Saint Louis

[phacemeltar]

can anyone tell me if this is shopped?

http://i.imgur.com/gytxuII.jpg

[mtb tripper]

im sure haha

[phacemeltar]

it popped up on http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/ but it disappeared shortly after.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Stop using reddit you retard.

[phacemeltar]

no youre a retard. why would i stop using reddit?

[mtb tripper]

reddit is cool

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

no youre a retard. why would i stop using reddit?
Well for one, it's endorsed by Charles Manson obsessed drug addicts?
reddit is cool

[Rust1d?]

Anybody else getting sick and tired of nigs?

[myriverse]

Probably not shopped. We get those trains every so often through here.

[Orruar]

Lots of trains move through St. Louis. When the military needs to move tanks from point A to point B, they don't just drive them at 20 mph cross country.

[Swish]

Reddit does some subreddits well and some really badly.

The gif section there is a joke of repost upon repost. Keep away unless you're new to them :p

[Thulack]

Have you never seen the video of like 10 miles worth of traincars carrying tanks through the desert? Shits gotta get transported somehow.

[Glenzig]

Lots of trains move through St. Louis. When the military needs to move tanks from point A to point B, they don't just drive them at 20 mph cross country.

Yeah. Why is this shocking to anyone? Trains full of hummers and tanks move through my area all the time. That and 20 vehicle long convoys of military supply trucks moving down the interstate on a regular basis. Been this way for decades.

[Lopretni]

Welcome to the United Police States of America! :) enjoy ur stay citizen or else

[Sidelle]

Wtf... "We're mad at the cops so it's time to start a riot, destroy other people's property, and steal an assload of whatever the fuck I want."

This is disgusting behavior and these people are so stupid that they don't realize what a cliche they are. What a pack of scumbags.

[Hershey]

314 represent. Dude got shot literally 2 streets away from mine, and the "protesters" burned down a quiktrip lol.

[Whirled]

What? no responses to bomb them yet?

[mtb tripper]

yeah police shot some guy in saint louis, kinda crazy after you posted this

[Hershey]

Im sure thats why he posted this lol happened friday night

[phacemeltar]

shits still going strong.. theyre talking about bringing in the national guard on tv

[India]

It's calmed a lot compared to Sunday. Hopefully the worst is over

[Tradesonred]

Yeah everythings under control

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/53ea3c2decad0485030b3928-1200-858/ap287279624779.jpg

First they came for the blacks, i didnt say anything because i wasnt black...

Sleep tight america

[Hershey]

It's calmed a lot compared to Sunday. Hopefully the worst is over

police shot another dude today, but the dude ran up to them with a gun, and a woman got shot in a drive-by shooting.

Remember when white people rioted cus OJ was acquited? Oh yea, me neither.

[Tradesonred]

Hershey has absolutely no fucking idea what hes talking about

With the smallest of efforts you can find out whats going on in ferguson and its a window into our future

People with racist blinders are the worst fucking dead weight to carry around for the rest of us who give a shit if we live in a democracy or not

[Tradesonred]

And yea i live in Canada, so cops dont point assault rifles at unarmed citizens

Yet

[phacemeltar]

this just popped up on the twitter live feed:

"The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming"

[phacemeltar]

amusing read: http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

racist blinders

I don't think phrase means what you think it means.

[Leeyuuduu]

And yea i live in Canada, so cops dont point assault rifles at unarmed citizens

Yet

They might if those citizens were on some serious meds and had assault rifles themselves. You think that shit in Moncton two months ago was bad? That's like an every month thing in the US.

[radditsu]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3173717/


Tanks off to be immediately mothballed just so a few jobs can be saved. Oh and the kickbacks. Good lord the kickbacks.

[Tradesonred]

tear gassing media

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvAqDHQCAAAovoz.jpg

Response to peaceful protest, machine gun aiming at protesters, iraq? Naw USA

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu9KO0PIQAATkMJ.jpg

Chickens comin home to roost

[Tradesonred]

Arresting Antonio French, an elected official who had been providing people outside Ferguson with info about the situation on the ground

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/antonio-french-alderman-arrest-ferguson-missouri/14042391/

[Misto]

Yeah everythings under control

http://i58.tinypic.com/10if47k.jpg

First they came for the blacks, i didnt say anything because i wasnt black...

Sleep tight america

There are 4 Black People in this photo and only 3 White People.

You are a retard.

[Tradesonred]

Yeah selling out your own people for monetary and other sorts of advantages, nothing new

[Sidelle]

Yeah selling out your own people for monetary and other sorts of advantages, nothing new

What's with the "your own people" shit? Do you realize you seem a bit racist yourself, whether you intend to or not.

[Rust1d?]

13% of the population of the USA gets flown back to Africa. Crime drops 50%. Welfare costs go down 37%. Food stamp usage drops 33%. HUD is dissolved for lack of need. 100% of them are killed by their own people as they get off the planes cause the real Africans can't stand them. America starts heading towards solvency again and Andy Griffith can go back to not wearing a gun while patrolling Mayberry.

Now we can concentrate on important things like infrastructure, protecting our borders, schools and helping the homeless/jobless.

How is this a BAD thing?

Someone please explain that to me?

According to Casenet, this unarmed teen has been
charge with Description:
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony
Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Assault 1st Degree - Serious Physical
Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony
Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Of course his Juvenile record is unavailable and he
hasn't been 18 for all that long
WHY IS THE NEWS PORTRAYING HIM AS A GOOD
KID"
Maybe this time he wasn't doing anything wrong.
We'll never really know the truth

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

13% of the population of the USA gets flown back to Africa. Crime drops 50%. Welfare costs go down 37%. Food stamp usage drops 33%. HUD is dissolved for lack of need. 100% of them are killed by their own people as they get off the planes cause the real Africans can't stand them. America starts heading towards solvency again and Andy Griffith can go back to not wearing a gun while patrolling Mayberry.

Now we can concentrate on important things like infrastructure, protecting our borders, schools and helping the homeless/jobless.

How is this a BAD thing?

Someone please explain that to me?

According to Casenet, this unarmed teen has been
charge with Description:
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony
Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Assault 1st Degree - Serious Physical
Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony
Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Of course his Juvenile record is unavailable and he
hasn't been 18 for all that long
WHY IS THE NEWS PORTRAYING HIM AS A GOOD
KID"
Maybe this time he wasn't doing anything wrong.
We'll never really know the truth

Cuz racism is bad yo.

[Rust1d?]

You know what England did with all of its criminals?

[Whirled]

Fort Lost in the Woods is a few hours south & since that's home of the engineers & heavy equipment repairers....

[MrSparkle001]

Pay careful attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

[Rust1d?]

Pay careful attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

He is like 1 in 10,000 and that is the problem. Just watch The Wire. Pretty much explains it all.

[Rec]

Fucking police wussing out. I wanted more exciting night vision tear gas action tonight.

[iruinedyourday]

13% of the population of the USA gets flown back to Africa. Crime drops 50%. Welfare costs go down 37%. Food stamp usage drops 33%. HUD is dissolved for lack of need. 100% of them are killed by their own people as they get off the planes cause the real Africans can't stand them. America starts heading towards solvency again and Andy Griffith can go back to not wearing a gun while patrolling Mayberry.

Now we can concentrate on important things like infrastructure, protecting our borders, schools and helping the homeless/jobless.

How is this a BAD thing?

Someone please explain that to me?

According to Casenet, this unarmed teen has been
charge with Description:
Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony
Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Assault 1st Degree - Serious Physical
Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Next Charge/Judgment
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony
Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Of course his Juvenile record is unavailable and he
hasn't been 18 for all that long
WHY IS THE NEWS PORTRAYING HIM AS A GOOD
KID"
Maybe this time he wasn't doing anything wrong.
We'll never really know the truth

http://media.giphy.com/media/cDjHs0CCAmo5q/giphy.gif

[Tradesonred]

He is like 1 in 10,000 and that is the problem. Just watch The Wire. Pretty much explains it all.

Actually this explains it all but cant expect some of you dumbasses to read

Yeah the problem is black folks marchin and some uncle tom put the finger on it

And boohoo hoo the police shot my unarmed 18 year old boo hoo fuckin hoo

----------------------------------------------

This story first appeared on the TomDispatch website.

Jason Westcott was afraid.

One night last fall, he discovered via Facebook that a friend of a friend was planning with some co-conspirators to break in to his home. They were intent on stealing Wescott's handgun and a couple of TV sets. According to the Facebook message, the suspect was planning on "burning" Westcott, who promptly called the Tampa Bay police and reported the plot.

According to the Tampa Bay Times, the investigating officers responding to Westcott's call had a simple message for him: "If anyone breaks into this house, grab your gun and shoot to kill."

Around 7:30 pm on May 27th, the intruders arrived. Westcott followed the officers' advice, grabbed his gun to defend his home, and died pointing it at the intruders. They used a semiautomatic shotgun and handgun to shoot down the 29-year-old motorcycle mechanic. He was hit three times, once in the arm and twice in his side, and pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital.

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The intruders, however, weren't small-time crooks looking to make a small score. Rather they were members of the Tampa Bay Police Department's SWAT team, which was executing a search warrant on suspicion that Westcott and his partner were marijuana dealers. They had been tipped off by a confidential informant, whom they drove to Westcott's home four times between February and May to purchase small amounts of marijuana, at $20-$60 a pop. The informer notified police that he saw two handguns in the home, which was why the Tampa Bay police deployed a SWAT team to execute the search warrant.

In the end, the same police department that told Westcott to protect his home with defensive force killed him when he did. After searching his small rental, the cops indeed found weed, two dollars' worth, and one legal handgun—the one he was clutching when the bullets ripped into him.

Welcome to a new era of American policing, where cops increasingly see themselves as soldiers occupying enemy territory, often with the help of Uncle Sam's armory, and where even nonviolent crimes are met with overwhelming force and brutality.


The War on Your Doorstep

The cancer of militarized policing has long been metastasizing in the body politic. It has been growing ever stronger since the first Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams were born in the 1960s in response to that decade's turbulent mix of riots, disturbances, and senseless violence like Charles Whitman's infamous clock-tower rampage in Austin, Texas.

While SWAT isn't the only indicator that the militarization of American policing is increasing, it is the most recognizable. The proliferation of SWAT teams across the country and their paramilitary tactics have spread a violent form of policing designed for the extraordinary but in these years made ordinary. When the concept of SWAT arose out of the Philadelphia and Los Angeles Police Departments, it was quickly picked up by big city police officials nationwide. Initially, however, it was an elite force reserved for uniquely dangerous incidents, such as active shooters, hostage situations, or large-scale disturbances.

Nearly a half-century later, that's no longer true.

In 1984, according to Radley Balko's Rise of the Warrior Cop, about 26% of towns with populations between 25,000 and 50,000 had SWAT teams. By 2005, that number had soared to 80% and it's still rising, though SWAT statistics are notoriously hard to come by.

As the number of SWAT teams has grown nationwide, so have the raids. Every year now, there are approximately 50,000 SWAT raids in the United States, according to Professor Pete Kraska of Eastern Kentucky University's School of Justice Studies. In other words, roughly 137 times a day a SWAT team assaults a home and plunges its inhabitants and the surrounding community into terror.


Upping the Racial Profiling Ante

In a recently released report, "War Comes Home," the American Civil Liberties Union (my employer) discovered that nearly 80% of all SWAT raids it reviewed between 2011 and 2012 were deployed to execute a search warrant.

Pause here a moment and consider that these violent home invasions are routinely used against people who are only suspected of a crime. Up-armored paramilitary teams now regularly bash down doors in search of evidence of a possible crime. In other words, police departments increasingly choose a tactic that often results in injury and property damage as its first option, not the one of last resort. In more than 60% of the raids the ACLU investigated, SWAT members rammed down doors in search of possible drugs, not to save a hostage, respond to a barricade situation, or neutralize an active shooter.

On the other side of that broken-down door, more often than not, are blacks and Latinos. When the ACLU could identify the race of the person or people whose home was being broken into, 68% of the SWAT raids against minorities were for the purpose of executing a warrant in search of drugs. When it came to whites, that figure dropped to 38%, despite the well-known fact that blacks, whites, and Latinos all use drugs at roughly the same rates. SWAT teams, it seems, have a disturbing record of disproportionately applying their specialized skill set within communities of color.

Think of this as racial profiling on steroids in which the humiliation of stop and frisk is raised to a terrifying new level.


Everyday Militarization

Don't think, however, that the military mentality and equipment associated with SWAT operations are confined to those elite units. Increasingly, they're permeating all forms of policing.

As Karl Bickel, a senior policy analyst with the Justice Department's Community Policing Services office, observes, police across America are being trained in a way that emphasizes force and aggression. He notes that recruit training favors a stress-based regimen that's modeled on military boot camp rather than on the more relaxed academic setting a minority of police departments still employ. The result, he suggests, is young officers who believe policing is about kicking ass rather than working with the community to make neighborhoods safer. Or as comedian Bill Maher reminded officers recently: "The words on your car, ‘protect and serve,' refer to us, not you."

This authoritarian streak runs counter to the core philosophy that supposedly dominates twenty-first-century American thinking: community policing. Its emphasis is on a mission of "keeping the peace" by creating and maintaining partnerships of trust with and in the communities served. Under the community model, which happens to be the official policing philosophy of the US government, officers are protectors but also problem solvers who are supposed to care, first and foremost, about how their communities see them. They don't command respect, the theory goes: they earn it. Fear isn't supposed to be their currency. Trust is.

