How To Boost Server Pop

[heartbrand]

Since the "W" word isn't an option, I've seen people repeatedly state that they'd love to play on red IF it had more people on it so it didn't feel dead and/or there were people to play with. Why not enable boxing for a 1-2 month period to allow small crews to roll here, instantly be able to fill support class roles with boxes so they can hit the ground running, and then as population stabilizes turn it off? What is there to possibly be lost by doing this? Let's try it in the name of science.

[mostbitter]

aw yiss more of this

[Rushmore]

I know how.....


VELIOUS


someone update me? Is it going to be 2 more years?

[Vile]

velious won't fix shit with the current pop.

2 boxing experiment would be awesome :)

[Gaffin 7.0]

would be so much better with boxing on red, more pvp too

but then you would have blue jelly and saying WTF WHYZ NOT US TOO?

[Stasis01]

The only consequence is people would be able to do more camps by boxing support classes.

More people will be rolling around with full buffs and ports looking for pvp.

I guess a negative is ...?

[Stasis01]

If we get over 600 pop drop it or something like 300 real pop.

[Mac Drettj]

enable 2 boxing

[Azure]

Since the "W" word isn't an option, I've seen people repeatedly state that they'd love to play on red IF it had more people on it so it didn't feel dead and/or there were people to play with. Why not enable boxing for a 1-2 month period to allow small crews to roll here, instantly be able to fill support class roles with boxes so they can hit the ground running, and then as population stabilizes turn it off? What is there to possibly be lost by doing this? Let's try it in the name of science.

[Malevz]

As much as I hate the idea of safe zones, make EC or north Freeport a safe zone people can go to auction/lfg/newbies to get buffs/ports. How many people on blue are just people in EC tunnel playing the auction game.

Would be a good way for new chars to buy gear, people to buy and sell to make money, etc etc. Plus the server numbers would jump up a fair amount.

[Mac Drettj]

As much as I hate the idea of safe zones, make EC or north Freeport a safe zone people can go to auction/lfg/newbies to get buffs/ports. How many people on blue are just people in EC tunnel playing the auction game.

Would be a good way for new chars to buy gear, people to buy and sell to make money, etc etc. Plus the server numbers would jump up a fair amount.

thats because thats all there is to do in blue

tldr: no

[Stasis01]

PVP with full buffs and being ported to the area is fun.

Running for 45 minutes taking a boat with Jboots then finding out you missed it is the fucking worst.

[heartbrand]

Safe zone not awful if it stripped your buffs and prevented you from casting / binding in it. But I don't think that's the change that will dramatically boost pop.

[Stasis01]

As much as I hate the idea of safe zones, make EC or north Freeport a safe zone people can go to auction/lfg/newbies to get buffs/ports. How many people on blue are just people in EC tunnel playing the auction game.

Would be a good way for new chars to buy gear, people to buy and sell to make money, etc etc. Plus the server numbers would jump up a fair amount.

I hated POK because of the ability to port out of any zone into a safe zone, but some random safe zone like EC wouldn't really effect the game much at all - but we do have global OOC so we don't need a safe trading zone really, any zone works - I guess it would make it easier and faster though.

[Potus]

Since the "W" word isn't an option, I've seen people repeatedly state that they'd love to play on red IF it had more people on it so it didn't feel dead and/or there were people to play with. Why not enable boxing for a 1-2 month period to allow small crews to roll here, instantly be able to fill support class roles with boxes so they can hit the ground running, and then as population stabilizes turn it off? What is there to possibly be lost by doing this? Let's try it in the name of science.

http://i.imgur.com/IyU3Q6o.jpg

[heartbrand]

I think the dif of boxing on live was that it monopolized camps that human beings wanted here. The issue on red is all the camps are open because there's no one to farm them. At the end of the day no permanent damage is done by flipping the boxing switch for a month.

[Malevz]

I hated POK because of the ability to port out of any zone into a safe zone, but some random safe zone like EC wouldn't really effect the game much at all - but we do have global OOC so we don't need a safe trading zone really, any zone works - I guess it would make it easier and faster though.

It just seems like it would keep the pop more steady, because like on blue, even when you're not playing you have your alt in an auction zone just playing the auction game, or just AFK. Plus it allows for competition in your sales, which means lower prices for actual newbies.

Again I hate the idea of a safe zone, but I like the idea of anything that's good for the server health, and getting fresh blood in the pool.

[Genedin]

With such low pop. /ooc is much more effective honestly

[Mac Drettj]

level 1's serve same purpose as safe zone

[Stasis01]

This is truly a PVP change that would increase the frequency, and targets for PVP.

More people doing camps, more people buffed looking to kill people doing camps.

It's simple and would instantly increase pop and activity a SHIT load.

It's FFA PvP, it's not a friendly community that helps each other out. People don't trust each other - the single box idea that works on blue doesn't work here.

