NECROS IN VELIOUS?

[Devours]

Yap.

So on a super basic level, necros are underpowered right now for PVP, from what I've heard it's due to dispellable DOTS and long cast times. How do they fare in Velious PVP?

[HippoNipple]

Yap.

So on a super basic level, necros are underpowered right now for PVP, from what I've heard it's due to dispellable DOTS and long cast times. How do they fare in Velious PVP?

Gear may allow fights to go longer (Melee DPS will be higher though so probably not much longer).

I would say your struggle against melees will get slightly worse.

You may close the gap slightly with other casters because of more hps and resists on gear. Longer the fight better for a necro vs druid/wiz. It really depends on how the extra resists work with nukes, and that is unknown.

[Colgate]

when they patch in the new resist and AC code, pretty much every class will drop in power except for necro

[Eslade]

Can't get any worse amirite?
Necros in Velious sounds like a cool movie btw. Starring Chris Tucker and Eddie Murphy.

[Visual]

Do pets reflect live damage in pvp ie negligible ?

Considering pets are situational (cast time, mana, limits your ability to navigate certain areas), I don't see why there can't be some adjustments made in the spirit of balance. It is a double edged sword anyways, seeing as how it makes you a higher priority target as a result (see: Mages of vztz).

[Eslade]

How to deal with necro pets in pvp;
Use fear,
If that doesn't work try root.
Profit.

[Thrilla]

well played necro should kill any caster now, provided they are equally geared they are nowhere near as powerful as live and that has been a turn off to most people playing the class here. You can get kills with trucidation, but they're not great in mass pvp just a low impact class if you're talking skirmishes on this box like 1v1 3v3, they're just as good.

i had recently switched from bis geared wiz to necro just cuz every1 and their aunt rolls wiz here, they can do well.. maybe the added hp/mana will help vs melees

[Not Salem]

necro's good class many bad necro's though (not directed at Thrilla)

[Zalaerian]

if they go thru with dispell revamp necros will become gods in velious

[Zalaerian]

also necros are good now...just a TON of bad ones

[Visual]

How to deal with necro pets in pvp;
Use fear,
If that doesn't work try root.
Profit.

Then you shouldn't have a problem with it. If you want to take it a step further, you can add the ranged stun ability EoT had on vztz. This gave him some purpose even while you were in the process of trying to dispell him.

[Colgate]

also necros are good now...just a TON of bad ones

[Samsung]

Rotbone, Nadir, Maltworm, Nothx all all star players.

[Visual]

Then you shouldn't have a problem with it. If you want to take it a step further, you can add the ranged stun ability EoT had on vztz. This gave him some purpose even while you were in the process of trying to dispell him.

Also, believe both the stun and lifetap (which also did more dmg?) were long-range insta casts on vztz.

iirc on p99 EoT only has LT and it is a melee proc

[Potus]

necro's good class many bad necro's though (not directed at Thrilla)
also necros are good now...just a TON of bad ones
also necros are good now...just a TON of bad ones[

Roll a necro please and show us how it's done. :rolleyes:

if they go thru with dispell revamp necros will become gods in velious

Two horrible posts in a row; it takes skill to be that fucking moronic.

[olalonde]

if they go thru with dispell revamp necros will become gods in velious

god in a shit, dead server ya

[Potus]

You see, guys, having to cast 2 dispels after you kill the Necro to get Splurt off is going to make them GODS. GODS I TELL YOU.

[Swyft]

The only difference between necro here and live is lifetap return coefficients being minus'd 33% on healing portion.

But here lieftaps return life through skinned targets unlike live, your lifetap had to deal atleast 1 dmg for it to return life(not dot lifetap). Which is actually a pretty large advantage against Wizard and Enchanter they didn't have on live.

[Rystar]

The only difference between necro here and live is lifetap return coefficients being minus'd 33% on healing portion.

But here lieftaps return life through skinned targets unlike live, your lifetap had to deal atleast 1 dmg for it to return life(not dot lifetap). Which is actually a pretty large advantage against Wizard and Enchanter they didn't have on live.

Also you can resist taps which on live just never happened.

[HippoNipple]

Even if necros are the same here as they are on live they are gimped by not being stronger than on live. Melees and nuke classes are stronger on this server than they should be.

