Nothxu = Stripped

[Nothxu]

My monk's items were stripped in early July. Lost all major no drop items. AoN, T-Staff, CoF, RBG, SoS, etc etc

Sirken / Derubael have said they are unable to help due to current policy. Sirken responded this morning saying there is nothing he could do and moved the petition to resolved. Derubael seemed like he wanted to help, but said the policy was they never restore items on red. In the past though, I know they have restored items and even characters that have been deleted.

Does this policy make sense, especially considering the time invested in the server?

I have 2 Level 60s, 1 Level 59, 1 Level 56. Generally a non-toxic player. Don't troll the forums etc.

I wasn't even told who did it. Do you think people that do scummy stuff like this should be outed to the community?

I would have been happy with just two items being restored, the T-Staff and AoN.

Makes me want to stop playing the game. I spent days camping that damn T-Staff.

Am I just being emo?

[Tradesonred]

Lesson learned, dont give your login info away, ever

[Not_Kazowi]

Don't trust anyone you don't know irl on elf quest

[Crazycloud]

honestly should atleast give the players name who took all the shit.

[Tradesonred]

honestly should atleast give the players name who took all the shit.

I can understand the rationale why they dont

They told everyone not to share info, you did anyway, not gonna spend time that could be spent elsewhere

[Tradesonred]

If you want to out them, why dont you do it?

I mean, have you given away the account info to 10+ people?

[krazyGlue]

My monk's items were stripped in early July. Lost all major no drop items. AoN, T-Staff, CoF, RBG, SoS, etc etc

Sirken / Derubael have said they are unable to help due to current policy. Sirken responded this morning saying there is nothing he could do and moved the petition to resolved. Derubael seemed like he wanted to help, but said the policy was they never restore items on red. In the past though, I know they have restored items and even characters that have been deleted.

Does this policy make sense, especially considering the time invested in the server?

I have 2 Level 60s, 1 Level 59, 1 Level 56. Generally a non-toxic player. Don't troll the forums etc.

I wasn't even told who did it. Do you think people that do scummy stuff like this should be outed to the community?

I would have been happy with just two items being restored, the T-Staff and AoN.

Makes me want to stop playing the game. I spent days camping that damn T-Staff.

Am I just being emo?


my guess would be nizzar / tune they both been caught striping / deleteing toons pras more scummy shit that nihilum did

[Mac Drettj]

nizzar stripped you

sorry nothxu pal

miss our nights on d3 farming uncontested loots and ur suck ass crusader not having full set

[Nothxu]

That's the thing. I don't think anyone had my information. My password was not as strong as it should have been (which is definitely one of my take aways from this situation), so someone could have maybe GUESSED it, but that is a lot of work.

[Potus]

You're a monk, just fight naked.

My Prima Official Everquest Strategy Guide says you'll do just fine.

[Eslade]

How many people have access to your account to the point that you can't figure out who stole from you?

[Mac Drettj]

like 99% sure nizzar had access to you

[Mac Drettj]

nizzar stripped/deleted trav, stripped nothxu, now selling zarah on redguides

hes dumping every account hes ever had access to

[Nothxu]

Nizzar didn't have access.

Plus, stop the Nizzar propaganda dude, I have known him since Sullon Zek and we have probably played 5-10 games together. We both know he's not like that.

[magician]

yaw but he'll sell guild loot for his own personal gain without telling anyone. MMHMM

[Nothxu]

Did they ever find out what happened to Trav for real? Was his character restored?

[Mac Drettj]

Nizzar didn't have access.

Plus, stop the Nizzar propaganda dude, I have known him since Sullon Zek and we have probably played 5-10 games together. We both know he's not like that.

lold

[Jenni D]

The GM logs and previous evidence splattered all over these forums a number of times suggest he IS like that

[Eslade]

Nizzar didn't have access.

Plus, stop the Nizzar propaganda dude, I have known him since Sullon Zek and we have probably played 5-10 games together. We both know he's not like that.

https://www.tuition.io/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Stages-of-grief.jpg
You're in for a long ride sir.

[magician]

whoever is selling lvl 60 erudite cleric(ZARAH) on ******** is a SICKO and desperate for PRESSED LATINUMS

[Nothxu]

Stay on topic please. Nizzar is a buddy of mine.

Do you think exceptions to policy should be made for people that have been good influences on the server / dedicated a lot of time to the server?

Plus, why aren't they saying who stripped the items? I don't see why that is a problem at all. It certainly would help prevent shit like that happening in the future.

[magician]

whoever is selling lvl 60 erudite cleric(ZARAH) on ******** is a SICKO and desperate for PRESSED LATINUMS

also sorry for ur loss nothxu i miss u

[Casey VII]

You deserved it for consorting with those sick mongoloids.

[lite]

Sorry to hear that man =/

[Bazia]

thats ridic man plz help this guy GMs the amount of shit ganked here is insane

[Malevz]

Sorry to hear Nothx, you are one of the good ones. Best of the luck, keep on those GM's.

[Mac Drettj]

nothxu good people, too bad huge faggots like northwest get restored when someone does the server a favor and deletes

but noble non trolls get shafted

[Rystar]

If the GMs know who did it, I don't see why they wont just return it and perma ban the person that stole it. He already said his password was guessed, in which case the GMs should help him out.

The trash on this server should be taken out and banning someone who did this crap is a good start IMO.

[Rystar]

nothxu good people, too bad huge faggots like northwest get restored when someone does the server a favor and deletes

but noble non trolls get shafted

Rarely agree with Retti but ^^ is spot on.

[lite]

Gm's should at least make available where the items went

[Kergan]

You're a monk, just fight naked.

My Prima Official Everquest Strategy Guide says you'll do just fine.

lol g1

[Eslade]

I have a fun question, how does someone guess a user name and password? And if you used the same password as you used on your message board, how many people had access to that information?

[Kergan]

Gm's should at least make available where the items went

I agree unless it was Nizzar that did it then they should just move to resolved.

[NotKringe]

Nothxu seems like a solid guy, played with on D3.. They should at least let him know who took the items so this can be prevented in the future..