[Cid]

You remake this topic every couple months with a slighty different reason it would be good for the server. The fact that you would personally benefit with VP geared toons never even crossed your mind, huh?

2-Boxing does NOT increase the server population. 100 people boxing isn't 200 people playing EQ, it's the same amount of people playing twice as many characters half as well.

I would love to play two of my toons together but the brand new player is who it helps the least. The farther you are from being a newbie the more 2-boxing helps. The idea has benefits, but they are far outweighed by the risks of people using boxing to do things twice as bad and doubling strangeholds on camps.

Boxing being a good thing will never hold up under scrutiny. Just drop the thinly-veiled excuses and admit you just want to play one of your 60 alts to help yourself. Boxing won't happen either way so you might as well be honest.

[Ames who?]

Rogean will never read this thread and we will never get any of these changes implemented : (

[Stasis01]

Now that we are the top guild for now I feel like we could make big gains for the box by promoting variance, boxing - being good to new guilds and leaving mobs up for up and comers.

That's my dream not really Az's but I'd be pushing for that any way I can ~

[Stasis01]

And I didnt' create the thread.

[Stasis01]

You remake this topic every couple months with a slighty different reason it would be good for the server. The fact that you would personally benefit with VP geared toons never even crossed your mind, huh?

2-Boxing does NOT increase the server population. 100 people boxing isn't 200 people playing EQ, it's the same amount of people playing twice as many characters half as well.

I would love to play two of my toons together but the brand new player is who it helps the least. The farther you are from being a newbie the more 2-boxing helps. The idea has benefits, but they are far outweighed by the risks of people using boxing to do things twice as bad and doubling strangeholds on camps.

Boxing being a good thing will never hold up under scrutiny. Just drop the thinly-veiled excuses and admit you just want to play one of your 60 alts to help yourself. Boxing won't happen either way so you might as well be honest.

Help myself to what, we take what we want anyway end game wise, but yeah I don't do any one group shit - there's none really going on and the small crews that do farm shit, don't want another mouth to feed.

[Stasis01]

And quad rage post I'm raiding and bored gona leave this 1 alone to give it a chance of real players who play here to voice their opinion and fight for shit for a change.

[hagard]

CHEWIE LAY OFF THE CRACK YOU RETARD

[Agatha]

chewies right though, none of this stems from anytihng other than being selfish.

[Potus]

I think the dif of boxing on live was that it monopolized camps that human beings wanted here. The issue on red is all the camps are open because there's no one to farm them. At the end of the day no permanent damage is done by flipping the boxing switch for a month.

http://i.imgur.com/9Ts9Joi.jpg

[GoldScar]

Nexus/safe zones ruined pvp servers

[GoldScar]

Massive MULTIPLAYER online rpg
who would ever take the time to teach a noob how to play when u could box that class for less effort and no interaction?

Zing, this is correct. I don't like the slow red exp rate, but enforced 1 boxing is a big part of what has made P99 last so long and have a larger community than the other emu servers.

[Xash]

Two boxing = more two boxed dual wizards or gank duos running around. Benefits the established player. Also means less need to group, which is one of the better parts of red with the grouping bonus.

[heartbrand]

boxing on blue is much more damaging than boxing on red. blue already has a healthy pop, if not overpopulation. With the added bonus of no pvp, there's no threat to people boxing and they can effectively box cash camps AFK with impunity for hours on end, thus fucking tons of people who want to play the game. On red you have an empty barren wasteland where finding ANYONE in your level range to group with is a miracle. One of the most common themes on Red99 is "Someone want to do North wing? Any clerics? Any chanters? ANYONNNNNNE??????" and then everyone logs off. Boxing would allow groups to actually take off. Also, since there's PVP, people can't effectively monopolize camps because the threat of pvp allows people to take them by force. It also increases PVP because more people are playing since there's more things to do. It's a win-win-win-win.

[HippoNipple]

It's a win-win-win-win.

Whether this is true or not you can at least admit there will always be people against it and it is one of the things P99 has always been very strongly against. I think this would be the toughest thing to get implemented on Red99.

[Tewaz]

I agree with HB.

I log in my monk alt before I play my main to see if there is a group in MM. I then promptly log him out and jump on another character. I find a group about once every 2 weeks on him.

I imagine many people do this and miss each other every evening. Boxing would help these people find each other.

[heartbrand]

Boxing is great on Red99 [I don't think it's good AT ALL on blue] because now when you log your monk on you can also log your cleric bot on. What happens next is someone logs his rogue on in MM and joins your group, which is beneficial to both of you because of the group scaling exp bonus. Now person 3 brings over his SK and joins the group also. Suddenly you have a full group rocking, whereas before, it was one person at a time logging in, seeing no one to play with, and immediately logging out.

It also creates more PVP because now you got a full group rocking and group #2 might come over to MM and want to engage you for the zone, thus creating a fun low level PVP scene, or vice versa, it gives you support classes to help fight evil twinks with.

