Resists shouldnt work like Rallos, at least at low levels

[Heyitsme]

Allrite, so im over the fact this server will never have item loot

But dont make twinks out to grief nakeds super powerful

My group of 4 just got destroyed by 2 twinks rapidly in Crushbone

Give the new blood a chance to fight back

That is all

[Stasis01]

Meh just out level them with the bonus, you won't out dmg a fungi at level 8 with spells landing heh.

[Heyitsme]

http://s29.postimg.org/cac2md8sn/twinks.jpg

Doesnt hurt not giving them any kind of edge either

[Bazia]

twinking is classic

deal with it

[Heyitsme]

twinking is classic

deal with it

Never risking any items going out to grief nakeds isnt the classic ive experienced on Rallos

[Stasis01]

See I find in high end it's too harsh, but super fun in lowbie/mid level range.

It could be fun to have item loot under 30 to try to get people to work against twinks, and make low level pvp exciting and it's own type of beast. Maybe even under 40.

Could possibly at both times take on the twinking issue with the boredom of low level PVP and lack of low level community all at the same time.

Or it could backfire - either way at level 60 losing COF's and fucking Fungi's and shit that most people want to use is annoying. Even losing a diamond ring would be devastating to the point where I wouldn't want to PVP with any gear on and just roll a no drop wizard.

[Gaffin 7.0]

thats the point, no drop gear pvp is skill

[Stasis01]

I'm cool with it - maybe even like under 50 in oldworld zones is item loot haha, none of this shit will happen - but you'd have like a high endish Kunark realistic scene and a classic itemloot box in one !

The problem is when Velious drops and neckbeards just gear their twinks out in fucking no drops everything - people always kill shit.

[Bazia]

there is no twink issue

there are twinks it aint a big deal

[Gaffin 7.0]

most of those cb twinks were made in spite of abual then started liking it themselves so they got nothing else to do or are from nilly and mad at life

but yeah its not really a big issue

op is a crybaby

[Potus]

Never risking any items going out to grief nakeds isnt the classic ive experienced on Rallos

You're never going to get their items.

[Rec]

Seems like a a lot fake outrage for a "chance" to fight back

[Concave]

See I find in high end it's too harsh, but super fun in lowbie/mid level range.

It could be fun to have item loot under 30 to try to get people to work against twinks, and make low level pvp exciting and it's own type of beast. Maybe even under 40.

Could possibly at both times take on the twinking issue with the boredom of low level PVP and lack of low level community all at the same time.

This genuinely seems like a great suggestion IMO.

[Heyitsme]

This genuinely seems like a great suggestion IMO.

Coupled with a decent custom low level no drop set to give noobs a chance to at least keep some of their shit, i could see this being a good idea.

[Concave]

Yeah that was my only concern.

Don't wanna depress people with nothing by taking all they have, although obv the stakes for them would be much lower than for the twinks. Requires a serious culture change to make that matter though.

[Heyitsme]

most of those cb twinks were made in spite of abual then started liking it themselves so they got nothing else to do or are from nilly and mad at life

but yeah its not really a big issue

op is a crybaby

Yeah with obvious names like LeDuke and loyaldukesman griefing noobs in CB, they are definitely ex-nihis and not manchilds thinking their wanker trolling isnt transparent, thanks for your thoughtful input and great detective work though Sherlock.

[Eslade]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/Misha77/snoring.gif

[Heyitsme]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/Misha77/snoring.gif

Yeah a big part of established peeps here dont give a shit, 2 hardcore 4 u, tell me something i dont know. Thats why the server needs new blood.

[Mac Drettj]

item loot 1-30 only

[Rec]

item loot 50-60 only since it such a wonderful feature. Let the people who can truly appreciate it enjoy this.

I see no reasoning that a lvl 15 character, losing gear to a twink that an entire group of legitimate new players aren't able to kill, would make them appreciate item loot.

[Heyitsme]

item loot 50-60 only since it such a wonderful feature. Let the people who can truly appreciate it enjoy this.

I see no reasoning that a lvl 15 character, losing gear to a twink that an entire group of legitimate new players aren't able to kill, would make them appreciate item loot.

The idea is twinks cant kamikaze in a group of 5 newbs without risking something.

But i dont want to get too much into item loot as i dont think it will happen, not far after velious anyway.

Until then, non-classic resists where twinks can get rooted at least for low levels would help level the playing field a bit.