[Mac Drettj]

Nothxu seems like a solid guy, played with on D3.. They should at least let him know who took the items so this can be prevented in the future..

chortling remembering one of our rift runs w nothxu pre season

hes a swell chap too bad he getting burned right now

hope the best

[Colgate]

pretty sure like 2-3 weeks ago they were giving heartbrand the trade logs showing where a lot of his missing items went

strange that they're not giving you the info

that being said, no idea why you're in denial about nizzar being a massive scumbag, gl finding out what happened to your stuff though

[heartbrand]

pretty sure like 2-3 weeks ago they were giving heartbrand the trade logs showing where a lot of his missing items went

strange that they're not giving you the info

that being said, no idea why you're in denial about nizzar being a massive scumbag, gl finding out what happened to your stuff though

????? You spewing rumors??


Also I gave you the t-staff, give me some credit brah.


Also Nizzar is a faggot who has stripped and sold multiple chars.

Also Elf Sim.


Also Patriots.


Thx.

[quido]

Dras the Puke

[Farzo]

sad for your loss brother, but it's kinda true: don't give people access to your main toons, esp. on a server with broke arse people who want to RMT high ticket items for Razor Earphones and Mousez.

One person has access to my toons, and if he wants to steal the 20-30k plat value of them be my guest.

[HippoNipple]

1) Instances of similar treatment the OP is requesting being granted.
2) Would help the community out the thief
3) Would provide entertainment without hurting anyone that doesn't deserve it
4) OP has a good track record of being a positive player for the community.

Time to pony up GMs. Forum Questers from all factions agree.

[Nirgon]

Ya right now I feel like I'm really not equipped as a community member to handle this myself.

Staff: "Don't invite known account strippers, exploiters and RMTers to your guild"
Us: "Okay who stripped Nothxu so we can outcast them"

[Swyft]

I seriously don't understand the non disclosure rule of offenses, it only protects the offender. Doesn't even correlate to modern day RL where someone's police records are now public access and can't have it expunged for awhile.

Protecting the identity of offenders simply provides them anonymity, it's literally like the police handing a new costume to a burglar.

How do we as a community know who we should or shouldn't trust when the staff works so hard to conceal the criminals from the community?

[Somekid123]

Not there job to relay that info if they choose not to. Don't share account information simple as that. Trying to make other points doesn't make "do not share info" any less meaningful or indirect.

[Tradesonred]

So he claims that he didnt share his info

I think the question is, is there a way for someone like Deru to figure out if that is true, or he did share his info and now regrets it because he got stripped?

I mean i assumed he had shared his info, but maybe thats not what happened

Though, how hard would it be to guess both the account name and the password?

I would say extremely hard and unlikely

[Mac Drettj]

he probably used same credentials on the nihilum forums

thats how they got mellowyellow credentials afaik

[Tradesonred]

Ahh, that might have been what happened then

[fiegi 8.0]

My monk's items were stripped in early July. Lost all major no drop items. AoN, T-Staff, CoF, RBG, SoS, etc etc

Sirken / Derubael have said they are unable to help due to current policy. Sirken responded this morning saying there is nothing he could do and moved the petition to resolved. Derubael seemed like he wanted to help, but said the policy was they never restore items on red. In the past though, I know they have restored items and even characters that have been deleted.

Does this policy make sense, especially considering the time invested in the server?

I have 2 Level 60s, 1 Level 59, 1 Level 56. Generally a non-toxic player. Don't troll the forums etc.

I wasn't even told who did it. Do you think people that do scummy stuff like this should be outed to the community?

I would have been happy with just two items being restored, the T-Staff and AoN.

Makes me want to stop playing the game. I spent days camping that damn T-Staff.

Am I just being emo?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/4/45/45d91a42_head-shake-o_zps6754ffba.gif

[SamwiseRed]

welcome to the nihilum family

[Swyft]

Not there job to relay that info if they choose not to. Don't share account information simple as that. Trying to make other points doesn't make "do not share info" any less meaningful or indirect.

It's not their job but it would help make their job easier if they disclosed the offenders. Before you name absolutes like they mean something how about I name every person those absolute rules didn't apply to.

In law an exception made even once sets a precedent, that becomes the future rule.

[Doors]

Sorry dude stripping accounts is like the lamest thing ever. Never give your logins out.

[Silent]

I agree, I think the info should be given to nothxu about who did this and where the items landed and names given and if he so chooses he can put them out here for us to know. That being said, When I first heard about this I didn't believe it until it was confirmed. Then to hear that nothing would be done to check into it let alone restore it as its not the policy despite numerous people having had it done in the past is kind of a hit in the balls.

These items, being stolen especially a tstaff + aon lets face it they can be RMT'd for upwards of a few hundred bucks im guessing? Why is this info something that can't be given? Did it ultimately end up in the hands of someone who either did strip it, or rmt'd it or bought it with real plat and they want to avoid tarnishing a name? Either way, I hope they restore everything for you nothxu, and then track down and delete all the items that were taken from you.

[Stasis01]

Did Ender have access?

[Stasis01]

But I agree what the fuck policy change haha, name and shame this shit only happens every so often - we know a lot of the regular scumbags because GM's have outed them I don't know why we'd stop.

[BeautBabeC]

Nizzar, ender, Elderan, Drakar, Qazzazz, Vaporize all RMTers, Strippers, blah blah blah. Don't guild with cheaters in the future and you can probably avoid this fate. RIP to your items, seems really fucked up the GMs are on so many records giving out this information but wont help you out. Sorry you got double crossed by ur pals, sucks bro..

[Kergan]

I seriously don't understand the non disclosure rule of offenses, it only protects the offender. Doesn't even correlate to modern day RL where someone's police records are now public access and can't have it expunged for awhile.

Protecting the identity of offenders simply provides them anonymity, it's literally like the police handing a new costume to a burglar.

How do we as a community know who we should or shouldn't trust when the staff works so hard to conceal the criminals from the community?

WTF is up with you the last 2-3 days? Where are the GIFs and why isn't every other sentence ending in an exclamation point? Why has your incoherent borderline sociopathic/retard jibberish been replaced with rational thought?

I swear I took a week off to go fishing and everyone went on meds or something. Am I the only inmate left in the asylum?