But ya, I mean the server is thriving right now with tons of groups going on and 400+ pop so I'm sure boxing would be a terrible idea or something that isn't worth trying.

[Porz]

You remake this topic every couple months with a slighty different reason it would be good for the server. The fact that you would personally benefit with VP geared toons never even crossed your mind, huh?

2-Boxing does NOT increase the server population. 100 people boxing isn't 200 people playing EQ, it's the same amount of people playing twice as many characters half as well.

I would love to play two of my toons together but the brand new player is who it helps the least. The farther you are from being a newbie the more 2-boxing helps. The idea has benefits, but they are far outweighed by the risks of people using boxing to do things twice as bad and doubling strangeholds on camps.

Boxing being a good thing will never hold up under scrutiny. Just drop the thinly-veiled excuses and admit you just want to play one of your 60 alts to help yourself. Boxing won't happen either way so you might as well be honest.

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[krazyGlue]

no thanks boxing isnt classic.

[Stasis01]

me2

[Mac Drettj]

cid is a meatball

[nonphixion]

allow boxing because BOXERS ALREADY EASILY DO, make it fair and allow boxing rofl

[Cid]

My post was directed at HB, his last two times had different reasons of how he wanted boxing allowed purely for the sake of the server, or to help someone other than himself and the well-being of those people are his only concern.

Stasis I think you might be experiencing a bit of paranoia to snap back immediately at imagined attacks. Or you have enough narcissism in you to automatically assume everything is about you..... Because it is..... Obviously! =P

You used to poopsock in the snow, 15 hours, uphill both ways. Of course that was only after you invented poopsocking. I heard that before they felt safe enough to sleep that Nihilum members had to check and make sure you weren't hiding under their beds. Fuck legends, you are the box messiah who will part the Nerd Sea and lead us all to the promised expansion after waiting a short 40 more years to see it.


If you didn't laugh at that Stasis, you have no sense of humor. When you use the phrase "hard as fuck" and words like "tough" to describe you and your guild, I can't help but wonder if thoughts like that pop in your head. If they don't, well, you would be a hell of a lot funnier and more entertaining if they did.

[Hamburgalur]

Pok book > 2 boxing. There's already zone lines you can escape to, a pok book wouldn't be anymore different. At least you could find pvp with such a low population.

Pvp was ruined when all gear could be augmented. The risk was gone when you had no fear of losing anything.

Increase exp to 5x, not this .5x bullshit, it's still stupidly slow. More casuals would play, more characters would be made, and it would ultimately bring everyone into the same range as everyone else, not scattered across 60 levels with only 100 people playing.

[heartbrand]

Boxing doesn't greatly benefit me personally, although it does indirectly. I have my loot and I'm capable with my enchanter of farming just about anything I want at this point with the exception of soloing fungi or north wing HS.

It helps me because it will result in more warm bodies online, which means more players and more pvp and more fun.

[Nirgon]

How about spewing less venom / not losing your MIND in ooc? Playing that makeupforbeingterriblebringer rogue pk a little less? Giving someone a regen and thorns and a throw away wep instead of saying go back to blue? Announce that you will have a leveling group starting on a certain day/time in advance?

A little hand holding + not being a fagt to everyone is good 4 pop.

[heartbrand]

In a vacuum I think you're right Nirgon, and if this was a fresh server we wouldn't have this issue. But people right now just stop on by to check things out, see a wasteland with crazy ooc spam and forums, and log off.

[filthyphil]

Yes enable boxing so everyone on the server has a OOR pocket healer, that is exactly what this server needs to go along with the backpacks full of pots and pumice.

How the fuck will this increase population? It will be the same 150 players playing 2 accounts.

[rollin5k]

I would never log on again if boxing were enabled.

[heartbrand]

I would never log on again if boxing were enabled.

I'm sure the other 80 people online, a good number of whom are currently boxing, will miss you.

Also what's with the ultimatums over elf sim? As a test run there is no permanent damage.
If it doesn't work and everyone's fears are realized turn it off.

[Kergan]

That's ok I'd log on two characters to make up for it.

[Nirgon]

In a vacuum I think you're right Nirgon, and if this was a fresh server we wouldn't have this issue. But people right now just stop on by to check things out, see a wasteland with crazy ooc spam and forums, and log off.

Global ooc needs to be one message per person per at least 10 minutes, with quick/easy revocation for people abusing it. You also have /lfg and tells to work off of from there.

I am against yellow text but it is mighty handy in dealing with morons who will deny that they died and bind rush over LNS. The problem is the "global shame" of a death and of course all the people on the server who don't like you spamming you with shit.

Rallos Zek had more/more quality pvp than red, but every day I didn't log in to people ripping their hair out over pixels and making RL attacks. Imagine that, a PvP server not filled with degenerates.