Nevertheless, police recruiting videos, as in those from California's Newport Beach Police Department and New Mexico's Hobbs Police Department, actively play up not the community angle but militarization as a way of attracting young men with the promise of Army-style adventure and high-tech toys. Policing, according to recruiting videos like these, isn't about calmly solving problems; it's about you and your boys breaking down doors in the middle of the night.

SWAT's influence reaches well beyond that. Take the increasing adoption of battle-dress uniforms (BDUs) for patrol officers. These militaristic, often black, jumpsuits, Bickel fears, make them less approachable and possibly also more aggressive in their interactions with the citizens they're supposed to protect.

A small project at Johns Hopkins University seemed to bear this out. People were shown pictures of police officers in their traditional uniforms and in BDUs. Respondents, the survey indicated, would much rather have a police officer show up in traditional dress blues. Summarizing its findings, Bickel writes, "The more militaristic look of the BDUs, much like what is seen in news stories of our military in war zones, gives rise to the notion of our police being an occupying force in some inner city neighborhoods, instead of trusted community protectors."


Where Do They Get Those Wonderful Toys?

"I wonder if I can get in trouble for doing this," the young man says to his buddy in the passenger seat as they film the Saginaw County Sheriff Office's new toy: a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle. As they film the MRAP from behind, their amateur video has a Red Dawn-esque feel, as if an occupying military were now patrolling this Michigan county's streets. "This is getting ready for f**king crazy times, dude," one young man comments. "Why," his friend replies, "has our city gotten that f**king bad?"

In fact, nothing happening in Saginaw County warranted the deployment of an armored vehicle capable of withstanding bullets and the sort of improvised explosive devices that insurgent forces have regularly planted along roads in America's recent war zones. Sheriff William Federspiel, however, fears the worst. "As sheriff of the county, I have to put ourselves in the best position to protect our citizens and protect our property," he told a reporter. "I have to prepare for something disastrous."

Lucky for Federspiel, his exercise in paranoid disaster preparedness didn't cost his office a penny. That $425,000 MRAP came as a gift, courtesy of Uncle Sam, from one of our far-flung counterinsurgency wars. The nasty little secret of policing's militarization is that taxpayers are subsidizing it through programs overseen by the Pentagon, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Justice Department.

Take the 1033 program. The Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) may be an obscure agency within the Department of Defense, but through the 1033 program, which it oversees, it's one of the core enablers of American policing's excessive militarization. Beginning in 1990, Congress authorized the Pentagon to transfer its surplus property free of charge to federal, state, and local police departments to wage the war on drugs. In 1997, Congress expanded the purpose of the program to include counterterrorism in section 1033 of the defense authorization bill. In one single page of a 450-page law, Congress helped sow the seeds of today's warrior cops.

The amount of military hardware transferred through the program has grown astronomically over the years. In 1990, the Pentagon gave $1 million worth of equipment to US law enforcement. That number had jumped to nearly $450 million in 2013. Overall, the program has shipped off more than $4.3 billion worth of materiel to state and local cops, according to the DLA.

In its recent report, the ACLU found a disturbing range of military gear being transferred to civilian police departments nationwide. Police in North Little Rock, Arkansas, for instance, received 34 automatic and semi-automatic rifles, two robots that can be armed, military helmets, and a Mamba tactical vehicle. Police in Gwinnet County, Georgia, received 57 semi-automatic rifles, mostly M-16s and M-14s. The Utah Highway Patrol, according to a Salt Lake City Tribune investigation, got an MRAP from the 1033 program, and Utah police received 1,230 rifles and four grenade launchers. After South Carolina's Columbia Police Department received its very own MRAP worth $658,000, its SWAT Commander Captain E.M. Marsh noted that 500 similar vehicles had been distributed to law enforcement organizations across the country.

Astoundingly, one-third of all war materiel parceled out to state, local, and tribal police agencies is brand new. This raises further disconcerting questions: Is the Pentagon simply wasteful when it purchases military weapons and equipment with taxpayer dollars? Or could this be another downstream, subsidized market for defense contractors? Whatever the answer, the Pentagon is actively distributing weaponry and equipment made for US counterinsurgency campaigns abroad to police who patrol American streets and this is considered sound policy in Washington. The message seems striking enough: what might be necessary for Kabul might also be necessary for DeKalb County.

In other words, the twenty-first-century war on terror has melded thoroughly with the twentieth-century war on drugs, and the result couldn't be anymore disturbing: police forces that increasingly look and act like occupying armies.


How the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice Are Up-Armoring the Police

When police departments look to muscle up their arms and tactics, the Pentagon isn't the only game in town. Civilian agencies are in on it, too.

During a 2011 investigation, reporters Andrew Becker and G.W. Schulz discovered that, since 9/11, police departments watching over some of the safest places in America have used $34 billion in grant funding from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to militarize in the name of counterterrorism.

In Fargo, North Dakota, for example, the city and its surrounding county went on an $8 million spending spree with federal money, according to Becker and Schulz. Although the area averaged less than two murders a year since 2005, every squad car is now armed with an assault rifle. Police also have access to Kevlar helmets that can stop heavy firepower as well as an armored truck worth approximately $250,000. In Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1,500 beat cops have been trained to use AR-15 assault rifles with homeland security grant funding.

As with the 1033 program, neither DHS nor state and local governments account for how the equipment, including body armor and drones, is used. While the rationale behind stocking up on these military-grade supplies is invariably the possibility of a terrorist attack, school shooting, or some other horrific event, the gear is normally used to conduct paramilitary drug raids, as Balko notes.

Still, the most startling source of police militarization is the Department of Justice, the very agency officially dedicated to spreading the community policing model through its Community Oriented Policing Services office.

In 1988, Congress authorized the Byrne grant programs in the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, which gave state and local police federal funds to enlist in the government's drug war. That grant program, according to Balko, led to the creation of regional and multi-jurisdictional narcotics task forces, which gorged themselves on federal money and, with little federal, state, or local oversight, spent it beefing up their weapons and tactics. In 2011, 585 of these task forces operated off of Byrne grant funding.

The grants, Balko reports, also incentivized the type of policing that has made the war on drugs such a destructive force in American society. The Justice Department doled out Byrne grants based on how many arrests officers made, how much property they seized, and how many warrants they served. The very things these narcotics task forces did very well. "As a result," Balko writes, "we have roving squads of drug cops, loaded with SWAT gear, who get money if they conduct more raids, make more arrests, and seize more property, and they are virtually immune to accountability if they get out of line."

Regardless of whether this militarization has occurred due to federal incentives or executive decision-making in police departments or both, police across the nation are up-armoring with little or no public debate. In fact, when the ACLU requested SWAT records from 255 law enforcement agencies as part of its investigation, 114 denied them. The justifications for such denials varied, but included arguments that the documents contained "trade secrets" or that the cost of complying with the request would be prohibitive. Communities have a right to know how the police do their jobs, but more often than not, police departments think otherwise.


Being the Police Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry

Report by report, evidence is mounting that America's militarized police are a threat to public safety. But in a country where the cops increasingly look upon themselves as soldiers doing battle day in, day out, there's no need for public accountability or even an apology when things go grievously wrong.

If community policing rests on mutual trust between the police and the people, militarized policing operates on the assumption of "officer safety" at all costs and contempt for anyone who sees things differently. The result is an "us versus them" mentality.

Just ask the parents of Bou Bou Phonesavanh. Around 3:00 a.m. on May 28th, the Habersham County Special Response Team conducted a no-knock raid at a relative's home near Cornelia, Georgia, where the family was staying. The officers were looking for the homeowner's son, whom they suspected of selling $50 worth of drugs to a confidential informant. As it happened, he no longer lived there.

Despite evidence that children were present—a minivan in the driveway, children's toys littering the yard, and a Pack ‘n Play next to the door—a SWAT officer tossed a "flashbang" grenade into the home. It landed in 19-month-old Bou Bou's crib and exploded, critically wounding the toddler. When his distraught mother tried to reach him, officers screamed at her to sit down and shut up, telling her that her child was fine and had just lost a tooth. In fact, his nose was hanging off his face, his body had been severely burned, and he had a hole in his chest. Rushed to the hospital, Bou Bou had to be put into a medically induced coma.

The police claimed that it was all a mistake and that there had been no evidence children were present. "There was no malicious act performed," Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "It was a terrible accident that was never supposed to happen." The Phonesavanhs have yet to receive an apology from the sheriff's office. "Nothing. Nothing for our son. No card. No balloon. Not a phone call. Not anything," Bou Bou's mother, Alecia Phonesavanh, told CNN.

Similarly, Tampa Bay Police Chief Jane Castor continues to insist that Jay Westcott's death in the militarized raid on his house was his own fault. "Mr. Westcott lost his life because he aimed a loaded firearm at police officers. You can take the entire marijuana issue out of the picture," Castor said. "If there's an indication that there is armed trafficking going on—someone selling narcotics while they are armed or have the ability to use a firearm—then the tactical response team will do the initial entry."

In her defense of the SWAT raid, Castor simply dismissed any responsibility for Westcott's death. "They did everything they could to serve this warrant in a safe manner," she wrote the Tampa Bay Times—"everything," that is, but find an alternative to storming the home of a man they knew feared for his life.

Almost half of all American households report having a gun, as the ACLU notes in its report. That means the police always have a ready-made excuse for using SWAT teams to execute warrants when less confrontational and less violent alternatives exist.

In other words, if police believe you're selling drugs, beware. Suspicion is all they need to turn your world upside down. And if they're wrong, don't worry; the intent couldn't have been better.


Voices in the Wilderness

The militarization of the police shouldn't be surprising. As Hubert Williams, a former police director of Newark, New Jersey, and Patrick V. Murphy, former commissioner of the New York City Police Department, put it nearly 25 years ago, police are "barometers of the society in which they operate." In post-9/11 America, that means police forces imbued with the "hooah" mentality of soldiers and acting as if they are fighting an insurgency in their own backyard.

While the pace of police militarization has quickened, there has at least been some pushback from current and former police officials who see the trend for what it is: the destruction of community policing. In Spokane, Washington, Councilman Mike Fagan, a former police detective, is pushing back against police officers wearing BDUs, calling the get-up "intimidating" to citizens. In Utah, the legislature passed a bill requiring probable cause before police could execute a no-knock raid. Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank has been a vocal critic of militarization, telling the local paper, "We're not the military. Nor should we look like an invading force coming in." Just recently, Chief Charlie Beck of the Los Angeles Police Department agreed with the ACLU and the Los Angeles Times editorial board that "the lines between municipal law enforcement and the US military cannot be blurred."

Retired Seattle police chief Norm Stamper has also become an outspoken critic of militarizing police forces, noting "most of what police are called upon to do, day in and day out, requires patience, diplomacy, and interpersonal skills." In other words, community policing. Stamper is the chief who green-lighted a militarized response to World Trade Organization protests in his city in 1999 ("The Battle in Seattle"). It's a decision he would like to take back. "My support for a militaristic solution caused all hell to break loose," he wrote in the Nation. "Rocks, bottles and newspaper racks went flying. Windows were smashed, stores were looted, fires lighted; and more gas filled the streets, with some cops clearly overreacting, escalating and prolonging the conflict."

These former policemen and law enforcement officials understand that police officers shouldn't be breaking down any citizen's door at 3 a.m. armed with AR-15s and flashbang grenades in search of a small amount of drugs, while an MRAP idles in the driveway. The anti-militarists, however, are in the minority right now. And until that changes, violent paramilitary police raids will continue to break down the doors of nearly 1,000 American households a week.

War, once started, can rarely be contained.

Matthew Harwood is senior writer/editor at the American Civil Liberties Union and a TomDispatch regular. You can follow him on Twitter @mharwood31. To stay on top of important articles like these, sign up to receive the latest updates from TomDispatch.com here.

[Tradesonred]

The Constitutional Crisis in Ferguson, Missouri

The constitutional crisis that has developed in Ferguson, Missouri, begins as is so often the case with a human tragedy. Michael Brown, an unarmed African-American teenager has lost his life, following an incident—now under investigation not just by local authorities but by the US Department of Justice—in which a witness tells CNN, “I saw the police chase him…down the street and shoot him down.”

When circumstances spin out of control, as they clearly have in Ferguson, it is essential always to remember the human element at the heart of the matter. In another time and another place, the singer Peter Gabriel nailed this with the gripping refrain of “Biko,” his anti-apartheid anthem that steadily reminded the world, “A man is dead, a man is dead.”

What has evolved since the death of Michael Brown, however, illustrates the challenges that arise when law-enforcement officials fail to fully recognize and embrace their dual responsibility: to maintain public safety while at the same time guaranteeing the rights of Americans to speak, to practice journalism, to assemble for the purpose of making demands on those in power.

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon, a former state attorney general, seems to recognize that something had gone badly awry, After another turbulent night in Ferguson, the governor finally cancelled appearances in other parts of the state on Thursday and announced he was going to the community where heavily armed police have confronted, arrested and detained protesters and journalists.

