Petition to have the constant rule-breakers banned forever.

[Andis]

You say you want to clean this community? To encourage new players? To make red99 a better environment?

Time to start doing so. If you really care about this community that is.

Rid this server of its constant offenders. And watch Red99 grow.

/signed

King Andis

[Not_Kazowi]

This looks like a troll thread trying to entice drama. Forum ban imminent

[Mac Drettj]

clearly a troll thread

his chars in game: Andis, Shazam, Guido

[Malevz]

The problem is bigger than RMT and rule breakers. Live EQ part of enjoyment was the game is designed for a group, so you had a list of cleric buddies, list of tanks, and you grouped and exped and got gear with them.

This server has a very high percentage of people that feel they have something to prove. They have to have the best pixels in game, they have to be on the pvp boards high up, they have to look good to other people so if they die /ooc excuses.

To make the community better people just need to stop being greedy self centered assholes and enjoy the game.

[Andis]

I don't know if I agree with that.

Let's not forget this is a game, and people play for their own enjoyment.

For me, I like killing everyone and being the best pvper, this box has ever seen.

Like I said, we play this game for fun, its not a job. right?

[Derubael]

You guys would be surprised if you saw our list of constant rule breakers and server "scum".

This might be news to you, but all the little sub level 40's that quit the box don't care about who you guys want banned. They aren't leaving because person001 cheats at dragons or whatever else. They don't even know that's a thing.

So.... why is there such a high turnover rate for those people? Has anyone tried to speak with them..? How 'bout you guys (the community) focuses on that, and let us worry about the other stuff.

[Not_Kazowi]

You guys would be surprised if you saw our list of constant rule breakers and server "scum".

This might be news to you, but all the little sub level 40's that quit the box don't care about who you guys want banned. They aren't leaving because person001 cheats at dragons or whatever else. They don't even know that's a thing.

So.... why is there such a high turnover rate for those people? Has anyone tried to speak with them..? How 'bout you guys (the community) focuses on that, and let us worry about the other stuff.

Pras derudawg

[Andis]

I'm all for asking that lvl 40 why he quit, just not sure how to get in contact with him. A level 40, who is newer, will not know about high end game or care, I agree.

But what a new player would care about, I would think, is the idea of playing here. Why play on a server where CONSTANT rule-breakers are given the chance to come back and play?

please discuss, very serious question. derubael please provide some feedback on this.

[Mac Drettj]

You guys would be surprised if you saw our list of constant rule breakers and server "scum".

This might be news to you, but all the little sub level 40's that quit the box don't care about who you guys want banned. They aren't leaving because person001 cheats at dragons or whatever else. They don't even know that's a thing.

So.... why is there such a high turnover rate for those people? Has anyone tried to speak with them..? How 'bout you guys (the community) focuses on that, and let us worry about the other stuff.

Probably because of brave souls like young Kinson here.

He's been sitting in South Karana for two weeks in all bronze farming an Aegis of Life quest piece and a full ragefire/donal's twink came and KS'd him:

So, technically, person001 cheats at dragons or whatever else, is cascading down and affecting said level 40 population.

so true

http://i59.tinypic.com/t03yg9.jpg

[Smedy]

its a little bit to late for absolutes now, after a wipe or a new box make absolute rules prior to opening the box and keep your word to them, can't do it now when box is dead and 3 years old full of scumbags who got there by being just that, scumbags

[Derubael]

I'm all for asking that lvl 40 why he quit, just not sure how to get in contact with him. A level 40, who is newer, will not know about high end game or care, I agree.

But what a new player would care about, I would think, is the idea of playing here. Why play on a server where CONSTANT rule-breakers are given the chance to come back and play?

please discuss, very serious question.

90% of new players don't know or even care about what you're saying.

Even if they took the time to read through all of this, who's to say they'd believe any of it? both side throw these accusations at each other constantly, and it would take more reading and interest than a new player is willing to put forth in order to sort out who is who, what is what, and why they should care.

The point you're missing is that these new players don't know, don't care, or don't have any interest in what you're saying, but they leave anyway.

Why is that?

[Andis]

its a little bit to late for absolutes now, after a wipe or a new box make absolute rules prior to opening the box and keep your word to them, can't do it now when box is dead and 3 years old full of scumbags who got there by being just that, scumbags

agreed. but GMs stated, no server wipe would ever happen here. so the only thing left to do is follow through with their mandates. it's always a good time to get rid of toxic players. why hasnt this already started happening?

[Porz]

I'm all for asking that lvl 40 why he quit, just not sure how to get in contact with him. A level 40, who is newer, will not know about high end game or care, I agree.

But what a new player would care about, I would think, is the idea of playing here. Why play on a server where CONSTANT rule-breakers are given the chance to come back and play?

please discuss, very serious question. derubael please provide some feedback on this.

The toxicity of ooc is probably a good portion. Nevermind spams in the toxic ooc referring to rmt, soandso did this irl and broke this law, x guild is unbeatable.