It's pretty easy now to say that no one wants another massive scum operation in town, keep the guilds at least some what divided (aka not 80 active people in 154 pop server). I mean really... do you wanna get up at 6am to raid for something you have to buy (wink) out of the guild bank? Do you really want to raid something or contest it to some insane hour of the morning just so some random person can't finish a druid epic?

Form your separate guilds, do your own thing, don't obsess about raid targets... be nice to new people and have a system in your guild like HB did to reward people that help build the pop.

Basically? Act like a normal functioning human being to people and they will want to come and stay.

As far as who is going to be "the next scum bag huge guild".. I mean take a look and see who wants to mass recruit on this 150 pop box or is making obsessive plans about raid targets already.

[Haynar]

Boxing = No.

As the resident dev who strongly supports boxing, I will let you know when the sentiment concerning boxing changes. In the meantime, keep calling your hand, your wife/girlfriend and wait for your eventual ban.

H

[Rec]

high levels reroll so new players have someone to play with. It's not complicated

[Nirgon]

As the resident dev

We got da best guy. Luv u bud.

[kprobe]

Terrible idea. Boxing is not what eq is about.

Especially now that we have good group xp bonus, use that advantage and group.

[heartbrand]

Cool. It seems to be working obviously as pop is through the roof and groups are popping off left and right on red99. Clearly the exp bonus has helped make the server flourish and if we just keep on doing what we are doing already, 400 pop is in sight (or even 200 for that matter). It couldn't possibly be anything is inherently flawed in the system here.

[kprobe]

HB, its one of those times when no one can take you seriously again.

Boxing isn't a solution. It negates grouping, unbalances the dependencies individuals have to each other and diminishes the apparent population. For what? So you can two box camps and duo wiz nuke bombs?

Yeah winning idea, someone give him a cookie.

[heartbrand]

All sarcasm aside again the problem here is that the average joe who decides to try red99 will enter a world with almost no one in the newbie zones, no one to group with, is instantly flooded with awful ooc spam, and the first person he encounters is likely to be a deleveled twink ready to kill him and make a thread about his victory. While joe may have one or two friends, if they aren't playing with him he can't do much, and they better have a healer / chanter etc., or they can't accomplish anything. Thus joes group will burn out and quit. I've seen it happen 100x.

It's also why small guilds can't flourish. "We'd love to do plane of x but we are missing class y (cleric,wizard,enchanter,necro) so I guess we can't raid tonight," leading to people quitting or joining a Zerg guild.

If you can box then you can play even when those classes aren't on rather than log off,meaning more people online and more people to kill.

[heartbrand]

HB, its one of those times when no one can take you seriously again.

Boxing isn't a solution. It negates grouping, unbalances the dependencies individuals have to each other and diminishes the apparent population. For what? So you can two box camps and duo wiz nuke bombs?

Yeah winning idea, someone give him a cookie.

How does it negate grouping? If anything it encourages grouping. The most common issue on this box is groups or guilds unable to group or raid because they are lacking class x, typically a healer / chanter / porter / tank. Allowing people to have a box for one of those roles thus allows these groups and raids to take place.

[Gaffin 7.0]

hb spittin so much truth

[Bazia]

lack of clrs is an epidemic on this server I must admit despite how much I dislike boxing

[Nirgon]

Learn to play without an optimal group setup.

You might find there to be some skill in EQ.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

I heard in one of Sirken's streams they already put forth ideas to Multibox that were shot down. 2 Boxing sounds reasonable but Im sure they dont want to open up a can of worms by allowing 2 boxing then policing those who are 3+ boxing.

[Malone88]

I think a better idea to attract new players is to make starter (newb) zones pvp-free.
Safe for trading and safe for new players to get on their feet.

I've read several posts from bluebies today saying they were discouraged because they were ganked right away when they started their character.

This was loramin's idea, not mine.

[Stasis01]

My post was directed at HB, his last two times had different reasons of how he wanted boxing allowed purely for the sake of the server, or to help someone other than himself and the well-being of those people are his only concern.

Stasis I think you might be experiencing a bit of paranoia to snap back immediately at imagined attacks. Or you have enough narcissism in you to automatically assume everything is about you..... Because it is..... Obviously! =P

You used to poopsock in the snow, 15 hours, uphill both ways. Of course that was only after you invented poopsocking. I heard that before they felt safe enough to sleep that Nihilum members had to check and make sure you weren't hiding under their beds. Fuck legends, you are the box messiah who will part the Nerd Sea and lead us all to the promised expansion after waiting a short 40 more years to see it.


If you didn't laugh at that Stasis, you have no sense of humor. When you use the phrase "hard as fuck" and words like "tough" to describe you and your guild, I can't help but wonder if thoughts like that pop in your head. If they don't, well, you would be a hell of a lot funnier and more entertaining if they did.

tldr thought it was about me I'll go back to skipping ur posts

[kprobe]

All sarcasm aside again the problem here is that the average joe who decides to try red99 will enter a world with almost no one in the newbie zones, no one to group with, is instantly flooded with awful ooc spam, and the first person he encounters is likely to be a deleveled twink ready to kill him and make a thread about his victory. While joe may have one or two friends, if they aren't playing with him he can't do much, and they better have a healer / chanter etc., or they can't accomplish anything. Thus joes group will burn out and quit. I've seen it happen 100x.