“The worsening situation in Ferguson is deeply troubling, and does not represent who we are as Missourians or as Americans,” declared Nixon, a Democrat who on Thursday afternoon announced plans for an "operational shift" and a "different tone" in the policing of Ferguson. “While we all respect the solemn responsibility of our law enforcement officers to protect the public, we must also safeguard the rights of Missourians to peaceably assemble and the rights of the press to report on matters of public concern.”

Missouis Senator Claire McCaskill was blunt in her declaration that, "We need to demilitarize this situation — this kind of response by the police has become the problem instead of the solution. I obviously respect law enforcement’s work to provide public safety, but my constituents are allowed to have peaceful protests, and the police need to respect that right and protect that right."

When President Obama spoke about Ferguson on Thursday, he too highlighted constitutional concerns. While the president said there was "never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism and looting," he emphasized that there is “no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights. And here in the United States of America, police should not be arresting or bullying journalists who are just trying to do their jobs.”

It is getting difficult to keep count of the number of constitutionally defined protections that have been undermined and neglected in Ferguson. Surely, most lists begin with evidence of a disregard for the promise of equal protection under the law. But they do not end there. The reports from each new day, and especially from each new night, point to a disregard for the First Amendment that tells us no law shall be made “abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Law enforcement agencies have a duty to maintain public safety, to arrest and prosecute those who commit crimes, and to take reasonable steps to prevent violence, looting or riots that might threaten communities. But there is a parallel duty to protect against abridgments of First Amendment rights. The balance can be difficult to strike, but it is when the difficulty arises that the striking of the balance is most important.

When the balance is not kept, there is, as Demos president Heather McGhee says, “an affront to democracy” that must be addressed by local, state and federal officials.

“There is nothing more American than a community uniting in the face of tragedy, than ordinary people organizing to peacefully protest injustice,” says McGhee. “The police reaction—to protests of their own violence—has been more violence, less transparency, and an active suppression of first amendment freedoms.”

In Ferguson, there have been chaotic moments. But there have also been sincere efforts by religious and community leaders to peacefully protest police actions. What is unsettling is the extent to which these protests have been met with overwhelming force and responses that appear to rescind basic rights during much of the day. For instance, citizens were told by the police that they should assemble only during daylight hours and protest only in a “respectful manner.”

The American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri correctly labeled that police statement as “a direct attack on protected expressive liberty.”

“The protests in Ferguson are at the core of the First Amendment’s protection because they deal with matters of public concern,” wrote Jeffrey Mittman, the executive director of the Missouri ACLU, in a letter to the Ferguson police chief. The letter notes that “the protests in Ferguson are subject to a heightened protection for the additional reason that they are peaceful and conducted on public streets and sidewalks.”

Mittman’s letter pays particular attention to the police demand that protests proceed in a “respectful manner.” That, he explains, “is far beyond the bounds of permissible government activity. Government agencies do not get to demand respect from protesters. Respect is something that government officials earn from citizens, and citizens are entitled to express their lack of respect by protest on public streets and sidewalks. Actions to suppress peaceful expressive activity dilute that respect and, thus, are contrary to your request.”

Evidence of the constitutional crisis is also found in reports that journalists who are attempting to cover the story are being harassed, arrested and told to exit the scene. On Wednesday night, reporters for The Washington Post and the Huffington Post were detained by police in Ferguson, in what Washington Post executive editor Marty Baron described as a “wholly unwarranted…assault on the freedom of the press to cover the news.” Later, St. Louis Alderman Antonio French, who has used his Twitter account and interviews to report on developments in the St. Louis suburb, was jailed for most of the night.

“In an American city, people are being tear-gassed and snipers are pointing rifles at them,” French told the St. Louis Post Dispatch after his release Thursday morning. “Everybody should be upset.… (the) heavy-handed police approach is actually making the situation worse.

In particular, French objected in media interviews to police crackdowns on peaceful protests during the evening.

“We have a right to protest 24 hours a day,” the alderman said. “Our constitutional rights don’t expire at 9 p.m.”

Antonio French is right.

That is a basic premise of the American experiment.

It is, as well, a basic premise of effective policing.

During the mass protests at the Wisconsin Capitol in 2011, the top local law enforcement officer on the scene was Dane County Sheriff Dave Mahoney. Protests went on around the clock for weeks with no serious violence or arrests. The situation was tense at times. But police officers and protesters generally got along. As Mahoney explained, “Law enforcement agencies have responsibilities: They have to keep the peace. And they have to assure that citizens are able to exercise their First Amendment rights. There’s something very troubling about the notion that law enforcement agencies should play a role in preventing people from exercising their constitutional rights. That’s not how it is supposed to work.”

The police can strike the proper balance. And the people will respect them when they do so. This week, Mahoney was up for re-election. The sheriff beat his challenger, winning 89 percent of the vote.

[Tradesonred]

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321543/-Proactive-Defense-of-Mike-Brown#

I cannot help but read internet comments on news stories. It's a terrible addiction. Rarely do I comment, as I find it unlikely that my comments will lead to meaningful dialogue (no shit, right?). Anyhow, I have followed the tragic events of Mike Brown's death and the aftermath. Today, while reading comments, I notice that Mike Brown's arrest record is being posted in the comments section on multiple websites. It looks something like this:


Michael Brown's rap sheet on casenet:

Description: Burglary - 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description: Assault 1st Degree - Serious Physical Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD

I was skeptical and searched the case.net site for Missouri and found the record 13SL-CR12675-01 - ST V MICHAEL R BROWN, from which these charges originated. You can readily find this too, by searching for case number 13SL-CR12675-01. Note that the defendant in this case lives in Troy, MO, which is 47 miles from Ferguson, MO, according to Google Maps. Also note that the defendant was born in 1997, which would make him 17, rather than 18. It's safe to say that these charges are being falsely attributed and the person spreading this is libeling Mike Brown.

You can see additional mentions of these charges at various websites by searching for "OCN: AJ006207" on Google.

I don't claim to know what happened the night that Mike Brown was killed in Ferguson, but libeling him after his death is disgusting. At the very least, these charges need to be called out as being falsely attributed when the appear.

[Tradesonred]

Americans should be pissed the fuck off at idiots who are too dumb to see that their propensity to knee jerk racism is helping erode whats left of american constitutional rights.

[MrSparkle001]

Actually this explains it all but cant expect some of you dumbasses to read

Yeah the problem is black folks marchin and some uncle tom put the finger on it


The other problem is people like him are called uncle toms.

He's right, they're wrong, end of story.

[Jerin]

314 represent. Dude got shot literally 2 streets away from mine, and the "protesters" burned down a quiktrip lol.

636 what up!

A shoe store was looted....not 1 pair of work boots taken!

Ghetto Liviiin

[Tradesonred]

The other problem is people like him are called uncle toms.

He's right, they're wrong, end of story.

Nah you can try to lay out your case about where this guy is going when hes making fun of people singing we shall overcome 50 years ago, im listening

[India]

636 what up!

A shoe store was looted....not 1 pair of work boots taken!

Ghetto Liviiin

636 here :)

[Rec]

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

live stream now. They know how to honk their horns

[Rust1d?]

lol if you think this has anything about rights, you are crazy. Our rights went away a long time ago. this is about 13% of the population committing 50% of the crime.

[Hershey]

Hershey has absolutely no fucking idea what hes talking about

With the smallest of efforts you can find out whats going on in ferguson and its a window into our future

People with racist blinders are the worst fucking dead weight to carry around for the rest of us who give a shit if we live in a democracy or not

I literally live 1 street away from everything.

[Tradesonred]

I literally live 1 street away from everything.

And you still dont get it, sad

[phacemeltar]

And you still dont get it, sad

youre not from STL, you dont understand the culture.

EDIT: ive already said too much

[India]

youre not from STL, you dont understand the culture.



Heck even living in St Louis it's hard to understand the culture at times. There's no way an outsider can even begin to.

It's still one of the most diverse, yet segregated cities in America. Despite those that try hardest to overcome these obstacles, the level of separatism only leads to deeper racial hatred and stereotyping at times. This separatism adds fuel to the fire of misunderstanding.

And then we have people who haven't a clue but like to pretend they do. They spout off what they see on the news as "gospel" trying to tell "us" what's wrong. They think they know what's ailing us, they believe they have the remedy.

They don't.

[Rec]

who cares, we got to see people get tear gas'd and that's always fun. I don't care what your skin color is

[Tradesonred]

Well i know racism is a cancer in america

It doesnt take a PHD in STL culture to find something wrong about cops tear gassing cameras

Video footage doesnt lie, i film in Montreal im used to this, media coverage is so bad these days that all you have to do as a citizen to do a better job than corporate media is point a camera at whats going on and roll.

Thats the reason why cops go after citizens filming cop operations, because justice is rotten but those images win the people's court (as you can tell by todays total turn around in cop response to peaceful protests)

The fact i seem more informed than you guys living blocks away tells me you arent interested or dont know how to get access to the raw footage i do

You can start on twitter with the hashtag #ferguson and #nmos14

[Tradesonred]

Its ironic but as an outsider, visiting twice i felt like i immediately knew what was wrong in the US, hardcore racism hasnt gone away, its just less in your face now.

For example, people will go into forums to let go what they really think instead of going spitting on black protesters like in the 50s and 60s

But the end result being i visited NYC thinking things would have been changed in 2010 (sort of like Montreal where you can have sort of ethnic neighboorhoods but everybodys mingled) to find a city still heavily segregated. And i though if that is the heart of progressive america, i can imagine what its like elsewhere and it doesnt look pretty

[Slathar]

You are an idiot and a retard Tradesonred.

[Tradesonred]

You are an idiot and a retard Tradesonred.

thanks for your wisdom filled insight into the subject, adolf

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Well i know racism is a cancer in america

It doesnt take a PHD in STL culture to find something wrong about cops tear gassing cameras

Video footage doesnt lie, i film in Montreal im used to this, media coverage is so bad these days that all you have to do as a citizen to do a better job than corporate media is point a camera at whats going on and roll.

Thats the reason why cops go after citizens filming cop operations, because justice is rotten but those images win the people's court (as you can tell by todays total turn around in cop response to peaceful protests)

The fact i seem more informed than you guys living blocks away tells me you arent interested or dont know how to get access to the raw footage i do

You can start on twitter with the hashtag #ferguson and #nmos14
French fucking Canada. That explains a lot.
Its ironic but as an outsider, visiting twice i felt like i immediately knew what was wrong in the US, hardcore racism hasnt gone away, its just less in your face now.

For example, people will go into forums to let go what they really think instead of going spitting on black protesters like in the 50s and 60s

But the end result being i visited NYC thinking things would have been changed in 2010 (sort of like Montreal where you can have sort of ethnic neighboorhoods but everybodys mingled) to find a city still heavily segregated. And i though if that is the heart of progressive america, i can imagine what its like elsewhere and it doesnt look pretty
Learn to differentiate between classism and racism.

[MrSparkle001]

Nah you can try to lay out your case about where this guy is going when hes making fun of people singing we shall overcome 50 years ago, im listening

What he's actually making fun of are the people who think they're reliving those times and protests and yet act like thugs.

Mind you there are plenty of peaceful, thoughtful protesters who have a legitimate reason to protest. I saw the footage of those cops shooting bean bags and tear gas at the press. There is a problem with those cops, but at the same time there's thugs looting and rioting, and the fact remains that this started because someone resisted arrest and most likely tried to grab an officer's gun.

No there's no proof of that yet but there are confirmed reports that guy was just involved in a strongarm robbery before this so the chances that the story of him going for a cop's gun are true just went up.

[iruinedyourday]

the fact remains that this started because someone resisted arrest and most likely tried to grab an officer's gun.


More like the fact remains that this started because an officer shot another teenager. Why the officer shot the teenager is and never will be really known, so try not to fill in the blanks with he said she said.

A cop is not some special thing or person, they're the same regular person they were before they got their job that's as institutionalized as a McDonalds employee or Starbucks barista.

what this nation needs is cameras everywhere, cops with more tasers and accountability for using any type of force, beyond being moved to a desk job. Like more jail time.

[Orruar]

More like the fact remains that this started because an officer shot another teenager. Why the officer shot the teenager is and never will be really known, so try not to fill in the blanks with he said she said.

Yes, because in our court system, we don't care why a person shoots another person. Trying to determine cause is just an impossibly mysterious problem and so we don't bother ourselves with such unknowns. All we know is a cop shot a teen and that's all we ever need to know, and we won't attempt to use things like science to determine what might have led to that event.

[Rec]

What a surprise, we find out this innocent, unarmed, young, black man was a thug and robbed the store before they shot him.

[iruinedyourday]

Yes, because in our court system, we don't care why a person shoots another person. Trying to determine cause is just an impossibly mysterious problem and so we don't bother ourselves with such unknowns. All we know is a cop shot a teen and that's all we ever need to know, and we won't attempt to use things like science to determine what might have led to that event.

No I'm speaking from a nations perspective. We never really will know because everyone has already decided. All we have to go on is 2 witnesses one friend of the deceased and another the one who made him deceased.

Science is a cool thing but its not able to prove that someone was going to go for the officers gun.

Just hearing that from the accused officer is enough to make everyone who hates poor people to shrug this off as another peasant acting up and a continued perfect record for the police department.