[LulzSect]

glad to hear

you deserved it

haha

*this must mean they can't track your theft

haha

[magician]

I'm pretty sure I bought this AON through the Auction forums. I can't find the thread now but it was a no-name, zero post forum name I spoke to.

I traded it for in-game items obviously, and quite alot of them.

I call it my Tkxu AON.

Edit: Don't know who took it and would return the AON to Nothxu if I could get my 450k of ingame plat and ingame items back.

naw u got it str8 from the thief knowingly so.

[Eslade]

How many blooming onions = 450k?

[Not Salem]

Damn, sorry to hear you got Nizzar'd pal

[Sektor]

sorry to hear this. GMs should restore your gear and tell us who did it and permaban that guy IMO.

[Silent]

There are actually quite a lot of AoNs on red99, more so then ever floating around for sale since the disbanding of Nihilum. There were I would say at least 20 AoN's minimum in that guild, lots were on inactive characters or being loaned to people by inactives. So the influx of cloak of flames, rbb's, dragon gear and stuff is no surprise as most is probably from a nihilum member at one point or another. AoN's are valuable, I rank them up there with sow swords and about half or a bit more of a tstaffs value imo. But AoN is trade-able and a SoW sword is not. There have been a few AoNs for sale, But its hard finding someone who is happy with a set amount of plat or gear for a highly sought after item like AoN.

Remember when tstaffs were basically priceless pre nerf, even post nerf? Now there are easily 20-30 or more on server and a market for them.

[Vile]

There are actually quite a lot of AoNs on red99, more so then ever floating around for sale since the disbanding of Nihilum. There were I would say at least 20 AoN's minimum in that guild, lots were on inactive characters or being loaned to people by inactives. So the influx of cloak of flames, rbb's, dragon gear and stuff is no surprise as most is probably from a nihilum member at one point or another. AoN's are valuable, I rank them up there with sow swords and about half or a bit more of a tstaffs value imo. But AoN is trade-able and a SoW sword is not. There have been a few AoNs for sale, But its hard finding someone who is happy with a set amount of plat or gear for a highly sought after item like AoN.

Remember when tstaffs were basically priceless pre nerf, even post nerf? Now there are easily 20-30 or more on server and a market for them.


ya man

[Silent]

hey man, what u gettin at bro? u tryin 2 fight me? im 12 years old don't mess with me, i smoke cigs.

[Agatha]

i have never seen so much rmt in my life since nihilum disbanded. its cray cray.

[Derubael]

Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!

[Swyft]

You guys can say don't share info but on a server with a pop of less than 200, you only have two options.

A. Share account info so you can have the classes you need when you need them to down mobs, and run the risk of having gear stolen.

B. Don't share account info and never have any gear worth stealing.

So saying don't share account info is literally the same as saying don't play here because you'll never get end game gear. Sure a few people will slip by and be able to gear up, but that's only due to 20 other people who took the risk for them.

Maybe the rules should more accurately reflect the lifestyles lead on Red99. Because the don't share account rule on 200 pop server is as redic as pot being illegal.

[Mac Drettj]

allowing 2 boxing would prevent all thievery

legalizeit

[Tradesonred]

You guys can say don't share info but on a server with a pop of less than 200, you only have two options.

A. Share account info so you can have the classes you need when you need them to down mobs, and run the risk of having gear stolen.

B. Don't share account info and never have any gear worth stealing.

So saying don't share account info is literally the same as saying don't play here because you'll never get end game gear.

Thats ridiculous, if you neckbeard in a guild that raids, youre gonna get gear.

[Awwalike]

no way nizzar wouldn't do that

[Ames who?]

Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!


how the fuck did you get my password??

[freez]

agatha stole a tcrown 60k and a few resist gems out my bank and it was refunded to me in a day.




sorry ya feels

[freez]

honestly the only thing shittier than the community here are the staff.


shut it down if you cant cater to 1 player a month on a 100 pop server who gets legitimately fucked after hundreds of hours spent on your terrible server.

[freez]

I agree, I think the info should be given to nothxu about who did this and where the items landed and names given and if he so chooses he can put them out here for us to know. That being said, When I first heard about this I didn't believe it until it was confirmed. Then to hear that nothing would be done to check into it let alone restore it as its not the policy despite numerous people having had it done in the past is kind of a hit in the balls.

These items, being stolen especially a tstaff + aon lets face it they can be RMT'd for upwards of a few hundred bucks im guessing? Why is this info something that can't be given? Did it ultimately end up in the hands of someone who either did strip it, or rmt'd it or bought it with real plat and they want to avoid tarnishing a name? Either way, I hope they restore everything for you nothxu, and then track down and delete all the items that were taken from you.



youre own brother stole from me for no reason at all




hypocrite faggots like you have ruined the server. swallow the pill.

[Agatha]

no reason? tarran is enjoying his MS and fungi and full set of droppables back pal.

edit: and durabael didnt restore your items, they were given back, in trade for tarrans droppables.

[freez]

agatha what the fuck are you talking about



implying i stole something from anyone ever in my time on the game?

[Ames who?]

no reason? tarran is enjoying his MS and fungi and full set of droppables back pal.

edit: and durabael didnt restore your items, they were given back, in trade for tarrans droppables.

drugs

[OfftuneRZ]

Did OP re petition ? I wanna know who dun it.

[Agatha]

agatha what the fuck are you talking about



implying i stole something from anyone ever in my time on the game?

nope, you just just an innocent bystander, collateral damage. which i have apologized many times for.

[Smedy]

My monk's items were stripped in early July. Lost all major no drop items. AoN, T-Staff, CoF, RBG, SoS, etc etc

Sirken / Derubael have said they are unable to help due to current policy. Sirken responded this morning saying there is nothing he could do and moved the petition to resolved. Derubael seemed like he wanted to help, but said the policy was they never restore items on red. In the past though, I know they have restored items and even characters that have been deleted.

Does this policy make sense, especially considering the time invested in the server?

I have 2 Level 60s, 1 Level 59, 1 Level 56. Generally a non-toxic player. Don't troll the forums etc.

I wasn't even told who did it. Do you think people that do scummy stuff like this should be outed to the community?

I would have been happy with just two items being restored, the T-Staff and AoN.

Makes me want to stop playing the game. I spent days camping that damn T-Staff.

Am I just being emo?