[Colgate]

because they can't handle fungi epic twinks killing them

i thought you said 6 months into a server we'd have the same problems?

i don't think 6 months into a server there would be 50 people with fungi/epic rogues in unrest and mistmoore to grief newbies

[Smedy]

agreed. but GMs stated, no server wipe would ever happen here. so the only thing left to do is follow through with their mandates. it's always a good time to get rid of toxic players. why hasnt this already started happening?


then i vote for absolute no, fuck that, make the server no rules instead, the constant bickering and thread making crying for gm intervention is retarded, especially when sometimes its a permanent 1 week ban, sometimes a 5 months, who knows right?

fuck it, make it completely no rules, allow training, allow everyone to scum the fuck out and let us solve our own issues

[Cheesypoof]

I think you should sticky somthing about not believing anything posted on the forums.

[Mac Drettj]

twinks will always exist, weather its a rubi bp and a skarlon sword, or a ragebringer fungi

fighting a twink versus spending weeks doing something and that same twink stealing it when they didn't need are two different things

fighting twinks is something people know to expect and can usually handle...

[Andis]

90% of new players don't know or even care about what you're saying.

Even if they took the time to read through all of this, who's to say they'd believe any of it? both side throw these accusations at each other constantly, and it would take more reading and interest than a new player is willing to put forth in order to sort out who is who, what is what, and why they should care.

The point you're missing is that these new players don't know, don't care, or don't have any interest in what you're saying, but they leave anyway.

Why is that?

you won't know who cares and who believes. no one would.

but whose to say they dont care? If I just started on a new pvp server, and I read the boards, and see all this chatter of cheating going on, and players being able to come back...I would be turned off. instantly. who wants to invest time into a box full of cheaters?????

what about those who do care?

[Quiet]

I listened to that GM Chat with Lite this week. You guys are so far out of touch with the problems on this box its not even funny.

OOC chat? Are you fucking serious, the idea that people are scared off by a system you can literally turn off, that was never classic and you don't even need to read. Same with Forums, theres no need to be on here, no need to come and sit on here looking at troll after troll.

If people are scared off by simple green text( that they can ignore / turn off), how will they manage when they start getting Yellowed texted. over and over and over, having to do 20 minute CR's and such. That type of weak soft player is perfect for blue/WoW. Has no place on here. Shouldn't try this server, happier if they don't show up.

The true problem lies with the GM's, their mismanagement, 3 years of Kunark, and lack of things to do outside of repops. Sure Simpops bring in players and swelling the population. There's loot and pvp to be had. Once its over, back down to nothing.

Banning a bunch of players, great idea, since roughly 1/4 the main players who log on are bannable for continuous stuff including 50% of the resistance, we will have a wonderful server of 25 clean whistles.

[Malevz]

I have to agree with that iksar GM guy. I had at least 5-6 friends from VZ live come over here. We were forced to deal with low POP, Flowers of Happiness rooting/training us, then hiding behind mobs. For a year Tune farmed every level 52 he could find which while pvp, probably got old really quick. We had Agatha and Rettiwalk spaming ooc, when the server had low numbers, with trolls about "wipe it clear" and telling everyone that would listen that GM's were planning to wipe the server.

I don't RMT, but frankly I don't care if people do as long as it's a small problem, and not the center of the game.

People stick around cause their friends in game, and cause the fun they have, and community. The problem isn't people selling characters or whatever, it's people whose only goal is to be assholes to other people. I'm not talking about pvp of course, I'm talking about people who just want to be assholes.

There's actually been some good changes though. 4 level pk range, LnS, the server is improving from what I see.

[Andis]

As much as I agree with Quiet

GMs here are not paid. it is volunteer, so of course it wont be spot on.

but at least show these new players that you wont tolerate cheaters.

having cheaters on this box is an instant turn off to playing. its a fact.

[Mac Drettj]

We had Agatha and Rettiwalk spaming ooc, when the server had low numbers, with trolls about "wipe it clear" and telling everyone that would listen that GM's were planning to wipe the server.


never once advocated wipe

i can post an SS of you oocing about me being a deadbeat dad and my kid dying tho

[Not_Kazowi]

Servers problems all come from the fact it's been sitting in the same expansion for 2 years. There's nothing to do anymore and everyone is so bored they are playing the finger pointing game while stirring the pot.

Release some content and people will be occupied again

[Derubael]

I can enjoy PvP and not want to put up with some of the more extreme bullshit that goes on in OOC. And trying to say that they should just "turn it off" if they don't like it is complete crap. They shouldn't have to go out of their way to get away from that shit. Not being subjected to it should be the norm.

On the one hand people say OOC is required for new players to be able to communicate, but on the other, they should just turn it off if they don't like it?

And being in 3 years of kunark affects players who quit long before reaching Raid levels makes sense how? The majority of players quit sub 50. They never even hit the bottleneck that is the Red 99 raid scene. So who's out of touch here? It's difficult to hear the people at the bottom when you're shouting from the top.

While I agree that there are some people who need to be banned from the server forever, that alone isn't going to fix the box. The communities attitude needs to change for that to happen. As I've stated before that doesn't mean PvP needs to stop. But there's a fundamental attitude on Red99 that has a negative impact on the box - not everyone acts this way, but enough that it keeps the server from growing.