It's also why small guilds can't flourish. "We'd love to do plane of x but we are missing class y (cleric,wizard,enchanter,necro) so I guess we can't raid tonight," leading to people quitting or joining a Zerg guild.

If you can box then you can play even when those classes aren't on rather than log off,meaning more people online and more people to kill.

There are a few issues you mention, none of which are solved with boxing.

1) First exposure: ooc isn't even that bad and it's global allowing easier LFG/Ports than blue.

2) Twinks: This is a real issue that comes with server age and the general composition of pvp in the high end (this may change as Nihilum forced this setup in the past). It's unsolvable mechanically without destroying twinking in the first place. The real solution for this is and always has been the community and being helpful. During low server pop red population has been historically very helpful.

NB: Delvling is minimally helpful, skills are +5capped here and delvl with you.

3) Grouping: not an issue 30+. If you've leveled semi-recently you would know grouping works on red. Plenty of people roll alts here to complement the newcomers. You even get weird composition groups that work because they must. Group loyalty in pvp is a fascinating dimension to pvp. You should try it.

Boxing again would encourage the very problems you try pretending to solve: more twinks, who would be the vanguard of the population in using boxing tactics to grief lowbies.

Most of the good suggestions the community has put forth are now implemented in red (guards, unbalanced clickies, xp, grouping, ooc, level range, xp loss etc..).

It's working.

Could anything else help population? Probably Hot zones ala LoZ. Encourages higher density of players in the hotzones and more pvp, but tbh the server is in good shape mechanically. We need more people solutions not technical crutches.

[QuantumZebra]

worst idea ive heard today

[Nirgon]

I think a better idea to attract new players is to make starter (newb) zones pvp-free.
Safe for trading and safe for new players to get on their feet.

I've read several posts from bluebies today saying they were discouraged because they were ganked right away when they started their character.

This was loramin's idea, not mine.

Naw, I think we need town killing tbh. That shit was real classic.

What we need though are the associated faction hits for killing people in their home towns.

You wanna kill a dark elf in Neriak? Prepare your faction anus.

[drilemcbit]

As much as I hate the idea of safe zones, make EC or north Freeport a safe zone people can go to auction/lfg/newbies to get buffs/ports. How many people on blue are just people in EC tunnel playing the auction game.

Would be a good way for new chars to buy gear, people to buy and sell to make money, etc etc. Plus the server numbers would jump up a fair amount.

This is actually a way better idea EC for safezone 2014

[drilemcbit]

chewies right though, none of this stems from anytihng other than being selfish.

holy shit I agree with this.

[heartbrand]

Yes no boxing is viciously hurting me with eight BiS level 60's and a solid neckbeard crew to play with consistently and not the randoms who join and quit here before even hitting level 10.

[Gaffin 7.0]

more positives than negatives with this, too bad rogean does not give a fk tho

[heartbrand]

How come none of the horrors of boxing people speak of came true on LoZ where boxing was allowed? Could it be because boxing isn't actually some mind control device used to rape and pillage a server?

[Swish]

Naw, I think we need town killing tbh. That shit was real classic.

What we need though are the associated faction hits for killing people in their home towns.

You wanna kill a dark elf in Neriak? Prepare your faction anus.

It may not be popular, but if old PvPers from live come back here and see some fucked up "no killing in EC" shit with 100 people sitting around auctioning they'll wonder what P99 is really all about.

Would be great to run through Neriak on an iksar monk and be able to pvp nps, something to aspire to :D ...will have to do the wine quest.

[HippoNipple]

Yes no boxing is viciously hurting me with eight BiS level 60's and a solid neckbeard crew to play with consistently and not the randoms who join and quit here before even hitting level 10.

But to be fair you having 8 BiS level 60's allows you and your small crew to monopolize more content not allowing new players to get involved. I see why it would be fun for a small group of people to be able to down end game content but then there are people that can never get to end game content because 6 people are doing it.

It may take 24 individuals that are mid 50's and semi geared to do what you and 5 friends can monopolize. Even though the population is small it isn't that small.

[Psykes]

no thanks boxing isnt classic.

uh.....do you know the meaning of boxing...it is for 2 or more pc's each running a client, like it used to be in classic because windowed mode was not functional for EQ originally like it is now

[Feniggles]

How come none of the horrors of boxing people speak of came true on LoZ where boxing was allowed? Could it be because boxing isn't actually some mind control device used to rape and pillage a server?

maybe because this server has been in kunark so long everyone has an enchanter/shaman?