I'm interested in who stole your stuff, perhaps GM's can't restore your stuff, but they should be able to tell you stole your shit, out with it

[Smedy]

I'm pretty sure I bought this AON through the Auction forums. I can't find the thread now but it was a no-name, zero post forum name I spoke to.

I traded it for in-game items obviously, and quite alot of them.

I call it my Tkxu AON.

Edit: Don't know who took it and would return the AON to Nothxu if I could get my 450k of ingame plat and ingame items back.

erm, is gyno openly admitting to RMT? that hammer gunna hit u hard bro, reaility hits u hard

[Pitborn]

Petitioned about who took my manastone and GMs did let me know the characters name, time it happened but no reimbursal.

I think it's just happening so much that much less fucks are given.

[LostCause]

nothxu good people, too bad huge faggots like northwest get restored when someone does the server a favor and deletes

but noble non trolls get shafted

shit they restored mellowyellow with gear he did not even have.


where that account at now? hmm i wonder :P

[Pikrib]

Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!

Wow, thats weird. You restored HB's stolen stuff in 2014.

[Synthlol]

Why the hell would you share your account info? Learn your lesson and move on.

[karsten]

freez making sense in server chat, hb still stealing shit, derubael being inconsistant


the first part is refreshing, the second two are understandable

[Stasis01]

Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!

Makes sense TBH, problem is Nothxu has like an AON/Tstaff/major items that will basically make him quit if you just look at it logically and tell him to beat it.

Least let the man know who fucked him over, or try to and say you can't find out.

This happens very rarely for notable people who play here.

[Sektor]

Wow, thats weird. You restored HB's stolen stuff in 2014.

[Stasis01]

freez making sense in server chat, hb still stealing shit, derubael being inconsistant


the first part is refreshing, the second two are understandable

Karsten is coherent, he must have just woke up and not hit the bottle. (yet)

[heartbrand]

I play about thirty minutes a week and have prolly a combined one day played in the last six months. I would recommend you find someone's else's nuts to grab onto.

[Pikrib]

I'm not saying that you getting your shit back was a bad thing HB, pretty much the opposite. What Deru said was incorrect though. He said that as of 2013 GM's dont return stolen items. If they did it for you Y wouldn't they do it for nothxu. They should try to get him his shit back and ban the thief. No one likes a thief and its better for the community if they were gone.

[Pikrib]

Ban the people paying RL cash for pixels also.

[mugien]

I'm prob gonna drop 4k on items to make me better at elf sim.

[Labanen]

shut it down if you cant cater to 1 player a month on a 100 pop server who gets legitimately fucked after hundreds of hours spent
Freez still occationally making good sense.

[Smedy]

zarah 60 cleric with full vp suit up for grabs bros, who wants to gamble???

[Stasis01]

Just repeat with me Sektor, it's just a game.

[Kergan]

Just make tstaff, fungus, manastone and AON non drop and 90% of your RMT and account stripping problems go away.

[Not_Kazowi]

A lot of immersion going on

[Genedin]

Should have donated.

[Sektor]

lot of good responses, seeing the community stand together on this issue even enemy players sticking up for Nothxu. The community requests the GMs to restore Nothxu's gear and ban the thief or thieves involved.


/ sign if agreed, do the right thing Derupal.

[Swyft]

shut it down if you cant cater to 1 player a month on a 100 pop server who gets legitimately fucked after hundreds of hours spent.



One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.



I don't see why Red has to take the backseat to Blue problems yet again. Each item has a unique number, not that hard to find them. I don't see why red has to lose a player(which we will over this) because blue's need they're hands held constantly.

I'm sure 15 mins of less stream time with Sirken could save us a player that has spent countless hours on this box. Because this is not just a policy decision it's literally the decision to cast a player aside.

[Mac Drettj]

agree

[Kergan]

I don't see why Red has to take the backseat to Blue problems yet again. Each item has a unique number, not that hard to find them. I don't see why red has to lose a player(which we will over this) because blue's need they're hands held constantly.

I'm sure 15 mins of less stream time with Sirken could save us a player that has spent countless hours on this box. Because this is not just a policy decision it's literally the decision to cast a player aside.

Problem is there are probably 20 petitions in the queue with this exact same problem, and 18 of them are blue. If we get 20% of the GM time blue does how can we reasonably complain, as we're probably less than 20% of their population?

[derpcake]

Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!

I understand you don't want to dupe items, as that would be bad for the economy. I fully understand you don't want to punish those who obtained the item fairly.

Finally, account sharing is a shitty idea on this server.

On the other hand, I don't see why you can't hand the stripped dude some gear from the banned one.

Would improve customer satisfaction a lot.

[Swyft]

Problem is there are probably 20 petitions in the queue with this exact same problem, and 18 of them are blue. If we get 20% of the GM time blue does how can we reasonably complain, as we're probably less than 20% of their population?

I guarantee 90% of the petitions are over mob stealing on blue. Nothing that would cost them a population -1, just angry nerd raging over pixels.

[lite]

This shit never happens in Azrael and every single one of us account shares..... Guild only with people whose company you enjoy, not those that are more likely to secure you pixels.

[Genedin]

I don't even save login info when pals need me to log in for them. Just a game and all.

[derpcake]

I guarantee 90% of the petitions are over mob stealing on blue. Nothing that would cost them a population -1, just angry nerd raging over pixels.

Have had 2 items ninjaed in groups, in the 4 months that I've played here. One minor, one 10k+.

Neither time action was taken.

Tbh this makes it hard to say what I'd do if a T-staff or some shit dropped in a random group. Make sure I loot it first, that's certain.

[mostbitter]

This shit never happens in Azrael and every single one of us account shares..... Guild only with people whose company you enjoy, not those that are more likely to secure you pixels.

You got a lot of nerve acting all self righteous after stealing from me. I hope you don't get aids.

[Swyft]

This shit never happens in Azrael and every single one of us account shares..... Guild only with people whose company you enjoy, not those that are more likely to secure you pixels.

So I guess the video's you posted of people stripping AZ toons was all BS. I guess you should be banned for making false accusations then, and wasting GM's time.

[Quiet]

Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!

