Why aren't innoruuk dark elves allowed in hate?

[Flamewraith]

Just sitting here BSing with an old friend about EQ lore when this question popped into my head:Why are all dark elves, even the ones who venerate inny KOS to all things in the plane of hate? How have the dark elf NPC's inhabiting hate not been executed as well? Did they pass some hatred test? If I'm not mistaken Tunare worshiping players can set foot in the plane of growth without being gangbanged by an army of pissed of sprites and shit within the first seconds of arriving. To that end I remember long ago someone talking about dark elves being able to enter hate peacefully, but that the proper faction was taken out in a patch and now all are KOS. Is this true?

[Brut]

Haters gonna hate, that's kinda Inny's thing. Think it reads in the guidebook that Innoruuk's worshippers hate him and he hates them or something. I always assumed planar mobs are supposed to be like otherworldly and sort of godly compared to mortals, the dark elves in Hate are twice the size of regular dark elves methinks. And you're kind of teleporting up there without anyone's consent so don't think they'll be too welcoming.

CT worshipping iksars can go chit chat with big potato man come late Velious or something as part of the whistling fist quest?

EDIT: USED WORD METHINKS 4 TIMES METHINKS. Removed bunch.

[BranRizzy]

I'm pretty sure the dark elves in hate are all vampires, could be wrong though

[Estu]

The lore about these planes are that they're the dreams of the gods, right? And the god you can see and fight is a dream self or avatar. I'd argue that a person who is dreaming does not necessarily have a great deal of rational thought. If I'm the god of hate and I'm dreaming and a bunch of dudes who think they're hot shit show up in my dream out of nowhere, I may well just want them dead without stopping to think "hmm, are they worshipping me?".

[Byrjun]

Since when are planes dreams?

[Sirken]

sorry dark elves, youve been worshiping a piece of shit that doesn't love you, or care about you. at all.

[Laugher]

sorry dark elves, youve been worshiping a piece of shit that doesn't love you, or care about you. at all.

says one of the only dark elves not kos in hate :p

[myriverse]

Since when are planes dreams?
Dunno if "dreams" is the right word, but the planes are the manifestations of the consciousnesses of the gods.

[Grimjaw]

and why would a mortal be welcome in his concousness

[sox7d]

Read the Planes of Power atlas book, nerds. The Planes are just pockets of reality carved out for the gods to chill in. They build it how they'd like.

[myriverse]

and why would a mortal be welcome in his concousness
Yeah. And it's always bugged me that killing your god (even his manifestation) doesn't have a bigger affect on your character. Religious classes should find themselves very damaged for such blasphemies.

[Flamewraith]

Yeah. And it's always bugged me that killing your god (even his manifestation) doesn't have a bigger affect on your character. Religious classes should find themselves very damaged for such blasphemies.
I have to agree. I always found myself avoiding PoG raids on my druid because it felt weird to kill the god I revere.

[iruinedyourday]

Yeah. And it's always bugged me that killing your god (even his manifestation) doesn't have a bigger affect on your character. Religious classes should find themselves very damaged for such blasphemies.

yea but if I worshiped the god of hate and I killed the god of hate I would feel an odd sense of accomplishment because what my god was telling me to do, was to hate.

on the contrary, like for killing Tunare you become KOS forever, no turning back.

but for killing Innoruk you should feel only personal accomplishment. No faction affect in theory, because the only people that would understand why its OK to kill your god, would be other worshipers of hate, which you cannot align yourself with because the very existence of them negates the concept of alignment!

So everything you desire is working as intended! :)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yeah. And it's always bugged me that killing your god (even his manifestation) doesn't have a bigger affect on your character.

Depends on what trinkets your god drops when you slay him/her and how many DKP you're willing to spend on them. It could have a tremendous effect on your character!

[bktroost]

However, please go read the lore on Kithicor Forest. The battle that takes place there is extremely epic and involved Inny showing up to smite some paladin scum. He comes because the female general prays to him, asking for his consuming hate to strengthen her/defeat her enemies and he responds.

Inny is clearly a fickle god.

[bktroost]

Also, the post above my last one gives me an image of Yendor and his shovel locked in an epic bard battle with Iruninedyourday to the music of Paul Hertenstein's Qeynos Bard's Guild rendition (his link).

[holsteinrx7]

i didnt know sirken was anti religious xD

[Susvain2]

I have to agree. I always found myself avoiding PoG raids on my druid because it felt weird to kill the god I revere.

aka you didnt wanna kill trash for 6hours before tunare

[myriverse]

yea but if I worshiped the god of hate and I killed the god of hate I would feel an odd sense of accomplishment because what my god was telling me to do, was to hate.

on the contrary, like for killing Tunare you become KOS forever, no turning back.

but for killing Innoruk you should feel only personal accomplishment. No faction affect in theory, because the only people that would understand why its OK to kill your god, would be other worshipers of hate, which you cannot align yourself with because the very existence of them negates the concept of alignment!

So everything you desire is working as intended! :)
To kill a manifestation of a god, of whatever type, should weaken it, thus harming the whole system. Kill Inny, and him and his influence should weaken. As a result, hate (itself) is weakened.