[ScorpionX]

Yes no boxing is viciously hurting me with eight BiS level 60's and a solid neckbeard crew to play with consistently and not the randoms who join and quit here before even hitting level 10.

lets read between the lines. me and my crew of neckbeards can now do high end content through boxing. less mouths to feed = more items = win

[Tassador]

How many times you all quiting only to come back and add a 10th bis alt? Shit is getting pretty sick.

[Beibei]

TZVZ was awesome and boxing was allowed. EQ live was awesome and boxing was allowed.

R99 would be even better if it was allowed. There are a lot of people like me who usually play odd hours. To be able to box one character would be really helpful for me.

A real group will always stomp 2-3 guys boxing in PvP.

[Rec]

new players want to group with someone alive, not a box

[georgie]

boost solo xp ffs

[Hamburgalur]

5x exp rate, group bonus exp, PoK books, coin loot, exp loss pvp deaths, and if you're feeling risky, 1 item loot.

[derpcake]

boost solo xp ffs

67 people online atm, oocing "any groups" got no reply.

It could be a 9000% xp bonus in groups, doesn't really matter if people that play around this hour don't find any groups.

[Tassador]

new players want to group with someone alive, not a box

lol new players.... No new players we leveling in rags now and acting like new players. Keep the dream alive r99

[Doors]

Velious will boost pop, most people tired of kunark, been 9 years.

[heartbrand]

Sounds like the thrive is going on. I'm sure nothing needs to be changed and that if we keep in doing what we're doing groups will spontaneously form.







Or people will log in one at a time, see no one to play with, and log off. But ya this is a thread about me trying to be selfish for my toons that don't need loot or something like that.

[heartbrand]

Velious will boost pop, most people tired of kunark, been 9 years.

Velious won't help the low level pop. If anything it will hurt it by taking away some of the alts who play with newbs, as they log on their mains instead.

[derpcake]

51 people on atm, time to try something else.

[Pikrib]

I would vote yes on this as long as the characters you boxed were both lower than lvl 45. At higher lvls you could it would become too much of an advantage in pve and pvp. It only takes a chanter and cleric to solo FBH and NoS. By logging in a chanter cleric and shaman for your warrior he can run complete beast mode any time u wanted to pvp. Boxing would make the end game suck.

[pgerman]

boxing would do nothing to get more people playing here, neckbeards would just have more buffs to kill people in raw hide

[heartbrand]

boxing would do nothing to get more people playing here, neckbeards would just have more buffs to kill people in raw hide

That's an opinion, not a fact. Let's test it in the name of science and see.

[heartbrand]

Arguments I've seen so far against boxing:

- Less Groups

Less than what? The zero low level groups going on right now? So we're going to have a negative number?

- Super twinked buffed characters

1) Isn't having people with porter bots and buff bots to help them pvp good for the server since it means more roaming PVPers PVPing on a PVP server?

2) Aren't the noobs fucked as it is with the fungi epic rogue twinks and deleveled epic warriors? You think that 400 HP from heroism on the warrior in VP Gear and Epic vs people in raw hide is what's going to be the difference maker? Rly?


- People will 3 box or 4 box

As opposed to the people doing this already?

[Mac Drettj]

a trial run to boost red pop just like it boosted blue pop at start of the project can do nothing but HELP

there are no negatives

I vote yes to trial.

Thanks.

[heartbrand]

Honestly what is the worst possible thing that happens from even a 2 week trial? There is literally ZERO potential of permanent damage from a 2 week trial, fuck even a 1 week trial. If it's pandemonium across Norrath then ok, I'll come out and be the first to admit it failed.

[Pikrib]

Arguments I've seen so far against boxing:

- Less Groups

Less than what? The zero low level groups going on right now? So we're going to have a negative number?

- Super twinked buffed characters

1) Isn't having people with porter bots and buff bots to help them pvp good for the server since it means more roaming PVPers PVPing on a PVP server?

2) Aren't the noobs fucked as it is with the fungi epic rogue twinks and deleveled epic warriors? You think that 400 HP from heroism on the warrior in VP Gear and Epic vs people in raw hide is what's going to be the difference maker? Rly?


- People will 3 box or 4 box

As opposed to the people doing this already?

1) Stop screwing people over and U might have more friends to port and pvp with.

2)HB 400 HPs, Symbol 700 HPs, Rune 700 HPs, Talisman+Sta 400+ HPs.
=2200+HPs

3)You have just made farming HS+Seb+many other places trivial.

[heartbrand]

1) Stop screwing people over and U might have more friends to port and pvp with.