Keep in mind im not aware of what the actual rate is right now, but remember a resist patch being in the works, dont know if it happened or what

[Concave]

Would be more proactive and useful to focus on the guild in Guilds forum for fighting the twink PKs.

[Clark]

Resists are broken on red and blue. Need a dev who cares to fix please. Countless unearned deaths experienced across Norrath by all. Haynar said he'd fix it weeks ago, and nothings even been done sense. Had 4 calm resists in a row today on blue with my 60 ench.:( Greencons still resisting lifetaps.

[Doors]

Get the fuck out of gfay/crushbone/MM/unrest and go level somewhere else.

All you morons do is bitch because people park twinks in the most crowded areas for PVP.

ERRR DURRR DEEEERRRR 50 other zones to exp in bros. Try them.

[Concave]

Dude that is not an answer.

Pre-29 people cannot just ship to a new zone.

[mischief419]

With LnS policies, I don't think griefers are a big deal on this server. The griefers are full twinks, so they do NOT want to get banned and lose all their gear and time.

LnS policy = no worries about griefers. Just take the death, then LnS. You aren't FORCED to hunt in popular zones, you know (cb, unrest, mm..)

[Concave]

See my prior post.

These people cannot easily relocate.

You're talking 2+ hours time to go somewhere else.

They do not regularly have 29+ or 34+ porters.

[Rec]

I see someone in chat every day complaining about someone not following the supposed LnS policy. So the idea that its "no worries" would be not accurate.

[Heyitsme]

I see someone in chat every day complaining about someone not following the supposed LnS policy. So the idea that its "no worries" would be not accurate.

Not only that, ive been leveling toons for 2 days now and you rarely see anyone in the starting zones. As soon as you ask for a group in OOC someone logs in a twink and fucks with you. Which is cool, its a pvp server, all im saying is devs should keep this in mind when and if they implement that resist patch.

[Nihilist_santa]

Just allow fear to be damn near unresistable like it was on live and the non-twinks could actually stand a chance. I was a bit blown away at that being disabled here. Seems server favors melee for some reason. You didnt have some of this crap on live due to the "broken" mechanics yet they tweaked some of that crap here for some reason that being new to red I still don't comprehend. Would make those twinks think twice about attacking a group of noobs if all of their "uber" pixels were negated with a fear spell.

[Bazia]

fear being a thing is retarded

i really hope ur just trolling

[Nihilist_santa]

fear being a thing is retarded

i really hope ur just trolling

Well obviously twinks like yourself would have a problem with it which is why it is a good idea. It was totally classic and yet amazingly the servers thrived and pvp happened with a mix of classes. Then again we could just make everyone roll melee since resist are so jacked that i would rather get feared all over the zone than just lay down and die since my entire arsenal is negated.

[daasgoot]

the problem isn't twinked people attacking noobs.

the problem is the twinked assholes griefing noobs.

Knights Templar is a good example. they are scum.

they clear full groups of new players trying to EXP. When KT logs in you see the zone quickly go from 8 ppl to 1 person in zone.

Last night i logged in, noticed only 1 in zone (KT). Fortunately i was OOR so i sat at entrance to med up and start killing. Of course, this guy pulls a huge train on top of me in an attempt to kill me. I zoned with 20% hp. I then watch him camp, and within 1 minute another KT twink logs in(same fukin guy) and tries to finish me off. This is the shit that drives people away from the server.

[tedsternator]

Add in item loot make there a reason for groups to fight back

Item loot 4 lyfe

[Clark]

Add in item loot make there a reason for groups to fight back

Item loot 4 lyfe

[Rec]

I don't think there is a problem with groups having a reason to fight back. They already have that, it's called not losing the place it took them 2 hours to set up. The real reason to fight back would be that you have any chance at all to win. That's a reason

[xblade724]

Not only that, ive been leveling toons for 2 days now and you rarely see anyone in the starting zones. As soon as you ask for a group in OOC someone logs in a twink and fucks with you. Which is cool, its a pvp server, all im saying is devs should keep this in mind when and if they implement that resist patch.

This is MORE than true. People whose names, that will be censored, F*porti / Overd*e, cough, play 24/7 and are RL vampires who do not eat, sleep, or smile:

The MOMENT OOC is shouted for a group, they simply log on their 50k worth delvld griefers and , well, grief! I remember there was a good period that I would literally add all of the griefers to my "friends" list and if they were online in any form (that I knew of), I wouldnt OOC. I mean personally, I've found a way to deal with it (just fight them without plug -- after that, they are satisfied, know you have no coin, will probably call LnS, and will move on). I'm more worried about the new players coming from blue.