I just don't understand why people think cops never do any wrong.. like how so many people can get killed and everyone can be like, welp another spotless record for the police boys in blue doing their job! They really need more tanks and machine guns!

I am also specifically commenting on the fact that someone just said "the fact remains" that "Most likely" is enough for them to think that its cut and dry... that's stupid!

I want god damned cameras everywhere, i want em on cops and on street corners and shit, the only thing that's going to fix this bullshit that happens like 4 or 5 times a year is if we know for sure that the police are doing their job correctly.

Being a cop should be a huge sacrifice, they ask for the respect from the community as if they are making a huge sacrifice, yet they dont want to be held accountable for anything. It should be a job you take because you want to help people, not be an awesome strong boss of anyone who mess's with you.

My real concern is with police abusing their power. I want to respect them, but they have lost my respect.

[iruinedyourday]

What a surprise, we find out this innocent, unarmed, young, black man was a thug and robbed the store before they shot him.

case and point - heard it on a forum, made his decision.

[Orruar]

No I'm speaking from a nations perspective. We never really will know because everyone has already decided.

Maybe you have already decided, but don't prejudge everyone else based on your own actions.

All we have to go on is 2 witnesses one friend of the deceased and another the one who made him deceased.

And surely mounds of physical evidence, which is the case in almost all crimes. If the situation were truly as hopeless as you think, we might as well dismantle our entire criminal justice system and stop trying to assign guilt to anyone for any crime.

Science is a cool thing but its not able to prove that someone was going to go for the officers gun.

Umm, yes it can. There can be physical signs like skin from the suspect on the gun, etc.

Just hearing that from the accused officer is enough to make everyone who hates poor people to shrug this off as another peasant acting up and a continued perfect record for the police department.

Again, you have a warped view on the world. If it really just took the words from an officer to absolve them of all wrongdoing, they wouldn't have waited days before releasing what they have. And they still haven't released all evidence because they are still going through it in their own internal investigation. You see, our criminal justice system actually takes its time and does its best to determine what happened rather than jump to conclusions as you obviously have.

I just don't understand why people think cops never do any wrong.. like how so many people can get killed and everyone can be like, welp another spotless record for the police boys in blue doing their job! They really need more tanks and machine guns!

More warped thinking on your part. Who are these many people you speak of? You seem to have an insight into the minds of vast numbers of people without any real evidence you possess such powers. The simplemindedness you attribute to others is simply projection on your part.

I am also specifically commenting on the fact that someone just said "the fact remains" that "Most likely" is enough for them to think that its cut and dry... that's stupid!

So you ran into one stupid person and immediately thought large numbers of people think the same way. That's basically like racism, but against all humanity. Specism perhaps?

I want god damned cameras everywhere, i want em on cops and on street corners and shit, the only thing that's going to fix this bullshit that happens like 4 or 5 times a year is if we know for sure that the police are doing their job correctly.

That's great. So you don't trust cops, but you want the government to place cameras everywhere? Interesting case of cognitive dissonance you have. I'm actually cool with the idea of widespread cameras in public places to reduce crime. I just think it's rather silly that you have this incredible hatred of the people who would no doubt be in charge of those cameras.

Being a cop should be a huge sacrifice, they ask for the respect from the community as if they are making a huge sacrifice, yet they dont want to be held accountable for anything. It should be a job you take because you want to help people, not be an awesome strong boss of anyone who mess's with you.

My real concern is with police abusing their power. I want to respect them, but they have lost my respect.

Yeah, so you seem to hate all cops because of the actions of a few? What a refined and intelligent position to take. Do you hate all black people because a few kill each other each year? Do you hate all Jews because of Bernie Madoff?

[Whirled]

http://www.memes.com/img/87757
George Orwell is laughing his ass off in the next realm.

[Orruar]

case and point - heard it on a forum, made his decision.

I think he was speaking about the absurdity of the initial reports of this young man being some kind of paragon of virtue. A good little boy headed to college next year and all. He didn't say anything about whether the police officer's shooting was justified, but rather whether the media portrayal of this man was accurate. But you jumped the gun once again and read far more into his words than is reasonable, only showcasing how you project your own propensity to jump to conclusions.

[Orruar]

http://www.memes.com/img/87757
George Orwell is laughing his ass off in the next realm.

How exactly is that Orwellian? Unless the police can set up cameras in our homes, I don't really see the parallel. And I wonder how much of that 88% drop in complaints was due to people not filing frivolous complaints vs. cops acting much more professional because they know they're being watched. I like the idea of more oversight for everyone working for government, including police.

[Tradesonred]

Shit i deal with police officers all the time, its not orwellian to make em wear cameras, why do you think they always go after the cameras during protests? Because they dont want anything incriminating getting out. If every cop knew he was getting filmed while on duty and any citizen could get access to the footage with a freedom of information act request, cop crime would go down dramatically.

[Whirled]

Asking for cameras everywhere is exactly where that leads; that was your parallel.

[Tradesonred]

Asking for cameras everywhere is exactly where that leads; that was your parallel.

So askin cops to wear em is cameras everywhere how

[Whirled]

....what this nation needs is cameras everywhere....

[Tradesonred]

Yea for sure, cameras on cops good, cameras everywhere bad

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/dTlYqoS.jpg
Simpsons knew what's up.

[iruinedyourday]

Can someone enplane to me how in real life cameras everywhere has proven to be a bad thing, and not cite a science fiction novel as evidence to the contrary?

like where in your daily life or anyone for that matter does a camera on a street corner cause good people to be put in bad situations?

London has cameras all over, are they living in a dystopia because of it?

[iruinedyourday]

I think he was speaking about the absurdity of the initial reports of this young man being some kind of paragon of virtue. A good little boy headed to college next year and all. He didn't say anything about whether the police officer's shooting was justified, but rather whether the media portrayal of this man was accurate. But you jumped the gun once again and read far more into his words than is reasonable, only showcasing how you project your own propensity to jump to conclusions.

Eh, is it? is that what he was a saying? why if I jump to a conclusion about something someone said, wrong, but if you jump to your own conclusion about what he said right?

Does it even matter? Do you really think that arguing over this petty shit is worth anything at all? Are you just simply being a contrarian?

I'm sure under most circumstances we both agree, but instead of making any head way just trolling back and forth and nitpicking shit and misinterpreting everything each one of us is saying.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Can someone enplane to me how in real life cameras everywhere has proven to be a bad thing, and not cite a science fiction novel as evidence to the contrary?

like where in your daily life or anyone for that matter does a camera on a street corner cause good people to be put in bad situations?

London has cameras all over, are they living in a dystopia because of it?

I suggest you research traffic light cameras to figure out the inherent potential issues with keeping surveillance on every area possible. Remember, there is a monetary cost involved to not only set up but to man and maintain such a system.

In traffic light cameras for example, they stopped profiting on red light tickets because people figured out which lights were safe to go through and which ones weren't so the bureaucracy decided to start ticketing speeding via the system. The same thing happened so they started ticketing jaywalking, etc..

You use London as an example, there's one camera for every eleven people in that entire nation and yet in only one out of a thousand crimes did the presence of CCTV help with any investigation. Look up the safety reports yourself, crime/accidents/violence rates across the board are virtually unaffected since the addition of the CCTV surveillance.

Now imagine that but in America where the authorities are guaranteed to find every way they can to exploit such a system to squeeze every penny out of citizen's pockets. Do you really want to be fined for littering every time a wrapper or piece of paper falls out of your pocket when you reach for your phone or car keys?

[iruinedyourday]

I suggest you research traffic light cameras to figure out the inherent potential issues with keeping surveillance on every area possible. Remember, there is a monetary cost involved to not only set up but to man and maintain such a system.

In traffic light cameras for example, they stopped profiting on red light tickets because people figured out which lights were safe to go through and which ones weren't so the bureaucracy decided to start ticketing speeding via the system. The same thing happened so they started ticketing jaywalking, etc..

You use London as an example, there's one camera for every eleven people in that entire nation and yet in only one out of a thousand crimes did the presence of CCTV help with any investigation. Look up the safety reports yourself, crime/accidents/violence rates across the board are virtually unaffected since the addition of the CCTV surveillance.

Now imagine that but in America where the authorities are guaranteed to find every way they can to exploit such a system to squeeze every penny out of citizen's pockets. Do you really want to be fined for littering every time a wrapper or piece of paper falls out of your pocket when you reach for your phone or car keys?

Yea I by no means am saying put cameras everywhere and then also use them to write tickets and arrest people... having a camera everywhere for review during a legal case only would be a fine way to go about business becuse eye witness or whatever is archaic and silly to rely on. Its 2014 ffs, we can do better.

A lot of crimes are caught on tape currently and we don't even have these cameras I'm talkn about.. hell a camera caught Michael brown being aggressive and may help shed light on the entire case as it is.

It isnt really a argument that needs to be had to be honest, the reality is within the next 10 years everyone we'll have a camera on them, they'll be so small you'll be able to paint them onto a wall with a paintbrush I'm sure, google will have live 360 degree imagery of every major city with every small town soon to follow.

I really am not up to speed with the details of CCTV and how well it works now, but overall I think its a good direction. I don't see a database of video as a bad thing for any investigation, even if it helps 1% of the time.

[Aenor]

Anybody else getting sick and tired of nigs?

I bet you advocate the solution at the 1:36:30 mark here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4scgRAJxWc

[radditsu]

St Louis is a dirt town. I would go crazy and shoot people if I had to live there. Kansas city at least has bbq. And Kansas City is terrrrrrrible

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

What could be wrong about requiring all cops to wear cameras? Not that expensive, would solve all these problems. I don't see the downside of that. Any of you have a reasonable objection?

[MrSparkle001]

More like the fact remains that this started because an officer shot another teenager. Why the officer shot the teenager is and never will be really known, so try not to fill in the blanks with he said she said.

I'm not filling in the blanks, unless you think that thug was innocent and did nothing wrong.

One less thug doesn't bother me one bit by the way. Call me an asshole if you want but more of them need eliminating.

[Tradesonred]

Its irrelevant what the character of the person was, did he steal a box of cigars

The question is, was this unarmed person summarily executed


One less thug doesn't bother me one bit by the way. Call me an asshole if you want but more of them need eliminating.

Naw not an asshole, fascist or neo-nazi more like it

[MrSparkle001]

Its irrelevant what the character of the person was, did he steal a box of cigars

The question is, was this unarmed person summarily executed

Not at all irrelevant. Character makes a world of difference in the courtroom. If it's an upstanding officer who shot a thug it makes a difference.

We shall see.

Naw not an asshole, fascist or neo-nazi more like it

Maybe.

[iruinedyourday]

Maybe.

I have less of a problem with some thug than I do a thug cop.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I have less of a problem with some thug than I do a thug cop.

I have as much but different problems with both.

[MrSparkle001]

I have less of a problem with some thug than I do a thug cop.

And I'll take the cop any day over the thug.

[iruinedyourday]

And I'll take the cop any day over the thug.

wait you'd rather have a thug cop than a thug 18 year old child on the street?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

18 year old child

Does not compute.

[iruinedyourday]

Does not compute.

ahh maybe when you get older you'll learn that even 24 year olds that think they got it all figured out turn out to still be immature childish and pretty unwise.

just stop living by stupid rigid guidelines with your life man. use that organ that I never heard of before that's in between our ears that you taught me about on the other thread where you argued about every fucking thing anyone had to say.

like seriously why do you just argue with everyone about everything?.. its ridiculous get a life or watch some Evangelion or something.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Being childish does not make you a "child". Just be more specific in your posts as you're starting to sound more and more like those who post shit along the lines of 'college bound angel' to describe him.

[radditsu]

What could be wrong about requiring all cops to wear cameras? Not that expensive, would solve all these problems. I don't see the downside of that. Any of you have a reasonable objection?

They work . The problem is that there are so many vendors out there with trash product. We use a provision system that is awful. (Yes I do support for a police dept) . Also most police depts have no idea the amount of storage space keeping video for YEARS is. I believe that shit gets lost unintentionally all the time.


A) Police officers are computer dumb
B) Police management never makes good decisions about product.
C) there is a ton of wear and ttear on these systems and product fails alot.

[MrSparkle001]

wait you'd rather have a thug cop than a thug 18 year old child on the street?

Yes

[iruinedyourday]

Yes

so you're like, all about new world order and like not having an opinion and keeping your mouth shut? Somehow I doubt that.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

wait you'd rather have a thug cop than a thug 18 year old child on the street?

Yes

so you're like, all about new world order and like not having an opinion and keeping your mouth shut? Somehow I doubt that.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140423034814/roblox-apocalypse-rising/images/2/2a/Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140423034814/roblox-apocalypse-rising/images/2/2a/Anchorman-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg

rofl

lmao yess.. it did its a bit of a stretch but seriously, I dont know why anyone respects athority.. it makes no sense to me that people love having someone around to tell them what to do.

I guess its different chemical makeups

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Some people like to have things under control even if the source of the control is out of theirs. Why do you think so many people are religious?

[MrSparkle001]

so you're like, all about new world order and like not having an opinion and keeping your mouth shut? Somehow I doubt that.

Reductio ad absurdum

These Ferguson cops have some major problems and they need new leadership. Nobody can deny that. I can't speak for the cop that killed this kid but I do know with absolute certainty that his story will differ from eyewitness stories, and that each eyewitness' story will differ.