2)HB 400 HPs, Symbol 700 HPs, Rune 700 HPs, Talisman+Sta 400+ HPs.
=2200+HPs

3)You have just made farming HS+Seb+many other places trivial.

lol wut? Im in holocaust in a TS full of pals with people who can port me on a moments notice. I pvp daily. I'm sorry you don't like me because I didn't want to give you my elder spirit BP you planned on giving to a guy spamming pics of my family on the forums, I guess you can file a petition with your local civil court.

cool 2200 HP's [less because you can't do marzin on lowbies nor the highest talisman], again, is actually pretty irrelevant when you're an epic fungi rogue one shotting casters in Apprentice Robe's*. And to be honest, the twinks who are devoted enough to grief newbs already have their pals buffing them to begin with. But it doesn't really matter, because there are hardly any newbs to kill to begin with.

[Cid]

Heartbrand why are you pretending you really give a shit about newbies? No ones believes it so why not just drop the pretenses? You want to box BECAUSE you have those 8 BiS characters and you cannot legally use more than one at a time.

If everyone would quit treating each other like shit because they allow this to become more than a game to them, we wouldn't have a lot of problems and boxing would be irrelevant. When you get killed, laugh about it and forget it. When you kill someone, act like an adult and not like it proved anything. Even little children shake hands and move on after a pee-wee football or teeball game.

There is nothing that could be more helpful than maturity, sportsmanship, civility, or any other synonym for us not acting like animals.

[heartbrand]

Heartbrand why are you pretending you really give a shit about newbies? No ones believes it so why not just drop the pretenses? You want to box BECAUSE you have those 8 BiS characters and you cannot legally use more than one at a time.

If everyone would quit treating each other like shit because they allow this to become more than a game to them, we wouldn't have a lot of problems and boxing would be irrelevant. When you get killed, laugh about it and forget it. When you kill someone, act like an adult and not like it proved anything. Even little children shake hands and move on after a pee-wee football or teeball game.

There is nothing that could be more helpful than maturity, sportsmanship, civility, or any other synonym for us not acting like animals.

In this post this guy pretends to be some Saint Timothy of Elf Sim while basically ascribing bad intentions to myself with no basis or proof.

P.S., I have no idea who you are nor have I seen you in game. I've PL'ed more newbs, given away more loot [even if it was someone elses b4 hehehehhe] than prolly just about every other person on his server. I know exactly what it's like to be a newb here, but you don't need to take my word for it, go read the thread on blue chat about red. The consensus falls within two camps:

1) Too many griefers

2) No one to play with


Thanks though for your long winded and rather pointless post.

[heartbrand]

I also love the "make moar friends" argument people put forward. As if there's a plethora of level 1 support classes waiting to role play with you and be your friend on 50 person day time pop box.

[Pikrib]

I really don't care about the pixels. I just enjoy givin u shit. idk Y I enjoy screwing with people on the forums. Its too much fun I guess.

learn to read better. I was using your main as an example not some lvl 15 ganker. I think boxing could be allowed for lvl 45 or less.

lvl 15 ganker with + 1700 hps just aint right though u gotta admit, and this is Y they cant allow boxing.

[heartbrand]

Who are these mythical gankers? Sickpuppy and max? So we should design our rules around two people who already grief everyone as it is? Wut?

[Pikrib]

HB "I give a shit about newbies"

Makes a unrest twink to kill newbies..

[krazyGlue]

Mrbigs is vp geared pras

[heartbrand]

Yes, 1.5 years ago I killed some FoH people and mrbigsx in unrest, all of whom were fairly twinked and fucking with people trying to exp. You got me.

[krazyGlue]

Mrbigsx is madude

[HippoNipple]

All you guys arguing care about is end game, not sure how you are getting side tracked to talk about unrest PvP, which on this server is about 2-3 days worth of content while you are leveling up.

Guilds are supposedly closed for recruitment as is, and even if not we know that all current content can be downed by 20-24 people. Most with much less people.

Everquest is supposed to be a progression game, not sit on content for 3 years and seeing how much of the server you can alienate with the smallest group of people. Downing end game content with 6 guys playing 12 BiS characters is not healthy.

Those 6 guys could be taking content away from 24 guys in mid 50's with modest gear that are now stuck in a spot where they can't contest because of these small crews that have been building BiS armies for 3 years in stale content.

With 8 BiS characters there is little else to do without more content being released. I get that being able to do what you have been doing for 2 years in Kunark sounds like it may be a little more fun to do with half as many people but that shouldn't be the focus of the server.

The argument that it is good for new players only pertains to leveling up from 1-50. Once you are 50 you need a way to get into raiding. Allowing a smaller vet group to monopolize it isn't good.

[Eslade]

Allowing 2 boxing will ruin my immersion.

[Stasis01]

I see Hippos point, fewer neckbeards could conquer all with dedication maybe, I think they'd get contested though because 6 toons boxxed aint that scary I'll just tr..

[Stasis01]

rack where the boxxes are sitting

[heartbrand]

6 people trying to box a talendor raid sounds like some ez YT for another guild

[Stasis01]

I think honestly no one wants to play support classes so we have a major lack of ports, groupable content, and newer players.

End game side effects may be bad I'd have to ponder on this.

[HippoNipple]

I think honestly no one wants to play support classes so we have a major lack of ports, groupable content, and newer players.