HOWEVER, I did notice that both of these griefers (perhaps other griefers too I'm unaware of) seem to 100% follow the LnS policy -- which I will admit.

I think I'm against the OP's philosophy, however, LnS policy does need to be taken more seriously or people will just go "pff no one gets banned for this anyway". You see people spam ooc "LNS LNS LNS" and 1 min later you see YT.

[Portasaurus]

Knights Templar

Love love LOVE wasting these scrubs' time.

"No soup for you motherfuckers!"

/point
/rude
/laugh

"Come 'n get me!"

lol

[Mac Drettj]

enable player verse player charm please

classic

[Nihilist_santa]

^ exactly this guy gets it. Stop making some classes fight with one hand tied behind their back its already an uphill battle against resist and gear. This is why a hands off policy should be adopted allow training etc. Bring on the wild west that red should be. Id fight any twink any time of the day if I wasn't being forced to sandbag when it comes to use of game mechanics.

[Swyft]

Just allow fear to be damn near unresistable like it was on live and the non-twinks could actually stand a chance. I was a bit blown away at that being disabled here. Seems server favors melee for some reason. You didnt have some of this crap on live due to the "broken" mechanics yet they tweaked some of that crap here for some reason that being new to red I still don't comprehend. Would make those twinks think twice about attacking a group of noobs if all of their "uber" pixels were negated with a fear spell.

Fear and Charm were disabled in PvP before Kunark, lol what your proposing would destroy high end PvP to solve twink issues lmfao.

[Nirgon]

Never risking any items going out to grief nakeds isnt the classic ive experienced on Rallos

[Mac Drettj]

Fear and Charm were disabled in PvP before Kunark, lol what your proposing would destroy high end PvP to solve twink issues lmfao.

I want to say I was /dueling people in ec tunnel with a Bard on Tarew Marr and charming them into Shady/Bubar during Kunark

but not sure

[heartbrand]

Charm was disabled pretty early and I believe there's patch notes to support that

[Potus]

Having a twinked out noob with no drop gear was super classic. Sorry item loot people, Verant even had to nerf guys who deleveled epic chars and had absurd 1hand slash and attack ratings.

This is a dumb thread, people want to make the developers change the entire fucking game because they're running into PVP in crushbone. Go level somewhere else if you don't want to get killed.

[heartbrand]

Pvp level range is 4. It takes like an hour to out level a twink griefer.

[toolshed]

^ exactly this guy gets it. Stop making some classes fight with one hand tied behind their back its already an uphill battle against resist and gear. This is why a hands off policy should be adopted allow training etc. Bring on the wild west that red should be. Id fight any twink any time of the day if I wasn't being forced to sandbag when it comes to use of game mechanics.

Sullon Zek is the only pvp ruleset to go with. One of the reasons I play on blue (I used to play on SZ) is that the ruleset on r99 blows

[Bazia]

if training was allowed you would just have level 50+ monks training unrest and mm all day

this santa dude needs to wander back to blue he's been wrong with just about every single thing hes posted

[toolshed]

if training was allowed you would just have level 50+ monks training unrest and mm all day

this santa dude needs to wander back to blue he's been wrong with just about every single thing hes posted

Yup - on SZ a single bard could bring an entire guild to its knees for months, holding their progression ransom for pp/items/whatever. I know because I had it done to me, as well as doing it to other guilds.

[Azure]

I miss the endless posts about MR and root and mez.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

See my prior post.

These people cannot easily relocate.

You're talking 2+ hours time to go somewhere else.

They do not regularly have 29+ or 34+ porters.

This is EVERquest not Quickiequest. Shit, you might as well call this game FOReverquest. A 2 hr boat ride is part of the experience. Brell knows I've done it a dozen times on red already. I even LD on the boat and swam back.

If I didnt like it...I'd be playing WOW

[Heyitsme]

Having a twinked out noob with no drop gear was super classic. Sorry item loot people, Verant even had to nerf guys who deleveled epic chars and had absurd 1hand slash and attack ratings.

This is a dumb thread, people want to make the developers change the entire fucking game because they're running into PVP in crushbone. Go level somewhere else if you don't want to get killed.

Not everyone did that, i saw a fair amount of loot drops when twinks went down

and lol @ want the devs to change the entire game, its a small tweak to the current group xp mechanic

Pvp level range is 4. It takes like an hour to out level a twink griefer.

