Pally Weapons - Religion

[SleepIncarnate]

Ok, so I'm debating making a pally soon, and curious to see what the difference, gear wise, the various races and religions factor in. I know from the 1999 wiki that Erudites get some unique to them gear to help make up the difference in strength and stamina, and that High/Half Elf worshipers of Tunare get Nature's Defender. Is there anything else decent? Like is there dwarf specific stuff out there, or stuff only for followers of Mithaniel Marr?

[Colgate]

nothing comes close to dwarf stats

don't make the mistake of making a non-dwarf

[khanable]

Dwarf cultural, though not specific to only dwarfs. Dwarven platemail.

Humans get field plate armor that can be deity specific.

[kaev]

Dwarf cultural, though not specific to only dwarfs. Dwarven platemail.

Humans get field plate armor that can be deity specific.

Doesn't work for Paladins. Erollisi Marr, Rodcet Nife, and Karana imbues work out decent for Cleric (wis primary). Rallos Zek imbue works for Warrior (str primary, sta secondary), but you can't be a Rallos Paladin. Mithaniel Marr appears to work for Paladin, until you notice that it requires imbued diamond, simply not worth the cost.

If you want to minmax, go dorf and be despised. If you want the Velious pseudo-epic, go High-Elf or Half-Elf and follow Tunare. If you want to look good go Erudite or Half-Elf. If you want to be able to use the best Paladin one-hander out of Sky go Erudite or Human (Paladin is the only class screwed by race-restricted Sky quest rewards, WTH? oh well, at least the damned dorf munchkins can't use it.) If you want to have fun and get groups post-50, roll another class or wait until the XP penalty goes away and all the scumsucking minmax-munchkins will start shunning the Warriors they love today for the Knights they'll love tomorrow.

[Pullyn]

Roll an Erudite and pras the Ocean lord yall. Prexus 4 lyfe.

[Tuljin]

Brell Dwarf is best stats by far and great cultural gear - Sky racial excluded quest sword doesn't even matter because the Bixie Sword Blade is way better than what you turn it in for, and Dwarf can equip it just fine.

[Potus]

Roll an Erudite and pras the Ocean lord yall. Prexus 4 lyfe.

This man knows what he is talking about.

[Daldaen]

Half-Elf. Tunare.

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[williestargell]

That sword is equal to or better than epic and practically born into a tunare worshipper's hands once hate revamp is in.

High Elf imo though is better than Half. Half elf wisdom is crap and paladins do need mana.

[Daldaen]

That sword is equal to or better than epic and practically born into a tunare worshipper's hands once hate revamp is in.

High Elf imo though is better than Half. Half elf wisdom is crap and paladins do need mana.

They need STR too and High Elf STR is terra bad. A high elf in plate is permanently encumbered.

[Vega]

Doesn't work for Paladins. Erollisi Marr, Rodcet Nife, and Karana imbues work out decent for Cleric (wis primary). Rallos Zek imbue works for Warrior (str primary, sta secondary), but you can't be a Rallos Paladin. Mithaniel Marr appears to work for Paladin, until you notice that it requires imbued diamond, simply not worth the cost.

The secondary stats for EM and RN are CHA and STA respectively. Neither of which are useless for pallies.

[williestargell]

Paladins need HP, AC, Mana - nothing else matters. Str does not matter at level 60, you will not be encumbered even as a high elf. You shouldn't face encumbrance issues beyond level 20 or 25 as you start getting gear and buying WR bags.

[Daldaen]

Paladins need HP, AC, Mana - nothing else matters. Str does not matter at level 60, you will not be encumbered even as a high elf. You shouldn't face encumbrance issues beyond level 20 or 25 as you start getting gear and buying WR bags.

Half-Elves have better STA, AGI and DEX as well. An extra heal in your mana bar or an extra 3 stuns in your mana bar isn't worth going through 50-55 levels permanently encumbered, likely causing several deaths due to your inability to flee quickly.

Without having to try to get enough AGI or STA to hit soft caps is nice as a half elf as just standard gear gets you there. Plus a decent amount of paladin gear will give you wisdom anyways.

[kaev]

The secondary stats for EM and RN are CHA and STA respectively. Neither of which are useless for pallies.

WIS (primary on both) is actually very weak for a paladin. Mana regen (which you can't improve unless you get buffed or sit down) matters a lot but size of manapool doesn't matter much. Unlike a Cleric or an Enchanter the depth of a Paladin's manapool is not decisive for your group surviving a nasty overpull. CHA is even weaker, you don't paci pull often and its only value is reducing risk of critical fail on that. A little bit of STA isn't enough to make the armor worth the price for a Paladin.