Porz made a thread in blue RnF asking people why they quit Red, and I asked a similar question months back. So did Azure. Here's those three threads for reference:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149043
^ mine (long)

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149043
^ Azure's

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162454
^ porz (short)

Also keep in mind that during my time here on staff, ever since becoming a Guide last August, I've spoken to as many people who have quit the server as I could possibly get a hold of, with a focus on the people who left right at or right before 50 (again, the majority of people who quit do so before they hit the end-game). The #1 answer we hear more than anything else is the community sucked. And yes, global ooc contributed to that.

If you want to stick to this attitude of "they need to put up with it or they shouldn't be here!" then fine, but don't be surprised if the box never breaks 200 people.

Those are my thoughts on the subject. You guys can go back and forth over why I'm wrong and why you're right and etc etc, but the bottom line is that is the core of Red99's problem - whether you want to believe it or not.


Edit:

but whose to say they dont care? If I just started on a new pvp server, and I read the boards, and see all this chatter of cheating going on, and players being able to come back...I would be turned off. instantly. who wants to invest time into a box full of cheaters?????


And what would you think if every 3rd thread said "OMG bAN CHEATERZ RIGHT NOW", "WIPE THIS BOX CLEAN 2014" , "I RMT'd and so and so is shit"

Almost every thread on these boards is either:

A) you guys asking for a wipe or
B) someone complaining about someone else

Why would anyone read these forums and want to play here?

You guys need to focus on YOU - the community, and stop worrying about wiping the box and getting person001 banned. All the negativity literally does nothing except drive people away. The box is not going to magically improve if person001 gets banned. Because it's such a small population box it's even more important that every single one of you puts your best foot forward and shows new players how much fun red can be. That's something that not enough people are doing right now, and it until it happens, you'll never break 200 people.

Edit2: I'm out for the day. You guys make it almost impossible to give any fucks about this box.

[Quiet]

As much as I agree with Quiet

GMs here are not paid. it is volunteer, so of course it wont be spot on.

but at least show these new players that you wont tolerate cheaters.

having cheaters on this box is an instant turn off to playing. its a fact.

This is such a sissy statement they hide behind. We have people who are logged in 18 hours a day, tap them for assistance. If you don't have the time or dedication to move the server along, don't bother running one. Find others who can assist with running it. Nothing takes 3 years to come out. No expansion in history. Not even working on it occasionally.

I support what they do. I appreciate the box they have created and I find their out look / handling to be all with best intentions. But time to man up on their side, do some work or pass it off to those who can/will.

[Andis]

'While I agree that there are some people who need to be banned from the server forever, that alone isn't going to fix the box." - derubael

I understand it is the community mostly. but look what you just said. of course it wont fix all the problems, but isn't that a good enough start?

by keeping these players in game, you make the problem even worse, rather then trying to fix it.

perma ban these offenders that keep offending. i dont get why this is not being done.

[Quiet]

I like Derubael quite a bit this isn't a knock against him at all. He is a guide, he doesn't have the oversight of the server or manage its direction. Derubael is a perfect overseer for the community and his willingness to be ironfisted is well noted and needed.

I started this server last year, no friends on here at start, started from scratch with nothing. Played the hardest class with hybrid exp penalty, and it was when server pop barely broke 130. I managed to level to 60 and get epics and in to VP without ever joining Nihilum prior to those things. I survived Mrbigs killing me in Unrest. Knights Templar in Unrest/DC/MM. I managed all the thuggery in City of Mist, KC, DL. I managed to get VP keyed while dodging Nihilum, i dealt with being treated like a 3rd class citizen by the "resistance" I had a 37 win 98 loss pvp record and was corpse and bind camped. I managed to survive just fine without issue and continue to play.

Anyone who isnt willing to take that path, isnt going to be someone you'd want to have around anyways. PVP servers have consistently been less populated then Blue servers. Players would rather deal with the absurdly slow blue exp rate then have to spend time doing CR's and more then auto attack.

[Smedy]

lets listen to rexx, it's not like he will say whatever suits him the best at the current moment

<insert stasis quote here>

theheh

[Derubael]

I do have one more thing to add:

I am willing to admit, and have done so multiple times in the past, that Red needs more Guides to keep watch during the day. Also that I have a pile of investigations that have been in the works for a long time that you guys don't even know about that need to get finished. That I recognize this will have an overall positive impact on the box.

What bothers me is that there are far too many of you completely unwilling to admit any wrongdoing on your part whatsoever. That the community holds no responsibility for the low box population or the inability to retain new players. Until people start stepping up and admitting that they might be a part of the problem - a big part - this box will never go anywhere.

Edit:

I like Derubael quite a bit this isn't a knock against him at all. He is a guide, he doesn't have the oversight of the server or manage its direction. Derubael is a perfect overseer for the community and his willingness to be ironfisted is well noted and needed.

I'm not a guide. I've been a GM since January. I have the same access level in-game as Sirken, and when we hold senior staff-meetings there are always four of us present - Sirken, Nilbog, Rogean, and myself. My opinions generally reflect Sirken's viewpoint (we are usually on the same page. If he were here he would agree with everything I just said in my previous posts), while Nilbog tends to be more strict and Rogean tends to be more lax.

Bans, CSR decisions, and server rules on Red99 are, for the most part, left up to Sirken and myself. Blue is handled in a similar fashion, except for the raid rules there, which are generally a joint decision between Rogean, Sirken, Nilbog, and myself.

