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Daldaen
08-18-2014, 06:48 PM
Using Elemental Illusions should make you KoS to basically every playable race NPC. First time I realized this was on EQMac using the Form of Protection clicky from PoTime (the Forms originally illusioned you depending on the type).

This was the same deal when my enchanter on Mac would illusion elementals (like Water for PoWater, I'd forget I had it on when going to a classic zone and get wtfaggroed).

Now for the classic evidence:

Everlore 2000 (https://web.archive.org/web/20021231060243/http://www.everlore.com/magic/Magic.asp?ID=4975&mode=details&spname=Illusion:+Air+Elemental&type=)

I don't know how people can turn into an elemental in town and not get KOS! Whenever I play with my forms, especially elemental, in a town, every guard and merchant makes a straight run for me with weapons swinging.

I do NOT recommend trying to 'play with newbies' in towns. On the other hand... in areas where elementals are more common (like Najena)... it is fun.

Caster's Realm 2001 - Earth (https://web.archive.org/web/20011125024540/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spelldescriptions.asp?Id=90)

So I went and bought this spell and wanted to try it out right away so I memed it and casted it on myself and everything seemed to be going fine. I turned into the earth elemt right infront of the NPC who sold it to me. Next thing I know a sentinal comes up and beats the living crap out of me and I die. Does it make sense that in your own guild where you by a spell if you cast it on yourself things attack you?!?! That really sucked. Make sure you don't be in a hurry to cast in while your in that city. The guards do attack. Also: In FP the guards WILL attack you if you use this spell. I found out the hard way with that also. This spell is good when you are encumbured and need some extra weight allowance. I use it alot for that reason alone.



Do not use this spell in Felwithe. I was impressing a newbie and running around. Well tried to bank and suddenly was getting slashed for 96 damage repeatedly. Was like WTF!! Well evidently this illusion is KoS to guards. Maybe everybody knew that except me or maybe I'll save one life with this post.

Caster's Realm 2001 - Air (https://web.archive.org/web/20010116113000/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spelldescriptions.asp?Id=101)

A word of caution. Before you use this around guards, get out of range and then cast the illusion. Then con the guard. I've been killed a couple of times in Freeport and Halas by guards who did not like me after I cast this illusion. Grublite Level 30 Enchanter Innoruuk


tl;dr These illusions made you KoS in every starter city. They did have benefits, like the Water Elemental Illusion makes you non-KoS to aqua goblins:

EQ Caster's Realm 2001 - Water (https://web.archive.org/web/20011125033334/http://eq.castersrealm.com/spells/spelldescriptions.asp?Id=102)

You'll con indifferent to the water gobbies that wander around Dagnor's Cauldron. So if you have to afk or med, you can use this. Lasts longer and more reliable than Invis.
Now, if we could only do something about that stupid Scalded Rat...

I'd imagine it follows for ice goblins and fire for fire goblins, but don't have any quotes at this time.

Nirgon
08-18-2014, 07:04 PM
Yeah exactly. Ignite bones would cause guards to aggro on someone if it landed (fixed at some point).

Yumyums Inmahtumtums
08-18-2014, 10:52 PM
I'm kos in every city with Ele illusion on already...

Why the but report? What cities are exempt (will admit I haven't tried it in ALL the cities but I'm sure others will back me up).

Daldaen
08-19-2014, 12:02 AM
Pretty sure I had air elemental illusioned in Felwithe and Kaladim with no aggro.

planarity
08-19-2014, 07:07 AM
I know that old guides for the mystic cloak quest suggest using an earth elemental illusion potion for I believe the felwithe turnin (if not the erudin one, can't remember).

Daldaen
08-19-2014, 09:09 AM
Interesting... I agree with you because I recall reading that when I did Mystic Cloak on my wizard...

It's possible that it just makes you KoS to all city guards, since that's what it sounds like it aggroing people in the posts above.

Nirgon
08-19-2014, 11:32 AM
Ya should be with the "guard factions".

Nirgon
08-19-2014, 02:07 PM
Here ya go

http://www.oocities.org/xymarra/Strategy/EnchanterStrategy.html

Elemental, wolf, skeleton and imp forms are not welcome in many towns. Check your factions carefully before you use an illusion form near NPCs who are not normally hostile. Target one of them and move far away to test the spell.

Daldaen
08-19-2014, 02:15 PM
True that. Wolf and Skeleton too.

However as stated previously, those illusions would make you friendly in normally unfriendly places like Brownie village in LFay.

I'll dig up some wolf form quotes later tonight.

Nirgon
08-19-2014, 02:20 PM
ight want to confirm if this applies to pets taking these forms too.

This is a tough dig... good luck :).

Vega
08-19-2014, 10:11 PM
Using Elemental Illusions should make you KoS to basically every playable race NPC.

This seems like it may be a little bit of a generalization. The evidence you showed appears to be for good race city guards. Do you have anything about evil race guards (say Neriak or OT)?

Daldaen
08-19-2014, 10:25 PM
Gosh I keep finding interdasting Infos:

REFRESH POSSIBLE AFTER 1/20/2000 PATCH?, By Diznitch of tunare

Now that Lev can be refreshed because of the Jan20,2000 patch, does that mean this spell will refresh as well? ...(Note from Greatsmith) Unlikely. I would be surprised if they did make it refreshable, but generally, they would put any change in the patch message, as Air Elemental form is quite different from levitate.

LEVITATE RULES APPLY, By Remelio gemweaver - lvl 29 high elf enchanter - tarew marr

You cannot refresh this animation because it has a levitation component built into it. Just thought everyone should know!

Apparently before that patch levitates could not be refreshed until they wore off?!

As for the evil cities comment, figured it would follow for all cities since elementals are generally KoS to all, regardless of race (see air elemental in EC). Would have to dig a bit more to find a quote about an evil city guard being unhappy with them.

Tuffpuppy
08-19-2014, 11:25 PM
Gosh I keep finding interdasting Infos:





Apparently before that patch levitates could not be refreshed until they wore off?!

As for the evil cities comment, figured it would follow for all cities since elementals are generally KoS to all, regardless of race (see air elemental in EC). Would have to dig a bit more to find a quote about an evil city guard being unhappy with them.


Could have been a bug from the previous patch or something.

Potus
08-20-2014, 12:54 AM
I know that old guides for the mystic cloak quest suggest using an earth elemental illusion potion for I believe the felwithe turnin (if not the erudin one, can't remember).

Yeah you have to be illusioned to do mystic cloak as a Necro.

planarity
08-20-2014, 05:16 AM
It's possible that it's related to diety, i.e., earth elemental = brell = not KOS in kaladim, Fire elemental = sol ro = not KOS in sol temple, and so on.

Daldaen
08-20-2014, 08:09 AM
Good find, I can agree with everything in that post... dunno when NDT was fixed but I certainly don't remember it being non-KOS to all on Mac server.