TLDR : I am too busy raiding with Azrael to do anything. But I did have time to type this post up. I meant to tell you who the item stealer was, but I saw it was Salem and when I rolled over in bed and told him, he laughed and warped away.

[mostbitter]

Originally Posted by Derubael View Post
Read OP, briefly skimmed responses.

Two things:

1) In the past, previous GM's have restored stolen items on Red 99. Policy on that changed around the time I joined the staff as a Guide in August of 2013. It is not our responsibility to track down and return items lost due to players' own error. The chances of your account legitimately being hacked are extremely slim (<1%). The chances that you shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with someone, who then shared your info with two someones, until eventually it got to someone who stole everything is much more likely (>99%). I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.

One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

We have always restored deleted characters on both red and blue. That is an entirely different, and much more simple process.

2) That being said, while we may not return stolen items, we usually do ban the person who took them. This isn't always the case, as it's often extremely difficult to discern what happened in a given situation. I'm not going to give specifics, but this entire process can absolutely be used maliciously, and has in fact been used for this purpose in the past. That is why we are extremely careful in these situations and recommend not sharing your account information.

Also, we generally do reveal where the items went. I had thought I'd given you the players name in your petition thread. If that is not the case, re-petition, label it for me, and I will give you the name of the player who took your stuff when I have some time.

As a final thought, I truly am sorry to anyone who gets their stuff stolen. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, and even shittier to have it happen to you. But it's not something we're going to change policy on. If you don't want your stuff stolen, don't share your info! You may also want to avoid passwords like "12345" and "password". For ultimate protection, use an alpha-numeric password that includes capital letters and special characters in a random order. If that's too hard to remember, use a string of words in place of a single word (IE: "bobbarkerpunchedmyballs" is better than "testicles" or even "testiclepunch".

Good luck and please don't share your info if you continue to play here!


what a crock of crap. i didn't get to find out where most of my stuff went. The items you did tell me about where sitting on the toons that had taken them and you wouldn't return them either. I think this new policy is just a cop out because you would have had to punish lite/powered and it would have an impact on Azrael. I think you need to put an addendum in that post that states that results may vary based upon how we perceive the petitioner/ how well the perpetrator of the crime can weave a bull shit story about how justified they are in stealing the items.

[Eslade]

what a crock of crap. i didn't get to find out where most of my stuff went. The items you did tell me about where sitting on the toons that had taken them and you wouldn't return them either. I think this new policy is just a cop out because you would have had to punish lite/powered and it would have an impact on Azrael. I think you need to put an addendum in that post that states that results may vary based upon how we perceive the petitioner/ how well the perpetrator of the crime can weave a bull shit story about how justified they are in stealing the items.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/equipment/graphics13/fungi_covered_scale_tunic.JPG

[mostbitter]

post 2 more a cloak of flames bracer of hidden sash of dragon borne too

[derpcake]

You got a lot of nerve acting all self righteous after stealing from me. I hope you don't get aids.

I'd have taken your shit also, holding it while demanding you try to think before you act.

How is that lvl 30 epic war working out for you? Making an impact on the server daily?

This server is in a shitty state man, when I consider an idiot like you was geared that well, without ever being told how to act like you have an IQ above room temperature.

[Nothxu]

I appreciate the kind words from everyone. Here is the history from the petition forums.

Here was Derubael's responses to my original petition:

Couple things:

I still have my doubts that your account was legitimately hacked. I will look further into that side of this to be sure, but actual account hacks are exceedingly rare.

That being said, we don't discuss punishments with players who don't own the account that's been punished, unless that player agrees to the release of that information. Suffice it to say that nobody is running around playing with your items.

Lastly, I think I stated earlier in this thread that as a general rule, we simply don't reimburse items lost on Red 99. There are a number of reasons for this - for one, people shouldn't be sharing their info to begin with, and for two, I have no way of knowing what the circumstances were surrounding your gear being moved to another character. For all I know, in situations like this, someone could have told someone else to take the gear off their character specifically to get them banned. There are simply too many variables.

I know that you look at this situation and think it's clear cut, but it's not. We have to look at the big picture here, and if we start reimbursing items with you, we have to start doing it with everyone in the future. And in the past. Or else it's favortism. So getting you your items back opens a huge can of worms I am not inclined to deal with.

I will, however, still speak with Sirken and see what he thinks. If he's willing to deal with situations like this in the future, then maybe we can do something here. If not, I'm not going to be able to get your items back.

My response back:

Thanks for the quick response Derubael. Some quick points:

Maybe hacked isn't the right word, but someone may have been able to guess my password. The name of the account is the name of the monk, which could have been easy to guess. The password is something I frequently use in other games / forums / etc. Not the best system I know, and I have since changed passwords around, but that is the situation.

Thanks for the comment. It's good to know someone isn't running around in a level 20 in unrest with my T-staff and CoF and AoN killing new players in unrest.

The reasons for not reimbursing items makes sense, but I also know there have been characters that have been restored in the past. MellowYellow rings a bell there, and he wasn't someone who you would call a good influence to the server. I have been nothing but a positive influence to the server and had something really shitty happen to me.

Your responses help clear some things up. I hope you are able to make an exception in my case to the general rule. I think the items I lost are also top tier items, it's not like I am talking about a fbss etc here, which should warrant an exception. The pure time investment in the server I would hope is considered as well.

Thanks for speaking with Sirken about this. I really appreciate that. Please let me know what you all decide.

PS. For what it's worth, if you all decide to not reimburse the items, I will most likely stop playing on the server. I am telling you that simply so that you know this is a very big deal to me, simply too much time was invested in that stuff (I think I spent the most time server-wide camping the T-Staff before I got it, and was one of the last vets to get the AoN due to bad luck). It wouldn't be right to ask for those items again from the guild, and I don't think I have it in me to farm another T-Staff.

Derubael's Response:

I understand the frustration, and yes, in the distant past items stolen/stripped on red were reimbursed, but we haven't done one of those in many, many months - maybe even years.

It's just too much of a pain to sort out what's what. I'll still put it to Sirken to see what he says, but I would not expect anything different.

Sirken's Conclusion:

we looked into this and sadly theres nothing we can do about the items. also this is why we tell people not to share account info.

[Nothxu]

My problem with Derubael's response is that originally he told me in his response that nobody is running around playing with my items.