Now I'm out. Too much forumquest for one morning.

[Andis]

You guys need to focus on YOU - the community, and stop worrying about wiping the box and getting person001 banned. All the negativity literally does nothing except drive people away. The box is not going to magically improve if person001 gets banned.

I'm sorry but perma banning an offender who has done nothing but negative things on this box, broken an infinite number of rules, and made countless $ from, is still leading Nihilum, which is the main reason why this box is what it is.

perma ban this guy and guarantee you this box will flourish

perma ban any reoccuring offender, and it helps your box out 10 fold, no questions

the fact that I have to sit here and ask for re-occuring cheaters to not be allowed here, is ridiculous

im done now, I've said all I could. enjoy the rest of the summer box pals

[no chewie dont]

:/

[filthyphil]

Rules here are a joke, no point in having them when the players are the ones must enforce them. People call LNS and attack you as soon as they've looted. If you refuse the LNS they upload a screenshot or video totally out of context. You could grief players like this out of the zone before. Now they threaten to report you.

[Nirgon]

I will step up and say I have not done enough for the community to get item loot added

[Malevz]

People quit sub 50 cause they get burnt out. 90%+ of the population is high end, so you don't meet many people leveling up, you get bored and you quit prior to ever reaching high level. That being said the grouping bonus seems to be helping with that. I play alts and leveling and grouping is a lot easier these days.

Also thanks Retti, didn't realize you had a new forum account that wasn't on ignore. My comments came from a place of genuine concern, and I did apologize for them, because it's really none of my business if your children spend all their time crying in the background while you play mmos.

[Dullah]

OOC should be limited to 1 msg every 2 minutes. No reason anyone should have to be subjected to that crap by default. Thats more than enough to find groups or sell items. Anything more needs to be taken to tells.

I've had it off for the last year+ and its the best decision I've made here.

[Andis]

just to get my point across, since it might be missed:

world series of poker - are cheaters allowed to play?
any sport - are players allowed to take human growth hormones?
written exams - are students allowed to cheat?

the answer to all of these questions is NO.

now, are players on red99 allowed to cheat ????????????????

with what derubael is saying, the answer is yes?

am i missing something here? DERUBAEL are you saying cheating on red99 is allowed?

[Malevz]

OOC should be limited to 1 msg every 2 minutes. No reason anyone should have to be subjected to that crap by default. Thats more than enough to find groups or sell items. Anything more needs to be taken to tells.

I've had it off for the last year+ and its the best decision I've made here.

Ender is spot on on this one. Also you shouldn't be able to ooc for 5 minutes after you kill someone in pvp, or someone kills you. No one needs the play by play on every pvp thing that happens on the server. No one gives a shit you're a level 10 with epics that killed a guy in full cloth, and you want to link his gear.

Limit ooc to auctions, groups and stuff, and make a p99chat line so people can talk about how big their epenis is, why they are the best at pvp, who rmt'd whose mom, and all the bullshit people don't need to see.

Whether you want to believe it or not the constant bullshit bickering and turns people off the server.

[Mac Drettj]

np malevz, hope u find help with ur coke/alcohol problem

being 45 and playing mmos while in recovery from bar beatings is unhealthy

genuine concern

[Iandyan]

because they can't handle fungi epic twinks killing them

Pretty much this. Well the fear of this anyway. All the threads about killing noobs makes people think that they will get griefed over and over again until they quit. Ironlion might do that but he also runs noob events/levelling guilds.

Also, people are sheep. The result of every poll that is done asking why blue players don't come to red is "low population".

Population wouldn't be low if more people played. Interdasting.

No one gives a shit about RMT or boxing. More of that happens on blue anyways.

[Mac Drettj]

lns and pnp protects people from fungi epics twinks

if u cant handle someone stronger than you attacking you, pvp is not your cup of tea

literally 0 "red" people griefed off by pvp

[Iandyan]

lns and pnp protects people from fungi epics twinks

if u cant handle someone stronger than you attacking you, pvp is not your cup of tea

literally 0 "red" people griefed off by pvp

Literally 20 "red" people on this server.

My point is that the server appears to be full of fungi twinks haunting cb/unrest/mm/com to a potential player reading the forums. I have leveled (and died to twinks) in those zones and it's not nearly as bad as it seems.

[Kergan]

I will step up and say I have not done enough for the community to get item loot added

15,000 posts and 9,000 about item loot, still no item loot. Nothing else you could have done Nirgon, you should sleep well at night.

[Mac Drettj]

Literally 20 "red" people on this server.

My point is that the server appears to be full of fungi twinks haunting cb/unrest/mm/com to a potential player reading the forums. I have leveled (and died to twinks) in those zones and it's not nearly as bad as it seems.

150-200 = 20

[Iandyan]

150-200 = 20

you must miss lulz if you're trying this hard to troll me

carry on

[Tewaz]

When I was sub 40, I would log in to try to group in MM or CoM (which is where all the groups are, I know it would have been better elsewhere). That zone either had zero people in it, or groups and PKs. I don't mind PK's that kill you once and then move on, but the people that are just trying to make you log out really are the worst part of this server.