One hour 4 levels, lol. Whens the last time you went out and got pick up groups HB

Theres this group right now in CB, been at it for 2 hours, bard aoeing with a high level helping

http://s3.postimg.org/lnsbozote/gtfo.jpg

See what theyre doing, ok sure 1 hour 4 levels realistic for naked new bloods starting

Anyhow my problem isnt with if its slow or not, its that its too much of a step from solo to duo, makin people not plow through for longer until they find a group

[Haynar]

enable player verse player charm please

classic

And Fear!

Why is pvp charm disabled?

H

[Eslade]

Dunno if it still works this way but in live blue servers you could fear someone during a duel and anybody could jump in and attack your opponent. Good times.

[Potus]

Not everyone did that, i saw a fair amount of loot drops when twinks went down

and lol @ want the devs to change the entire game, its a small tweak to the current group xp mechanic


You want all spells to land on lowbies. You want item loot. You want a set of no drop gear given to all noobies.

Those aren't small tweaks at all, and they're likely to really screw with the game in a lot of ways you're not imagining, like for example said 2 twinks rooting you and then murdering you and taking whatever nice item you have away.

I really don't know what you want here except to not die in Crushbone, which next to Unrest and City of Mist is the griefiest zone in the game. There's other cool places to level, and I know it's hard to find friends early on because I had to start here too all alone, but there's an entire guild devoted to griefing people there, it's probably not a great place to level right now.

[Heyitsme]

You want all spells to land on lowbies. You want item loot. You want a set of no drop gear given to all noobies.

Those aren't small tweaks at all, and they're likely to really screw with the game in a lot of ways you're not imagining, like for example said 2 twinks rooting you and then murdering you and taking whatever nice item you have away.


Whoa there chief. Im just saying unrootable twinks like on Rallos shouldnt be a thing here since they never risk anything.

I said in the op item loot is not happening, i just replied to someone that talked about it, like, ok in theory if wed have item loot, then id add some lowbie no drop to compensate.


Those aren't small tweaks at all, and they're likely to really screw with the game in a lot of ways you're not imagining, like for example said 2 twinks rooting you


I dont see how that matters as if you are a newb you dont have any resist gear anyway

[Swyft]

And Fear!

Why is pvp charm disabled?

H

It was disabled less than 4 months after classic launch, WHY because two necro's would roll around killing everyone. LOL Charm is worse, say I'm a enchanter and I'm in SRO someone comes in I Rapture and throw feedback on them, then I throw them into Andad Fila. His first swing deals dmg off the dmg shield, Now the bard is summoning and locked onto argo with the charmed person. Or better yet I'm lvl 12 in Freeport waiting at zoneline, someone enter's I charm them and throw them into entrance guards, and zone after they die, and I do it again, and again, and again! you get the picture.

I mean you can add it, and I'd have a ball with it, but everyone would cry to nerf it in less then 2 hours of you adding it, and Me and Runya would grief off half of Red in a single day with exp loss. LOL ever see what happens when you fear a player in sebs lol neither have I but I'm sure it's allot of fun.

Now you should be able to fear ALL pet's which you currently can't and that was always allowed.

[Haynar]

All pets should be fearable in pvp?

Tell me more Obi Wan....

Find me some more info on that.

[Swyft]

All pets should be fearable in pvp?

Tell me more Obi Wan....

Find me some more info on that.

I don't know if it show's in lucy or what not, but currently you only allow Spook the Dead to be cast on pet's and that only work's on necro pet's. Mage's and Necro's had to be real careful in dungeons because it was pretty common for a fear class to try and fear your pet and start a train.

But it was pretty much common knowledge on Red server's that Fear was always used on pet's. I used to play a Necro and I always went for the fear on a mage pet's. Tried it here and was like WTF man.

Both charm and Fear were cast-able on Pet's but Charm would just Poof the pet, like you hit go away, meanwhile Fear worked as intended.

The guy at the bottom of this page mentions charm-poofing pets which was something every enchanter did to a mage in pvp http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7812


lotta good reference material here

http://www.tski.co.jp/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=everquest&query=pvp&whence=0

It clearly shows that pvp charm/fear was still in effect sep 13th 1999, sadly no patch notes mention charm on pets but I'm sure players here can confirm the charm-poof and fear always working on pet's.

[Potus]

Pets never resisted fear on live, until they added that stupid Mage pet spell and Spec pets finally got invuln.

Until then, super easy to fear pets, caused tons of trains, could get banned if a GM saw it and thought you were doing it to be a jerk.