Then he says this:



One of the main issues here is that if your items have already been disseminated into the economy, we aren't going to then take those items off someone who legitimately purchased them with platinum. We also are not going to "dupe" the items by creating them once they've been sold. And again, even if the items have not been sold, it creates an inordinate amount of work for me (and I already have a long list of things to do every day) for a mistake that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

[derpcake]

My problem with Derubael's response is that originally he told me in his response that nobody is running around playing with my items.

Then he says this:

You can't just say they attained those items through scamming you directly.

I suggested you got some items from the dude that gets banned for stripping you.

Would you be ok with that as an alternative?

[Bazia]

who stripped u thats all that matters at this point

[Nothxu]

I'm fairly certain that your login history showed definitively that you had shared your info in the past, so this is likely what happened.



Did you actually look into this or are you just speculating? I am fine with you looking into it. It would help narrow things down.

I have also petitioned to get the name of the person who stripped it.

[Eslade]

Sucks dude, I hope that you don't use the same system in your bank account.

[mostbitter]

I know that you look at this situation and think it's clear cut, but it's not. We have to look at the big picture here, and if we start reimbursing items with you, we have to start doing it with everyone in the future. And in the past. Or else it's favortism. So getting you your items back opens a huge can of worms I am not inclined to deal with.



ding ding ding! this is why you aren't going to be helped.

[derpcake]

Did you actually look into this or are you just speculating? I am fine with you looking into it. It would help narrow things down.

I have also petitioned to get the name of the person who stripped it.

I'm going to take a wild guess, and guess that you shared your info with at least 1 person you trusted.

This person then shared your info with 20 others.

Don't loan out your wife.

[derpcake]

ding ding ding! this is why you aren't going to be helped.

No-one is helping you because you make stupid decisions.

[Nothxu]

You can't just say they attained those items through scamming you directly.

I suggested you got some items from the dude that gets banned for stripping you.

Would you be ok with that as an alternative?

That is what I expected from this. The person who stripped me gets banned, I find out who stripped me, and I receive my items back.

I did not expect my items to stay in circulation. I did not expect the person that stripped me to be protected. What purpose does that serve? It only encourages further stripping of accounts.

[mostbitter]

No-one is helping you because you make stupid decisions.

Such as? I don't even know who you are so I can't exactly believe you know what you're talking about.

[Tradesonred]

That is what I expected from this. The person who stripped me gets banned, I find out who stripped me, and I receive my items back.

I did not expect my items to stay in circulation. I did not expect the person that stripped me to be protected. What purpose does that serve? It only encourages further stripping of accounts.

Read deru's post he told you hed give you his name...

[mostbitter]

Refusing to track down my items really helped me and made the server a better place. I can see why they think this is the best policy.

[derpcake]

That is what I expected from this. The person who stripped me gets banned, I find out who stripped me, and I receive my items back.

I did not expect my items to stay in circulation. I did not expect the person that stripped me to be protected. What purpose does that serve? It only encourages further stripping of accounts.

You can't get your items back. They were sold, the buyers might not have been aware of the situation so it would be unfair to take items they payed for.

It would not be unfair to take items from the player that fucked you over, nor would it impact the economy as they should be perm-banned.

[derpcake]

Refusing to track down my items really helped me and made the server a batter place. I can see why they think this is the best policy.

You can stay mad and try to "grief" MM, or you can just delete your p1999 folder.

People outlevel you in a few hours anyway.

What you are doing is beyond pathetic. You are shit at pvp so you need epics+ to pvp some lowbies in MM.

You failed at p1999 like noone else.

[mostbitter]

If the real situation is that the buyer was in on it would you change your mind? This will be the new rule people use to their advantage to get away with stripping accounts.

[mostbitter]

You can stay mad and try to "grief" MM, or you can just delete your p1999 folder.

People outlevel you in a few hours anyway.

What you are doing is beyond pathetic. You are shit at pvp so you need epics+ to pvp some lowbies in MM.

You failed at p1999 like noone else.

i don't even know you and you're all over me. maybe my impact isn't as small as you would like it to be.

[Eslade]

Refusing to track down my items really helped me and made the server a better place. I can see why they think this is the best policy.

I agree with everything you just said. Not helping you also provided lots of entertainment via your river of tears.

[Swyft]

You can't get your items back. They were sold, the buyers might not have been aware of the situation so it would be unfair to take items they payed for.

It would not be unfair to take items from the player that fucked you over, nor would it impact the economy as they should be perm-banned.

how would it be unfair if you gave the player's there money back? lol that's just a minor inconvenience

[derpcake]

If the real situation is that the buyer was in on it would you change your mind? This will be the new rule people use to their advantage to get away with stripping accounts.

You're retarded bro, ain't nothing gonna change my mind on that.

I mean "underpants on head" stupid levels. Grats on sharing your info with people that "cared" about you.

Go kill some shit for xp, let me know when your balls drop and you can actually deal with the higher levels.

[derpcake]

how would it be unfair if you gave the player's there money back? lol that's just a minor inconvenience

It doesn't work like that.

You can join club Max bro.

[Pikrib]

I'm not one to bash on the GM's because they work so hard for us, but I call bull shit.
Other people have been gotten stolen items back recently Y not on this occasion?

[Eslade]

I'm not one to bash on the GM's because they work so hard for us, but I call bull shit.
Other people have been gotten stolen items back recently Y not on this occasion?

Derubael already said that they don't want to do it anymore because it's time consuming. I'm guessing they have other petitions to get to like who was first to engage or somebody ninja looted.

[Swyft]

It doesn't work like that.

You can join club Max bro.

oh it could and has worked like that in the past

[Gnomegrown]

joins nihilum

gets stripped

complains about it

not sure if srrs or dum

[Pikrib]

Derubael already said that they don't want to do it anymore because it's time consuming. I'm guessing they have other petitions to get to like who was first to engage or somebody ninja looted.

They did it for HB 4-5 months ago. What is different about this situation?

[HippoNipple]

Too much BS from GMs in these responses.

-Takes too long to find out what is going on... but we did already look into it long enough to know who else has logged into your character, where the items have gone and the items haven't left that place yet.