I do not shed a tear when criminals are killed while being criminals. This kid did something to provoke deadly force. I don't know what but he's not Mr. Innocent. It's not like the cop harassed him, he put up his hands and said "don't shoot!" and the cop gunned him down anyway.

Although that's what a lot of people would like you to believe.

Where's the outrage when these thugs kill each other each and every day? Where's the outrage when innocent children and bystanders are shot and killed during gang drivebys? Where was the outrage when thugs were looting New Orleans during Katrina and even firing at rescue helicopters? Nobody cares, but a cop shoots a criminal who most likely went for his gun (guaranteed that's the cop's story. Guaranteed) and all hell breaks looks.

[iruinedyourday]

Where's the outrage when these thugs kill each other each and every day? Where's the outrage when innocent children and bystanders are shot and killed during gang drivebys? Where was the outrage when thugs were looting New Orleans during Katrina and even firing at rescue helicopters? Nobody cares, but a cop shoots a criminal who most likely went for his gun (guaranteed that's the cop's story. Guaranteed) and all hell breaks looks.

Everyday the democratic party tries to get more spending to help the impoverished and every day republicans call them socialist liberal crybabies and try to block any and all measures to help them. That is your outrage, that is your cry for help that people seem to think just doesn't exist.

It's there, its just there is half a nation of people that are against it and fight back desperately if anyone tries to do anything to help.

[Rec]

http://new.livestream.com/timcast/events/3295551

more looting scum

[Tradesonred]

The problem with arguments like threse is it takes low level street crime, makes it the main problem in society while white collar crime is looting the fuck out of the public treasury with for example bogus wars that profits corporations, transforms countries like iraq into wastelands, thats the real crime. Your public funds are getting looted each year giving money to Israel so it can make its citizens lives in danger with reckless killing of palestinian civilians, taking over their lands. It also doesnt take any historical context in consideration regarding crime and poverty often because of racist unwillingness to look at those things. White crooks laughing all the way to the bank.

[India]

I didn't know this until last night, but I know the sister-in-law of that cop. According to her (yes it's only one side of the story) the kid bull rushed the cop, knocking him backwards into the police car, and would not get up/off the cop. Supposedly the kid was going for the gun...and they struggled. A shot was fired during that struggle (I wasn't told by who but assumed the police)

Backup arrived, helped to pull the kid off the cop and he still wouldn't stop. He kept going after them. They couldn't control him & they couldn't stop him. They fired a shot to stop him, and he came again. They shot him again, and he still kept coming. The kid never put his hands up. He never said "don't shoot". He didn't say a word, he just kept going after the cop. At some point, he took a bullet to the head.

[Tradesonred]

I didn't know this until last night, but I know the sister-in-law of that cop. According to her (yes it's only one side of the story) the kid bull rushed the cop, knocking him backwards into the police car, and would not get up/off the cop. Supposedly the kid was going for the gun...and they struggled. A shot was fired during that struggle (I wasn't told by who but assumed the police)

Backup arrived, helped to pull the kid off the cop and he still wouldn't stop. He kept going after them. They couldn't control him & they couldn't stop him. They fired a shot to stop him, and he came again. They shot him again, and he still kept coming. The kid never put his hands up. He never said "don't shoot". He didn't say a word, he just kept going after the cop. At some point, he took a bullet to the head.

Autopsy should clear that up but 2 eyewitnesses say he was running away from the officer with his hands in the air. Seriously India with you staying in Nihilum all that time although you have to hear nizzar put ****** in between sentences each hour... took me like 2 weeks until i had enough, would be easy to dismiss your story as whatever. Minimally people in Nihilum are indifferent to the racism of Nizzar.

[India]

Autopsy should clear that up but 2 eyewitnesses say he was running away from the officer with his hands in the air. Seriously India with you staying in Nihilum all that time although you have to hear nizzar put ****** in between sentences each hour... took me like 2 weeks until i had enough, would be easy to dismiss your story as whatever. Minimally people in Nihilum are indifferent to the racism of Nizzar.

You mean the same eye witness that was with him when he took those cigars from the convenience store? I'm sure that particular eye-witness is 100% credible.

As far as my guildtag is concerned, it has nothing to do with this story or anything else in the news. That's the quite the stretch you've got going there...

[myriverse]

IOW...

You don't know the sister-in-law.
She told you nothing.
Whatever she had to say about it would be irrelevant anyway.

[Orruar]

One story says he was running away when he was shot. Other says he was facing the officers when shot. Entry/exit wounds are very easy to distinguish, so this particular case of conflicting stories will be pretty damn easy to resolve.

[Tradesonred]

You mean the same eye witness that was with him when he took those cigars from the convenience store? I'm sure that particular eye-witness is 100% credible.

As far as my guildtag is concerned, it has nothing to do with this story or anything else in the news. That's the quite the stretch you've got going there...

Well it does show for one your indifference to Nizzar's constant ****** this ****** that, but ill agree its just sort of a crack at whoevers in Nihilum looking past this for pixels.

Though instead of knee jerking that the eye witness is the guy in the cigar store you could have simply asked "Which eye witnesses?" and i would have provided you with this link and this demonstrates your bias about not wanting to know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_pVFUozV_Y

[India]

IOW...

You don't know the sister-in-law.
She told you nothing.
Whatever she had to say about it would be irrelevant anyway.

1. wrong, I do know the sister-in-law... but w/e
2. You post in p99 from afar and think you know what's going on ... you don't

3. I do agree that what she has to say is likely irrelevant, but it's a point of discussion nonetheles

[India]

Well it does show for one your indifference to Nizzar's constant ****** this ****** that, but ill agree its just sort of a crack at whoevers in Nihilum looking past this for pixels.

Though instead of knee jerking that the eye witness is the guy in the cigar store you could have simply asked "Which eye witnesses?" and i would have provided you with this link and this demonstrates your bias about not wanting to know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_pVFUozV_Y


What I posted has nothing at all to do with MY bias. What I posted was what was told to me by a third party. I stated that upfront.

It was posted as a point of discussion, not for character assassination of the person who posted it. Unfortunately, many of the people on this forum cannot distinguish between the two. You seem to be one of them.

/shrug

You don't LIVE here. You're getting your facts from biased sources.. much as we who live here are, though WE have the advantage. WE LIVE HERE and are party to what is going on... you aren't. And there is that alone is a huge difference.

And Ecoli, once again your asinine comments regarding a guild tag and trying to compare it to this issue are far fetching and quite ignorant. If you want attention to those remarks I'll will offer you this... not only did or do I tolerate so called "racial" remarks, you need to consider I also tolerated many, many misogynistic remarks, homophobic remarks and a shitload of remarks against you. I not only tolerated, I spoke up against them ... which you may or may not remember considering how memory fades once a person leaves a guild.

That said, most comments are made out of ignorance, not hatefulness, as you could well attest :)

I wonder how that might mimic what we're talking about here.... hmmm

[Tradesonred]

What I posted has nothing at all to do with MY bias. What I posted was what was told to me by a third party. I stated that upfront.

It was posted as a point of discussion, not for character assassination of the person who posted it. Unfortunately, many of the people on this forum cannot distinguish between the two. You seem to be one of them.

/shrug

You don't LIVE here. You're getting your facts from biased sources.. much as we who live here are, though WE have the advantage. WE LIVE HERE and are party to what is going on... you aren't. And there is that alone is a huge difference.

And Ecoli, once again your asinine comments regarding a guild tag and trying to compare it to this issue are far fetching and quite ignorant. If you want attention to those remarks I'll will offer you this... not only did or do I tolerate so called "racial" remarks, you need to consider I also tolerated many, many misogynistic remarks, homophobic remarks and a shitload of remarks against you. I not only tolerated, I spoke up against them ... which you may or may not remember considering how memory fades once a person leaves a guild.

That said, most comments are made out of ignorance, not hatefulness, as you could well attest :)

I wonder how that might mimic what we're talking about here.... hmmm

It dont matter if i live in St-Louis or not, its 2014, theres the internet, theres about 5 live feeds right now with amnesty international, the ACLU, the national lawyers guild on the ground monitoring whats going to happen when the curfew goes in effect. I bet im more informed about whats going on than 95% of people in STL who are staying home and getting their news from CNN.

Be honest, dont google it. Name me the 2 journalists who got arrested at McDonalds while they were recharging their batteries. I can name you those 2 journalists.

As for your bias you sure were quick to dismiss my claim that there were eyewitnesses with a different version than the police's version. Ill agree it was a bit gratuitous but so tired of "shrug another dead black guy, must have done something"

Right, that misogynistic shit, not sure how you can stand that, i had enough of this shit real quick. So if you can stand that and the racism for the sake of pixels, then it must not bother you that much.

Bottom line is he was unarmed, and now hes dead. People are pissed off, and thats a good thing.

[Tradesonred]

Did you know that right now SLPD is warning journalists that if they get out of that small pen they designated for them they will get arrested, are you guys ok with martial law

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Did you know that right now SLPD is warning journalists that if they get out of that small pen they designated for them they will get arrested, are you guys ok with martial law

If my choice is between martial law and anarchy? You bet your ass I'm ok with martial law. They burned down their own neighborhood/businesses for crying out loud.

[iruinedyourday]

If my choice is between martial law and anarchy? You bet your ass I'm ok with martial law. They burned down their own neighborhood/businesses for crying out loud.

yeah those journalists SURE DID burn down all those neighborhood/businesses.

ffs you are so illiterate.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

yeah those journalists SURE DID burn down all those neighborhood/businesses.

ffs you are so illiterate.

Shut up troll, that's obviously besides the point.

[iruinedyourday]

Shut up troll, that's obviously besides the point.

Im not a troll, you just think I am because I hate your stupid fucking guts more than anyone I have ever communicated with in my life.

You can go ahead hating all the black people in the world and loving your fucking cartoons, but surely all you ass hats would agree that cops locking up journalists is the dumbest fucking thing that they have ever fucking done.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Im not a troll,
Clearly. :rolleyes:
you just think I am because I hate your stupid fucking guts more than anyone I have ever communicated with in my life.
That sounds like a personal problem.
You can go ahead hating all the black people in the world
implying
and loving your fucking cartoons,
ok
but surely all you ass hats would agree that cops locking up journalists is the dumbest fucking thing that they have ever fucking done.
There you go again. Taking a crumb of a piece of the pie and trying to turn it into a bakery.

[Tradesonred]

Surreal livestream

https://news.vice.com/article/vice-news-live-from-the-streets-of-ferguson-missouri

[phacemeltar]

curfew has been enacted, armed militia guard the streets, people are arrested for what ranges from documenting the situation to nonviolent protesting. how is this not a police state?

i think the people up there are doing a great job at showing what an area in the heart of our country has become and what our government is willing to do to "keep the peace".

the real question is, if this is how peace is kept within our country.. what is being done in areas that the US occupies in less-documented areas of the world. although i must say that i have far more respect for the military than the police, the inability of people in those sections of the world to document their treatment by US worries me.

[Tradesonred]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvOHMInIcAAB4Op.jpg

[MrSparkle001]

Everyday the democratic party tries to get more spending to help the impoverished and every day republicans call them socialist liberal crybabies and try to block any and all measures to help them. That is your outrage, that is your cry for help that people seem to think just doesn't exist.

It's there, its just there is half a nation of people that are against it and fight back desperately if anyone tries to do anything to help.

You really think throwing money at them will stop them? That's like the idea of giving failing inner city schools more and more money, as if that would get the kids to attend and their families (if they even have any) to become interested in their education.

The idea is noble but the reality is that it's a waste. "Helping" these gangbangers will not stop their criminal behavior.

[Tradesonred]

You really think throwing money at them will stop them? That's like the idea of giving failing inner city schools more and more money, as if that would get the kids to attend and their families (if they even have any) to become interested in their education.

The idea is noble but the reality is that it's a waste. "Helping" these gangbangers will not stop their criminal behavior.

Poor people are gangbangers, yea no racism here :rolleyes:

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvPzaasIgAA1hgF.jpg

[Lojik]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvPzaasIgAA1hgF.jpg

The tears are awesome, reminds me of those commercials with the italian actor pretending to be an indian

[Tradesonred]

Yea i know most of you are hardcore heartless white trash dont even try to argue much anymore

[Lojik]

Yea i know most of you are hardcore heartless white trash dont even try to argue much anymore

We look to you as our moral compass

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvPzaasIgAA1hgF.jpg

The white one looks underaged. If so it's a bigger factor than her skin color.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

After some research it seems she was ninteen. Guess it depends on how Arizona treats 18+ vs 21+ in the court system.

[Orruar]

Must drive like an old woman if the kid was on top of the car for 12 miles. I'd have lost the kid on the first turn.

[radditsu]

If my choice is between martial law and anarchy? You bet your ass I'm ok with martial law. They burned down their own neighborhood/businesses for crying out loud.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/103013_vforvendetta1.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Simply driving under the influence should get a much larger penalty even without the kid being a factor tbh. The other mother did willfully leave her kids in the car though, kids in hot cars is a hot button issue ofc.

Not that it's an excuse for the dumb white bitch but that's likely the reason the black lady got what she got.