[Potus]

Here's what's different:

Pets are worse here.
DoTs are worse here.
Every other class (except possibly Shaman?) are better.

As soon as I can get potions to cure backstab, flying kick, and 90% of all melee damage then Necros will be balanced.

Even if necros are the same here as they are on live they are gimped by not being stronger than on live. Melees and nuke classes are stronger on this server than they should be.

Also this. It's ridiculous that melees have insane hit ratios and doing non-classic damage with 2handers and Wizards going hog wild on non-lures.

[Not Salem]

As soon as I can get potions to cure backstab, flying kick, and 90% of all melee damage then Necros will be balanced.

you have a dozen spells to chose from that do that, and potions which are usable by every class in the game

[Swyft]

Also you can resist taps which on live just never happened.

No it actually could happen on Live I only saw it twice but it was possible.

If I started here when you could bind in pot-room I would actually be playing a Necro, portability the only reason I play a wiz here.

[Drakaris]

you have a dozen spells to chose from that do that, and potions which are usable by every class in the game

Oooooh changed your stance because I owned the snot out of Salem? Gotta love those Zoneline huggers, u know?

Problems with Necros:
1) Pet's do not do the damage they are supposed to and do not hit for max damage as frequently as they are supposed to.

2) Magic line of spells does not have dispell counters, which they did on classic, you could not click a pumice and remove winged death first try for example. You can spend 4 seconds casting a splurt, followed by another 4 seconds for pyrocuror only to see both spells get pelled off in 2 seconds, leaving you with 640 mana deficit and taking melee damage in the process of casting those spells.

3) Melee max damage relatively correct compared to weapons, but hit/miss rate does not match classic, melee hit way too often and hit for max damage way too often, THIS IS WHAT THE PETS SHOULD BE DOING!.

4) Resists.... Necro spells were very hard to resist, I distinctly remembering the heat line of spells and heart line of spells rarely getting resisted, even when low level NPCs cast them. Non-lure nukes on the otherhand were resisted easily and required a resist debuff before being cast.

[georgie]

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[Zalaerian]

If your using splurt in pvp you deserve to get wrecked

[Drakaris]

If your using splurt in pvp you deserve to get wrecked

In early 50s PvP it's the only good dot other than ebolt? Either way, 1 pell gets both vexing moridinia and pyro.

[Potus]

you have a dozen spells to chose from that do that, and potions which are usable by every class in the game

Please list the spells that completely negate your harm touch. I'm all fucking ears. Will be F5'ing this thread every minute.

If your using splurt in pvp you deserve to get wrecked

Teach me how to pvp at level 51. I guess I am doing it wrong. I should be using Ignite Blood, which hits for 30 dmg every 6 seconds? How about a sweet 218 damage lifetap that takes 6.1 seconds to cast?

When Kunark launched, Splurt was considered overpowered and people wanted it nerfed, mainly because it would outright kill a level 45ish caster.

[Colgate]

you will never be satisfied with any answer

stop crying idiot, necros aren't that bad

[Slathar]

If your using splurt in pvp you deserve to get wrecked

Normally I'd agree. However, splurt is good right now for two specific reasons I won't type out.

[Something'Witty]

I played a necro as my main from Kunark - PoP on VZ.

The 33% nerf to the heal portion of LT's and the dispel mechanics on red99 do hurt the class, however, the biggest problem for necros is how much smarter the average red99 player is compared to live. Proper buff management is the best defense against a necro.

[Potus]

you will never be satisfied with any answer

stop crying idiot, necros aren't that bad

LOL so fucking typical.

[Colgate]

no

i have never leveled a character here nor do i intend to ever

i don't care enough to disprove you on something that p much no one with a brain agrees with you on

[Potus]

Lol okay bro. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149242&highlight=poll+worst+class)

Also how did you get to 60 if you didn't level? Did you RMT?

[Drakaris]

Lol okay bro. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149242&highlight=poll+worst+class)

Also how did you get to 60 if you didn't level? Did you RMT?

It was legal to buy accounts with plat at one point in time. That is no longer allowed.

[Colgate]

i won an amulet of necropotence at a GM event and then traded for the character when he was 59

u sound very upset that u suck @ necro

[Potus]

It was legal to buy accounts with plat at one point in time. That is no longer allowed.

Oh that's right, I do not think I was around then.