[Kilbur]

Only the strong survive. EQ is challenging compared to other games. Having to go get your corpse on odd spots with no gear on it's a bitch sometimes especially when assholes feel the need to kill corpse less people. This is a big reason people get turned off. Not everyone can hang with EQ pvp. You wonder why the newer games don't have this feature where it is difficult to find your body. Look at WoW you come back as an immune ghost and travel at high speeds with a arrow showing you where your body is lol.... I play here for the challenge ya know??

[Mac Drettj]

thats it! lets make everyone an immune ghost with all their gear on when they die to pvp!

SUCKSES

[Kilbur]

thats it! lets make everyone an immune ghost with all their gear on when they die to pvp!

SUCKSES

Lets not they can play WoW if they want that. But I'm sure it's a big factor. People give up easily

[Kasyra]

You say you want to clean this community? To encourage new players? To make red99 a better environment?

Time to start doing so. If you really care about this community that is.

Rid this server of its constant offenders. And watch Red99 grow.

/signed

King Andis

http://i.imgur.com/Jy3ufjy.gif

[heartbrand]

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Journalism/2013/12/18/Smith1218a.jpg

Hearing reports coming over the newswire that Nihilum Guildleader formerly known as Nizzar [banned] Troriste [Banned] Jizzar [Banned], has just been banned on Nizze. Will report more information as it comes over the wire. Thank you and god bless.

[fiegi 8.0]

EITHER REVOKE CASTS SANCTIONS, OR HAND THEM DOWN TO NIZZAR AS WELL

DOUBLE STANDARDS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

[Rec]

wouldn't this send the population of the server into the teens?

[Kergan]

Unfortunatly there are no real white knights and defenders of newbies in this community. I encourage everyone to make a twink, place them in unrest/mm/CoM and fight on newbies side when they are in trouble. You can look at the leaderboards who likes to farm newbies.

That is exactly what I did with my fungi/CoF/etc twink.

Unfortunately I was bumrushed on multiple occasions by legit bronze wearing newbs for some reason. Maybe they just wanted some PVP I dunno. I never attack first as it is well known I am adverse to all player vs player conflicts and attempt diplomatic resolution when possible. But I gotta defend myself and kill those blue con leather wearing rogues in like 3 swings ya know?

[Buhbuh]

INC NOVEL - "Dazzling," critics say.


It isn't really any surprise that Andis started this thread with "cheaters" and by page three actually gave voice to who he was talking about (Nizzar).

I find it kind of hilarious that you want him banned so desperately. I've been in pretty much every guild on the server, and I know for a fact that these threads come from a place of you thinking Nihilum will fall apart without his leadership, thus giving you the edge server-wide and, to some smaller degree, I admit, you feel it will also help the server as a whole. This is all very transparent, though. It's less about server growth and more about your own personal gain.

You guys were all pals with Sektor in Force/ while in Azrael (and might still be), and you all knew he RMT'd almost everything he had, yet there was no championing for his removal from the server. And you know why? Because no one honestly believes he was that harmful to the server. The only reason you come after Nizzar so fervently is because he represents and is still a big part of why Nihilum is as dominant as it has been.

Keep in mind that your pal and leader Lite would be gone too if you followed this to its logical conclusions. Lots from both guilds would. This is just a childish pointing fingers game, and it will do virtually nothing to the population in the long run.

The reality is that everyone is rustled on these boards, and everyone is ardently against and hateful toward Nihilum because their dominance is stifling (I know this because I've been the resistance before). They're not some group of faggots bent on making your life shit on this emulated server. They're a group of competitive neckbeards who want to hold their position at number one. It's much more plain and bland than nefarious like people seem to believe.

What's more is, no other guild on this server is interested in actually having a dialogue with the guild that runs shit. You have no interest in talking to Nihilum scum, because we're all still fifteen year-olds apparently, and we like to hold gang-like grudges and shit up the entire environment we say we want to build into a bigger and better place. You can still be competitive and be civil. Everyone knows this, but for some reason not here. Here, it's a like a lifelong hatred for the opposition (unless they've decided to switch sides, which means we're instant friends now because they've seen the light of Jesus Christ our savior and aren't a corrupt faggot nerd virgin scumbag like the rest who probably are a lot like me but happen to have a different guild tag so fuck them I'll never speak to them and continue shitting up basically every forum possible to showcase my hate for them and to show new players what side is righteous and just and server-building unlike those similarly 30 year old people who love playing Everquest dipshits in Nihilum).

We are absolutely the problem with this server. There's no doubt. It's proven to us everyday. You just don't know how to see it, or don't want to admit to yourself what it takes to change it.

[mtb tripper]

thith thounds like a good idea. Right guyth?

[Mac Drettj]

stopped at INC NOVEL

[Buhbuh]

stopped at INC NOVEL

good man

[Colgate]

i read it

[Buhbuh]

i read it

bad man

[mikemandella]

Sounds like a good time to join Nihilum if you've got a alt that needs leveled "D

What do you say pal going for 6th banned level 60??

Nizzar, Jizzar, Trioste, your shitty rogue, Nerfette still on?, and now Nizze?