End game side effects may be bad I'd have to ponder on this.

Yeah these are just inconveniences. Obviously content is still being downed with the way things are. Boxing will obviously narrow the amount of end game content to a smaller group of people. Saying boxing won't because you can pvp that group easier is irrelevant. With that line of thinking then each side will go towards a zerg and then instead of 40 v 40 it is 80 v 80 with people boxing.


People are getting sick of the community and content so they are trying to come up with ways to alienate as many people as possible so they can play with less people and this is going to grow the population?

What is the easiest role to play to be significant to a server you are new to? A support class.

[Stasis01]

Yeah these are just inconveniences. Obviously content is still being downed with the way things are. Boxing will obviously narrow the amount of end game content to a smaller group of people. Saying boxing won't because you can pvp that group easier is irrelevant. With that line of thinking then each side will go towards a zerg and then instead of 40 v 40 it is 80 v 80 with people boxing.


People are getting sick of the community and content so they are trying to come up with ways to alienate as many people as possible so they can play with less people and this is going to grow the population?

What is the easiest role to play to be significant to a server you are new to? A support class.

Normally I can follow you pretty good, but box was 200 last night and is in the best shape it's ever been.

Who's sick of the community and trying to alienate people? I don't even...

As to ur question, in real life, not ur fantasy dream world - people aren't playign enchs/clerics or porters, and people are just logging off.

[Stasis01]

Case in point - I just logged on couldn't find a port in OT, ran to KC all empty couldn't find a port and am now goign to dota2.

I don't want ot bug the same people consistently for ports because I know it drives them nuts plus I haven't even checked if they're on.

This isn't going to be a big friendly blue community, having some independence would be good here - in theory, for science, for a week.

[krazyGlue]

I have 6 60s I can't wait to box

[Clark]

Don't allow 2 boxing.

[Clark]

boxing would do nothing to get more people playing here, neckbeards would just have more buffs to kill people in raw hide

[krazyGlue]

Would have a cleric shaman chanter buffs on Mrbigs 24.7

[Tewaz]

Would have a cleric shaman chanter buffs on Mrbigs 24.7

So he kills newbs 10 seconds faster and they can start their CR sooner to get back to exping?

Sounds like a bonus for everyone.

[Stasis01]

I mean if I boxed two characters I'd just go to South Karana and be done with the Mrbigs range of grief in about 6 hrs but that's just me.

If people want to torture themselves you can't really blame them - I'd even say boxing helps with the lower lvl grief toons because you aren't forced into trying to find other players in pvp hotspots (who are 50% of the time going to ass fuck you)

It works for blue, not for here.

[Stasis01]

Plus I get a semi boner over the thought of /ooc hey I'm a 30 dru 30 war pst for a grp or pick up.

Right now you literally don't see OOC for grps because it never works out due to travel time and no porters.

[a_gnoll_pup]

allow 2 boxing, but:

- only allow buffs if you are in pvp range of the person casting the spell

[heartbrand]

been on afk exping today with mornin & pals and seen the painful ooc of this one mid 30's group trying to start for the last 3 hours with no success. so glad boxing isn't allowed so these people can be immersed.

[Eslade]

Why not no boxing post level 36?

[a_gnoll_pup]

Why not no boxing post level 36?

Why not no PvP until 56?

[Eslade]

Why not no PvP until 56?

Why not the ability to switch between 2 classes? And pok books. And buffing npc's? F it, an instant 60 toon with full planar.

[Eslade]

I call lns before pvp to save time.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Why not the ability to switch between 2 classes? And pok books. And buffing npc's? F it, an instant 60 toon with full planar.

That sounds honestly a lot better than what we have now.

[HippoNipple]

Normally I can follow you pretty good, but box was 200 last night and is in the best shape it's ever been.

Who's sick of the community and trying to alienate people? I don't even...

As to ur question, in real life, not ur fantasy dream world - people aren't playign enchs/clerics or porters, and people are just logging off.

I'm not saying the population is low right now. I'm saying things are fine. This 2 boxing idea was to improve the population but it sounds like the reason people want it is because they are sick of having to play with so many people.

Guilds are wanting to stay small because they are sick of having to work together with large groups of people.

I don't know why you are saying people aren't sick of each other on this box. It doesn't mean you can't have fun playing but it seems like everyone hates someone on this server for it just being a game.

[HippoNipple]

All the talk about level 30's and trying to use their misfortune to change the game for everyone is a joke. Who in this thread made it to level 40? Was it that bad or can you even remember? I think I was in South Karana for most of it on my first char.

If you want a rogue for your first char it is going to be a problem. Level up a caster and farm til you have a fungi. Changing game mechanics for the entire player base that isn't leveling up their first char so someone new to the server can hit level 50 in 2 weeks instead of 3 makes a lot of sense.

[Stasis01]

Plus ports and groupable content at 60.