[Kergan]

Fear and charm were disabled on live because they were almost always used to cause exp loss in some fashion, which far outweighed their legitimate use in PVP.

[Mac Drettj]

Fearing pets working as intended (have not tried to fear a mage pet inawhile).

I.e. The fear lands on pets.

[Stasis01]

epic pet should have good MR imo, I could never just root/fear that thing like here.

[Mac Drettj]

mage pet was easily rootable last time i fought against one (long time ago)

I think there was a epic pet buff since but not sure/care to search

[Nirgon]

We're far past the time line for fear and charm working in pvp anyways.

It was fixed well before Kunark.

Those luls will never have their moment in the sun.

[Potus]

Best exp loss was fearing dudes out of the bank in Kelethin. Right off the ledge and plummeting to their deaths.

[Kergan]

I dunno, charm+thorns in Misty thicket with a druid charming a bear was pretty loltastic. I can just imagine the look on the faces of people when they are sitting safely behind the guards, a bear attacks them and they immediately get rolled by the guards for no apparent reason.

[Beastro]

Never risking any items going out to grief nakeds isnt the classic ive experienced on Rallos

Doing so being a naked troll with a rusty 2 hander and ruling Nektulos with an iron fist was mine.

[Potus]

I dunno, charm+thorns in Misty thicket with a druid charming a bear was pretty loltastic. I can just imagine the look on the faces of people when they are sitting safely behind the guards, a bear attacks them and they immediately get rolled by the guards for no apparent reason.

I always wondered how that worked, from a coding standpoint. Why did NPCs assist in attacking? So weird. Priest of Discord was fantastic for this. (http://www.notaddicted.com/fansy3.php)

[Bazia]

I always wondered how that worked, from a coding standpoint. Why did NPCs assist in attacking? So weird. Priest of Discord was fantastic for this. (http://www.notaddicted.com/fansy3.php)

Funny thing on that page:

[Thu Jun 06 14:09:42 2002] Nilbog has been slain by Priest of Discord!

[Potus]

Funny thing on that page:

[Thu Jun 06 14:09:42 2002] Nilbog has been slain by Priest of Discord!

LOL oh no not Nilbog.

[Kergan]

I always wondered how that worked, from a coding standpoint. Why did NPCs assist in attacking? So weird. Priest of Discord was fantastic for this. (http://www.notaddicted.com/fansy3.php)

Guards were faction based, and if you had the same faction level they'd attack whoever started the fight. If you put thorns on someone and pet attacked them, for some reason the thorns would register agro and the pet attacking would not. So to the guards, it appeared that the innocent player was initiating combat with the druid with charm pet.

I agree it was very odd, you'd think if they decided to make pets not generate PVP agro on the owner, at the very least attacking that pet wouldn't generate agro either. But it was one of those fun little things, the thicket was a bloodbath.

It was also fun when disarm made your weapon fall on the ground if it was droppable (which almost all were when it still did that). Silverious the wood elf rogue got us a lot of nice weapons off her victims back in the day. :)

[Swyft]

I would rather they had the amended Guard Faction rules in place. these allowed for player's to control certain zone area's based on Factions.

The Guards would only attack the player with the lowest faction, if both player's had maxed faction they ignored them both.

[Nirgon]

Ya I forgot about that

So much to tune up, jeebis

[Potus]

Guards were faction based, and if you had the same faction level they'd attack whoever started the fight. If you put thorns on someone and pet attacked them, for some reason the thorns would register agro and the pet attacking would not. So to the guards, it appeared that the innocent player was initiating combat with the druid with charm pet.

I agree it was very odd, you'd think if they decided to make pets not generate PVP agro on the owner, at the very least attacking that pet wouldn't generate agro either. But it was one of those fun little things, the thicket was a bloodbath.

It was also fun when disarm made your weapon fall on the ground if it was droppable (which almost all were when it still did that). Silverious the wood elf rogue got us a lot of nice weapons off her victims back in the day. :)

Yeah it was a very peculiar bug, I recall people doing a similar thing by charming a bat and then attacking the guards with it. The Priest of Discord would then proceed to murder the guards, spamming You Fool while other guards respawned and jumped in.

And yeah disarm was hilarious early on. There was a bug that allowed monks to disarm while feigned, too. Soooo awesome.

The funniest part of that Fansy link is how the GM shows up and is perplexed by the bug. How could he not have known about it on a PvP server like Sullon?