[Tradesonred]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10556218_353650674759974_7787530507371167741_n.jpg ?oh=8c9973b636fa265fa9c34c04802b01b0&oe=5478FF0C&__gda__=1417616698_5d74b5e739e9d8c616b3cfd5cf7bba8 0

Its because they hate your freedom

[Nuggie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvPzaasIgAA1hgF.jpg

In before rnf.

This is very likely comparing apples to oranges. The situations were very likely not similar. I truly feel sympathetic towards homeless people's kids. If you don't have the capability of providing for your children it may not be a bad thing that they are removed from your custody.

[Glenzig]

In before rnf.

This is very likely comparing apples to oranges. The situations were very likely not similar. I truly feel sympathetic towards homeless people's kids. If you don't have the capability of providing for your children it may not be a bad thing that they are removed from your custody.

Only one of them looks remorseful though. You can argue whether or not those were tears caused by guilt from leaving her kids in the car, or shame from getting arrested, but the other "mother" isn't showing even the slightest bit of emotion. Pretty big difference between making a bad judgment call while trying desperately to get a job, and basically trying to find an inventive way to kill your child. Don't know how anyone could let that chick off with less than life in prison.

[Tradesonred]

live feed right now

Thats an insane amount of tear gas, and ive been to alot of protests where it was used

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

[MrSparkle001]

Poor people are gangbangers, yea no racism here :rolleyes:

If they're not gangbangers they're wannabe gangbangers. That's just how it is.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

If they're not gangbangers they're wannabe gangbangers. That's just how it is.

I was poor, dirt poor in a single parent home and I never had nor wanted any of that shit even though my town reeked of it. Then again I'm white (the greatest gift of all) and learned how to read early so...

Stay in school *****

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Shots fired. No news reporters were in the area in question though.

[Mac Drettj]

Kaga, you lonely?

[Pokesan]

@kabatob - virgin y/n?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

nope.
not for the past eleven years.
wai?

[Rust1d?]

Can I ask a serious question?

Why is it that nobody cares when a black kills another black, regardless of age etc?

Is it just because the media wants to fuel racism?
Is it because when a white kills a black, it gives them a reason to riot?

Or is it a mix of both?

If say 10 black people are killed by whites every year, that means something like 1,000 blacks are killed by blacks in comparison every year.

[Glenzig]

Is it just because the media wants to fuel racism?
.

Yes.

[Rust1d?]

But onto the blacks...Do they use this as an excuse to loot/riot etc? Because they do not go rioting in Chicago when blacks are killed by other blacks...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Can I ask a serious question?

Why is it that nobody cares when a black kills another black, regardless of age etc?

Is it just because the media wants to fuel racism?


Yes.

Except the media does report it. It's the people that have no reaction to it so the media isn't entirely to blame. Honestly the whole ST Louis thing didn't become anything greater than a footnote on the daily news until the looting started, then it became "Breaking news in Ferguson" every hour or so.

[Glenzig]

Except the media does report it. It's the people that have no reaction to it so the media isn't entirely to blame. Honestly the whole ST Louis thing didn't become anything greater than a footnote on the daily news until the looting started, then it became "Breaking news in Ferguson" every hour or so.

There are other forms of media than national television news.

[iruinedyourday]

fuck all you scumbags plenty of liberal people try to get money to help but yall so worried about people taking advantage & communism that you kick ans scream and cry until we go to war with some other nation.

fucking scumbags on this thread

meanwhile you suck the life from the earth playing your free video games you loosrs.

[Ames who?]

fuck all you scumbags plenty of liberal people try to get money to help but yall so worried about people taking advantage & communism that you kick ans scream and cry until we go to war with some other nation.

fucking scumbags on this thread

meanwhile you suck the life from the earth playing your free video games you loosrs.

0/10

[iruinedyourday]

Worst thing that could happen to anyone on earth would acceptance by any of you fucks

[Tradesonred]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322560/-Ferguson-Store-Owner-Says-NO-ONE-From-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft?detail=facebook#

[Orruar]

fuck all you scumbags plenty of liberal people try to get money to help but yall so worried about people taking advantage & communism that you kick ans scream and cry until we go to war with some other nation.

fucking scumbags on this thread

meanwhile you suck the life from the earth playing your free video games you loosrs.

You act like government taking money from people and giving it to others is the same thing as charity. Your conflation of the two is just a way of announcing to the world how ignorant you are. Thanks for that.

[iruinedyourday]

You act like government taking money from people and giving it to others is the same thing as charity. Your conflation of the two is just a way of announcing to the world how ignorant you are. Thanks for that.

In other news, racist fuck for brains thinks I'm ignorant. What a fucking surprise!

[Tradesonred]

As i watched a livestream last night, cops started tear gassing children and people with no warning, 1h30 before the curfew was supposed to be in effect, after Capt. Johnson specifically said they would not gas people.

[Uuruk]

As i watched a livestream last night, cops started tear gassing children and people with no warning, 1h30 before the curfew was supposed to be in effect, after Capt. Johnson specifically said they would not gas people.

who cares

[Tradesonred]

What was THAT? A guide to the military gear being used against civilians in Ferguson

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6003377/ferguson-military-gear?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[MrSparkle001]

Worst thing that could happen to anyone on earth would acceptance by any of you fucks

http://i.imgur.com/bXSJbaP.jpg

[Orruar]

In other news, racist fuck for brains thinks I'm ignorant. What a fucking surprise!

And so now you're conflating a dislike of welfare with racism? What kind of racist fuck would think everyone on welfare is of one race, you piece of shit. Not every black person is poor and living off the backs of others, you modern day KKK member.

[Rust1d?]

28.75% of Blacks are on welfare compared to 5.13% of Whites
According to [link to wiki.answers.com]

- 29 million people are on welfare
- 39% white: 11,661,000
- 38% black: 11,362,000

According to [link to en.wikipedia.org]
- US population: 313,544,041
- White: 72.4%: 227,005,885
- Black: 12.6%: 39,506,549

Math:

Whites: 11.661,000 / 227,005,885 * 100 = 5.13%
Blacks: 11,362,000 / 39,506,549 * 100 = 28.75%

[iruinedyourday]

And so now you're conflating a dislike of welfare with racism? What kind of racist fuck would think everyone on welfare is of one race, you piece of shit. Not every black person is poor and living off the backs of others, you modern day KKK member.

no I'm calling you a racist fuck because you are one you racist fuck

[Rust1d?]

Statistics be rayciss and Sheeeeeeeit

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Those numbers and facts have found a way to lie obv.

[Rust1d?]

Math is for white people and Asians.

[Orruar]

no I'm calling you a racist fuck because you are one you racist fuck

Says the person who thinks only black people take in welfare money.

[iruinedyourday]

Says the person who thinks only black people take in welfare money.

lmao never said that, you're just a racist fuck that thinks that's what I'm talking about, but nope.

[Orruar]

lmao never said that, you're just a racist fuck that thinks that's what I'm talking about, but nope.

Keep on projecting your own racism onto others, but we all know you have a pointed white hood in the closet and you jerk off to Roots.

[phacemeltar]

you jerk off to Roots.

so funny

[MrSparkle001]

Keep on projecting your own racism onto others, but we all know you have a pointed white hood in the closet and you jerk off to Roots.

You mean to Roots backwards, that way it has a happy ending. Zing.

[iruinedyourday]

You guys I dont get off the same way you do.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You guys I dont get off the same way you do.

We aren't hating on you for being a faggot, it's because you are what you eat, a dick in the ass.

[iruinedyourday]

We aren't hating on you for being a faggot, it's because you are what you eat, a dick in the ass.

kaga I take it back, fucking end it.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Bipolar too.

[iruinedyourday]

Bipolar too.

no its just I feel bad but then you start talking again and its like, fuck feeling bad.

[iruinedyourday]

& are you saying I am a dick in the ass because I eat dicks that are in asses? like its like a dick, inserted into an ass, and then I eat them both?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It was in your ass, then you sucked it off.

How dense can you be dickbutt?

[iruinedyourday]

you are what you eat, a dick in the ass.

noo.. says nothing about being in my ass.. or sucking anything.. or being what you suck...

Clearly says I eat dicks wrapped in asses.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/FiVAAwo.jpg

[Sidelle]

Wtf is going on in this thread. Lol

[Tradesonred]

So there was an amnesty international team in ferguson tonight. Thats a first, theyve never sent observers before. They had to leave the scene with their hands up while cops were pointing guns at them, forcing them to leave.

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvYDnPxCMAAy6Ca.jpg:large

[MrSparkle001]

So there was an amnesty international team in ferguson tonight. Thats a first, theyve never sent observers before. They had to leave the scene with their hands up while cops were pointing guns at them, forcing them to leave.

and there was also a live stream I watched where the cops were shot at with real rounds and the press had to get the hell out of there.

That's what happens late at night when the gangsta thugs wake up and want some action.

[Tradesonred]

and there was also a live stream I watched where the cops were shot at with real rounds and the press had to get the hell out of there.

That's what happens late at night when the gangsta thugs wake up and want some action.

They didnt have to get the hell out of there, the police forced them to. Im sorry to have to ask you this as a french canadian, but have you heard about the first amendment? Its like this text thats written on a piece of paper called the constitution.

We dont know who shot those shots

[iruinedyourday]

and there was also a live stream I watched where the cops were shot at with real rounds and the press had to get the hell out of there.

That's what happens late at night when the gangsta thugs wake up and want some action.

I watched that live stream and in my opinion the police antagonized that confrontation.

not that my opinion matters in this thread, nor do i really want anyone in this fuck hole to ever agree with me or it might might mean I have fallen hit my head and became a pigfucked racist.

[mtb tripper]

this is disgusting

[phacemeltar]

noo.. says nothing about being in my ass.. or sucking anything.. or being what you suck...

Clearly says I eat dicks wrapped in asses.

he's saying that you are a dick that goes into asses, and you also eat other dicks who go into asses.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

he's saying that you are a dick that goes into asses, and you also eat other dicks who go into asses.

Aww. I wanted to see how long it would take him to figure it out on his own. :p

[phacemeltar]

in case u guys are wondering.. this shit is still going on (lol), and all the communist countries (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/08/18/how-the-rest-of-the-world-sees-ferguson/) are apparently disgusted by us.

has anyone seen that movie red dawn?

[Rust1d?]

Imagine what would happen if you sent every black back to Africa.

1) Crime automatically drops 30%
2) Welfare cases drop by 30%
3) Unemployment goes down to 3% due to people who deserve the jobs, can now have access to them because companies are not forced to hire blacks.
4) Cities like Chicago and Detroit become livable again
5) Schools improve due to the fact that programs are not created to serve the lowest common denominator.
6) Tax money is used to better schools and education. It is also used to repair infrastructure. SS also sees a much needed boost due to money saved from Food stamp programs, Obama phones and EBT cards.

I could go on.

[Swish]

Imagine what would happen if you sent every black back to Africa.

1) Crime automatically drops 30%
2) Welfare cases drop by 30%
3) Unemployment goes down to 3% due to people who deserve the jobs, can now have access to them because companies are not forced to hire blacks.
4) Cities like Chicago and Detroit become livable again
5) Schools improve due to the fact that programs are not created to serve the lowest common denominator.
6) Tax money is used to better schools and education. It is also used to repair infrastructure. SS also sees a much needed boost due to money saved from Food stamp programs, Obama phones and EBT cards.

I could go on.

Meanwhile I can't get a visa to work in the US, they don't want good pplz.

[Rust1d?]

Michael Brown arrest sheet
Description: Burglary – 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Description: Assault 1st Degree – Serious Physical Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD


And this "boy" just turned 18...he had a one way ticket to NU.

[Swish]

Michael Brown arrest sheet
Description: Burglary – 1st Degree { Felony B RSMo: 569.160 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1401000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Description: Assault 1st Degree – Serious Physical Injury { Felony A RSMo: 565.050 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 1301100
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD
Description: Armed Criminal Action { Felony Unclassified RSMo: 571.015 }
Date: 11/02/2013 Code: 3101000
OCN: AJ006207 Arresting Agency: ST ANN PD


And this "boy" just turned 18...he had a one way ticket to NU.

Shit, and he's painted as a "gentle giant" :rolleyes:

[Tradesonred]

Thats not the guy who was murdered, dat racist proclivity to beleive what you want to beleive though

He probably did rob the store, but i robbed a store as a teen, should i have been executed for it?

Witness accounts tell that he had his hands in the air and said dont shoot, whereas #handsupdontshoot

[JayN]

i just stolez a box of dem swichards from 711 and got home to type about pras white privilege

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

in case u guys are wondering.. this shit is still going on (lol), and all the communist countries (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/08/18/how-the-rest-of-the-world-sees-ferguson/) are apparently disgusted by us.

has anyone seen that movie red dawn?

I lol'd at Germany talking about race relations.

Thats not the guy who was murdered, dat racist proclivity to beleive what you want to beleive though

He probably did rob the store, but i robbed a store as a teen, should i have been executed for it?
The verdict is still out on that. You should learn to stop using such divisive language when you want to promote an opinion.
Witness accounts tell that he had his hands in the air and said dont shoot, whereas #handsupdontshoot
Every single piece of evidence so far is showing a situation contrary to this actually. I'm sure if you feel strongly about your opinion it'll eventually warp reality for more than just you right?

[Tradesonred]

Every single piece of evidence so far is showing a situation contrary to this actually. I'm sure if you feel strongly about your opinion it'll eventually warp reality for more than just you right?