-If the items were dispersed into the community it is hard to be fair to anyone (already said items are not in use so they are not circulating, in a bank still.)

-If these items were traded to an innocent buyer that is just one extra trade. We are talking about 3-4 items here, big ticket items, they are not being traded a bunch and are easy to track.


If these items were stripped from Nothxu and sold to an innocent buyer then review what the buyer bought it for and reimburse him. It would have taken less time to do the right thing than do all these investigations and then write up long bogus responses to why you aren't going to do anything about it.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

who stripped u thats all that matters at this point

[HippoNipple]

Who stripped him is all that matters to you guys. To him that is only part of it. GMs need to get over whatever is holding them back and just do the right thing. Who knows what the real reason is for them not helping but putting that aside and helping out this guy that put in so much work into the server is the right thing to do.

If they can't find the time to help out someone like this they should just hang up their title as GM and move along. Nothing wrong with not having the time to volunteer but if you are in that position it doesn't help if you just frustrate people. As far as customer service work goes this should be at the top of the list.

[Mac Drettj]

he probably used same credentials on the nihilum forums

thats how they got mellowyellow credentials afaik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAikMz2sqYY&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1

[Kergan]

how would it be unfair if you gave the player's there money back? lol that's just a minor inconvenience

Doesn't really work that way. What if the seller then used that plat to buy things from 3 other people, who then used that money to buy things from a half dozen others each. Not a reasonable request to ask the CSRs to follow every platinum piece and where it went.

[Kergan]

I guarantee 90% of the petitions are over mob stealing on blue. Nothing that would cost them a population -1, just angry nerd raging over pixels.

I am sure you're right. But 10% of the petition queue on blue is probably close to the entire petition queue on red, which was sorta my point. Can you honestly say it's unreasonable that the CSRs divide up their time proportionally to population size?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Consider it cauterizing the wound. It's going to hurt but it's the right thing to do.

While this may be inconsistent with rulings in the past it could be the first step towards consistency in the future. The first person in the line to not make the cut.

Super shitty luck. If it happened to me I wouldn't be coming back but that's how it is.

/shrug

[Kergan]

I'd like to add the name and shame thing has been highly effective in the real world combating bad behavior. There is a reason you can look up things like house foreclosures, sex offenses and DWIs easily on government run websites.

[Swyft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAikMz2sqYY&feature=youtu.be&noredirect=1

LOL Yup, i mean we all know it was stripped by either Nizzar, Dullah, or Elderan, the 3 biggest scumbags on this box.

Sadly Nothx is in denial of it.

[Barladore]

This shit never happens in Azrael and every single one of us account shares..... Guild only with people whose company you enjoy, not those that are more likely to secure you pixels.

QFT

[Kergan]

Yeah except it has happened a bunch of times in Azrael. Aside from that yes it is a factual statement.

[georgie]

rip

[Stasis01]

he probably used same credentials on the nihilum forums

thats how they got mellowyellow credentials afaik[/url]

Mellowyellow was done by Ender, because Kaylea gave up Mellows info so Tehruoh(her RL BF) or w/e could get back into Nihi after he freaked out over something and left..

I was in TS trying to get Ender to stop the entire time.

[quido]

When Nizzar left blue finally to come to red he did a fantastic job of stripping some accounts and getting someone else (Durison) blamed for it.

[Smedy]

I mean, i see the point of gm's not wanting to take responsibility and time to track down the thieves but what good does that do for the server? it promotes a environment where you can't trust anyone, a very hostile environment where everyone is on edge, and whats even worse it keeps the thieves and shitty people around to do it again.

I say rewrite the rule, go detective work, ban the shit out of the thieves and restore the items to the owner and then just keep doing that, eventually you'll run out of thieves and the server will be a better place, imagine if nizzar was just permabanned from project 1999 as a whole when he stripped the shit from blue? red99 would be a completely different ball game right now.

Ofcourse this would only apply to "big item theft" you can't have gm's investigating why someone stripped a lockjaw hide tunic of someones character, u dig?

tldr: gm's should reconsider their policy for big item theft and find & ban the thieves

[Silent]

The main thing about this is what smedy and others said is 100% right, these are 'big items' not just in game plat wise. But if stolen for RMT they are HUNDREDS of dollars if not more most likely. Everyone understands that after gear has entered and changed hands through multiple transactions its impossible to get it all back and have everyone satisified and restored, but just the fact of a tstaff and an aon alone. a tstaff is probably 200-300k plat min, an AoN is somewhere in the 500k+ to priceless range if you even find one for sale? Someone who is stealing this shit isn't going to keep it and use it because if they get caught they lose out so its easier for them to RMT it or sell for plat and RMT/trade it to blue plat and RMT there.

Small items, not really a big deal. High priority valuable droppables like these? Yes I too think should be re considered on or at least talked about in open forum by the staff more. I can see where this for one leads a player who has invested a lot of time into the game to quitting for good because wtf wants to restart again after losing that type of gear? and it breeds more people who are going to do this, knowing GM's won't take action.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

What if the GMs stripped you just to instill a sense of distrust in the community as a way of curbing account sharing???

[derpcake]

The main thing about this is what smedy and others said is 100% right, these are 'big items' not just in game plat wise. But if stolen for RMT they are HUNDREDS of dollars if not more most likely.

Like I posted before, I had a 500pp and a 12k item ninjaed in group.

GM intervention nah.

Hard to stay classy when confronted with that shit as a newb.

I wonder what they DO spend time on. Besides driving their lambo's ofc.

[Genedin]

Deru said he knows who did it and would tell OP, did no one read his post? We just have to wait for OP to deliver name of the perp. Surely OP will deliver.

[Eslade]

Maybe the rat was in his house the whole time?

[Smedy]

ur snortling up a storm lately gyno, what the fuck are you brewing in your kettle dog, i kno ur up 2 no good

[derpcake]

Deru said he knows who did it and would tell OP, did no one read his post? We just have to wait for OP to deliver name of the perp. Surely OP will deliver.

Can I strip your accounts bro?

You'll know my name, so that will make up for it.

[Genedin]

didnt say it was ok or he shouldnt get his stuff back, but there are 20 posts about providing info for who did it, and the gm said he would already

[Aenor]

Did they ever find out what happened to Trav for real? Was his character restored?