You can do better cheaper, unless it's an RP thing there's no point in human cultural for a paladin. But if you really want to spend the pp, I'll be happy to sell you a suit.

[Tuljin]

Mana pool is completely unnecessary on Blue for a Paladin. Stun and Holy Might only cost 35 and 60 mana, respectively. They are very low mana cost for how effective they are. Root is also very low mana. You are really only worried about healing yourself most of the time, unless you need to get someone else in a pinch. When its an "oh shit" pull, thats what Lay on Hands is for, and on the right party member it will completely change the tide of battle. STA, DEX, and STR are the chief stats for a Paladin.

CHA is nice but secondary, you can wear a ton of Star Ruby jewelry for DEX/CHA increases when you need it (also Fennin Ro gear if you can get it) If you're a good Paladin you will be using Calm pulls quite often.

Dwarf has low CHA, but is quickly made up when you throw on the proper gear for Calm pulls. Dwarf does have the highest starting point totals for the most important stats, and when I rolled I realized that a class that already has lower skill point caps than non-Hybrids would benefit greatly from high base stats. Nature's Defender is nice, but its not quite as good as the Epic.

It seems that theres a lot of hot air around about Paladin strengths and weaknesses, and lots of wrong opinions. Its funny because its by far the least played class on the server, and not because its "weak" and carries an XP penalty, but because you can't rely solely on expensive gear and auto-attack to be effective.

[Colgate]

p sure you can't bash with nature's defender

[Daldaen]

p sure you can't bash with nature's defender

This is basically the only reason to get the epic. Against non casters though, ND is boss. That 45 AC is hot.

[kaev]

If you're a good Paladin you will be using Calm pulls quite often.


Let me introduce you to Project 1999, where you can't take 3 steps in any dungeon without tripping over 16 iksar monks, 14 of whom are twinked with a fungi tunic, all of whom are expecting to pull.

Let me introduce you to Project 1999, where 9 out of 10 dungeon groups are so overgeared that they get angry if the next pull isn't started while there are still at least two mobs in camp.

Once in a while I'll paci-pull to make it easier to break a particularly ugly looking camp. "Quite often" has a far different meaning from "once in a while" in my lexicon.

On live I paci-pulled a ton, and hated it when I out-levelled the usefulness of Pacify and could no longer pull for my group. Here? People don't usually have the patience to wait for Harmony and that's multi-target so only one spell cast, waiting for pacify to refresh will drive the munchkins into an ADHD-fuelled raging revolt.

[Daldaen]

I will confirm I don't have the patience for single pulls. Mainly because of the reasons you state. People are so overgeared, there isn't any reason for it.

Also for the reason that root and mez can easily be utilized to CC mobs. Being an enchanter in a group that only pulls singles or doubles is so damn boring. Even being a rooting class it is boring getting single pulls.

Come Velious when mobs hit a lot harder, less can be mezzed, etc... Pulling will be more important. But currently on this server, single pulling is such a time waster unless you're doing something like single pulling Overking or Queen in Chardok without clearing the room.

[Potus]

Half-Elf. Tunare.

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Yeah that's a really good weapon, it's a shame Erudites get nothing similar when Odus gets revamped.

[Tuljin]

Let me welcome you to Project 1999, where there are a million overgeared monks but you will only see them in KC and Seb. Its incredible that in Hole and HS there is usually barely anybody and the zone is wide open. Because one of the challenges of the paladin is the fact that none of the LCY nubs want to group with you is because of your XP penalty and the fact that you don't have the same damage output, I got most of my XP duo with a Rogue and we'd end up picking up a person or two here and there. Now in the 50s we will do trio or four man.

When you want to move the XP bar you don't always have the luxury of an Enc in your party, especially in low frequented zones. Especially when you are getting levels you will be doing a combination of root pulls and mez pulls. So I would count that as "quite often"

There is also a huge difference between "single pull" and "chain pull." If you're a good Paladin you'll use your entire toolset to make sure your group is in mulch mode, no matter your group composition.

[Potus]

You think Monks are bad now just wait until Velious. :(

[Tuljin]

Just wait until Velious - which has been "coming out in 3 months" for the past two years lol

[sox7d]

If you want to have fun and get groups post-50, roll another class or wait until the XP penalty goes away and all the scumsucking minmax-munchkins will start shunning the Warriors they love today for the Knights they'll love tomorrow.

Tunare bless you, kaev...

[SleepIncarnate]

Also, Dwarves are ugly. I do not wanna play a bearded lady, thank you very much.

[Potus]

Just wait until Velious - which has been "coming out in 3 months" for the past two years lol

Any minute we'll both be in Thurgadin. Keep the faith buddy!