn't just another reformed guild with the same people.

That's a lot of stuff that I didn't know but where is the part about me being wrong?

[Tradesonred]

The danes were idiotic, would spam OOC in Gfay about how theyd never allow swedish people in Nihilum. Im guessing they had all kinds of racist reasons to not want HB around.

Really brilliant behavior from people living in a country that was invaded by Hitler

[Buhbuh]

I didn't say you were wrong. In subtle other ways you are hypocritical, but not really on the point of contention.

It was a former Nihilum member disgruntled by the way he was treated (and rightfully so). In the technical sense, it wasn't Nihilum - it was HB, who, yes, was in Nihilum, but not at the time the guild was disbanded.

You can argue that Nizzar was sloppy and flippant about the GMs' warnings, because he was, and he certainly got what was coming to him, but it wasn't him that pulled the pin. Nihilum's demise can be attributed solely to those who sent in the information that incriminated him.

There's definitely a debate about whether Derubael would have dissolved Nihilum had Nizzar been more tactful about the whole situation, though. He pretty much threw his hands up and became even more flippant once confronted.

A good majority of us were all too happy to be rid of the complete waste of space, warm bodies filling the ranks. Vaporize was fuckin' stoked to chill in a smaller crew. I think post-Nihilum it really just became about not having total faggots in our Teamspeak. That was, like, goal number one over everything else (including contesting Azrael). Now that time has sort of past.

I think people are sort of tired of the FQing by Azrael now. Most were hoping some sort of diplomacy/ civilness on this server would arise out Nihilum's demise and a new set of standards would be implemented by the players here, but everyone's just sort of the same antagonistic pieces of shit they've always been.

Dont get me wrong... I think most people here like the idea of changing things theoretically; they just enjoy FQing/ ooc'ing the antithesis of that change even more.

People just haven't realized there's a causal relationship there yet.

[Eslade]

Therapists is willing to mediate a treaty between holo and azrael. Lmk.

[Kergan]

There's definitely a debate about whether Derubael would have dissolved Nihilum had Nizzar been more tactful about the whole situation, though. He pretty much threw his hands up and became even more flippant once confronted.


Anyone who didn't gain respect for the Duke when he told Derubael to start lifting when facing lifetime banishment needs to rethink some things.

That is called going out with guns blazing my friends.

[Genedin]

I love how much all of this shit actually matters.

[heartbrand]

Anyone who didn't gain respect for the Duke when he told Derubael to start lifting when facing lifetime banishment needs to rethink some things.

That is called going out with guns blazing my friends.

dunno I thought it was pretty dumb and poor diplomacy, he could've talked himself out of the whole situation imho

[Clark]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Synagoge,_Enschede,_Mozaiek.jpg

Idk what this is, but I'm offended.