[mtb tripper]

wooters

[Xantille]

i read it

[Buhbuh]

- Oppressor

that sig is syiiiiick

[Malevz]

I find it kind of hilarious that you want him banned so desperately. I've been in pretty much every guild on the server, and I know for a fact that these threads come from a place of you thinking Nihilum will fall apart without his leadership

I was kind of wondering about this myself. Personally I'd rather see the fight won or lost in game. Having a GM ban leadership for a win doesn't seem as interesting as forcing the opposition to take a stand together, level up, and compete for what they want.

[Dullah]

I was kind of wondering about this myself. Personally I'd rather see the fight won or lost in game. Having a GM ban leadership for a win doesn't seem as interesting as forcing the opposition to take a stand together, level up, and compete for what they want.

Ya, pretty pathetic. Not only sad that a crew of people losing on Elfquest have to resort to this, but that staff members would allow themselves to be used as their puppet of destruction.

[Colgate]

didn't nihilum only beat holocaust by getting them banned/deleted?

[heartbrand]

So I guess we should have let all the roid users in baseball keep roiding? Should we allow sports teams to ignore the salary cap? It's not fair competition if one side is cheating.

[Andis]

So I guess we should have let all the roid users in baseball keep roiding? Should we allow sports teams to ignore the salary cap? It's not fair competition if one side is cheating.

quoted heartbrand again

jesus what is going on here

[Buhbuh]

I didn't realize he was banned until right now.

This is more of a 'fuck you' to Willan than anything else.


Half elves. Pfft.

[Mac Drettj]

I skimmed your tldr and noticed a comparison to jess christ

[Utanven]

just to get my point across, since it might be missed:

world series of poker - are cheaters allowed to play?
any sport - are players allowed to take human growth hormones?
written exams - are students allowed to cheat?

the answer to all of these questions is NO.

now, are players on red99 allowed to cheat ????????????????

with what derubael is saying, the answer is yes?

am i missing something here? DERUBAEL are you saying cheating on red99 is allowed?

Who could take you seriously while you guild / raid with sektor, twerk/trypp, willy etc etc cheaters? U just trolling as usual?

[Utanven]

Ender is spot on on this one. Also you shouldn't be able to ooc for 5 minutes after you kill someone in pvp, or someone kills you. No one needs the play by play on every pvp thing that happens on the server. No one gives a shit you're a level 10 with epics that killed a guy in full cloth, and you want to link his gear.

Limit ooc to auctions, groups and stuff, and make a p99chat line so people can talk about how big their epenis is, why they are the best at pvp, who rmt'd whose mom, and all the bullshit people don't need to see.

Whether you want to believe it or not the constant bullshit bickering and turns people off the server.

What? You mean slather/fecal/Roberto etc spamming OOC about dicks n shit turns people away... Who knew

An OOC limit might be good

[Utanven]

INC NOVEL - "Dazzling," critics say.


It isn't really any surprise that Andis started this thread with "cheaters" and by page three actually gave voice to who he was talking about (Nizzar).

I find it kind of hilarious that you want him banned so desperately. I've been in pretty much every guild on the server, and I know for a fact that these threads come from a place of you thinking Nihilum will fall apart without his leadership, thus giving you the edge server-wide and, to some smaller degree, I admit, you feel it will also help the server as a whole. This is all very transparent, though. It's less about server growth and more about your own personal gain.

You guys were all pals with Sektor in Force/ while in Azrael (and might still be), and you all knew he RMT'd almost everything he had, yet there was no championing for his removal from the server. And you know why? Because no one honestly believes he was that harmful to the server. The only reason you come after Nizzar so fervently is because he represents and is still a big part of why Nihilum is as dominant as it has been.

Keep in mind that your pal and leader Lite would be gone too if you followed this to its logical conclusions. Lots from both guilds would. This is just a childish pointing fingers game, and it will do virtually nothing to the population in the long run.

The reality is that everyone is rustled on these boards, and everyone is ardently against and hateful toward Nihilum because their dominance is stifling (I know this because I've been the resistance before). They're not some group of faggots bent on making your life shit on this emulated server. They're a group of competitive neckbeards who want to hold their position at number one. It's much more plain and bland than nefarious like people seem to believe.

What's more is, no other guild on this server is interested in actually having a dialogue with the guild that runs shit. You have no interest in talking to Nihilum scum, because we're all still fifteen year-olds apparently, and we like to hold gang-like grudges and shit up the entire environment we say we want to build into a bigger and better place. You can still be competitive and be civil. Everyone knows this, but for some reason not here. Here, it's a like a lifelong hatred for the opposition (unless they've decided to switch sides, which means we're instant friends now because they've seen the light of Jesus Christ our savior and aren't a corrupt faggot nerd virgin scumbag like the rest who probably are a lot like me but happen to have a different guild tag so fuck them I'll never speak to them and continue shitting up basically every forum possible to showcase my hate for them and to show new players what side is righteous and just and server-building unlike those similarly 30 year old people who love playing Everquest dipshits in Nihilum).

We are absolutely the problem with this server. There's no doubt. It's proven to us everyday. You just don't know how to see it, or don't want to admit to yourself what it takes to change it.

Spot on. Anyone blaming GMs for providing us a free incredibly stable and hack free server is special. They don't owe us shit u know...

[Colgate]

Who could take you seriously while you guild / raid with sektor, twerk/trypp, willy etc etc cheaters? U just trolling as usual?