What evidence are you talking about

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Clearly you haven't been paying attention and I refuse to hold your hand simply because I took the effort to be more informed. ;)

[Tradesonred]

Easy cop out, i was just trying to discuss this with you

There are 2 eyewitnesses i know of, and both of these accounts corroborate the autopsy that was done, AKA he was shot with his hands up, hit by 6 bullets including a headshot.

Were talking about someone who is unarmed here

[Tradesonred]

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/tatler/files/2014/08/badenautopsy.jpg

A renowned forensic pathologist who conducted a second autopsy on the body of 18-year-old Michael Brown said the teen was shot multiple times with “survivable” wounds but was felled by a shot to the top of the head.

“There weren’t signs of a struggle. In talking about a struggle, one of the things that the attorneys have also asked for is the medical examination of the officer who was in a struggle. So signs of injury to the officer, to Michael Brown, are both needed,” Dr. Michael Baden said a press conference with the attorneys for the Brown family.

Baden, who was chief medical examiner in New York City for 25 years, conducted the autopsy with the assistance of Shawn Parcells, a professor and pathologist assistant based in Kansas.

Baden said he agreed to do the autopsy before Attorney General Eric Holder said the federal government would do its own autopsy, a move he acknowledged was rare. “The only time the president got involved I remember was Charles Manson did his thing and you guys weren’t born in those times and he was very upset by it,” he said. “But not in a civil rights way.”

“Dr. Baden and I concluded that he was shot at least six times. We’ve got one to the very top of the head, the apex. We’ve got one that entered just above the right eyebrow. We’ve got one that entered the top part of the right arm. We’ve got a graze wound, a superficial graze wound, to the middle part of the right arm. We’ve got a wound that entered the medial aspect of the right arm, and we’ve got a deep graze wound that produced a laceration to the palm of the right hand,” Parcells said while pointing out the location of the wounds on a diagram.

Parcells said one of the arm wounds, a graze on the side, was “consistent” with witness statements that Brown was walking away before he turned toward the officer after the first shots. Baden said there was no gunpowder residue on the body, but he didn’t get to examine the clothes.

Baden said the wounds “could be consistent with his going forward or going backward. But they’re from the front, and if he was shot going forward, he would collapse right away.”

He stressed that they need to see the x-rays that were taken before the bullets were removed, which “should be available at some time.”

“The autopsy itself counted as consistent with police or witnesses. There are many different witness testimonies. Many of them seem to line up in one direction, some in another direction. Right now, till we get more information, till we get from a forensic science point of view, can’t distinguish — can’t make a definite judgment,” Baden said.

They wouldn’t speculate on the order of the gunshot wounds, but had an idea. “Dr. Baden and I do feel that, because of the two gunshot wounds to the head, indicating that Mr. Brown was bending over as they were coming down, that those two shots were most likely the last two to occur to him,” Parcells said.

Baden stressed that he didn’t have access to toxicology samples. An anonymous source told the Washington Post that the county’s autopsy will reveal that Brown had marijuana in his system, but didn’t elaborate how much.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Congratulations your best evidence that you could dig up has "could be" and "as if" 9 times and even concedes that “The autopsy itself counted as consistent with police or witnesses." Yet you've already jumped the gun and keep using words like "murder" and "Execution" when you still aren't even close to the whole picture.

[Swish]

damn even the diagram is of a white man... no wonder there's anger on the streets.

[iruinedyourday]

damn even the diagram is of a white man... no wonder there's anger on the streets.

not just a man...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/blueman.JPG

...a watchman.

[Tradesonred]

Congratulations your best evidence that you could dig up has "could be" and "as if" 9 times and even concedes that “The autopsy itself counted as consistent with police or witnesses." Yet you've already jumped the gun and keep using words like "murder" and "Execution" when you still aren't even close to the whole picture.

Maybe im jumping the gun a bit but still, no news about that police officer being interrogated. The longer you wait, the longer the police officer has to make up his story.

But that doesnt change anything about the fact that the institutional response is whats causing most of the mayhem and people have a right to peacefully assemble.

Using a couple of people breaking the law as a pretext to break everyones constitutional rights is leading the US down a path that theyve set up for multiple client states like Egypt and latin american countries during the 50s-80s, dictatorship.

Even if you guys are racist, i wish you could understand that, or care about it, because its quite worrying.

[iruinedyourday]

But that doesnt change anything about the fact that the institutional response is whats causing most of the mayhem and people have a right to peacefully assemble.

yea man, this is way beyond a white or black issue. The whole conservative don't take my guns because, freedom but I support swat teams busting into houses to serve warrants, is so wrong.

[phacemeltar]

But that doesnt change anything about the fact that the institutional response is whats causing most of the mayhem and people have a right to peacefully assemble.

ive been digging through reddit on this subject, and it seems as though there are some people who believe this to be an intentional staged event by the feds to gauge the citizen response to martial law. sounds feasable based on the response and timeline, but still a ridiculous idea.

[Orruar]

Maybe im jumping the gun a bit but still, no news about that police officer being interrogated. The longer you wait, the longer the police officer has to make up his story.

But that doesnt change anything about the fact that the institutional response is whats causing most of the mayhem and people have a right to peacefully assemble.

Using a couple of people breaking the law as a pretext to break everyones constitutional rights is leading the US down a path that theyve set up for multiple client states like Egypt and latin american countries during the 50s-80s, dictatorship.

Even if you guys are racist, i wish you could understand that, or care about it, because its quite worrying.

If you don't think that police officer has been questioned multiple times by now, you're dumber than you look. They don't release every single piece of evidence to the public the moment they get it. There's this thing called an investigation that takes place.

And don't play down what is going on there. Referring to destruction/theft of millions of dollars in property and many rounds of live ammo being fired at police as "a couple people breaking the law" is disingenuous at best. I was pretty pissed about the police action myself until I watched a live stream last night. The police response seemed pretty damn mild given what the rioters (protesters are out during the day, rioters at night) were doing.

[Orruar]

ive been digging through reddit on this subject, and it seems as though there are some people who believe this to be an intentional staged event by the feds to gauge the citizen response to martial law. sounds feasable based on the response and timeline, but still a ridiculous idea.

I'm sure they are taking notes, but suggesting this whole thing was staged intentionally is bush/towers style idiocy.

[Tradesonred]

If you don't think that police officer has been questioned multiple times by now, you're dumber than you look. They don't release every single piece of evidence to the public the moment they get it. There's this thing called an investigation that takes place.

And don't play down what is going on there. Referring to destruction/theft of millions of dollars in property and many rounds of live ammo being fired at police as "a couple people breaking the law" is disingenuous at best. I was pretty pissed about the police action myself until I watched a live stream last night. The police response seemed pretty damn mild given what the rioters (protesters are out during the day, rioters at night) were doing.

Well the autopsy guy says that he hasnt had access to the officer yet and that its important for him to determine if a struggle took place.

If we let the cops break up every gathering because someones breaking the law nearby, then we are opening the doors for them to set up plants in those gatherings to provide pretexts to break up any protest they want. Ive been to alot of protests, that is a constant. They will consistently use the pretext of a window being broken, of one guy doing this in a crowd of 1000s to send the riot cops in to disperse everyone.

Im not conspiracy theorizing here, im not saying this whole thing was a set up, im saying people have a right to peacefully assemble. The institutional response im talking about is stuff like drenching west florissant with so much tear gas that the CNN reporters have to wear gas masks.

[Swish]

not just a man...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/blueman.JPG

...a watchman.

LOL, +1 :D

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvbBHjDCAAEXz3x.jpg:large

[phacemeltar]

:P (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-police-investigating-fatal-officer-involved-shooting/article_85d27316-a17a-5e0a-b1d6-8a6753e2fcb2.html)

[Orruar]

Well the autopsy guy says that he hasnt had access to the officer yet and that its important for him to determine if a struggle took place.

If we let the cops break up every gathering because someones breaking the law nearby, then we are opening the doors for them to set up plants in those gatherings to provide pretexts to break up any protest they want. Ive been to alot of protests, that is a constant. They will consistently use the pretext of a window being broken, of one guy doing this in a crowd of 1000s to send the riot cops in to disperse everyone.

Im not conspiracy theorizing here, im not saying this whole thing was a set up, im saying people have a right to peacefully assemble. The institutional response im talking about is stuff like drenching west florissant with so much tear gas that the CNN reporters have to wear gas masks.

If it was just a case of a window being broken here, you'd have an argument. As it is, they haven't broken things up in any way until buildings are on fire or live ammo is being fired at them. Watch the live streams of the protests and see if you come to a different conclusion. Until shit goes down, all they're doing is getting people off the streets and onto the sidewalks so that traffic can move around normally. People can assemble all they want, but they can't all gather in the middle of the road. The one sketchy thing that I saw last night was the reporters all being told to go to one specific area (this was after many rounds were fired at police). The press should be able to go anywhere they want as long as they aren't breaking the law, same as anyone else.

[Orruar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvbBHjDCAAEXz3x.jpg:large

An image is worth a thousand words. Unfortunately, every word in this one is just part of a question, since the context is unknown.

[Tradesonred]

Well i mean i saw the stream, the context is a bunch of police officers pointing their guns at peaceful protesters

[Tradesonred]

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=41212&format=nj2013_10_columns

Getty images photographer arrested, so did quite a few journalists last night

[Orruar]

Well i mean i saw the stream, the context is a bunch of police officers pointing their guns at peaceful protesters

Doesn't know what the word "context" means. Spouts off uninformed opinion anyway.

[Tradesonred]

Doesn't know what the word "context" means. Spouts off uninformed opinion anyway.

Knows how to skip pointless debates with dishonest interlocutors though

Intercept Reporter Shot With Beanbags and Arrested While Covering Ferguson Protests

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/19/intercept-reporter-detained-covering-ferguson-protests/

[Swish]

What's the difference between this pic...

http://i2.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/article2628976.ece/alternates/s615/pics-image-6-846620656.jpg

..and this pic?

http://www.caiwingfield.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Screen-shot-2010-11-11-at-8.03.09am.png

Not much, except look at all those scumbag journalists taking pictures of 1 person "being bad".

Fuck the media, and how they've blown everything out of proportion (as usual) :p

[Tradesonred]

I dont even wanna think about what would be going on in Ferguson without cameras rolling

[iruinedyourday]

https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/status/501748522996482048

[Tradesonred]

Antonio French is a tool, some red-baiting going on on twitter unfortunately. Some people trying to question peoples solidarity according to the color of their skin, cant lead to good things.

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bva-U6KCYAAxVHS.jpg

[Rust1d?]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bva-U6KCYAAxVHS.jpg

lel.

[Rust1d?]

I've said it once and I will say it again. Every so often this happens. A ****** gets shot (yes he was a gang banging ******) by a white cop. All the other primates chimp out because this is a free pass to loot, steal, destroy etc..Police come in, media makes it into a shit pile.

Then more truth comes out, blacks and liberals look like morons. Blacks continue to look like feral animals in the wild, waiting, like a hyena, for the opportunity to loot and riot, just like a hyena waits for the moment to strike its prey. Then they go in for the kill...looting, stealing, raping and causing destruction.

Then it will all be over. They will go back and wait till the first of the month to collect their welfare checks (paid for by people like us who work hard and pay taxes). They will get their hair done, nails done and make calls on their Obama phone.

Some will go back to the corners and sell drugs, kill each other over disrespect and nothing will be said, till the next black person is shot by a white person. Then the process starts all over again.

[iruinedyourday]

I've said it once and I will say it again. Every so often this happens. A ****** gets shot (yes he was a gang banging ******) by a white cop. All the other primates chimp out because this is a free pass to loot, steal, destroy etc..Police come in, media makes it into a shit pile.

Then more truth comes out, blacks and liberals look like morons. Blacks continue to look like feral animals in the wild, waiting, like a hyena, for the opportunity to loot and riot, just like a hyena waits for the moment to strike its prey. Then they go in for the kill...looting, stealing, raping and causing destruction.

Then it will all be over. They will go back and wait till the first of the month to collect their welfare checks (paid for by people like us who work hard and pay taxes). They will get their hair done, nails done and make calls on their Obama phone.

Some will go back to the corners and sell drugs, kill each other over disrespect and nothing will be said, till the next black person is shot by a white person. Then the process starts all over again.

Do you get your hands dirty at work?

[Rust1d?]

Do you get your hands dirty at work?

Everyday.

[iruinedyourday]

Everyday.

figures

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Why can't it be both?

[Rust1d?]

figures

You do not know what I even do for work. I have a good job and no criminal record.

[Rust1d?]

Let's take a look at what happened to the blacks who were not brought over to the US. Oh right, there are great things in Africa like:

1) Disease...Rampant disease.
2) No clean water
3) Famine
4) War
5) Mass kidnappings
6) More disease
7) Mass starvation
8) No technology
9) Tribes who still believe in voodoo and other crazy shit
10) More famine
11) No infrastructure
12) Islamic extremists to the nth degree

[Tradesonred]

Brutal european colonization of course had nothing to do with any of this :rolleyes:

Youre now on soft ignore, KKK person

[Rust1d?]