I emailed Trav to ask if that's what really happened and he never responded, which makes me kinda suspect that is what happened.

[Tradesonred]

The right thing is not sharing your account info, or not using easily breakeable login and passwords

[Aenor]

As far as customer service work goes this should be at the top of the list.

You'd have to be fucking stupid to post this. You may not be aware, but work is something you get paid for.

Surely OP will deliver.

Nah OP gonna go Tina Turner and protect her abuser.

EDIT: Also, Sirken busy as fuck as evidenced by the fact that the ASOIAF thread in off topic is off the first page and Sirken hasn't commented on my epic critique of Robb Stark's strategy in invading the south.

[HippoNipple]

You'd have to be fucking stupid to post this. You may not be aware, but work is something you get paid for.



Getting paid for work has absolutely nothing to do with my post retard.

[Technique]

You'd have to be fucking stupid to post this. You may not be aware, but work is something you get paid for.You may not be aware, but volunteers (as in the volunteer support staff for these servers), by definition, agree to work of their own free will and without expectation of pay or reward.

[Eslade]

Getting paid for work has absolutely nothing to do with my post retard.

Actually it does. You're not a customer because you're not buying a product. Donating money doesn't make you a customer.

[Infectious]

You may not be aware, but volunteers (as in the volunteer support staff for these servers), by definition, agree to work of their own free will and without expectation of pay or reward.

[HippoNipple]

Actually it does. You're not a customer because you're not buying a product. Donating money doesn't make you a customer.

I never said anything about this being their job or us being their customers. You guys are retarded. I just said this should be at the top of the list of things CS volunteers should look at. Who gives a shit how fast they get to it?

[karsten]

well

at least the guy who was given power to wield arbitrarily is being consistant

in this and also in other issues

[Eunomia]

That's the thing. I don't think anyone had my information. My password was not as strong as it should have been (which is definitely one of my take aways from this situation), so someone could have maybe GUESSED it, but that is a lot of work.


You know what happened, and it wasn't a lot of "work" for the offender.

Don't share information. This is NOT our fault.

I realize some of you are jumping on the band wagon, but I'd recommend jumping off when no one is looking.

[Doors]

Rekt.

[Eslade]

You know what happened, and it wasn't a lot of "work" for the offender.

Don't share information. This is NOT our fault.

I realize some of you are jumping on the band wagon, but I'd recommend jumping off when no one is looking.

http://cdn1.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0813/funny-wasted-gifs-goat.gif

[Pikrib]

You know what happened, and it wasn't a lot of "work" for the offender.

Don't share information. This is NOT our fault.

I realize some of you are jumping on the band wagon, but I'd recommend jumping off when no one is looking.

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n573/credorosa/fan_bandwagon_clean1_zps6d1088d4.gif

[R Flair]

You know what happened, and it wasn't a lot of "work" for the offender.

Don't share information. This is NOT our fault.

I realize some of you are jumping on the band wagon, but I'd recommend jumping off when no one is looking.

thanks for your input and presentation of the facts that lead you to this conclusion

[Sektor]

thanks for your input and presentation of the facts that lead you to this conclusion

Eunmonia pretty hardcore, wouldn't wanna mess with her, wish she'd do her job tho! :)

[Not_Kazowi]

Eunmonia pretty hardcore, wouldn't wanna mess with her, wish she'd do her job tho! :)

Wish she'd do her job? Last I checked these GMs didn't get paid to "work" here. Show some respect you little coward

[Sektor]

Wish she'd do her job? Last I checked these GMs didn't get paid to "work" here. Show some respect you little coward


Rexx doesn't care tho, still makes 50+ posts a day

[mugien]

Rekt.

[mostbitter]

Gm's got time to come say that nonsense but won't comment on the inconsistent nature in which they choose to implement this policy, or why Heartbrand seems to have received special treatment(on numerous occasions), while the rest of us get served hot plates of policy.

[Pikrib]

Gm's got time to come say that nonsense but won't comment on the inconsistent nature in which they choose to implement this policy, or why Heartbrand seems to have received special treatment(on numerous occasions), while the rest of us get served hot plates of policy.

I believe that your case was differant because your account was whored out more than Genedens wife's picture.

Nothxu said his account has never been whored out, but I think what Eunonia is infering is that the account info was infact given out.

Status: Waiting for Nothxu's response.

[Not_Kazowi]

Rexx doesn't care tho, still makes 50+ posts a day

This isn't about me bud

You of all people should be respecting the GMs

[Derubael]

Gm's got time to come say that nonsense but won't comment on the inconsistent nature in which they choose to implement this policy, or why Heartbrand seems to have received special treatment(on numerous occasions), while the rest of us get served hot plates of policy.

Your case happened before I became a GM and set this policy in stone. I have already stated that I would not retroactively apply new policy to old situations.

thanks for your input and presentation of the facts that lead you to this conclusion

We aren't allowed to share information that was posted in the petition forum unless we have permission from the account holder. Suffice it to say that his account was not hacked, and it was accessed and stripped as a result of his own actions.

You may not be aware, but volunteers (as in the volunteer support staff for these servers), by definition, agree to work of their own free will and without expectation of pay or reward.

We are following policy to the letter. As in, doing our jobs. If you don't like the policy, don't share your account information and you won't have to worry about it. Or don't play here. Either one works for me.

As far as customer service work goes this should be at the top of the list.

...What? Why? I'd much rather put the people who lose their items due to server bugs/errors, or are legitimately fucked over in a situation that was completely out of control at the top of my list, rather than spend a ton of time sorting out what happened in an account strip that could have easily been prevented by smart security practices. The bottom line is that if you share account information and get stripped, it's your fault. Why should we take time away from the people who have problems outside of their control to help people who fucked themselves over? There are already plenty of "legit" petitions that need to be dealt with - I'm not going to set aside extra time for people who don't take our advice about their accounts.

I think I stated this before, but this whole "account strip/stolen items" thing can be abused as well. It's simply not our responsibility to take care of this. Go read the Play Nice Policy regarding fraud to familiarize yourself with procedure.

Nothxu got his response as to who stole his gear. I'm closing this thread. If he wants to name and shame, he can make a new one.