LOL?

[Buhbuh]

yaw not sure why people are using the analogy of sports and cheating when countless people from both sides including Lite cheat and break the rules. this place would be a wasteland if you actually answered your own questions from an honest place.

this place is hilarious, you guys flip sides like you eat twinkies.

but HB and retti did work, i must admit.

[Utanven]

LOL?

Ya "LOL" when it's your pals... , twerk is trypp right? I know willy is powered (an Azrael officer)These dudes leveled up by exploiting droga (exploited pathing to ae hundred red con mobs at once). They thought they were real slick lol. I can link the petition post/ screen shots if ya like?

[ChronoTheCleric]

Cheating doesn't have a direct effect on population.

Here is what has a direct effect: Twinks. Killing lowbies in Unrest, Mistmoore, CoM... griefing the new blood off the server has a infinitely more visible role on population.

[Rec]

Lets see all these amazing anti twinks patrol the zones!

[Uuruk]

You are allowed to cheat on red. Just when you get caught you have to start over. Not a big deal with infinite xp bonus.

[Potus]

didn't nihilum only beat holocaust by getting them banned/deleted?

Yes and I believe it was due to some very shady GM discretion.

[Old_PVP]

Why all the confusion over low population on an EQ PVP server? Historically, PVP servers have always been lower population than blue servers, even during EverQuest's prime.

Remember this...EQ live had like 40 blue servers... and only 4 PVP servers. Each PVP server individually averaged a lower population than an individual blue server. Therefore it can safely be assumed that the TOTAL population for Rallos, Sullon, Vallon & Tallon combined was not even 10% of the total subscriber base.

Why would anyone think that Red99 would be any different? It is an emulated version of a 15 year old game for fcks sake. According to the numbers, we are already doing as well as we ever will. We are 10% of the blue server's population.

The real question is...what is so unappealing about EverQuest PVP that drives so many people away? Why is it that only 10% of the population have ever invested time into these servers?

Forget about schemes to entice more people to make the switch from blue to red...instead, enhance PVP for the players which are already here. Get rid of the PnP and other bluebie rules... let players police themselves. Fix resist code, add item loot, remove NO-DROP, whatever is needed. Do what is in the best interest of PVPers, not bluebies. PVPers will eventually come to the server, knowing full well what is in store for them.

[dethbringre]

Not that I disagree with the push to remove rule breakers, but on a pvp server the pnp seemed to reduce the amount of pvp. Clean up the rule breakers and remove the PnP and maybe you'll be on to something.

Maybe players now just see Red as a quasi blue server with the very occasional pvp encounter, maybe its due to PnP? dunno but it seemed like there was more pvp prior.

[Clark]

its a little bit to late for absolutes now, after a wipe or a new box make absolute rules prior to opening the box and keep your word to them, can't do it now when box is dead and 3 years old full of scumbags who got there by being just that, scumbags

[Silent]

That is exactly what I did with my fungi/CoF/etc twink.

Unfortunately I was bumrushed on multiple occasions by legit bronze wearing newbs for some reason. Maybe they just wanted some PVP I dunno. I never attack first as it is well known I am adverse to all player vs player conflicts and attempt diplomatic resolution when possible. But I gotta defend myself and kill those blue con leather wearing rogues in like 3 swings ya know?

I think the only time I ever griefed ACTUAL new players to red on a twinked alt was when Vaporize and I destroyed like 4 blue players who were trying to exp in Unrest. Vapo had 2 lvl 25-30 SK's parked there for insta HTs and I had my 30 SK. The only reason we kept killing them was because they just started talking constant shit about red, and how immature everyone on red was despite the fact after one kill each they had a good 20 mins we gave them to call LNS but they insisted on repeatedly dying at their bind point over and over while crying how bad red is and that they were going back to their awesome blue server to kill dragons we would never see on red :confused::confused::confused: I don't remember offhand what guild on blue they were from, one of the top 3 blue guilds iirc. One GM sat there watching the entire thing and even agreed with what we did after how poorly they reacted to being pk'd for the first time. Most of the time other GM's like Sirken etc don't like when people do it.

[Visual]

its a little bit to late for absolutes now, after a wipe or a new box make absolute rules prior to opening the box and keep your word to them, can't do it now when box is dead and 3 years old full of scumbags who got there by being just that, scumbags

p: wipe is cleanly
p: cleanliness is godliness
c: wipe = god

[Psykes]

I think the only time I ever griefed ACTUAL new players to red on a twinked alt was when Vaporize and I destroyed like 4 blue players who were trying to exp in Unrest. Vapo had 2 lvl 25-30 SK's parked there for insta HTs and I had my 30 SK. The only reason we kept killing them was because they just started talking constant shit about red, and how immature everyone on red was despite the fact after one kill each they had a good 20 mins we gave them to call LNS but they insisted on repeatedly dying at their bind point over and over while crying how bad red is and that they were going back to their awesome blue server to kill dragons we would never see on red :confused::confused::confused: I don't remember offhand what guild on blue they were from, one of the top 3 blue guilds iirc. One GM sat there watching the entire thing and even agreed with what we did after how poorly they reacted to being pk'd for the first time. Most of the time other GM's like Sirken etc don't like when people do it.