Brutal european colonization of course had nothing to do with any of this :rolleyes:

Youre now on soft ignore, KKK person

Ignore the fact that blacks were sold into slavery by blacks and the first official slave owner in the US was black. Keep trying, faggot.

If ANYBODY should complain it's the Native Americans and Jews. Not ******s.

[iruinedyourday]

Let's take a look at what happened to the blacks who were not brought over to the US. Oh right, there are great things in Africa like:

1) Disease...Rampant disease.
2) No clean water
3) Famine
4) War
5) Mass kidnappings
6) More disease
7) Mass starvation
8) No technology
9) Tribes who still believe in voodoo and other crazy shit
10) More famine
11) No infrastructure
12) Islamic extremists to the nth degree

1) Fuck
2) your
3) Shitty
4) No
5) Brain
6) Looser
7) Filthy
8) Easy
9) Job
10) And
11) Criminal
12) Record

[Rust1d?]

1) Fuck
2) your
3) Shitty
4) No
5) Brain
6) Looser
7) Filthy
8) Easy
9) Job
10) And
11) Criminal
12) Record

lol you mad negro?

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvddAbWCcAAPz5y.jpg:large

The liberty zone tonite

[MrSparkle001]

I watched that live stream and in my opinion the police antagonized that confrontation.

not that my opinion matters in this thread, nor do i really want anyone in this fuck hole to ever agree with me or it might might mean I have fallen hit my head and became a pigfucked racist.

You think the police antagonized that situation?

Watch this for about 15 minutes from where I linked it starting at about 2:35:00. The police did nothing until shots were fired. Point out the point where the police antagonized them into firing live rounds. Pay particular attention at around 2:46:00 where shit seriously hit the fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ&v=CmqHVKNZkhM#t=9294

[georgie]

chill bruh chill bruh,
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/police2.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

tanks are moved around my trains along with most army vehicles as they weight a ton and drive under 55 or so.

[Tradesonred]

This is a harrowing account from Rosa Clemente who is down in Ferguson with a group of folks who she names in her Dispatches about what went down last night.. It’s important to compare her account with what’s being hailed in corporate media as some sort of major turning point…This sounds like a turning point in the wrong direction.. keep in mind about who is mouth piecing for the police.. Davey D
Rosa Clemente

Rosa Clemente

An hour ago, Jessica Care Moore, Talib Kweli, folks from the Fellowship of Reconcillation, Philip Agnew of Dream Defenders, Bgyrl ForLife, Malik from Occupy the Hood and Trymaine Lee from MSNBC and many others were chased like animals by the cops.

We ran to get away and were surrounded on a small path on bridge, surrounded by all types of police and told to lie down and put our hands up. We complied and we were told if we did not stop moving we would be shot. We were breathing. The young brother lying on my feet as I was holding him was not able to control his breathing he said “I’m choking” the cop told him to stop or he would shoot him.

I told him “try not to move, just lay still I got you.” The gun was at his chest. I looked at the cop and said “please, he is not doing anything”

I tried to record but the cop had his finger on the trigger. I could feel Talib’s hand on my back and Jessica behind me.

We laid there until one Black officer said “Let them go, we got who we wanted.” In all my life I have never been so terrified. The young brother Devin said thank you I think you saved my life. What is going down here in#ferguson in all my years of activism, organizing, I have never seen.

This is a war zone, a military occupation and our children are the cannon fodder. P.S. The white boy who threw the water bottle a big fuck you, I am sure you were an agent provocateur. But for the police to act this way, they are itching to kill more of us. P.S. Women are also brutalized and terrorized by the police, at the end all of us are Black and Brown and animals to them.

Ferguson Dispatch #1

Let me state from the beginning: nothing provoked this, the first hour we were there, we walked, talked to folks, people were moving as they were told they had to and chanting. I saw Amy Goodman, Trymaine Lee, who I talked to for a while. He was the last person I talked to before police vamped. Right before I had talked to clergy, at one point their was a prayer vigil, I observed and did not join that as the police seemed to get very agitated because people were still protesting.

I was staying observant. Talib and Jessica were in a circle with young people who began to notice who they were and I truly believed there was about to be a cypher. I kept my eye on the crew we were with; the amount of police officers was just as many as protestors. I then saw people from Amnesty International, many who I know as I used to work there. We were talking, building; they told me we would see you tomorrow.

As soon as they left I stepped to Talib and said something is about to go down. I felt something shift, as a long time activist against police brutality I have been trained by elders and my organization Malcolm X Grassroots Movement to be alert, stay focused.

I saw them raising their batons and getting in formation. As I was finishing talking to Trymaine, we saw a water bottle, plastic water bottle being thrown, people kind of looked up, turned back to what they were doing talking etc.…and the next thing police came at us like charging bulls, weapons drawn, screaming, causing mass confusion “leave the area now!” “Don’t move!”

At the moment Jessica Talib and I grabbed hands and ran. As we were running the police came from all directions and locked us down. The threats, their eyes, postures, weaponry says it all, we have the power, we don’t care how many cameras there are we will never have to be held accountable. This is one of account of a small group of us. If young people of color did not know where they stood, they surely know now and they told us as much.

These young people were tired, but they were still determined. They were deflated but not defeated. They were longing for direction and leadership that is def not coming from the older generation. They are acquiring knowledge in this moment and are awake. They were expressing their frustrations with so called leadership, the honest truth is I saw many older people of color, talking with, shaking and laughing with the police. They also seemed to be angry with the older people, yelling at them, telling them to go home, they young people replied we are home.

Many of the male so called leadership were as Malcolm eloquently wrote, acting truly like house Negroes, the were not being subversive to the slave master, but being obedient to the new slave master. This might not be the most eloquent, succinct 500 word essay, but on da real: The moment I saw that rifle pointed at Devin, the young men who was right next to me, and I looked into this white bald headed man, and I saw his eyes, I feared the moment that so many young Black and Latino, Latina men and women face, potential death and all I could think about is my daughter hugging me telling me “be careful Mommy, the police hurt women too.”

That split second you think it is over is the most harrowing, terrifying. I thought I was prepared, and I was to a certain extent, but nothing can ever prepare you for that and that fact is that none of us should ever have to prepare for it. Devin and his boys got to go home tonight. They got to go home tonight. I hope they always get to go home.

[Rust1d?]

This is a harrowing account from Rosa Clemente who is down in Ferguson with a group of folks who she names in her Dispatches about what went down last night.. It’s important to compare her account with what’s being hailed in corporate media as some sort of major turning point…This sounds like a turning point in the wrong direction.. keep in mind about who is mouth piecing for the police.. Davey D
Rosa Clemente

Rosa Clemente

An hour ago, Jessica Care Moore, Talib Kweli, folks from the Fellowship of Reconcillation, Philip Agnew of Dream Defenders, Bgyrl ForLife, Malik from Occupy the Hood and Trymaine Lee from MSNBC and many others were chased like animals by the cops.

We ran to get away and were surrounded on a small path on bridge, surrounded by all types of police and told to lie down and put our hands up. We complied and we were told if we did not stop moving we would be shot. We were breathing. The young brother lying on my feet as I was holding him was not able to control his breathing he said “I’m choking” the cop told him to stop or he would shoot him.

I told him “try not to move, just lay still I got you.” The gun was at his chest. I looked at the cop and said “please, he is not doing anything”

I tried to record but the cop had his finger on the trigger. I could feel Talib’s hand on my back and Jessica behind me.

We laid there until one Black officer said “Let them go, we got who we wanted.” In all my life I have never been so terrified. The young brother Devin said thank you I think you saved my life. What is going down here in#ferguson in all my years of activism, organizing, I have never seen.

This is a war zone, a military occupation and our children are the cannon fodder. P.S. The white boy who threw the water bottle a big fuck you, I am sure you were an agent provocateur. But for the police to act this way, they are itching to kill more of us. P.S. Women are also brutalized and terrorized by the police, at the end all of us are Black and Brown and animals to them.

Ferguson Dispatch #1

Let me state from the beginning: nothing provoked this, the first hour we were there, we walked, talked to folks, people were moving as they were told they had to and chanting. I saw Amy Goodman, Trymaine Lee, who I talked to for a while. He was the last person I talked to before police vamped. Right before I had talked to clergy, at one point their was a prayer vigil, I observed and did not join that as the police seemed to get very agitated because people were still protesting.

I was staying observant. Talib and Jessica were in a circle with young people who began to notice who they were and I truly believed there was about to be a cypher. I kept my eye on the crew we were with; the amount of police officers was just as many as protestors. I then saw people from Amnesty International, many who I know as I used to work there. We were talking, building; they told me we would see you tomorrow.

As soon as they left I stepped to Talib and said something is about to go down. I felt something shift, as a long time activist against police brutality I have been trained by elders and my organization Malcolm X Grassroots Movement to be alert, stay focused.

I saw them raising their batons and getting in formation. As I was finishing talking to Trymaine, we saw a water bottle, plastic water bottle being thrown, people kind of looked up, turned back to what they were doing talking etc.…and the next thing police came at us like charging bulls, weapons drawn, screaming, causing mass confusion “leave the area now!” “Don’t move!”

At the moment Jessica Talib and I grabbed hands and ran. As we were running the police came from all directions and locked us down. The threats, their eyes, postures, weaponry says it all, we have the power, we don’t care how many cameras there are we will never have to be held accountable. This is one of account of a small group of us. If young people of color did not know where they stood, they surely know now and they told us as much.

These young people were tired, but they were still determined. They were deflated but not defeated. They were longing for direction and leadership that is def not coming from the older generation. They are acquiring knowledge in this moment and are awake. They were expressing their frustrations with so called leadership, the honest truth is I saw many older people of color, talking with, shaking and laughing with the police. They also seemed to be angry with the older people, yelling at them, telling them to go home, they young people replied we are home.

Many of the male so called leadership were as Malcolm eloquently wrote, acting truly like house Negroes, the were not being subversive to the slave master, but being obedient to the new slave master. This might not be the most eloquent, succinct 500 word essay, but on da real: The moment I saw that rifle pointed at Devin, the young men who was right next to me, and I looked into this white bald headed man, and I saw his eyes, I feared the moment that so many young Black and Latino, Latina men and women face, potential death and all I could think about is my daughter hugging me telling me “be careful Mommy, the police hurt women too.”

That split second you think it is over is the most harrowing, terrifying. I thought I was prepared, and I was to a certain extent, but nothing can ever prepare you for that and that fact is that none of us should ever have to prepare for it. Devin and his boys got to go home tonight. They got to go home tonight. I hope they always get to go home.

TL/DR. In short, ******s nigging.

Here is a video everybody should watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWc5gcHXXz0&list=UUyItJsXn-rG70PqYrvEFbhw

You're welcome

[Tradesonred]

Americans should be very wary of fascist racists like rusted, feels like something really bad is developping in Ferguson. When you factor in environmental problems that are gonna hit the fan soon, that will be a very volatile situation. These people will drag you again through the worst chapters of human history.

[Tradesonred]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvbg3OuCMAAyumJ.png

Ferguson is full of stories like this, just need to be willing to look

[Rust1d?]

Americans should be very wary of liberal shitbags like Tradesonred, feels like something really good is developing in Ferguson. When you factor in illegal immigration problems that are gonna hit the fan soon, that will be a very volatile situation. These people will drag you again through the worst chapters of human history.

Fixed it and fixed your spelling mistakes.

[Rust1d?]

http://youtu.be/6-z0_YH2UGw

America is full of stories like this, just need to be willing to look

[Tradesonred]

Not wanting journalists detained, guns shoved in their face, told to shut these damn cameras down, isnt a liberal or conservative issue, dont be fooled, if someone is condoning this, they are fascist.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Stop calling everything Fascist and people might give half a damn about what you have to say.

[MrSparkle001]

Not wanting journalists detained, guns shoved in their face, told to shut these damn cameras down, isnt a liberal or conservative issue, dont be fooled, if someone is condoning this, they are fascist.

You do know that journalists don't have a free pass to just go anywhere they want right? If they willingly disobey orders to move they are are subject to arrest (or really just detainment). These police need to keep these late night crowds under control because it's late at night when the shootings happen. That's when the gang bangers wake up and want some fun.

I've noticed the true protesters do a great job of policing themselves. I've seen more than one occasion where they've removed a troublemaker. But this is not late night I'm talking about. Most of the genuine protesters are gone by then, and what's left are young people who obviously have nothing to do the next morning.

I watched live one particular guy threaten all the media around him, and when another protester confronted him about it he went after him too. It was live in the VICE stream last night.

It's why captain johnson has asked for protesters to demonstrate during the day, so that the young gang bangers and troublemakers can't hide among them late at night. Last night it seemed to have worked. There were some minor altercations but nothing major.

[Rust1d?]

I think this would be a wonderful opportunity to pause for a moment and give thanks for the great contributions of the Black community to our society. Their peaceful and generous nature make them ideal neighbors, lending testimony to their exceptional family values and parenting skills unrivaled by any other culture. Their commitment to academic excellence enriches our schools and serves as an example to all who hope to achieve prominence as a people. Real estate values are fueled by the mix of African Americans into an area due to their caring and respectful nature of these communities, an example of all they have achieved through their enthusiasm for self improvement by hard work and a self-reliant can-do nature. And we certainly must not forget their abhorrence for crime and their dedication to observing the law. Without their industrious and creative drive, we would be poorer as a nation.