Way to tell everyone you guys box

[Nudalus]

Long and short reason for turnover:

-Game is super topheavy, no groups for mid-levels many times

-If you try to group in Unrest/MM during peak hours you are griefed to hell. (Congratulations on having a fungi and having every twink item under the sun, and have to take on level 30's because you can't take on someone on par with your own gear...)

-You basically solo from 1-50, then you get run over by the top 1%, while being un-guilded. Sure we can join a random small guild, and still get steamrolled. Or join a zerg, and just be a number, and have a target painted on your back.

-Wipe won't do anything, it'll be back in the same situation after a month, or a few months.

-Teams will give the middle-end players a bit more safety, as you have a bunch of other players on your faction to defend you, but the leveling will still be painful.

[Andis]

I want to thank whoever made this possible it really is a great direction for this server .. Let the pvp begin

Red99 trimming the fat one at a time

Pras gms for doing what is right

Pras Heartbrand for sealing the deal

Let the games begin

[Smedy]

hold the prases until you realize 99% of nihilium is now known as holocaust

[Andis]

Smedy bro good time to come back

Pvp inc

[no chewie dont]

Why all the confusion over low population on an EQ PVP server? Historically, PVP servers have always been lower population than blue servers, even during EverQuest's prime.

Remember this...EQ live had like 40 blue servers... and only 4 PVP servers. Each PVP server individually averaged a lower population than an individual blue server. Therefore it can safely be assumed that the TOTAL population for Rallos, Sullon, Vallon & Tallon combined was not even 10% of the total subscriber base.

Why would anyone think that Red99 would be any different? It is an emulated version of a 15 year old game for fcks sake. According to the numbers, we are already doing as well as we ever will. We are 10% of the blue server's population.

The real question is...what is so unappealing about EverQuest PVP that drives so many people away? Why is it that only 10% of the population have ever invested time into these servers?

Forget about schemes to entice more people to make the switch from blue to red...instead, enhance PVP for the players which are already here. Get rid of the PnP and other bluebie rules... let players police themselves. Fix resist code, add item loot, remove NO-DROP, whatever is needed. Do what is in the best interest of PVPers, not bluebies. PVPers will eventually come to the server, knowing full well what is in store for them.

[Tradesonred]

Theres no way Andis didnt know about Lite boxing if i did

People acting like theyre angels, pretty funny

Main problem with box is its too heavy on the toxic side, Rallos had that but balanced with some Anti-PKs and even guilds like FoH were humourous, not the "haha kill yourself you suck at life" "funny"

If you want to help server health, grief idiots like smallmee off the box

Oh wait, pnp

[derpcake]

+1 to OP, didn't bother with the rest.

Also: http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=0hcEiEyylEA

[Mac Drettj]

Tradesonred Tradesonred is offline
Banned

[Eslade]

Tradesonred Tradesonred is offline
Banned

Finally.

[Smedy]

thank you staff, doing gods work lately

[Azure]

You say you want to clean this community? To encourage new players? To make red99 a better environment?

Time to start doing so. If you really care about this community that is.

Rid this server of its constant offenders. And watch Red99 grow.

/signed

King Andis

You first.

Oh yeah, and deru is wise lol

P.S. 1999 pvp EQ past 40 is to sadistically boring for people who have a glimmer of life left in them.

[Buhbuh]

Colgate sold his character to the duke and only him and Rallyd on Gongshow run shit.

We also recently caught Azrael harboring Hokuten in their attics , and with our disgustingly inappropriate but apt guild name, we will be "taking care of it."

[Colgate]

a majority of the current holocaust roster is comprised of original members, and we will be cutting some people who got caught in the machine gun invite fire

any holocaust alumni are welcome with open arms to join us

we have rejected MANY people thus far, most of whom are worthless ex-nihilum nutswingers

[Knuckle]

You guys would be surprised if you saw our list of constant rule breakers and server "scum".

This might be news to you, but all the little sub level 40's that quit the box don't care about who you guys want banned. They aren't leaving because person001 cheats at dragons or whatever else. They don't even know that's a thing.

So.... why is there such a high turnover rate for those people? Has anyone tried to speak with them..? How 'bout you guys (the community) focuses on that, and let us worry about the other stuff.

Probably quit because you can't level melee here thought they'd have a classic leveling experience and found out you get banned for two boxing a healer. Or maybe they got bored leveling alone or with twinked alts. Or maybe they RMT to level a melee then got banned. All of those are plausible explanations for Joe newb.

More truths by Knuckle. Pras

[heartbrand]

Probably quit because you can't level melee here thought they'd have a classic leveling experience and found out you get banned for two boxing a healer. Or maybe they got bored leveling alone or with twinked alts. Or maybe they RMT then banned so they could level a melee lol

Truth

[Bazia]

tons of groups easy to level here not sure wut ur talking about

[Clark]

Rest in scum Nihilum.

[Eslade]

Can we move this thread to resolved?

[Jenni D]

Pras colgate the grandmaster.

I hope holocaust dominate this server until rogaine pulls the plug.

[vinnidel]

Utanven p mad i bashed his head in 1v1 with snake staff, trying to dirty twerk's clean whistle. And if you think the accusation that you're making even compares to any verified nihi offense you're fucking delusional.